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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MUEng92 on January 11, 2022, 06:01:28 AM
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It's early morning so sorry if this already discussed somewhere but the game tonight is all-access on FS1.
I love these games when they are other teams. Seeing Cooley mic'd up was when I started liking him. I've always been afraid of it being distracting if it was my team on the broadcast. I guess we'll see.
I will admit I have higher hopes of enjoying the commentary this year.
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Great line by Cooley when he was mic'd up against a Wojo team.....
"those guys think their d1cks will fall off if they play defense"
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Yes, they were promoting this during the Georgetown game. Almost makes me want to stay home tonight and watch the game on TV instead of trekking down to Fiserv.
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Great line by Cooley when he was mic'd up against a Wojo team.....
"those guys think their d1cks will fall off if they play defense"
Willie is excited to watch.
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Shaka should be more entertaining to listen to than Wojo telling the lads to compete and play hard....
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Orr play angry, hey?
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Yes, they were promoting this during the Georgetown game. Almost makes me want to stay home tonight and watch the game on TV instead of trekking down to Fiserv.
I'm going to the game but I set my DVR so I can go back to watch/listen. I generally don't do that but this sounds like it may be worth a listen.
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I'm going to the game but I set my DVR so I can go back to watch/listen. I generally don't do that but this sounds like it may be worth a listen.
I always do this. My wife thinks I’m crazy that I would watch the same game that I attended in person the following day.
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Remember so many times during miked up time outs that Wojo barked like a hoarse dog at the players. He didn't make any sense.
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Could a DePaul assistant be streaming FS1 from his phone in a bag near him with a bluetooth/wireless earpiece?
Or how about a fan behind the coaches bench with a phone with an assistant having a bluetooth earpiece synced to it.
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nolongerwarriors...you watching this one on mute?
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Could a DePaul assistant be streaming FS1 from his phone in a bag near him with a bluetooth/wireless earpiece?
So now we know why they hired Rob Judson?
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So now we know why they hired Rob Judson?
No worries. Shaka has petroglyph symbols drawn on his hand for secret cuddle codes. And his floor slaps signal a change up in defenses after baskets made. Rob thinks those mean "compete, compete, compete".
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Stubblefield yells the same word over and over.
Shaka drops the f-bombs a lot.
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I would pay a lot of money to always have this broadcast format. Even more to turn off the announcers and just hear Shaka
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I would pay a lot of money to always have this broadcast format. Even more to turn off the announcers and just hear Shaka
I'm the opposite, too much, both yelling at the same time is confusing. They should feature one coach and then the other.
This is like a sugar high.
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Can’t imagine hearing 8 timeouts worth of Wojo yelling “play harder” over and over.
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How many different ways could wojo come up with to say 'pass to Markus'
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Get over the Wojo references.
I really like the full timeout huddles and the halftime was great, but I do find most of the screaming that Shaka and Tony do during play to be pretty annoying. Sugar high is a good description of it. Something to get used to, I suppose.
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Timeouts and halftime are fine, but during the game is ridiculous.
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Over it.
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I can't imagine how stressful it would be if it was a super tight game, or how odd it might be if it was a total blowout.
I am definitely more drained than I normally am, and I can be pretty damn caught up in every play.
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Stubblefield makes Wojo's huddles look like PhD classes.
DEFEND!!! YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY!!!! STEP UP!!!! TOUGHNESS!!!!
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Stubblefield makes Wojo's huddles look like PhD classes.
DEFEND!!! YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY!!!! STEP UP!!!! TOUGHNESS!!!!
BLUE!!!!!
BLUE BLUE!!!!!!
BLACK!!!
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Stubblefield makes this borderline unwatchable
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Stubblefield makes this borderline unwatchable
I have no idea who DePaul has recruitment commits from, but if they are watching him in action tonight, they may want to reconsider.
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You gotta play hard, aina?
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I sure hope that some recruits (especially from Chicago) are watching this game. It does give an insight in each coach. And Shaka shines compared to Stubblefield.
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YOU GUYS HAVE TO PLAY HARD! REAL! HARD!
I WILL WRITE TOUGHNESS ON THIS WHITEBOARD AND POINT TO IT!!!
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I have no idea who DePaul has recruitment commits from, but if they are watching him in action tonight, they may want to reconsider.
Jinx!
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Eye'd put Stubblefield write up der wit Woj on da coach's wall of shame, hey?
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BLUE BLUE!!!!!!
Not blue blue. Regular blue.
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Not blue blue. Regular blue.
Which I actually figured out pretty quickly. It was funny though.
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Yes, hated this broadcast, as did many friends who called specifically to comment on it.
Stubblefield makes this borderline unwatchable
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What ever, Wojo sucked at coaching for 7 years, we have at least half that time for mocking references...
Get over the Wojo references.
I really like the full timeout huddles and the halftime was great, but I do find most of the screaming that Shaka and Tony do during play to be pretty annoying. Sugar high is a good description of it. Something to get used to, I suppose.
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I’m in the minority, I guess. I loved it.
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Wow, Stubblefield just berating his team in the locker room. After falling 0-5, after cutting the lead from 19 to 11 in the last few minutes. After totally dominating the boards.
That's got to turn off some players.
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I am pretty sure I could have done this post game talk in DePaul's locker room.
Then they turn over to Marquette dancing around.
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Wow, Stubblefield just berating his team in the locker room. After falling 0-5, after cutting the lead from 19 to 11 in the last few minutes. After totally dominating the boards.
That's got to turn off some players.
I agree .. DePaul's coach was a jerk to his team on multiple occasions. It's hard to figure why a player would respond positively to that kind of negativity.
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I am pretty sure I could have done this post game talk in DePaul's locker room.
Then they turn over to Marquette dancing around.
I laughed out loud when they transitioned from Stubblefield complaining about game stats over to MU’s locker room to show them dancing. That could not have been scripted better if it was a movie.
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Eye'd put Stubblefield write up der wit Woj on da coach's wall of shame, hey?
I agree with this analysis
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DePaul's game recap
(https://c.tenor.com/ngDEMNE-_ocAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif)
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DePaul's game recap
(https://c.tenor.com/ngDEMNE-_ocAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif)
Tobias. Outstanding.
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I agree .. DePaul's coach was a jerk to his team on multiple occasions. It's hard to figure why a player would respond positively to that kind of negativity.
I have no problem with what he said. It was straight up stats. He was stating all game they needed to play defense. They didnt. When a team shoots 55% from two and 45% from 3 you aren’t going to win. Their second chance points kept them in it but that faltered which is how we blew it open. He is trying to build a level of understanding for next time.
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Shaka kept telling the guys to rebound but no one did. 20 Offensive rebounds to 5 will definitely bite us in the ass
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I have no problem with what he said. It was straight up stats. He was stating all game they needed to play defense. They didnt. When a team shoots 55% from two and 45% from 3 you aren’t going to win. Their second chance points kept them in it but that faltered which is how we blew it open. He is trying to build a level of understanding for next time.
I'm glad I don't work for you. When I'm down, I want to be reminded of my strengths, and be encouraged to work on them. To be reminded that this is a process, and the details matter. I want to hear that we are all in it together, and we need to stay together to make the changes that will improve us.
Of course, maybe Stubblefield said all that before the cameras were on.
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I have no problem with what he said. It was straight up stats. He was stating all game they needed to play defense. They didnt. When a team shoots 55% from two and 45% from 3 you aren’t going to win. Their second chance points kept them in it but that faltered which is how we blew it open. He is trying to build a level of understanding for next time.
How is just stating stats "building a level of understanding?"
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How is just stating stats "building a level of understanding?"
If you have watched DePaul over years and this year they are notorious for not playing defense and spending all of their energy on offense.
If you watch what he was saying all game he was imploring his team to play defense. At halftime he was saying they were on pace for a 100point game. He was telling them MU was drive, layup or drive to kick out three, and he asked repeatedly to take a charge. He use those stats as a metric for lack of defense then as a sign they needed more energy on defense. I don’t think they had one all game.
In the locker room, he reiterated if you don’t want this outcome (a loss) you need to play defense. You need to be better. Until they commit to that end they will see the same result. He was reminding his team with those stats they needed to commit to being better. He didn’t call a single player out by name.
That was the lesson.
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DePaul's game recap
(https://c.tenor.com/ngDEMNE-_ocAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif)
Lol texted that to my friends during the game
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I'm glad I don't work for you. When I'm down, I want to be reminded of my strengths, and be encouraged to work on them. To be reminded that this is a process, and the details matter. I want to hear that we are all in it together, and we need to stay together to make the changes that will improve us.
Of course, maybe Stubblefield said all that before the cameras were on.
I like to only be told I make good posts and am an amazing boss.
If you aren’t searching out how you can be better, metric yourself, drive to the desired outcome, or use the metrics to improve yourself then no you will never work for me but maybe the guy who works for the guy who works for the guy who works for me. Will get you a stapler for holidays.
These guys want to win. After you have told them they need to play defense to win you don’t say you did good on offense so let’s continue to improve there. No you reiterate the importance of a team metric teach that there are two sides to the game. No individual player was called to carpet.
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You and I agree on the message, of that I’m sure. The snippet (I hope it was only part of what Coach said) focused on the negative. Of which there were many, including probably not listening to Coach’s advice and instruction before and during this game. And he was right to be pushing them during them game.
I still think that when guys are down right after a game, you don’t kick them, especially as a leader. You encourage them. You point out how WE can improve and you say we’ve got another game coming up. You help them get over this performance to be ready for the next one.
How you say something can be as or more important than what you say.
Again, Stubblefield may have done all I refer to before or after the snippet that was shown.
All that said, I could use a new stapler. Do the folks that “work for the guy who works for the guy who works for the guy who work for you” get a hand-held or table-top stapler? That matters to me.
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Staplers no matta, aina?
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"We were in the game but we let it get away, and I think we all can agree we have a lot to work on. But we did some good things tonight, too. We'll build from those and clean up the other stuff, and we'll get there. We'll start getting better tomorrow at practice."
That should have been Stubblefield's entire locker-room speech. Most coaches know that the very worst time to try to make any significant points to a team is right after a game.
Several Scoopers made a good point of this whole mic'd up deal being akin to a darn good recruiting tape for Shaka Smart.
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"We were in the game but we let it get away, and I think we all can agree we have a lot to work on. But we did some good things tonight, too. We'll build from those and clean up the other stuff, and we'll get there. We'll start getting better tomorrow at practice."
That should have been Stubblefield's entire locker-room speech. Most coaches know that the very worst time to try to make any significant points to a team is right after a game.
Several Scoopers made a good point of this whole mic'd up deal being akin to a darn good recruiting tape for Shaka Smart.
Spot on. And would add ”you guys should talk with each about what is working and what we can do better. You can be sure that I’ll continue to harp on things and developing new ideas, but it comes down to US stepping up as a team”
I bet coaches will totally turn away from All-Access, especially if they are a losing team like DePaul.
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Hands down, the best part of the special coverage of the game:
https://twitter.com/MarquetteRob24/status/1481089129790283784
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Hands down, the best part of the special coverage of the game:
https://twitter.com/MarquetteRob24/status/1481089129790283784
Agree 1,000%!!
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You and I agree on the message, of that I’m sure. The snippet (I hope it was only part of what Coach said) focused on the negative. Of which there were many, including probably not listening to Coach’s advice and instruction before and during this game. And he was right to be pushing them during them game.
I still think that when guys are down right after a game, you don’t kick them, especially as a leader. You encourage them. You point out how WE can improve and you say we’ve got another game coming up. You help them get over this performance to be ready for the next one.
How you say something can be as or more important than what you say.
Again, Stubblefield may have done all I refer to before or after the snippet that was shown.
All that said, I could use a new stapler. Do the folks that “work for the guy who works for the guy who works for the guy who work for you” get a hand-held or table-top stapler? That matters to me.
the negative is they lost.
Just as important to how you say is when you say it. Sometimes when someone is down you point to the feeling and give just enough so that the next day in practice you can reiterate if you want to avoid that feeling in the future play defense. Earlier he said they had been there before against Nova. They lost because they didn’t play defense. They didn’t play defense and they lost again. He was using shooting % to reiterate his point. The theme carried out the entire game.
He didn’t call out an individual but spoke to all. I am sure he will call out their positives in the film room but you want the feeling to be associated with the outcome and you want them to then pay attention during practice ie what does pride in my defense mean and what wasn’t I doing.
Your deliver on a desired outcome you can pick your stapler and I would get it for you.
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the negative is they lost.
Just as important to how you say is when you say it. Sometimes when someone is down you point to the feeling and give just enough so that the next day in practice you can reiterate if you want to avoid that feeling in the future play defense. Earlier he said they had been there before against Nova. They lost because they didn’t play defense. They didn’t play defense and they lost again. He was using shooting % to reiterate his point. The theme carried out the entire game.
He didn’t call out an individual but spoke to all. I am sure he will call out their positives in the film room but you want the feeling to be associated with the outcome and you want them to then pay attention during practice ie what does pride in my defense mean and what wasn’t I doing.
Your deliver on a desired outcome you can pick your stapler and I would get it for you.
Good points. I’m heading to bed and so will leave any final comments to you, after I note that Shaka was aware of the camera in the post-game locker room (I don’t recall his specific comment but it came just after the MU guys were dancing and he acknowledged that it was awkward). Stubblefield was not aware of the optics, or didn’t temper his message to the situation. Or, he did, which leaves a big concern about him.
Bottom line for me: Shaka did ok being mic’d. Stubblefield looked out of his league.
My desired outcome is that Marquette goes 2-0 over DePaul this season (that seems the most “related” outcome to this thread), and I would like a table top stapler. But, don’t worry, I won’t hold you to it. I’d rather the exchange ends with bedtime.
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If you have watched DePaul over years and this year they are notorious for not playing defense and spending all of their energy on offense.
If you watch what he was saying all game he was imploring his team to play defense. At halftime he was saying they were on pace for a 100point game. He was telling them MU was drive, layup or drive to kick out three, and he asked repeatedly to take a charge. He use those stats as a metric for lack of defense then as a sign they needed more energy on defense. I don’t think they had one all game.
In the locker room, he reiterated if you don’t want this outcome (a loss) you need to play defense. You need to be better. Until they commit to that end they will see the same result. He was reminding his team with those stats they needed to commit to being better. He didn’t call a single player out by name.
That was the lesson.
They did take a charge early to O Max.
But just repeatedly telling people they have to play better defense isn’t really a way to get them to play better defense.
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I have no problem with what he said. It was straight up stats. He was stating all game they needed to play defense. They didnt. When a team shoots 55% from two and 45% from 3 you aren’t going to win. Their second chance points kept them in it but that faltered which is how we blew it open. He is trying to build a level of understanding for next time.
Pretty sure the kids know the stats, know they didn't defend well .. they need to know HOW to fix it, and the coach was spouting berating nonsense about defending harder.
This is the same horse hockey the FS1 announcers were saying, that Stubblefield's coach speak was somehow "building" to something.
The announcers were trying to help Stubblefield out, knowing how awful his performance was, spinning that he wasn't demoralizing, he was "building."
Yeah, they are building to a 4-16 BE record, that's what they're building to.
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Yeah, they are building to a 4-16 BE record, that's what they're building to.
So they're building to be better than usual?
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Pretty sure the kids know the stats, know they didn't defend well .. they need to know HOW to fix it, and the coach was spouting berating nonsense about defending harder.
This is the same horse hockey the FS1 announcers were saying, that Stubblefield's coach speak was somehow "building" to something.
The announcers were trying to help Stubblefield out, knowing how awful his performance was, spinning that he wasn't demoralizing, he was "building."
Yeah, they are building to a 4-16 BE record, that's what they're building to.
Oh I don't know. When my kid was struggling with math, I would just say to him "you gotta get better at math." Then POOF! All of the sudden he was!
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So they're building to be better than usual?
No way they are going to build back better. Manchin is against it.
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I liked Coach telling the players in one sentence about a defensive adjustment they were going to make, the players executing it, and it leading to an immediate turnover.
The players and the coach understand each other. And Osa is really smart and really versatile.
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He didn’t call out an individual but spoke to all.
There actually were two occasions where Stubblefield did call out an individual.
I am not saying this is "wrong" to do, in and of itself. But both times he did it, he didn't really give the player any instruction. Just "you gotta do better" type stuff.
Just about the entire thing was a massive fail for Stubblefield, especially everything from the start of the second half on, and it can serve as an anti-DePaul recruiting tape for any coach pursuing the same prospects Stubblefield is.
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There actually were two occasions where Stubblefield did call out an individual.
I am not saying this is "wrong" to do, in and of itself. But both times he did it, he didn't really give the player any instruction. Just "you gotta do better" type stuff.
Just about the entire thing was a massive fail for Stubblefield, especially everything from the start of the second half on, and it can serve as an anti-DePaul recruiting tape for any coach pursuing the same prospects Stubblefield is.
Yes did it in the cuddle like 3 times, he sounded like a mad old dad.
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Yes did it in the cuddle like 3 times, he sounded like a mad old dad.
Isn't that a Title IX violation?
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Are we sure he wasn't giving coded instructions when he was shouting "blue" over and over?
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Are we sure he wasn't giving coded instructions when he was shouting "blue" over and over?
Blue plays matter?
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This experiment seemed like a positive outcome for Marquette--not only in how Shaka conducted himself, but how players like Kolek spoke up and showed leadership as well.
On the other side of the floor, hearing Stubblefield do little more than yell "BLUE!" didn't do much for changing the perception that DePaul is headed for another bottom seed in the Big East tournament.
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Isn't that a Title IX violation?
;D
TAMU is the one who can answer that
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DePaul Blue is just past tense for DePaul sucks.
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Isn't that a Title IX violation?
You know we joke, but I've always wondered what would happen if my office got a report along the lines of...."I have witnessed X athletic coach touch the butts of multiple student athletes on multiple occasions. As their coach there is an inherent power differential and them touching a private body part constitutes sexual harassment". I have an idea of how it would be handled but it would make the university lawyers sweat a bit
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Oh I don't know. When my kid was struggling with math, I would just say to him "you gotta get better at math." Then POOF! All of the sudden he was!
Shortcut: Next time, write the word "MATH!" on a whiteboard and point to it for him.
He'll know you mean business when you write it down. Also, the pointing to it is a crucial step some rookie coaches miss.
Bonus tip: More exclamation points.
You're welcome.
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While I would like nothing more to conclude that we landed a winner, and DePaul's guy is nothing more than Wojo 2.0, in fairness, I think there are a few mitigating factors in this Shaka vs. Stubblefield game mic comparison:
1. My guess is that our observations about both coaches would be significantly different if the results were reversed. DePaul lost, in large measure based on the effort of the players, so their coach called them out on it. My guess is that Shaka wouldn't have sounded too much different if we lost due to our own lackluster defensive intensity or failure to execute on offense.
2. Having sat close to Bob Huggins in his heyday, Stubblefield didn't come anywhere close to the abuse that Huggins dished out to his players. I don't know if Huggy Bear has mellowed with age, but he's certainly had enough long-term success recruiting players who tend to perform at a high level to suggest that a verbally abusive courtside (or locker room) demeanor is in general a turnoff for players.
3. Taking actual game commentary out of context of what happens in practice, pre-game walkarounds, tape review, etc. doesn't give you the full context of coaching that takes place. Stubblefield's game commentary might be limited to a "play harder" or "take a charge" while the more detailed coaching took place outside the game.
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Just about the entire thing was a massive fail for Stubblefield, especially everything from the start of the second half on, and it can serve as an anti-DePaul recruiting tape for any coach pursuing the same prospects Stubblefield is.
Everything about it made me glad we have Shaka and not Stubblefield. The thing I felt was worst was that he keep imploring them to "play harder". From my point of view effort was not DePaul's problem. They got 20 offensive rebounds for God's sake and that is mostly effort. Those guys were flying around on offense. The problem was not effort but that they seemed to have no plan. Almost like they never practiced together. No one seemed to be in charge of running the plays. It all seemed like "lets just get the ball to Liberty and hope something good happens".
I really love our offense under Shaka in which the PG drives to create and the the other 4 move to give him options. The interior passing is a thing of beauty. Sometimes they over do it on the passing but I'd mush rather have that than Wojo's give your best guy the ball and don't get in his way.
Great to have a coach you can be proud to Mic up.
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3. Taking actual game commentary out of context of what happens in practice, pre-game walkarounds, tape review, etc. doesn't give you the full context of coaching that takes place. Stubblefield's game commentary might be limited to a "play harder" or "take a charge" while the more detailed coaching took place outside the game.
WTH, what are you going to say next, reality TV isn't an accurate portrayal of reality?????? ;D
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I went to the game, and I've only watched the 1st half of the broadcast so far, but I found Stubblefield's constant barking to be exhausting from my couch. It just wore me down. On the other hand, Shaka's chatter was almost always "must hear" programming. A few times I got annoyed that the announcers were gabbing over Shaka, especially one time when a ref was explaining something to him.
If I were a basketball coach I would watch and listen to Shaka throughout the game and during the timeouts/halftime/postgame like this was a coaching clinic. I think he's doing a fantastic job with these guys, and he really comes across as a guy who has a plan and is executing it.
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Everything about it made me glad we have Shaka and not Stubblefield. The thing I felt was worst was that he keep imploring them to "play harder". From my point of view effort was not DePaul's problem. They got 20 offensive rebounds for God's sake and that is mostly effort. Those guys were flying around on offense. The problem was not effort but that they seemed to have no plan. Almost like they never practiced together. No one seemed to be in charge of running the plays. It all seemed like "lets just get the ball to Liberty and hope something good happens".
I really love our offense under Shaka in which the PG drives to create and the the other 4 move to give him options. The interior passing is a thing of beauty. Sometimes they over do it on the passing but I'd mush rather have that than Wojo's give your best guy the ball and don't get in his way.
Great to have a coach you can be proud to Mic up.
Agree on all of this but especially your first point. Effort wasn’t their issue. I thought DePaul played way harder than us in the first half. We matched their intensity in the second half and are the better team so we were able to pull away.
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Shortcut: Next time, write the word "MATH!" on a whiteboard and point to it for him.
He'll know you mean business when you write it down. Also, the pointing to it is a crucial step some rookie coaches miss.
Bonus tip: More exclamation points.
You're welcome.
Math Math or Regular Math?
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Blue math
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Blue math
Nope Blue Blue math, much harder.
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I always do this. My wife thinks I’m crazy that I would watch the same game that I attended in person the following day.
Watching the game the following day with a good egg sandwich is always the best.