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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Mr. Nielsen on December 29, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2021/12/29/fiserv-forum-require-masks-milwaukee-bucks-marquette-basketball-games-other-events/9045030002/
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Might as well require good luck bracelets & lucky rabbits feet. Smh
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Good News! :) :)
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Might as well require good luck bracelets & lucky rabbits feet. Smh
#endoftimes
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Good decision by Fiserv.
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MU went from N7 on 11/30 to N95 on 1/1 smh
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As long as we do not have games restricted to cardboard "fans", this is a very minor inconvenience for those of you who hate mask requirements.
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I'm going to be the guy that munches on popcorn all game to avoid having the mask over my face. Or are they banning food and drink from the seating bowl now?
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I'm going to be the guy that munches on popcorn all game to avoid having the mask over my face. Or are they banning food and drink from the seating bowl now?
They may as well with the awful ordering system for concessions.
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Not surprised. Compliance and enforcement will operate at peak efficiency.
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Another decision the Bucks ownership feels they need to make for us 🙄.
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Another decision the Bucks ownership feels they need to make for us 🙄.
Their building, their rules.
Be happy that they haven't cancelled all games yet.
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Unfortunately, we’re stuck with them. Don’t have to be happy about it though.
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Unfortunately, we’re stuck with them. Don’t have to be happy about it though.
Restaurants, bars and other entertainment venues are temporarily closing right now in the greater Milwaukee area. I hope wearing a mask at a venue still open won’t ruin your life or financia well-being.
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Yeah its such a shame to be stuck with an ownership group that not only built an NBA champion, but also cares about our heath.
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I'm going to be the guy that munches on popcorn all game to avoid having the mask over my face. Or are they banning food and drink from the seating bowl now?
This guy wants more cancelations rather than mild inconvenience
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Also, in before the lock
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Might as well require good luck bracelets & lucky rabbits feet. Smh
ban dis guy ^^^^
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Unfortunately there are too many irresponsible people out there to let us get over this thing. So mask mandates, vaccine passports, etc. are needed to look out for the irresponsible people. Would it be nice to get past these things? Of course. Will we soon? No way.
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It’s indeed the unlearned morons who are preventing the pandemic from petering out.
So it’s time policies—public and private—stop trying to protect the people who are too imbecilic to protect themselves. Insurance (health and life, to name two) should skyrocket for the unvaccinated so the rest of us don’t have to foot the bill when they take up precious ICU space. Because those most vulnerable to serious complications are the ones least likely to comply with mandates anyway, it’s time to let Darwinism play itself out as it will.
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It’s indeed the unlearned morons who are preventing the pandemic from petering out.
So it’s time policies—public and private—stop trying to protect the people who are too imbecilic to protect themselves. Insurance (health and life, to name two) should skyrocket for the unvaccinated so the rest of us don’t have to foot the bill when they take up precious ICU space. Because those most vulnerable to serious complications are the ones least likely to comply with mandates anyway, it’s time to let Darwinism play itself out as it will.
We have to have policies to protect those who won't protect themselves mostly due to the overwhelmed state of the health care system.
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We have to have policies to protect those who won't protect themselves mostly due to the overwhelmed state of the health care system.
I know, but the awful truth is that it comes at the expense of those who are actually responsible. I visited a friend—vaccinated and compliant—going through cancer treatment at a world-famous hospital, and he couldn’t get a room because of COVID patients. He had a makeshift area in the PICU (which is not even designed for what he has). While you can’t turn people away, you can certainly de-prioritize their care if they don’t prioritize their own health in such basic ways.
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I know, but the awful truth is that it comes at the expense of those who are actually responsible. I visited a friend—vaccinated and compliant—going through cancer treatment at a world-famous hospital, and he couldn’t get a room because of COVID patients. He had a makeshift area in the PICU (which is not even designed for what he has). While you can’t turn people away, you can certainly de-prioritize their care if they don’t prioritize their own health in such basic ways.
This is terrible to hear.
Unfortunately, as evidence by certain scoopers, they don’t give a sheet.
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My Uncle is a Vietnam Vet who lives at the VA. He has not been able to leave since March of 2020 (edit, sorry MU8891, I had a typo). He had a 3 week window this summer where he could review visitors (1 person for 1 hour, once per week). That policy was quickly rescinded due to Delta.
His access to family holiday gatherings / MU games / or simply walking into a Culver's is dictated by external indexes like cases / positivity rates / hospitalizations, etc. All things completely out of his control. He has seen 2 family members in 21 months. He has missed countless holidays and birthdays. We FaceTimed with him on Christmas (a first bc he has no technology, a loving nurse stepped in) and for the first time he saw his 1 year old grandniece and grandnephew. My heart broke as he said hello to them over FaceTime and remarked it was the first time he ever saw them. His time away from us is now longer than his tour in Vietnam.
When I hear someone bitch about wearing a mask for a few hours at a MU game, all I can say is go unnatural carnal knowledge yourself.
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We could wear 12 masks and it'd have jackshyte to do with that draconian policy at the VA. Especially if he's vaccinated, I'd direct some of that ire at them.
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I'd say a little fear mongering is going on considering all signs CURRENTLY point to omnicron being incredibly low deaths
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And incredibly contagious.
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And incredibly contagious.
So is the common cold. And that also mutates like crazy.
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They may as well with the awful ordering system for concessions.
Half of the stands looks closed. Order by an app. Weird.
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They may as well with the awful ordering system for concessions.
I've just gone straight up to vendors like normal
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We could wear 12 masks and it'd have jackshyte to do with that draconian policy at the VA. Especially if he's vaccinated, I'd direct some of that ire at them.
He’s double vaxxed and boosted and believe me I’ve been in constant contact with them and politicians who oversee the VA.
My point is ppl complaining about their liberties being stepped on bc it having to wear a mask rings really hollow.
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I know, but the awful truth is that it comes at the expense of those who are actually responsible. I visited a friend—vaccinated and compliant—going through cancer treatment at a world-famous hospital, and he couldn’t get a room because of COVID patients. He had a makeshift area in the PICU (which is not even designed for what he has). While you can’t turn people away, you can certainly de-prioritize their care if they don’t prioritize their own health in such basic ways.
Spoke with a friend/doctor who is on the advising board for Aurora today...they are being forced to close urgent care clinics and he had to have a stroke patient flighted across the lake today to MI because they couldn't find a bed for him. He said about 88% of those in the ICU for Covid are unvaccinated. Makes me so angry and sad...can only imagine what it's like for the guy's family.
So yeah...if wearing a mask at fiserv might lead to one extra bed being open I'm good with it. Beats the hell out of watching a friend tear up over the choices they are having to make in hospitals right now.
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Flying in from Den and going to the game this Saturday, I love the rule. I hope Vax card required for entry too but probably won't happen. Of course covid doesn't exist in most of Wisc so I should be good!
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Lens ... your post is dramatic and seems false or exaggerated
First ... Covid hit in March 2020 / not 19
Second... of course he could have seen people! ( you’re telling me he could not sit outside/ or travel over this past summer.... when cases were near zero) ???
I appreciate his service. Really
But what Fiserv is doing means nothing
And will not “ fix “ anything
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Flying in from Den and going to the game this Saturday, I love the rule. I hope Vax card required for entry too but probably won't happen. Of course covid doesn't exist in most of Wisc so I should be good!
Why not force vaccines and not need mask?
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Why not force vaccines and not need mask?
true. I wear one everyday at work, you kinda forget it's on, even though most are vaxxed. Not the new normal, it's just normal
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I'm going to be the guy that munches on popcorn all game to avoid having the mask over my face. Or are they banning food and drink from the seating bowl now?
Ya don't hafta wair a mask wen ur smokin' ether, hey?
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Cloth masks are worthless against Omicron per Dr Lena Wen on CNN yesterday and the pasted article. Will only N95 and KN95 masks be allowed? If not then the requirement is just virtue signaling.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/23/1066871176/mask-n95-omicron-contagious
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Cloth masks are worthless against Omicron per Dr Lena Wen on CNN yesterday and the pasted article. Will only N95 and KN95 masks be allowed? If not then the requirement is just virtue signaling.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/23/1066871176/mask-n95-omicron-contagious
Most have said this for months and well before Omicron, including Osterholm.
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Cloth masks are worthless against Omicron per Dr Lena Wen on CNN yesterday and the pasted article. Will only N95 and KN95 masks be allowed? If not then the requirement is just virtue signaling.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/23/1066871176/mask-n95-omicron-contagious
That’s good to know. I’ll wear one my N95 to Fiserv.
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Spoke with a friend/doctor who is on the advising board for Aurora today...they are being forced to close urgent care clinics and he had to have a stroke patient flighted across the lake today to MI because they couldn't find a bed for him. He said about 88% of those in the ICU for Covid are unvaccinated. Makes me so angry and sad...can only imagine what it's like for the guy's family.
So yeah...if wearing a mask at fiserv might lead to one extra bed being open I'm good with it. Beats the hell out of watching a friend tear up over the choices they are having to make in hospitals right now.
Triage the unvaccinated to the bottom of the list. Sorry no bed for you. Maybe next time, if there is a next time, you will make a better choice. In the meantime, if a bed opens up, we will be sure to give you a call.
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So is the common cold. And that also mutates like crazy.
So we are now back to comparing Covid to the common cold. ::)
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The common cold and the flu don’t overflow our hospitals. Which is the problem. We’ll eventually get to the point where it doesn’t. But people need to start taking some personal responsibility and show some concern for their neighbors to get there anytime soon. If we don’t (and we won’t, because…’Merica!) then we’ll be stuck in this for a while.
It’s embarrassing seeing children who wear their masks without any issues yet adults are too selfish and can’t “give up their freedoms.”
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The common cold and the flu don’t overflow our hospitals. Which is the problem. We’ll eventually get to the point where it doesn’t. But people need to start taking some personal responsibility and show some concern for their neighbors to get there anytime soon. If we don’t (and we won’t, because…’Merica!) then we’ll be stuck in this for a while.
It’s embarrassing seeing children who wear their masks without any issues yet adults are too selfish and can’t “give up their freedoms.”
What would Jesus do?
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But people need to start taking some personal responsibility and show some concern for their neighbors to get there anytime soon. If we don’t (and we won’t, because…’Merica!) then we’ll be stuck in this for a while.
Almost 80% of Americans have had at least one jab. Many, many of those stayed home, wore masks, made sacrifices. Hell, we were one of four families I know who had to can Christmas plans because of an exposure, and didn't want to put older/immunocompromised family members at risk.
But people need to *start* taking responsibility? We've been at this sh*t for 20 months and I don't blame anyone who is tired of constantly being told it's not enough.
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What would Jesus do?
Hate
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Almost 80% of Americans have had at least one jab. Many, many of those stayed home, wore masks, made sacrifices. Hell, we were one of four families I know who had to can Christmas plans because of an exposure, and didn't want to put older/immunocompromised family members at risk.
But people need to *start* taking responsibility? We've been at this sh*t for 20 months and I don't blame anyone who is tired of constantly being told it's not enough.
Folks like you aren’t the ones being asked to start taking responsibility.
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Almost 80% of Americans have had at least one jab. Many, many of those stayed home, wore masks, made sacrifices. Hell, we were one of four families I know who had to can Christmas plans because of an exposure, and didn't want to put older/immunocompromised family members at risk.
But people need to *start* taking responsibility? We've been at this sh*t for 20 months and I don't blame anyone who is tired of constantly being told it's not enough.
It's not enough.
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WEARING ANY MASK IS BETTER THAN NO MASK.
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So we are now back to comparing Covid to the common cold. ::)
Omnicron variant? Currently yes.
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WEARING ANY MASK IS BETTER THAN NO MASK.
If Scoop can wear tinfoil hats for 100% of the year, it can wear a mask for a prolonged period of time during a basketball game.
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The common cold and the flu don’t overflow our hospitals. Which is the problem. We’ll eventually get to the point where it doesn’t. But people need to start taking some personal responsibility and show some concern for their neighbors to get there anytime soon. If we don’t (and we won’t, because…’Merica!) then we’ll be stuck in this for a while.
It’s embarrassing seeing children who wear their masks without any issues yet adults are too selfish and can’t “give up their freedoms.”
Cdc released their findings today. The omnicron variant is not the one flooding hospitals. Delta is, which the vaccine is effective against. If you haven't had a vaccine, then that's your fault.
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Cdc released their findings today. The omnicron variant is not the one flooding hospitals. Delta is, which the vaccine is effective against. If you haven't had a vaccine, then that's your fault.
The omicron variant has hardly been here. Let's see what happens in the coming weeks.
I am hardly calling for a shut down of society, but taking reasonable precautions like mask wearing, makes a lot of sense to me.
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I'll be curious to see how strictly it is enforced. I was at a high school basketball game on Tuesday, at Concordia University in Mequon, the Rick Majerus WBY Shootout, they had signs posted on the doors saying masks were required, but when you got inside, hardly anyone was wearing a mask.
I can remember the same thing at a Brewers game early in the season, masks were required, but very few were actually wearing one.
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Hospital overcapacity is getting to be a huge problem in certain areas. But if people are not vaccinated by now, I'm not sure it will ever happen. Maybe the pills will be a game changer or other therapeutics but I don't see mandates having much of an impact frankly. It's also quite possible vaccines will have to be tweaked constantly and boosters necessary every year or twice a year. Sadly the impact of Omicron is that people that aren't vaccinated are less likely to get vaccinated.
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So is the common cold. And that also mutates like crazy.
A friend's sister and family were going to fly in from the DC area for Christmas but had to cancel because she (the sis) had COVID. Her symptoms were like a minor flu with fatigue and headache. Then one of her son's got it and it was like a minor cold. Then the dad got it and it was an even less severe cold.
It's hilarious that anyone thinks this COVID Theater at Fiserv accomplishes anything. The cheap cloth masks do nothing. If they want to mandate the real things, it could make a difference.
And it's even more hilarious to see Biden outside at the beach in Delaware with a mask on, lol, while his wife doesn't have one on and he doesn't wear it often inside. The mixed messaging makes smart people realize there's a lot of BS being flung.
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Cloth masks are worthless against Omicron per Dr Lena Wen on CNN yesterday and the pasted article. Will only N95 and KN95 masks be allowed? If not then the requirement is just virtue signaling.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/23/1066871176/mask-n95-omicron-contagious
Policies to make idiots feel good, that’s where we’re at. Pathetic. This is the second biggest f@ck up if the Bucks this year, only bested by them sh1tting on our court.
#MaskUp
#RollDice
#BeDumb
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A friend's sister and family were going to fly in from the DC area for Christmas but had to cancel because she (the sis) had COVID. Her symptoms were like a minor flu with fatigue and headache. Then one of her son's got it and it was like a minor cold. Then the dad got it and it was an even less severe cold.
HOLY SH*T REALLY! Obviously this means Covid isn’t really a thing!!! I mean if your friend’s sister and her two family members had it and it wasn’t all that serious, then those people in the hospitals must be faking it or something!!!
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Cloth masks are worthless against Omicron per Dr Lena Wen on CNN yesterday and the pasted article. Will only N95 and KN95 masks be allowed? If not then the requirement is just virtue signaling.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/23/1066871176/mask-n95-omicron-contagious
Billy,
For the love of God, please read the articles you quote before claiming what they say. Nowhere in this article does it say "cloth masks are worthless" as you claim. Here's what it actually says:
True, a cloth mask can be a "marginally OK to maybe a decent filter," Marr says. But with something as highly transmissible as omicron, just "OK" isn't good enough.
We are all aware that cloth masks aren't as effective as N95s. That doesn't make them worthless. We can't supply everyone with N95s but we can give everyone cloth masks. They won't stop it from transmitting a 100% but they do help mitigate it.
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Triage the unvaccinated to the bottom of the list. Sorry no bed for you. Maybe next time, if there is a next time, you will make a better choice. In the meantime, if a bed opens up, we will be sure to give you a call.
I would support this.
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I maintain Operation Dart Gun should go into effect. Everyone in public gets shot by roving bands of snipers armed with vaccine loaded dart guns. If you haven't been vaccinated, congrats, you've got one dose. If you have, no worries, a booster can't hurt.
So many people in this country seem willing to cosplay Wild West posse, let's get after it and do some good, no?
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Another decision the Bucks ownership feels they need to make for us 🙄.
Are those jerks still requiring pants? The outrage! I demand freedom for my naked butt to sit in a seat.
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Cdc released their findings today. The omnicron variant is not the one flooding hospitals. Delta is, which the vaccine is effective against. If you haven't had a vaccine, then that's your fault.
Thanks for pointing out it isn’t like the common cold and masks are still required since Delta is still rampant.
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No one cares, but I'm considering skipping the next few games. I could really care less about getting COVID. Even with a previous heart condition, I'm fully vaxxed and boosted and for someone like me, the symptoms will probably be pretty mild. I am afraid that I would pick it up in a large crowd and miss work. Our hospitals are at capacity and I need to be there for my co-workers. The Fiserv rule does make me comfortable in attending games.
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Below are the current protocols for all NBA teams. The majority require masks.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportstravelmagazine.com/covid-protocols-that-fans-can-expect-at-each-nba-arena-vaccine-coronavirus-mandat%3Ftemplate%3Damp
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It's hilarious that anyone thinks this COVID Theater at Fiserv accomplishes anything. The cheap cloth masks do nothing.
Good thing for you that you hate Marquette basketball, so you won’t even be tempted to go near the COVID Theater at Fiserv.
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No one cares, but I'm considering skipping the next few games. I could really care less about getting COVID. Even with a previous heart condition, I'm fully vaxxed and boosted and for someone like me, the symptoms will probably be pretty mild. I am afraid that I would pick it up in a large crowd and miss work. Our hospitals are at capacity and I need to be there for my co-workers. The Fiserv rule does make me comfortable in attending games.
I am skipping my next game. We can't afford to get it as we're seeing immunocompromised family a week after to care for them post-surgery.
It's such a cluster. Shame people don't understand the social contract
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Are those jerks still requiring pants? The outrage! I demand freedom for my naked butt to sit in a seat.
Thank God you dropped those 75 lbs - your naked butt can now easily fit in one.
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Thanks for pointing out it isn’t like the common cold and masks are still required since Delta is still rampant.
Sure, so why weren't we masking at the start of the season?
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Surprise, nolonger is a dumb ass on multiple topics…
HOLY SH*T REALLY! Obviously this means Covid isn’t really a thing!!! I mean if your friend’s sister and her two family members had it and it wasn’t all that serious, then those people in the hospitals must be faking it or something!!!
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WEARING ANY MASK IS BETTER THAN NO MASK.
No kidding.
Someone said this in another thread but it's a point I hadn't considered before. I am so glad that seat belt laws are already in place. Can you imagine the comments if we tried to pass that in today's day and age? "Well a doctor in this article said that you could wear a seat belt and still die in a car accident. That means seat belts are useless!"
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So stupid. If you want to wear a mask, do it. If you want to stay home, great. Forcing people to wear a mask for no demonstrable benefit and without regard for their “status”… awful. #LastDays. (Ps if it’s that important then allow no fans and/or lose the concessions).
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Billy,
For the love of God, please read the articles you quote before claiming what they say. Nowhere in this article does it say "cloth masks are worthless" as you claim. Here's what it actually says:
We are all aware that cloth masks aren't as effective as N95s. That doesn't make them worthless. We can't supply everyone with N95s but we can give everyone cloth masks. They won't stop it from transmitting a 100% but they do help mitigate it.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html
Ok, Dr. TAMU:
Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.
"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.
[/i]“We need to be promoting better high-quality masks everywhere, because right now a single-layer cloth mask just isn't cutting it against Omicron," said former US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams. [/i]
We need to follow the lead of other nations like Austria who require real masks in public if we want to really stop this. They barely let the unvaccinated out in public.
Other countries, including Germany and Austria, have "switched their standard to say that a face covering in public must be at least a medical-grade surgical mask" in certain settings, she added.
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So stupid. If you want to wear a mask, do it. If you want to stay home, great. Forcing people to wear a mask for no demonstrable benefit and without regard for their “status”… awful. #LastDays. (Ps if it’s that important then allow no fans and/or lose the concessions).
This is true, if you ignore study after study that show the benefits.
#dumb
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It’s snowing in here
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So stupid. If you want to wear a mask, do it. If you want to stay home, great. Forcing people to wear a mask for no demonstrable benefit and without regard for their “status”… awful. #LastDays. (Ps if it’s that important then allow no fans and/or lose the concessions).
Nah man, concessions make money. Can't do that. But, remember to pull your mask down while smoking. Money talks and bullchit walks. Tax dollars workin' for da man, hey?
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html
Ok, Dr. TAMU:
Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.
"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.
[/i]“We need to be promoting better high-quality masks everywhere, because right now a single-layer cloth mask just isn't cutting it against Omicron," said former US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams. [/i]
We need to follow the lead of other nations like Austria who require real masks in public if we want to really stop this. They barely let the unvaccinated out in public.
Other countries, including Germany and Austria, have "switched their standard to say that a face covering in public must be at least a medical-grade surgical mask" in certain settings, she added.
Again Billy, this article doesn't say cloth makes are useless like you claim. It says they aren't as effective as surgical grade masks and is advocating for stricter mask mandates not getting rid of mask mandates.
If your argument is the Bucks aren't doing enough and should require surgical grade masks, then this article supports that. What it doesn't support is that there should be no mask mandate
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Nah man, concessions make money. Can't do that. But, remember to pull your mask down while smoking. Money talks and bullchit walks. Tax dollars workin' for da man, hey?
You need to get laid
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So stupid. If you want to wear a mask, do it. If you want to stay home, great. Forcing people to wear a mask for no demonstrable benefit and without regard for their “status”… awful. #LastDays. (Ps if it’s that important then allow no fans and/or lose the concessions).
Conversely, you can just stay the f*ck home if you don't want to wear a mask.
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Again Billy, this article doesn't say cloth makes are useless like you claim. It says they aren't as effective as surgical grade masks and is advocating for stricter mask mandates not getting rid of mask mandates.
If your argument is the Bucks aren't doing enough and should require surgical grade masks, then this article supports that. What it doesn't support is that there should be no mask mandate
Are you saying he posted a link without actually reading it??? Wow. Reminds me of someone else...
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Again Billy, this article doesn't say cloth makes are useless like you claim. It says they aren't as effective as surgical grade masks and is advocating for stricter mask mandates not getting rid of mask mandates.
If your argument is the Bucks aren't doing enough and should require surgical grade masks, then this article supports that. What it doesn't support is that there should be no mask mandate
Studies have shown that if two people in close proximity are wearing masks -- even cloth masks -- and one of them has Covid, there is very little likelihood of the virus passing to the other person. The percentage rises significantly if only one of the two is wearing a mask, and rises even more significantly if neither is wearing a mask.
The situation moves beyond "it's my choice, and I'm willing to take a risk" when a mask-less person becomes infected, doesn't know it, and then spreads the disease to somebody else; or when a mask-less person becomes infected and needs hospitalization, thereby depriving a non-Covid patient of an ICU bed and/or time with medical personnel.
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C'mon man, schmatas don't protect chit, hey?
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I hope people are telling their dentists and surgeons that they can take their masks off while treating them. No need for masks.
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Cloth masks are worthless against Omicron per Dr Lena Wen on CNN yesterday and the pasted article. Will only N95 and KN95 masks be allowed? If not then the requirement is just virtue signaling.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/23/1066871176/mask-n95-omicron-contagious
Even the article you cite does not say cloth masks are “worthless”. It says they are “OK” but that OK might not be good enough.
If I’m wearing an N95 I would still like the people near me to be wearing some mask.
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C'mon man, schmatas don't protect chit, hey?
I had my teeth cleaned a couple of months back. No need to go back ever again.
Or,
I had a cleaning once and it didn't last. It is all a scam.
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Lens ... your post is dramatic and seems false or exaggerated
First ... Covid hit in March 2020 / not 19
Second... of course he could have seen people! ( you’re telling me he could not sit outside/ or travel over this past summer.... when cases were near zero) ???
I appreciate his service. Really
But what Fiserv is doing means nothing
And will not “ fix “ anything
Fixed the typo. March 2020.
VA policy was non residents had to stay 50 feet away if we met him outside. He could stand outside his lobby and we could be off in the distance in the parking lot. He was never allowed to travel even over the summer. He was allowed to walk by himself on VA grounds, that is the extent of his "leaving" since 2020. I am not exaggerating or embellishing. Those are the realities.
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Are those jerks still requiring pants? The outrage! I demand freedom for my naked butt to sit in a seat.
Thanks for that visual.... ::)
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I had my teeth cleaned a couple of months back. No need to go back ever again.
Or,
I had a cleaning once and it didn't last. It is all a scam.
🤯
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You need to get laid
Carty or Petrocelli, hey?
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Conversely, you can just stay the f*ck home if you don't want to wear a mask.
The guy doesn't even live in Milwaukee and is crying over this. It would effect his life for maybe 3 hours.
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Carty or Petrocelli, hey?
I assume those are old ladies from your days at Marquette?
Dream big!
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I had my teeth cleaned a couple of months back. No need to go back ever again.
Or,
I had a cleaning once and it didn't last. It is all a scam.
The same logic as:
1. 70% of adults are fully vaccinated,
2. 90% of patients hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
Conclusion: Vaccines don’t work so what’s the point of getting one.
Those numbers may not be precisely accurate, but I hear that kind of reasoning all the time.
I also wear a seat belt whenever I drive or ride in a car even though people wearing seat belts can be killed or seriously injured in accidents. I like to tilt probabilities in my favor when I can do it with an insignificant inconvenience.
We have been wearing masks at MU games all season. Hopefully this mandate
will stop MU students from yelling at me to “take off the Fauci diaper”.
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Why doesn't FD Joe and Fr. Fauci mandate no smoking, fast food, sugar, alcohol, etc. if they are so concerned about the health of the American public. What is going on here, hey?
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Why doesn't FD Joe and Fr. Fauci mandate no smoking, fast food, sugar, alcohol, etc. if they are so concerned about the health of the American public. What is going on here, hey?
Federal government has no say in these things, hey? All up the the states, ai'na?
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This state's current numskull is certifiable, hey?
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Why doesn't FD Joe and Fr. Fauci mandate no smoking, fast food, sugar, alcohol, etc. if they are so concerned about the health of the American public. What is going on here, hey?
Yes, because smoking, eating fast food and drinking alcohol are just like a communicable disease.
I would have thought a "health care professional" could understand this.
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The guy doesn't even live in Milwaukee and is crying over this. It would effect his life for maybe 3 hours.
Where I live is not relevant. I’ve been to five Marquette games this season already, bub.
I’ve had covid and am vaxxed. FOH “requiring” me to wear a mask at an arena, except when chugging beer or eating food. It’s looney tunes thinking.
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Why doesn't FD Joe and Fr. Fauci mandate no smoking, fast food, sugar, alcohol, etc. if they are so concerned about the health of the American public. What is going on here, hey?
Uh, there are laws in place when these things affect other people (smoking bans in certain public places, drinking and driving, no Arby's on public transportation, or is that Durian?)
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Where I live is not relevant. I’ve been to five Marquette games this season already, bub.
I’ve had covid and am vaxxed. FOH “requiring” me to wear a mask at an arena, except when chugging beer or eating food. It’s looney tunes thinking.
Since there is no vaccine requirement to enter Fiserv, they don't know who has been vaxxed or had Covid. So it's simply easier to enforce if everyone is required to be masked.
Again, just don't go if it is too inconvenient for you. The games are televised, so you wouldn't be missing anything.
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This state's current numskull is certifiable, hey?
No, Walker was voted out.
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Yes, because smoking, eating fast food and drinking alcohol are just like a communicable disease.
I would have thought a "health care professional" could understand this.
Absolutely affects each of us in many ways, daily. Would think that's elementary for those working in academia, aina?
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Where I live is not relevant. I’ve been to five Marquette games this season already, bub.
I’ve had covid and am vaxxed. FOH “requiring” me to wear a mask at an arena, except when chugging beer or eating food. It’s looney tunes thinking.
How many of them were at the Fiserv Forum (where the mask mandate we're discussing is being enforced)?
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Since there is no vaccine requirement to enter Fiserv, they don't know who has been vaxxed or had Covid. So it's simply easier to enforce if everyone is required to be masked.
Again, just don't go if it is too inconvenient for you. The games are televised, so you wouldn't be missing anything.
Going to a game is different than viewing on TV, Tex.
“Simply easier” is fine if it was useful. Me with a mask or not in a mask isn’t helping or hurting anyone, it’s just stupid.
And if I go I will have the mask off most the time, with food & drink in hand. So stupid.
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Absolutely affects each of us in many ways, daily. Would think that's elementary for those working in academia, aina?
I didn't say they weren't health issues that we should be dealing with. I said they aren't communicable diseases.
IMO, I can't pass obesity along to the stranger sitting next to me.
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Going to a game is different than viewing on TV, Tex.
“Simply easier” is fine if it was useful. Me with a mask or not in a mask isn’t helping or hurting anyone, it’s just stupid.
And if I go I will have the mask off most the time, with food & drink in hand. So stupid.
So you're just a kitten who can't handle inconvenience for a couple hours.. Got it.
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So you're just a kitten who can't handle inconvenience for a couple hours.. Got it.
He always has been, hard to expect growth out of a guy who is obsessed with living in the past.
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So you're just a kitten who can't handle inconvenience for a couple hours.. Got it.
I can handle it. I just will call it out for being stupid and will take steps to lessen the impact on me.
It’s like your posts. Stupid af, but I can handle it.
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Is the cloth mask is useless thought about getting the virus or spreading it? I thought it’s been pretty week established that they had minimal effectiveness to stop you from getting it. I thought they still had a reasonable (albeit much reduced compared to N95) effectiveness in preventing a person from spreading it.
Maybe that’s changed and I missed it. It seems those that bring up the cloth masks being ineffective focus more on the stopping you from getting infected rather than if it helps mitigate the spread.
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I can handle it. I just will call it out for being stupid and will take steps to lessen the impact on me.
It’s like your posts. Stupid af, but I can handle it.
Says the guy who once claimed to be withholding recruiting information because I bothered him.
Just a little kitten.
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Says the guy who once claimed to be withholding recruiting information because I bothered him.
Just a little kitten.
Oh, I absolutely have and continue to withhold info from this site.
Do you think kittens are cute? PM me Y/N/M
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Fantastic
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Oh, I absolutely have and continue to withhold info from this site.
"I can handle it" says the guy who cannot handle it.
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It’s indeed the unlearned morons who are preventing the pandemic from petering out.
So it’s time policies—public and private—stop trying to protect the people who are too imbecilic to protect themselves. Insurance (health and life, to name two) should skyrocket for the unvaccinated so the rest of us don’t have to foot the bill when they take up precious ICU space. Because those most vulnerable to serious complications are the ones least likely to comply with mandates anyway, it’s time to let Darwinism play itself out as it will.
Yes and no. I've done everything right. First vaccinated in March. Booster in October. Omicron still got me. Wasn't all that sick, but felt kinda crappy for a few days. Clearly this version of the virus doesn't give two rips about who did things right and who didn't.
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Yes and no. I've done everything right. First vaccinated in March. Booster in October. Omicron still got me. Wasn't all that sick, but felt kinda crappy for a few days. Clearly this version of the virus doesn't give two rips about who did things right and who didn't.
I think most people would agree with you. You've done everything right. The issue is with the people clogging the hospitals up. They've done nothing right.
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As someone who is a caregiver and got my Moderna shots even before I was supposed to and got my booster early, I have to say this board is filled with really awful people.
Wishing Darwinism to weed out people you don't like? Wishing insurance rates to skyrocket because people made decisions you don't like?
Just vile people here. And liberals, every last one of them.
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I don't get the whole "since I can take my mask off in my seat to eat or drink, the whole mask thing is stupid" philosophy.
When you are walking around breathing without a mask you are sharing your spittle and viral particles with whomever you walk past or talk to. If you wear a mask that mitigates the sharing of your spittle and breath. That makes a mask at that point still valuable.
When sitting in your seat eating, you are not breathing out amongst the masses, but in your confined little space. So you are now putting those next to you in possible harm's way, but that is a small group (and perhaps some of that group is already within your circles) and for a limited (hopefully) period of time.
Obviously if they wanted to be completely serious about it, they would eliminate concessions completely and require full masks for the entire time you are present in the FF. Practically speaking that is not very probable as they are trying to run a business, so they create rules that should help mitigate overall, but still allow patrons to enjoy their time.
Why is it always all or nothing? Mitigation measures are important and rational.
Really tired of some of my fellow Americans.
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Ok, then don’t require masks when seated
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Yes and no. I've done everything right. First vaccinated in March. Booster in October. Omicron still got me. Wasn't all that sick, but felt kinda crappy for a few days. Clearly this version of the virus doesn't give two rips about who did things right and who didn't.
Yep, thousands of people that are fully vaccinated including booster AND have prior infection are still catching the virus. Including many following and living in areas that have strict vaccine & mask mandates.
This mask requirement is essentially saying 'look we're doing something.' It's not going to make a difference. Those taking things seriously likely will follow strictly and wear masks appropriately the whole time, and they likely would've worn a mask even if there wasn't a requirement. Those that aren't too worried and not fans of wearing the mask will just half ass wear them, pull them down, eat/drink constantly, etc. anyways. Making it all essentially useless.
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As someone who is a caregiver and got my Moderna shots even before I was supposed to and got my booster early, I have to say this board is filled with really awful people.
Wishing Darwinism to weed out people you don't like? Wishing insurance rates to skyrocket because people made decisions you don't like?
Just vile people here. And liberals, every last one of them.
You’re free to leave at anytime
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Ok, then don’t require masks when seated
As long as you promise to stop breathing when seated, sure.
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As someone who is a caregiver and got my Moderna shots even before I was supposed to and got my booster early, I have to say this board is filled with really awful people.
Wishing Darwinism to weed out people you don't like? Wishing insurance rates to skyrocket because people made decisions you don't like?
Just vile people here. And liberals, every last one of them.
LOL
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As someone who is a caregiver and got my Moderna shots even before I was supposed to and got my booster early, I have to say this board is filled with really awful people.
Wishing Darwinism to weed out people you don't like? Wishing insurance rates to skyrocket because people made decisions you don't like?
Just vile people here. And liberals, every last one of them.
You hate Shaka.
You hate the direction Marquette has taken.
You hate liberals.
You love complaining about them all.
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Omnicron variant? Currently yes.
NM, no point.
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I'm not sure why people need to attack each other.
I think we can all agree on two points:
1) If you are afraid of getting covid/omicron, regardless of masks or your vaccination status, it's not rational to go to a basketball game with 18K people.
2) Hospital overcapacity impacts a huge amount of people and is a significant problem right now. The vast, vast, vast, majority of those taking up ICU's are those that are unvaccinated.
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I'm not sure why people need to attack each other.
I think we can all agree on two points:
1) If you are afraid of getting covid/omicron, regardless of masks or your vaccination status, it's not rational to go to a basketball game with 18K people.
2) Hospital overcapacity impacts a huge amount of people and is a significant problem right now. The vast, vast, vast, majority of those taking up ICU's are those that are unvaccinated.
Obviously. But if you're serious about #2, then maybe don't do #1.
Either way, it's mostly people just venting here. No amount of crying on this forum is going to change the policy at the Fiserv.
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As someone who is a caregiver and got my Moderna shots even before I was supposed to and got my booster early, I have to say this board is filled with really awful people.
Wishing Darwinism to weed out people you don't like? Wishing insurance rates to skyrocket because people made decisions you don't like?
Just vile people here. And liberals, every last one of them.
I don't go on the COVID board so maybe that's happening there, but I haven't seen anyone in this thread wish Darwinism on anyone. I have seen one or two people talk about higher insurance rates for the unvaccinated, but isn't that just capitalism? Private entity sees a cost and takes steps to mitigate said cost?
And let's be clear, this isn't about making a decision someone doesn't like. It's about making a decision that negatively impacts the health and wellbeing of those that that someone cares about.
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Either way, it's mostly people just venting here. No amount of crying on this forum is going to change the policy at the Fiserv.
What do you mean by this? We WILL change the policy, and it's not fair to say otherwise! Waaaaa!
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I don't go on the COVID board so maybe that's happening there, but I haven't seen anyone in this thread wish Darwinism on anyone. I have seen one or two people talk about higher insurance rates for the unvaccinated, but isn't that just capitalism? Private entity sees a cost and takes steps to mitigate said cost?
And let's be clear, this isn't about making a decision someone doesn't like. It's about making a decision that negatively impacts the health and wellbeing of those that that someone cares about.
It’s not rampant but it’s happened a number of times. Lots of boogeymen and need for blame and direct individual responsibility for deaths
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I didn't say they weren't health issues that we should be dealing with. I said they aren't communicable diseases.
IMO, I can't pass obesity along to the stranger sitting next to me.
Well, I don 't want to inhale secondary smoke, hey?
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Well, I don 't want to inhale secondary smoke, hey?
Wear a mask.
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So, I know a nurse, who tested positive for covid. She called the hospital where she works to tell them of her intended absence. She was told to report to work anyway. They're short handed.For all you covid phobs, guess what? Ya ain't safe nowhere, aina?
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I don't get the whole "since I can take my mask off in my seat to eat or drink, the whole mask thing is stupid" philosophy.
When you are walking around breathing without a mask you are sharing your spittle and viral particles with whomever you walk past or talk to. If you wear a mask that mitigates the sharing of your spittle and breath. That makes a mask at that point still valuable.
When sitting in your seat eating, you are not breathing out amongst the masses, but in your confined little space. So you are now putting those next to you in possible harm's way, but that is a small group (and perhaps some of that group is already within your circles) and for a limited (hopefully) period of time.
Obviously if they wanted to be completely serious about it, they would eliminate concessions completely and require full masks for the entire time you are present in the FF. Practically speaking that is not very probable as they are trying to run a business, so they create rules that should help mitigate overall, but still allow patrons to enjoy their time.
Why is it always all or nothing? Mitigation measures are important and rational.
Really tired of some of my fellow Americans.
If you breathe ~15 times per minute for three hours (180 minutes), that puts you around 2700 breaths while you're in the arena. If you wear your mask except to eat and drink, let's say a total of 30 minutes, you are covered for 2250 breaths. You are mitigating for 83% of your breathing, which is far better than 0, while still being able to attend the game and have something eat or drink.
It's not perfect but if we do what we need to, we can do what we want to - in this case see a game in person. Let's mitigate so we can keep the Fiserv open to fans and keep each other healthy.
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Well, I don 't want to inhale secondary smoke, hey?
Agreed. That’s why there are laws against smoking in public places indoors. Kind of like, you know, wearing masks indoors in public places.
Huh.
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So, I know a nurse, who tested positive for covid. She called the hospital where she works to tell them of her intended absence. She was told to report to work anyway. They're short handed.For all you covid phobs, guess what? Ya ain't safe nowhere, aina?
And why is there such a strong demand for nursing at the moment I wonder?
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If you breathe ~15 times per minute for three hours (180 minutes), that puts you around 2700 breaths while you're in the arena. If you wear your mask except to eat and drink, let's say a total of 30 minutes, you are covered for 2250 breaths. You are mitigating for 83% of your breathing, which is far better than 0, while still being able to attend the game and have something eat or drink.
It's not perfect but if we do what we need to, we can do what we want to - in this case see a game in person. Let's mitigate so we can keep the Fiserv open to fans and keep each other healthy.
Yeah I don’t get the “if we can’t do everything possible, why do anything at all.” That’s like saying “since seat belts don’t save lives 100% of the time, why wear them at all.”
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You should be up in arms. A health professional, with covid, is being told to work, hey?
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Found out wife’s close friend has a benign brain tumor, causing seizures and vision loss. Surgery keeps getting postponed due to hospital full of un-vaxed Covid patients.
And yet her long-term boyfriend still won’t get a vax. I asked if her strategy was to lose the boyfriend or she is waiting for Covid to do it for her?
Spoke with a friend/doctor who is on the advising board for Aurora today...they are being forced to close urgent care clinics and he had to have a stroke patient flighted across the lake today to MI because they couldn't find a bed for him. He said about 88% of those in the ICU for Covid are unvaccinated. Makes me so angry and sad...can only imagine what it's like for the guy's family.
So yeah...if wearing a mask at fiserv might lead to one extra bed being open I'm good with it. Beats the hell out of watching a friend tear up over the choices they are having to make in hospitals right now.
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Well, I don 't want to inhale secondary smoke, hey?
Which is why -- unlike being near an obese person, which doesn't affect anybody else -- every state has laws restricting where smokers can smoke. It is quite easy to avoid cigarette and cigar smoke anywhere one goes in 2021.
30 years ago, who ever thought there would be laws that protected non-smokers by preventing smokers from smoking in bars?
And there are significant consequences for those who choose to smoke, too -- above and beyond the fact that most of them will be sicker and will die sooner. For one thing, they have to pay significantly higher rates for health insurance, and it's harder and/or more expensive for them to get life insurance.
Nice having this conversation with you, sir.
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You should be up in arms. A health professional, with covid, is being told to work, hey?
I’m assuming no one is up in arms because no one believes you.
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Yeah I don’t get the “if we can’t do everything possible, why do anything at all.” That’s like saying “since seat belts don’t save lives 100% of the time, why wear them at all.”
This has been the gun-lovers' argument forever. "Common-sense gun regulations -- even those that 90% of Americans favor -- won't end all gun deaths, so why bother having them?"
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So, I know a nurse, who tested positive for covid. She called the hospital where she works to tell them of her intended absence. She was told to report to work anyway. They're short handed.For all you covid phobs, guess what? Ya ain't safe nowhere, aina?
She should tell them she isn't coming in. There are rules, and if the hospital isn't following them then the nurse should stand up for herself.
What are they going to do? Fire a Covid positive nurse that is following the proper protocols?
That'd be quite the news story.
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Green jacket, gold jacket who gives a crap… just so long as we can go to the games in person, last year sucked
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6-12 inches of snow expected January 1. Plenty of room to social distance.
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Too lazy to look. Will Fiserv be dictating the type of mask people will be wearing?
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/29/22858397/cloth-masks-stop-omicron-variant-covid-19 (https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/29/22858397/cloth-masks-stop-omicron-variant-covid-19)
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Too lazy to look. Will Fiserv be dictating the type of mask people will be wearing?
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/29/22858397/cloth-masks-stop-omicron-variant-covid-19 (https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/29/22858397/cloth-masks-stop-omicron-variant-covid-19)
Too lazy to respond to something already addressed multiple times.
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I'm not sure why people need to attack each other.
I think we can all agree on two points:
1) If you are afraid of getting covid/omicron, regardless of masks or your vaccination status, it's not rational to go to a basketball game with 18K people.
2) Hospital overcapacity impacts a huge amount of people and is a significant problem right now. The vast, vast, vast, majority of those taking up ICU's are those that are unvaccinated.
There probably aren’t going to be close to 18,000 people at the game tomorrow. There are a lot of factors that will keep the crowd down, including:
1. The students are out of school.
2. 11 AM on NY Day is not going to be an attractive time for a lot of people, either because they have had New Years Eve activities, because they are traveling from holiday events, or because they just think that 11 AM is too early for a basketball game.
3. There is a risk of a significant snowfall hitting southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois on Saturday and that might prompt people who have to travel any significant distance to skip the game.
4. People who vehemently object to the mask requirement might stay home as might people who are concerned about going to an indoor event with any kind of crowd where they know that many people will ignore or do their best to circumvent the requirement.
This is all on top of the fact that I suspect that MU season ticket sales are down this year from two years ago. There are a lot of seats near ours that have had season ticket holders in them since FF opened that have been empty this season.
I take some issue to your point number 1. I think someone can be concerned enough about catching COVID (or any infectious disease) without having to stay home from any event with a significant crowd. Someone who is fully vaccinated and boosted and is willing to wear a mask might be reasonably confident that he won’t be stricken with a serious illness. But he might still appreciate it if others would be willing to take some precautions to reduce the risk of getting infected.
You are suggesting that anyone who attends a game either has no concern about catching COVID or is irrational. I don’t think it’s that black and white.
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Going to a game is different than viewing on TV, Tex.
“Simply easier” is fine if it was useful. Me with a mask or not in a mask isn’t helping or hurting anyone, it’s just stupid.
#scientifically illiterate
#dumb
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Oh, I absolutely have and continue to withhold info from this site.
#ohnoes!
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I am taking a pass on the Creighton game and probably will for a while. My reasoning is not mask related, but I really do not get the mask mandate at FF. I have dodged Covid for two years and want to continue dodging it and will be doing my best to avoid crowds until things cool down. I went to the UConn game and did not think it was the smartest thing to do but went anyways. With having an 86y mother-in-law I see often and three granddaughters I am going to lay low until the dust clears.
Like everyone with a brain, I am so sick and tired of Covid and pissed off we are still in this mess. I have enjoyed going to the games more than I have in ages and want to be at the FF, not watching from home. To make things worse, I think restrictions might get tighter if things keep going badly and I will no choice but watch from home.
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There probably aren’t going to be close to 18,000 people at the game tomorrow. There are a lot of factors that will keep the crowd down, including:
1. The students are out of school.
2. 11 AM on NY Day is not going to be an attractive time for a lot of people, either because they have had New Years Eve activities, because they are traveling from holiday events, or because they just think that 11 AM is too early for a basketball game.
3. There is a risk of a significant snowfall hitting southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois on Saturday and that might prompt people who have to travel any significant distance to skip the game.
4. People who vehemently object to the mask requirement might stay home as might people who are concerned about going to an indoor event with any kind of crowd where they know that many people will ignore or do their best to circumvent the requirement.
This is all on top of the fact that I suspect that MU season ticket sales are down this year from two years ago. There are a lot of seats near ours that have had season ticket holders in them since FF opened that have been empty this season.
I take some issue to your point number 1. I think someone can be concerned enough about catching COVID (or any infectious disease) without having to stay home from any event with a significant crowd. Someone who is fully vaccinated and boosted and is willing to wear a mask might be reasonably confident that he won’t be stricken with a serious illness. But he might still appreciate it if others would be willing to take some precautions to reduce the risk of getting infected.
You are suggesting that anyone who attends a game either has no concern about catching COVID or is irrational. I don’t think it’s that black and white.
I can guarantee that there won’t be 18K people there tomorrow. If you show up, you’ll probably have the whole building to yourself. How many people show up Saturday is the real question.
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The mods are super generous right now
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The mods are super apathetic right now
fify
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There probably aren’t going to be close to 18,000 people at the game tomorrow. There are a lot of factors that will keep the crowd down, including:
1. The students are out of school.
2. 11 AM on NY Day is not going to be an attractive time for a lot of people, either because they have had New Years Eve activities, because they are traveling from holiday events, or because they just think that 11 AM is too early for a basketball game.
3. There is a risk of a significant snowfall hitting southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois on Saturday and that might prompt people who have to travel any significant distance to skip the game.
4. People who vehemently object to the mask requirement might stay home as might people who are concerned about going to an indoor event with any kind of crowd where they know that many people will ignore or do their best to circumvent the requirement.
This is all on top of the fact that I suspect that MU season ticket sales are down this year from two years ago. There are a lot of seats near ours that have had season ticket holders in them since FF opened that have been empty this season.
I take some issue to your point number 1. I think someone can be concerned enough about catching COVID (or any infectious disease) without having to stay home from any event with a significant crowd. Someone who is fully vaccinated and boosted and is willing to wear a mask might be reasonably confident that he won’t be stricken with a serious illness. But he might still appreciate it if others would be willing to take some precautions to reduce the risk of getting infected.
You are suggesting that anyone who attends a game either has no concern about catching COVID or is irrational. I don’t think it’s that black and white.
Blue, I know about a dozen people that are double vaxed, boosted, and are very responsible going out, masking, and social distancing. They have all gotten covid the past 5 days and a few have more than mild symptoms. If you are going to a basketball game, or frankly out to dinner, omicron doesn't care. It's not per se black and white but if you actually think a cloth mask with a zillion people around you is going to do much to stop the spread, think again.
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I’m assuming no one is up in arms because no one believes you.
So, you're calling me a liar? You should be ashamed of yourself and apologize.
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Blue, I know about a dozen people that are double vaxed, boosted, and are very responsible going out, masking, and social distancing. They have all gotten covid the past 5 days and a few have more than mild symptoms. If you are going to a basketball game, or frankly out to dinner, omicron doesn't care. It's not per se black and white but if you actually think a cloth mask with a zillion people around you is going to do much to stop the spread, think again.
You know 12 people who were boosted but still got COVID? Was their direct contact one person/place? Curious
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Blue, I know about a dozen people that are double vaxed, boosted, and are very responsible going out, masking, and social distancing. They have all gotten covid the past 5 days and a few have more than mild symptoms. If you are going to a basketball game, or frankly out to dinner, omicron doesn't care. It's not per se black and white but if you actually think a cloth mask with a zillion people around you is going to do much to stop the spread, think again.
I didn’t say anything about a cloth mask or a zillion people, but OK. And I don’t know what you mean by “more than mild” symptoms. A bad cold or flu produces more than mild symptoms, and I’ve had plenty of those over the years. I’m reluctant to start avoiding any activity that might lead to an illness with some uncomfortable symptoms.
If the risk of serious illness and hospitalization, even for fully vaccinated and boosted individuals, is as great as you are suggesting, then the CDC is dramatically understating the seriousness of omicron, and we’re going to need to use Fiserv Forum as an emergency hospital once all of the people who have packed airports and attended holiday gatherings return home.
But, it’s interesting to see that people who favored doing nothing in March 2020 so we could achieve herd immunity are now advocating for people to stay home from any public event.
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You know 12 people who were boosted but still got COVID? Was their direct contact one person/place? Curious
No. It was various places and States although four were from one establishment.
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I didn’t say anything about a cloth mask or a zillion people, but OK. And I don’t know what you mean by “more than mild” symptoms. A bad cold or flu produces more than mild symptoms, and I’ve had plenty of those over the years. I’m reluctant to start avoiding any activity that might lead to an illness with some uncomfortable symptoms.
If the risk of serious illness and hospitalization, even for fully vaccinated and boosted individuals, is as great as you are suggesting, then the CDC is dramatically understating the seriousness of omicron, and we’re going to need to use Fiserv Forum as an emergency hospital once all of the people who have packed airports and attended holiday gatherings return home.
But, it’s interesting to see that people who favored doing nothing in March 2020 so we could achieve herd immunity are now advocating for people to stay home from any public event.
None are seriously ill, and I'm not advocating for anything. My simple point is you're not protected from getting this strain. So if you are worried about getting omicron in any form you probably shouldn't go to basketball games and restaurants or feel any security with a cloth mask. If you feel comfortable then by all means go. Again, it's best to be fully vaccinated. Nevertheless, people fully vaxed are getting omicron and spreading it as of course are the unvaxed.
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And don't create false narratives Blue, I never stated "do nothing". I stated lockdowns for as long as we had them were more detrimental than keeping the economy open from a total health perspective. That conceivably people would have herd immunity although that doesn't seem to have worked in Sweden. Nevertheless, they are doing better than average than the rest of Europe.
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None are seriously ill, and I'm not advocating for anything. My simple point is you're not protected from getting this strain. So if you are worried about getting omicron in any form you probably shouldn't go to basketball games and restaurants or feel any security with a cloth mask. If you feel comfortable then by all means go. Again, it's best to be fully vaccinated. Nevertheless, people fully vaxed are getting omicron and spreading it as of course are the unvaxed.
But if you decide to do all of these things, it's still better to wear any mask than none.
Sorry, had to finish your thought to round it out.
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But if you decide to do all of these things, it's still better to wear any mask than none.
Sorry, had to finish your thought to round it out.
I agree with that.
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None are seriously ill, and I'm not advocating for anything. My simple point is you're not protected from getting this strain. So if you are worried about getting omicron in any form you probably shouldn't go to basketball games and restaurants or feel any security with a cloth mask. If you feel comfortable then by all means go. Again, it's best to be fully vaccinated. Nevertheless, people fully vaxed are getting omicron and spreading it as of course are the unvaxed.
So, then, if you were going to be in Milwaukee on Saturday, would you go to the game?
If yes, is that because you wouldn’t be concerned about contracting COVID (despite knowing a lot of vaccinated people who have gotten sick) or because you are irrational?
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Well, I don 't want to inhale secondary smoke, hey?
Maybe that's why smoking is banned in Fiserv and nearly all other public gathering places.
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I agree with that.
Don’t come to Milwaukee. 4 out of 5 dentists agree you will get shot
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So, you're calling me a liar? You should be ashamed of yourself and apologize.
If people largely thought that healthcare workers were being press-ganged onto the floors despite being actively suffering from Covid they would care and react accordingly. Nobody reacted that way to what you posted. The logical conclusion is that people don't believe what you said was accurate.
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No, Walker was voted out.
I didn’t realize I was on the Badger site.
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So, then, if you were going to be in Milwaukee on Saturday, would you go to the game?
If yes, is that because you wouldn’t be concerned about contracting COVID (despite knowing a lot of vaccinated people who have gotten sick) or because you are irrational?
Again, read what I wrote. I stated if you are going to the game with the belief that your vaccinations and a cloth mask will protect you from omicron, that is irrational. If you feel comfortable going knowing you are at risk of contracting the virus then by all means go.
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I didn’t realize I was on the Badger site.
Thought the doc was talking about our (WI) governor. My apologies.
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I didn’t realize I was on the Badger site.
You're implying most Badger fans are from Madison.
That's precious.
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I can guarantee that there won’t be 18K people there tomorrow. If you show up, you’ll probably have the whole building to yourself. How many people show up Saturday is the real question.
You won’t have the whole building to yourself because the Globetrotters will be there.
But, yes I inadvertently said “tomorrow” when I obviously meant Saturday.
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If people largely thought that healthcare workers were being press-ganged onto the floors despite being actively suffering from Covid they would care and react accordingly. Nobody reacted that way to what you posted. The logical conclusion is that people don't believe what you said was accurate.
Believe it, dude, hey?
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Again, read what I wrote. I stated if you are going to the game with the belief that your vaccinations and a cloth mask will protect you from omicron, that is irrational. If you feel comfortable going knowing you are at risk of contracting the virus then by all means go.
I read what you wrote when you said “If you are afraid of getting Covid/omicron, regardless of masks or your vaccination status, it’s not rational to go to a basketball game with 18 K people.”
I’m just wondering how you personally feel about these risks.
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I do think there is a difference between being afraid of getting Covid and just being careful. I have never been afraid to getting Covid, yet I have tried to make the right decisions more times than not. My not going to the game is more due to being cautious. There are other factors as well, chance for snow and Dry January. I would like to make it past the first weekend before it becomes Wet January.
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I'm more concerned about the disruption a COVID case would cause to my personal/professional life than I am about my health. I've got mRNA up to my eyeballs.
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I get tested tomorrow 😬
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Believe it, dude, hey?
I called the hospital and nurse. No such situation was found to be true.
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For what it’s worth, the hospital I work at, has 5 ICU nurses out with it. We are usually in the top 6 of COVID hospitalizations in Wisco. Its not our policy to have those people work through it. And even if they did, they would just be working with COVID patients, full circle or something.
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This could be a “desperate times call for desperate measures” situation at many hospitals. Kind of like in wartime. When help isn’t coming you do what you have to do. I would suggest people talk to the doctors/nurse managers/people they trust in hospital administration to get their opinion on the reasoning behind such decisions before they pass judgement.
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This could be a “desperate times call for desperate measures” situation at many hospitals. Kind of like in wartime. When help isn’t coming you do what you have to do. I would suggest people talk to the doctors/nurse managers/people they trust in hospital administration to get their opinion on the reasoning behind such decisions before they pass judgement.
Easy to say for the nurses and hourly staff.
I wonder what the hospital admins do when they have a fever.
This country is so screwed up.
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I'm going to be the guy that munches on popcorn all game to avoid having the mask over my face.
How very kind and thoughtful.
Cura personalis....
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Again, read what I wrote. I stated if you are going to the game with the belief that your vaccinations and a cloth mask will protect you from omicron, that is irrational. If you feel comfortable going knowing you are at risk of contracting the virus then by all means go.
If a person thinks a cloth mask will completely protect them from omicron, you are correct - that is irrational.
But it is completely rational to believe that it will substantially decrease the risk oof getting omicron, especially if you and those around you are wearing their masks properly.
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I know, but the awful truth is that it comes at the expense of those who are actually responsible. I visited a friend—vaccinated and compliant—going through cancer treatment at a world-famous hospital, and he couldn’t get a room because of COVID patients. He had a makeshift area in the PICU (which is not even designed for what he has). While you can’t turn people away, you can certainly de-prioritize their care if they don’t prioritize their own health in such basic ways.
My wife is a MD. I’m calling your story BS. Name the hospital.
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Easy to say for the nurses and hourly staff.
I wonder what the hospital admins do when they have a fever.
This country is so screwed up.
Oh don’t leave out the doctors. They are right there with the nurses and other hourly staff. Only the the non-clinical higher ups are spared.
Helping others is not screwed up. Hospitals in many areas are full to the brim. Staffing is low. Desperate times.
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The omicron variant has hardly been here. Let's see what happens in the coming weeks.
I am hardly calling for a shut down of society, but taking reasonable precautions like mask wearing, makes a lot of sense to me.
FBM, I’m antimask mandate. 100%. My MD wife is antimask mandate. 100%. Could you please explain how wearing a mask is effective at preventing, or slowing the transmission of covid? Thx.
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This late and STILL in before the lock.
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If a person thinks a cloth mask will completely protect them from omicron, you are correct - that is irrational.
But it is completely rational to believe that it will substantially decrease the risk oof getting omicron, especially if you and those around you are wearing their masks properly.
Well that's an important question and I've read differing opinions from epidemologists. It certainly "helps" to a degree but there are variables in play. It's better than not wearing one but if you are at a game cheering, screaming, sweating, and taking your cloth mask on and off while you're a foot or less away from other people?
I have no problem with the rule and think it’s a minor inconvenience. But I have a hard believing the protection level you get right now with a cloth mask, from this variant, in that setting, isn't minimal. Many experts and countries insist the N95 should be on the table. Germany I think is going that route.
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Believe it, dude, hey?
Lay off the gas, hey?
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I read what you wrote when you said “If you are afraid of getting Covid/omicron, regardless of masks or your vaccination status, it’s not rational to go to a basketball game with 18 K people.”
I’m just wondering how you personally feel about these risks.
I'm not particularly concerned personally Blue so I would go to the MU games. I'm lucky to almost never get sick and Im relatively young. I've been sick for more than a day or two twice in my entire life. My issue is anxiety.
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FBM, I’m antimask mandate. 100%. My MD wife is antimask mandate. 100%. Could you please explain how wearing a mask is effective at preventing, or slowing the transmission of covid? Thx.
Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness. In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3 In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control. Second, masks protect uninfected wearers. Masks form a barrier to large respiratory droplets that could land on exposed mucous membranes of the eye, nose, and mouth. Masks can also partially filter out small droplets and particles from inhaled air. Multiple layers of fabric and fabrics with higher thread counts improve filtration. However, the observed effectiveness of cloth masks to protect the wearer is lower than their effectiveness for source control, and the filtration capacity of cloth masks can be highly dependent on design, fit, and materials used. Standards for cloth masks are needed to help consumers select marketed products.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
Could you tell us about the peer-reviewed and published studies your MD wife has conducted to reach her contrary conclusions?
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FBM, I’m antimask mandate. 100%. My MD wife is antimask mandate. 100%. Could you please explain how wearing a mask is effective at preventing, or slowing the transmission of covid? Thx.
He doesn't have to, there are dozens of studies that prove it.
Being a medical professional certainly doesn't exempt your wife from being a bonehead along with the dental dudes around here.
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If a person thinks a cloth mask will completely protect them from omicron, you are correct - that is irrational.
But it is completely rational to believe that it will substantially decrease the risk oof getting omicron, especially if you and those around you are wearing their masks properly.
It’s a combination of things. I would like to believe the reports that even getting the virus will likely result in no symptoms, mild symptoms, or maybe a couple of days of discomfort for an otherwise healthy, vaccinated and boosted individual. And that wearing a good fitting mask, either an N95 or a cloth mask with a filter, will reduce the risk of infection, especially if you can avoid close, face to face contact with too many people.
It comes down to how much we’re willing to let this thing completely keep us from doing things we enjoy.
The way people drive these days I’m almost as concerned about getting seriously injured or killed by someone street racing or running a red light as I am about getting seriously sick from COVID.
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Believe it, dude, hey?
Appeals to “believe it” rely on credibility.
How much credibility on this subject do you suppose you’ve earned over the last couple years?
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Appeals to “believe it” rely on credibility.
How much credibility on this subject do you suppose you’ve earned over the last couple years?
Up there with 'Period. ' Both have completely altered my world view.
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I'm not particularly concerned personally Blue so I would go to the MU games. I'm lucky to almost never get sick and Im relatively young. I've been sick for more than a day or two twice in my entire life. My issue is anxiety.
Shockin', hey?
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I'm going to be the guy that munches on popcorn all game to avoid having the mask over my face. Or are they banning food and drink from the seating bowl now?
So you're that big of a tool to put others at risk? Get off your high horse loser and join us in society trying to end a global pandemic.
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He doesn't have to, there are dozens of studies that prove it.
Being a medical professional certainly doesn't exempt your wife from being a bonehead along with the dental dudes around here.
I mean someone has to graduate last from medical school.
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Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness. In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3 In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control. Second, masks protect uninfected wearers. Masks form a barrier to large respiratory droplets that could land on exposed mucous membranes of the eye, nose, and mouth. Masks can also partially filter out small droplets and particles from inhaled air. Multiple layers of fabric and fabrics with higher thread counts improve filtration. However, the observed effectiveness of cloth masks to protect the wearer is lower than their effectiveness for source control, and the filtration capacity of cloth masks can be highly dependent on design, fit, and materials used. Standards for cloth masks are needed to help consumers select marketed products.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
Could you tell us about the peer-reviewed and published studies your MD wife has conducted to reach her contrary conclusions?
Yep.
Lots of people ask for studies that show wearing a mask makes a difference. You provide one and ask for any peer-reviewed studies that contradict it and...crickets....
Shocking.
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No. It was various places and States although four were from one establishment.
From data through this December, 1.37% of fully vaccinated people (2 or 3 shots per their definition) had a breakthrough case. Yet, you know 12 of them? Are you the superspreader?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infections-deaths-rose-delta-outpaced/story?id=81822930
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Yep.
Lots of people ask for studies that show wearing a mask makes a difference. You provide one and ask for any peer-reviewed studies that contradict it and...crickets....
Shocking.
Yes but Viper’s wife who is a doctor doesn’t believe in masks. And really that’s more important than any sort of study with its “data” and such…
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From data through this December, 1.37% of fully vaccinated people (2 or 3 shots per their definition) had a breakthrough case. Yet, you know 12 of them? Are you the superspreader?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infections-deaths-rose-delta-outpaced/story?id=81822930
How dare he share a personal anecdote. Off the top of my head, I can think of eight people in my life in the past week with a breakthrough case.
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He doesn't have to, there are dozens of studies that prove it.
Being a medical professional certainly doesn't exempt your wife from being a bonehead along with the dental dudes around here.
name calling behind a keyboard? Ok.
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How dare he share a personal anecdote. Off the top of my head, I can think of eight people in my life in the past week with a breakthrough case.
Too many people here treat anecdotes like some sort of trump card.
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Too many people here treat anecdotes like some sort of trump card.
I’ll just post some article I find that blindly supports my previous opinion next time then and refuse to acknowledge any point that refutes it because “how could it possibly be wrong”
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Yep.
Lots of people ask for studies that show wearing a mask makes a difference. You provide one and ask for any peer-reviewed studies that contradict it and...crickets....
Shocking.
arrogance from Fluffy’s basement…shocking. Articles released from the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic, McGill Univ. (Canada), Mayo-Rochester all point to mask wearing as marginal in success of preventing covid transmission. You want to wear a mask? Follow Dr Science, er, Fauci and wear a mask. No one is stopping you. I said I’m anti-mandate. I don’t/won’t wear a mask except when flying, as…mandated.
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arrogance from Fluffy’s basement…shocking. Articles released from the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic, McGill Univ. (Canada), Mayo-Rochester all point to mask wearing as marginal in success of preventing covid transmission. You want to wear a mask? Follow Dr Science, er, Fauci and wear a mask. No one is stopping you. I said I’m anti-mandate. I don’t/won’t wear a mask except when flying, as…mandated.
Does this mean we won't be seeing Dr. Viper's extensive research on the efficacy of masking?
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Look, the fact is we really don't know for certainty about this stuff right now and how it relates to omicron. Being cautious for a short period of time isn't the worst thing to do. Looks like this wave ramps up quick, then goes away quick. So hopefully this won't be long.
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I think there's a pretty obvious distinction between:
Do masks work?
and
Do mask mandates work as a public health initiative?
Masks, especially N95s and even KN95s work to mitigate transmission and to mitigate risk of infection. This isn't revelatory stuff and has been pretty settled from the jump. People who dispute this do so mostly in bad faith because they are dishonest (or have been hoodwinked).
BUT.
Mask mandates? They kinda sorta don't work. Mostly because we've demonstrated as a society that we have no interest whatsoever in doing what's necessary to make them work. People wear low quality masks (maybe because they don't have access to better ones, perhaps they should!), and they wear them incorrectly (nose out or pulled down under the chin to talk, or because someone is committed to eating popcorn slowly so as to never have to actually wear one, etc.). So many people do this that the efficacy of the masking *policy* probably does not work because is undermined to the point that people can point to it and go "it's security theater! Just like the TSA exists to create the illusion of security, mask mandates exist to create the illusion of taking action."
Both of these things can be true at the same time.
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I am a physician and been taking care of COVID patients for 2 years at local hospitals.
BOTTOM LINE:
Vaccines / boosters do nothing at this point to stop infection or spread.
Masks are meaningless in my opinion
Vaccines / boosters do SO MUCH to prevent serious disease / hospitalization / death in HIGH-RISK people (OBESE # 1 risk in my experience, but others as well). This is the KEY. Rest of the people just need to get it and recover.
In my opinion, if leaders would just say this and admit their misinformation - so many more would get the vaccine voluntarily. Instead of just saying you will never get it or spread it, if you get all the vaccines.
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In my opinion, if leaders would just say this and admit their misinformation - so many more would get the vaccine voluntarily. Instead of just saying you will never get it or spread it, if you get all the vaccines.
Who has said "you will never get it or spread it" if vaccinated? I don't recall anyone saying vaccinations are 100% effective.
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Who has said "you will never get it or spread it" if vaccinated? I don't recall anyone saying vaccinations are 100% effective.
One of many examples you can find. Both from medial and government. Even Aurora CEO said this when mandating the vaccine, where now so many Aurora staff who were mandated to be fully vaccinated, are now out of work and dealing with serious staffing shortages.
https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1475406298812497926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fsocial-media-users-demand-apology-msnbc-rachel-maddow-vaccines
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If media / government just say the vaccine is a great tool to prevent serious disease and death, and thats really it, everything would be so much better, because that is what it is.
A great tool for that, in addition to promoting treatments that we can actually give people, instead of just saying "go home and come back if you can't breath", which is what I have been doing for way to long.
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One of many examples you can find. Both from medial and government. Even Aurora CEO said this when mandating the vaccine, where now so many Aurora staff who were mandated to be fully vaccinated, are now out of work and dealing with serious staffing shortages.
https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1475406298812497926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fsocial-media-users-demand-apology-msnbc-rachel-maddow-vaccines
Oh. What you said "leaders" I thought you meant people with actual authority - like people who knew something about public heath, medicine and the like. Not talking heads who have different motivations.
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Oh. What you said "leaders" I thought you meant people with actual authority - like people who knew something about public heath, medicine and the like. Not talking heads who have different motivations.
Also, Joe Biden and his press secretary both saying it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1471600971755274245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1471600971755274245%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2021%2F12%2F20%2Fjen-psaki-says-biden-will-soon-clarify-something-about-covid-19-caution-one-eighty-in-progress%2F
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arrogance from Fluffy’s basement…shocking. Articles released from the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic, McGill Univ. (Canada), Mayo-Rochester all point to mask wearing as marginal in success of preventing covid transmission. You want to wear a mask? Follow Dr Science, er, Fauci and wear a mask. No one is stopping you. I said I’m anti-mandate. I don’t/won’t wear a mask except when flying, as…mandated.
Total a$$hole mentality right here. Putting others at risk because you’re too tough to wear a mask and put aside your bone head opinions. I hate wearing pants but I have to. Damn shame but this is a society. Also viper…….LOL
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Total a$$hole mentality right here. Putting others at risk because you’re too tough to wear a mask and put aside your bone head opinions. I hate wearing pants but I have to. Damn shame but this is a society. Also viper…….LOL
There is no "putting others at risk". This is just not true. Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years. Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms. Its no more simple than that.
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There is no "putting others at risk". This is just not true. Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years. Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms. Its no more simple than that.
I’ll just leave this here that contradicts your boy vipers, LOL, comment.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
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I’ll just leave this here that contradicts your boy vipers, LOL, comment.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
What is the point you are trying to make with the article?
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Who knew Scoop was inhabited by so many doctors, especially those whose "expert" opinions contradict the great majority of their peers and the medical research.
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Haha. geeagle ”is a doctor.” No one really talks like that medicine, and the point is plainly untrue to boot. This thread is perfect.
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Haha. geeagle ”is a doctor.” No one really talks like that medicine, and the point is plainly untrue to boot. This thread is perfect.
I am a board certified emergency physician for 8 years. I do see the realities of this virus first hand. Which point is plainly untrue? Its so clear that I am admitting very sick unvaccinated high-risk people to the hospital recently, and unvaccinated healthy people and vaccinated high risk people are not admitted and recover at home.
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I am a board certified emergency physician for 8 years. I do see the realities of this virus first hand. Which point is plainly untrue? Its so clear that I am admitting very sick unvaccinated high-risk people to the hospital recently, and unvaccinated healthy people and vaccinated high risk people are not admitted and recover at home.
I'll play along ...
How does treating people in an ER setting make you an expert on the efficacy of masking? So much so, in fact, that your more credible than the volumes of peer-reviewed, published studies that contradict your opinion?
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I like Kur’s contributions this season.
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I am a physician and been taking care of COVID patients for 2 years at local hospitals.
BOTTOM LINE:
Vaccines / boosters do nothing at this point to stop infection or spread.
Masks are meaningless in my opinion
Vaccines / boosters do SO MUCH to prevent serious disease / hospitalization / death in HIGH-RISK people (OBESE # 1 risk in my experience, but others as well). This is the KEY. Rest of the people just need to get it and recover.
In my opinion, if leaders would just say this and admit their misinformation - so many more would get the vaccine voluntarily. Instead of just saying you will never get it or spread it, if you get all the vaccines.
The voice of reason. However, too much money is involved, to have true transparency during this clusterfook, hey?
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There is no "putting others at risk". This is just not true. Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years. Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms. Its no more simple than that.
Btw, are you able to collaborate my information that there are nurses and staff, who have tested positive for covid, are known to their superiors, and are working in hospitals due to staff shortages?
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Why would the idiots on Scoop chastise and try to discredit a poster who has far more knowledge and expertise in this area than the rest of us will ever have by inhaling all the bullchit spit out by the media with help from FD Joe and Fr. Fauci?
Y'all are frankly too fookin' dumb. Woulda thought MU had taught you how to be critical thinkers, hey?
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Doc is slowly transforming into Alex Jones before our very eyes.
Looking back on some of geagles10's posts at the onset of the pandemic, I'm really starting to question his expertise on the subject. Or maybe he still believes COVID is overblown by "the media" and pretty much just the flu.
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Doc is slowly transforming into Alex Jones before our very eyes.
Looking back on some of geagles10's posts at the onset of the pandemic, I'm really starting to question his expertise on the subject. Or maybe he still believes COVID is overblown by "the media" and pretty much just the flu.
I agree with you those posts were not true, that was back in march 2020 the day the BET was canceled. For sure this is worse than the flu in some patients, that was before I had seen any patients. But 2 years later, unfortunately the reality of this whole situation is still not clear to most, in my opinion, for many reasons.
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There is no "putting others at risk". This is just not true. Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years. Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms. Its no more simple than that.
I agree with that statement. I do wear a mask but the evidence is clear most folks don't wear them correctly and reuse masks constantly which renders them useless. False sense of security. Vaccine is best protection against severe disease.
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I am a board certified emergency physician for 8 years. I do see the realities of this virus first hand. Which point is plainly untrue? Its so clear that I am admitting very sick unvaccinated high-risk people to the hospital recently, and unvaccinated healthy people and vaccinated high risk people are not admitted and recover at home.
No one is really disputing this.
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Also, Joe Biden and his press secretary both saying it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1471600971755274245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1471600971755274245%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2021%2F12%2F20%2Fjen-psaki-says-biden-will-soon-clarify-something-about-covid-19-caution-one-eighty-in-progress%2F
He was wrong about the spread, but he said that vaccines were 100% effective at not getting Covid like you claimed above. Maybe you should read Twitter sources that are a little less political too.
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Pro tip. If you drink beer the entire game you don't have to wear a mask.
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Why would the idiots on Scoop chastise and try to discredit a poster who has far more knowledge and expertise in this area than the rest of us will ever have by inhaling all the bullchit spit out by the media with help from FD Joe and Fr. Fauci?
Y'all are frankly too fookin' dumb. Woulda thought MU had taught you how to be critical thinkers, hey?
Media is always the scapegoat for some folks. Which "media" do people have a problem with? CNN or MSNBC? Or Fox or Breitbart? The media narrative is a joke. Let's be honest here, what people watch is what they tend to want to believe and the other guys are "fake news". Sadly, this is the world we live in currently.
Doc, I appreciate your contributions to the board and this is not a shot at you. Just a general observation for all of us.
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Why would the idiots on Scoop chastise and try to discredit a poster who has far more knowledge and expertise in this area than the rest of us will ever have by inhaling all the bullchit spit out by the media with help from FD Joe and Fr. Fauci?
Y'all are frankly too fookin' dumb. Woulda thought MU had taught you how to be critical thinkers, hey?
You literally just discredited someone with a greater background in infectious disease and public health than anyone posting here.
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You mean the 80 yo fart who hasn't touched or seen a patient in 25 years? Da dude's 15 minutes of fame was up 21 months ago and should never have been the face of this pandemic to begin with? The same putz who is in bed with big pharma and the social media mega giants? Is that who I've discredited, hey?
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There’s enough snowflakes accumulating in this thread to feed an entire Al McGuire team cocaine for a year.
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Again,
People are over thinking this. Get the vaccine. Hedge your bets. It’s a win for everyone.
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You mean the 80 yo fart who hasn't touched or seen a patient in 25 years? Da dude's 15 minutes of fame was up 21 months ago and should never have been the face of this pandemic to begin with? The same putz who is in bed with big pharma and the social media mega giants? Is that who I've discredited, hey?
LOL...yeah that guy. As opposed to an anonymous message board guy who is suddenly your best friend because of what he is saying.
Critical thinking indeed. ::)
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I agree with you those posts were not true, that was back in march 2020 the day the BET was canceled. For sure this is worse than the flu in some patients, that was before I had seen any patients. But 2 years later, unfortunately the reality of this whole situation is still not clear to most, in my opinion, for many reasons.
Good on you for admitting you missed the mark previously.
That said, could you answer my previous question? What is it in your experience treating patients in an ER makes you an expert in mask efficacy, and makes your opinion more credible than the volumes of studies indicating masking works?
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Jesus. A mask can’t hurt and will help. Even if you don’t think a mask will help it won’t hurt anybody. You seriously can’t wear something on your face for two hours that might help others?
The same people b!tching about this not ending are the same people that do nothing to help it end.
Cura Personalis
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Jesus. A mask can’t hurt and will help. Even if you don’t think a mask will help it won’t hurt anybody. You seriously can’t wear something on your face for two hours that might help others?
The same people b!tching about this not ending are the same people that do nothing to help it end.
Cura Personalis
if you really want to make sure dont go to the games. this idea people think theyre being safe and responsible masking at these games is ludacrious beyond words
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Media is always the scapegoat for some folks. Which "media" do people have a problem with? CNN or MSNBC? Or Fox or Breitbart? The media narrative is a joke. Let's be honest here, what people watch is what they tend to want to believe and the other guys are "fake news". Sadly, this is the world we live in currently.
Doc, I appreciate your contributions to the board and this is not a shot at you. Just a general observation for all of us.
I agree that people generally read or watch sources that generally support their own point of view. What I disagree with is media actually reporting "news" as opposed to their particular narrative. So for example when I go to realclearpolitics I see a conglomerate of various articles from both sides of the political fence. If I switch channels between CNN or MSNBC and Fox I essentially get both political points of view as well.
The problem is that the vast majority of articles and "news" programs are not "news" Everything that can be politicized generally is. My point is even if you try to read a wide range of political articles, or listen to various news sources, you more often than not get stories that are designed to create or reaffirm a particular narrative.
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if you really want to make sure dont go to the games. this idea people think theyre being safe and responsible masking at these games is ludacrious beyond words
Again, you aren’t hurting anyone else by wearing a mask. You might help someone else.
I have both shots, booster, wear a mask at the games and likely got COVID at the UCLA game. Since I’m vaccinated, going to the games is a chance I don’t mind taking.
But I also don’t mind wearing a mask because it might help someone else. It certainly can’t hurt anyone else.
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Again, you aren’t hurting anyone else by wearing a mask. You might help someone else.
I have both shots, booster, wear a mask at the games and likely got COVID at the UCLA game. Since I’m vaccinated, going to the games is a chance I don’t mind taking.
But I also don’t mind wearing a mask because it might help someone else. It certainly can’t hurt anyone else.
it can hurt som1 else cuz ur mask doesnt guarantee anything. my point is people are suffering from have your cake and eat it too logic. if you are attending games right now you do not care about covid spread period. if the idea is covid is rampant and people want to help reduce spread staying home is really the only legit action. these games are entertainment. wish some would admit here. putting a mask on doesnt make it responsible to go. there is no inbetween here. you care about reducing spread or ya dont
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Good on you for admitting you missed the mark previously.
That said, could you answer my previous question? What is it in your experience treating patients in an ER makes you an expert in mask efficacy, and makes your opinion more credible than the volumes of studies indicating masking works?
My point is, a vast majority of the patients I see with COVID (whether critically ill or just a stuffy nose) were wearing masks to the best of their ability. Maybe it is possible you can actually wear a mask 100 percent of the time, go in public, and never get covid or spread it to others. Unlikely in my opinion and anecdotal. Maybe a tight fitting n95 at all times and never touch it. I have not studied mask wearing.
People can wear masks all they want or do whatever they want, but I guess my point is, get the vaccine if you are worried you are going to get very sick or die or have co morbidities with obesity being #1 in my experience (BEST ADVICE OF ALL IN MY OPINION - with the knowledge you still may catch a more mild case of COVID), and basically we have to move forward with treatments when people do end up testing positive and more forward with society undergoing infection and developing natural immunity.
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it can hurt som1 else cuz ur mask doesnt guarantee anything. my point is people are suffering from have your cake and eat it too logic. if you are attending games right now you do not care about covid spread period. if the idea is covid is rampant and people want to help reduce spread staying home is really the only legit action. these games are entertainment. wish some would admit here. putting a mask on doesnt make it responsible to go. there is no inbetween here. you care about reducing spread or ya dont
Yes you cannot deny spread is not happening. You would have to do a complete shutdown again and never leave your house, which still in the end would not work in my opinion. The way out is high risk people get vaccinated and if/when they test positive, they recover with minimal issues or hospitalization. Others test positive and recover. Both underwent natural immune response with great protection for the future.
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So you're that big of a tool to put others at risk? Get off your high horse loser and join us in society trying to end a global pandemic.
Thanks for the name calling.
I'm healthy and fully vaccinated. I wouldn't go out of my house if I was sick. Like many others have expressed here, I've decided to continue to live my life. I do not feel that I'm putting anyone at risk by wearing or not wearing a mask while healthy.
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it can hurt som1 else cuz ur mask doesnt guarantee anything. my point is people are suffering from have your cake and eat it too logic. if you are attending games right now you do not care about covid spread period. if the idea is covid is rampant and people want to help reduce spread staying home is really the only legit action. these games are entertainment. wish some would admit here. putting a mask on doesnt make it responsible to go. there is no inbetween here. you care about reducing spread or ya dont
It certainly can't hurt but that's basically what I've been saying. If you're worried about getting or spreading covid do not go to basketball games right now.
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My point is, a vast majority of the patients I see with COVID (whether critically ill or just a stuffy nose) were wearing masks to the best of their ability. Maybe it is possible you can actually wear a mask 100 percent of the time, go in public, and never get covid or spread it to others. Unlikely in my opinion and anecdotal. Maybe a tight fitting n95 at all times and never touch it. I have not studied mask wearing.
People can wear masks all they want or do whatever they want, but I guess my point is, get the vaccine if you are worried you are going to get very sick or die or have co morbidities with obesity being #1 in my experience (BEST ADVICE OF ALL IN MY OPINION - with the knowledge you still may catch a more mild case of COVID), and basically we have to move forward with treatments when people do end up testing positive and more forward with society undergoing infection and developing natural immunity.
The primary purpose of masks, and where they're most effective, is to stop the wearer from spreading the disease. They're less effective when it comes to protecting the wearer from contracting it (especially when surrounded by the un-masked).
As a doctor, shouldn't you know this????
As for natural immunity .... all the evidence to date is that 1) it's less effective, and shorter-lived than the vaccine and 2) there's little reason to believe that we'll ever attain herd immunity (see: Sweden).
Everyone should get vaccinated, not just the high risk.
Again, as a doctor, why don't you know these things?
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it can hurt som1 else cuz ur mask doesnt guarantee anything. my point is people are suffering from have your cake and eat it too logic. if you are attending games right now you do not care about covid spread period. if the idea is covid is rampant and people want to help reduce spread staying home is really the only legit action. these games are entertainment. wish some would admit here. putting a mask on doesnt make it responsible to go. there is no inbetween here. you care about reducing spread or ya dont
So you just want the games to go on with no crowds instead?
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Jesus. A mask can’t hurt and will help. Even if you don’t think a mask will help it won’t hurt anybody. You seriously can’t wear something on your face for two hours that might help others?
The same people b!tching about this not ending are the same people that do nothing to help it end.
Cura Personalis
This. I don’t love wearing a mask. I’d prefer not to. But I never in a million years would cause a scene or argue hardly against it. What’s the big deal? Throw on a comfy cloth mask and call it a day. Such a non issue.
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The primary purpose of masks, and where they're most effective, is to stop the wearer from spreading the disease. They're less effective when it comes to protecting the wearer from contracting it (especially when surrounded by the un-masked).
As a doctor, shouldn't you know this????
As for natural immunity .... all the evidence to date is that 1) it's less effective, and shorter-lived than the vaccine and 2) there's little reason to believe that we'll ever attain herd immunity (see: Sweden).
Everyone should get vaccinated, not just the high risk.
Again, as a doctor, why don't you know these things?
Obviously because just being a “doctor” doesn’t mean you know all things medical. I’m not taking advice on skin treatments from an ear, nose and through guy.
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So you just want the games to go on with no crowds instead?
no im for full crowds. just pointing out the pro mask at games people are disingenious at best. they claim to care about covid spread but still go to games needlessly risking getting or giving covid. mask or no ur still partcipating in the spread. thats all im saying
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no im for full crowds. just pointing out the pro mask at games people are disingenious at best. they claim to care about covid spread but still go to games needlessly risking getting or giving covid. mask or no ur still partcipating in the spread. thats all im saying
Yes there is still spread with masks but it is reduced. Is it that hard to understand?
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no im for full crowds. just pointing out the pro mask at games people are disingenious at best. they claim to care about covid spread but still go to games needlessly risking getting or giving covid. mask or no ur still partcipating in the spread. thats all im saying
So since you don’t give a sh*t, that’s somehow “better?” 🙄🙄🙄
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no im for full crowds. just pointing out the pro mask at games people are disingenious at best. they claim to care about covid spread but still go to games needlessly risking getting or giving covid. mask or no ur still partcipating in the spread. thats all im saying
Or maybe they're striking an entirely reasonable balance between going about their lives in a mostly normal manner while also taking a helpful precaution?
This isn't hard.
Should we assume that since you're pro full crowds but anti-safety measures, you don't care at all about whether or not you pass on a disease that might kill the person sitting next to you?
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Yes there is still spread with masks but it is reduced. Is it that hard to understand?
yeah but ur still spreading it at an uneccesassry basketball game lol... if u guys really cared about spread wouldnt u all stay home??? its basketball game. idk why u dont get what im tryna say.
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Yes there is still spread with masks but it is reduced. Is it that hard to understand?
Right. Johnny is another one of these bozos who believes that if you can’t do everything possible, you might as well do nothing at all.
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yeah but ur still spreading it at an uneccesassry basketball game lol... if u guys really cared about spread wouldnt u all stay home??? its basketball game. idk why u dont get what im tryna say.
Oh we get it. It’s just completely illogical.
It’s like saying that since seat belts don’t prevent all traffic deaths, you may as well not drive at all or just go without.
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Or maybe they're striking an entirely reasonable balance between going about their lives in a mostly normal manner while also taking a helpful precaution?
This isn't hard.
Should we assume that since you're pro full crowds but anti-safety measures, you don't care at all about whether or not you pass on a disease that might kill the person sitting next to you?
reasonable balance is not going to a basketball game during record high covid rates imo. im not anti anything. just saying if ur going rn u dont care about potentially passing the deadly disiease on.
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Oh we get it. It’s just completely illogical.
It’s like saying that since seat belts don’t prevent all traffic deaths, you may as well not drive at all or just go without.
the allegory id like to use here is driving around town purely for fun. but instead of going 50 over ur now going 40 over. safer but still needlessly risking hurting u others. thats what the fiserv mask policy is
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yeah but ur still spreading it at an uneccesassry basketball game lol... if u guys really cared about spread wouldnt u all stay home??? its basketball game. idk why u dont get what im tryna say.
So stay home if you don’t want to wear a mask. It’s just a basketball game.
I’m guessing you’ll still go because wearing a mask isn’t a big inconvenience for you. Or you’ll be a big tough guy pretending to eat popcorn the whole time. Way to stick it to them!
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Obviously because just being a “doctor” doesn’t mean you know all things medical. I’m not taking advice on skin treatments from an ear, nose and through guy.
I was thinking that someone who comes here, offers him/herself up as an expert and then gives medical advice on how others should conduct themselves vis-a-vis a potentially deadly disease should at least have a basic understanding of the science and medical literature on the subject.
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the allegory id like to use here is driving around town purely for fun. but instead of going 50 over ur now going 40 over. safer but still needlessly risking hurting u others. thats what the fiserv mask policy is
I mean, why drive at all?
If you really cared, you'd never get behind the wheel.
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I mean, why drive at all?
If you really cared, you'd never get behind the wheel.
why drive purely for entertainment when its icy and people are around?
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My point is, a vast majority of the patients I see with COVID (whether critically ill or just a stuffy nose) were wearing masks to the best of their ability. Maybe it is possible you can actually wear a mask 100 percent of the time, go in public, and never get covid or spread it to others. Unlikely in my opinion and anecdotal. Maybe a tight fitting n95 at all times and never touch it. I have not studied mask wearing.
People can wear masks all they want or do whatever they want, but I guess my point is, get the vaccine if you are worried you are going to get very sick or die or have co morbidities with obesity being #1 in my experience (BEST ADVICE OF ALL IN MY OPINION - with the knowledge you still may catch a more mild case of COVID), and basically we have to move forward with treatments when people do end up testing positive and more forward with society undergoing infection and developing natural immunity.
Most of them I’ve seen, never wore a mask and don’t believe COVID exists.
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Fun! Battling doctors!
In this corner, MUDPT ... He's been around throughout the pandemic and has made numerous insightful, informative contributions to Scoop's Covid discussions.
And in that corner, geagles ... He just popped in for the first time in more than a year to say he's smarter than all the epidemiologists out there. His previous post, from Nov 2020, was a rip of Marquette for BLM patches, and his previous post to that was from March 2020 filled with "Covid is not even as bad as the flu."
Hmmm ... I wonder who "wins."
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Jesus. A mask can’t hurt and will help. Even if you don’t think a mask will help it won’t hurt anybody. You seriously can’t wear something on your face for two hours that might help others?
The same people b!tching about this not ending are the same people that do nothing to help it end.
Cura Personalis
It would make me feel better if you wore a dress to games. Will you do it?
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This isn't a dating site.
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Who has said "you will never get it or spread it" if vaccinated? I don't recall anyone saying vaccinations are 100% effective.
r u serious? Many of you on here hammered yours truly when I said months ago that vaccines do not prevent getting or transmitting covid. It was and is bizarre to me how all-in the majority on scoop are when it comes to Fauci, CDC. I love the dialogue on this. Keyboard name-calling, not so much.
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I'll play along ...
How does treating people in an ER setting make you an expert on the efficacy of masking? So much so, in fact, that your more credible than the volumes of peer-reviewed, published studies that contradict your opinion?
so, hammering on a MD makes you look foolish. Let me bring some basketball to this…you are down 20. Your best player fouled out. You have no time outs left. Your losing streak is at twelve. The crowd is booing.
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UNC-Charlotte becomes first major college in NC to block fans from sports events this season
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/charlotte-49ers/article256966972.html#storylink=cpy
The Charlotte 49ers are closing the doors to fans at home sporting events for about three weeks, due to surging COVID-19 infection rates attributed to the fast-spreading Omicron variant.
The 49ers are believed to be the first collegiate athletic program in the country to announce such a move, although dozens of college and professional basketball and hockey games are being postponed daily due to the surge.
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It would make me feel better if you wore a dress to games. Will you do it?
Hey Jay Bee. I am curious what your thoughts are on McClung being on the Bulls' bench?
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Hey Jay Bee. I am curious what your thoughts are on McClung being on the Bulls' bench?
The NBA’s dumb rules have resulted in a lot of scrubs joining teams for short stints. Need warm bodies.
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The NBA’s dumb rules have resulted in a lot of scrubs joining teams for short stints. Need warm bodies.
You mean like Aleem Ford on the Magic?
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The NBA’s dumb rules have resulted in a lot of scrubs joining teams for short stints. Need warm bodies.
I'm not sure if I'd call anyone a "scrub" if they are suiting up for an NBA team. Regardless of the circumstances. Perhaps you should give the kid some credit? Somehow he managed to reach this point and frankly I didn't see that possibility at all.
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The NBA’s dumb rules have resulted in a lot of scrubs joining teams for short stints. Need warm bodies.
Sammy Houuzzzer
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You mean the 80 yo fart who hasn't touched or seen a patient in 25 years? Da dude's 15 minutes of fame was up 21 months ago and should never have been the face of this pandemic to begin with? The same putz who is in bed with big pharma and the social media mega giants? Is that who I've discredited, hey?
Why did Donald J make such a big mistake in appointing him to such an “important” position that gave him so much public face time then, hey?
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It would make me feel better if you wore a dress to games. Will you do it?
So you don’t think masks do anything and are just to make people feel better. Got it.
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Why did Donald J make such a big mistake in appointing him to such an “important” position that gave him so much public face time then, hey?
Major fook up by Trump. Shoulda chit canned both Fr. Fauci and Birx early on. Kost 'im da election. Had he bin re-upped, FF woulda bin swallowed bye da all gone machine...neva two bea herd from again, hey?
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Trump's inability to be disciplined and on message during the pandemic is what cost him the election. This weird demonization of Fauci by Trump supporters is really strange.
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Trump took the route he did because he thought it would help him win. I believe that had he actually put it front and center, and stopped minimizing it he would have won. But his ego doesn’t ever let anyone appear to have more knowledge than him, and he seems to always need to fight the people that do, in almost any area.
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Trump took the route he did because he thought it would help him win. I believe that had he actually put it front and center, and stopped minimizing it he would have won. But his ego doesn’t ever let anyone appear to have more knowledge than him, and he seems to always need to fight the people that do, in almost any area.
If he would have rallied people around the fight against the virus, he would have won in a landslide. But that just isn’t his instinct.
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If he would have rallied people around the fight against the virus, he would have won in a landslide. But that just isn’t his instinct.
Yup, that’s why it was a landslide to Biden.