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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: auburnmarquette on December 27, 2021, 10:52:04 PM
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http://www.pudnersports.com/2021/12/horizon-league-top-15-mens-basketball.html?m=1
Obviously having 2 transfers go to UNC and Duke drew the most attention, but in calculating and writing about the top 15 players in all 32 conference, I realized Jamal Cain was actually in the top 1% of all players this season. Here is the Horizon League link - and yes www.valueaddbasketball.com is adjusted for opponents faced, which is why Jamal's 33 against Alabama was pretty enormous.
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I know it looks like 20/20 hindsight but I could never understand why Jamal had such a hard time getting and staying on the floor under Wojo, especially as an upper classman. He was never allowed to develop a flow and get comfortable. A complete mismanagement of his talents. The fact that he is blowing up now is no surprise to my very untrained eyes.
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Well ... it also sucks that Shaka could not get him to stay ( or Dawson Garcia).
Add one or both and this is a Far better team.
I’m happy for Cain. May go see Oakland play UWM
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I was actually very surprised he didn't transfer 1 or 2 years earlier the way he was not being used. Seemed to me he was wasting his time at MU under Wojo.
I would have liked to see him play under Smart and agree he would have added greatly to the teams success.
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He was one rumored to be leaving if the Hausers had stayed.
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Maybe Jamal stayed 4 years because he actually liked Marquette, because one of his best friends in the world was on the team, and because he also liked being around most of his other teammates.
Maybe he didn't like Joey and/or Sam, and once they were gone he saw an opportunity for team harmony, as well as for more playing time (which he received).
Maybe he didn't want to sit out a year, which he would have had to do under the old rules.
And I know this is unthinkable ... but maybe he didn't even hate the evil Wojo.
Maybe he didn't even give Shaka a chance to re-recruit him because he wanted his own team, and he knew that Marquette was gonna be all about Shaka and the rebuild.
Until Cain talks about any and all of that, all we can do here is speculate.
I'm very happy for Jamal's success. He always seemed like a good kid, and he improved a lot during his time at Marquette.
I never saw the NBA in his future, but I'd absolutely love to be wrong about that, just as we all were about Juan.
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Fair. And I wish him nothing but the best.
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It is amazing how much impact playing with confidence, or the inverse, can have on someone's play. In either case, it just feeds on itself. Jamal clearly had lost his confidence early on in his MU career to the point where it seemed like a sure turnover every time he touched the ball. As I recall, he was instantly pulled in many cases. It had to be incredibly frustrating for the coaches and it was hard to blame them at the time.
It becomes a chicken or the egg scenario...did he lose confidence because he was pulled all the time or was he just pulled all the time because he was too tight and so prone to mistakes? Perhaps if he had been allowed to play through it a bit more we would have seen glimpses of what he has become earlier. It seemed he played confident last year from the start, and he has just taken off from there.
Wish it was happening in a MU uniform, but couldn't be happier for him that he is flourishing.
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Happy for Jamal. But, seriously, he has had ample opportunity to show his game as a junior and senior at MU. He averaged about 30 mpg as a senior and had nowhere near the numbers he has this year. He simply was never meant to be a primary scorer at MU being behind Howard, the Hausers, Bailey, Garcia, Carton, etc. Sometimes moving down a level reallly helps. In any event, kudos to Jamal.
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He was one rumored to be leaving if the Hausers had stayed.
Why? They wanted to share the ball
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Playing differently - able to use athleticism vs. weaker opponents.
With MU 45% 3fga/fga %. This season, only 27.5% (and a weak 30.6% efg%).
59/81 for 72.8% at the rim this year. 46% of his FGA’s are at the rim because now he can get there.
A year ago, was 37/65 at the rim for 56.9%. Only 29% of his attempts were at the rim.
In evaluating HS guys, there are numerous who you know will likely go D1 and be ok, but it’s clear they could be studs at a MM or LM
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I look forward to following his Pro career.
Definitely a diamond in the rough.
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Morsell is # 83overall and #4 defensively of all players. Does MU beat UCONN if he plays? Scoopers here said it was a good thing he sat.
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Maybe next game against UCONN we'll have an answer.
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I agree with everything Ruby said. I’ll also add that Cain was given no leash when it came to turnovers despite everyone else having one…….especially Howard with every last possession with the game on the line. I loved Howard but talk about a guaranteed turnover when it came to the last possession. But if Cain turned it over once, Wojo pulled him quicker than Dean could call a timeout after play resumed. I’m happy for Cain and wish him well.
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Maybe Jamal stayed 4 years because he actually liked Marquette, because one of his best friends in the world was on the team, and because he also liked being around most of his other teammates.
Maybe he didn't like Joey and/or Sam, and once they were gone he saw an opportunity for team harmony, as well as for more playing time (which he received).
Maybe he didn't want to sit out a year, which he would have had to do under the old rules.
And I know this is unthinkable ... but maybe he didn't even hate the evil Wojo.
Maybe he didn't even give Shaka a chance to re-recruit him because he wanted his own team, and he knew that Marquette was gonna be all about Shaka and the rebuild.
Until Cain talks about any and all of that, all we can do here is speculate.
I'm very happy for Jamal's success. He always seemed like a good kid, and he improved a lot during his time at Marquette.
I never saw the NBA in his future, but I'd absolutely love to be wrong about that, just as we all were about Juan.
“Until Cain talks about any and all of that, all we can do here is speculate.” Isn’t that what Scoop is all about? Speculation? Conjecture?
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Playing differently - able to use athleticism vs. weaker opponents.
With MU 45% 3fga/fga %. This season, only 27.5% (and a weak 30.6% efg%).
59/81 for 72.8% at the rim this year. 46% of his FGA’s are at the rim because now he can get there.
A year ago, was 37/65 at the rim for 56.9%. Only 29% of his attempts were at the rim.
In evaluating HS guys, there are numerous who you know will likely go D1 and be ok, but it’s clear they could be studs at a MM or LM
JB, do you think Jamal would be useful on this team? We could certainly use the shooting and ability to rebound.
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JB, do you think Jamal would be useful on this team? We could certainly use the shooting and ability to rebound.
Absolutely. Would have him in the starting lineup.
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I know it looks like 20/20 hindsight but I could never understand why Jamal had such a hard time getting and staying on the floor under Wojo, especially as an upper classman. He was never allowed to develop a flow and get comfortable. A complete mismanagement of his talents. The fact that he is blowing up now is no surprise to my very untrained eyes.
I was actually very surprised he didn't transfer 1 or 2 years earlier the way he was not being used. Seemed to me he was wasting his time at MU under Wojo.
I would have liked to see him play under Smart and agree he would have added greatly to the teams success.
I agree with everything Ruby said. I’ll also add that Cain was given no leash when it came to turnovers despite everyone else having one…….especially Howard with every last possession with the game on the line. I loved Howard but talk about a guaranteed turnover when it came to the last possession. But if Cain turned it over once, Wojo pulled him quicker than Dean could call a timeout after play resumed. I’m happy for Cain and wish him well.
Yes. 100% to all the above. Wojo had a terrible sense/feel for how to handle mistakes, and a distinct double standard. Wojo was a confidence crusher if you weren't one of his favorites. The way he coached Deonte, JJJ, and Jamal was absurd. JJJ and Jamal should have transferred. I know I sure as hell would have if I were coached the way he coached those three players.
So unfortunate Shaka couldn't get Jamal to stay.
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I agree with everything Ruby said. I’ll also add that Cain was given no leash when it came to turnovers despite everyone else having one…….especially Howard with every last possession with the game on the line. I loved Howard but talk about a guaranteed turnover when it came to the last possession. But if Cain turned it over once, Wojo pulled him quicker than Dean could call a timeout after play resumed. I’m happy for Cain and wish him well.
So what you're saying is that a college basketball coach didn't treat a first-team All-American the same way he treated a role-playing reserve? That's preposterous!
There's a little selective memory going on with Jamal's situation.
When he was a sophomore, in 2018-19, we had a team that had one of the best 3-month stretches in the nation and moved into the top 10. Jamal was buried on the bench and was given the "short leash" treatment. That's quite common in such situations.
After The Lettermen left, Cain's playing time more than doubled. He averaged 18.4 mpg for the season and about 20 down the stretch. One could argue that Wojo was wrong to start Bailey and give Bailey more minutes in most games -- and it is an debate that went on constantly among Scoopers -- but it's not as if Cain didn't play about half of most games.
And his last season at MU, Jamal averaged 30 minutes, had the green light to shoot, was never yanked after TOs, etc.
He was a 3-star recruit, and his career progressed fairly similarly to that of many such recruits.
As to how he's doing as a Year 5 guy ... see the stats JB provided.
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Jamal is a unique case.
He probably was treated a bit unfairly over his career with Wojo. Not given consistent run even after mistakes.
But he’s blowing up now not just because he has more opportunity. It’s because he’s 6’7 athletic and in his 5th year playing the horizon league. If he was here this year he’s still be a solid piece(one I wish were here) but not some star.
He was a better shooter at MU cause he was taking mostly catch and shoot spot 3s. Now he’s got high usage and shooting from all over and his 3 pt shot is way down.
We’d be better off with Jamal this year by quite a bit imo. But I think Jamal himself is better off where he went. Glad he stuck around loyally for his standard college run.
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So what you're saying is that a college basketball coach didn't treat a first-team All-American the same way he treated a role-playing reserve? That's preposterous!
There's a little selective memory going on with Jamal's situation.
When he was a sophomore, in 2018-19, we had a team that had one of the best 3-month stretches in the nation and moved into the top 10. Jamal was buried on the bench and was given the "short leash" treatment. That's quite common in such situations.
After The Lettermen left, Cain's playing time more than doubled. He averaged 18.4 mpg for the season and about 20 down the stretch. One could argue that Wojo was wrong to start Bailey and give Bailey more minutes in most games -- and it is an debate that went on constantly among Scoopers -- but it's not as if Cain didn't play about half of most games.
And his last season at MU, Jamal averaged 30 minutes, had the green light to shoot, was never yanked after TOs, etc.
He was a 3-star recruit, and his career progressed fairly similarly to that of many such recruits.
As to how he's doing as a Year 5 guy ... see the stats JB provided.
Those are the facts. Happy to see Jamal get a nice run with a decent Horizon League team with that free extra season as an almost 23 year old.
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So what you're saying is that a college basketball coach didn't treat a first-team All-American the same way he treated a role-playing reserve? That's preposterous!
There's a little selective memory going on with Jamal's situation.
When he was a sophomore, in 2018-19, we had a team that had one of the best 3-month stretches in the nation and moved into the top 10. Jamal was buried on the bench and was given the "short leash" treatment. That's quite common in such situations.
After The Lettermen left, Cain's playing time more than doubled. He averaged 18.4 mpg for the season and about 20 down the stretch. One could argue that Wojo was wrong to start Bailey and give Bailey more minutes in most games -- and it is an debate that went on constantly among Scoopers -- but it's not as if Cain didn't play about half of most games.
And his last season at MU, Jamal averaged 30 minutes, had the green light to shoot, was never yanked after TOs, etc.
He was a 3-star recruit, and his career progressed fairly similarly to that of many such recruits.
As to how he's doing as a Year 5 guy ... see the stats JB provided.
100% a valid point. However, it is pretty rare to see a guy fall off so much from a promising freshman season to a sophomore one. My feeling during Jamal's sophomore year was that Wojo started off with an ultra quick hook on Jamal and his performance steadily declined. "Mind games" was meme'd here, but it just sucks as a player if you go out on the floor and know one mistake and you are coming out. You play tight which ultimately leads to poor performance. Bailey as a freshman got a longer leash and nearly 2x the minutes Jamal did as a sophomore.
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Those are the facts. Happy to see Jamal get a nice run with a decent Horizon League team with that free extra season as an almost 23 year old.
Nice way to slight Jamal's performance year to date. He's in the Top 1% of players in Value Add and has faced the 25th more difficult schedule. Hasn't even stepped foot into Horizon League play yet. Give the kid his due.
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Nice way to slight Jamal's performance year to date. He's in the Top 1% of players in Value Add and has faced the 25th more difficult schedule. Hasn't even stepped foot into Horizon League play yet. Give the kid his due.
What slight? I said he is having nice run. Factually, he is on a Horizon League team (where he is able to get a lot of usage which is probably what he was hoping for in his extra season of eligibility). Hope he continues his level of play thought out the season.
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Ok, fair enough. However, Howard is just one compatible. I recall several others leading Jamal in TO’s and having a much longer leash. Think Bailey, Joey Hauser, etc. Regardless, this has been discussed at length already. The point is, Jamal was treated unfairly and Wojo was to blame. Wojo couldn’t coach. Wojo played favorites and relied on his star players to win games. That is literally how he coached. Ie. give Ellenson the ball and everyone else watch. Give Howard the ball and every one else watch. It was terrible! Also, let’s say Jamal was worse at TO’s than I admit he was. What about his slashing ability, 3 pt shooting, defense and most of all rebounding? That dude soared for rebounds. If he was such a TO liability, how do you not coach around that in order to capitalize on all his other strengths I mentioned? The long and short of it was Wojo played favorites and was a horrible coach. Apparently, I’m not the only one who felt that way. I believe someone penned a letter about it. Someone that was much closer to the situation than you or I.
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100% a valid point. However, it is pretty rare to see a guy fall off so much from a promising freshman season to a sophomore one. My feeling during Jamal's sophomore year was that Wojo started off with an ultra quick hook on Jamal and his performance steadily declined. "Mind games" was meme'd here, but it just sucks as a player if you go out on the floor and know one mistake and you are coming out. You play tight which ultimately leads to poor performance. Bailey as a freshman got a longer leash and nearly 2x the minutes Jamal did as a sophomore.
I will totally agree that Wojo's "leash" was too short for Jamal as a sophomore. Most observers expected him to be a solid 20 mpg-ish sub but Wojo gave heavy usage to his starters, even after Joey hit the wall and even when Sacar was struggling. Maybe if Wojo had given Jamal more PT, Joey, Sam, Sacar and even Markus wouldn't have gotten so worn down as the season went on. A very legit criticism IMHO.
After that, though, Jamal's minutes more than doubled the next year and then went up 67% the following year, a pretty normal arc as a college athlete "figures things out."
So while I'll agree that Wojo probably did mess with Jamal's mind as a soph, the other 3 years of Jamal's Marquette career went about the way one would expect for most 3-stars who have definite strengths and weaknesses.
I'd also suggest that Jamal's Marquette experiences have contributed significantly to his break-out season at Oakland, and I think he made a very smart choice for himself.
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* comparable
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Wonder how Jamal would have fared with Mike Deane as coach and John Dawson as his PG
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I will totally agree that Wojo's "leash" was too short for Jamal as a sophomore. Most observers expected him to be a solid 20 mpg-ish sub but Wojo gave heavy usage to his starters, even after Joey hit the wall and even when Sacar was struggling. Maybe if Wojo had given Jamal more PT, Joey, Sam, Sacar and even Markus wouldn't have gotten so worn down as the season went on. A very legit criticism IMHO.
After that, though, Jamal's minutes more than doubled the next year and then went up 67% the following year, a pretty normal arc as a college athlete "figures things out."
So while I'll agree that Wojo probably did mess with Jamal's mind as a soph, the other 3 years of Jamal's Marquette career went about the way one would expect for most 3-stars who have definite strengths and weaknesses.
I'd also suggest that Jamal's Marquette experiences have contributed significantly to his break-out season at Oakland, and I think he made a very smart choice for himself.
Ugh, are the wojo supports still going on about "being worn down"? Hasn't it been proven time and time again that all the top teams were using 7 or 8 man rotations? None of them were "worn down"
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There was a summer when Markus took “younger” Jamal under his wing and trained with him. Those two were very close. I remember thinking it was a strange connection since Jamal is more of a “big” but I remember reading an article about Markus saying that Jamal was going to explode onto the scene.
He didn’t under wojo, but he is at Oakland. His coach there, who recently had Kendrick Nunn drafted and successful in the NBA (transferred over from UofI) has some connections in the NBA and is pushing for Jamal to get a look.
It is almost a guarantee that with the season he is having he will get a look, whether that is drafted or not I’m not sure but I would not be surprised if he was a second round pick.
He’s got the NBA length and athleticism, we all know that. He’s learning how to score at an elite level- albeit at a lower level- and who knows if that’ll travel next level. He has a decent looking stroke and was a very good shooter at MU. Hes also active defensively and with his athleticism should continue to become a good rebounder.
Some added big boy muscle and some decent/average handle and as the game continues to slow down for him I see an NBA kid that could be effective off the bench and continue to grow into a usable piece.
Oh and he also seems like an awesome guy- like Greg he was also a team player and never seemed to complained despite always seeming to have a quick hook for his mistakes.
Lets go Jamal.
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Jamal got a lot of breaks at MU.
Transfer of the Hauser Brothers.
Quitting of Brendan Bailey.
Tooks him time to polish his game.
If he keeps polishing his game the sky is the limit.
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Ugh, are the wojo supports still going on about "being worn down"? Hasn't it been proven time and time again that all the top teams were using 7 or 8 man rotations? None of them were "worn down"
Has nothing to do with "wojo supports." If you don't think Joey hit a wall, and that Sam and Markus were playing hurt, we'll agree to disagree; maybe Joey, Sam, Sacar and Markus all simply choked down the stretch, and their coach didn't know how to right the ship. I'm glad Wojo is gone and would have fired him halfway through last season.
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Wonder how Jamal would have fared with Mike Deane as coach and John Dawson as his PG
#FinalFour
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#FinalFour
Does the NIT count?
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Ok, fair enough. However, Howard is just one compatible. I recall several others leading Jamal in TO’s and having a much longer leash. Think Bailey, Joey Hauser, etc. Regardless, this has been discussed at length already. The point is, Jamal was treated unfairly and Wojo was to blame. Wojo couldn’t coach. Wojo played favorites and relied on his star players to win games. That is literally how he coached. Ie. give Ellenson the ball and everyone else watch. Give Howard the ball and every one else watch. It was terrible! Also, let’s say Jamal was worse at TO’s than I admit he was. What about his slashing ability, 3 pt shooting, defense and most of all rebounding? That dude soared for rebounds. If he was such a TO liability, how do you not coach around that in order to capitalize on all his other strengths I mentioned? The long and short of it was Wojo played favorites and was a horrible coach. Apparently, I’m not the only one who felt that way. I believe someone penned a letter about it. Someone that was much closer to the situation than you or I.
I agree with you and on many occasions shared your sentiments. I never understood why Jamal had such a short leash with Wojo. It was unfair and I believe stunted his development. He's also a great kid. I wish he stayed this season bit wish him nothing but the best.
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I wish Jamal continuing success.
NBA?? who cares... I want to see him on next summer's TBT team! He's exactly the type of young scorer they need!
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https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-05/7-mens-college-basketball-players-who-could-be-next-march-madness-breakout-star
I saw after posting that Andy Katz picked Jamal as one of 7 who could be this year's break out March Madness star and take Oakland in a run like Oral Roberts had last year. The argument about some players moving down a level is certainly valid, but in my ratings I do adjust precisely for defenses and offenses faced, so that does hold him down to 37th, but also he has faced Bama and wvu, and they've beaten ok state and Vermont, and it seems Katz saw enough to think he can play at that level in March.
My memory anecdotally was that he was really looking good against big east foes last year, and if you look at the screen shot from kenpom his numbers for conference play last year really look good and a lot closer to this years start. The other thing is he is sustaining the level of play playing 91 percent of the minutes which is hard to do. I remind people the year pistol Pete averaged 43 a game playing nonstop he did take 39 field goals a game - just to take an extreme case to note percentages drop off we you are out there the whole game (even Kobe became a below average player in games he had a huge number of minutes to play according to basketball on paper).
Mine of this is meant to argue on points made above on his earlier turnover rates etc, and this is still less than halfway through a season so who knows, but the numbers are quite remarkable and while it may have taken him until last year's conference play to figure it out I think he did close strong for us.
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Jamal with another 23 and 11 boards and 160 O-Rating in 30 minutes the other night against 235 Youngstown State.
As his head coach said, Jamal was usually the best player on the floor in their non-conference schedule that ranked as the 9th most difficult in the country - wait until he gets in Horizon league play. He's likely the MVP of that conference, and as his coach said, will get drafted.
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Is Jamal hurt or something? Just noticed his minutes and production have decreased the last few games. Though Oakland is still undefeated in conference.
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Is Jamal hurt or something? Just noticed his minutes and production have decreased the last few games. Though Oakland is still undefeated in conference.
I know at least one game was foul trouble. And I think he flat out didnt play against the random D2 team they played
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I know at least one game was foul trouble. And I think he flat out didnt play against the random D2 team they played
He fouled out each of the past two games.
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Is Jamal hurt or something? Just noticed his minutes and production have decreased the last few games. Though Oakland is still undefeated in conference.
Foul trouble. Aggressive team def
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I know at least one game was foul trouble. And I think he flat out didnt play against the random D2 team they played
He fouled out each of the past two games.
Foul trouble. Aggressive team def
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
You're welcome (but just for that one ;) )
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Jamal with another 23 and 11 boards and 160 O-Rating in 30 minutes the other night against 235 Youngstown State.
As his head coach said, Jamal was usually the best player on the floor in their non-conference schedule that ranked as the 9th most difficult in the country - wait until he gets in Horizon league play. He's likely the MVP of that conference, and as his coach said, will get drafted.
Kinda iffy on getting drafted, but I think he will play in the NBA. Great 3 point shooters who can run, rebound, and play 'D' are always in demand. If he plays with the intensity of Juan Anderson, he will make it as a bench guy who is part of a rotation somewhere. Be a great fit for a team like Memphis.
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Kinda iffy on getting drafted, but I think he will play in the NBA. Great 3 point shooters who can run, rebound, and play 'D' are always in demand. If he plays with the intensity of Juan Anderson, he will make it as a bench guy who is part of a rotation somewhere. Be a great fit for a team like Memphis.
I think Jamal definitely can land on an NBA roster. If he finishes strong, perhaps can get drafted. His coach certainly will be in GMs ears. Been a little surprised that he's struggled with this 3 point shot though this season at just 30.5%. He'll definitely need so show better than that in pre-draft workouts etc.
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Kinda iffy on getting drafted, but I think he will play in the NBA. Great 3 point shooters who can run, rebound, and play 'D' are always in demand. If he plays with the intensity of Juan Anderson, he will make it as a bench guy who is part of a rotation somewhere. Be a great fit for a team like Memphis.
IMO, Jamal is about 2.5 of those 4 things.
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From Jan 2 on…
103.4 ortg on 26.9% usage… 45.6% eFG thanks to 1/10 3FG. Monster assist rate of 3.1% (1 assist)
Has fouled out in last two… both close games.
Crown him!
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Jamal Cain will be playing at the Arena on Thursday night.
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Jamal had 18 points and 6 boards in 18 minutes in the game he fouled out
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Jamal had 18 points and 6 boards in 18 minutes in the game he fouled out
Jamal has fouled out in each of the last 2. In the 18 pt game he shot only 50.0% eFG%. The other recent eliminated-game he had 6p in 28m on 1/7 FG (0/3 3ptr)
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IMO, Jamal is about 2.5 of those 4 things.
I think that’s fair.
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Jamal Cain will be playing at the Arena on Thursday night.
Yes, all you Jamal fans in Milwaukee, come out and cheer him on vs. UWM tonight! I couldn't find any TV listing for this game, so get down to Panther Arena.
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Yes, all you Jamal fans in Milwaukee, come out and cheer him on vs. UWM tonight! I couldn't find any TV listing for this game, so get down to Panther Arena.
I would imagine Greg Elliott will be in attendance.
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Yes, all you Jamal fans in Milwaukee, come out and cheer him on vs. UWM tonight! I couldn't find any TV listing for this game, so get down to Panther Arena.
I'll be there in person. Yet, all Horizon League games are on ESPN+
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Jamal Cain will be playing at the Arena on Thursday night.
is Baldwin back
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I will also be at the game there tonight. hoping for a cain vs Baldwin matchup
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I’m thinking of hitting Shaka show at D and Bs before the arena. I would expect a big MUBB contingency tonight.
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I will also be at the game there tonight. hoping for a cain vs Baldwin matchup
baldwin back from injury?
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is Baldwin back
Word we get is day to day.
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I will also be at the game there tonight. hoping for a cain vs Baldwin matchup
Winner gets relegated to the pistons
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I’m thinking of hitting Shaka show at D and Bs before the arena. I would expect a big MUBB contingency tonight.
Where are your seats for the game tonight? My season tickets are in section 109.
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106—bought some on Stubhub.
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106—bought some on Stubhub.
Nice! Sweet view.
You might be able to move around. Crowds are small at the Arena. Any buzz from the summer with the PBJ commit is gone. He has missed most games. Also, waiting for Baldwin, Sr. walking papers in March for another re-boot that has been a train wreak for 6 years now.
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Nice! Sweet view.
You might be able to move around. Crowds are small at the Arena. Any buzz from the summer with the PBJ commit is gone. He has missed most games. Also, waiting for Baldwin, Sr. walking papers in March for another re-boot that has been a train wreak for 6 years now.
Our office is full of UWM alums, and we’ve had season tickets for years. Mostly unused. Dropped season tickets a few years back.
Heard there were some decent crowds early on.
Also have heard Baldwin Sr. Doesn’t utilize his son appropriately? Not the focal point of the offense.
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Winner gets relegated to the pistons
Fantastic line ... though I did FIFY. (Teal was totally unnecessary.)
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Our office is full of UWM alums, and we’ve had season tickets for years. Mostly unused. Dropped season tickets a few years back.
Heard there were some decent crowds early on.
Also have heard Baldwin Sr. Doesn’t utilize his son appropriately? Not the focal point of the offense.
You heard correct. EKY had a big crowd. Many games had solid student support. Yes, PBJ is used poorly by Dad. Baldwin will be done after this year. He is in year 5 of 5.
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Jamal with a 33.3% eFg% in a loss to Milwaukee last night. 0/4 from deep. Since after Jan 1, 1/14 from 3 for 7.1% and under 29% this season
Crown Him!!
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Jamal had a very tough night. Fouled out as well. Nice to See JLew, GE, and Michael Kennedy there to support their old teammate.
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Jamal with a 33.3% eFg% in a loss to Milwaukee last night. 0/4 from deep. Since after Jan 1, 1/14 from 3 for 7.1% and under 29% this season
Crown Him!!
And why exactly are you attacking him?
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Jamal had a very tough night. Fouled out as well. Nice to See JLew, GE, and Michael Kennedy there to support their old teammate.
There were several dozen MU supporters comprised of players, manager, support staff and top donors. Great showing by the #mubb family.
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And why exactly are you attacking him?
No dog in this fight but to me Jay Bee is attacking those who said he was playing like an all star. So he brought stats showing that in Jan he has been struggling.
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There were several dozen MU supporters comprised of players, manager, support staff and top donors. Great showing by the #mubb family.
More than UWM's fan base?
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And why exactly are you attacking him?
You know how you instinctively (and correctly) attack anyone who would support animal abuse? Jay Bee is like that for people who make basketball arguments that aren't backed up by statistics, part of his charm.
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Is Trey Townsend related to Todd? What with the alliteration and all.
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This is my first (and last) time ever looking at a UMW box score. Had no idea Vin Baker Jr played there.
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And Manute Bol’s nephew.
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Jamal with a 33.3% eFg% in a loss to Milwaukee last night. 0/4 from deep. Since after Jan 1, 1/14 from 3 for 7.1% and under 29% this season
Crown Him!!
Players have slumps. I'd imagine Jamal is having to adjust to being the focal point of opposition defenses. Weird he'd have played so much better against high majors prior to January 1 than Horizon league comp.
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Players have slumps. I'd imagine Jamal is having to adjust to being the focal point of opposition defenses. Weird he'd have played so much better against high majors prior to January 1 than Horizon league comp.
All about the scouting reports.
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Players have slumps. I'd imagine Jamal is having to adjust to being the focal point of opposition defenses. Weird he'd have played so much better against high majors prior to January 1 than Horizon league comp.
He’d probably fare better against NBA opponents tbh.
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He’d probably fare better against NBA opponents tbh.
I'd agree. Playing 1v1 vs a standard NBA talent is probably easier then playing 5v2.
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All about the scouting reports.
Scouting reports are easier in mid majors /low majors.
Stop the guy who scores.
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Jamal Cain had 26 points and 21 rebounds as Oakland beat Green Bay 68-61 on Saturday.
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Jamal Cain had 26 points and 21 rebounds as Oakland beat Green Bay 68-61 on Saturday.
Those are insane numbers. Great job, Jamal!
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Jamal Cain had 26 points and 21 rebounds as Oakland beat Green Bay 68-61 on Saturday.
Bo Jr. needs a massage.
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Jamal Cain had 26 points and 21 rebounds as Oakland beat Green Bay 68-61 on Saturday.
Can we offer him an Alumni Stud Of The Game . That is an awesome performance
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Jamal Cain had 26 points and 21 rebounds as Oakland beat Green Bay 68-61 on Saturday.
Great for Jamal!
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Bo Jr. needs a massage.
Who could imagine that hiring a young D2 coach with no success and middling experience, just cause of who his dad is, would lead to 1 non-con win in 2 seasons and regression?
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Bo Jr. needs a massage.
It’s really not going well. No buzz at all around the program.
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Who could imagine that hiring a young D2 coach with no success and middling experience, just cause of who his dad is, would lead to 1 non-con win in 2 seasons and regression?
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Who could imagine that hiring a young D2 coach with no success and middling experience, just cause of who his dad is, would lead to 1 non-con win in 2 seasons and regression?
And then the AD who hired him left for Akron less than a year later. But word is that firing Darner and hiring Ryan was all the work of their chancellor who took office last May.