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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 04, 2021, 01:30:27 PM
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1. Hung tough for a half. Eventually, enough mistakes that the deficit got a little too steep.
2. Kur. You aren't a freshman. Too many dumb fouls. The team needs you on the floor, because...
3. Osa is playing wonderfully on both ends. But he simply can't play 15 straight minutes Bigs wear out.
4. Kolek with some nice dimes. (Osa says thanks). But they have adjusted to him and his game. He needs to make the next adjustment.
5. Morsell averaged under 10 ppg over 125 games at Maryland. He had a hot start. The team needed more from him when the game was still in doubt.
6. That Davis kid had a pretty good game.
7. There are more options and progressions in a high pick and roll dribble drive set. I expect that as the season goes on, MU will start getting to them.
8. A young team had their first true road game in one of the toughest venues in all of America. Sometimes the results match the paradigm.
9. I have said for 6 months that for me this season is about the process, not the results. Learning to play good teams on their floor is a very difficult part of that process. It was a whuppin'. The only thing to do now is learn from it.
10. 38-2 still on the table.
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All about the journey. Disappointing day
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Should’ve worn the baby blues
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The bad: Most of it
The good: 1st half Oso
Defense was ineffective, and offense isn't good enough to overcome their defense. Sigh. Learn and move on...
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Call me crazy and I know I'm spinning but it's not actually a bad thing to get blasted for our first road game. This team lost its poise and you could see it coming . What most concerning was our defense in the 2nd half. I also think it's interesting that when the pace increased in tbe 2nd half you would have thought that was to our advantage. The exact opposite was true. Therefore, I'm wondering what the scoopers think about our tempo and matador press? We gave up like 60 points in 20 mins to a team that doesn't exactly score like the GSW.
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Muggsy, a Shaka coached team is going to press. A Nevada Smith coached team is going to play fast on offense. Full stop. This is what you are going to see the rest of the year.
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I like what I am seeing from EE . Hope we can see more of him in future games .
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Call me crazy and I know I'm spinning but it's not actually a bad thing to get blasted for our first road game. This team lost its poise and you could see it coming . What most concerning was our defense in the 2nd half. I also think it's interesting that when the pace increased in tbe 2nd half you would have thought that was to our advantage. The exact opposite was true. Therefore, I'm wondering what the scoopers think about our tempo and matador press? We gave up like 60 points in 20 mins to a team that doesn't exactly score like the GSW.
That horrifically ineffective press will kill MU vs the good teams.
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year. I think some people talked themselves into thinking that this team was going to be better than it is. We have too many true freshmen or players who are debuting with big minutes on the P6 level.
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Muggsy, a Shaka coached team is going to press. A Nevada Smith coached team is going to play fast on offense. Full stop. This is what you are going to see the rest of the year.
Tower, did the pace of the game help us or hurt us in the 2nd half? They basically scored every possession. We gave up 56 points to Wisconsin. What I'm saying is sometimes you have to adapt.
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year. I think some people talked themselves into thinking that this team was going to be better than it is. We have too many true freshmen or players who are debuting with big minutes on the P6 level.
What if they had a leader like Brad Davison?
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What if they had a leader like Brad Davison?
I'd cheer for another team.
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What if they had a leader like Brad Davison?
Gritty kid. Gym rat. Reminds me of Diener.
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year. I think some people talked themselves into thinking that this team was going to be better than it is. We have too many true freshmen or players who are debuting with big minutes on the P6 level.
How was Johnny Davis as a true freshman?
Face it, Shaka did not recruit well (freshman or transfers).
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How was Johnny Davis as a true freshman?
Face it, Shaka did not recruit well (freshman or transfers).
Here we go!
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year. I think some people talked themselves into thinking that this team was going to be better than it is. We have too many true freshmen or players who are debuting with big minutes on the P6 level.
This.
I figured this season would be a learning experience as players find their roles, learn the system, and grow together as a team.
Frankly, the early season was a surprise, with good wins against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WV. Yeah, this game sucked, but that is to be expected from a young team learning a system and their roles.
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Call me crazy and I know I'm spinning but it's not actually a bad thing to get blasted for our first road game. This team lost its poise and you could see it coming . What most concerning was our defense in the 2nd half. I also think it's interesting that when the pace increased in tbe 2nd half you would have thought that was to our advantage. The exact opposite was true. Therefore, I'm wondering what the scoopers think about our tempo and matador press? We gave up like 60 points in 20 mins to a team that doesn't exactly score like the GSW.
My feeling was that once the lead ballooned Shaka sort of gave the game up. That was what disappointed me most.
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Lewis needs to sit each and every time he overdribbles. Six TO's today, which I think was actually kind. And as soon as he learns that lesson, Stevie is next.
Kur was basically taken out of the game. This officiating crew was abysmal. Time after time they called fouls after it was apparent that the (WIS) shot was missed, not when the action occurred.
Good job by Oso but as Tower noted, no staying power.
Kudos to Kolek for the 8 dimes.
Gonna be a tough month, KSU becomes sort of a gotta have.
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How was Johnny Davis as a true freshman?
Face it, Shaka did not recruit well (freshman or transfers).
He was good, but inconsistent, and surrounded by upper-classmen with experience.
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That horrifically ineffective press will kill MU vs the good teams.
Was Illinois a good team? We forced 26 TOS. Kofi’s not a ball handler so don’t even try it. You’re still a turd.
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We don’t look anything like the team that beat Ole Miss and West Virginia right now…
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I like what I am seeing from EE . Hope we can see more of him in future games .
Spamming with this? And not really he is ok but lots of players ahead of him right now.
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We don’t look anything like the team that beat Ole Miss and West Virginia right now…
Wisconsin is better than both. Especially at home.
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Was Illinois a good team? We forced 26 TOS. Kofi’s not a ball handler so don’t even try it. You’re still a turd.
At the end of the year, you'll still be heralding that one single game.
That's fine, because it will be the only bright spot in the season.
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And I forgot to mention - Morsell might have been the B10 defensive player of the year, but not today.
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How was Johnny Davis as a true freshman?
Face it, Shaka did not recruit well (freshman or transfers).
This is a bold statement that I can’t wait to revisit in 2 years.
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This is a bold statement that I can’t wait to revisit in 2 years.
He won’t be posting here in two years
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I'd cheer for another team.
Good one, Zig.
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Spamming with this? And not really he is ok but lots of players ahead of him right now.
Hermie gets infatuated with certain players, past examples: Duane Wilson and JJJ. His infacuation of Ellis goes back to us hearing how Hermie reviewed Ellis's football tapes, etc. and it has been a constant since. Next will be love his energy, attitude, etc. while he is on bench. Ellis is very raw and is trying too hard when he gets in the game. Wish him well though.
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At the end of the year, you'll still be heralding that one single game.
That's fine, because it will be the only bright spot in the season.
You’re a miserable human being. Guess you think we should be 9-0 at this stage? With 10 freshman and 3 returning players?
7-2 start and 1-2 against Top 25 at this point is outstanding by any measure and expectation:
Bet you were unhappy after the IL win bc you thought we should’ve won by more, huh?
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Look, the bottom line this team has a relatively low margin for error on the offensive end. When we're missing shots we don't have that guy that can take over. Therefore, in order to play with any consistency, we're going to have to find a way to play 40 mins of solid defense.
Our transition defense has at times been a complete disaster . We also have gotten our press shredded which results in teams getting good shots. I understand Shaka has a style but I'm not sure we have the personnel to go balls to the wall with that philosophy. The increased pace in this game led to a Whisky team dropping 56 points in 20 mins. We had many unforced turns, quick shots, and were primarily on skates the entire 2nd half vs a team molasses slow. We picked up tons of cheap fouls as well. We simply have to do a better job controlling the game defensively if we're going to reach our ceiling imo.
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year. I think some people talked themselves into thinking that this team was going to be better than it is. We have too many true freshmen or players who are debuting with big minutes on the P6 level.
Agree
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Yeah, that guy who only shows up after losses can be really annoying. That guy actively rooting for a MU coach to fail can be a real pain in the tush.
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This is a bold statement that I can’t wait to revisit in 2 years.
Don't like the shooting form on any of the players. And as we've seen on MU teams previously, that's not an easy thing to correct.
Most of the misses aren't even close. Badgers had many rimming in and out in the first half and those fell later on.
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Yeah, that guy who only shows up after losses can be really annoying. That guy actively rooting for a MU coach to fail can be a real pain is the tush.
At least I gave it 2 full years before I jumped into the swamp. 8 games is a record I can’t even match.
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Don't like the shooting form on any of the players. And as we've seen on MU teams previously, that's not an easy thing to correct.
Most of the misses aren't even close. Badgers had many rimming in and out in the first half and those fell later on.
This is fun. So you’d feel better if our misses were rimming out? Got it.
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You’re a miserable human being. Guess you think we should be 9-0 at this stage? With 10 freshman and 3 returning players?
7-2 start and 1-2 against Top 25 at this point is outstanding by any measure and expectation:
Bet you were unhappy after the IL win bc you thought we should’ve won by more, huh?
No, the IL win was great. And they beat who they should have beat. But looking at the players individually, they weren't impressive at all overall, imo. The record was better than the talent. And I can't see them succeeding trying to press when that press is godawful and gets zero turnovers.
Big East season is coming and I can't see winning much with poor defense and guys that flat-out cannot shoot.
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This is fun. So you’d feel better if our misses were rimming out? Got it.
Yes, I would have felt better if those 3 pt shots were close rather than bricks that clanged off the side of the rim.
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Please explain Morsell:
First 4 games, 22.5 pts/game
Last 5 games, 8.6 pts/game
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No, the IL win was great. And they beat who they should have beat. But looking at the players individually, they weren't impressive at all overall, imo. The record was better than the talent. And I can't see them succeeding trying to press when that press is godawful and gets zero turnovers.
Big East season is coming and I can't see winning much with poor defense and guys that flat-out cannot shoot.
It’s becoming clear you are not watching the games.
So Morsell didn’t play well against IL?
WVU is another quality win.
Go be miserable, you must be a blast to hang with.
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Yes, I would have felt better if those 3 pt shots were close rather than bricks that clanged off the side of the rim.
Would you have though?
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Please explain Morsell:
First 4 games, 22.5 pts/game
Last 5 games, 8.6 pts/game
guy just fell off a cliff. idk what happened. ppl say it was just a hot streak but i think thats a bit to myopic. he had the ball way more in those first games. he looked very cool and confident out there. now he looks rattled with it and doesnt try to much anymore
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Please explain Morsell:
First 4 games, 22.5 pts/game
Last 5 games, 8.6 pts/game
1. Look at his body of work at Maryland.
2. There is tape of him now at MU and coaches make defensive adjustments.
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Morsell is who he is, and there aren't enough shooters on the roster to force guys to play off of him. Our offense feels extremely forced all around.
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Today, WI was red-hot and playing on their home court. First time they shot lights out three pointers all year. MU shooting was stone cold and playing on the road. WI will not continue this hot streak and MU will not continue their cold streak. There be days like this, it is just life. We will move on and things will be just fine.
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No, the IL win was great. And they beat who they should have beat. But looking at the players individually, they weren't impressive at all overall, imo. The record was better than the talent. And I can't see them succeeding trying to press when that press is godawful and gets zero turnovers.
Big East season is coming and I can't see winning much with poor defense and guys that flat-out cannot shoot.
The Illinois win was great, but remember they played without a potential First Team All American. Since his return Cockburn has been a beast averaging 24 points and 11 rebounds a game.
Remember what Tower has stated at least a hundred times, its a "Process". The process may not be what everyone wants at this point, but it is what it is. MU may lose the next five after what we observed today, against a very disciplined Wiskey team and the BE win totals may be very low. UCLA will absolutely destroy MU next week.
MU will win or lose with Shaka's system of aggressive defense (led to too many layups on full court press today), run and gun offense/tempo. The personnel he has now, utilizes the system on occasions, but against better teams it is a let"s see approach. Markus and Rowsey are not here to make the threes required in his offensive sets. Cam Jones and Joplin are only ones seemed capable and it will take awhile for them settling in. Team will be sometimes good, sometimes bad, but may be a long season.
Shaka's success will be based upon who comes in next year and as of now, his start is very, very slow. Morsell, Kuath, Elliott and in all likelihood Lewis will be gone. Throw in the usual player who transfers and all you got coming in are two recruits, one a 5ft 10 point guard, both of whom are not even ranked in the top 150 in their class. Maybe he will get some players from the transfer portal, but that is a way off. Lets hope for the best.
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I like what I am seeing from EE . Hope we can see more of him in future games .
This is one of my takeaways from the week.
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Please explain Morsell:
First 4 games, 22.5 pts/game
Last 5 games, 8.6 pts/game
He's pretty banged up right now playing through an injury
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He's pretty banged up right now playing through an injury
Did I miss this? Has the team made reference to what/how he got injured?
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At the end of the year, you'll still be heralding that one single game.
That's fine, because it will be the only bright spot in the season.
Your clear bias destroys any credibility you had. You’re pretty sad honestly
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Back to reality with this team. A very young inexperienced team that will lose a lot of games but hopefully will be better by the end of the year.
Badgers are and have always been a very disciplined team with great fundamentals. They run a system that has been in place for a long time. We are in the very beginning stages of learning our system. It will take time.
The offense will get much better. The defense will get better. I really like the potential of Jones and Joplin on the offensive end. We need someone who can score down low. Hopefully they can recruit a big with an offensive game for next year. Defensively in the half court, we jump too early on help defense leading to one pass to a wide open player. They will figure that out. 3/4 press is a work in progress that will have to be tweaked or shelved if it doesn't improve shortly.
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Box score
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401372004
10 minutes from Kur. Barely more than Greg or EE played.
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year.
Honestly, other than NoLonger's wildly negative attitude, and Goose and Bitcher's wildly optimistic attitude, I think most people have expectations about right.
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Good point. The vast majority here are pragmatic and have realistic expectations. The outliers get all of the attention. Much like life in general. Rocky, you ought to pin the preseason victory total thread to the top to illustrate your point.
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Honestly, other than NoLonger's wildly negative attitude, and Goose and Bitcher's wildly optimistic attitude, I think most people have expectations about right.
Good point. The vast majority here are pragmatic and have realistic expectations. The outliers get all of the attention. Much like life in general. Rocky, you ought to pin the preseason victory total thread to the top to illustrate your point.
Good points.
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The Illinois win was great, but remember they played without a potential First Team All American. Since his return Cockburn has been a beast averaging 24 points and 11 rebounds a game.
Remember what Tower has stated at least a hundred times, its a "Process". The process may not be what everyone wants at this point, but it is what it is. MU may lose the next five after what we observed today, against a very disciplined Wiskey team and the BE win totals may be very low. UCLA will absolutely destroy MU next week.
MU will win or lose with Shaka's system of aggressive defense (led to too many layups on full court press today), run and gun offense/tempo. The personnel he has now, utilizes the system on occasions, but against better teams it is a let"s see approach. Markus and Rowsey are not here to make the threes required in his offensive sets. Cam Jones and Joplin are only ones seemed capable and it will take awhile for them settling in. Team will be sometimes good, sometimes bad, but may be a long season.
Shaka's success will be based upon who comes in next year and as of now, his start is very, very slow. Morsell, Kuath, Elliott and in all likelihood Lewis will be gone. Throw in the usual player who transfers and all you got coming in are two recruits, one a 5ft 10 point guard, both of whom are not even ranked in the top 150 in their class. Maybe he will get some players from the transfer portal, but that is a way off. Lets hope for the best.
This seems like an overly negative interpretation.
First, after seeing enough games to get a handle on the Big East, I don't believe there is anyone other than perhaps Villanova that plays with the discipline of Wisconsin. If we faced 10 teams like Wisconsin, our win total in the Big East would be low. Fortunately, most of our opponents aren't playing at that level.
Second, while I am also disappointed that Shaka hasn't elevated our recruiting, I am heartened that most of the pre-season comments of how little we could expect from transfers and freshmen were incorrect. I said then (and still believe) that we have enough talent to compete in that middle tier of the Big East. I don't see us challenging Villanova or perhaps Uconn, but I wouldn't be surprised by a 3rd place finish. And the talent we have right now as Frosh and Sophs, we could build a team that will be recognized as a solid 2nd or 3rd place contender each year over the next three years.
Third, ESPN has Sean Jones listed at #83, quite a bit better than "not being ranked in the top 150." Hopefully, the poor rankings from other services were due to COVID-era travel restrictions that hindered visibility, as opposed to a fair evaluation of his talent.
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https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Shaka-Smart-after-MU-89-76-loss-to-23-Wisconsin-177271865/
Shaka post game.
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Honestly, other than NoLonger's wildly negative attitude, and Goose and Bitcher's wildly optimistic attitude, I think most people have expectations about right.
This. Pretty much everybody else has things figured out. A select few are weirdly skewed in one direction or another.
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Did I miss this? Has the team made reference to what/how he got injured?
watch who the trainer is working on pregame and during timeouts. It's pretty clear he's not healthy even though nothing has been said to media
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I guess I don’t know what people were expecting this year. I think some people talked themselves into thinking that this team was going to be better than it is. We have too many true freshmen or players who are debuting with big minutes on the P6 level.
Yup. I saw a lot of issues where UW was the better team. Defense. Passing. Consistency. Turnovers. Passing vs. dribbling to get open shots.
All of these are things that one would expect from a young, inexperienced team. It will get better.
The good news is that there is a lot of individual talent on this team. Just need to wait for it all to come together. Next year and the year after could be a lot of fun.
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We're pressing, but Shaka isnt ready to go full Havoc yet. This 1-2-2 we're running isnt Havoc.
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A bit disappointed with Kolek's lack of offensive progression. I like his game as a passer, but MU really needs him to score a bit more to expand his game. Right now Lewis is the offensive identity and he is still trying to find his stride. Can be sloppy or a little too physical. Oso is becoming a pleasant surprise. Greg has been a non-factor since he return. Wonder how much the suspension affected his slow start.
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MU has run a number of different sets out of the 1-2-2.
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The best player on the court, by far, was Davis. Hardly surprising, many of us said that would be the case. He is going to make a whole lot of money after this season.
Unfortunately, the second-best player on the court was Floppy McDickpuncher. His corner 3 on the inbounds play after we had cut it to 8 was a real dagger. Him being a difference-maker sucked almost as bad as the loss did. Actually, might have sucked more. But he still lost 3 of his 5 games against us, and his choke-jobs in a couple of those losses made him directly responsible for sadness in Madison. So there!
This team has trouble winning any game if 2 of Morsell, Lewis and Kolek don't play well, and we probably won't beat any good team if all 3 aren't plus players for us.
I almost hope Morsell is a little dinged up -- and, of course, that he gets fully healthy very soon -- because that's a much less worrisome explanation than reversion to mean. These last 5 games (that's more than half the games so far) his scoring average is about what it was in 4 years at Maryland.
Re-read the Shaka quote that's in my tagline: “A lot of the stuff that we believe in and that I’ve always believed in — it takes time. It’s not a quick fix. It’s not an instant-gratification thing. It’s a drip-by-drip process.”
I'm thrilled we won the games we did, and I'm an optimist who remains hopeful for a top-5 finish in the Big East and an NCAA bid. But I completely agree with Shaka about it being a drip-by-drip process. We'll see.
And speaking of drips ...
It's sad that anybody who claims to be a Marquette fan would actively root against the team, as a few mopes did last season and as at least one twat is doing this season. Guys who don't have the onions to come here after wins because they're waiting to drop the hammer after losses ... pathetic.
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Wasn’t able to watch. Did we score 50?
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28-2 is still on the table.
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Spamming with this? And not really he is ok but lots of players ahead of him right now.
Elite 8ish
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First true road game of the year. Solid first half. Davison played above his usual game.
Rough game for JLew. Kur in early foul trouble. Poor shooting day from 3. Oso a big bright spot. His chemistry with Kolek is really good. Need better shooting from Kolek and the staff thinks he's a better shooter than what he's shown so far.
Takeaway for the day for me was Johnny Davis. Silky smooth player. He keeps playing at the level he did today, he might have lottery pick potential.
Still think our team has nice potential, and can be an NCAA team. If you consider this team could have 3 more years of Kolek, Kam, Oso, Joplin, Mitchell (he's trying to do too much/play too fast right now), O-Max, Ellis - where that team could be in 3 years is special. I left Justin Lewis off of that list as he very well could go pro after next season (wouldn't think he'd try to go pro after this year despite being in some mock drafts/second rounds)
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Wasn’t able to watch. Did we score 50?
Bucky did…in the second half.
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We need to do a much better job finishing and being under control in the paint. Use the floater, the shot fake, and stop being in a rush. Just relax and finish a two foot shot.
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Bucky did…in the second half.
If only Tan Crean were our coach. How's Georgia doing in Year 3 of the Tan Crean era, Chicos? KenPom has them at 162.
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Bucky did…in the second half.
There he is!
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First true road game of the year. Solid first half. Davison played above his usual game.
Rough game for JLew. Kur in early foul trouble. Poor shooting day from 3. Oso a big bright spot. His chemistry with Kolek is really good. Need better shooting from Kolek and the staff thinks he's a better shooter than what he's shown so far.
Takeaway for the day for me was Johnny Davis. Silky smooth player. He keeps playing at the level he did today, he might have lottery pick potential.
Still think our team has nice potential, and can be an NCAA team. If you consider this team could have 3 more years of Kolek, Kam, Oso, Joplin, Mitchell (he's trying to do too much/play too fast right now), O-Max, Ellis - where that team could be in 3 years is special. I left Justin Lewis off of that list as he very well could go pro after next season (wouldn't think he'd try to go pro after this year despite being in some mock drafts/second rounds)
I totally agree with your Mitchell comment. He plays decent D, but he really struggles with the ball in hands as was the case right before half when he lost the ball as the shot clock expired. He also can't penetrate against the better teams because he isn't strong enough "yet". He does try to do too much and just needs to slow down as his game will come in time. I rather see Kam have the minutes due to his outside shot being more of a threat. Both guys are fun to watch and will make this a dangerous team in the years to come.
It's only one game...beat Kansas State and get back on track!
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It's only one game and our first road game but does anyone have some ideas how to best tweak our line-up? It seems to me in the half-court Kolek has all the responsibility to create offense. We get super stagnant and ball-stop with a lot of overdribbling. We really need Morsell and Jones to create more, not just try to score. Move the basketball and maybe use our bigs more in the wide or high post?
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Please explain Morsell:
First 4 games, 22.5 pts/game
Last 5 games, 8.6 pts/game
All Marquette’s reach equilibrium.
He won’t be the 10ppg scorer he was at Maryland (if he is then uh oh).
He won’t be the 20ppg scorer he was in the first 4.
Likely, and at this point hopefully, right in the middle at around 15ppg to go along with solid leadership and excellent defense.
That defense though… let’s see more of it
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That defense though… let’s see more of it
I know the popular talking point is that our defense will wear teams down throughout the game. My bigger concern though, is that our defense will lead to fatigue & injuries as the season goes on. I appreciate the effort, I just don't know that it's sustainable as the season wears on.
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I know the popular talking point is that our defense will wear teams down throughout the game. My bigger concern though, is that our defense will lead to fatigue & injuries as the season goes on. I appreciate the effort, I just don't know that it's sustainable as the season wears on.
Are you saying we wore ourselves out by the 2nd half today and it played a role in the unconscionable weasel barrage?
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Box score
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401372004
10 minutes from Kur. Barely more than Greg or EE played.
A few main points/takeaways from me
1- Very odd game. It’s easy to forget after that abysmal 2nd half but MU was actually up with under 18 minutes left.
On the road, versus a good team, so it’s not all brutal.
Never really felt like a “blowout type” game until it was, escalated quickly.
2- I think Shaka messed this one up. Matador defense for the remainder of the game and very little Kur and Omax.
Kur had some fouls, sure. I’d love to see more from Omax. However, Prosper had a nice stretch offensively in the 1H and is a solid defender, interior presence. Kur changes the game at the rim. Wisconsin was scoring with ease and Shaka didn’t adjust.
Imo needed more of Kur and Omax today.
He’s still been overall great this season but today it seemed like it got away from him a bit. He’s human, and as a local he understands the importance of the rivalry to MU fans and perhaps his first true road game got the best of him as well. It happens.
3- Davis was clearly the best player on the court and he’s probably one of the most talented offensive players I’ve ever seen at UW. I think he will be a great NBA player too, very diversified offensive skill set and makes things look relatively “easy” like DWade used to do at MU.
4- Davidson’s a douche. Those jerseys were disturbing.
5- This December is scary, let’s pull one out versus the fighting Bruce Weber’s.
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Morsel had about 3-4 possessions where he had a good look and it rimmed out. UW-M scored on the corresponding possession and it was curtains. This team is young and doesn’t have great scoring options. The UW-M fans seemed rather happy beating a team with 9 frosh and new coach with a player who hits people in the groin. God bless em. Moving on.
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A few main points/takeaways from me
1- Very odd game. It’s easy to forget after that abysmal 2nd half but MU was actually up with under 18 minutes left.
On the road, versus a good team, so it’s not all brutal.
Never really felt like a “blowout type” game until it was, escalated quickly.
2- I think Shaka messed this one up. Matador defense for the remainder of the game and very little Kur and Omax.
Kur had some fouls, sure. I’d love to see more from Omax. However, Prosper had a nice stretch offensively in the 1H and is a solid defender, interior presence. Kur changes the game at the rim. Wisconsin was scoring with ease and Shaka didn’t adjust.
Imo needed more of Kur and Omax today.
He’s still been overall great this season but today it seemed like it got away from him a bit. He’s human, and as a local he understands the importance of the rivalry to MU fans and perhaps his first true road game got the best of him as well. It happens.
3- Davis was clearly the best player on the court and he’s probably one of the most talented offensive players I’ve ever seen at UW. I think he will be a great NBA player too, very diversified offensive skill set and makes things look relatively “easy” like DWade used to do at MU.
4- Davidson’s a douche. Those jerseys were disturbing.
5- This December is scary, let’s pull one out versus the fighting Bruce Weber’s.
Great synopsis as usual Dr. V. Those unis were seriously revolting and disturbing.
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If only Tan Crean were our coach. How's Georgia doing in Year 3 of the Tan Crean era, Chicos? KenPom has them at 162.
The Billy is chicos meme is tired, dumb, and wrong.
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Are you saying we wore ourselves out by the 2nd half today and it played a role in the unconscionable weasel barrage?
No, that was just bad defense.
I'm concerned MU will play worse defense as the season progresses because the guys will be worn down, hurt, or fatigued.
I understand why fans find Shaka's style exciting - and it can be when it works. But working or not, it requires a lot of effort every game to sustain. It's not a physically efficient defense.
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First true road game of the year. Solid first half. Davison played above his usual game.
Rough game for JLew. Kur in early foul trouble. Poor shooting day from 3. Oso a big bright spot. His chemistry with Kolek is really good. Need better shooting from Kolek and the staff thinks he's a better shooter than what he's shown so far.
Takeaway for the day for me was Johnny Davis. Silky smooth player. He keeps playing at the level he did today, he might have lottery pick potential.
Still think our team has nice potential, and can be an NCAA team. If you consider this team could have 3 more years of Kolek, Kam, Oso, Joplin, Mitchell (he's trying to do too much/play too fast right now), O-Max, Ellis - where that team could be in 3 years is special. I left Justin Lewis off of that list as he very well could go pro after next season (wouldn't think he'd try to go pro after this year despite being in some mock drafts/second rounds)
I agree with this take. This is right where I’m at with this team now and in the future.
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Rebounding. We did it in the first half, we did not do it in the second half.
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Morsel had about 3-4 possessions where he had a good look and it rimmed out. UW-M scored on the corresponding possession and it was curtains. This team is young and doesn’t have great scoring options. The UW-M fans seemed rather happy beating a team with 9 frosh and new coach with a player who hits people in the groin. God bless em. Moving on.
I also agree with this. When we weren’t turning the ball over there were possessions with shots that rimmed out. A few go in and it’s a closer loss.
Davis was the best player on the court. I think our overall talent aside from him is better. Hopefully the kid goes pro next year and MU starts a run of dominance.
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A few main points/takeaways from me
1- Very odd game. It’s easy to forget after that abysmal 2nd half but MU was actually up with under 18 minutes left.
On the road, versus a good team, so it’s not all brutal.
Never really felt like a “blowout type” game until it was, escalated quickly.
2- I think Shaka messed this one up. Matador defense for the remainder of the game and very little Kur and Omax.
Kur had some fouls, sure. I’d love to see more from Omax. However, Prosper had a nice stretch offensively in the 1H and is a solid defender, interior presence. Kur changes the game at the rim. Wisconsin was scoring with ease and Shaka didn’t adjust.
Imo needed more of Kur and Omax today.
He’s still been overall great this season but today it seemed like it got away from him a bit. He’s human, and as a local he understands the importance of the rivalry to MU fans and perhaps his first true road game got the best of him as well. It happens.
3- Davis was clearly the best player on the court and he’s probably one of the most talented offensive players I’ve ever seen at UW. I think he will be a great NBA player too, very diversified offensive skill set and makes things look relatively “easy” like DWade used to do at MU.
4- Davidson’s a douche. Those jerseys were disturbing.
5- This December is scary, let’s pull one out versus the fighting Bruce Weber’s.
Yes all of this, also I thought he sort of gave it up a bit too quick, he seemed very passive way too early.
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I know the popular talking point is that our defense will wear teams down throughout the game. My bigger concern though, is that our defense will lead to fatigue & injuries as the season goes on. I appreciate the effort, I just don't know that it's sustainable as the season wears on.
So Shaka getting ready for "our players are tired" excuse if season starts going South?
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It flat out was a bad performance by MU. Kur is a difference maker on the court and he needs to be out there more minutes. My overly optimistic opinion is still there and believe there will be better days ahead. There is room for improvement across the board and I think we will see serious individual improvements which will lead to overall improvement.
I have seen enough flashes from everyone, minus GE, to believe they will improve as season moves on. Honestly, they have not looked great aside from spurts in some games. I was not expecting perfection and being 7-2 with how they have played is an accomplishment, IMO.
I said earlier in the year, if things go as planned this will be the worst talent level of any Shaka team moving forward. I’m far from jumping off the train.
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Nobody is jumping off the train, Goose. A couple of people were never on it.
I like the fact that the entire team has a green light to shoot 3's. This, to me, is establishing culture. One of playing without fear. Assuming they stay together, in a couple of seasons this group will be hitting 3's in the high 30's and finishing more strongly at the basket. It will be a lot of fun.
It is easy to lose sight of the long term big picture in the middle of a whuppin'.
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I would be surprised if the there were a lot of players still here in 2-3 years. I do agree on building the culture and that is the key to long term success. My gut tells me that we will have a big number of newcomers again next season, especially transfers that fit the culture. To be honest, I am counting on big turnover and a higher level if talent. That said, I do believe that all of the young guys have upside.
My only negative thus far would be that our two best players are playing to showcase with the hopes of playing at the next level. The good news on that, it appears they both look like they are team guys and want to win.
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A few main points/takeaways from me
1- Very odd game. It’s easy to forget after that abysmal 2nd half but MU was actually up with under 18 minutes left.
On the road, versus a good team, so it’s not all brutal.
Never really felt like a “blowout type” game until it was, escalated quickly.
2- I think Shaka messed this one up. Matador defense for the remainder of the game and very little Kur and Omax.
Kur had some fouls, sure. I’d love to see more from Omax. However, Prosper had a nice stretch offensively in the 1H and is a solid defender, interior presence. Kur changes the game at the rim. Wisconsin was scoring with ease and Shaka didn’t adjust.
Imo needed more of Kur and Omax today.
He’s still been overall great this season but today it seemed like it got away from him a bit. He’s human, and as a local he understands the importance of the rivalry to MU fans and perhaps his first true road game got the best of him as well. It happens.
3- Davis was clearly the best player on the court and he’s probably one of the most talented offensive players I’ve ever seen at UW. I think he will be a great NBA player too, very diversified offensive skill set and makes things look relatively “easy” like DWade used to do at MU.
4- Davidson’s a douche. Those jerseys were disturbing.
5- This December is scary, let’s pull one out versus the fighting Bruce Weber’s.
Nice recap, V.
1. We used a 9-2 mini-run to pull within 8 with 8:34 left on Lewis' 3-pointer. It looked like we then got a stop when Hepburn missed but we couldn't get the rebound and it went out of bounds off us. Gard then ran a nice IB play that resulted in Davison hitting a 3. That got the crowd back into the game ... and a minute later we were down 16. Lewis turned the ball over and missed a 3 during that span. Game over. As you said, it escalated quickly, but that's not unusual. We all know basketball is a game of runs, and if a team doesn't keep its poise during a key stretch, a game can get out of hand.
2. I'm still in the "give Shaka the benefit of the doubt" phase. I'm still assuming he knows more about what his players can give him in each situation that we do. That doesn't mean I think your suggestions are wrong; I simply don't know.
3. I like the Davis/Wade comparison. That's not you saying Davis will be as good as Wade; again, we don't know but he almost surely won't given that Wade is an all-time top-25 player. But you're right about the way Davis plays -- very smooth with occasional explosion.
4. Yes and yes.
5. We got this!
It flat out was a bad performance by MU. Kur is a difference maker on the court and he needs to be out there more minutes. My overly optimistic opinion is still there and believe there will be better days ahead. There is room for improvement across the board and I think we will see serious individual improvements which will lead to overall improvement.
I have seen enough flashes from everyone, minus GE, to believe they will improve as season moves on. Honestly, they have not looked great aside from spurts in some games. I was not expecting perfection and being 7-2 with how they have played is an accomplishment, IMO.
I said earlier in the year, if things go as planned this will be the worst talent level of any Shaka team moving forward. I’m far from jumping off the train.
There's absolutely no reason to "jump off the train," and nobody who was on the train to begin with has jumped off. We probably weren't as good as 7-1, and we hopefully weren't as bad as yesterday's worst stretches. I'm sticking with Shaka (and some Scoopers) who called it a drip-by-drip process.
As for Kur's low minutes in most games, including yesterday's ... I'm trusting that Shaka knows things about Kur already that you, I and the rest of Scoop don't know yet.
When we weren’t turning the ball over there were possessions with shots that rimmed out. A few go in and it’s a closer loss.
I thought we had too many shots that either were quick without any passing or that came when a guy got the ball inside the frontcourt and dribbled until he took the shot. That some of those almost went in doesn't make them "good" shots IMHO. Our offense seems to be at its best when Kolek, Stevie or Morsell are creating opportunities for themselves or others. A lot of those good-looking-but-not-going-in shots played into Wisconsin's defensive plan IMHO.
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We can all hope Johnny Davis is taken in the NBA draft this coming year, so we don't need to face him next year.
Very few years MU can match up to UW with length.
Upper classman needed to show up for this game to lead the near arrivals.
Didn't happen.
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I have to admit that Davis was even better than I expected him to be. A ton of talent, poise and he showed composure when he has the ball. Having the best player on the court, but a fairly wide margin, makes a big difference in college basketball. Dwade was the best player on the court in almost, if not all, of the games he played at MU and that was what made those two years special.
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Davis was great, but I was really disappointed in two things from MU. First, the defensive focus and intensity was awful, even in the first half. If UW makes some close ones after beating the "press" MU is down double digits at half.
The second is on everyone... This game followed a very similar script to the Bonnies game. Not only did the players not learn much from that whooping, it appears the staff didn't either. The team was clearly panicking, forcing things, trying to get 10 points back on a single trip. I'm all for letting them work through it to a point, but there were times where I was begging Shaka to call a timeout and slow the guys down a bit.
When it got to 8 at the first part of UW's run, you could totally see what was coming next. I'd hope the head coach could recognize that too.
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I would be surprised if the there were a lot of players still here in 2-3 years. I do agree on building the culture and that is the key to long term success. My gut tells me that we will have a big number of newcomers again next season, especially transfers that fit the culture. To be honest, I am counting on big turnover and a higher level if talent. That said, I do believe that all of the young guys have upside.
My only negative thus far would be that our two best players are playing to showcase with the hopes of playing at the next level. The good news on that, it appears they both look like they are team guys and want to win.
I couldn’t have said it better on all points. Personally, I think Shaka did a great job this off-season slapping a roster together that will compete on most nights. He had the help of immediately eligible transfers to do so. We’re a bit better this season than most fans would have expected, but this is still just the first step in the culture shift we will see in the coming years. By year 3, I think MU will really be a force to be reckoned with. In the meantime, I think Shaka has the coaching chops to get these guys to the postseason.
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We can all hope Johnny Davis is taken in the NBA draft this coming year, so we don't need to face him next year.
If he makes himself available, he will be a first-round draft pick. I haven't seen him placed that high in most of the mock drafts I've seen, but most were done before this college season. He's a hell of a player.
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Morsel had about 3-4 possessions where he had a good look and it rimmed out. UW-M scored on the corresponding possession and it was curtains. This team is young and doesn’t have great scoring options. The UW-M fans seemed rather happy beating a team with 9 frosh and new coach with a player who hits people in the groin. God bless em. Moving on.
In all fairness, we'd be happy too in beating a young team that mirrors ourselves. I am the furthest thing from a badger fan, but keep in mind, they are fairly young as well. I rather take Marquette's youth than theirs though. Outside of Davis and the flopper Davison, I don't think they have a whole lot to be excited about, but I say that going into each year, yet Gard gets it done to a respectful level. Credit Gard in this win as that has nothing to do with Shaka, but more or less Gard finding ways to use his strengths come 2nd half. Davis is really good and from a basketball perspective fun to watch.
Madison doesn't seem to appreciate Gard as they think everyone needs to be the next coming of Bo.
I've read some other threads and agree, I still think Shaka is trying to find the right mix of players. We go very deep and there are some pros and cons when we do that based on short vs long term development. I keep thinking "Stevie" is one of those guys that needs to probably sit a bit more for now....."slow down Stevie"!
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If he makes himself available, he will be a first-round draft pick. I haven't seen him placed that high in most of the mock drafts I've seen, but most were done before this college season. He's a hell of a player.
The comparison to how Davis makes the game look easy, similar to how D-Wade did while at MU was a good one. Smooth. Long. Athletic. Good shooter. He put on a clinic yesterday.
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Davis is more polished offensively then Wade at this age. Jaden Ivey is more like Wade, way higher ceiling.
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If he makes himself available, he will be a first-round draft pick. I haven't seen him placed that high in most of the mock drafts I've seen, but most were done before this college season. He's a hell of a player.
Could well be. Though, he likely does need to get stronger.
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Stephen Curry never appeared to be the strongest looking guy out there.
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I would be surprised if the there were a lot of players still here in 2-3 years. I do agree on building the culture and that is the key to long term success. My gut tells me that we will have a big number of newcomers again next season, especially transfers that fit the culture. To be honest, I am counting on big turnover and a higher level if talent. That said, I do believe that all of the young guys have upside.
My only negative thus far would be that our two best players are playing to showcase with the hopes of playing at the next level. The good news on that, it appears they both look like they are team guys and want to win.
What, exactly, is the "culture" that Shaka's trying to bring?
Fast paced with guys that aren't good shooters jacking up the first 3 they see?
A passive press that doesn't achieve much other than maybe tiring out our own guys and gives up wide open shots or dunks for the opponent? They gave up a gigantic amount of points to the freaking slow-down Badgers. You have to adjust your preferred style of play if the players just aren't talented enough to thrive at it.
I do agree that the best case scenario is that this year's kind of rag-tag group is just a stop-gap and guys that can actually shoot will be brought in next year.
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Davis won’t turn pro. He loves college and wants to get his Agricultural Journalism degree so he can host a sports talk radio show
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Could well be. Though, he likely does need to get stronger.
Almost ever college player needs to get stronger. That doesn’t stop many first-round draft picks from declaring for the draft.
Davis won’t turn pro. He loves college and wants to get his Agricultural Journalism degree so he can host a sports talk radio show
What’s not to love?
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What, exactly, is the "culture" that Shaka's trying to bring?
Fast paced with guys that aren't good shooters jacking up the first 3 they see?
A passive press that doesn't achieve much other than maybe tiring out our own guys and gives up wide open shots or dunks for the opponent? They gave up a gigantic amount of points to the freaking slow-down Badgers. You have to adjust your preferred style of play if the players just aren't talented enough to thrive at it.
I do agree that the best case scenario is that this year's kind of rag-tag group is just a stop-gap and guys that can actually shoot will be brought in next year.
Bring back Wojo. Now that guy brought in some shooters.
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Almost ever college player needs to get stronger. That doesn’t stop many first-round draft picks from declaring for the draft.
What’s not to love?
He’ll get stronger in the NBA like everybody does. I don’t think strength is currently a limiting factor for him. I think he’d have a solid rookie season next year for whomever takes him. He has a really great game and he’s not as much of a douche like some of the others they’ve had in the past (Hayes, dekker, Kaminsky, etc).
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What, exactly, is the "culture" that Shaka's trying to bring?
Fast paced with guys that aren't good shooters jacking up the first 3 they see?
A passive press that doesn't achieve much other than maybe tiring out our own guys and gives up wide open shots or dunks for the opponent? They gave up a gigantic amount of points to the freaking slow-down Badgers. You have to adjust your preferred style of play if the players just aren't talented enough to thrive at it.
I do agree that the best case scenario is that this year's kind of rag-tag group is just a stop-gap and guys that can actually shoot will be brought in next year.
I'm looking forward to you mobilizing the big-money donors so you can get Shaka fired and bring in Coach K.
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He would be more likely to try to get hologram Rupp.
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Good article on Davis. Love Chucky Hepburn comment . Shaka had a good one too.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Wisconsin-Badgers-basketball-Johnny-Davis-continues-scoring-tear-against-Marquette-basketball-177308257/
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I'm looking forward to you mobilizing the big-money donors so you can get Shaka fired and bring in Coach K.
Shaka's at MU for as long as he chooses. Lifetime tenure if he wants it.
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Davis won’t turn pro. He loves college and wants to get his Agricultural Journalism degree so he can host a sports talk radio show
😂😂
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Shaka's at MU for as long as he chooses. Lifetime tenure if he wants it.
Not if you're able parlay your superior knowledge into a job as either Marquette AD or Marquette president. Before your introductory press conference, you can send Shaka packing. Good luck with your application!
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Shaka Smart is very smart coach. He clearly knew, and now knows, that the defense they played resulted a team shooting 70% in the 2nd half. The reality is that MU will lose a lot of games because of that defensive philosophy. The trade-off is that, over time, the defense (and talent) will improve, and it will result in victories. It's a process, and it requires patience. I have to remind myself of that, too.
What, exactly, is the "culture" that Shaka's trying to bring?
Fast paced with guys that aren't good shooters jacking up the first 3 they see?
A passive press that doesn't achieve much other than maybe tiring out our own guys and gives up wide open shots or dunks for the opponent? They gave up a gigantic amount of points to the freaking slow-down Badgers. You have to adjust your preferred style of play if the players just aren't talented enough to thrive at it.
I do agree that the best case scenario is that this year's kind of rag-tag group is just a stop-gap and guys that can actually shoot will be brought in next year.
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All of the talk before the game surrounded 'tempo' and how important that would be. Whoever controls the tempo will win the game I heard/read over and over. Interestingly, MU did control the tempo, the game had more possessions than MU's season average. I think that speaks to how bad our defense was. Allowing a team like Wisconsin to score like they did even when being sped up beyond their normal style, is not a good sign.
Admittedly, UW appears to be much better than expected so far this season, but that still was a very bad defensive performance on Saturday.
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Shaka Smart is very smart coach. He clearly knew, and now knows, that the defense they played resulted a team shooting 70% in the 2nd half. The reality is that MU will lose a lot of games because of that defensive philosophy. The trade-off is that, over time, the defense (and talent) will improve, and it will result in victories. It's a process, and it requires patience. I have to remind myself of that, too.
Excellent post.
Shaka of course wants to win every game. He is a coach, that's how they're wired, no matter what level they're coaching at.
But he's got the bigger picture in mind, as he should. He wants to win this year, sure, but he wants to win BIG in Year 3 and beyond. If installing his system with players that right now aren't ideal for it means a few losses this season, I think he's OK with that.
"It’s not a quick fix. It’s not an instant-gratification thing. It’s a drip-by-drip process."
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What, exactly, is the "culture" that Shaka's trying to bring?
Fast paced with guys that aren't good shooters jacking up the first 3 they see?
A passive press that doesn't achieve much other than maybe tiring out our own guys and gives up wide open shots or dunks for the opponent? They gave up a gigantic amount of points to the freaking slow-down Badgers. You have to adjust your preferred style of play if the players just aren't talented enough to thrive at it.
I do agree that the best case scenario is that this year's kind of rag-tag group is just a stop-gap and guys that can actually shoot will be brought in next year.
Jesus, man. It's been 9 games. I thought I was in a thread from a year ago about Wojo with the way you wrote this post.
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It isn't Shaka, per se. He was unhappy with Wojo, too. He is just unhappy.
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It isn't Shaka, per se. He was unhappy with Wojo, too. He is just unhappy.
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Wanna hug it out?
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It isn't Shaka, per se. He was unhappy with Wojo, too. He is just unhappy.
Oh no, he has made it clear it is about Shaka and his social stances. His bitching has nothing to do with basketball. He'd be even more unhappy if Shaka and MU were 9-0 at this point.
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You are on the right path, but you really meed to review his posts from when he joined. He was unhappy with Wojo and Theo for parallel reasons.
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Oh no, he has made it clear it is about Shaka and his social stances. His bitching has nothing to do with basketball. He'd be even more unhappy if Shaka and MU were 9-0 at this point.
Remember, he only showed up after Theo and the team said something about the Jacob Blake shooting, and his posts have been about 99% negative since that time. I think he is one of two posters who used to post here fairly regularly, both of whom haven't posted since this guy showed up in the summer of 2020.
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Yes, expressed his hatred of Theo, BLM, Shaka, Jacob Blake, "lefty" Wojo, and on and on and on. And so, since Shaka was outspoken in support of BLM and social causes, the right-whinger takes every opportunity to dump on him. It has nothing to do with actual basketball.
I am sure he is quite popular at his 3 Percenter meetings however.
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And so, since Shaka was outspoken in support of BLM
That is pretty nice that Shaka supports our MU Scoop posters. ;D
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Wanna hug it out?
I should have written "Yep" before the emojis for No Longer.
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Rebounding. We did it in the first half, we did not do it in the second half.
Pretty similar % gaps in both halves
OR%’s
1st: Us 11.8%, them 17.4%… 5.6% diff
2nd: Us 27.8%, them 33.3% 5.5% diff
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Pretty similar % gaps in both halves
OR%’s
1st: Us 11.8%, them 17.4%… 5.6% diff
2nd: Us 27.8%, them 33.3% 5.5% diff
Do you know what Whisky's FGP was in the second half? Or whatever the star is for points per possession? What happened to our defense?
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Do you know what Whisky's FGP was in the second half? Or whatever the star is for points per possession? What happened to our defense?
I suggest that you go to Anonymous Eagle and read their game report. The answers are there.
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Do you know what Whisky's FGP was in the second half? Or whatever the star is for points per possession? What happened to our defense?
They figured out the press and scored against it. Teams that protect the ball well and play slow have had success against us by pushing into the front court faster. Both the Bonnies and Badgers did that.
We also stopped putting the ball in the basket. Our defense is better when we are coming off a score so we can get set. I'm not saying the defense was fine, but it was hampered by the poor offense.