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Title: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 28, 2021, 02:24:03 PM
Vital game for MU on 12/4.  Obviously Davis is the primary concern but I think Wahl is a difficult cover for us.  He's crafty with his footwork and has a pretty solid inside game.  You would think O-Max starts on Davis but that Morsell will get the assignment during critical stretches.  If Davis goes off we are in trouble, we must eliminate his impact as much as possible.

Flopison has his moments with the 3-Ball but I think you kind of want him to be a volume shooter.  Their 5 can stretch the floor but I think we all know where our defensive focus should be and that we must take care of the defensive glass. 

Offensively, our guards (collectively)
must outplay the Weasels.  This is imperative and I think they're due to break out.  Jones likes soft rims.  Maybe it's my personal bias but I think we match-up well with them, it's really about Davis.  Force him to go left, don't let him get all the way to the rim, and be cognizant of the step-back.  He is much better hard right vs hard-left minus the one dribble step-back.

Once we dispose of Jackson St. the key stretch of our season begins.  I have no doubt we can beat Wiscweaselrodentland if we play solid hoops and do not beat ourselves.  That means fully understanding their tactics, including their flopping, whining, and utter repulsiveness in general.  Take a few charges, get all the loose balls, play with poise, confidence and no hesitation.  We absolutely have the talent to win this game.  I expect us to be ready and for our A game to be unleashed.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2021, 02:25:44 PM
That works for me, Muggs.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: warriorchick on November 28, 2021, 03:00:00 PM
Is it too early to start the Badger Hate Week thread or should we wait until after we play Jackson State?
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 28, 2021, 03:04:55 PM
Is it too early to start the Badger Hate Week thread or should we wait until after we play Jackson State?

Never too early.  But I respect Jackson St. because of the great Walter Payton.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2021, 03:31:21 PM
Never too early.  But I respect Jackson St. because of the great Walter Payton.

Even in his present condition, would Walter be Jackson State's best basketball player?
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: 🏀 on November 28, 2021, 05:18:15 PM
Even in his present condition, would Walter be Jackson State's best basketball player?

I think Lindsey Hunter could take him.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 28, 2021, 05:50:23 PM
Even in his present condition, would Walter be Jackson State's best basketball player?

WTF??  That's just not right MU82.  But regardless Happy Hanukkah.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 28, 2021, 06:02:27 PM
Thoughts, hey?
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: willie warrior on November 28, 2021, 06:09:42 PM
Is it too early to start the Badger Hate Week thread or should we wait until after we play Jackson State?
It is never too early to start casting aspersions against the rodents.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MUfan12 on November 28, 2021, 08:16:34 PM
I have a feeling Bucky wins this one relatively easily. This MU team is the exact type of team they feast on... Not great shooting, and one that shoots quickly. That feeds the beast. Seen it so many times over the years. Toss in the rebounding advantage, and it could be a rough one.

We'll see what happens, hope like hell I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 28, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
I have a feeling Bucky wins this one relatively easily. This MU team is the exact type of team they feast on... Not great shooting, and one that shoots quickly. That feeds the beast. Seen it so many times over the years. Toss in the rebounding advantage, and it could be a rough one.

We'll see what happens, hope like hell I'm wrong.

Providence shot like garbage and still won handedly. I think you'll be wrong
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Is it too early to start the Badger Hate Week thread or should we wait until after we play Jackson State?

And I take flak for picking on the Bears? Life is not fair.

I would rate the 5 worst as
1. Bears
2. Michigan FB
3. tOSU FB
4. Notre Dame everything
5. Wisconsin BB

I got no hate left by the time we get to UW. Just beat 'em.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 28, 2021, 09:27:33 PM
Is it too early to start the Badger Hate Week thread or should we wait until after we play Jackson State?

I didn't realize there was a time limit and not sure what Jackson State has to do with hating the Badgers.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 28, 2021, 09:41:58 PM
And I take flak for picking on the Bears? Life is not fair.

I would rate the 5 worst as
1. Bears
2. Michigan FB
3. tOSU FB
4. Notre Dame everything
5. Wisconsin BB

I got no hate left by the time we get to UW. Just beat 'em.

1. Wisconsin BB
2. Wisconsin BB
3. Wisconsin BB
4. Wisconsin FB
5. ND BB
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 10:03:29 PM
1. Wisconsin BB
2. Wisconsin BB
3. Wisconsin BB
4. Wisconsin FB
5. ND BB

I think a lot of people here would agree with that.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
WTF??  That's just not right MU82.

What … too soon? I actually think Walter woulda liked that one.

BTW … my kids went to Walter Payton Prep.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MUfan12 on November 28, 2021, 10:21:14 PM
Providence shot like garbage and still won handedly. I think you'll be wrong

Fair, though UW was also without their best player.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 28, 2021, 10:27:27 PM
1. Wisconsin BB
2. Wisconsin BB
3. Wisconsin BB
4. Wisconsin FB
5. ND BB

Good list Lenny!
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 28, 2021, 11:07:56 PM
1. Wisconsin BB
2. Wisconsin BB
3. Wisconsin BB
4. Wisconsin FB
5. ND BB

I have no retort and this may be a indisputable post.  Good job Lenny.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: brewcity77 on November 28, 2021, 11:21:13 PM
Bucky has played two top-30 turnover defenses and turned it over 9 & 11 times, respectively. Below 17% TO rate in each game. The challenge will be if we can speed them up or if they slow us down. Generally, the latter is easier.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: bilsu on November 29, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
Providence shot like garbage and still won handedly. I think you'll be wrong
Davis and someone else did not play against Providence.
When I watched that game, I thought MU would beat Wisconsin.
Having watched them win their thanksgiving tournament with Davis, I no longer think MU has a chance in this game. Wisconsin plays solidly on both ends of the floor and are much better coached than MU on the offensive end.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 10:16:43 AM
Davis and someone else did not play against Providence.
When I watched that game, I thought MU would beat Wisconsin.
Having watched them win their thanksgiving tournament with Davis, I no longer think MU has a chance in this game. Wisconsin plays solidly on both ends of the floor and are much better coached than MU on the offensive end.

The beautiful thing is that we'll get to see.

In the meantime, I hope Shaka is planning to send in one of the walk-ons for a minute to punch Floppy you know where!
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
Early MU predictions:
MU will need to find some offense.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Viper on November 29, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
1. Wisconsin BB
2. Wisconsin BB
3. Wisconsin BB
4. Wisconsin FB
5. ND BB
100%
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: mileskishnish72 on November 29, 2021, 12:48:27 PM
The challenge will be if we can speed them up or if they slow us down. Generally, the latter is easier.

Brew, my recollection from dating, and a life spent in OR's has taught me - slow always wins.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Jay Bee on November 29, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
Post below is from more than 2 years ago… lol, forgot they touted their “8th ranked 2039 class” long before many top recruits had committed.

Unfortunately, I was right on Johnny Davis.

Ps - 247 ultimately ranked their 2030 group #34

That was some b.s.. silly nonsense. Now, can guys from MN like Crowl and Carlson work in the uw-madison extension system? Sure.. plug n play nh.

Johnny Davis can be very very good.. his brother is there only because of him.

It's an OK class *for them*.. maybe top 30-35 nationally when all is said and done. Lots of mid-tier guys. Congrats!

That "8th ranked" is like saying, "we're the top team in the NCAA tourney" when you just won the First Four game of the tournament
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Goose on November 29, 2021, 05:42:32 PM
Lenny

While I think the MU-UW has lost some luster over the years, it is still a very big game at our house. I learned at a very young age to hate Bucky and I still feel the same way today. The guys that played when you were at MU still hate UW and I love that. I hope the boys get it done and build off it. It would be a great road W for the team.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: NickelDimer on November 29, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Hate to say it but I don’t see us matching up with the Badgers. They look really good and Davis is a massive problem.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: We R Final Four on November 29, 2021, 05:59:05 PM
UConn and UW are terrible matchups for us.
Even though we’ve been told they are bottom 1/2 of Big ten team and the recent success they have had was due to Bo, not Gard.
If we don’t rebound……..
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BallBoy on November 29, 2021, 10:45:36 PM
UConn and UW are terrible matchups for us.
Even though we’ve been told they are bottom 1/2 of Big ten team and the recent success they have had was due to Bo, not Gard.
If we don’t rebound……..

UW isn’t going to be world beaters this year. They have less talent than previous years but still play good team basketball. They will only be as good as Davis can make them.  They are a low ceiling/high floor kind of team. They had a good run at Maui but if you look at their best opponent Houston was horrible in the first half. UW got destroyed in the second half but UH failed to get a shot off to tie or win the game.

UW might be in the top half only because the Big Ten will be down this year.

The game will come down to whether MU can make consistent baskets on the road as this is their first true road game.  I think we are a worse matchup for UW than they are against us but it will come down to MU’s offense hitting shots.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 29, 2021, 10:47:07 PM
UW isn’t going to be world beaters this year. They have less talent than previous years but still play good team basketball. They will only be as good as Davis can make them.  They are a low ceiling/high floor kind of team. They had a good run at Maui but if you look at their best opponent Houston was horrible in the first half. UW got destroyed in the second half but UH failed to get a shot off to tie or win the game.

UW might be in the top half only because the Big Ten will be down this year.

The game will come down to whether MU can make consistent baskets on the road as this is their first true road game.  I think we are a worse matchup for UW than they are against us but it will come down to MU’s offense hitting shots.

I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 29, 2021, 11:17:03 PM
UW isn’t going to be world beaters this year. They have less talent than previous years but still play good team basketball. They will only be as good as Davis can make them.  They are a low ceiling/high floor kind of team. They had a good run at Maui but if you look at their best opponent Houston was horrible in the first half. UW got destroyed in the second half but UH failed to get a shot off to tie or win the game.

UW might be in the top half only because the Big Ten will be down this year.

The game will come down to whether MU can make consistent baskets on the road as this is their first true road game.  I think we are a worse matchup for UW than they are against us but it will come down to MU’s offense hitting shots.

I agree for the most part but generally they don't beat themselves and they appear to be a pretty decent rebounding team.  We should get plenty of open shots and our guards absolutely need to step-up.  I also have some concern that Morsell will have to guard Davis.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 11:20:22 PM
I agree for the most part but generally they don't beat themselves and they appear to be a pretty decent rebounding team.  We should get plenty of open shots and our guards absolutely need to step-up.  I also have some concern that Morsell will have to guard Davis.

Concern? That’s why we got Morsell - aka The Man Who Stopped Markus - to take on the opponent’s best player.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: CountryRoads on November 29, 2021, 11:32:42 PM
This is the weakest badger team in a long time, imo. They won the weakest Maui field in history. We’re also really young. It’s also our first true road game of the year. It’ll be a battle but I expect a close game one way or the other. I expect the badgers to finish bottom half in the conference.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 29, 2021, 11:59:21 PM
Concern? That’s why we got Morsell - aka The Man Who Stopped Markus - to take on the opponent’s best player.

My concern is twofold:  1) Do we play three guards most of the game and 2) I don't want him in foul trouble. 

I think we need a good offensive game from Morsell.  If he and Davis cancel each other out I think we'll  be in good shape.  But I'm talking at least 18 points for DM, it's critical he finds his game.  This also may be a great opportunity for Kam to go off a la West Virginia. 

I just watched the Rowsey game at the Kohl hole.  Man.....that dude had some serious swagger.  And unlimited range.  When I'm really down I watch the  bam, bam, bam, sequence vs Creighton.   Anyway he absolutely shredded the weasel/rodents in the 2nd half.  They had no answer to that tommy-gun attack and looked quite frustrated.  :)
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BallBoy on November 30, 2021, 07:10:01 AM
I agree for the most part but generally they don't beat themselves and they appear to be a pretty decent rebounding team.  We should get plenty of open shots and our guards absolutely need to step-up.  I also have some concern that Morsell will have to guard Davis.

Let's take out any scenario where someone goes off like Rex Chapman did against the 1996 Bulls which throws the game analysis out the window.

UW is not a good 3Pt shooting team (knock on wood) as the currently sit at 28.8%.   Their best shooter is Johnny Davis.

UW as a team has a negative assist to turnover ratio which is unheard of for UW.  They don't have a lot of turnovers but that just shows their lack of assists.  Again knock on wood.  This is also very unUW like.  Their leader in assists is Johnny Davis at 2.2 per game.

Rebounding is a misleading stat on its own because someone has to miss a basket in order to get a rebound.  If one team is shooting the lights out their offense rebounding number in aggregate is going to be low.  If the other team is brick city, they will likely get a few extra offensive rebounds.  A defensive rebound is relatively meaningless if 1.  you make your shots 2. you stop them on the other end.  UWs leading rebounder Johnny Davis.

It appears that UW is a good defensive team as they average 12 more points than their opponents but that is mostly one game again GB. 

Again barring anyone player other than Johnny Davis (he will get his) going off it is going to whether MU makes shots or not. My biggest concern with this game is it is our first true road game which typically causes shots not to fall. 



Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 30, 2021, 09:02:22 AM
Morsell needs to lock up Davis. MU needs to make shots.  MU needs to rebound so Crowl and Wahl don't get easy offense on second chances.

X-factor:  MU forces UW's freshman PG into turnovers.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 09:05:19 AM
Let's take out any scenario where someone goes off like Rex Chapman did against the 1996 Bulls which throws the game analysis out the window.

UW is not a good 3Pt shooting team (knock on wood) as the currently sit at 28.8%.   Their best shooter is Johnny Davis.

UW as a team has a negative assist to turnover ratio which is unheard of for UW.  They don't have a lot of turnovers but that just shows their lack of assists.  Again knock on wood.  This is also very unUW like.  Their leader in assists is Johnny Davis at 2.2 per game.

Rebounding is a misleading stat on its own because someone has to miss a basket in order to get a rebound.  If one team is shooting the lights out their offense rebounding number in aggregate is going to be low.  If the other team is brick city, they will likely get a few extra offensive rebounds.  A defensive rebound is relatively meaningless if 1.  you make your shots 2. you stop them on the other end.  UWs leading rebounder Johnny Davis.

It appears that UW is a good defensive team as they average 12 more points than their opponents but that is mostly one game again GB. 

Again barring anyone player other than Johnny Davis (he will get his) going off it is going to whether MU makes shots or not. My biggest concern with this game is it is our first true road game which typically causes shots not to fall.

Sounds like we need somebody to take care of Davis ... if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BM1090 on November 30, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
MU will be sizable underdogs and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Not to mention this being MU's first true road game.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 30, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
MU will be sizable underdogs and deservedly so.

Not to mention this being MU's first true road game.

"More evidence that what people write or say about us doesn't matter." -Shaka
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 10:37:28 AM
It doesn't.   
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Newsdreams on November 30, 2021, 11:16:43 AM
F the Effing rodents
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: dgies9156 on November 30, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
I get this rodent hate and all, but I just can't get emotional about a rabies carrying rodent.

We were 4-0 against the rodents in my time at MU. They were just too bad to hate.

I think that time is coming again!

As for everybody relax. I never saw so much negativism toward our guys. Never forget, Wojo has left the building.

The secret to beating the rodents: discipline. Stay in your game, don't let ole Floppy punch and if you have the chance, give him payback. If you stay within what you do best, the rodent will again be Eagle food.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: CountryRoads on November 30, 2021, 01:27:46 PM
I just watched the Rowsey game at the Kohl hole.  Man.....that dude had some serious swagger.  And unlimited range.  When I'm really down I watch the  bam, bam, bam, sequence vs Creighton.   Anyway he absolutely shredded the weasel/rodents in the 2nd half.  They had no answer to that tommy-gun attack and looked quite frustrated.  :)

I was at both of them and they were two of my favorite games of the Wojo era. The badgers sucked that year but it was so fun to watch that complete ass kicking.

It’s an absolute travesty that wojo failed to get that team to the tournament.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BallBoy on November 30, 2021, 01:30:56 PM
Sounds like we need somebody to take care of Davis ... if you catch my drift.

I know a guy who can punch him in his nuts.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Goose on November 30, 2021, 01:33:23 PM
The day of the Rowsey game I called a big rout W for MU. I am predicting MU wins by 10+ on Saturday. I think Shaka finds a way to control the tempo and we will convert on quick transaction baskets early. I am going with the Shaka factor being the difference in this game. He has won over a lot of fans this far and spanking Bucky would be a great signature W in his first season. Again, Warriors by double figures on Saturday.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 01:40:23 PM
I was at both of them and they were two of my favorite games of the Wojo era. The badgers sucked that year but it was so fun to watch that complete ass kicking.

It’s an absolute travesty that wojo failed to get that team to the tournament.

It's interesting you mention that.  Obviously Howard and Rowsey's skillsets overlapped and both were defensive liabilities.  That said we had three of the very best pure shooters in the country imo.  We should have gotten the right players around them.  If we had two 6'6 guys that could have done the dirty work that would have probably been enough for them to be a real threat. 
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 30, 2021, 01:48:38 PM
The day of the Rowsey game I called a big rout W for MU. I am predicting MU wins by 10+ on Saturday. I think Shaka finds a way to control the tempo and we will convert on quick transaction baskets early. I am going with the Shaka factor being the difference in this game. He has won over a lot of fans this far and spanking Bucky would be a great signature W in his first season. Again, Warriors by double figures on Saturday.

I like your style, Goose.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
The day of the Rowsey game I called a big rout W for MU. I am predicting MU wins by 10+ on Saturday. I think Shaka finds a way to control the tempo and we will convert on quick transaction baskets early. I am going with the Shaka factor being the difference in this game. He has won over a lot of fans this far and spanking Bucky would be a great signature W in his first season. Again, Warriors by double figures on Saturday.

I don't think Shaka had to "win over" many fans. Most were very grateful he had been hired.

This, and the next 2 non-con games after it, will be a nice test for him and his team.

And I'm with you on us winning. Time for Morsell to get off the schneid, for Kolek to control the game, for one (or more) of our frosh to step up, for Lewis to do his thing, for Greg to hit a few 3s, and for us to pull off our best win of the season.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on November 30, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
I have a feeling Bucky wins this one relatively easily. This MU team is the exact type of team they feast on... Not great shooting, and one that shoots quickly. That feeds the beast. Seen it so many times over the years. Toss in the rebounding advantage, and it could be a rough one.

We'll see what happens, hope like hell I'm wrong.

You're wrong. The taller more athletic Warriors will flatten the flea bitten slow farm boys.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 30, 2021, 04:09:54 PM
The day of the Rowsey game I called a big rout W for MU. I am predicting MU wins by 10+ on Saturday. I think Shaka finds a way to control the tempo and we will convert on quick transaction baskets early. I am going with the Shaka factor being the difference in this game. He has won over a lot of fans this far and spanking Bucky would be a great signature W in his first season. Again, Warriors by double figures on Saturday.

Damn Goose!  I hope you are right.   
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BallBoy on November 30, 2021, 04:46:30 PM
The day of the Rowsey game I called a big rout W for MU. I am predicting MU wins by 10+ on Saturday. I think Shaka finds a way to control the tempo and we will convert on quick transaction baskets early. I am going with the Shaka factor being the difference in this game. He has won over a lot of fans this far and spanking Bucky would be a great signature W in his first season. Again, Warriors by double figures on Saturday.

I pencilled this in as a win at the beginning of the year but also picked Illinois as a loss so there's that.  This is probably the first time that I would have said I feel Warriors by double digits as well but I think it will be closer because UW will keep it in the 60s.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Viper on November 30, 2021, 05:03:36 PM
MU will be visine on Saturday. Get the RED out.

-BETTER DEAD, than RED.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: mubb3434 on December 02, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
Matchup-wise on defense, how do we line it up?

Kolek- Chucky
Kam - Brad
Morsell - Davis
Lewis/O-Max - Wahl
Kuath/Oso - Crowl

Davis is the obvious threat so I think we throw a couple of different bodies at him. Our bigs need to box out and our guards need to be aggressive on the boards. It's okay if we lose the rebounding battle, but the margin needs to be small (this match up screams 2nd chance points from UW)...Maybe this is the day we get Kolek cooking from 3? Pumped for Saturday!




Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: panda on December 02, 2021, 09:37:18 PM
Wisconsin struggled against ball screen action and also when tech was able to push the ball in transition.

Uw was able to control tempo for the majority of the second half.

Davis is just an awesome player and Davison is annoyingly solid. No one else on the team is scary, but they all fit in the system well. It’ll be a tough game.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on December 02, 2021, 09:45:07 PM
Wisconsin struggled against ball screen action and also when tech was able to push the ball in transition.

Uw was able to control tempo for the majority of the second half.

Davis is just an awesome player and Davison is annoyingly solid. No one else on the team is scary, but they all fit in the system well. It’ll be a tough game.

Well said panda.  How do we eliminate Davis?
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: panda on December 02, 2021, 10:02:38 PM
Well said panda.  How do we eliminate Davis?

If we score and can set up the press, his impact will be nullified. They do a really good job of getting him in good spots in the half court.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MuggsyB on December 02, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
If we score and can set up the press, his impact will be nullified. They do a really good job of getting him in good spots in the half court.

Would you put Morsell on him or O-Max?
Should we hard double?   Wahl is capable but I agree,  it's primarily two guys.  If our four guards outplay Davis/Flopison I like our chances.   Kolek is due to have a good shooting game and JLew should be able to get buckets.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BallBoy on December 02, 2021, 10:26:49 PM
Well said panda.  How do we eliminate Davis?

Wisconsin has nearly lost two big leads in the second half with Houston and GT.  I think that has to do with they really only have 2.5 legit scorers. I think you press them heavy in the first half to wear them down and make them work hard.

If you can get Davis or Davison in foul trouble I think Wisconsin might struggle to score.

I think keeping Kur and Oso in the middle to blocks shots will allow some relief on Davis.

If you can keep one of Davis or Davison to a low scoring total, I like our chances.

I would push Davison to shoot contested from the outside.

I would rotate a few players on Davis to keep our legs fresh but I would start with Morsell and change up with OMax and Kam.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 03, 2021, 10:45:37 AM
I think MU's depth will wear the rodents down in the 2nd half.  UW relies so much on just a few guys, Shaka can roll out 10 guys that can play at least 15-20 minutes as needed.  We don't know who it's going to be from night to night that leads us in scoring and this looks like a game where the high-energy 40 minutes of in-your-ugly-face (I'm talking to you Davison) defense pays off in a high degree of fatigue for UW by the 4th quarter.  They just can't match our depth and we need to make them pay for that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: CountryRoads on December 03, 2021, 11:01:49 AM
It’ll be a harder game now that the Badgers aren’t in the championship for football. The band will be there and they are worth 5 points.

But really, I think Shaka has been challenging Morsell this week and getting his mindset right to focus on shutting down Davis. I think we’ll see a big game from Morsell.

I think the local guy Joplin will hit some big threes. His stroke has looked nice lately. I hope he gets up some early shots.

Lastly, I think the badgers will get a maddening amount of offensive rebounds which may be the difference late in the game. I hope our guys are ready to fight for the boards. We’ll need them.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 11:51:32 AM
I think it’ll be interesting to see how Shaka decides to defend Davison and Davis.  Davis is certainly a major threat but I wouldn’t sleep on Davison.  Davison scored 27 points out of the 70 points the badgers scored in their last game which was against Georgia Tech.

I think there are multiple viable options to guard Davison and Davis.  One scenario that would be interesting is for Morsell to lock up Davison and to have a combination of Lewis, O-Max, and Joplin to guard Davis. 

It would be interesting to see Morsell face guard Davison and to run him off the 3 point line and make Davision a non-factor and then have size and athleticism gaurd Davis with Lewis, O-Max, or Joplin.


Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Nukem2 on December 03, 2021, 11:53:14 AM
I think it’ll be interesting to see how Shaka decides to defend Davison and Davis.  Davis is certainly a major threat but I wouldn’t sleep on Davison.  Davison scored 27 points out of the 70 points the badgers scored in their last game which was against Georgia Tech.

I think there are multiple viable options to guard Davison and Davis.  One scenario that would be interesting is for Morsell to lock up Davison and to have a combination of Lewis, O-Max, and Joplin to guard Davis. 

It would be interesting to see Morsell face guard Davison and to run him off the 3 point line and make Davision a non-factor and then have size and athleticism gaurd Davis with Lewis, O-Max, or Joplin.
Morsell will be guarding Davis.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 12:04:20 PM
Morsell will be guarding Davis.

Why are you so certain?

Sources?

Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 03, 2021, 12:10:05 PM

Lastly, I think the badgers will get a maddening amount of offensive rebounds which may be the difference late in the game. I hope our guys are ready to fight for the boards. We’ll need them.

I agree with your post but this part has me pondering as Bucky typically doesn't attack the offensive boards as they are taught to get back on D in the Pack Line. They are typically mid to lower end on the OR% spectrum.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 03, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Morsell will be guarding Davis.

On Shaka's weekly radio show last night, the Homer asked him if Morsell would be the guy guarding Davis.  Shaka said yes, but that there would also be several other guys guarding Davis at times.  He wants to mix it up a bit.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 03, 2021, 12:24:09 PM
I agree with your post but this part has me pondering as Bucky typically doesn't attack the offensive boards as they are taught to get back on D in the Pack Line. They are typically mid to lower end on the OR% spectrum.

From the game preview on jsonline:
They are averaging 11.0 offensive rebounds per game, up from 8.3 per game last season.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Newsdreams on December 03, 2021, 12:26:07 PM
Well said panda.  How do we eliminate Davis?
Punch him below the belt
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 01:03:22 PM
On Shaka's weekly radio show last night, the Homer asked him if Morsell would be the guy guarding Davis.  Shaka said yes, but that there would also be several other guys guarding Davis at times.  He wants to mix it up a bit.

Mixing it up makes sense.  I would be interested to see Morsell guard Davison at times.  We'll see if that happens.

Davis is a talent, but Davison is the leader of the badgers and Davison can score a lot of points if he's in a rhythm.  For example, Davison scored 27 points in their last game which was against Georgia Tech.  If Davison goes off tomorrow, the bad guys win.


Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2021, 01:25:35 PM
I have a feeling Bucky wins this one relatively easily. This MU team is the exact type of team they feast on... Not great shooting, and one that shoots quickly. That feeds the beast. Seen it so many times over the years. Toss in the rebounding advantage, and it could be a rough one.

We'll see what happens, hope like hell I'm wrong.

Not sure how I feel. Marquette actually averages more rebounds per game, shoots a better % from 3 and the field in comparison to Madison, and has nearly double the assists per game.

MU turns the ball over far more frequently which could be a problem for this young team on the road that leads to a blowout.

Given all that I really have no idea what to expect because UW does not look very good at all, but they just win games. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: The Equalizer on December 03, 2021, 01:32:08 PM
From the game preview on jsonline:
They are averaging 11.0 offensive rebounds per game, up from 8.3 per game last season.

I don't think you can read any significance into that comparision.

In their first two games they averaged 14.5 offensive boards per game. (St. Francis & Green Bay)

Since then, they're only averaging 6.8 (Providence, Texas A&M, Houston, St. Marys, Georgia Tech).

Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JWags85 on December 03, 2021, 01:38:30 PM
Davis is a talent, but Davison is the leader of the badgers and Davison can score a lot of points if he's in a rhythm.  For example, Davison scored 27 points in their last game which was against Georgia Tech.  If Davison goes off tomorrow, the bad guys win.

Davison has scored over 25 points and hit 5 3s.  He's done that 4 other times in his decade long Badger career.  I'm pretty confident in thinking he won't do it in back to back games.  I'm fine letting the guy shooting 31% from 3 on the year, and 9/38 in his last 5 games before GT, bomb away
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 01:49:18 PM
Davison has scored over 25 points and hit 5 3s.  He's done that 4 other times in his decade long Badger career.  I'm pretty confident in thinking he won't do it in back to back games.  I'm fine letting the guy shooting 31% from 3 on the year, and 9/38 in his last 5 games before GT, bomb away

I'm pretty confident that Shaka's defensive strategy won't include letting Davison bomb away.

I would be shocked if MU doesn't attempt to run Davison off the three point line and make him as uncomfortable as possible.

Going into this year, Davison had the following career statistics at UW-Madison:

• 4th in school history - 124 career starts
• 5th in school history - .832 career FT%
• 5th in school history - 222 career 3FGs
• 12th in school history - 132 career steals
• T-19th in school history - 1,363 points
• Just the 12th player in school history with 100 career starts (100th start vs. #23 Louisville, 12/19/20)
• The 43rd Badger in school history to reach 1,000 career points (2/23/20 vs. Rutgers)




Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: panda on December 03, 2021, 01:55:42 PM
I'm pretty confident that Shaka's defensive strategy won't include letting Davison bomb away.

I would be shocked if MU doesn't attempt to run Davison off the three point line and make him as uncomfortable as possible.

Going into this year, Davison had the following career statistics at UW-Madison:

• 4th in school history - 124 career starts
• 5th in school history - .832 career FT%
• 5th in school history - 222 career 3FGs
• 12th in school history - 132 career steals
• T-19th in school history - 1,363 points
• Just the 12th player in school history with 100 career starts (100th start vs. #23 Louisville, 12/19/20)
• The 43rd Badger in school history to reach 1,000 career points (2/23/20 vs. Rutgers)

He's a good player - he's not remotely close to the front of the line of guys I'm worrying about facing this season.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 02:07:13 PM
Davison is nowhere near the top of the list in terms of talented players that we'll be facing this season, but Davison may be the most important player for his respective team that we'll play this season.

I would caution those that dismiss Davison's importance for tomorrow's game. 

Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: panda on December 03, 2021, 02:08:35 PM
Davison is nowhere near the top of the list in terms of talented players that we'll be facing this season, but Davison may be the most important player for his respective team that we'll play this season.

I would caution those that dismiss Davison's importance for tomorrow's game.

He’s not even the most important player on his own team….
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 03, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Games not at the Fiserv, but this stat has always amused me

In his 2 career games at the Fiserv, Davison has less FGMs (0) than opponent's testicles fondled (2). Only player in Fiserv history with that statline.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: The Equalizer on December 03, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
Games not at the Fiserv, but this stat has always amused me

In his 2 career games at the Fiserv, Davison has less FGMs (0) than opponent's testicles fondled (2). Only player in Fiserv history with that statline.

Given that the target was Joey Hauser, I'm now open to the possibility that Davison was fully justified in what he did.   If Davison wasn't playing for Wisconsin, I'd be convinced of it.

Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2021, 04:03:31 PM
Games not at the Fiserv, but this stat has always amused me

In his 2 career games at the Fiserv, Davison has less FGMs (0) than opponent's testicles fondled (2). Only player in Fiserv history with that statline.

Yep. In Milwaukee, Floppy's 0-for-7, 4 points total. He also went 0-3 from the line in the OT loss in 2018, with 2 big misses ... when he wasn't punching Joey in the onions.

As for his games against us in Madison:

In 2017, as a freshman, he went for 20 against us, but that was the Rowsey game, we won big, and lots of Floppy's points came in garbage time.

Only game against us that Floppy mattered at all was 2019, when he had an efficient 15 and they beat us handily.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JWags85 on December 03, 2021, 04:10:09 PM
I'm pretty confident that Shaka's defensive strategy won't include letting Davison bomb away.

I would be shocked if MU doesn't attempt to run Davison off the three point line and make him as uncomfortable as possible.

Going into this year, Davison had the following career statistics at UW-Madison:

• 4th in school history - 124 career starts
• 5th in school history - .832 career FT%
• 5th in school history - 222 career 3FGs
• 12th in school history - 132 career steals
• T-19th in school history - 1,363 points
• Just the 12th player in school history with 100 career starts (100th start vs. #23 Louisville, 12/19/20)
• The 43rd Badger in school history to reach 1,000 career points (2/23/20 vs. Rutgers)

Thanks Mrs. Davison.  Your son has certainly compiled some stats.  Where does he rank among Badger greats in flops not called and successful hook and holds?
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 03, 2021, 04:21:27 PM
Going into this year, Davison had the following career statistics at UW-Madison:

• 4th in school history - 124 career starts
• 5th in school history - .832 career FT%
• 5th in school history - 222 career 3FGs
• 12th in school history - 132 career steals
• T-19th in school history - 1,363 points
• Just the 12th player in school history with 100 career starts (100th start vs. #23 Louisville, 12/19/20)
• The 43rd Badger in school history to reach 1,000 career points (2/23/20 vs. Rutgers)

You'd think that a player with the 4th most starts in school history would rank higher than 19th in points and higher than 12th in steals.  Aside from the FT% (which no matta) he's just a volume stats guy. 
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: PointWarrior on December 03, 2021, 04:22:32 PM
At Madison and Badgers ranked #23 - I assume the basketball brain trust here will consider it a win just to score into the 50’s this game.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: tower912 on December 03, 2021, 04:23:30 PM
Given that the target was Joey Hauser, I'm now open to the possibility that Davison was fully justified in what he did.   If Davison wasn't playing for Wisconsin, I'd be convinced of it.

Well played.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on December 03, 2021, 05:25:37 PM
Matchup-wise on defense, how do we line it up?

Kolek- Chucky
Kam - Brad
Morsell - Davis
Lewis/O-Max - Wahl
Kuath/Oso - Crowl

Davis is the obvious threat so I think we throw a couple of different bodies at him. Our bigs need to box out and our guards need to be aggressive on the boards. It's okay if we lose the rebounding battle, but the margin needs to be small (this match up screams 2nd chance points from UW)...Maybe this is the day we get Kolek cooking from 3? Pumped for Saturday!

I agree with your match ups. After watching the Badger hot shooting Wednesday night, we need to press and guard them tight. Pressing Davis will be effective as he's not a great ball handler. Davison is dangerous. Hope Morsel can play him tight and tough. We have the depth to distant foul trouble. All in all our high energy tight defense is the key, but we must shoot well (and make free throws). Marquette will win.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 05:32:35 PM
Thanks Mrs. Davison.  Your son has certainly compiled some stats.  Where does he rank among Badger greats in flops not called and successful hook and holds?

What?  Your post is absurd.

I apologize for not having tribal hatred towards a stranger because he plays for the other team. 

How dare I have the audacity to be objective and respective towards the opponent.

To dismiss Davison's importance on this year's badger's team is questionable.


Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 03, 2021, 05:52:45 PM

How dare I have the audacity to be objective and respective towards the opponent.

Because it's the badger. There's two teams where respect and objectivity go out the window: 1) Wisconsin  2) Notre Dame
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 05:55:43 PM
Because it's the badger. There's two teams where respect and objectivity go out the window: 1) Wisconsin  2) Notre Dame

I respectfully disagree, you can still have respect for the opponent.

Tribal hatred isn't enlightened.

Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 03, 2021, 05:57:19 PM
I respectfully disagree, you can still have respect for the opponent.

Tribal hatred isn't enlightened.

I'm not sure you understand what rivalries are about...
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: blue and gold on December 03, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
I'm not sure you understand what rivalries are about...

Actually, I'm not sure you understand what rivalries are about.

You can have respect for a rival.

Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JWags85 on December 03, 2021, 06:05:17 PM
What?  Your post is absurd.

I apologize for not having tribal hatred towards a stranger because he plays for the other team. 

How dare I have the audacity to be objective and respective towards the opponent.

To dismiss Davison's importance on this year's badgets team is questionable.

It was a joke.  You posted some random counting stats about a decent player.

Regardless of who he plays for, we can agree to disagree about Davison the player.  He disappears for entire games offensively as much as he goes off.  Morsell will not be defending him and I would be shocked if he even acquires any postseason awards cause I don't think he's a top 25 player in the league.  He's a store brand Aaron Craft with far less defensive ability.

As for "respect", for the Badger program maybe, but save me "respect" when it comes to the dirtiest player in college basketball who has shown it time and time again
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: tower912 on December 03, 2021, 08:56:17 PM
Fox promo for tomorrow's game has Greg featured.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: PointWarrior on December 03, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
2 resident experts in the predations thread predicted MU scoring in the 50’s  :P
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
2 resident experts in the predations thread predicted MU scoring in the 50’s  :P

Prior to your post, there were 5.  Now there are 6, though that one doesn't even have MU breaking 50.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 03, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
Prior to your post, there were 5.  Now there are 6, though that one doesn't even have MU breaking 50.

50 is the new 80
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2021, 10:08:35 PM
50 is the new 80

Hah.  Many here may be surprised that UW-Madison is the best defensive team MU will face to this point (and statistically, potentially the best all year).  And MU is not a great offensive team.  But MU should easily score in the 60s.  If they don't, see my first point.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: warriorchick on December 03, 2021, 10:44:36 PM
I am going out on a limb here, but I am pretty sure that Brad Davison is the only player that has an article in a major sports publication that chronicles all of his nut shots.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 03, 2021, 10:57:45 PM
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Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: PointWarrior on December 03, 2021, 11:32:53 PM
If I still lived in Wisconsin, I would buy him AYCE Real Chili is they scored under 50 tomorrow.


Prior to your post, there were 5.  Now there are 6, though that one doesn't even have MU breaking 50.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2021, 11:34:56 PM
AYCE Real Chili

Isn't that the minimum they serve?
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2021, 12:18:49 AM
Actually, I'm not sure you understand what rivalries are about.

You can have respect for a rival.

I have respect for good players on rivals. I have had begrudging respect for the likes of Tucker, Hayes, Kaminsky, etc.

Davison has earned no respect. He is a cheater, a dirty player, a flopper and a choker. Did you not see that in two close losses in Milwaukee, he missed every shot he took, including some crucial FTs in one of them? I hope we defend him tight, and I wouldn't mind if he got pounded a few times.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 04, 2021, 08:14:46 AM
Because it's the badger. There's two teams where respect and objectivity go out the window: 1) Wisconsin  2) Notre Dame

  count the basket and one and the ball!!
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: willie warrior on December 04, 2021, 09:10:34 AM
  count the basket and one and the ball!!
Would be a great poll question on who is hated more, Badgers or No Dick.
No doubt it would also stimulate rabid conversation.
I would go with No Dick. Because their fans, alums and school think that their crap doesn't stink.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Dickthedribbler on December 04, 2021, 10:41:31 AM
Have Morrsell dog Davis for 94 feet. I'll take the 5th year B14 Player of the Year over a pretty good sophomore any day. Edge: MU.

I think if Kur stays away from stupid fouls, he will intimidate and frustrate Wahl (and others inside). Edge: Push, or slight MU.

If our gaggle of other guards can keep Testicle Boy from getting hot, this is a very winnable game
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Goose on December 04, 2021, 11:18:17 AM
I agree with Morsell handling Davis. MU by double digits.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: willie warrior on December 04, 2021, 11:20:43 AM
Actually, I'm not sure you understand what rivalries are about.

You can have respect for a rival.
Wrong. There can be no respect for the nut punching Badgers.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 04, 2021, 11:38:50 AM
Would be a great poll question on who is hated more, Badgers or No Dick.
No doubt it would also stimulate rabid conversation.
I would go with No Dick. Because their fans, alums and school think that their crap doesn't stink.

how far back would we have to go for MU students to appreciate the hate for the golden domers?  i would say kelli tripuka still has the edge on brad the ball grabber...pretty close even though kelli didn't get as intimate.  a good (ex)friend stole my notre who? shirt and he never lived it down
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JWags85 on December 04, 2021, 11:42:59 AM
Would be a great poll question on who is hated more, Badgers or No Dick.
No doubt it would also stimulate rabid conversation.
I would go with No Dick. Because their fans, alums and school think that their crap doesn't stink.

I think it depends on residence.  If you grew up in Wisconsin, or spent a lot of time there, the UW delusion and love affair gets suffocating
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: NickelDimer on December 04, 2021, 01:36:32 PM
That went about as expected
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: We R Final Four on December 04, 2021, 07:43:52 PM
25 year low in Madison basketball.
Bottom half of the big ten this year.
Easy ticket no one will show up.
Bo was pretty good, but Gard is absolutely terrible.
Morsel will shut down Davis.

Just a few things scoopers said in the last week or so…..none of which were true or will be true.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JWags85 on December 04, 2021, 07:57:17 PM
25 year low in Madison basketball.
Bottom half of the big ten this year.
Easy ticket no one will show up.
Bo was pretty good, but Gard is absolutely terrible.
Morsel will shut down Davis.

Just a few things scoopers said in the last week or so…..none of which were true or will be true.

Cool…
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2021, 08:00:26 PM
25 year low in Madison basketball.
Bottom half of the big ten this year.
Easy ticket no one will show up.
Bo was pretty good, but Gard is absolutely terrible.
Morsel will shut down Davis.

Just a few things scoopers said in the last week or so…..none of which were true or will be true.

I mean, a lot of us say a lot of dumb things on this old message board and that won’t stop us from doing it again
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: willie warrior on December 04, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
I agree with Morsell handling Davis. MU by double digits.
Goose, you were...just a bit...outside on that one.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: We R Final Four on December 04, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
I mean, a lot of us say a lot of dumb things on this old message board and that won’t stop us from doing it again
Agreed…..I’ve said plenty of dumb sheet on here.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Goose on December 05, 2021, 01:42:07 AM
Willie

Davis played well and I was very impressed with us play. MU looked terrible today and Bucky missing a bunch of bunnies in the first half kept us in the game. Morsell looks to be using a lot of energy on the offensive side of the court the last few games. Bad call on my part and cost me some $$ to boot.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: willie warrior on December 05, 2021, 06:18:39 AM
Willie

Davis played well and I was very impressed with us play. MU looked terrible today and Bucky missing a bunch of bunnies in the first half kept us in the game. Morsell looks to be using a lot of energy on the offensive side of the court the last few games. Bad call on my part and cost me some $$ to boot.
That has to be the double whammy there. Betting money on MU to beat bucky and then losing money because of bucky.
It seems like when we beat bucky the games are close but when we lose it is a blowout. Too lazy to look up scores for the series
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Newsdreams on December 05, 2021, 07:23:13 AM
I think it depends on residence.  If you grew up in Wisconsin, or spent a lot of time there, the UW delusion and love affair gets suffocating
Well up to 80's order was mostly
1. ND
2. DePaul
Gap
3. Rodents
Mainly because Domers Depaul and MU were basically bog dogs of independents and how we fared against each other could mean difference between NCCAt vs NIT
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 09:46:26 AM
I think it depends on residence.  If you grew up in Wisconsin, or spent a lot of time there, the UW delusion and love affair gets suffocating

Well up to 80's order was mostly
1. ND
2. DePaul
Gap
3. Rodents
Mainly because Domers Depaul and MU were basically bog dogs of independents and how we fared against each other could mean difference between NCCAt vs NIT

100% correct to both of these points.

And not only that, but Wisconsin sucked for decades. For something to feel like a real "rivalry," the teams have to be at least close to on par.

By the time I arrived at Marquette in 1978, we had won 15 straight against Wisconsin, mostly decisively. During that span, while Marquette established itself as one of the very best programs in the country and a national champion, Madison went 86-130, with only 2 winning seasons. They hadn't made the NCAA tournament since 1947 and were 8-19 the year before I got to MU. To this kid from Connecticut, they might as well have been UWM, a total non-entity. (We actually lost in Madison my freshman year -- snapping our 15-game streak against them -- but the game was during winter break, it wasn't on TV where I lived and I barely noticed it.)

Meanwhile, Notre Dame was in the Final Four the year before I got to Marquette, and they had truly evil players like Tripucka and Laimbeer. Effen hated those guys. And DePaul was in its basketball renaissance, with Aguirre & Co.; they knocked a really good, Worthen-led MU team out of the NCAAT my freshman year. Heck, during my time at Marquette, Loyola and Detroit seemed like bigger "rivals" than Wisconsin.

So yes, the facts that 1. I wasn't from anywhere near Wisconsin and 2. Madison was horrible at basketball made it not much of a rivalry to me at the time.

Obviously, after Wisconsin got good, and with the internet age making it possible to watch every game and trash-talk across the miles, then it became a big-time rivalry in my eyes.

But I have to say I'm still thrilled we're gonna play ND again! If it's at all possible for me to get to Milwaukee (and to get a ticket), I'm gonna do everything I can to go to next season's game. I hope Shaka has our guys ready to whip up a whuppin'!!
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 05, 2021, 12:47:56 PM
In the 90s and early 2000's, Cincinnati and Louisville were the big games.  Cincy because they were the big dog, and Louisville because of all the epic games.

Cincy in C-USA was like Ohio State football in the Big Ten: everybody wanted to knock them off, but the alpha school didn't think of it as a rivalry like the underdog schools.

And Louisville had many bigger rivals, like Kentucky and Cincy, and Marquette wasn't viewed at that level. It was more of an understated rivalry.

Since DePaul sucks, and Marquette doesn't play Notre Dame and Louisville regularly, Wisconsin fills the rivalry void. But that really only started 20 years ago when Bo Ryan took over the Badgers.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 12:58:36 PM
Since DePaul sucks, and Marquette doesn't play Notre Dame and Louisville regularly, Wisconsin fills the rivalry void. But that really only started 20 years ago when Bo Ryan took over the Badgers.

Very well stated.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: The Equalizer on December 05, 2021, 02:45:53 PM
In the 90s and early 2000's, Cincinnati and Louisville were the big games.  Cincy because they were the big dog, and Louisville because of all the epic games.

Cincy in C-USA was like Ohio State football in the Big Ten: everybody wanted to knock them off, but the alpha school didn't think of it as a rivalry like the underdog schools.

And Louisville had many bigger rivals, like Kentucky and Cincy, and Marquette wasn't viewed at that level. It was more of an understated rivalry.

Since DePaul sucks, and Marquette doesn't play Notre Dame and Louisville regularly, Wisconsin fills the rivalry void. But that really only started 20 years ago when Bo Ryan took over the Badgers.

I think the Wisconsin rivalry status dates back earlier--Kevin O'Neill even remarked that he was amazed at the alums that cared more about beating Wisconsin (and Notre Dame) and any other game on the schedule.   And even before that, things were heating up when Wisconsin beat us for the services of Ricky Olson.  My observation is that the rivalry with UW was already there in the late 70's early 80's, but got heated during the stretch of 8 straight UW wins in the late 80's/early 90's. 

And while UC and Louisville generated interest,  the atmosphere never reached UW/ND/DePaul levels.



Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: Viper on December 05, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
100% correct to both of these points.

And not only that, but Wisconsin sucked for decades. For something to feel like a real "rivalry," the teams have to be at least close to on par.

By the time I arrived at Marquette in 1978, we had won 15 straight against Wisconsin, mostly decisively. During that span, while Marquette established itself as one of the very best programs in the country and a national champion, Madison went 86-130, with only 2 winning seasons. They hadn't made the NCAA tournament since 1947 and were 8-19 the year before I got to MU. To this kid from Connecticut, they might as well have been UWM, a total non-entity. (We actually lost in Madison my freshman year -- snapping our 15-game streak against them -- but the game was during winter break, it wasn't on TV where I lived and I barely noticed it.)

Meanwhile, Notre Dame was in the Final Four the year before I got to Marquette, and they had truly evil players like Tripucka and Laimbeer. Effen hated those guys. And DePaul was in its basketball renaissance, with Aguirre & Co.; they knocked a really good, Worthen-led MU team out of the NCAAT my freshman year. Heck, during my time at Marquette, Loyola and Detroit seemed like bigger "rivals" than Wisconsin.

So yes, the facts that 1. I wasn't from anywhere near Wisconsin and 2. Madison was horrible at basketball made it not much of a rivalry to me at the time.

Obviously, after Wisconsin got good, and with the internet age making it possible to watch every game and trash-talk across the miles, then it became a big-time rivalry in my eyes.

But I have to say I'm still thrilled we're gonna play ND again! If it's at all possible for me to get to Milwaukee (and to get a ticket), I'm gonna do everything I can to go to next season's game. I hope Shaka has our guys ready to whip up a whuppin'!!
i was at MU 82-86. It wasn’t that UW was getting better at basketball, we sucked. With the parity came the hate. I’d say there’s been healthy hate since. Living in WI, RED is suffocating. They are Walmart. They are everywhere, and they have no shame. I mean, go to church on Sunday, there’s a guy wearing a ‘92 Rose Bowl sweatshirt. At yesterday’s game, Badger-guy said to me…I think you have a nice little team.  Hate!! But, sometimes…a little hate is ok.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 02:58:24 PM
I think the Wisconsin rivalry status dates back earlier--Kevin O'Neill even remarked that he was amazed at the alums that cared more about beating Wisconsin (and Notre Dame) and any other game on the schedule.   And even before that, things were heating up when Wisconsin beat us for the services of Ricky Olson.  My observation is that the rivalry with UW was already there in the late 70's early 80's, but got heated during the stretch of 8 straight UW wins in the late 80's/early 90's. 

And while UC and Louisville generated interest,  the atmosphere never reached UW/ND/DePaul levels.

I agree with this.  Again geography matters.  As a kid growing up in the MKE burbs in the 90s, I DETESTED UW basketball.   I remember it being contentious with kids in my classes in middle school. To the point that I remember celebrating Alford and Missouri St beating Dick Bennett in the tourney.  And that was before the FF run.  Bo just made it worse
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2021, 03:02:16 PM
It did not impact me when I was in school 84-88.  Not from Wisconsin.   Games usually took place during winter break.  I had season tix all 4 years and never went to a Wiscy game.    Learned to hate them later.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2021, 03:25:46 PM
Yep.  Not a rivalry.   :o :o :o

(https://marquettewire.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Screen-Shot-2017-12-04-at-12.14.36-PM.png)
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: willie warrior on December 05, 2021, 06:55:00 PM
Yep.  Not a rivalry.   :o :o :o

(https://marquettewire.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Screen-Shot-2017-12-04-at-12.14.36-PM.png)
An all time picture. Old man Hughes flipping the bird to Al while he is taunting the Bucky fans. That picture should be made into a 12 by 12 foot  blow up and hung in thr rafter at Firserv.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 10:20:43 PM
Yep.  Not a rivalry.   :o :o :o

Strawman. Few, if any, Scoopers said Madison-Marquette is not a rivalry.

I, for one, hate Madison and want to crush them. That's the case even though during my time at Marquette, the rivals were (as I and many others noted) Notre Dame and DePaul.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2021, 10:55:17 PM
Strawman. Few, if any, Scoopers said Madison-Marquette is not a rivalry.

It's a common refrain from UW-Madison fans. They say all their rivals are in the Big 10.
Title: Re: Weasel/Rodent Analysis??
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 11:51:42 PM
It's a common refrain from UW-Madison fans. They say all their rivals are in the Big 10.

I don't doubt that at all.

FBM, if that's what you meant, please accept my apologies. I obviously thought you were talking about Scoopers saying that.