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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: Skatastrophy on November 08, 2021, 07:47:13 AM
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We just had the rural anti-vax side of our family (my inlaws) realize that we were serious about not celebrating the holidays with them unless they're vaccinated. It has resulted in caustic guilt-tripping grenades being lobbed at us around "I guess you'll just never see us again then?"
Thankfully my side of the family is sane and kinder.
I'm not terribly happy that the ongoing political culture war is impacting the health of my extended family as well as our happiness around the holidays. This really has gone too far.
Just venting. What a troubling morning.
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Odd. I am currently subsidizing my wife's family. Enjoy the silence.
It is rough, skat. I feel ya, buddy.
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I heard last week that our sister plant in Appleton, WI has about half dozen people out every week with COVID.
At this point it's head shaking.
Good luck.
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I'm not terribly happy that the ongoing political culture war is impacting the health of my extended family as well as our happiness around the holidays. This really has gone too far.
Just venting. What a troubling morning.
I feel ya, Skat. My in-laws, zero problems. Everyone done, good to go. We're gonna have a great Thanksgiving with everyone.
My immediate family is vaccinated. Extended family? I have no idea. Mostly conservative politically so who the hell knows. The offense they take at even us asking makes me want to avoid it altogether.
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Just discussed this with a friend yesterday. The hostess adult son is unvaccinated, no masking, traveling from elsewhere, and she wants everyone to take a day-of test, not for safety but so they can’t blame her son if they attend and then get Covid.
She’s taking a hard pass.
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Just discussed this with a friend yesterday. The hostess adult son is unvaccinated, no masking, traveling from elsewhere, and she wants everyone to take a day-of test, not for safety but so they can’t blame her son if they attend and then get Covid.
She’s taking a hard pass.
Yikes. It is sad we are still at this point. Especially since this time of year last year seemed to be the worst of it.
We are in a similar situation as those here. Have a side of the family with some unvaccinated and there’s a decent amount of young children. Not sure there will be a smooth resolution.
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General, not intended to be antagonistic, question:
Those of you who are vaccinated and not wanting to spend holidays with the unvaccinated. Is it due to fears for your own or your vaccinated family's personal safety? If so, namely children? Is it about principal?
I totally respect your personal decisions and I completely understand the exasperation and frustration with the militantly vaccinated, I'm just curious whats driving the sentiment. I have an relative who is unvaccinated, has made various jokes during the pandemic about being a super spreader at parties/events, and who claims wearing a mask gives her a headache so she avoids it. But I also have a pair of relatives who despite having vaccines and boosters, and each having mild cases of COVID last year, won't be near anyone unvaccinated due to complete fear of getting COVID themselves. So its across the board
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General, not intended to be antagonistic, question:
Those of you who are vaccinated and not wanting to spend holidays with the vaccinated. Is it due to fears for your own or your vaccinated family's personal safety? If so, namely children? Is it about principal?
I totally respect your personal decisions and I completely understand the exasperation and frustration with the militantly vaccinated, I'm just curious whats driving the sentiment. I have an relative who is unvaccinated, has made various jokes during the pandemic about being a super spreader at parties/events, and who claims wearing a mask gives her a headache so she avoids it. But I also have a pair of relatives who despite having vaccines and boosters, and each having mild cases of COVID last year, won't be near anyone unvaccinated due to complete fear of getting COVID themselves. So its across the board
I’m guessing your first sentence meant “not wanting to spend the holidays with the unvaccinated.”
For me it is 100% having a young child who is not able to be vaccinated. I feel pretty comfortable as a vaccinated person in pretty much any setting when it’s just me. It’s the potential of exposing her to it.
I typically wear a mask to the grocery store or larger indoor gatherings just as a further precaution against a breakthrough case. Not because I’m worried about myself, but moreso my child. It’s probably not the most rational thought, but makes me feel more comfortable that I’m lowering the risk of passing something on.
Being a young child, she would probably be fine, but willing to take some extra steps to avoid worrying about it.
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General, not intended to be antagonistic, question:
Those of you who are vaccinated and not wanting to spend holidays with the vaccinated. Is it due to fears for your own or your vaccinated family's personal safety? If so, namely children? Is it about principal?
I totally respect your personal decisions and I completely understand the exasperation and frustration with the militantly vaccinated, I'm just curious whats driving the sentiment. I have an relative who is unvaccinated, has made various jokes during the pandemic about being a super spreader at parties/events, and who claims wearing a mask gives her a headache so she avoids it. But I also have a pair of relatives who despite having vaccines and boosters, and each having mild cases of COVID last year, won't be near anyone unvaccinated due to complete fear of getting COVID themselves. So its across the board
I feel that there is a social obligation to not knowingly contribute to the spread of the pandemic. I feel that my unvaccinated family members, two of whom have jobs that take them into other people's homes daily, are immoral. Additionally, them putting themselves at very high risk, would put me at significantly higher risk of becoming a part of the problem.
I'm not overly concerned for the health of my wife or I. I see the pandemic as a short-term, severe challenge for our entire healthcare system. Our hospitals have been struggling due to the pandemic for the first ~12 months of this, and now these culture warrior dumb-dumbs for the past ~9 months.
Now we are close to being in a position that the combo of a vaccine + post-infection drugs take the strain off of our healthcare system. Until that point I'm ensuring I can continue to hang out with my friends that have unvaccinated children and insist on creating a vaccinated bubble around those kids. I'm also ensuring that the next time someone needs surgery like I just recently had, that they don't have it delayed for months because of the anti-vaxx nerds putting so much strain on hospitals.
So it's a combo of logical for-the-greater-good and some personal grievances.
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Part concern for the little ones, part not wanting to spend time with people that obtuse.
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I am fortunate that everyone I am likely to see this Thanksgiving and Christmas are vaccinated.
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I feel that there is a social obligation to not knowingly contribute to the spread of the pandemic. I feel that my unvaccinated family members, two of whom have jobs that take them into other people's homes daily, are immoral. Additionally, them putting themselves at very high risk, would put me at significantly higher risk of becoming a part of the problem.
I'm not overly concerned for the health of my wife or I. I see the pandemic as a short-term, severe challenge for our entire healthcare system. Our hospitals have been struggling due to the pandemic for the first ~12 months of this, and now these culture warrior dumb-dumbs for the past ~9 months.
Now we are close to being in a position that the combo of a vaccine + post-infection drugs take the strain off of our healthcare system. Until that point I'm ensuring I can continue to hang out with my friends that have unvaccinated children and insist on creating a vaccinated bubble around those kids. I'm also ensuring that the next time someone needs surgery like I just recently had, that they don't have it delayed for months because of the anti-vaxx nerds putting so much strain on hospitals.
So it's a combo of logical for-the-greater-good and some personal grievances.
Great post. You saved me a lot of time typing as I feel the same.
I don't associate with the unvaccinated or trump supporters out of principle. Fortunately, very few people in my life fit those criteria, so I have only disassociated myself from a couple people.
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I don’t disassociate myself from anyone. I don’t feel morally superior to anyone because of their politics or vaccination status. I’m thrice vaxxed myself and in good health so for me other people’s choices have become a moot point. My circle of friends includes Trumpsters, Bidenites and Bernieboys. I don’t agree with any of them but the ones I count as friends are interesting and good people. Reading Skat’s and Jockey’s posts make me sad.
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I don’t disassociate myself from anyone. I don’t feel morally superior to anyone because of their politics or vaccination status. I’m thrice vaxxed myself and in good health so for me other people’s choices have become a moot point. My circle of friends includes Trumpsters, Bidenites and Bernieboys. I don’t agree with any of them but the ones I count as friends are interesting and good people. Reading Skat’s and Jockey’s posts make me sad.
Sounds like you feel morally superior to a lot of people here, though.
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Getting vaccinated to help in stopping the spread of a deadly pandemic is a morally superior position than willfully staying unvaccinated. (Provided you are able to be vaccinated of course.)
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Covid has forced me to be more intentional about the ROI of traveling to see extended family. A lot of my family isn't vaxxed, and I've just decided the whole thing isn't worth it since covid started. Before I had gone to see family for holidays without really thinking about it, but I enjoyed the holidays either quiet at home or with my covid bubble last year, and I'll be damned if I'm going to risk my time with that group or risk introducing covid into that group or their kids now just to go through the motions with extended family that I don't have all that much in common with anyway.
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I don’t disassociate myself from anyone. I don’t feel morally superior to anyone because of their politics or vaccination status. I’m thrice vaxxed myself and in good health so for me other people’s choices have become a moot point. My circle of friends includes Trumpsters, Bidenites and Bernieboys. I don’t agree with any of them but the ones I count as friends are interesting and good people. Reading Skat’s and Jockey’s posts make me sad.
Maybe this is what you meant, but the only people disassociating in my post are my family members that flipped out when we said we were passing on thanksgiving/chrismas during the pandemic. I feel sad for them too, they're angry because they watch OAN/Fox. Maybe they'll get over it, but maybe not based on the size of the guilt trip around "not seeing the girls grow up" even though they're "non-judgemental about people's choices."
It frees up time for us to go to our friendsgiving instead of a family thing, which will honestly be more fun anyway. I'll get to see my friend's parents who I haven't spent time quality time with since before college.
I don't have enough time for everyone in my life, which happens if you're popular and good-looking like myself. If people choose to opt-out because of their intensely felt feelings around dumb stuff like getting vaccinated? Good riddance IMO. I'll see you whenever you calm back down I guess.
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Your thanksgiving, your choice.
8-)
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It has to be better than last Thanksgiving. My wife was quarantining with active COVID and I had to do all of the cooking and take it to her in the basement. Good times.
Although, I do recommend the boneless turkey breast/roll in the crock pot. Very simple, very juicy. Throw in a gravy packet at the beginning and the gravy pretty much takes care of itself.
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I don’t disassociate myself from anyone. I don’t feel morally superior to anyone because of their politics or vaccination status. I’m thrice vaxxed myself and in good health so for me other people’s choices have become a moot point. My circle of friends includes Trumpsters, Bidenites and Bernieboys. I don’t agree with any of them but the ones I count as friends are interesting and good people. Reading Skat’s and Jockey’s posts make me sad.
I still have plenty of republican friends. I no longer have trump-supporting friends. Maybe I'm crazy, but an attempted coup kinda makes me that way.
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Sounds like you feel morally superior to a lot of people here, though.
Not at all. I can be as judgmental as anyone and often am. But I’m also selfish and want to be happy. When I let anger and judgement win the day it doesn’t make me anything like happy. So I try (frequently unsuccessfully) to avoid them. As we say around here, it’s a process.
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Although, I do recommend the boneless turkey breast/roll in the crock pot. Very simple, very juicy.
I've done three frozen "turkeys in a bag" in the past few months. Keep it in the freezer, pop it in the oven for 2.5 hours, done. The bag keeps all the juices in there, so it's kinda always basting itself.
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I've done three frozen "turkeys in a bag" in the past few months. Keep it in the freezer, pop it in the oven for 2.5 hours, done. The bag keeps all the juices in there, so it's kinda always basting itself.
Heresy!
I suppose you slide your cranberry sauce out of a can, too.
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I've done three frozen "turkeys in a bag" in the past few months. Keep it in the freezer, pop it in the oven for 2.5 hours, done. The bag keeps all the juices in there, so it's kinda always basting itself.
Sounds like something I want to try. What temp?
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Heresy!
I suppose you slide your cranberry sauce out of a can, too.
I leave it in the can. Ghastly.
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cranberry sauce
I've never understood that awful thanksgiving tradition. You probably add celery to it too !?!?
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Heresy!
I suppose you slide your cranberry sauce out of a can, too.
But it is cool how it wiggles out of the container and still holds the ridge marks from the interior of the can.
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I've never understood that awful thanksgiving tradition. You probably add celery to it too !?!?
Celery? Da faq?
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Sounds like something I want to try. What temp?
It's this product:
(https://images.albertsons-media.com/is/image/ABS/960221016)
And yes, my cranberry sauce comes from a can. My mother-in-law makes some gastly glop with berries and nuts and other awfulness.
Slide it out of a can, save the homemade stuff for hippies.
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And yes, my cranberry sauce comes from a can. My mother-in-law makes some gastly glop with berries and nuts and other awfulness.
Slide it out of a can, save the homemade stuff for hippies.
Arby's...
Can molded cranberry goop.
Checks out.
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And yes, my cranberry sauce comes from a can. My mother-in-law makes some gastly glop with berries and nuts and other awfulness.
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Ew, no! Cranberries, sugar, and water. That's it.
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Ew, no! Cranberries, sugar, and water. That's it.
This, and maybe a bit of orange and some brandy 😎
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Ew, no! Cranberries, sugar, and water. That's it.
Good only for bladder infections
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It looks like another surge is starting. Vaccines are the answer.
This from the always level-headed David Leonhardt:
For most people, the vaccines remain remarkably effective at turning Covid into a manageable illness that’s less dangerous than some everyday activities.
The main dividing line is age. In Minnesota, which publishes detailed Covid data, the death rate for fully vaccinated people under 50 during the Delta surge this year was 0.0 per 100,000 — meaning, so few people died that the rate rounds to zero.
Washington State is another place that publishes statistics by age and vaccination status. In its most recent report, Washington did not even include a death rate for fully vaccinated residents under 65. It was too low to be meaningful.
Hospitalization rates are also very low for vaccinated people under 65. In Minnesota during the Delta surge, the average weekly hospitalization rate for vaccinated residents between 18 and 49 was about 1 per 100,000.
To put that in perspective, I looked up data for some other medical problems. During a typical week in the U.S., nearly 3 people per 100,000 visit an emergency room because of a bicycle crash. The rate for vehicle crashes is about 20 per 100,000.
Covid is the threat on many of our minds. But for most people under 65, the virus may present less risk than a car trip to visit relatives this week. “The vaccination, I think, changes everything,” Dustin Johnston, 40, a photographer in Michigan who plans to gather with family, told The Times.
The situation is more frightening for older people, especially those in their 80s and 90s. For the oldest age groups, Covid presents a real risk even after vaccination. It appears to be more dangerous than a typical flu and much more dangerous than time spent riding in a vehicle, based on C.D.C. data.
As a result, older Americans need protection during a surge. (The same is also true of a small percentage of younger people with specific vulnerabilities to Covid, like organ-transplant recipients.) The most effective way to protect vulnerable people is through vaccination — not only of them but also of others who might infect them.
Children 5 and older, who are now eligible for vaccines, are an example. Covid remains overwhelmingly mild for them. But vaccinated children are less likely to infect other people than unvaccinated children, and a mild Covid case in a child can turn into a deadly case for an elderly grandparent.
The argument for booster shots can be similar. Most younger and middle-aged adults who have received two Covid vaccine shots remain highly protected from severe illness (as these charts show). But the vaccines do seem to wane enough to make people more susceptible to a mild infection they could pass on to a vulnerable person. All Americans age 18 and up are now eligible for booster shots if their most recent shot was at least six month ago.
When discussion of boosters started a few months ago, I was somewhat skeptical, because the evidence of their benefit for most individuals was thin. Their communal value now seems clear, though. I recently got a booster shot, mostly because I will be spending time with older relatives in the coming weeks. The case for booster shots among people over 65 is even stronger.
If you’re anxious about the risks of your Thanksgiving gathering to older people, I’d offer three pieces of advice. One, insist that anybody in your house be fully vaccinated if eligible. Two, encourage people to get tested — either at a testing center or with an at-home rapid test — before coming. Three, once the day arrives, try to put aside your Covid anxiety and enjoy the holiday.
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Door #3, aina?
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Door #3, aina?
Absolutely, along with doors #1 and 2.
It shouldn’t be an either/or.
Let’s actually work to get rid of COVID-19, nu?
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We are having a family celebration for our middle son and wife getting married pre covid. This is 100% family, but roughly 55 people and all but three are vaccinated. We asked those three to take a rapid test the day of the party. Thankfully, all three agreed with no conversation. We have three kids under 2 and my 85y mother in coming and I did not want to take the risk. I probably would not have said anything if not for the babies and grandma, but I am happy they are getting tested.
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We are having a family celebration for our middle son and wife getting married pre covid. This is 100% family, but roughly 55 people and all but three are vaccinated. We asked those three to take a rapid test the day of the party. Thankfully, all three agreed with no conversation. We have three kids under 2 and my 85y mother in coming and I did not want to take the risk. I probably would not have said anything if not for the babies and grandma, but I am happy they are getting tested.
A very reasonable request. I hope you have a wonderful family gathering, Goose!
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Thank you.
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We are having a family celebration for our middle son and wife getting married pre covid. This is 100% family, but roughly 55 people and all but three are vaccinated. We asked those three to take a rapid test the day of the party. Thankfully, all three agreed with no conversation. We have three kids under 2 and my 85y mother in coming and I did not want to take the risk. I probably would not have said anything if not for the babies and grandma, but I am happy they are getting tested.
With reliable and readily available testing there is absolutely no reason not to use them for the exact reason you explained goose.
Gives both grandma piece of mind as well as the unvaccinated family members that everyone can celebrate and enjoy each other’s company guilt free. Happy Thanksgiving Goose!!!
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Thanks, pace. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
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Looks like the pandemic is staging the latest version of "The War on Christmas."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/santa-shortage-alternatives/2021/11/25/1f117c96-489f-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3565580%2F61a4c2a89d2fdab56ba7b44a%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F26%2F41%2F61a4c2a89d2fdab56ba7b44a
Thanks to pandemic risks, there are fewer jolly old bearded men available this year. Prepare to see younger Santas with less-than-stellar beards.
Meanwhile, real and artificial Christmas trees are also less available and more expensive because of shipping and labor problems.
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I have to say .. we had three different Thanksgiving celebrations with various groups, my wife's side, my side of the family, plus a friend group over the past two weeks.
All told, indoor dinners seating 49 people ages 7 to 92. All vaccinated.
(Knock on wood, 4 days since the last dinner) .. zero cases.
Thanks, science.
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I have to say .. we had three different Thanksgiving celebrations with various groups, my wife's side, my side of the family, plus a friend group over the past two weeks.
All told, indoor dinners seating 49 people ages 7 to 92. All vaccinated.
(Knock on wood, 4 days since the last dinner) .. zero cases.
Thanks, science.
I know that Delta has highlighted that the vaccines aren't 100% in preventing transmission. But it feels like we have gone overboard on broadcasting the nonzero transmission risk at the expense of focusing on how amazing the vaccines still are reducing/blunting transmission.
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I know that Delta has highlighted that the vaccines aren't 100% in preventing transmission. But it feels like we have gone overboard on broadcasting the nonzero transmission risk at the expense of focusing on how amazing the vaccines still are reducing/blunting transmission.
Yeah, this thing has proven that there's a lot of smart people that don't get statistics.
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I have to say .. we had three different Thanksgiving celebrations with various groups, my wife's side, my side of the family, plus a friend group over the past two weeks.
All told, indoor dinners seating 49 people ages 7 to 92. All vaccinated.
(Knock on wood, 4 days since the last dinner) .. zero cases.
Thanks, science.
Sounds great. Live your life.
Invite vaccinated people only. F the unvaccinated. They don't care about us. We shouldn't care about them.
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Four people of nine on one of my crews tested positive yesterday or today. Only one was vaxxed.
We made it to this point with only two positives in the entire company.
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Wonder if she's a dentist.
https://twitter.com/JimmyTraina/status/1468981212169523211?s=20
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Wonder if she's a dentist.
https://twitter.com/JimmyTraina/status/1468981212169523211?s=20
I made it until the tinkling bells and her saying "I" and that was as far as I could go before the dark thoughts crept in.
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Well I was exposed at my fiancés family party Sunday. I have one test. Should I wait till Friday (my family has a negative test before our party requirement) or take it asap 🤔
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Well I was exposed at my fiancés family party Sunday. I have one test. Should I wait till Friday (my family has a negative test before our party requirement) or take it asap 🤔
If you don't have any obligations between now and Friday that would otherwise require you to test, I'd probably wait. The closer to your family party, the better.
The lack of availability of at-home tests is and has been a damn travesty.
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If you can find a quick test place I would do that, though tomorrow would be better. Save the home one for Friday, if it’s positive then stay home.
Omicron incubates faster than the other straibs, but today might still be too soon.
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It is crazy, but I am not sure if our Xmas celebration is going to happen or not. We have two family members that were exposed to Covid this week, two family members flying this week and three family members (in-laws) not vaccinated and there is going to be taking a lot of rapid home tests on Friday. I do not have a good feeling about 100% attendance this year.
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That would be a hard ‘no’ for me I think, frankly. The home tests aren’t reliable enough IMO for that scenario.
We’re a small group and all boosted- I did a PCR yesterday, and at least some of us will home test as well.
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All of the adults in my family are thrice vaccinated. 3 of us also had the Alpha Variant on November of 2020. The next generation all have had at least two shots. We are likely to have it, though we aren't scheduled to do until 1/2/22. So a lot can happen in the next 11 days.
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If you don't have any obligations between now and Friday that would otherwise require you to test, I'd probably wait. The closer to your family party, the better.
The lack of availability of at-home tests is and has been a damn travesty.
Drove out to Wheaton and they had plenty. It pays to have gone door to door for the DNC thus know which communities are likely not taking this seriously.
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Well I was exposed at my fiancés family party Sunday. I have one test. Should I wait till Friday (my family has a negative test before our party requirement) or take it asap 🤔
My son was exposed on Sunday as well. The CDC says to test 5-7 days after exposure (or immediately if you have symptoms.) -- However, the note I got from school about his exposure said to test after 3 days, which seems really fast.
This .. in addition, my 79-year old in-laws tested positive last week after being boosted just a month ago. MIL had a rough day or two, FIL was asymptomatic until he lost his sense of smell/taste. In theory, they will test today and might test negative, so we might make the drive for xmas.
On the plus side, we were originally worried we'd give it to them, but now that's taken off the table!
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Well I was exposed at my fiancés family party Sunday. I have one test. Should I wait till Friday (my family has a negative test before our party requirement) or take it asap 🤔
Test yo' self.
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My son was exposed on Sunday as well. The CDC says to test 5-7 days after exposure (or immediately if you have symptoms.) -- However, the note I got from school about his exposure said to test after 3 days, which seems really fast.
This .. in addition, my 79-year old in-laws tested positive last week after being boosted just a month ago. MIL had a rough day or two, FIL was asymptomatic until he lost his sense of smell/taste. In theory, they will test today and might test negative, so we might make the drive for xmas.
On the plus side, we were originally worried we'd give it to them, but now that's taken off the table!
Omicron (which is the vast majority of new cases) is usually only 3 days before you're testing positive.
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Omicron (which is the vast majority of new cases) is usually only 3 days before you're testing positive.
Is this timing more about accuracy of the test confirming Y/N someone "is infected" or Y/N someone "is contagious"? Meaning if I test negative say 2 days after an exposure do I at least have reasonable confidence of not spreading? It is my understanding that a negative test is still reasonable confidence that you don't have a viral load high enough to spread but I dont recall why I hold that opinion/fact?.
I haven't been (to my knowledge) exposed but am curious on how to think about that 0 to 3 to 5 day window and what a negative test tells me. I think anyone not bunkered is going to have exposures here in the coming months.
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I avoided my wife’s family XMas party this year. My wife did attend. We have one avid anti-vaxxer in the family so I made it perfectly clear why I wouldn’t attend.
We will be going to both of our kids houses on XMas day for brunch and supper. All are vaccinated. We will then get together with all of our kids and grandkids on New Years Eve.
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I avoided my wife’s family XMas party this year. My wife did attend.
Sleepin’ in the guest room ‘til the New Year, Jockey?
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I avoided my wife’s family XMas party this year. My wife did attend.
I don't get this....if your wife attended, and you live in the same house as your wife, isn't that basically the same thing as if you attended? I mean I get that if you both attended there would be a slightly higher chance of one of you catching covid if it was present, but unless you quarantine from your spouse now for a few days (and maybe you are), not sure I get the point. Not trying to be snarky, but my wife and I have had some of these same conversations, so curious what the thought process was.
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I don't get this....if your wife attended, and you live in the same house as your wife, isn't that basically the same thing as if you attended? I mean I get that if you both attended there would be a slightly higher chance of one of you catching covid if it was present, but unless you quarantine from your spouse now for a few days (and maybe you are), not sure I get the point. Not trying to be snarky, but my wife and I have had some of these same conversations, so curious what the thought process was.
Neither of us are worried about catching the virus. We are both boosted.
I didn't attend because I don't associate with anti-vaxxers out of principle. It was a tough decision for my wife as she feels the same way. But she is close to her family and decided to go. BTW, I am also pretty tight with all of her family except for the one anti-vaxxer. One other nephew is also unvaccinated, but that is because of a medical condition. I still get together him occasionally.
Normally, the party is at our house. We decided not to host this year out of respect for my niece. We wouldn't have felt right inviting her and the kids, but telling her husband he was not welcome in our house. (I have never had any blowout with him - I just don't associate any more with that crowd).
Good to have these discussions and my only advice would be to respect each other's opinion.
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Ah I get it now. Our conversation revolves around my Mom who has COPD. We all have been vaccinated and boosted, including my Mom, but my wife's brother is neither. She is going to be seeing him Christmas eve and I won't be going. I am seeing my Mom on Christmas day and we decided that my wife won't be going due to seeing her brother the night before. So my wife and I will sleep in separate bedrooms Christmas even night etc, social distance and all of that, and then hopefully it won't be an issue. I know Omicron is much quicker at making someone contagious, but I think I should be safe to see Mom on Christmas day. My wife has stated quite strongly that she does not want to be the one to give my Mom covid. I get it. Even with the vaccine and boosted we worry it could still be very bad for her. As you stated, I am not overly concerned for myself (but to be honest still don't want to get it again), but yes very concerned for my Mom.
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Neither of us are worried about catching the virus. We are both boosted.
I didn't attend because I don't associate with anti-vaxxers out of principle. It was a tough decision for my wife as she feels the same way. But she is close to her family and decided to go. BTW, I am also pretty tight with all of her family except for the one anti-vaxxer. One other nephew is also unvaccinated, but that is because of a medical condition. I still get together him occasionally.
Normally, the party is at our house. We decided not to host this year out of respect for my niece. We wouldn't have felt right inviting her and the kids, but telling her husband he was not welcome in our house. (I have never had any blowout with him - I just don't associate any more with that crowd).
Legit question...what are your feelings about a woman's right to choose, hey?
Good to have these discussions and my only advice would be to respect each other's opinion.
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I believe in it.
And I believe in my, as well as his, right to avoid anti-vaxxers whenever possible.
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setting aside their impact on the risk associated with gathering, there's also the fact that antivaxxers are declaring that their priorities are inherently selfish that makes them less appealing to socialize with.
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So, does Jockey associate with women who are pro-choice, hey?
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I am sure he does.
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So, does Jockey associate with women who are pro-choice, hey?
You're more of a forced pregnancy guy, eh?
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So, does Jockey associate with women who are pro-choice, hey?
Probably not, but if you had ever caught abortion, you wouldn't either.
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Oh I see, we're free to pick and choose our hypocrisies. Let freedom ring, aina?
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Merry Christmas man.
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No hypocrisy. Freedom to associate, aina?
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The tolerant and open minded left on display. Sad!
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Ah I get it now. Our conversation revolves around my Mom who has COPD. We all have been vaccinated and boosted, including my Mom, but my wife's brother is neither. She is going to be seeing him Christmas eve and I won't be going. I am seeing my Mom on Christmas day and we decided that my wife won't be going due to seeing her brother the night before. So my wife and I will sleep in separate bedrooms Christmas even night etc, social distance and all of that, and then hopefully it won't be an issue. I know Omicron is much quicker at making someone contagious, but I think I should be safe to see Mom on Christmas day. My wife has stated quite strongly that she does not want to be the one to give my Mom covid. I get it. Even with the vaccine and boosted we worry it could still be very bad for her. As you stated, I am not overly concerned for myself (but to be honest still don't want to get it again), but yes very concerned for my Mom.
Completely understand. Pre-vaccine, ensuring my MiL’s safety from the virus was our highest priority. I’m in my late 60s and have never been in the hospital my entire life, so I wasn’t all that worried about myself. We isolated so we didn’t spread it to her.
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Probably not, but if you had ever caught abortion, you wouldn't either.
That is funny.
I am pro-choice - at least until abortion becomes contagious.
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Oh I see, we're free to pick and choose our hypocrisies. Let freedom ring, aina?
WTF are you even talking about?
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The tolerant and open minded left on display. Sad!
How so? I mean, I get the snowflake reflex and all, but what is the moral deficiency of Jockey's position?
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Give 4ever a break, he’s still processing 45 being cloned by Soros to make us communists
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The tolerant and open minded left on display. Sad!
It's like you guys actively avoid my recommendation to look into the tolerance paradox.
Also this isn't the genius point you think it is, it's a false comparison. An abortion and right to choose effects no conscious human other than themselves, it boils down to "my bodily autonomy choice outweighs your discomfort with the concept". The anti vax/anti mask people are spreading disease essentially relying on "my bodily autonomy choice outweighs your choice to be healthy"
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Da vaccinated can spread covid also. No one really is "safe," hey?
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Da vaccinated can spread covid also, hey?
less likely to.
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WTF are you even talking about?
Logical fallacies, as usual.
Simple brains work this way.
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Da vaccinated can spread covid also. No one really is "safe," hey?
"Medical professional"
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Diluted weak sauce...ewe kan due bedder dan dis, kemosabe, aina?
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Well who all has been exposed now that the holidays are over?
I'm at two exposures so far.
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Goose.
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tower
Yes, we had family gatherings planned from the 23rd-26th and all had no shows due to positive testing. Disappointing because this was first year with older granddaughters being old enough to really enjoy the moment.
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Hang in there.
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Well who all has been exposed now that the holidays are over?
I'm at two exposures so far.
Me.
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Well who all has been exposed now that the holidays are over?
I'm at two exposures so far.
My oldest daughter (double vaxxed, boosted and previously infected) tested positive two days after we stayed at her house. My wife and I (and her family) are still negative 4 days out.
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My oldest daughter (double vaxxed, boosted and previously infected) tested positive two days after we stayed at her house. My wife and I (and her family) are still negative 4 days out.
Nice hope you stay that way! We found out my fiancés sister (fully vaccinated) tested positive yesterday. We were with her all day on Christmas. Literally had just breathed a sigh of relief about her cousin from last week
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I hope you stay negative, but CDC guidance is now to test 5-7 days out, so fingers crossed.
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My oldest daughter (double vaxxed, boosted and previously infected) tested positive two days after we stayed at her house. My wife and I (and her family) are still negative 4 days out.
My coworker's husband was positive on Friday, and the coworker has been negative three days straight.
Weird stuff, man.
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My youngest son tested positive on Xmas Day and still is not feeling well. His live in GF has tested negative and our house tested negative as well. All three of us currently at home are triple jabbed and so is his GF. I was surprised by our negative tests because I was with my son three nights in a row.
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Omicron is behaving weirdly. Someone in our Vaccine Hunters group reported that she tested negative with mild symptoms until she took advice she found on Twitter and did a throat swab as well as a nasal swab. There is some data showing saliva test picks it up better.
Also I read an article ( I have to find it) that mild symptoms are showing up a couple days before testing positive, which the author said was good in that the vaccines are picking up the infection before it gets strong enough to show on a test or be contagious.
Also guidance now is to test 5-7 days from exposure, not 3-5, unless symptomatic, so tests could be too soon.
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Also I read an article ( I have to find it) that mild symptoms are showing up a couple days before testing positive, which the author said was good in that the vaccines are picking up the infection before it gets strong enough to show on a test or be contagious.
Is this the article you were looking for?
https://slate.com/technology/2021/12/rapid-test-covid-symptoms-negative-why.html
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Yes it is.
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Well who all has been exposed now that the holidays are over?
I'm at two exposures so far.
Was exposed by my assistant 12/21. Tested negative on Thursday and Saturday, went out to Ruth’s Chris one night, Christmas dinner with friends, brewery on Sunday, working out every day, living our lives.
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Testing the 23rd and 25th after being exposed on the 21st was too soon.
I dropped off a Binax with a friend on Christmas Eve. She was very happy to tell me on Saturday she was negative, I asked if she had been exposed, as I knew she wasn’t gathering for Christmas until next weekend. Turns out she was worried about the Metra on Thursday. I told her not to even think about using the second test the next day, as she planned, because she had tested way too early. I was like, please don’t waste any more of these hard to find tests like that.
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Testing the 23rd and 25th after being exposed on the 21st was too soon.
I dropped off a Binax with a friend on Christmas Eve. She was very happy to tell me on Saturday she was negative, I asked if she had been exposed, as I knew she wasn’t gathering for Christmas until next weekend. Turns out she was worried about the Metra on Thursday. I told her not to even think about using the second test the next day, as she planned, because she had tested way too early. I was like, please don’t waste any more of these hard to find tests like that.
I followed the advice on timing of the medical professional who gave me access to the tests for me to bring home.
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Ok, just relaying from different stuff I’ve read.
Just glad they were negative really.
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Well at least I made it through the holidays before turning positive.
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I followed the advice on timing of the medical professional who gave me access to the tests for me to bring home.
Your medical professional provided poor advice. Antigen tests are typically inaccurate until a 1-2 days after symptom onset.
An incubation period of 3-days is on the short end, so unlikely to show positive on an antigen test until 4-7 days after exposure.
Hoping you are still negative, but your medical professional has a poor understanding of disease progression and testing accuracies. This is not that unusual as most have limited understanding of this new disease, and do not necessarily read/understand the testing literature. And recent CDC guidance is misleading.
Most people I know that were tested regularly after exposure are negative on day 4/5 still (even if symptomatic), positive on day 6 after exposure. This is one of the reasons I'm against some of the CDC's new rules. Whereas individuals are likely to be symptomatic after 5-days post exposure, they quite likely may be COVID negative on antigen tests.
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He may have misinterpreted the "medical professional's" advice. You can test positive as soon as day 3, but you really aren't in the clear until day six as I understand it.
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There are all sorts of anecdotal stories in the Vaccine Hunters group of people testing positive on rapid tests or home tests, negative in PCR’’s, vice versa, and the timelines vary wildly as well. Also complicating matters is that there are other things floating around as well.
Omicron is just all over the place.
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He may have misinterpreted the "medical professional's" advice. You can test positive as soon as day 3, but you really aren't in the clear until day six as I understand it.
I agree with this. This is consistent with everything I've seen regarding testing accuracy.
I would never test before day 4. Although you could test positive earlier, it would have poor diagnostic utility (more likely to be a false negative).
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I agree with this. This is consistent with everything I've seen regarding testing accuracy.
I would never test before day 4. Although you could test positive earlier, it would have poor diagnostic utility (more likely to be a false negative).
I think with Omicron experts are starting to suggest day three though.
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I think with Omicron experts are starting to suggest day three though.
Omicron does proliferate more rapidly in the nose and throat, which would suggest earlier positive antigen tests, but more data is needed.
Even then, I personally would advise to wait until at least day 4, because you wouldn't know which strain your were exposed to, and knowing on day 3 vs. day 4 does not provide a diagnostic benefit and would just strain testing supplies.
Until day 5, everyone should be quarantining if exposed, unless you are essential personnel and have a booster, under which case you can work, but must wear an N95 or respirator in all public spaces (CDC current guidance).
If you are symptomatic, wait 24-hours before testing. That is unlikely to occur before day 4, and you are still not allowed to return to public spaces at all until either 5 days have elapsed (return on day 6), and you have had no fever for over 24-hours without taking Tylenol or other suppressants.
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I should add a caveat to the above post.
If you are an individual who would be at risk for severe infection, including hospitalization/death, then I would recommend early testing by day 3.
There is a diagnostic benefit in these individuals as you could initiate monoclonal antibodies earlier to stem severe infection risks.
This is a relatively small component of the population so would not be generally advisable, and would not strain the testing supply.
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There are all sorts of anecdotal stories in the Vaccine Hunters group of people testing positive on rapid tests or home tests, negative in PCR’’s, vice versa, and the timelines vary wildly as well. Also complicating matters is that there are other things floating around as well.
Omicron is just all over the place.
Home tests are kind of jank for Omicron. I've heard people testing negative, and then swabbing their throats instead of nasals, and the test shows positive.
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Yes that has been discussed in our FB group as well. It how the UK tests I believe. Though the home tests advise against doing that. There is some evidence that Omicron will show up in the throat before the nose. I wonder how that impacts saliva-based tests.
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Yes that has been discussed in our FB group as well. It how the UK tests I believe. Though the home tests advise against doing that. There is some evidence that Omicron will show up in the throat before the nose. I wonder how that impacts saliva-based tests.
Now that you mention it when I left Ireland they did swab my throat as well. Didn't think anything of it till just now.
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Now that you mention it when I left Ireland they did swab my throat as well. Didn't think anything of it till just now.
That wasn't a swab, kimosabe.
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My younger daughter was over a friend's house yesterday evening as she was exchanging Christmas presents with 5 high school friends.
One of the girls informed the group this morning that she found out she is COVID positive. Apparently, she went for testing yesterday before the gathering. Everyone is very angry especially the parents who had the gathering at their house. She obviously should have stayed home. The inconsideration. My daughter said she was acting evasive during the gathering and they couldn't figure out why.
My house is vaxed and boosted so we're hoping for the best. The wrinkle is my older daughter is leaving for France this Sunday for study abroad. Hoping COVID doesn't screw up travel plans.
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I would be angry as well.
I think the recommendation is that close contacts should mask, and with someone leaving for France that might be a good extra precaution to take in her part as well. Use a good quality mask.
Fingers crossed everyone stays well.
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Everyone is very angry especially the parents who had the gathering at their house.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but curious. Was she not feeling well? Did everyone else test before the gathering? Was everyone vaccinated?
Perhaps I'm inconsiderate, but I haven't been testing before gatherings. I haven't asked my friends. I know they are vaccinated though. If I didn't feel well, I would certainly just stay home (not get a test and then show up).
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Not trying to be antagonistic, but curious. Was she not feeling well? Did everyone else test before the gathering? Was everyone vaccinated?
Perhaps I'm inconsiderate, but I haven't been testing before gatherings. I haven't asked my friends. I know they are vaccinated though. If I didn't feel well, I would certainly just stay home (not get a test and then show up).
Daughter said her friend did not look sick, but obviously something triggered her to get tested.
Everyone at her gathering was vaccinated according to my daughter.
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Daughter said her friend did not look sick, but obviously something triggered her to get tested.
Everyone at her gathering was vaccinated according to my daughter.
This is frustrating. I had to quarantine because I tested positive. After two days, I felt fine but my employer has the 5 day quarantine mandated. After 5, tested clear and returned to work but have to mask for 5 more.
My frustration is knowing guys I work with have the symptoms and feel like crud and won’t take the time off or get tested. I also know they’re not masking. What happens? More spread of this virulent strain, more sickness.
Bite the bullet. Quarantine and get well if you test positive or feel sick. I know my job isn’t important enough that 5 days in January will matter. My NYE and NY days plan went up in smoke but it was a simple sacrifice.
Point of this ramble? Selfishness isn’t going to help and continues to hinder
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Point of this ramble? Selfishness isn’t going to help and continues to hinder
The Golden Rule is so easy to remember. Do unto others as you would want done unto you.
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Both times I got COVID, it was from close friends who chose to ignore their symptoms.
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Both times I got COVID, it was from close friends who chose to ignore their symptoms.
Sounds like you should stop hanging out with friends. Pretty reckless behavior in the first place.
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The first time was at work. My friend came to work symptomatic. The second time was the first time we had guests in our home since February 2020. So, yeah, I need fewer friends.
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The first time was at work. My friend came to work symptomatic. The second time was the first time we had guests in our home since February 2020. So, yeah, I need fewer friends.
Be nice if Americans didn't feel they had to come to work sick
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Relax, they're high school age teenagers. Unless someone is immunocompromised or has co-morbidities, nothing is likely to happen to any of them. In fact, testing positive for covid is their best protection against covid going forward.
Playing "dodge the virus" is not only a poor strategy, its impossible, aina?
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Relax, they're high school age teenagers. Unless someone is immunocompromised or has co-morbidities, nothing is likely to happen to any of them.
Of course, they may have parents, grandparents, friends, neighbors who have those traits...
In fact, testing positive for covid is their best protection against covid going forward.
Perhaps, but likely not.
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Relax, they're high school age teenagers. Unless someone is immunocompromised or has co-morbidities, nothing is likely to happen to any of them. In fact, testing positive for covid is their best protection against covid going forward.
Playing "dodge the virus" is not only a poor strategy, its impossible, aina?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/raheem-mosterts-wife-says-young-son-was-rushed-to-hospital-with-high-fever-covid-19-002322504.html
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Anecdotal, hey?
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Anecdotal, hey?
Yeah. Hospitalizations are way up for Omicron, but that's mostly attributed to Omicron/Delta spreading so quickly and children >5yo having a low vaccination rate. Overall omicron is much less serious.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/28/health/omicron-kids-hospitalizations.html
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Relax, they're high school age teenagers. Unless someone is immunocompromised or has co-morbidities, nothing is likely to happen to any of them. In fact, testing positive for covid is their best protection against covid going forward.
Playing "dodge the virus" is not only a poor strategy, its impossible, aina?
Actually, getting vaccinated is. But who would listen to science.