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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on October 26, 2021, 07:51:12 PM
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I would think JLew has the most FGA'a. Then maybe Morsell? I'm a bit concerned this team could have offensive droughts and struggle at times in the half-court. What do people think about our transition prowess? Can we generate buckets from our defense a la Shaka's havoc days? I understand this year is a process but we have a very tough non-c schedule for a young crew. All that said if we can establish a solid defense, and force turns, anything is possible. My biggest worry is offense in the half-court and mincing the mesh from downtown.
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You don't even know that Lewis is starting.
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You don't even know that Lewis is starting.
He's not starting? Who do you think leads us in scoring?
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His point is we do t really know anything about this team. How can we speculate. It’s a better question after a few games.
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He's not starting? Who do you think leads us in scoring?
There are less knowns than with any other team in memory. Muggsy, we are going to have to wait.
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How can we speculate.
That's about all "we" do. Well, 25% is observation, about 75% is speculation.
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His point is we do t really know anything about this team. How can we speculate. It’s a better question after a few games.
I’ve never understood comments like this on a message board. Pre season talk is all speculation. Have some fun or skip over the topic.
I think we’ll see a pretty even shot distribution early. I think Morsell will be the guy to take the last shot though in tight games.
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That's about all "we" do. Well, 25% is observation, about 75% is speculation.
I suppose but this year it seems fairly pointless before the season regarding shot distribution when none of us have seen 85% of the team play.
If this team returns the majority of players from this years team next year this question would make more sense to me.
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I’ve never understood comments like this on a message board. Pre season talk is all speculation. Have some fun or skip over the topic.
I think we’ll see a pretty even shot distribution early. I think Morsell will be the guy to take the last shot though in tight games.
Well in this case we really have zero idea. It is almost like speculating about shot selection on the 2027 team. We just don’t know enough to speculate.
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I’ve never understood comments like this on a message board. Pre season talk is all speculation. Have some fun or skip over the topic.
I think we’ll see a pretty even shot distribution early. I think Morsell will be the guy to take the last shot though in tight games.
Maybe this team can usurp offensive rebs and get 2nd chance shots? I'd like to get to the line with regularity. My gut feeling is we will be vastly better in transition and creating from our defense than the past 7 yrs. I am out of words to describe our ineptitude in this area during Wojo's tenure. I'll just stick with abysmal.
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We don't know if Morsell is going to be recovered enough to start. We don't know if Shaka is going to run out a 3 guard offense with this team. Did OMP make such a jump with Canada that Shaka will start him with Lewis? Or in front of Lewis? If Morsell starts, who are the one or two guards who start with him. After not playing point at Maryland, does he transition to point? If not, who is the point?
We can speculate all we want. There are dozens of possible starting line ups and rotations. And that is assuming we know Morsell's recovery status.
Shaka keeps preaching defense and MU twitter keeps showing clips of offense.
I can't wait to see what happens. But I sure would not make any large wagers about line ups or shot distribution.
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Shaka keeps preaching defense and MU twitter keeps showing clips of offense.
Offense that is scoring easily on our "defense" :-\
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Saying we don’t know in a fun pre season speculation thread is being pretty much the wettest blanket of all time
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Tell us what you know. It would be great to have some answers.
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Tell us what you know. It would be great to have some answers.
I posted my baseless speculation above. It was fun. Feel free to object stating the obvious we don’t know.
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Tell us what you know. It would be great to have some answers.
Sheeeesh. You’ve really become no fun recently. Used to enjoy your posts. L Not allowed to speculate!!!
How do you get through every day when half if not more of a daily weather forecast is speculation?
I’ll speculate! I think Lewis shoots the most, closely followed by kolek.
I also suspect there will be more around the rim shots than in past years.
But this is all speculation and that’s not allowed cause we have a new coach and new roster.
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Tell us what you know. It would be great to have some answers.
60% from 3 in our only scrimmage
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Sheeeesh. You’ve really become no fun recently. Used to enjoy your posts. L Not allowed to speculate!!!
How do you get through every day when half if not more of a daily weather forecast is speculation?
I’ll speculate! I think Lewis shoots the most, closely followed by kolek.
I also suspect there will be more around the rim shots than in past years.
But this is all speculation and that’s not allowed cause we have a new coach and new roster.
It will be interesting to see how Shaka puts the ball in Lewis’ hands to score. Hoping to see him try and limit the longer twos/threes from him and keep him in the wide post/low block emphasizing his power game.
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60% from 3 in our only scrimmage
Who shot those? If I know that I will start speculating.
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I will speculate Kuath jumps center. I feel confident that MU will play faster and more aggressively on defense. Offensively, Shaka's teams were fairly slow and vanilla. Down two, 5 seconds to go, I think they run Kolek and Greg off screens to opposite wings and one of them shoots.
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It will be interesting to see how Shaka puts the ball in Lewis’ hands to score. Hoping to see him try and limit the longer twos/threes from him and keep him in the wide post/low block emphasizing his power game.
Torn on this, someone will give the stat, but I thought Lewis was decent from 3 before his injury. But I agree. Let’s get him deep in the post for some corner banks
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I will speculate Kuath jumps center. I feel confident that MU will play faster and more aggressively on defense. Offensively, Shaka's teams were fairly slow and vanilla. Down two, 5 seconds to go, I think they run Kolek and Greg off screens to opposite wings and one of them shoots.
SEE! That’s the tower we all know and love! 😘😘
I agree Greg n kolek will be the shooters in the closing seconds!
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Neither Kuath nor Morsell have ever been scorers. Kur averaged 18 minutes a game last year. I am not expecting Kuath to suddenly average 10 or Morsell to average 15. OMP averaged 10 minutes at Clemson. He had a good summer with Canada. Does it translate to MU? Is he going to play next to or in place of Lewis?
Coach Smart has sung Mitchell's praises, particularly on defense. Is he handed the keys? Will Greg be healthy? How will Kolek's game translate to the Big East?
Two points up, 10 seconds to go, who will the defenders be? I would project Kuath, Morsell, Stevie, OMP and (match up).
Can do this all night and not answer anything.
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Neither Kuath nor Morsell have ever been scorers. Kur averaged 18 minutes a game last year. I am not expecting Kuath to suddenly average 10 or Morsell to average 15. OMP averaged 10 minutes at Clemson. He had a good summer with Canada. Does it translate to MU? Is he going to play next to or in place of Lewis?
Coach Smart has sung Mitchell's praises, particularly on defense. Is he handed the keys? Will Greg be healthy? How will Kolek's game translate to the Big East?
Two points up, 10 seconds to go, who will the defenders be? I would project Kuath, Morsell, Stevie, OMP and (match up).
Can do this all night and not answer anything.
Those are good questions. OMP likely won’t start in place of Lewis. Kolek I think will transition well! Pretty excited to see it!
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I am looking forward to finding out the answers.
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60% from 3 in our only scrimmage
I wouldn't put stock in that rumor
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It will be interesting to see how Shaka puts the ball in Lewis’ hands to score. Hoping to see him try and limit the longer twos/threes from him and keep him in the wide post/low block emphasizing his power game.
Yes. Good point. I am hoping for much better shot selection from JLew. Sometimes he got sped up to a fault. I believe he will play with more discipline and poise. I'm just wondering where we will try to score in the h-c and if we have a guard who can attack and make things happen. Our rotations and line-ups will be compelling but I do think we need someone to step up and be a consistent scorer. I love our depth but I'm not sure we can platoon.
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I wouldn't put stock in that rumor
So they shot 70%?
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No social media in the country is going to put out highlights of their players continuously being shut down by the defense. It’s not healthy.
To worry we don’t have a D bc we see 15 dunks in 15 seconds is like judging Wojo based on his TRY HARDER huddles.
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I think Ellis has a strong offensive presence at leat early in the season. Once a few of the talented younger players get their feet wet his usage drops off a bit.
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Lewis and Kolek will be our primary shot takers and I don't think it will be close after that. I think Morsell, Lewis and Kolek will all be 30mpg players this year.
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I think too many here are sleeping on Kolek. I know we've been burned by transfers from mid major conferences before, but the kid really seems legitimately able to play at a higher level. In addition, he's known to be an extremely hard worker during off times, so I am fully expecting him to be stronger, faster, better than he was last season (for which he really performed well). His shot isn't a sure thing like most pure shooters, but his stats are quite good across the board and he seems to be a very well rounded player. If he isn't taking the final shot when down 2, I'm betting he'll notch the assist on that play.
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I think Kolek will be a big part of the offense, both passing and scoring. The kid is not bashful and I think he is sleeper in regards to our offense surprising people.
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I think Kolek will be a big part of the offense, both passing and scoring. The kid is not bashful and I think he is sleeper in regards to our offense surprising people.
I think O Max will surprise people too. Think he has a Jamil Wilson sort of game when he puts it together.
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Jake
Good call.
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I don't think we will have one or two dominant scorers. I think all 5 starters and the whole bench has players capable of scoring double digits on any given night (just not consistently) and a handful of players who could very occasionally outburst for 20 or more. Would not be surprised to see 8 players average between 4 and 12 points a game.
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Neither Kuath nor Morsell have ever been scorers. Kur averaged 18 minutes a game last year. I am not expecting Kuath to suddenly average 10 or Morsell to average 15. OMP averaged 10 minutes at Clemson. He had a good summer with Canada. Does it translate to MU? Is he going to play next to or in place of Lewis?
Smart man. Some here seem to think these guys are suddenly going to be offensive weapons.
I think Lewis leads the team in scoring in low double digits. I think Morsell, Elliott, Kolek will all score in the 7-9.9 PPG range. Hopefully a couple of the freshman will join them in that category, but too hard to say which ones right now. I expect very little from Kuath offensivenly, but would ne nice to see him fit into the high single digits as well.
Putting the ball in the basket is going to be a consistent issue for this team. I don't really see any scenario where this becomes a feared offensive group. Better hope the defense is as good as some think/hope it will be.
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I don't think we will have one or two dominant scorers. I think all 5 starters and the whole bench has players capable of scoring double digits on any given night (just not consistently) and a handful of players who could very occasionally outburst for 20 or more. Would not be surprised to see 8 players average between 4 and 12 points a game.
I second that. Shaka’s philosophy early on will be to share the rock. His hand is forced as their isn’t a dominant scorer on the team. Spread the floor out and insist on quick ball movement and off ball screens. Score in trans and off turnovers as much as possible.
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Smart man. Some here seem to think these guys are suddenly going to be offensive weapons.
I think Lewis leads the team in scoring in low double digits. I think Morsell, Elliott, Kolek will all score in the 7-9.9 PPG range. Hopefully a couple of the freshman will join them in that category, but too hard to say which ones right now. I expect very little from Kuath offensivenly, but would ne nice to see him fit into the high single digits as well.
Putting the ball in the basket is going to be a consistent issue for this team. I don't really see any scenario where this becomes a feared offensive group. Better hope the defense is as good as some think/hope it will be.
I'll take the over 1.5 double digit scorers on this team. And I'll take the over on our scoring leader averaging 12.5 (low double digits) points per game.
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BLM
I'm with you on your prediction.
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Smart man. Some here seem to think these guys are suddenly going to be offensive weapons.
I think Lewis leads the team in scoring in low double digits. I think Morsell, Elliott, Kolek will all score in the 7-9.9 PPG range. Hopefully a couple of the freshman will join them in that category, but too hard to say which ones right now. I expect very little from Kuath offensivenly, but would ne nice to see him fit into the high single digits as well.
Putting the ball in the basket is going to be a consistent issue for this team. I don't really see any scenario where this becomes a feared offensive group. Better hope the defense is as good as some think/hope it will be.
Kur was the odd man out for two seasons to Brady Manek/Doolittle in a five out offense. Morsell has always been the third/fourth scoring option behind guys who are nba players now.
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I don't think we will have one or two dominant scorers. I think all 5 starters and the whole bench has players capable of scoring double digits on any given night (just not consistently) and a handful of players who could very occasionally outburst for 20 or more. Would not be surprised to see 8 players average between 4 and 12 points a game.
I understand we have that kind of personnel, but having watched a lot of college hoops I think it's difficult to platoon with consistency. Finding a rhythm with truncated mins game to game is my concern although it's always good to have depth. It's especially tough with young players.
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Well wojo did suck as a game coach and his ”Try Harder” huddle instructions certainly added to this perception :)
No social media in the country is going to put out highlights of their players continuously being shut down by the defense. It’s not healthy.
To worry we don’t have a D bc we see 15 dunks in 15 seconds is like judging Wojo based on his TRY HARDER huddles.
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Well wojo did suck as a game coach and his ”Try Harder” huddle instructions certainly added to this perception :)
...also he was convinced that the louder he shouted instructions the better chance at winning. I wonder will Shaka be hoarse after each game?
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I think too many here are sleeping on Kolek. I know we've been burned by transfers from mid major conferences before, but the kid really seems legitimately able to play at a higher level. In addition, he's known to be an extremely hard worker during off times, so I am fully expecting him to be stronger, faster, better than he was last season (for which he really performed well). His shot isn't a sure thing like most pure shooters, but his stats are quite good across the board and he seems to be a very well rounded player. If he isn't taking the final shot when down 2, I'm betting he'll notch the assist on that play.
I'm not sure one can draw the conclusion that mid-major transfer equates to an expectation of disappointment. We've had solid contributors from transfers from the mid- and low-major ranks, and even the Big10 yielded a big disappointment.
Solid Contributors:
Reinhardt (UNLV - Mountain West)
Carlino (Brigham-Young - WCC)
Rowsey (UNC-Ashville -Big South)
Koby (Utah State - Mountain West)
Fischer (Indiana - Big 10)
Disappointments
Perez (Gardner-Webb - Big South)
Chartouny (Fordham A-10)
Morrow (Nebraska Big 10)
Froling (SMU - American)
There seems to be an underlying assumption on the board that we should discount Kolek for no other reason than he's from the A10.
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There’s a whole lot of grey between just “solid contributor” and “disappointment”. Any metric that has AR and KM or Ed and HF in the same classification is far to broad IMO.
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I'm not sure one can draw the conclusion that mid-major transfer equates to an expectation of disappointment. We've had solid contributors from transfers from the mid- and low-major ranks, and even the Big10 yielded a big disappointment.
Solid Contributors:
Reinhardt (UNLV - Mountain West)
Carlino (Brigham-Young - WCC)
Rowsey (UNC-Ashville -Big South)
Koby (Utah State - Mountain West)
Fischer (Indiana - Big 10)
Disappointments
Perez (Gardner-Webb - Big South)
Chartouny (Fordham A-10)
Morrow (Nebraska Big 10)
Froling (SMU - American)
There seems to be an underlying assumption on the board that we should discount Kolek for no other reason than he's from the A10.
Morrow was fine. Injuries did him in.
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I think O Max will surprise people too. Think he has a Jamil Wilson sort of game when he puts it together.
Didn't we complain about Jamil Wilson not being able to put it together his entire career? That would be a fine ceiling, i just think it's funny that if he puts it together his ceiling is a guy who didn't put it together.
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Didn't we complain about Jamil Wilson not being able to put it together his entire career? That would be a fine ceiling, i just think it's funny that if he puts it together his ceiling is a guy who didn't put it together.
To be fair Jamil showed he was NBA material post college and has been dominant in the TBT. He was ranked in the top 5 at one point in HS. I think his whole career he's been unable to "put it together"
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To be fair Jamil showed he was NBA material post college and has been dominant in the TBT. He was ranked in the top 5 at one point in HS. I think his whole career he's been unable to "put it together"
Agreed. Jamil never put it together to be the star of a team. He was a good player for us though.
He just never fully reached the potential his physical gifts seemed to indicate.
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I'm not sure one can draw the conclusion that mid-major transfer equates to an expectation of disappointment. We've had solid contributors from transfers from the mid- and low-major ranks, and even the Big10 yielded a big disappointment.
Solid Contributors:
Reinhardt (UNLV - Mountain West)
Carlino (Brigham-Young - WCC)
Rowsey (UNC-Ashville -Big South)
Koby (Utah State - Mountain West)
Fischer (Indiana - Big 10)
Disappointments
Perez (Gardner-Webb - Big South)
Chartouny (Fordham A-10)
Morrow (Nebraska Big 10)
Froling (SMU - American)
There seems to be an underlying assumption on the board that we should discount Kolek for no other reason than he's from the A10.
I know Reinhardt spent his freshman year at UNLV (back when UNLV was in a lot better shape than they are now) but he transferred to MU from USC. Just picking a nit, I agree with your overall point.
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I'm not sure one can draw the conclusion that mid-major transfer equates to an expectation of disappointment. We've had solid contributors from transfers from the mid- and low-major ranks, and even the Big10 yielded a big disappointment.
Solid Contributors:
Reinhardt (UNLV - Mountain West)
Carlino (Brigham-Young - WCC)
Rowsey (UNC-Ashville -Big South)
Koby (Utah State - Mountain West)
Fischer (Indiana - Big 10)
Disappointments
Perez (Gardner-Webb - Big South)
Chartouny (Fordham A-10)
Morrow (Nebraska Big 10)
Froling (SMU - American)
There seems to be an underlying assumption on the board that we should discount Kolek for no other reason than he's from the A10.
I am adding nothing to this topic other than I completely forgot that Jose Perez even existed.
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Why leave out:
Crowder
DJO
JFB
they were all transfers...no?
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Why leave out:
Crowder
DJO
JFB
they were all transfers...no?
Clearly a different set of circumstances.
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I know Reinhardt spent his freshman year at UNLV (back when UNLV was in a lot better shape than they are now) but he transferred to MU from USC. Just picking a nit, I agree with your overall point.
Conversely, Carlino started out at UCLA but caught in the Ben Howland situation. before landing at BYU.
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Why leave out:
Crowder
DJO
JFB
they were all transfers...no?
1. Equalizer's list was only players who played for Wojo (and all but Fischer were recruited by Wojo)
2. They were junior college transfers which are comparable in some ways and not comparable in others
3. They were all recruited over a decade ago. The transfer landscape has changed since then
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1. Equalizer's list was only players who played for Wojo (and all but Fischer were recruited by Wojo)
2. They were junior college transfers which are comparable in some ways and not comparable in others
3. They were all recruited over a decade ago. The transfer landscape has changed since then
Correct. I only went back as far as Wojo, but probably would have excluded JUCO transfers since the comment was related to the discussion on whether transfers from mid- or low-major D1 conferences could contribute in the Big East.
Conversely, Carlino started out at UCLA but caught in the Ben Howland situation. before landing at BYU.
Forgot about this--I checked sports-reference for pre-Marquette stats, and they would have only reported his BUY stats:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matt-carlino-1.html
I know Reinhardt spent his freshman year at UNLV (back when UNLV was in a lot better shape than they are now) but he transferred to MU from USC. Just picking a nit, I agree with your overall point.
sports-reference.com again!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/katin-reinhardt-1.html
I listed the first stop of UNLV to help support the point that you can find good players at lower-level conferences.
I think it does a disservice to Kolek to question his ability simply because he comes from the A-10.
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I am adding nothing to this topic other than I completely forgot that Jose Perez even existed.
You know I could probably name every MU player and including commits that backed out since i started following them 11years ago but 100% would've forgotten him.
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I think the shot distribution will come down to who has the hot hand a lot of the time. This is likely the most score by committee team MU has had in a while. Think Morsell gets plenty of shots but Lewis will be the highest scorer. I'll speculate Lewis averages around 16.2ppg and 6.5 boards. Can't forget about Greg. Always been efficient and a good 3-point shooter. I could see him in the top 4 for scoring coming in around 10ppg. Lewis seems like the only surefire offensive stud as a big man but look for Joplin to make an immediate impact.
Aside from Kolek who I agree will be the highest scoring guard, I believe one of the 1st year guys will be a wild card and make a solid impact. Hard to say who between the 3. My pick is Mitchell.
Starting 5 on opening night:
Kolek
Elliott
Morsell
Lewis
Kuath
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I think the shot distribution will come down to who has the hot hand a lot of the time. This is likely the most score by committee team MU has had in a while. Think Morsell gets plenty of shots but Lewis will be the highest scorer. I'll speculate Lewis averages around 16.2ppg and 6.5 boards. Can't forget about Greg. Always been efficient and a good 3-point shooter. I could see him in the top 4 for scoring coming in around 10ppg. Lewis seems like the only surefire offensive stud as a big man but look for Joplin to make an immediate impact.
Aside from Kolek who I agree will be the highest scoring guard, I believe one of the 1st year guys will be a wild card and make a solid impact. Hard to say who between the 3. My pick is Mitchell.
Starting 5 on opening night:
Kolek
Elliott
Morsell
Lewis
Kuath
Interesting post. You may be spot-on but Elliott's defense is a prob. Kuath needs a nickname. I like the kid.
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1. Equalizer's list was only players who played for Wojo (and all but Fischer were recruited by Wojo)
2. They were junior college transfers which are comparable in some ways and not comparable in others
3. They were all recruited over a decade ago. The transfer landscape has changed since then
OK, but UWW2MU was discussing transfers, not just WOJO transfers, but you point is well taken. The transfer landscape has changed significantly over the last 2 years so I guess we could leave most of Wojo's transfers out of the discussion as well if we want to nit pick. My point was those 3 transfers turned out to really good.
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OK, but UWW2MU was discussing transfers, not just WOJO transfers, but you point is well taken. The transfer landscape has changed significantly over the last 2 years so I guess we could leave most of Wojo's transfers out of the discussion as well if we want to nit pick. My point was those 3 transfers turned out to really good.
Okay, you didn't quote UWW2MU so there was no way to know that's the post you were referring to. Even so, UWW2MU was talking about transfers from mid-major conferences, your list was all transfer from junior colleges which are very different.
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OK, but UWW2MU was discussing transfers, not just WOJO transfers, but you point is well taken. The transfer landscape has changed significantly over the last 2 years so I guess we could leave most of Wojo's transfers out of the discussion as well if we want to nit pick. My point was those 3 transfers turned out to really good.
He specifically mentioned that "we've been burned by transfers from mid major conferences". Since nobody talks of JUCOs in terms of being a mid-major, UWW2MU's post obviously was referencing D1 transfers.
I don't think any of the changes to the transfer landscape would now support a blanket dismissal of transfers from mid-majors.
My point is that we've had strong contributions (and been burned) from transfers from mid- and low-majors--same as for transfers from high-majors. Therefore, it's a disservice to question whether Tyler Kolek can contribute simply on the basis of him transferring in from an A-10 school.
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Yes, I specifically was referencing mid-majors since that's the area people seem to be most leery about around here. And I think deservedly so. At least recently anyway... Rowsey is probably the best recent mid-major transfer, and even he can be controversial to some (not me) because of his defense. But then again, I saw Koby as kind of a bust. At least in the sense that he didn't live up to scoopers expectations in many ways.
I think Kolek is the guy that turns that around and is an immediate strong contributor.
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But then again, I saw Koby as kind of a bust. At least in the sense that he didn't live up to scoopers expectations in many ways.
Agree. Koby had his moments, but was anything but consistent. One poster had his floor at 2nd team All Big East. Turned out to be well above his ceiling.