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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on October 15, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
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Who makes each coach's all coach team and how would you rank them? Basically was thinking if Wojos best players put him surprisingly higher than coaches with way more success.
Wojo, Buzz, Crean, Deane, O'Neil, Rick, Hank, Al, Nagle (Rand & Kojis IIRC)
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Al's Freshman Team would beat every other team by 30+
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Modern Era:
KO
Tony
Hutch
Crawford
Damon
Mac
Deane
Cordell
Wardle
Bargen
Olouma
Clausen
TC
Travis
D Wade
Wesley
Novak
Bob Jackson
Buzz
Junior
Vander
Jimmy
Jamil
Otule
Wojo
Markus
Sacar
Sam
Joey
Theo
EDIT: OMG I forgot Jae Crowder
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Bench
KO:
Piep at the Point? I can't ever play Logterman at the 1 after Duke / Kansas
Robb
Roney
Faisal
Amal
Deane
Marcus West
Combo of Alton Mason / DeMarcus Minor
Diggs
Harris
Lovette (He should be starting, this is a crime, my bad)
TC
Dom
Jerel
Todd (Glue)
Lazar
Merritt
Buzz
Dwight
DJO
Trent
JAE!
Davante
Wojo
Traci
Rowsey
Jamal
Justin
Matt Heldt
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Interesting choices for Crean.
Vander and Jamil over DJO and Jae? Interesting.
No Henry Carton or Carlino? Also interesting
How would you rank these teams? Coaching not included.
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Interesting choices for Crean.
Vander and Jamil over DJO and Jae? Interesting.
No Henry Carton or Carlino? Also interesting
How would you rank these teams? Coaching not included.
I forgot about Jae. That's a terrible omission by me. I thought my TC pick's were pretty down the middle.
I have no use for Wojo's one and dones (Henry & DJC) they were leaving campus before they even arrived and they didn't contribute while here (like Trent Locket or Bob Jackson did). Carlino probably deserved to be on the bench but that team was under .500 so he becomes forgettable.
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Nm. Didn’t see ‘bench’
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I forgot about Jae. That's a terrible omission by me. I thought my TC pick's were pretty down the middle.
I have no use for Wojo's one and dones (Henry & DJC) they were leaving campus before they even arrived and they didn't contribute while here (like Trent Locket or Bob Jackson did). Carlino probably deserved to be on the bench but that team was under .500 so he becomes forgettable.
To be fair you had traci on there and he was on the team all of 2 months longer than Henry as I recall. But to each their own
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To be fair you had traci on there and he was on the team all of 2 months longer than Henry as I recall. But to each their own
Because we will always have Italy.
And because Marquette used him in ads for 3 years after he left.
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Because we will always have Italy.
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"when the moon hits your eye like a big piece of pie thats amore"
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Modern Era:
KO
Tony
Hutch
Crawford
Damon
Mac
Deane
Cordell
Wardle
Bargen
Olouma
Clausen
TC
Travis
D Wade
Wesley
Novak
Bob Jackson
Buzz
Junior
Vander
Jimmy
Jamil
Otule
Wojo
Markus
Sacar
Sam
Joey
Theo
EDIT: OMG I forgot Jae Crowder
How's this man got no crowder, Gardner, or Ellenson.
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How's this man got no crowder, Gardner, or Ellenson.
Buzz didn’t even want to start Davante.
Henry was Smoke & Mirrors.
Jae is a colossal miss by me.
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I would put DJO ahead of Junior. DJO, Blue, Butler, Crowder, and Wilson contend for a national championship.
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Modern Mediocre Era:
KO
Tony
Hutch
Crawford
Damon
Mac
Deane
Cordell
Wardle
Bargen
Olouma
Clausen
TC
Travis
D Wade
Wesley
Novak
Bob Jackson
Buzz
Junior
Vander
Jimmy
Jamil
Otule
Wojo
Markus
Sacar
Sam
Joey
Theo
EDIT: OMG I forgot Jae Crowder
An ancient Golden era alum fixed it for you.
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I would put DJO ahead of Junior. DJO, Blue, Butler, Crowder, and Wilson contend for a national championship.
I'm assuming you're talking about at their peaks because we got multiple years of that line up minus one of Wilson or Butler and got embarrassed when eliminated.
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I would put DJO ahead of Junior. DJO, Blue, Butler, Crowder, and Wilson contend for a national championship.
I tried to stay position specific when possible.
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AL:
Chones
Meminger
Thompson
Tatum
Lucas
Ellis
Hank:
O. Lee
Michael Wilson
Marotta
Worthen
Rivers
Rick:
Copa
Sims
Downing
Joe Wolf
Ricky Olson
Dukiet:
Tony Smith
Powell
Anglavar
Joe Nethen
Ty Baldwin
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Not many traditional bigs to be found, but these teams would score the sh*t out of it.
KO: Miller, Eford, Curry, Key, McIlvaine
Deane: Hutchins, Wardle, Crawford, Bargen, Lovette
Crean: Diener, Wade, McNeal, Matthews, Novak
Buzz: Cadougan, DJO, Butler, Crowder, Gardner
Wojo: Markus, Sacar, S. Hauser, H. Ellenson, John
Vander was the toughest to leave off... he had a great junior year, but not as strong the first two.
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Not many traditional bigs to be found, but these teams would score the sh*t out of it.
KO: Miller, Eford, Curry, Key, McIlvaine
Deane: Hutchins, Wardle, Crawford, Bargen, Lovette
Crean: Diener, Wade, McNeal, Matthews, Novak
Buzz: Cadougan, DJO, Butler, Crowder, Gardner
Wojo: Markus, Sacar, S. Hauser, H. Ellenson, John
Vander was the toughest to leave off... he had a great junior year, but not as strong the first two.
How would you rank those against each other? Also surprised by Sacar
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I forgot about Jae. That's a terrible omission by me. I thought my TC pick's were pretty down the middle.
I have no use for Wojo's one and dones (Henry & DJC) they were leaving campus before they even arrived and they didn't contribute while here (like Trent Locket or Bob Jackson did). Carlino probably deserved to be on the bench but that team was under .500 so he becomes forgettable.
Interesting criteria as Joey was also a one and gone.
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Modern Era:
KO
Tony
Hutch
Crawford
Damon
Mac
Deane
Cordell
Wardle
Bargen
Olouma
Clausen
TC
Travis
D Wade
Wesley
Novak
Bob Jackson
Buzz
Junior
Vander
Jimmy
Jamil
Otule
Wojo
Markus
Sacar
Sam
Joey
Theo
EDIT: OMG I forgot Jae Crowder
Buzz's best 5 would be Vander, DJO, Jimmy, Jae and the same Gardner/Otule combo he actually used. You don't need Junior at PG if you've got Vander and DJO in their final seasons.
That lineup would probably beat Crean's 5. Jimmy on D-Wade, both at their best, would be delicious. I don't see how Crean's 5 could deal with Jae.
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Buzz's best 5 would be Vander, DJO, Jimmy, Jae and the same Gardner/Otule combo he actually used. You don't need Junior at PG if you've got Vander and DJO in their final seasons.
That lineup would probably beat Crean's 5. Jimmy on D-Wade, both at their best, would be delicious. I don't see how Crean's 5 could deal with Jae.
You'd need Lazar on Creans 5 to deal with Jae, I'd have loved to see that college matchup.
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I have no use for Wojo's one and dones (Henry & DJC) they were leaving campus before they even arrived and they didn't contribute while here
And Joey the letter-writer did?
I wouldn’t put him on any MU all- anything team, unless someone starts an all-whiner thread.
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Not a single Dominic James or Jerel McNeal reference…
Are those two of the most overlooked Golden Eagles in the last 20 years?
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I would put DJO ahead of Junior. DJO, Blue, Butler, Crowder, and Wilson contend for a national championship.
Man, I'd but Buycks there over DJO. Better ball handler and can still get buckets.
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Not a single Dominic James or Jerel McNeal reference…
Are those two of the most overlooked Golden Eagles in the last 20 years?
Hardly. Dominic is an all timer... who was up against Travis for TC's years. Unless you want to put him with Buzz?
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You'd need Lazar on Creans 5 to deal with Jae, I'd have loved to see that college matchup.
I like that. Lazar was a better all-around college player than Novak for sure.
Man, I'd but Buycks there over DJO. Better ball handler and can still get buckets.
College DJO at his best was quite a bit better than college Buycks at his best IMHO.
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Man, I'd but Buycks there over DJO. Better ball handler and can still get buckets.
MU82 already said this but DJO college player is a no brainer over Buycks. Not even close. Perhaps TBT is clouding your judgment? But even then I’d say it’s favorable for DJO.
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Man, I'd but Buycks there over DJO. Better ball handler and can still get buckets.
Sorry. I cannot wipe Louisville out of my mind.
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You could put DWade with Rob Frozena, Youssapha Mboa, Brett Rosboro, and me and that team would beat any modern era MU team.
Pretending (especially college, but even pro) Jimmy could handle Dwayne Wade? Lol. And you could put Wade on Jae defensively if you’re worried about it. There’s about an inch difference there.
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Brother Brew:
On Al, I'd have two nits:
1) Butch Lee was a POY and MVP of the 1977 Championship. I'd sub out Lee for Tatum.
2) If there is only five, as much as I think the world of George Thompson, Coach McGuire's best five were Lee, Meminger, Chones, Lucas and Ellis.
a) Lucas, Lee and Ellis were all National Championship caliber players.
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You could put DWade with Rob Frozena, Youssapha Mboa, Brett Rosboro, and me and that team would beat any modern era MU team.
Pretending (especially college, but even pro) Jimmy could handle Dwayne Wade? Lol. And you could put Wade on Jae defensively if you’re worried about it. There’s about an inch difference there.
Obviously, I'm a Wade fan, too. We all are.
But let's not pretend he was unstoppable or that he never had a bad game. They lost plenty of games when he was at Marquette, he lost his first NCAA tourney game as a 5-seed, and he might have suffered another first-round upset the following year if Diener didn't save his bacon.
I know you were only using hyperbole (and least I hope so), but Buzz's best 5 would beat "Wade and any 4 stiffs," and I'm pretty sure you know it.
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Obviously, I'm a Wade fan, too. We all are.
But let's not pretend he was unstoppable or that he never had a bad game. They lost plenty of games when he was at Marquette, he lost his first NCAA tourney game as a 5-seed, and he might have suffered another first-round upset the following year if Diener didn't save his bacon.
I know you were only using hyperbole (and least I hope so), but Buzz's best 5 would beat "Wade and any 4 stiffs," and I'm pretty sure you know it.
But not Wade and Ners + 3 stiffs!
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But not Wade and Ners + 3 stiffs!
You do mean Ners and Wade + 3 stiffs, stop minimizing Ners!! Ners>Wade at least in HS.
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You do mean Ners and Wade + 3 stiffs, stop minimizing Ners!! Nees>Wade at least in HS.
You're right idk what I was thinking
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Brother Brew:
On Al, I'd have two nits:
1) Butch Lee was a POY and MVP of the 1977 Championship. I'd sub out Lee for Tatum.
2) If there is only five, as much as I think the world of George Thompson, Coach McGuire's best five were Lee, Meminger, Chones, Lucas and Ellis.
a) Lucas, Lee and Ellis were all National Championship caliber players.
I can't argue with your five. Admittedly, it's not easy to whittle Al's roster down to a Top 5.
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I can't argue with your five. Admittedly, it's not easy to whittle Al's roster down to a Top 5.
Most all conference teams are 6 if I recall correctly.
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I can't argue with your five. Admittedly, it's not easy to whittle Al's roster down to a Top 5.
The second five collectively probably are better than anything we have had since:
They would be
Lloyd Walton, George Thompson, Larry McNeil, Earl Tatum and Jerome Whitehead.
My sixth person probably would be Allie McGuire, though you could make a strong case for Marcus Washington or Sugar Frazier. The hard part is leaving Bob Lackey off this list. I really liked him!
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Who makes each coach's all coach team and how would you rank them? Basically was thinking if Wojos best players put him surprisingly higher than coaches with way more success.
Wojo, Buzz, Crean, Deane, O'Neil, Rick, Hank, Al, Nagle (Rand & Kojis IIRC)
is is players who were recruited by that coach or just played for them (e.g. Crawford and Amal. Are they all-KO or all-Deane? How about Hutch who was signed by KO but never played for him?)
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is is players who were recruited by that coach or just played for them (e.g. Crawford and Amal. Are they all-KO or all-Deane? How about Hutch who was signed by KO but never played for him?)
Good question I hadn't honestly thought about it much. I'd say who they played the majority of their MU career for. The only issue that might arise then is Lazar who played 2 & 2 but Buzz was an assistant for another.
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I should be who recruited you.
Because otherwise you can really distort the Mike Deane Era (an era I loved by the way, long live Turners)
G Hutch
G Pieper
G Wardle
F Crawford
C Amal
All but one is a KO signee. That has to be noted. Hell you could bump Wardle and throw in Tony Miller. KO not only saved the program, he left the fullest cupboard.
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The second five collectively probably are better than anything we have had since:
They would be
Lloyd Walton, George Thompson, Larry McNeil, Earl Tatum and Jerome Whitehead.
My sixth person probably would be Allie McGuire, though you could make a strong case for Marcus Washington or Sugar Frazier. The hard part is leaving Bob Lackey off this list. I really liked him!
Love your first and second fives. Next five (for me) is Marcus Washington, Joe Wolf, Ric Cobb, Bob Lackey and Gary Brell. Brian Brunkhorst, Allie, Jeff Sewell, Joe Thomas, Sugar Frazier just miss.
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Love your first and second fives. Next five (for me) is Marcus Washington, Joe Wolf, Ric Cobb, Bob Lackey and Gary Brell. Brian Brunkhorst, Allie, Jeff Sewell, Joe Thomas, Sugar Frazier just miss.
Joe Wolf????
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Love your first and second fives. Next five (for me) is Marcus Washington, Joe Wolf, Ric Cobb, Bob Lackey and Gary Brell. Brian Brunkhorst, Allie, Jeff Sewell, Joe Thomas, Sugar Frazier just miss.
Brother Lenny:
Marcus was a tough one. He was a key part of our national runner-up t6eam. But he was plagued by knee problems at MU. A good ballplayer who filled his role well.
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I should be who recruited you.
Because otherwise you can really distort the Mike Deane Era (an era I loved by the way, long live Turners)
G Hutch
G Pieper
G Wardle
F Crawford
C Amal
All but one is a KO signee. That has to be noted. Hell you could bump Wardle and throw in Tony Miller. KO not only saved the program, he left the fullest cupboard.
I didn't want to say that just in case people gave Wade to Deane.
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I should be who recruited you.
Because otherwise you can really distort the Mike Deane Era (an era I loved by the way, long live Turners)
G Hutch
G Pieper
G Wardle
F Crawford
C Amal
All but one is a KO signee. That has to be noted. Hell you could bump Wardle and throw in Tony Miller. KO not only saved the program, he left the fullest cupboard.
You have to include Tony. His career assist stats are incredible and his performance in the Kentucky game alone gets him MU legend status.
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You have to include Tony. His career assist stats are incredible and his performance in the Kentucky game alone gets him MU legend status.
I did include him, on my KO list. The point was even though he played for Deane --- he is a KO guy. IMO he is THE KO guy.
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You have to include Tony. His career assist stats are incredible and his performance in the Kentucky game alone gets him MU legend status.
Tony is one of my favorite Marquette players. Straight out baller
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Tony is one of my favorite Marquette players. Straight out baller
He was great. Hugely underrated career at MU.
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Joe Wolf????
Sorry, Herman. Wishful thinking, perhaps…of course I meant Bob Wolf.