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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: brewcity77 on September 26, 2021, 06:04:26 PM
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Anyone watching Star Wars: Visions? I watched the first three episodes. The first one, Ronin, was fantastic. I love the Kurosawa feel which really harkens to how Kurosawa inspired Lucas in the first place. I could totally see a full show based on that character or planet.
Also...I saw a number of threads for specific movies or shows, but it seemed a catch-all thread makes more sense.
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Anyone watching Star Wars: Visions? I watched the first three episodes. The first one, Ronin, was fantastic. I love the Kurosawa feel which really harkens to how Kurosawa inspired Lucas in the first place. I could totally see a full show based on that character or planet.
Also...I saw a number of threads for specific movies or shows, but it seemed a catch-all thread makes more sense.
Bingeing right now. I'll get back to you.
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The OG Christmas special is by far the best movie.
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I'm five episodes into Visions and my two favorites are E1-Ronin and E5-The Ninth Jedi. I could see either spawning more long lasting series.
I think it's also interesting how much Kyber Crystals are focused on here. Star Wars nerds know what they are, but they feel like an afterthought in the movies.
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I've only watched episode 1, but Ronin was quite good. A very strong start for Star Wars: Visions.
It was very fresh to have something not tied to the Skywalker timeline. I have been wanting content that explores other timelines in the Star Wars universe and Ronin fit the bill.
I would love to see movies earlier in the timeline. Also would love to see them explore other force users that are neither Jedi nor Sith.
There is so much potential to create totally new stories, and Ronin demonstrates how that can be done quite well.
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Thru episode 4. I absolutely love the villain and the hero character in The Village Bride. Nailed the look of both characters and set up quite a bit of intrigue for who they are.
I'd love to see a show about their backstories, climaxing in a TVB remake.
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There's so much going on in The Ninth Jedi that I need to rewatch it to catch everything.
The director admits he wants to make a feature film building off of the episode and I'd definitely watch, but I think the concept would be best served in a series.
I really like the creative direction of this episode. It shows how the Star Wars franchise can be so much more than the Skywalker/Palpatine saga.
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Thru episode 7 of Visions. The Elder is another strong episode. Probably my 2nd favorite after The Duel, with The Ninth Jedi third, and The Village Bride fourth.
I'd love to see some miniseries and full series spin offs. I don't think movies are the right medium and would prefer a collection of shorter stories. But given all of the other SW content being made, I doubt any of these get fleshed out.
But Visions has offered some wonderful, fresh ideas for the SW universe and I hope Disney reflects on them.
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I think Visions really shows the import of moving away from the Skywalker saga. You effectively have infinite time and an infinite universe, use it and let creative types get creative.
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I think Visions really shows the import of moving away from the Skywalker saga. You effectively have infinite time and an infinite universe, use it and let creative types get creative.
I totally agree. I also think the trilogy model needs to be abandoned for awhile. Do some stand a lone movies that show a snapshot in time. Set a movie in the High Republic era. Do a Sith movie that shows how The Rule of Two came to be. And if they do a trilogy, it has to be a cohesive story, not just a collection of three movies grouped together on the timeline.
Sometimes a story is best told via series, miniseries, or short. If The Ninth Jedi gets another project, I like it better as a series rather than a movie. But most of the shorts can just stand on their own.
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I totally agree. I also think the trilogy model needs to be abandoned for awhile. Do some stand a lone movies that show a snapshot in time. Set a movie in the High Republic era. Do a Sith movie that shows how The Rule of Two came to be. And if they do a trilogy, it has to be a cohesive story, not just a collection of three movies grouped together on the timeline.
Sometimes a story is best told via series, miniseries, or short. If The Ninth Jedi gets another project, I like it better as a series rather than a movie. But most of the shorts can just stand on their own.
The biggest problem for me with the last "trilogy" is the three different creative teams. It was so clear they didn't share the same goals for the story and the third one felt like they were spending half of it trying to "fix" what they didn't like from the second. I don't have a problem with trilogies, but if you're going to go that route, hand it to one creator and let them run it start to finish. I'd love to see what a James Gunn or Peter Jackson could do with it, I can't wait for Taika Waititi's take, but bouncing back and forth was a complete failure.
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Peter Jackson? Pass. Not after what he did to The Hobbit.
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Boba bump
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Boba bump
Not to spoil anything, but that was Jimmy Kimmel's nephew as the Tusken kid.
For us who were teenagers in the 80's, good casting choice for Garsa Fwip.
Oh, and thank goodness for subtitles. I would have had no idea who was who.
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Slow. Interesting.
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My son, who's more of a Star Wars nut than I am, said it was real good. I plan to watch it over the weekend.
lawdog: Great idea to use subtitles. I'm gonna do it!
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Attacking Boba Fett in his own lair.
Wookie mistake.
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Holy hell episode 6 of TBOBF was absolute Star Wars nerd porn. I'm in shock. So good.
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Duh fuq is with this spice thing? They adding Dune to the Star Wars Universe?
Anyways I agree this episode is a fanboys dream.
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Haven't watched ep 6 yet.
But, re: 5....I find it interesting that the best episode of this show so far doesn't include Boba.
Overall, a real let down of a series.
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Duh fuq is with this spice thing? They adding Dune to the Star Wars Universe?
Anyways I agree this episode is a fanboys dream.
The spice thing has been alluded to in various Star Wars properties outside the movies. You have to be deep in the weeds to know it. Han Solo used to be a spice runner
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Just binged all 6 episodes. This is…not a great series by any stretch. If you’re a huge Star Wars nerd, one will love this series. From a plot and story telling perspective, it’s brutal. Episode 6 just falls off the rails completely.
It’s hard to take probably the singular “coolest” character from the original trilogy and not just turn him into an afterthought, but a weak afterthought. But that’s where we’re at.
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Episode 6 just falls off the rails completely.
Thanks for saying this. I was worried that I was the only one who thought it.
I actually haven't hated Boba Fett; haven't thought it was great, but haven't hated it. One thing I actually liked was that the first 4 episodes weren't too Star Warsy. And I really like the Mandolorian so I mostly liked Episode 5.
But Episode 6 was just bad. Every scene with CGI Luke felt like somebody was trying to do a cheap Star Wars imitation, and I actually was bored most of the episode. I did like the shootout with the sheriff from Deadwood and Justified, though.
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Just binged all 6 episodes. This is…not a great series by any stretch. If you’re a huge Star Wars nerd, one will love this series. From a plot and story telling perspective, it’s brutal. Episode 6 just falls off the rails completely.
It’s hard to take probably the singular “coolest” character from the original trilogy and not just turn him into an afterthought, but a weak afterthought. But that’s where we’re at.
I think this is a bridge series and a lot of the series moving forward will be interconnected in a Marvel Universe way.
The Mandalorian season 3 and Ashoka certainly seem they will proceeed in a loosely connected way.
I also think they worked Grogu and Luke training together into this series as part of that. A question after Mando season 2 was, was Grogu at the temple during Ben Solo’s rampage? I think the decision to be a mandalorian foundling has been made and at the end of this saga, that character is wielding the dark saber
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Just binged all 6 episodes. This is…not a great series by any stretch. If you’re a huge Star Wars nerd, one will love this series. From a plot and story telling perspective, it’s brutal. Episode 6 just falls off the rails completely.
It’s hard to take probably the singular “coolest” character from the original trilogy and not just turn him into an afterthought, but a weak afterthought. But that’s where we’re at.
Thanks for saying this. I was worried that I was the only one who thought it.
I actually haven't hated Boba Fett; haven't thought it was great, but haven't hated it. One thing I actually liked was that the first 4 episodes weren't too Star Warsy. And I really like the Mandolorian so I mostly liked Episode 5.
But Episode 6 was just bad. Every scene with CGI Luke felt like somebody was trying to do a cheap Star Wars imitation, and I actually was bored most of the episode. I did like the shootout with the sheriff from Deadwood and Justified, though.
Are you guys familiar with the Clone Wars series?
Some of the Ahsoka/Luke interaction is fed directly from Ahsoka/Anakin that was explored in CW. And also the Bane character is quite familiar to Clone Wars watchers. Deep cuts for nerds.
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Are you guys familiar with the Clone Wars series?
Some of the Ahsoka/Luke interaction is fed directly from Ahsoka/Anakin that was explored in CW. And also the Bane character is quite familiar to Clone Wars watchers. Deep cuts for nerds.
Cad Bane was AWESOME
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Are you guys familiar with the Clone Wars series?
Some of the Ahsoka/Luke interaction is fed directly from Ahsoka/Anakin that was explored in CW. And also the Bane character is quite familiar to Clone Wars watchers. Deep cuts for nerds.
I am aware that Clone Wars exists. I am not nearly enough of a Star Wars fanatic to watch 'em.
I've liked SW since I saw ANH in the theater in 1977. I've seen each of the original trilogy at least a dozen times, watched 'em with my kids, saw each of the other movies at least once, including Rogue One (which I really liked) and Solo (which I didn't hate the way some did). I've thoroughly enjoyed the Mandalorian, which even my wife liked (and she's not into SW at all).
But I'm not deep in the SW weeds. I can understand how those who are might have liked that last episode of Boba Fett. I just thought it was pretty boring.
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To be clear, I'm by no means trying to criticize anyone who is deep into Star Wars and loves everything Star Wars. I'm familiar with Clone Wars, but didn't consume it.
My thought process is there is potentially a great and interesting story to tell with The Book of Boba Fett. A "backstory" of Boba coming back, combined with a criminal underworld on Tatooine, with a Western backdrop for seven episodes would be awesome (if built right). If you bring Mando in at the tail end of episode 6 and build towards some epic showdown with the syndicates in the finale would be sweet.
It was cool as hell to have Luke show up in the Season 2 finale of Mando, but the absolute minimum you use him now, the better at this point.
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It was cool as hell to have Luke show up in the Season 2 finale of Mando, but the absolute minimum you use him now, the better at this point.
Totally this.
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To be clear, I'm by no means trying to criticize anyone who is deep into Star Wars and loves everything Star Wars. I'm familiar with Clone Wars, but didn't consume it.
My thought process is there is potentially a great and interesting story to tell with The Book of Boba Fett. A "backstory" of Boba coming back, combined with a criminal underworld on Tatooine, with a Western backdrop for seven episodes would be awesome (if built right). If you bring Mando in at the tail end of episode 6 and build towards some epic showdown with the syndicates in the finale would be sweet.
It was cool as hell to have Luke show up in the Season 2 finale of Mando, but the absolute minimum you use him now, the better at this point.
There’s a belief this was intended as a five-part series and a lot of the ancillary stuff has been added late
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It seems like the new crew is trying to please two masters and often that leaves everyone looking for more substance.
I wonder if the Boba Fett stuff is similar to the idea that we can paint whatever we like on a blank canvas, and people have certainly done so the last four decades+, but when trying to flesh it out they found it splintered off into many different areas that we've yet to see fully coalesce.
Eager to see how they tie it all together tomorrow night but it may just be a launchpad for content they want to release later this year and in 2023.
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I can see where people unfamiliar with Clone Wars might not be able to follow E6, but it was the best of the series by far, IMO. It was a storytelling keystone that bridges what has come before with what will come in the next few years. Just awesome bomb drop after awesome bomb drop.
I know it's a LOT, and that's how I felt when I waded into Clone Wars (currently in Season 5 myself) but there are some guides of must-watch episodes like this (https://collider.com/star-wars-clone-wars-essential-episodes-to-watch-before-season-7/) that make it easier to get through while hitting all the key points and characters. It's worth getting to know Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Duchess Satine, Asajj Ventress, Saw Gerrera (later seen in Rogue One), Hondo, Savage Opress, Captain Rex, and so many other characters and plotlines. The animation takes some getting used to, but it's a really good show that makes stuff like Rogue One, Mandalorian, and TBOBF so much better.
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I can see where people unfamiliar with Clone Wars might not be able to follow E6, but it was the best of the series by far, IMO. It was a storytelling keystone that bridges what has come before with what will come in the next few years. Just awesome bomb drop after awesome bomb drop.
I know it's a LOT, and that's how I felt when I waded into Clone Wars (currently in Season 5 myself) but there are some guides of must-watch episodes like this (https://collider.com/star-wars-clone-wars-essential-episodes-to-watch-before-season-7/) that make it easier to get through while hitting all the key points and characters. It's worth getting to know Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Duchess Satine, Asajj Ventress, Saw Gerrera (later seen in Rogue One), Hondo, Savage Opress, Captain Rex, and so many other characters and plotlines. The animation takes some getting used to, but it's a really good show that makes stuff like Rogue One, Mandalorian, and TBOBF so much better.
I've seen the first three seasons. That enough or should I put a pin in watching this one?
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I can see where people unfamiliar with Clone Wars might not be able to follow E6, but it was the best of the series by far, IMO. It was a storytelling keystone that bridges what has come before with what will come in the next few years. Just awesome bomb drop after awesome bomb drop.
I know it's a LOT, and that's how I felt when I waded into Clone Wars (currently in Season 5 myself) but there are some guides of must-watch episodes like this (https://collider.com/star-wars-clone-wars-essential-episodes-to-watch-before-season-7/) that make it easier to get through while hitting all the key points and characters. It's worth getting to know Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Duchess Satine, Asajj Ventress, Saw Gerrera (later seen in Rogue One), Hondo, Savage Opress, Captain Rex, and so many other characters and plotlines. The animation takes some getting used to, but it's a really good show that makes stuff like Rogue One, Mandalorian, and TBOBF so much better.
Even as a deep SW fan - including clone wars, rebels and books - this show has felt so jumbled and awkwardly thrown together. Narrative has been poor.
You tune in expecting boba Fett stuff and it's all over the place.
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Overall, just a gigantic miss with this series. I still don’t understand how you take an iconic character, and turn him into a total afterthought.
The finale was the equivalent of me trying to order at a McDonalds drive through for a minivan full of my three kids and their friends…throw a bunch of stuff together and kinda hope it all comes out ok…and it never does.
I can’t recall a series I’ve watched that was as disjointed as this, and just didn’t seem to really care to fix any of it.
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I liked episode 7, enjoyed the action and rooting for some of the characters, and wrapped up the series just fine. And overall, I'd say Boba Fett was OK. Nowhere near as good as The Mandalorian, but I don't regret the few hours I spent watching it.
Was it "disjointed," as Dish says? Sure. But as I said earlier, I'm a SW fan but not a fanatic or "nerd." I look at this stuff as escapism; I didn't go in hoping for a masterpiece of storytelling.
And the arc of the Star Wars universe certainly doesn't matter to me. There is 0.0% chance I watch the Clone Wars. Yeah, I know, brew ... I'm a heretic!
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I liked episode 7, enjoyed the action and rooting for some of the characters, and wrapped up the series just fine. And overall, I'd say Boba Fett was OK. Nowhere near as good as The Mandalorian, but I don't regret the few hours I spent watching it.
Was it "disjointed," as Dish says? Sure. But as I said earlier, I'm a SW fan but not a fanatic or "nerd." I look at this stuff as escapism; I didn't go in hoping to for a masterpiece of storytelling.
And the arc of the Star Wars universe certainly doesn't matter to me. There is 0.0% chance I watch the Clone Wars. Yeah, I know, brew ... I'm a heretic!
Spot on review.
I enjoyed the series. Not as much as The Mandalorian, but it was fun.
And the good news is Timmy Olyphant will be back.
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Just finished it during lunch. It was ok. Definitely got me hyped for the mandalorian next season.
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And the arc of the Star Wars universe certainly doesn't matter to me. There is 0.0% chance I watch the Clone Wars. Yeah, I know, brew ... I'm a heretic!
Nah, not a heretic, I just think the target audience isn't people like you and Dish. This was closure for the Boba Fett/Cad Bane arc and world-building Fennec, the Mods, and Krrsantan. All that was designed for people that did watch Clone Wars, and they knew they could do this because of the success of characters like Ahsoka in Mando.
I think of this as a Mandalorian season that focusses elsewhere, hence the "Book" of Boba Fett. He was just one of the characters that got chapters and it was part of a greater overall storyline. I could see a second season that's more an anthology, giving different characters episodes.
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Nah, not a heretic, I just think the target audience isn't people like you and Dish. This was closure for the Boba Fett/Cad Bane arc and world-building Fennec, the Mods, and Krrsantan. All that was designed for people that did watch Clone Wars, and they knew they could do this because of the success of characters like Ahsoka in Mando.
I think of this as a Mandalorian season that focusses elsewhere, hence the "Book" of Boba Fett. He was just one of the characters that got chapters and it was part of a greater overall storyline. I could see a second season that's more an anthology, giving different characters episodes.
I'd give a second season of Boba Fett a chance. And I'd continue watching it to its conclusion as long as they don't make having deep knowledge of the inner workings of the SW universe mandatory for enjoying it.
The beauty of the Mandalorian (and the best parts of Boba Fett IMHO) is that while they might have advanced some greater SW universe storyline, one didn't need to be what you referred to as a "Star Wars nerd" to enjoy it. My wife, who hadn't watched anything Star Wars themed since Empire Strikes Back, loves the Mandalorian. I would think Disney would want to keep viewers like her (and me) in the fold.
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Just got done watching dances with wolves episode 2.
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So I've been watching rebels and just finished clone wars. I can't begin to explain how frustrating it is. Its awesome that we have different stories but the addition of all these other Jedi or force sensitive individuals who survived is really ticking me off. At a certain point I'm just sitting here thinking they made as many horrible decisions as possible and caused the hopeless situation that lead to the empire in the first place.
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So I've been watching rebels and just finished clone wars. I can't begin to explain how frustrating it is. Its awesome that we have different stories but the addition of all these other Jedi or force sensitive individuals who survived is really ticking me off. At a certain point I'm just sitting here thinking they made as many horrible decisions as possible and caused the hopeless situation that lead to the empire in the first place.
While totally true, part of what I enjoy about those is seeing mistakes the Jedi made. They definitely aren't the infallible gurus Lucas made them out to be, which makes sense considering their regime collapsed to the Sith. I also like how the Jedi philosophies, mostly based on individualism and a departure from emotion are now placed in contrast with the Mandalorian "Way" where it is all about connection, mostly centered on the Din Djarin/Grogu/Luke love triangle.
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The Kenobi trailer is 🔥 🔥 🔥
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While totally true, part of what I enjoy about those is seeing mistakes the Jedi made. They definitely aren't the infallible gurus Lucas made them out to be, which makes sense considering their regime collapsed to the Sith. I also like how the Jedi philosophies, mostly based on individualism and a departure from emotion are now placed in contrast with the Mandalorian "Way" where it is all about connection, mostly centered on the Din Djarin/Grogu/Luke love triangle.
And I agree with this to an extent but I'm just sitting here thinking there's too much randomness.
Random things that happen that bug me:
1) rather than collaborate together the Jedi split up and as they're hunted down don't think "oh yeah we'd probably be better together" not saying they would've been perfect but a merry band of Kanan, Obi Wan, Yoda, Asoka (just chill don't need to be all Jedi), and the handful of others mentioned would've been a solid group to hang out, train, protect a couple babies, recruit rebels.
2) Princess Leia not being with her family. Ok so they put luke with his step uncle and aunt. How is that any less obvious than sending leia to Naboo to be with her family? Nope just give her to this rando senator who happens to be on a ship.
3) Rebels rewriting everything. This is a big one. Did ezra just open up an MCU style multiverse? Because personally as much as I hate it I'd be pro cutting the recent 3 from canon.
4) Maul. First, just why bring him back? They had a valid bad guy in his brother who could've had the same arc. He goes back and forth from being Jim Carey to being epically deceitful to being super strong.
5) The inquisitors. So this whole crew of Jedi just went completely bad and then a few die and they just nope off and disappear?
6) Ezra. So here's where we're at, if he comes back then he has to die or else it invalidates Yoda referring to Luke and Leia as the last hopes. If he doesn't come back then it invalidates the epilogue of Rebels. If he's missing till the recent events then it's random they hired a young actress to play Sabine for the Asoka show.
7) ventress. They just cut her? She was skilled enough to fight Maul, hold her own vs dooku, and various Jedi but instead she's just cut and they casually explain it away as she died as she's becoming good in some legends book? So much build up for nothing.
Last, do I have to watch Bad Batch for canon material or is it just filler?
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The Kenobi trailer is 🔥 🔥 🔥
Please, please, PLEASE don't f*ck this up.
Do we know if Filoni or Favreau are involved with this one?
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Finally finished Book of Boba Fett. What a hot mess.
I've seen about 2.5 seasons of Clone Wars. So I know enough about the Cad Bane tie in with Boba. But man, two ancillary characters that I don't really care about...it all just fell flat.
They basically plopped a Mandalorian episode in the middle of this thing. I want to rewatch episodes 5 because that was my favorite episode and I feel like I missed a lot of stuff.
But I really don't like the Grogu and Luke stuff. I would have preferred they were left out, leaving a sense of mystery about what happened to Grogu and Luke.
I think the effort to tie everything together is really hurting Star Wars. You have this huge galaxy and all of these characters continue to cross paths. Like, really? IMO, not everyone needs to have one degree of separation from the main characters. 5-6 degrees of separation is better in some cases and would make the story more believable.
Plus, I think Boba Fett's story could have been completely wrapped in the original trilogy. Giving him a backstory in the prequels and a character arc through the time of the Mandalorian just feels unnecessary. It's bad fan service type stuff that distracts from the main story.
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Apparently there were some major changes made to the original script of Kenobi because it was "too dark"? The series that tells the story of Obi Wan after he had to dismember his best friend who betrayed him and is forced into hiding after the Empire killed almost everyone he knows? Isn't "dark" kind of the point?
Disney is making the same mistake here they made with Boba Fett. We wanted an antihero crime lord badass ruthlessly building his empire across the galaxy, and we got Mandalorian season 2.5 with Boba playing sheriff on Tatooine. The point of these series should be to provide opportunities for other kinds of stories to be told in the SW universe, and deviate from the motifs of the films where the hero is always good, the cause is always noble, and the setting is always f-ing Tatooine.
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Apparently there were some major changes made to the original script of Kenobi because it was "too dark"? The series that tells the story of Obi Wan after he had to dismember his best friend who betrayed him and is forced into hiding after the Empire killed almost everyone he knows? Isn't "dark" kind of the point?
Disney is making the same mistake here they made with Boba Fett. We wanted an antihero crime lord badass ruthlessly building his empire across the galaxy, and we got Mandalorian season 2.5 with Boba playing sheriff on Tatooine. The point of these series should be to provide opportunities for other kinds of stories to be told in the SW universe, and deviate from the motifs of the films where the hero is always good, the cause is always noble, and the setting is always f-ing Tatooine.
https://youtu.be/bFgYjHgJTFw (https://youtu.be/bFgYjHgJTFw)
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https://youtu.be/bFgYjHgJTFw (https://youtu.be/bFgYjHgJTFw)
Believe it or not, I'm not even that big of a SW fan. Saw none of the last trilogy in theaters. But maybe I would be if the execs knew how to properly use the treasure trove of lore they're sitting on. Instead it's becoming the next Marvel...
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Obi Wan is off to a good start. The hook at the end of episode 2 is powerful.
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absolutely cringe scenes when people are chasing Leia. Other than that I like it.
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Obi Wan is off to a good start. The hook at the end of episode 2 is powerful.
I have some continuity questions, however, it’s fine.
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I have some continuity questions, however, it’s fine.
At this point, I just accept that Star Wars continuity is going to be spotty.
Pretty good show, so far.
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absolutely cringe scenes when people are chasing Leia. Other than that I like it.
Huge gripe. Those guys were like on crutches chasing her, and they got her eventually anyway. So just cut that crap out.
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So, uh, Vader does some crap. 👀
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He has issues.
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He has issues.
I'm just shocked Disney allowed the brutal violence
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I've liked episodes 1-3. The girl playing Leia is great.
Numerous leaps of faith and/or logic, but what else is new? I loved loved loved ANH, and five minutes after cheering the ending my friends and I were picking apart some of the dopiest things. But we still loved it.
I mean, there's no way Obi-Wan should be able to get away from Darth as he did after the fire was lit. But whatevs. Keeps the series going.
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I've liked episodes 1-3. The girl playing Leia is great.
Numerous leaps of faith and/or logic, but what else is new? I loved loved loved ANH, and five minutes after cheering the ending my friends and I were picking apart some of the dopiest things. But we still loved it.
I mean, there's no way Obi-Wan should be able to get away from Darth as he did after the fire was lit. But whatevs. Keeps the series going.
The blocking of that scene was as bad as I’ve seen. Just sloppy filmwork and that’s another reason it didn’t work for me. Been pretty disappointed thus far
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Cal introduced sometime soon.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Cal introduced sometime soon.
I'm fully expecting Doctor Aphra (played by Maya Erskine) before this is over.
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The blocking of that scene was as bad as I’ve seen. Just sloppy filmwork and that’s another reason it didn’t work for me. Been pretty disappointed thus far
I'm not the harshest critic when it comes to Star Wars stuff. I've enjoyed watching much of it over the years, maybe even most of it, so it's gotta be something gawdawful to turn me off. In a way, it's almost fun for me to be able to pick at stuff.
In ANH, why didn't the Death Star just blast the moon that was in the way and then annihilate the Rebel Base's planet? Because then there wouldn't have been any more movies or TV series or anything!
It's like James Bond. Just pull out an effen gun and effen kill him already. Stop putting him on a conveyor belt with a laser aimed at his onions. But no!
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It was driving me nuts that the actress who played Obi-Wan's rescuer, Tala, was so familiar but I couldn't place her.
So I had to look it up. She's Indira Varma, who played Oberyn's lover Ellaria in Game of Thrones and gave the deadly kiss to Myrcella. She's been in a bunch of other stuff, too, including Rome and This Way Up. Did a very nice job as Tala.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Cal introduced sometime soon.
I expect Quintana Vos first
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Finally watched episode 3 of Obi-Wan. The final act didn't make much sense to me.
Hopefully the miniseries doesn't become a hot mess. I had been enjoying it through the first 2.5 episodes.
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Interrogation scene was really weird. Why in the world would a 10 year girl know the locations of a secret Jedi network.
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Interrogation scene was really weird. Why in the world would a 10 year girl know the locations of a secret Jedi network.
I think because Reva knew she was taking Leia out of the Path, so she was already in a part of the secret network. But man...the Imperials really need to invest in faster interrogation technology. How slow are those articulating arms?
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I thought this last episode was really good. Disney has done a great job with Vader in my opinion.
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I thought this last episode was really good. Disney has done a great job with Vader in my opinion.
Agreed. In the past, the comics have been the main vehicle to explain how Anakin went from how Obi-Wan left him on Mustafar to the overwhelming Dark Lord we see to start A New Hope. Glad to see them expanding this to the visual mediums, which are most casual fans only window to the Star Wars Universe.
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It will be fascinating to see how this is resolved. It will have to be a longer episode.
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Vader is literally a horror movie villain and I love it.
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They pulled it together nicely while leaving openings. Reva 25 years in the future crossing paths with Ahsoka?
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Really loved Obi-Wan. I love how they dealt with his own inner turmoil and growth, the relationship development with Leia, the path of Reva, and the on-screen fleshing out of Vader as a force to be reckoned with. It was handled incredibly well and I am interested to see what spins out of it into other corners of the Star Wars Universe.
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Really loved Obi-Wan. I love how they dealt with his own inner turmoil and growth, the relationship development with Leia, the path of Reva, and the on-screen fleshing out of Vader as a force to be reckoned with. It was handled incredibly well and I am interested to see what spins out of it into other corners of the Star Wars Universe.
Disagree about Reva. The whole thing was convoluted. But that may have been pacing issues. Felt rushed and unbelievable
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Finally finished Obi-Wan. It was OK. Better than Boba Fett, not nearly as good as Mandalorian IMHO.
Obi-Wan went on to regret having not killed Anakin years earlier, so why didn't he finish off Vader this time when he definitely had the chance to do so?
Vader easily could have killed Obi-Wan but instead just buried him in rocks and had to know Obi-Wan wasn't dead. Why?
Why didn't Vader kill Reva? I have to agree with Rico about the Reva character. All over the place.
Don't all these people learn from the James Bond movies and even the old Batman series? Just effen kill the person you theoretically want dead!
And why did Obi-Wan have to go into hiding at the end, not to resurface for years and years?
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Finally finished Obi-Wan. It was OK. Better than Boba Fett, not nearly as good as Mandalorian IMHO.
Obi-Wan went on to regret having not killed Anakin years earlier, so why didn't he finish off Vader this time when he definitely had the chance to do so?
Vader easily could have killed Obi-Wan but instead just buried him in rocks and had to know Obi-Wan wasn't dead. Why?
Why didn't Vader kill Reva? I have to agree with Rico about the Reva character. All over the place.
Don't all these people learn from the James Bond movies and even the old Batman series? Just effen kill the person you theoretically want dead!
And why did Obi-Wan have to go into hiding at the end, not to resurface for years and years?
It was an unnecessary show
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Obi Wan was meh.
Not bad. But completely unecessary.
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Obi Wan was meh.
Not bad. But completely unecessary.
There’s probably a story worth telling. And the idea of a young Leia story is interesting, as is a story of any younglings that survived Order 66. All together? Eh
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There’s probably a story worth telling. And the idea of a young Leia story is interesting, as is a story of any younglings that survived Order 66. All together? Eh
I like the idea, Unk. Let's put you in charge of a Leia project!
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Obi-Wan was, for me, classic early MCU. I had to learn to put aside the "we need an alcoholic Tony story" and "but Thor is supposed to take over Donald Blake" and all the other non-accurate complaints.
Obi-Wan wasn't perfect, but it was fun and the battles between Ben and Vader were the ones we deserved. I'll take it.
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I just binged all 6 episodes this weekend. I enjoyed it for the most part, but episode 6 had too many head scratching moments. Like how the hell does Reva (who at the end of episode 5 has a lightsaber through her) make it to Tatooine while Vader/Obi Wan are just leaving in space? How the heck did she both survive and then get there? Other people asked the obvious other questions that I had.
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I just binged all 6 episodes this weekend. I enjoyed it for the most part, but episode 6 had too many head scratching moments. Like how the hell does Reva (who at the end of episode 5 has a lightsaber through her) make it to Tatooine while Vader/Obi Wan are just leaving in space? How the heck did she both survive and then get there? Other people asked the obvious other questions that I had.
It’s a mess.
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I just binged all 6 episodes this weekend. I enjoyed it for the most part, but episode 6 had too many head scratching moments. Like how the hell does Reva (who at the end of episode 5 has a lightsaber through her) make it to Tatooine while Vader/Obi Wan are just leaving in space? How the heck did she both survive and then get there? Other people asked the obvious other questions that I had.
What a mess
From now on, if Filoni and Favreau aren't involved, it shouldn't be greenlit
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Finally finished Obi-Wan. Some parts were really cool, others made no sense.
Things were pretty good thru 2.75 episodes, then things went off the rails. Tried to do too much in too little time.
Overall, I still enjoyed the miniseries. It did add some depth to the SW lore, even though there were plot holes the size of the dune sea.
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I just binged all 6 episodes this weekend. I enjoyed it for the most part, but episode 6 had too many head scratching moments. Like how the hell does Reva (who at the end of episode 5 has a lightsaber through her) make it to Tatooine while Vader/Obi Wan are just leaving in space? How the heck did she both survive and then get there? Other people asked the obvious other questions that I had.
The Force?
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Mark my words, Andor will be the best Star Wars/Disney+ show.
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Finally finished Obi-Wan. Some parts were really cool, others made no sense.
Things were pretty good thru 2.75 episodes, then things went off the rails. Tried to do too much in too little time.
Overall, I still enjoyed the miniseries. It did add some depth to the SW lore, even though there were plot holes the size of the dune sea.
I just finished yesterday. Enjoyed also and fun to see all the characters back.
The Inquisitors was an interesting add that I was unaware existed in The SWU.
They definitely left a lot open on purpose for more sessions.
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I just binged all 6 episodes this weekend. I enjoyed it for the most part, but episode 6 had too many head scratching moments. Like how the hell does Reva (who at the end of episode 5 has a lightsaber through her) make it to Tatooine while Vader/Obi Wan are just leaving in space? How the heck did she both survive and then get there? Other people asked the obvious other questions that I had.
Star Wars suffers a bit from not knowing exactly how *hard* to make its worldbuilding elements. Think of science fiction as a spectrum from Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars on one hand where the science is *almost* accurate and no laws of physics shall ever be broken and, for example, Star Wars and the samurai adventure of space wizards on the other. Even when writing "soft" SF, the sort where Obi Wan can become a force ghost and talk to Luke after dying and laser swords are a viable weapon when people have guns, the key to make it satisfying is to establish whatever rules you want to govern the world, and then stick to them.
Star Wars IV-VI did this admirably. The EU books I read as a kid seemed to commit to doing so as well. There was this sort of rulebook at play that governed all manner of things about how the characters can navigate the universe, how the technology works, how the force works, etc., and then Lucas Arts forced the writers to play inside the sandbox. Post JJ Abrams, they have basically said "nope, it's rule of cool forever and always."
Reva getting to Tattooine at the end, and then Obi Wan pursuing her there, is a great example of how breaking logical rules leads to unsatisfying results. We know that it takes time to travel from place to place and everyone dating back to Chewy playing space chess on the Falcon in IV knows this, yet in order for the logistics of the Obi Wan conclusion to work they had to basically be like "whatever, they just get where they need to go instantaneously." Even if you're not a weirdo like me who thinks about the storytelling elements and effects and spend time diagnosing why that was unsatisfying, almost everyone is going have some degree of "wait a minute" when some established rule of the world is just flaunted for story convenience.
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Mark my words, Andor will be the best Star Wars/Disney+ show.
The first three episodes were quite good
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Great origin story. Can they make it through without referencing the Force?
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Great origin story. Can they make it through without referencing the Force?
I think Tony Gilroy can.
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Syril Karn should have listened to his boss.
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Syril Karn should have listened to his boss.
If done right, he could end up being one of the more interesting bad guys
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Indeed
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Very impressed with the first 3 episodes of Andor.
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Went in with trepidation but, like others, enjoyed the first three episodes, especially the third.
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Episode 4 had a lot of Easter eggs for a show that was saying it wouldn’t. It didn’t distract from the story but interesting nonetheless.
5 stories are in-play and thought they’re melding together nicely
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Episode 4 had a lot of Easter eggs for a show that was saying it wouldn’t. It didn’t distract from the story but interesting nonetheless.
5 stories are in-play and thought they’re melding together nicely
I didn't even notice the Easter Eggs until I saw people discussing them online. Then I rewatched episode 4 to spot them for myself.
Overall, strong writing and acting. Lots of tension within both the Empire and the Rebellion.
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Episode 6 was a great payoff. Only one quibble and that comes towards the end but overall, best of the TV series so far
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Midway through the series, Andor is pretty darn good.
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So good.
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Episode 7 lacks the action of the previous episode but didn’t lack in tension. Cliched to call it grown-up Star Wars but that’s what it is up to this point.
There’s been some complaints about pacing being too slow but after the odd pacing of Kenobi, this is much better.
Tying all the characters together when they’re worlds apart is a neat trick. The collision course and how they get to it will be interesting. So far, they’ve pulled it off to this point, hope they can stick the landing
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Episode 7 lacks the action of the previous episode but didn’t lack in tension. Cliched to call it grown-up Star Wars but that’s what it is up to this point.
There’s been some complaints about pacing being too slow but after the odd pacing of Kenobi, this is much better.
Tying all the characters together when they’re worlds apart is a neat trick. The collision course and how they get to it will be interesting. So far, they’ve pulled it off to this point, hope they can stick the landing
Agreed. Another great episode. Andor is a character development driven series with the occasional action scene. Those action scenes have been great, but the primary focus is character development.
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Andor keeps getting stronger. Wow.
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Andor keeps getting stronger. Wow.
It’s really quite good. The multiple plots are pretty well interwoven and for a show that was said not to pander, it’s hit the right amount of fan servuce. Great call outs in design to other sci-fi, including THX-1138
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Damn, Andor is really nailing the horrors of fascism.
I can't wait for episode 10 next week.
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I read that they were going to do 5 seasons but cut it back to 3.
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I read that they were going to do 5 seasons but cut it back to 3.
Gilroy originally planned 5 seasons, but he realized that would take 10 years to complete. So he scaled back to two seasons (24 episodes total).
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Diego Luna already looks significantly older in Andor than he did in Rogue One. Push it out 10 years and there's no way anyone believes it's a prequel.
That said, awesome show. Incredibly compelling, particularly telling a Star Wars story with virtually none of the fantastical elements that make it Star Wars. No Force, minimal aliens, but excellent character development and background on why the Empire is the villain it is.
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Gilroy originally planned 5 seasons, but he realized that would take 10 years to complete. So he scaled back to two seasons (24 episodes total).
Rolling Stone had a story on. I was trying to post but I couldn't find my RS login.
Season 1 is Year 1 and 12 episodes.
Season 2 is Year 2 through 5 and every 3 episodes will cover a year.
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Andor continues to deliver. The Mon Mothma subplot got way more complicated. Two great speeches. One by Kino Loy (spin-off?) and Luthen’s at the end.
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Andor continues to deliver. The Mon Mothma subplot got way more complicated. Two great speeches. One by Kino Loy (spin-off?) and Luthen’s at the end.
Fabulous writing and acting. Such a tense episode.
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Great episode
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Andy Serkis has been amazing.
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Andor continues to deliver. The Mon Mothma subplot got way more complicated. Two great speeches. One by Kino Loy (spin-off?) and Luthen’s at the end.
I agree. A great show and too bad there are only 2 episodes left in the season.
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I agree. A great show and too bad there are only 2 episodes left in the season.
Completely agree. Maybe the best Star Wars show so far. I love how well they've fleshed out the universe while effectively ignoring the Force. Wish they were running the whole series right now.
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Incredibly compelling, particularly telling a Star Wars story with virtually none of the fantastical elements that make it Star Wars. No Force, minimal aliens, but excellent character development and background on why the Empire is the villain it is.
Finally watched ep 10 tonight. Wow ... what a thrill! Agree with everything you say here about the series.
I'm a huge Mandalorian fan, but I've sure enjoyed Andor.
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Weakest episode thus far. Star Wars action with the space fight and Cassian’s scene with Melshi at the end the highlights. It’s all woven together for what I’m sure will be action heavy season finale.
Nitpicking the Mon Mothma dilemma ahead of her. Could probably have been dealt with already? That conclusion is the one that doesn’t necessarily mesh with the other stories as neatly at the moment
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I thought it was a good episode. Lots of emotion packed into it. Served its purpose as a bridge between episode 10 and the season finale.
I'm expecting next week to deliver as much as episodes 6 and 10 did.
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Do we see B-2EMO’s OS and personality loaded into a K2 unit in season 2?
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Power ranking of ships that don’t suck
Falcon
Fondor
Slave 1
Vader’s TIE
Mando’s Starfighter
Red 5
Hammerhead Corvette
Razor Crest
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Weakest episode thus far. Star Wars action with the space fight and Cassian’s scene with Melshi at the end the highlights. It’s all woven together for what I’m sure will be action heavy season finale.
Nitpicking the Mon Mothma dilemma ahead of her. Could probably have been dealt with already? That conclusion is the one that doesn’t necessarily mesh with the other stories as neatly at the moment
Agree about Mon. My least favorite character/storyline of the season. I hope that if she's going to be featured so prominently, we get some kind of resolution or at least a worthy cliffhanger in the season finale.
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Agree about Mon. My least favorite character/storyline of the season. I hope that if she's going to be featured so prominently, we get some kind of resolution or at least a worthy cliffhanger in the season finale.
It’s a fascinating dilemma they’ve put her in. She’s a clearly conflicted character that is trying to straddle a very fine line between working within the system while keeping options open outside it. It’s a big moral dilemma for the character, both with her family and her future. Somehow, it feels repetitive so far. They could have done better with it but it is a real nit I’m picking. Probably works better as a seperate story. Then again, maybe it makes sense after next week
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It’s a fascinating dilemma they’ve put her in. She’s a clearly conflicted character that is trying to straddle a very fine line between working within the system while keeping options open outside it. It’s a big moral dilemma for the character, both with her family and her future. Somehow, it feels repetitive so far. They could have done better with it but it is a real nit I’m picking. Probably works better as a seperate story. Then again, maybe it makes sense after next week
I love the show and I don't "hate" her. I just find her storyline the least interesting -- and, as you said, the most repetitive -- of all of them so far.
And why do we care that her daughter is a rude, spoiled brat? Right now, I sure don't. But hey, maybe she goes on to be some big shot in the rebellion ... or in the Empire!
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I love the show and I don't "hate" her. I just find her storyline the least interesting -- and, as you said, the most repetitive -- of all of them so far.
And why do we care that her daughter is a rude, spoiled brat? Right now, I sure don't. But hey, maybe she goes on to be some big shot in the rebellion ... or in the Empire!
See, I’m fascinated by the daughter. The role of a rebellion leader leads to things not really covered in Star Wars, how it impacts the family. There are unintended consequences
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See, I’m fascinated by the daughter. The role of a rebellion leader leads to things not really covered in Star Wars, how it impacts the family. There are unintended consequences
I'm hoping she emerges as a leader of some kind down the line, which will have made that part of the storyline be something other than a distraction. Just my opinion. It's cool that a series like this can offer different things to different viewers.
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Mon Mothma's storyline is a stark contrast to Luthen's actions. Mon is trying to play by the rules and she's not only stuck, the walls are starting to slowly close around her.
Meanwhile, Luthen is "condemned to use the tools of my enemies to defeat them." He's willing to get dirty and do morally questionable things, like sacrifice Anto Kreegyr. And he lies constantly. He denies being involved with Aldahni when he talks to Saw. He tells Saw that Kreegyr has 30 men, but I'm pretty sure he tells Lonni it's 50.
But while Mon is paralyzed, Luthen is getting stuff done. The contrast of Mon to Luthen shows that there is no such thing as a civilized rebellion. You have to be willing to fight dirty.
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I'm hoping she emerges as a leader of some kind down the line, which will have made that part of the storyline be something other than a distraction. Just my opinion. It's cool that a series like this can offer different things to different viewers.
It will be interesting to see if at some point, Mon has to decide between her daughter and the rebellion.
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Waiting over a year for season two seems cruel
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Waiting over a year for season two seems cruel
Enjoyable season finale, but there are so many open storylines!
Next up: 3 months till Mando S4.
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It will be interesting to see if at some point, Mon has to decide between her daughter and the rebellion.
So far it’s looking like the latter!
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Enjoyable season finale, but there are so many open storylines!
Next up: 3 months till Mando S4.
I thought a few things would be closer storyline wise. The next season takes us right up to Rogue One. They also added a few storylines taking the characters off Ferrix, too. Have to assume they become charchters within the rebellion. Such a good show
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Starting to see Andor show up on tv (ABC yesterday, FX today). I’m wondering if great reviews but supposedly lower viewership is forcing them to try and push it out on traditional channels?
As an aside, as used to 4k as I am now, it’s fun seeing the broadcast quality for this show. Makes you appreciate the quality of 4k more.
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So far it’s looking like the latter!
Of course, but it's a huge opportunity for major emotional stakes.
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Rewatched the Andor season finale today. So much emotion packed into it, even on a 2nd watch.
It would have been even better if Disney let them use the original line, "F*ck the Empire" instead of "Fight the Empire." But alas, it was still very good.
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Rewatched the Andor season finale today. So much emotion packed into it, even on a 2nd watch.
It would have been even better if Disney let them use the original line, "F*ck the Empire" instead of "Fight the Empire." But alas, it was still very good.
I love that the old lady got to beat some empire butt in the end
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Ending of episode 2 of season 3 for The Mandalorian shakes things up
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I'm enjoying this Mandalorian season very much.
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I'm finding the character-driven parts of the Mandolorian (where we learn more about Din, the culture/religion/cult, etc) to be very interesting. And even though I'm a Star Wars fan, I'm finding the more Star Warsy stuff to be less interesting.
So far, I'm enjoying S3 but not quite as much as I did the first two. That's a real high bar because I really loved the first 2 seasons.
I do hope that in the time remaining this season, we get to see more about what Gorgu will become. The little guy needs to be about more than looking cute and performing the occasional Force magic trick. But I don't know ... maybe they're saving that for a whole new series.
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I'm finding the character-driven parts of the Mandolorian (where we learn more about Din, the culture/religion/cult, etc) to be very interesting. And even though I'm a Star Wars fan, I'm finding the more Star Warsy stuff to be less interesting.
So far, I'm enjoying S3 but not quite as much as I did the first two. That's a real high bar because I really loved the first 2 seasons.
I do hope that in the time remaining this season, we get to see more about what Gorgu will become. The little guy needs to be about more than looking cute and performing the occasional Force magic trick. But I don't know ... maybe they're saving that for a whole new series.
Grogu is The Mandalorian
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Grogu is The Mandalorian
Well, duh!
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3 new ‘Star Wars’ movies coming, including Rey’s return
https://apnews.com/article/star-wars-new-movies-ba6d94901b67bf76fa0edd6461c1edca?utm_medium=HomePage&utm_source=ForYou&user_email=6647dfa7189f748384d7389910f7b584c6fcfc35ae990102964c7e826d4175c7&utm_campaign=AfternoonWire_April7_2023&utm_term=Afternoon%20Wire
LONDON (AP) — For “Star Wars” lovers, new entertainment is a little less far, far away — Lucasfilm announced three new live-action films in the franchise Friday.
The news, which includes the return of Daisy Ridley as Rey in one of the films, was revealed at Star Wars Celebration Europe 2023 in London by Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy and also on the Star Wars website. Directing the movies will be James Mangold, Dave Filoni and Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy. Kennedy brought the directors onstage for the announcement.
Mangold’s film will return to the dawn of the Jedi. Filoni’s will be about the New Republic, and “will close out the interconnected stories told in ‘The Mandalorian,’ ‘The Book of Boba Fett,’ ‘Ahsoka,’ and other Disney+ series,” the announcement said. Obaid-Chinoy’s movie will focus on the events after “The Rise of Skywalker,” and feature Ridley back as Rey “as she builds a new Jedi Order.”
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Very meh 3rd season of The Mandolorian. Disjointed at times, trying to do way too much. Show needs to get back to Mando & Grogu going on episodic adventures and meeting interesting characters along the way.
The finale rushed to try to tie up some storylines. An incredibly weak end story for the Dark Saber (seriously, WTF?). The show set a high bar early, but this season didn’t get back to those expectations.
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Very meh 3rd season of The Mandolorian. Disjointed at times, trying to do way too much. Show needs to get back to Mando & Grogu going on episodic adventures and meeting interesting characters along the way.
The finale rushed to try to tie up some storylines. An incredibly weak end story for the Dark Saber (seriously, WTF?). The show set a high bar early, but this season didn’t get back to those expectations.
Got back on track last week. Expected more with the finale of this season and “meh”. Lots of storytelling avenues have been opened, however.
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I know this is gonna sound weird, but S3 of The Mandalorian was way too, um, Mandolorianish.
A little bit about the culture (and cult) was interesting. An entire season of it was just too much IMHO. It got to the point where every time one of them said, "This is the way," my wife would respond, "Under his eye."
Agree with Dish about the Darksaber. Oopsie ... it got stepped on!
I didn't hate the season, kept watching to see what happened. But "meh" is a good description. A letdown after two great seasons.
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I liked the season. I was locked in every week.
Was just reading that Season 4 is written and the storyline is going to be Dzin Dzarin playing the role that Gina Carano was supposed to play in her spin-off show before getting fired. The last scene with the pilot set it up.
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Very meh 3rd season of The Mandolorian. Disjointed at times, trying to do way too much. Show needs to get back to Mando & Grogu going on episodic adventures and meeting interesting characters along the way.
The finale rushed to try to tie up some storylines. An incredibly weak end story for the Dark Saber (seriously, WTF?). The show set a high bar early, but this season didn’t get back to those expectations.
Ultimately, I liked where they ended up, though I didn't love how they got there. It had its moments. The rehabilitation program was interesting. The battle for Nevarro was great action. The end was kind of predictable, but I think Bo is where she belongs, they opened up the planet for more storytelling, and I really like the potential for Din and Grogu's future adventures.
I do think the Gina Carano stuff kind of screwed up this season. They had to reconfigure how they handled the Rangers and dance around that whole thing while using Captain Teva to advance the story. I also think there was a lot of stuff that was...well...stupid. Why were the Mandalorians still by the lake, and staying without setting a watch while they played outside? Why does no one realize that Elia Kane isn't exactly rehabilitating in the Amnesty Program? Why can no one except Capt. Teva realize that there's stuff going on at the Outer Rim? Why did Moff Gideon take the long route from his office to fight Din and Grogu, giving them time to destroy his clones on the way to the office that he was literally just in?
Looking forward to S4, but glad S3 is in the rearview.
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Finally binged The Mandalorian season 3. Whole season felt pointless. No character growth. No real conflicts to overcome. Tiresome monster of the week trope. Just very basic, linear storytelling.
And at times it resorts to telling, rather than showing, the audience. Captain Teeva tells us that Moff Gideon escaped, we didn't see the breakout. Moff Gideon spent a lot of time talking about what he was up to with out showing us. Just one exposition after another.
The retaking of Mandolore seemed way too rushed. Just completely hollow and unearned. Things just happened with very shallow reasoning from the characters.
I did enjoy episode 3 and learning about the amnesty program. Wish that would have been explored a little longer. Felt like they wrapped things up with Dr. Pershing too quickly.
Overall, not anywhere close to the quality of the first two seasons, which now seem rather pointless. Feels like they ran out of ideas of where to go.
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And at times it resorts to telling, rather than showing, the audience. Captain Teeva tells us that Moff Gideon escaped, we didn't see the breakout. Moff Gideon spent a lot of time talking about what he was up to with out showing us. Just one exposition after another.
The retaking of Mandolore seemed way too rushed. Just completely hollow and unearned. Things just happened with very shallow reasoning from the characters.
I think this is the Rangers cost. The escape of Moff Gideon, watching his plans unfurl, all the stuff Teva was doing, he would've just been the supporting character and all that would've been told in that series had it not been cancelled. They had to just cram it in, which left less time to dedicate to Mandalore and the actual story we were getting.
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I think this is the Rangers cost. The escape of Moff Gideon, watching his plans unfurl, all the stuff Teva was doing, he would've just been the supporting character and all that would've been told in that series had it not been cancelled. They had to just cram it in, which left less time to dedicate to Mandalore and the actual story we were getting.
They could have either recast Cara Dune and went forward with the show, or just drop all of those plotlines. Honestly, that whole plot added nothing to the Star Wars universe and they wouldn't be missed.
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The first two episodes of Ahsoka were fantastic. I've enjoyed Mando and Andor, but this is the first show where you really feel like it's hitting all the Jedi/Galactic scope elements that you get with the movies. Fantastic stuff so far.
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Well,
That was something. Still need Chopper to commit some war crimes. Disappointed in his lack of murder
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Ahsoka
Ep1 & 2: B+
Ep3: B-
Ep4: A+++++++++++++++++++++++
Episode 5 in select theaters: https://www.starwars.com/news/ahsoka-theatrical-event
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Chopper scenes tonight and no genocide. Doesn’t appear he’ll do any genocide in this series. That said…
8 episodes isn’t enough. Spoilers…………………………Ahsoka going Gandalf wasn’t a surprise. The journey feels like it should be a lot longer
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Same thought. Really hoping this is just going to be a setup for bigger things because I feel like there will either be a lot unresolved or it won't be resolved satisfactorily.
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Great stuff. But at this point it has to be setting up season 2 or a crossover. To tie this up in 90 minutes will be rushed and disappointing.
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Great stuff. But at this point it has to be setting up season 2 or a crossover. To tie this up in 90 minutes will be rushed and disappointing.
Filoni has been greenlit to do a movie to tie up the entire Mandoverse.
No word on a second season other than rumors. With the strike, that’s aways away
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Of course on the strike. I am guessing 'the movie' will actually be a trilogy.
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Of course on the strike. I am guessing 'the movie' will actually be a trilogy.
I believe the plan is Mando Season 4 -> Ahsoka season 2 -> Movie
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I believe the plan is Mando Season 4 -> Ahsoka season 2 -> Movie
Here's hoping Mando S4 is better than S3 was, that Ahsoka S2 is as good as S1 is, and that the movie is closer to Rogue One in quality than to other recent productions.
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Filoni has been greenlit to do a movie to tie up the entire Mandoverse.
No word on a second season other than rumors. With the strike, that’s aways away
Not a fan of that plan at all, unless it's a direct to D+ release. The following for Mando, Ahsoka, Rebels, etc. was all built with a televised audience. I initially thought Ahsoka felt accessible for general fans, but the more I watch the more I feel you really need that backstory to understand it all. Even Thrawn is someone you probably won't fully understand if you haven't read Heir to the Empire or some of the later Zahn stuff (Rebels didn't do him justice).
Putting a Mando movie in theaters would be similar to the Serenity movie following Firefly. It was great for diehard fans, but it presumed fans knew too much and it never got the love it deserved because they screwed up the marketing and channel choice for the original show three years earlier. Incorporating all of these into a Mando series would require viewers to have even more knowledge from more properties over a longer period.
I'd watch it, but it's a bad idea to try to cram a cinematic finale into 2 hours when you'll be wrapping (at least) 4 different properties that filled hundreds of hours of screen time.
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Not a fan of that plan at all, unless it's a direct to D+ release. The following for Mando, Ahsoka, Rebels, etc. was all built with a televised audience. I initially thought Ahsoka felt accessible for general fans, but the more I watch the more I feel you really need that backstory to understand it all. Even Thrawn is someone you probably won't fully understand if you haven't read Heir to the Empire or some of the later Zahn stuff (Rebels didn't do him justice).
Putting a Mando movie in theaters would be similar to the Serenity movie following Firefly. It was great for diehard fans, but it presumed fans knew too much and it never got the love it deserved because they screwed up the marketing and channel choice for the original show three years earlier. Incorporating all of these into a Mando series would require viewers to have even more knowledge from more properties over a longer period.
I'd watch it, but it's a bad idea to try to cram a cinematic finale into 2 hours when you'll be wrapping (at least) 4 different properties that filled hundreds of hours of screen time.
Maybe, but I imagine Disney will put older Mando seasons on ABC eventually to build the audience base (similar to what they did with Andor).
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brew, I've always liked Star Wars, have seen all three trilogies (including each film from the original trilogy several times), most of the spin-off movies, and several of the Disney series. I have not seen any of the animated series or read any books. I'd call myself a Star Wars fan but nowhere near an afficionado who knows characters' backstories and whatnot.
Before Ahsoka, I had never even heard of Thrawn. I've liked Ahsoka but I find myself playing catch-up (but with no desire to go back and watch/read dozens of things). I know he's a real bad guy who was sent to exile but now he's being brought back to lead the evildoers back into power, and that's gonna have to be enough for now.
I'm sure it's a constant struggle for Disney on when (and how) to appeal to a bigger audience while also satisfying big-time Star Wars junkies like you.
My wife, for example, couldn't give two shytes about Star Wars ... but when I told her I really thought she'd like Mando, I rewatched S1 with her and then we watched S2 and S3 together. She loved the first two seasons but wasn't thrilled with the deep dive into Mandalorian culture in S3, so she might not tune in for S4. I'm guessing she's not alone - kids and young adults who were attracted to Baby Yoda musta been bored out of their minds for much of S3, and that's an audience Disney needs.
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Maybe, but I imagine Disney will put older Mando seasons on ABC eventually to build the audience base (similar to what they did with Andor).
Not sure that helps much. A few will watch, but it won't be the kind of appointment television needed to generate the audience they want.
Like 82 said, there are simply aspects that won't appeal to a mass audience. I'll go watch it all, but I just don't see the market for the non-hardcore fans.
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Not sure that helps much. A few will watch, but it won't be the kind of appointment television needed to generate the audience they want.
Like 82 said, there are simply aspects that won't appeal to a mass audience. I'll go watch it all, but I just don't see the market for the non-hardcore fans.
Probably right, but good shows (like Mando) will draw an audience. Maybe not Oppenheimer or Force Awakens #s, but solid movies that WILL make the mouse some money.
As for episode 7, another good to very good episode, but like many of these series on Disney+ (MCU and SW), only one episode left, so much left...also, curious character arc for Sabine in this series. She literally aided an abetted her master getting nearly murdered, and when Ahsoka comes back to save them, her only response "You're alive?". then hugs and kisses...kinda lazy if you ask me
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Probably right, but good shows (like Mando) will draw an audience. Maybe not Oppenheimer or Force Awakens #s, but solid movies that WILL make the mouse some money.
As for episode 7, another good to very good episode, but like many of these series on Disney+ (MCU and SW), only one episode left, so much left...also, curious character arc for Sabine in this series. She literally aided an abetted her master getting nearly murdered, and when Ahsoka comes back to save them, her only response "You're alive?". then hugs and kisses...kinda lazy if you ask me
Weak episode. They’re trying hard to portray Thrawn as a master tactician and threat but unless you know his story, the casual viewer has to be confused why he’s such a threat.
That’s the fine line, though, they have to walk incorporating all the Star Wars media. It’s the same problem Marvel is dealing with at the moment. Personally, I know the threat Thrawn poses from lore and Rebels but in this story, you have to accept he’s a big bad if you don’t know the other media.
I hope they don’t tie up all the loose ends and the story continues into the second season. It’s a shame the Baylon arc will end. That could be interesting and add a lot of new threats to the galaxies
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I think the problem is that Filoni isn't great at writing Thrawn. I remember thinking that during Rebels. You read any of the Thrawn books and you understand why he's such a threat. With Tim Zahn writing him, he feels like an indomitable force, even when you think you are defeating him he is 2-3 moves ahead and has a better understanding of what his opponents do than even they do.
The series has been good, I like the reintroduction of Ezra and Sabine, and think Ahsoka is worthy of fleshing out in live action. Baylan Skoll has been a great villain (shame he won't be back) and I like the potential of Shin Hati to be a conflicted grey Jedi. But if they are going to set Thrawn up as the big bad of Filoni's corner of the universe, he should really bring Timothy Zahn in to help with writing. I know Zahn has expressed faith in Filoni, but Thrawn has never felt on screen the way he does in the books.
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As for episode 7, another good to very good episode, but like many of these series on Disney+ (MCU and SW), only one episode left, so much left...also, curious character arc for Sabine in this series. She literally aided an abetted her master getting nearly murdered, and when Ahsoka comes back to save them, her only response "You're alive?". then hugs and kisses...kinda lazy if you ask me
She also literally made it possible for the big, bad Thrawn to get the empire rolling again.
She's a criminal who has done irreparable harm and arguably has cost millions of innocent lives, yet she's celebrated as a hero.
It’s a shame the Baylon arc will end. That could be interesting and add a lot of new threats to the galaxies
I thought the same. As I watched the last couple of episodes, I even wondered if he'd change sides after feeling abandoned by Thrawn, bringing his powers to the good guys.
Although who knows ... lots of assumed dead Star Warsians end up not really being dead, which is always convenient.
I also thought the ending of E7 was a little weird. Almost felt like a celebration for Ahsoka & Gang as if they had accomplished anything ... while Thrawn prepares to kill millions (or billions).
Hey, I'm enjoying the series for what it is and for what I understand (which is most but not all).
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She also literally made it possible for the big, bad Thrawn to get the empire rolling again.
She's a criminal who has done irreparable harm and arguably has cost millions of innocent lives, yet she's celebrated as a hero.
I thought the same. As I watched the last couple of episodes, I even wondered if he'd change sides after feeling abandoned by Thrawn, bringing his powers to the good guys.
Although who knows ... lots of assumed dead Star Warsians end up not really being dead, which is always convenient.
I also thought the ending of E7 was a little weird. Almost felt like a celebration for Ahsoka & Gang as if they had accomplished anything ... while Thrawn prepares to kill millions (or billions).
Hey, I'm enjoying the series for what it is and for what I understand (which is most but not all).
Chopper has done more damage than Sabine, though
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That was hot garbage.
Woof
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That was hot garbage.
Woof
Yeah, disappointed. Mando season 3 wasn’t very good, either. Let down after Andor.
Obviously anticipating a second season
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Agree with you both. Episodes 7 and 8 were quite bad, which was disappointing after getting me reeled in pretty good the first 6 weeks. When S2 comes out, I'll probably wait until a few of you here give it the thumbs up before I decide to watch.
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Agree with you both. Episodes 7 and 8 were quite bad, which was disappointing after getting me reeled in pretty good the first 6 weeks. When S2 comes out, I'll probably wait until a few of you here give it the thumbs up before I decide to watch.
That’s at least two years out. Curious if they recast Ray Stevenson’s role or drop it.
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Glad I'm not alone, YouTube's we're acting like it was the greatest thing in history but it was average... at best
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I feel like they had it ready for greatness and then decided to punt the greatness to season 2.
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Glad I'm not alone, YouTube's we're acting like it was the greatest thing in history but it was average... at best
So, it tied in nicely with Rebels and there is a story to tell continuing into a second season. The big bad got away and the heroes seemingly lost in another galaxy. How they got there had lots of highs but they didn’t land the finish of the season.
I think TV limits the scope and certainly live action versus cartoon really limits them.
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That was hot garbage.
Woof
As someone who loved TCW, especially the Mortis arc, + deep Jedi lore...I'm pumped.
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So, it tied in nicely with Rebels and there is a story to tell continuing into a second season. The big bad got away and the heroes seemingly lost in another galaxy. How they got there had lots of highs but they didn’t land the finish of the season.
I think TV limits the scope and certainly live action versus cartoon really limits them.
I agree tv limits scope compared to clone wars, but man some of the fight choreography was painful compared to the movies or Obiwan. the storm troopers were extra bad, like comically bad, rewatch that last battle and look how many aren't firing or doing anything.
As far as Baylan, I just felt there wasn't enough there to actual make me invested in his plan. Idk glad Thrawns back and Ezra though
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I really felt like it was going very well until the last couple episodes. Really until they got out to Peridea. I can't express how disappointed I am with Filoni's handling of Thrawn. I recently read the second Thrawn trilogy and am rereading Heir to the Empire. It's so well done how Timothy Zahn sets Thrawn up to be 2-3 steps ahead at every turn. Under Filoni, he just feels like a flat villain without any of the depth that made him such a great character, not just as implacable villain in HttE but as a conflicted Imperial officer with independent motivations.
Baylan Skoll was great but hard to see where they go with that from here. Seems obvious the Purgills will come into play again next season. It will be interesting to see if Ezra becomes the focal point Jedi of at least the D+ universe. Be interesting to see what announcements we get in the next few months. Very much an "I really liked this until I didn't" kind of series.
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Some funnies for Christmas time, courtesy of The Onion.
https://www.theonion.com/disney-debuts-new-star-wars-show-about-yoda-battling-1850945929?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2023-12-21
Disney+ Debuts New ‘Star Wars’ Show About Yoda Battling Testicular Cancer
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BURBANK, CA—Calling the series a grueling but ultimately hopeful addition to the sci-fi universe, streaming service Disney+ debuted Dagobah Diaries this week, a show about Yoda’s battle against testicular cancer. “Having squared off against the Sith and Count Dooku’s insidious forces, Yoda starts battling his toughest foe yet when he finds a lump on his right testicle,” Disney CEO Bob Iger said of the miniseries, which follows the Jedi master’s struggle to contend with mounting hospital bills and fears of infertility in what the executive called a “raw, unvarnished space opera,” observing that it provides a glimpse at the heartache that comes from vying with testicular cancer “in a galaxy far, far away.” “Initially, he does his own research and attempts to treat himself using midi-chlorian therapy he found on the internet. But eventually, in a tear-filled scene sure to break the hearts of some fans, he’s convinced by his long-term girlfriend that it’s time to take things seriously and get his cancerous testicle removed by a lightsaber-wielding doctor. Since this takes place immediately after the Jedi Order has fallen, though, Yoda has lost his health insurance. So it’s unfortunately difficult for him to get treatment. That’s really where the second act of the season kicks in.” At press time, fans had praised the series for a Mark Hamill cameo in which Yoda is deftly depicted advising a middle-aged Luke to get his prostate checked.