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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NCMUFan on May 17, 2021, 03:07:15 PM
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While on pleasant memory lane.
What were the most memorable buzzer beaters in MU Basketball?
The Markus to Sam inbound has to be on the list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk9_IA5-rD8
Jerome Whitehead to beat Charlotte in the NCAA tournament.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5u8JuNltiw
Justin Lewis to beat the Badgers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JhNeyH7NE
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Novak versus Notre Dame has to be up there....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE)
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While on pleasant memory lane.
What were the most memorable buzzer beaters in MU Basketball?
The Markus to Sam inbound has to be on the list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk9_IA5-rD8
Too bad Wojo had the wrong guy inbounding the ball.
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Vander Blue against St Johns for the Big East title
Jimmy Butler against UConn turn around jumper.
Jimmy Butler vs St Johns doing the exact same turn around jumper.
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Junior from deep to tie the game in the big east opener vs UConn in 2013.
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My favorite: Doc Rivers half-court shot vs. ND 1981
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Glen-Doc-Rivers-beats-ND-at-the-Buzzer-on-Jan-10-1981-104771325/ (https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Glen-Doc-Rivers-beats-ND-at-the-Buzzer-on-Jan-10-1981-104771325/)
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Wasn't a true buzzer beater, but Vander's layup to cap the comeback against Davidson in the 1st round of the Elite 8 season is a favorite of mine.
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1. Jerome
2. Dameon Mason corner 4 PT play to beat ‘vile.
3. JLew.
4. Junior UConn
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If we're doing worst buzzer beaters then I'm saying half our losses in the 2009-10 and 2010-11 seasons
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Wasn't a true buzzer beater, but Vander's layup to cap the comeback against Davidson in the 1st round of the Elite 8 season is a favorite of mine.
Probably one of the most exciting 1:10 in MU BB History.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EdfwyLvZk
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DJames against Valparaiso.
Sam.
Novak.
Doc.
Whitehead.
All great. Biggest is probably Whitehead.
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1 - Jerome
2 - Junior
3 - J Lew
4 - Doc
5 - Novak
6 - Dameon
Was there in person for each, except obviously for JLew.
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That is cool.
1 - Jerome
2 - Junior
3 - J Lew
4 - Doc
5 - Novak
6 - Dameon
Was there in person for each, except obviously for JLew.
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If we're doing worst buzzer beaters then I'm saying half our losses in the 2009-10 and 2010-11 seasons
That is a long and painful list.
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Crowder against washington was fun.
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1. Jerome Whitehead
2. Every other buzzer beater in the history of
Marquette basketball combined.
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I have a distinct childhood memory of Wardle hitting a buzzer beater against Louisville to cap a huge comeback. Anyone got a video?
Junior hitting the three to tie the game against UConn was the best one I was physically at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k378Ag1Tc30. IIRC, it was the first three we hit all game.
Whitehead in the F4, Novak vs. Notre Dame, and Hauser vs. Creighton have to be up there
There was also the 3/4 court buzzer beater by Gardner that got waved off. I think Derrick Wilson had one too
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Oh and we can't forget about the buzzer beater that led to this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba1h2qaCUAEAUJI.png:large)
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I have a distinct childhood memory of Wardle hitting a buzzer beater against Louisville to cap a huge comeback. Anyone got a video?
Junior hitting the three to tie the game against UConn was the best one I was physically at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k378Ag1Tc30. IIRC, it was the first three we hit all game.
Whitehead in the F4, Novak vs. Notre Dame, and Hauser vs. Creighton have to be up there
There was also the 3/4 court buzzer beater by Gardner that got waved off. I think Derrick Wilson had one too
I was at the Wardle game in Louisville January 1998. Furious comeback from 16-18 down. Long buzzer beater jump shot. 19,000+ at Freedom Hall went stone cold silent. My 5 buddies and I were anything but silent. Felt lucky to get out unharmed, and I've been to more Packers/Bears and Brewers/Cubs/WSox games than I can count
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1 - Jerome
2 - Junior
3 - J Lew
4 - Doc
5 - Novak
6 - Dameon
Was there in person for each, except obviously for JLew.
How can I forget Luke’s shot. Put that at #2 and drop the others down a notch. Was there at the old Arena for that one as well.
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I have a distinct childhood memory of Wardle hitting a buzzer beater against Louisville to cap a huge comeback. Anyone got a video?
https://twitter.com/ClassicsCBB/status/1320174836086312960?s=19
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My favorite: Doc Rivers half-court shot vs. ND 1981
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Glen-Doc-Rivers-beats-ND-at-the-Buzzer-on-Jan-10-1981-104771325/ (https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Glen-Doc-Rivers-beats-ND-at-the-Buzzer-on-Jan-10-1981-104771325/)
This.
But since I was there and had an almost front row seat to it, I liked Jerel McNeal's steal and buzzer beater against USF at USF, my brother's alma mater.
https://tv5.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=270280058
- Jerel McNeal had a hunch Marquette was going to be fine.
"Everybody just had a look in their eyes like: 'Hey, we're going to pull it out. We're not going to lose this game," the sophomore guard said Sunday after stealing a pass and driving nearly the length of the floor to make a layup at the buzzer to give the Golden Eagles (No. 20 ESPN/USA Today; No. 15 AP) a 70-68 victory over South Florida.
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Wasn't a true buzzer beater, but Vander's layup to cap the comeback against Davidson in the 1st round of the Elite 8 season is a favorite of mine.
Still one of the biggest most unexpected shots in MU history......Was in the first row behind Hank.....Better connections on tickets then than now.....LOL.....It was about 6 to 8 feet past the quarter hash.....Rivers for some reason either got the pass or was dribbling and was going out of bounds.....Rose up and shot it from the side hip.....From my vantage point......It was a $hit.....it is off.....Left.....But then it kissed off the backboard perfectly.....It was really moving.....The only way it could have gone in was off the bank.....Hank almost had a heart attack.....Did his best "Jefferson imitation"......Was on the court over the players bench in seconds......The court was completely filled......
Nothing better than beating Notre Dame.....Only more satisfying win was when Wade blew out Kentucky......
I think that was the Kelly Tripucka game where I had his "goat".....He had just gotten his hair permed and was giving It to him.....He kept on looking over at the MU bench when it was the guy behind the bench that was giving him $hit.....Pretty funny....
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Novak versus Notre Dame has to be up there....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE)
the one I came here to post. I was at a bar for an alumni event talking to a MU buddy whose wife made him go to a work event that night, doing the play-by-play over the phone for the final shot. When it went in I started screaming. He may have lost hearing for a while but it was worth it.
Mason's was awesome too. Crean was going after Pitino, who was constantly out of the coaches box and working the refs hard. Crean gave it right back to him. After the game it was discovered Pitino had made up fake newspaper headlines and articles where TC allegedly had been bashing Louisville players. A Bradley Center employee found them and gave them to TC.
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Funny, no one mentions the Iceman's streak killer at the Arena, hey?
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Funny, no one mentions the Iceman's streak killer at the Arena, hey?
Dwight Clay?
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That's it, Lenny Man. Took out the Warriors home winning streak as well, hey?
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That's it, Lenny Man. Took out the Warriors home winning streak as well, hey?
That was a hard one to watch at the Arena.
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I was at the Wardle game in Louisville January 1998. Furious comeback from 16-18 down. Long buzzer beater jump shot. 19,000+ at Freedom Hall went stone cold silent. My 5 buddies and I were anything but silent. Felt lucky to get out unharmed, and I've been to more Packers/Bears and Brewers/Cubs/WSox games than I can count
If I recall, Deane was giving it to fans in the stands after. I remember being a kid and chucking pillows and being yelled at for swearing late in that game cause it was going POORLY. What a swing
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If by "best" we mean most important or biggest, there is one and only one answer. I mean, it won a Final Four game and got us within one win of the only championship in Marquette history. So Jerome's shot is No. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
But if we're talking about "favorite" or "best you witnessed in person," or "best you witnessed period," then all those mentioned here are so much fun to get to remember all over again ... so thanks, everybody!
Mine was Rivers' shot. I was sitting near halfcourt, on the opposite side, so I had no angle to tell if it was on target. When it went in, it was totally amazing ... and then total bedlam. I love the photos of Michael Wilson sitting on the rim, celebrating. The fact that I really like Glenn as a person adds to my enjoyment of that shot.
My three other faves: Sam's shot against Creighton, Vander's drive against Davidson and Junior's shot against UConn. Sam's and Junior's seem impossible, and Vander's capped a comeback that I still can't believe happened and sent us on the way to the Elite Eight. Novak's was right up there, as was Vander's Big East title clincher vs. St. John's.
I wasn't a Marquette fan yet when Lucas hit his, so I just don't remember it. I've heard about it for years, and I've seen the photos, and I know the mayhem that ensued afterward, so I love that it happened.
And yes, beating Madison anytime is wonderful, so I really appreciate Justin for putting that ball in the basket!
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Alisson’s header in the 95th minute on Sunday.
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In recent memory, Blue against St John's for the Big East title.
For me it's the buzzer beater winner that really matters. Hauser and Junior forced OT, they didn't win games. Blue against Davidson and Novak against ND didn't actually beat the buzzer, they left time on the clock.
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Can we give Travis Downer's game winner in TBT an honorable mention or an asterisk or something? It was a million dollar shot after all.
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Damn spell check
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Damn spell check
There is a modify option.
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1. Jerome Whitehead
2. Every other buzzer beater in the history of
Marquette basketball combined.
Only Jerome’s mattered.
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4ever
I have mentioned before, but the Dwight Clay shot was the first time I ever left an MU game after a loss. Seeing a loss in person was awfully tough. I will never forget the silence of the crowd walking out of the Arena and on the way to our car.
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Only Jerome’s mattered.
False
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Only Jerome’s mattered.
So winning the big east title was nothing more than another game to you?
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Probably one of the most exciting 1:10 in MU BB History.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EdfwyLvZk
So fantastic to see that again. I think I've told my personal story from that day before. Few things in my life are so vivid for me. Helluva 24 hours, that's for sure.
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And yes, beating Madison anytime is wonderful, so I really appreciate Justin for putting that ball in the basket!
Goes to show what a poor season this past one was that the UWM win totally escaped my mind.
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In recent memory, Blue against St John's for the Big East title.
For me it's the buzzer beater winner that really matters. Hauser and Junior forced OT, they didn't win games. Blue against Davidson and Novak against ND didn't actually beat the buzzer, they left time on the clock.
If Junior misses his buzzer beater against UConn, then Vander's buzzer beater against St. John's doesn't win the BE title share.
If Vander had missed his, Marquette might have still won in double OT.
I still would rank Vander's as more significant, but without Junior's there is no BE title.
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If Junior misses his buzzer beater against UConn, then Vander's buzzer beater against St. John's doesn't win the BE title share.
If Vander had missed his, Marquette might have still won in double OT.
I still would rank Vander's as more significant, but without Junior's there is no BE title.
IIRC Junior's buzzer beater was just to force OT. Game winning bb > game tying bb. I also believe that UCONN game was the one with a stoppage about 2 minutes into OT when the refs realized that both teams were going the wrong way.
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IIRC Junior's buzzer beater was just to force OT. Game winning bb > game tying bb. I also believe that UCONN game was the one with a stoppage about 2 minutes into OT when the refs realized that both teams were going the wrong way.
Game tying buzzer beaters are huge when you win in OT, but meaningless if you lose in OT.
If Junior misses against UConn, Marquette is 13-5 and does NOT win the BE. Vander's buzzer beater against St. John's wouldn't have been the iconic BE title delivering moment that it is.
No doubt Vander's is the bigger moment since it clinched a BE title share in real time, while Junior's shot needs the benefit of hindsight to truly appreciate its significance.
In my mind, the two shots are linked. A poetic bookend to Marquette's lone BE title: a buzzer beater to avoid defeat in the BE opener and a BE clinching buzzer beater in the BE finale.
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Game tying buzzer beaters are huge when you win in OT, but meaningless if you lose in OT.
If Junior misses against UConn, Marquette is 13-5 and does NOT win the BE. Vander's buzzer beater against St. John's wouldn't have been the iconic BE title delivering moment that it is.
No doubt Vander's is the bigger moment since it clinched a BE title share in real time, while Junior's shot needs the benefit of hindsight to truly appreciate its significance.
In my mind, the two shots are linked. A poetic bookend to Marquette's lone BE title: a buzzer beater to avoid defeat in the BE opener and a BE clinching buzzer beater in the BE finale.
I mean we can't say that for sure. Maybe then they aren't going in as confident later on and flop against Ville or GTown. Maybe they play with a bit more fire against Cincinnati.
But yes assuming all else the same you're right every shot that year is a difference maker
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I was at the Wardle game in Louisville January 1998. Furious comeback from 16-18 down. Long buzzer beater jump shot. 19,000+ at Freedom Hall went stone cold silent. My 5 buddies and I were anything but silent. Felt lucky to get out unharmed, and I've been to more Packers/Bears and Brewers/Cubs/WSox games than I can count
https://twitter.com/ClassicsCBB/status/1320174836086312960?s=19
That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks for sharing the story and the link to the video. Memory is a crazy thing. I was 8 years old when I watched that game and don't know if I've seen a replay since. The second that clip started playing, I remembered exactly how the last play went down. One of my earliest MUBB memories.
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If we're doing worst buzzer beaters then I'm saying half our losses in the 2009-10 and 2010-11 seasons
This will always be the worst for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsWbqqgvYrs
I was sitting on the edge of the Marquette section, right across the aisle from the Butler section. There was a group of obnoxious 40 something old Butler fans acting like high schoolers. Every time Butler scored or MU messed up they would turn to the MU section and be generally obnoxious. One of them yelled "travel" literally every time Marquette was dribbling and would go ballistic at the ref every time Marquette would score. Watching that circus shot go in was painful.
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Novak versus Notre Dame has to be up there....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE)
This is my personal favorite.
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This will always be the worst for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsWbqqgvYrs
I was sitting on the edge of the Marquette section, right across the aisle from the Butler section. There was a group of obnoxious 40 something old Butler fans acting like high schoolers. Every time Butler scored or MU messed up they would turn to the MU section and be generally obnoxious. One of them yelled "travel" literally every time Marquette was dribbling and would go ballistic at the ref every time Marquette would score. Watching that circus shot go in was painful.
Oh year and then he nearly repeated it in the NCAA tournament.
Mine is Washington in 2010 ncaa tournament. I don't care if Quincy Pondexter or Isaiah Thomas lead the Bulls to an NBA title I still wouldn't root for either because I'm still salty about that.
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I’m nervous watching these videos even knowing that the shot goes in....
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Oh year and then he nearly repeated it in the NCAA tournament.
Mine is Washington in 2010 ncaa tournament. I don't care if Quincy Pondexter or Isaiah Thomas lead the Bulls to an NBA title I still wouldn't root for either because I'm still salty about that.
I think mine is for sure Brook Lopez. Going in, we had no idea how we’d guard both of those big guys. Then the craziness of their coach getting ejected and us hanging tough.
I’ll still never know how he made that shot from that angle.
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I think mine is for sure Brook Lopez. Going in, we had no idea how we’d guard both of those big guys. Then the craziness of their coach getting ejected and us hanging tough.
I’ll still never know how he made that shot from that angle.
That was the year before I started following MUBB so luckily I didn't have to endure that one. See. The video a few times, am actually curious if Bucks fans are over it or refuse to root for Lopez.
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That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks for sharing the story and the link to the video. Memory is a crazy thing. I was 8 years old when I watched that game and don't know if I've seen a replay since. The second that clip started playing, I remembered exactly how the last play went down. One of my earliest MUBB memories.
I was a senior and that play happened over break. The first week back a TV was set up in the AMU and that game was playing. I walked by and Wardle, Clausen, and Lovette were there watching it with the crowd that has gathered around and were loving the Deane reaction. As the coaches walked off the court and fans were screaming at them one of the assistants (maybe Theiss) turned around and screamed "f--k you" to the fans. Wardle rewound the tape multiple times so we could see it.
10-0 after that game, with road wins over Bucky and Louisville. Then Hutch gets injured and starts warring with Deane and we lost four in a row (and our last three of the regular season) and finish 17-9. Uggh. The beginning of the end for Deane.
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I think mine is for sure Brook Lopez. Going in, we had no idea how we’d guard both of those big guys. Then the craziness of their coach getting ejected and us hanging tough.
I’ll still never know how he made that shot from that angle.
That one haunts me. A buddy and I were texting about plans for Houston for the Sweet 16. I was watching at a bar in Manhattan and there were guys randomly rooting for Stanford. Down the stretch and in OT I was shaking so much I couldn't drink my beer and yelled at them at one point about how they couldn't even get into Stanford. Jerel takes a crap shot at the end of regulation to win it, then a bad shot that would have put us up three on our final possession. Burke defended Lopez perfectly and he hits it anyway. I lost it, kicked the stool I'd been sitting on and stormed out, never to return to that bar. I hope my wife paid our tab. After that game my wife made me promise I'd never do that over a game again. Worst ending to a MU game ever.
EDIT - a few years later I'm doing an interview and the guy I'm interviewing notices my MU scarf on my wall. It was the PG who made the pass to Lopez for the game winner (assist #16). "Best game I've ever played in."
That was the year before I started following MUBB so luckily I didn't have to endure that one. See. The video a few times, am actually curious if Bucks fans are over it or refuse to root for Lopez.
My guess is most Bucks fans are also Bucky fans so they don't care.
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I love Brook and wish the Bucks would let him go to work in the paint more. I don't really blame him for MU's loss. I blame Crean for not being able to coach the team well enough to beat Stanford without their head coach on the sideline.
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am actually curious if Bucks fans are over it or refuse to root for Lopez.
Enough time has passed for this MU & Bucks fan to feel Lopez is OK afterall. 10 years ago? Uh uh
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I love Brook and wish the Bucks would let him go to work in the paint more. I don't really blame him for MU's loss. I blame Crean for not being able to coach the team well enough to beat Stanford without their head coach on the sideline.
Yeah, he only dropped 30 on us that day.
You blame Crean for his sideline coaching losing in OT by 1 in what was an overwhelming pro Stanford crowd, against a team with two 7 footers who both have played years in the NBA. While we had Ous and Burke to try and hold Brook and Robin in check. Terrible, terrible matchup was why we lost.
And this from a guy who never could bring himself to criticize in the least completely in over his head and incompetent Wojo.
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Yeah, he only dropped 30 on us that day.
You blame Crean for his sideline coaching losing in OT by 1 in what was an overwhelming pro Stanford crowd, against a team with two 7 footers who both have played years in the NBA. While we had Ous and Burke to try and hold Brook and Robin in check. Terrible, terrible matchup was why we lost.
And this from a guy who never could bring himself to criticize in the least completely in over his head and incompetent Wojo.
Stanford was the 3 seed and we were the 6 too. DJ went 4 for 16 from the field, MU went 10 for 30 from three. Jerel, while he had a very good game, was 4 for 12 from three. That wasn't Crean's fault.
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Stanford was the 3 seed and we were the 6 too. DJ went 4 for 16 from the field, MU went 10 for 30 from three. Jerel, while he had a very good game, was 4 for 12 from three. That wasn't Crean's fault.
Excellent points
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Stanford was the 3 seed and we were the 6 too. DJ went 4 for 16 from the field, MU went 10 for 30 from three. Jerel, while he had a very good game, was 4 for 12 from three. That wasn't Crean's fault.
So having your 30.4% three point shooter shooting 12 three pointers is fine in game coaching I guess. Or having your team that ranked 161st in 3 point field goal percentage shoot 30 three pointers doesn't fall on the coach. Giving up a 13-2 run mid second half? Not on the coach. Unable to draw up a competent play to end regulation or on your last possession? Nothing Crean could've done. Fair enough.
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Game tying buzzer beaters are huge when you win in OT, but meaningless if you lose in OT.
If Junior misses against UConn, Marquette is 13-5 and does NOT win the BE. Vander's buzzer beater against St. John's wouldn't have been the iconic BE title delivering moment that it is.
No doubt Vander's is the bigger moment since it clinched a BE title share in real time, while Junior's shot needs the benefit of hindsight to truly appreciate its significance.
In my mind, the two shots are linked. A poetic bookend to Marquette's lone BE title: a buzzer beater to avoid defeat in the BE opener and a BE clinching buzzer beater in the BE finale.
I have always thought Junior's shot was very underrated. I mean, we needed a 3 just to tie, and he drills it. We go on to win in OT, setting up the entire BEast season and E8 run. The fact that it was a non-shooter who stepped up like that, a guy who often is forgotten when talking about how good that team was, somehow made it even bigger in my mind.
As you said, it's pretty hard to say that shot was "bigger" than either of Vander's drives because of what those delivered, but nobody should understate the importance of Junior's shot.
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So winning the big east title was nothing more than another game to you?
Basically, yes.
I always enjoy Marquette wins, no matter when and where.
But to matter, it has to be something big... really big.
If Jerome hadn't delivered, the lore that is Marquette basketball may never have been. We'd be another has been that never was.
If you're satisfied with BEast championships, then, yes, there are others. But if you think Marquette should contend for Nattys regularly, then Jerome is the top of the scale on buzzer beaters.
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Basically, yes.
I always enjoy Marquette wins, no matter when and where.
But to matter, it has to be something big... really big.
If Jerome hadn't delivered, the lore that is Marquette basketball may never have been. We'd be another has been that never was.
If you're satisfied with BEast championships, then, yes, there are others. But if you think Marquette should contend for Nattys regularly, then Jerome is the top of the scale on buzzer beaters.
I would argue (and already did), that Jerome's shot was by far the biggest in Marquette history. But to say that not a single other one "matters" seems more than a little silly.
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Basically, yes.
I always enjoy Marquette wins, no matter when and where.
But to matter, it has to be something big... really big.
If Jerome hadn't delivered, the lore that is Marquette basketball may never have been. We'd be another has been that never was.
If you're satisfied with BEast championships, then, yes, there are others. But if you think Marquette should contend for Nattys regularly, then Jerome is the top of the scale on buzzer beaters.
Yeah this is a ridiculous take. Plenty of others mattered. Yes Jeromes is by far the biggest but to imply that Vander winning the Big East or other various NCAA tournament buzzer beaters, are on the same level as say a random win in the non conference is ridiculous.
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If you're satisfied with BEast championships, then, yes, there are others. But if you think Marquette should contend for Nattys regularly, then Jerome is the top of the scale on buzzer beaters.
You said it was the only one it matters. Which is wrong. It may have mattered more than others, but others certainly mattered.
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Tournament is a crapshoot
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So having your 30.4% three point shooter shooting 12 three pointers is fine in game coaching I guess. Or having your team that ranked 161st in 3 point field goal percentage shoot 30 three pointers doesn't fall on the coach. Giving up a 13-2 run mid second half? Not on the coach. Unable to draw up a competent play to end regulation or on your last possession? Nothing Crean could've done. Fair enough.
McNeal had a wide open 15-16 footer their last offensive possession. It was a well drawn up play that got him open too. He just missed it.
The end of regulation wasn’t the greatest look, but McNeal still had some daylight to get a decent look at the rim. The OT miss was a great look though.
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You said it was the only one it matters. Which is wrong. It may have mattered more than others, but others certainly mattered.
Buzzer beaters no
matts
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Eff, hyperbole people.
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Eff, hyperbole people.
;D
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I would argue (and already did), that Jerome's shot was by far the biggest in Marquette history. But to say that not a single other one "matters" seems more than a little silly.
Brother MU, let me explain it this way.
In my time of following Marquette basketball, there have been many shots and many disappointments. The wins on last-second shots make you feel good, make the team feel good and are at times catalysts for a team to go on a big winning streak.
But over time, they fade. For example, I'm surprised Glenn River's 892 foot shot from South Milwaukee that beat Notre Dame in the early 1980s isn't near the top of everyone's list. Yeah, it beat Notre Dame and yeah, we all felt good. But it faded, just like Sam Hauser's buzzer beater against Creighton a few years back did. We had a great feeling for a few days, but eventually it's another game.
Jerome Whitehead's shot was incredibly different. Without it, we never would have faced perpetual overdog North Carolina and Al's coaching greatness probably would have been ignored. Suffice to say, Al would have been better remembered as a Coach who couldn't get his team over the threshold (1969, 1971, 1974 and 1976). I also wonder whether Al would have had the television success he had if we had not beaten UNCC and UNC.
Marquette as a basketball team is who we are and what we are in no small measure because of 1977. Same goes for the university. That season defined Marquette. It still does -- nauseatingly so at times. It's like the 1985 Chicago Bears. One would think in the time since, we and the Bears could have done something better, but I digress.
That's why nothing else compares. Marquette's image as an institution is defined by 1977 and Jerome's shot defined that season. Our team trains in the Al McGuire Center, plays on the Al McGuire Court and wears Al McGuire patches on their uniforms for a reason. You can thank the late Jerome Whitehead for a lot of that.
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Brother MU, let me explain it this way.
In my time of following Marquette basketball, there have been many shots and many disappointments. The wins on last-second shots make you feel good, make the team feel good and are at times catalysts for a team to go on a big winning streak.
But over time, they fade. For example, I'm surprised Glenn River's 892 foot shot from South Milwaukee that beat Notre Dame in the early 1980s isn't near the top of everyone's list. Yeah, it beat Notre Dame and yeah, we all felt good. But it faded, just like Sam Hauser's buzzer beater against Creighton a few years back did. We had a great feeling for a few days, but eventually it's another game.
Jerome Whitehead's shot was incredibly different. Without it, we never would have faced perpetual overdog North Carolina and Al's coaching greatness probably would have been ignored. Suffice to say, Al would have been better remembered as a Coach who couldn't get his team over the threshold (1969, 1971, 1974 and 1976). I also wonder whether Al would have had the television success he had if we had not beaten UNCC and UNC.
Marquette as a basketball team is who we are and what we are in no small measure because of 1977. Same goes for the university. That season defined Marquette. It still does -- nauseatingly so at times. It's like the 1985 Chicago Bears. One would think in the time since, we and the Bears could have done something better, but I digress.
That's why nothing else compares. Marquette's image as an institution is defined by 1977 and Jerome's shot defined that season. Our team trains in the Al McGuire Center, plays on the Al McGuire Court and wears Al McGuire patches on their uniforms for a reason. You can thank the late Jerome Whitehead for a lot of that.
Did you read this thread, dg?
If you did, you would see with your own 2 eyes that memories of the shots by Rivers, Hauser, Cadougan, Blue, etc obviously HAVEN’T faded.
So your thesis has holes.
But yeah, Whirehead’s shot is far and away the “best” in Marquette history. And yeah, Al was great. Few have said otherwise.
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Jerome Whitehead. NCAA tourney. Drops mike.
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Did you read this thread, dg?
If you did, you would see with your own 2 eyes that memories of the shots by Rivers, Hauser, Cadougan, Blue, etc obviously HAVEN’T completely faded.
So your thesis has, perhaps a few, holes.
But yeah, Whitehead’s shot is far and away the “best” in Marquette history. And yeah, Al was great. Few have said otherwise.
Fixed it for you.
Unless you're an older alum who was there when these shots were made, they've faded. These are not the shots of legends made, except for maybe Blue.
Perhaps the reason many haven't completely faded is that our performance over the past seven years has been so joyless.
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Fixed it for you.
Unless you're an older alum who was there when these shots were made, they've faded. These are not the shots of legends made, except for maybe Blue.
Perhaps the reason many haven't completely faded is that our performance over the past seven years has been so joyless.
It's a matter of perspective. No doubt Whitehead's was the best and most consequential in MU history, but I was 10 months old at the time so it doesn't resonate with me that much. Ones I've seen with my own eyes, either on TV or in person will always come to mind first, especially when we can remember where I was for many of them.
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But over time, they fade.
Sure that's not because you're getting up there in years eh Brother Dgies? ;D
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Age isn't his issue. He's a Cardinal fan. That's baaaaaaad enough. ;D ;D ;D
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Age isn't his issue. He's a Cardinal fan. That's baaaaaaad enough. ;D ;D ;D
Facts
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Age isn't his issue. He's a Cardinal fan. That's baaaaaaad enough. ;D ;D ;D
Turkeys. :D 8-)
Keep in mind, it's the FIRST PLACE St. Louis Cardinals.
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Fixed it for you.
Unless you're an older alum who was there when these shots were made, they've faded. These are not the shots of legends made, except for maybe Blue.
Perhaps the reason many haven't completely faded is that our performance over the past seven years has been so joyless.
Silliness.
Fans who were born after 1970 likely never saw Whitehead's shot, except in grainy videos. To them, they know about it and they know its importance in Marquette history, but, as Billy said, it "doesn't resonate."
To those whose Marquette stint/fandom began in 1990 or later -- which will be a bigger and bigger percentage of fans as the years go on -- shots like Vander's and Junior's and Sam's will always "mean" more than Whitehead's because all they know about Whitehead's is what they've read. Whereas they got to experience more recent ones firsthand.
For a pretty big percentage of Marquette fans -- fans who are every bit as big fans as you and me -- there is little to no memory of Whitehead's shot to fade.
Until another Marquette player makes a shot that leads directly to us winning another national title, Whitehead's will forever be the "biggest" shot in school history. But it can't be the "best memory" for a large contingent of Marquette fans because they simply never saw it.
You will get to go to your grave -- hopefully a long, long, long time from now -- having witnessed the biggest Marquette shot ever. You and others of your generation are fortunate. But stating that all others are meaningless ... that's just dopey. And you know it. You've done a nice job getting folks riled up, though.
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Vander Blue against St Johns for the Big East title
Jimmy Butler against UConn turn around jumper.
Jimmy Butler vs St Johns doing the exact same turn around jumper.
The Jimmy ones are burned into my mind. Nearly the same spot in two games was wild, and just a few days apart. Such tough shots.
https://www.youtube.com/v/AD5p_kg5oAo
https://www.youtube.com/v/PDBbyen3Cqs
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The Jimmy ones are burned into my mind. Nearly the same spot in two games was wild, and just a few days apart. Such tough shots.
https://www.youtube.com/v/AD5p_kg5oAo
https://www.youtube.com/v/PDBbyen3Cqs
Good call. Jimmy was so clutch that season.
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I was at both games. What is funny about the UConn game is that Calhoun was not coaching. So on the final UConn possession, someone said "no" and Kemba heard "go," giving us far more time on the clock for the final posession shouldn't have had.
On the DJO free throws, the UConn fans around us were mad, and my buddy and I turned around and said "don't worry, we can't hit clutch free throws this season..." and DJO hits all three.
Oh, and the Civic Center served Long Trail Pale Ale.
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I was at both games. What is funny about the UConn game is that Calhoun was not coaching. So on the final UConn possession, someone said "no" and Kemba heard "go," giving us far more time on the clock for the final posession shouldn't have had.
On the DJO free throws, the UConn fans around us were mad, and my buddy and I turned around and said "don't worry, we can't hit clutch free throws this season..." and DJO hits all three.
Oh, and the Civic Center served Long Trail Pale Ale.
During those games, my older daughter liked to yell "Miss it!" from the nose bleeds in a very quiet Civic Center while UConn shot free throws.
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Wasn't a true buzzer beater, but Vander's layup to cap the comeback against Davidson in the 1st round of the Elite 8 season is a favorite of mine.
Jerome’s was the best. But Vander’s Lay up against Davidson was also one of my favorites since I yelled “Go” from behind the Marquette bench at top of my lungs in a quiet Rupp Arena when Vander caught the inbound. Happy Vander made it.
Also “Lewis” beating Wisconsin with tip in at Buzzer and “Lucas” beating Wisconsin with a 20 Footer at the buzzer.
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1 - Jerome
2 - Junior
3 - J Lew
4 - Doc
5 - Novak
6 - Dameon
Was there in person for each, except obviously for JLew.
Again Jerome’s was my favorite. But was Courtside for Junior’s, Steve’s and Dameon’s. Also mentioning to the officials Louisville was going to foul Marquette right before Dameon’s 4 point play.
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Silliness.
Fans who were born after 1970 likely never saw Whitehead's shot, except in grainy videos. To them, they know about it and they know its importance in Marquette history, but, as Billy said, it "doesn't resonate."
To those whose Marquette stint/fandom began in 1990 or later -- which will be a bigger and bigger percentage of fans as the years go on -- shots like Vander's and Junior's and Sam's will always "mean" more than Whitehead's because all they know about Whitehead's is what they've read. Whereas they got to experience more recent ones firsthand.
For a pretty big percentage of Marquette fans -- fans who are every bit as big fans as you and me -- there is little to no memory of Whitehead's shot to fade.
Until another Marquette player makes a shot that leads directly to us winning another national title, Whitehead's will forever be the "biggest" shot in school history. But it can't be the "best memory" for a large contingent of Marquette fans because they simply never saw it.
You will get to go to your grave -- hopefully a long, long, long time from now -- having witnessed the biggest Marquette shot ever. You and others of your generation are fortunate. But stating that all others are meaningless ... that's just dopey. And you know it. You've done a nice job getting folks riled up, though.
Babe Ruth’s called home run never happened.
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Babe Ruth’s called home run never happened.
Take it back!
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Novak versus Notre Dame has to be up there....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcZz-er3pEE)
I love the guy doing back flips right towards the ND players coming off the court.
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Jerel McNeal at South Florida
There are many more that are better, but this is the only one that I attended.
Side note: If I wasn't nursing a wicked hangover, I think I would have enjoyed it even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4kRaPtKUmc