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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Not A Serious Person on May 12, 2021, 09:38:05 AM
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31432017/five-star-recruit-patrick-baldwin-play-father-milwaukee
Five-star basketball recruit Patrick Baldwin has committed to Milwaukee of the Horizon League, he told ESPN on Wednesday, spurning offers from the likes of Duke, Georgetown and Virginia to join his father Patrick Baldwin Sr., the Panthers' head coach since 2017.
When was the last time the top basketball recruit in the City of Milwaukee did not go to MU?
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31432017/five-star-recruit-patrick-baldwin-play-father-milwaukee
Five-star basketball recruit Patrick Baldwin has committed to Milwaukee of the Horizon League, he told ESPN on Wednesday, spurning offers from the likes of Duke, Georgetown and Virginia to join his father Patrick Baldwin Sr., the Panthers' head coach since 2017.
When was the last time the top basketball recruit in the City of Milwaukee did not go to MU?
When’s the last time the top Milwaukee recruit had a dad coaching UWM
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Superbar.
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When’s the last time the top Milwaukee recruit had a dad coaching UWM
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31432017/five-star-recruit-patrick-baldwin-play-father-milwaukee
Five-star basketball recruit Patrick Baldwin has committed to Milwaukee of the Horizon League, he told ESPN on Wednesday, spurning offers from the likes of Duke, Georgetown and Virginia to join his father Patrick Baldwin Sr., the Panthers' head coach since 2017.
When was the last time the top basketball recruit in the City of Milwaukee did not go to MU?
Let's see before PBJ?
2021, Michael Foster
2020, Jalen Johnson
2019, Xzavier Jones
2018, Tyler Herro
2017, Terrence Lewis
2016, Kostas Antetokounmpo
2015, Diamond Stone
2014, Kevon Looney
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MU should schedule a game vs UWM this year because of this.
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When was the last time the top basketball recruit in the City of Milwaukee did not go to MU?
Um...every year since 2013?
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When was the last time the top basketball recruit in the City of Milwaukee did not go to MU?
I have to assume you meant to include “and stayed in Milwaukee.”
I had a glimmer of hope he’d come to MU, but I assume the only way he was staying in Milwaukee was at a school his dad was the head coach.
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Are we the third ticket in town next year?
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Are we the third ticket in town next year?
No, UWM will still suck, playing teams that aren’t a draw, in a bad gym.
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Great for UWM. Hope they get a few players to complement and become relevant again...for a few years anyway. Yes, time to schedule vs. MU.
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Good for PBJ. His success or failure depends so much more on other factors rather than where he attends college next year. He'll have memories from this coming year for the rest of his life.
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This will save Baldwins job for 2 more years, good for him, good for there program. It was fun when Pearl got the team to the tourney.
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No, UWM will still suck, playing teams that aren’t a draw, in a bad gym.
Exactly. One of the local radio guys said this is "the biggest thing to happen for basketball in the city in years."
My eyes rolled so hard I almost crashed the car.
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No, UWM will still suck, playing teams that aren’t a draw, in a bad gym.
Exactly.
UWM basketball? WGAS
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When was the last time the top basketball recruit in the City of Milwaukee did not go to MU?
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Exactly. One of the local radio guys said this is "the biggest thing to happen for basketball in the city in years."
My eyes rolled so hard I almost crashed the car.
LOL. Not even the biggest thing in college basketball this year, much less multiple. And Giannis is perennially bigger than anything else in the state.
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All 3500 people at the MECCA will love this
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MU should schedule a game vs UWM this year because of this.
Pass. Does nothing for us.
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Honestly this is really good for UWM. Hopefully they can use it to turn around their program a little, but my guess is that it will end up simply being a flash in the pan like McCallum at Detroit Mercy.
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Steele just tweeted that MU's schedule was "done and dusted" months ago and UWM is not on it.
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All 3500 people at the MECCA will love this
Wow! You're expecting the crowd size to double to this amount?
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Wow! You're expecting the crowd size to double to this amount?
I’d anticipate some buzz for UWM and some increased fan support. Their alumni base is very big in the area and I’m sure it will bring some students out. I remember kids in my high school going down to the Horizon League tournament when Pearl was coaching. I’m sure students on campus would turn out in the beginning.
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No thanks on a game with them. Especially after what they pulled last time with the ticket situation at their place. They didn’t sell individual tickets for the MU game and made you buy like a 5 game pack if I recall correctly. Oh and the place was empty for the game.
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Steele just tweeted that MU's schedule was "done and dusted" months ago and UWM is not on it.
Did Baldwin Sr do anything to capitalize on his son playing there? They lost their 2nd leading scorer. They've added a role player from USF. They didn't schedule MU. It's May 11th...is going 14-16 and making the Horizon Semi's going to be that great?
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I would say there will be certain excitement for the fans, if they start winning they might draw 5,000. Better than 1200 they normally get
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Did Baldwin Sr do anything to capitalize on his son playing there? They lost their 2nd leading scorer. They've added a role player from USF. They didn't schedule MU. It's May 11th...is going 14-16 and making the Horizon Semi's going to be that great?
My guess is a contract extension for himself.
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Honestly this is really good for UWM. Hopefully they can use it to turn around their program a little, but my guess is that it will end up simply being a flash in the pan like McCallum at Detroit Mercy.
It will be, even less so than McCallum. His dad actually had a decent team the year before he got there, and then he stayed 2-3 years. And it still didn't elevate the program (and frankly hurt McCallum's draft stock).
UWM isn't going to bring in any good transfers from this. Any future recruits wouldn't play with PBJ anyways. And UWM may not even be projected to be top 3 in the conference even with him.
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When Jalen Johnson quit Duke I told a friend of mine that Baldwin would be going to UWM and season tickets front and center would be easy to get ahead of the announcement. My friend (not a UWM alum) got season tickets with his dad a couple of months ago.
I'd imagine there will be a decent amount of people who will buy season tickets just because of this. People haven't been able to attend athletic events for a year. You get to watch a future lottery pick for cheap in a fairly empty arena. I'd go to some UWM games if I don't have anything going on next season.
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I have to assume you meant to include “and stayed in Milwaukee.”
I had a glimmer of hope he’d come to MU, but I assume the only way he was staying in Milwaukee was at a school his dad was the head coach.
Correct
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Let's see before PBJ?
2021, Michael Foster
2020, Jalen Johnson
2019, Xzavier Jones
2018, Tyler Herro
2017, Terrence Lewis
2016, Kostas Antetokounmpo
2015, Diamond Stone
2014, Kevon Looney
I meant "and stayed in Milwaukee"
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It will be, even less so than McCallum. His dad actually had a decent team the year before he got there, and then he stayed 2-3 years. And it still didn't elevate the program (and frankly hurt McCallum's draft stock).
UWM isn't going to bring in any good transfers from this. Any future recruits wouldn't play with PBJ anyways. And UWM may not even be projected to be top 3 in the conference even with him.
McCallum did better at UDM than I realized. Four seasons with winning records and two post season appearances (NCAA tourney at NIT). They had been a dumpster fire the previous few years as Perry Watson mailed it in his last few years.
Trey Zeiglar is the guy who really comes to mind for me. He followed his dad to a mediocre mid major and while he was the star but it didn't translate to wins and dad was fired.
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Let's see before PBJ?
2021, Michael Foster
2020, Jalen Johnson
2019, Xzavier Jones
2018, Tyler Herro
2017, Terrence Lewis
2016, Kostas Antetokounmpo
2015, Diamond Stone
2014, Kevon Looney
Ha! this is exactly what I was thinking. When was the last time it actually happened?
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All 3500 people at the MECCA will love this
I think you added another zero by mistake.
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McCallum did better at UDM than I realized. Four seasons with winning records and two post season appearances (NCAA tourney at NIT). They had been a dumpster fire the previous few years as Perry Watson mailed it in his last few years.
Trey Zeiglar is the guy who really comes to mind for me. He followed his dad to a mediocre mid major and while he was the star but it didn't translate to wins and dad was fired.
Yeah, thats honestly the path I see at UWM. Zeigler only played 2 years and they weren't good and his dad got fired and he transferred.
UWM probably finishes 4th, at best, behind a Wright St team that returns everyone, a pretty good Northern Kentucky team that returns basically everyone, and then Oakland who returns everyone and adds Cain or Cleveland St. UWM loses 2 of their 3 leading scorers, their leading rebounder, their leading assist man. Teams are gonna double team PBJ, put a good defender on Gholston, and let the rest happen.
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Happy for The Baldwin Family.
They can enjoy a year together and then celebrate on draft day.
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Happy for The Baldwin Family.
They can enjoy a year together and then celebrate on draft day.
that's the plan. Hopefully for the kid and family it will happen.
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that's the plan. Hopefully for the kid and family it will happen.
Unless he has a catastrophic injury, he will be a multimillionaire in like 14 months even if he severely underperforms at UWM.
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Unless he has a catastrophic injury, he will be a multimillionaire in like 14 months even if he severely underperforms at UWM.
I'd say even with injury he'll be a multi millionaire. If Nerlens Noel still got drafted injury don't matter.
Barring him being a disaster like cliff Alexander was at Kansas he'll be a multi millionaire.
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Happy for The Baldwin Family.
They can enjoy a year together and then celebrate on draft day.
This is the thing... If you're going to be a one and done, why not play for your dad? What a great opportunity!
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This is the thing... If you're going to be a one and done, why not play for your dad? What a great opportunity!
UWM is a pretty depressing program right now. The MECCA is a morgue. A fun scenario (that will never happen) would be playing next season at the Klotsche Center where they could pack the place and create an environment worthy of PBJ.
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UWM is a pretty depressing program right now. The MECCA is a morgue. A fun scenario (that will never happen) would be playing next season at the Klotsche Center where they could pack the place and create an environment worthy of PBJ.
That is absolutely what they should do.
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UWM is a pretty depressing program right now. The MECCA is a morgue. A fun scenario (that will never happen) would be playing next season at the Klotsche Center where they could pack the place and create an environment worthy of PBJ.
Fan enthusiasm for the program doesn’t follow the venue, it follows the team success. If young Baldwin stands out as he should, there’ll be much more interest and enthusiasm around the program and the old Arena will no longer be a morgue.
They tried moving back to the Klotsche a few years back under the former tOSU AD, and it was a bad move the school regretted. That’s a glorified high school gym.
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UWM is a pretty depressing program right now. The MECCA is a morgue. A fun scenario (that will never happen) would be playing next season at the Klotsche Center where they could pack the place and create an environment worthy of PBJ.
Kloche would be the smallest arena in the conference. Oakland and Robert Morris currently have the smallest at 4K, but both are far superior facilities. Put 5k into the Arena and it will be a good place to play.
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Pass. Does nothing for us.
sometimes you do what the people want. Play UWM. Kick their a..
Playing the likes of Ark Pine Bluff etc is garbage. That’s a hard pass.
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sometimes you do what the people want. Play UWM. Kick their a..
Playing the likes of Ark Pine Bluff etc is garbage. That’s a hard pass.
Nobody is clamoring for this aside from the 57 UWM basketball fans and a few bored sports radio guys in Milwaukee looking to stoke drama. It’s not some grand historic rivalry that the casual basketball fan in Milwaukee is craving. PBJ makes UWM interesting for a year, but schedules aren’t formed 4-5 months out.
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UWM is a pretty depressing program right now. The MECCA is a morgue. A fun scenario (that will never happen) would be playing next season at the Klotsche Center where they could pack the place and create an environment worthy of PBJ.
Wojo's buyout was almost double the cost of building the Klotsche Dump.
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Nobody is clamoring for this aside from the 57 UWM basketball fans and a few bored sports radio guys in Milwaukee looking to stoke drama. It’s not some grand historic rivalry that the casual basketball fan in Milwaukee is craving. PBJ makes UWM interesting for a year, but schedules aren’t formed 4-5 months out.
UWM is a far more interesting than playing Ark Pine Bluff and the like. Then again, any Horizon team would be better than just about any SWAC... but even more so for long time WI and Milwaukee residents.
It's no UCLA... but for a buy game, it's a smidge more interesting. Plus you may draw a few UWM fans (all 12 of them) who may want to see their team in the Fiserv.
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Wojo's buyout was almost double the cost of building the Klotsche Dump.
I know. I went to a few games there during the Bo / Bruce era. It's nothing special. But IMO, they'd get much better student turnout for this once in a generation talent and create a real buzz. Maybe play 3-5 games at the MECCA later in the season. I get that this is all impossible bc of their contracts etc. I just feel bad for the kid that he's going to be stuck in front of a few thousand fans in a has been arena.
Also, as a 28 year STHer...play UWM, play UWGB. Make them sign 3 for 1's. It's 5x more enjoyable for STHers than ARK-PB or Savannah State.
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My recollection is that UWM wouldn't take a straight buy game from Marquette. Or they wanted Marquette to pay them what anyone else would pay them, even though they don't have to travel to play the game.
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Even if they could figure out the scheduling in a way that benefits both schools, playing against UWM is a no-win scenario for Marquette. If MU wins, even in a blowout, nobody cares since UWM is a middle-of-the-pack Horizon team. If MU loses, it draws a bunch of negative attention, even though it would only drop the all-time MU win percentage to 97.5%. It's the same as playing a SWAC school, but the attention on a loss would be amplified 100x. All risk, no reward.
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Even if they could figure out the scheduling in a way that benefits both schools, playing against UWM is a no-win scenario for Marquette. If MU wins, even in a blowout, nobody cares since UWM is a middle-of-the-pack Horizon team. If MU loses, it draws a bunch of negative attention, even though it would only drop the all-time MU win percentage to 97.5%. It's the same as playing a SWAC school, but the attention on a loss would be amplified 100x. All risk, no reward.
Wisconsin lost to UWM in 2015.
That season they went to S16, the next season they went to the S16.
Losing to UWM is not the end of the world.
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Wisconsin lost to UWM in 2015.
That season they went to S16, the next season they went to the S16.
Losing to UWM is not the end of the world.
Isn't it the second or third longest single team win streak in the country?
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Isn't it the second or third longest single team win streak in the country?
It's the longest streak without defeat. I believe Syracuse has a longer winning streak over a single opponent, but it's to an opponent they lost to, maybe back in the 1930s.
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I'm not "clamoring" for a game vs. UWM, and certainly not begging for a resumption of the series. But with a future lottery pick there, I wouldn't mind one iota if we got them into to the FF in November or December. It would be fun, and, as others have said, much better than most alternatives.
In the very unlikely event that we lose, it would even be a little "fun" to see the fainting couch that Scoop will become.
I mean, we were doomed after we lost to UWGB in 2012, weren't we?
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Wisconsin lost to UWM in 2015.
That season they went to S16, the next season they went to the S16.
Losing to UWM is not the end of the world.
I never said it was. Your "counterpoint" is regarding team performance after a loss to UWM. I agree that losing to UWM would have no bearing on the performance of the team going forward.
What I said is that playing against UWM is a no-win scenario for Marquette. Strictly talking about the optics. MU wins: it's no better than beating any other buy-game opponent. MU loses: all the Badger fans and UW-extension alums have a field day bashing MU. I'd rather play just about any other mid- or low-major opponent.
Marquette can only schedule 31 games. After subtracting Big East, early season tournament, Wisconsin, a high-major home-home, Big 12/Gavitt, etc., there are only a few games left to work with. I don't see the point in spending one on UWM, when playing against Grambling or Oakland or Vermont or literally hundreds of other schools are better options. If we're going to play against a Kenpom 200+ team, at least pick one where the embarrassment of a loss wouldn't be rubbed in our faces for more than a few days.
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It's the longest streak without defeat. I believe Syracuse has a longer winning streak over a single opponent, but it's to an opponent they lost to, maybe back in the 1930s.
Yep, Syracuse has 54 straight over Colgate. Colgate has actually beaten Syracuse 45 times. From 1902-1962 the record between the two was 73-45 in favor of Syracuse. When the current winning streak started, Cuse was coming off 4 consecutive losses to Colgate.
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My recollection is that UWM wouldn't take a straight buy game from Marquette. Or they wanted Marquette to pay them what anyone else would pay them, even though they don't have to travel to play the game.
Pearl pulled that stuff on MU demanding a return game, after going on the radio and saying he'd do a buy game with MU. But we all know Pearl is a snake oil salesman.
That said, play UWM. As others have said, it's better than playing Grambline or UAPB or some other 300+ RPI team, and there would be some buzz in the city.
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Pearl pulled that stuff on MU demanding a return game, after going on the radio and saying he'd do a buy game with MU. But we all know Pearl is a snake oil salesman.
That said, play UWM. As others have said, it's better than playing Grambline or UAPB or some other 300+ RPI team, and there would be some buzz in the city.
RPI means very little anymore. I also remember basically zero buzz for the MU vs. UWM game when I was in school.
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I have good friends that went to UWM. There's some buzz amongst us when there's a UWM-MU game.
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RPI means very little anymore. I also remember basically zero buzz for the MU vs. UWM game when I was in school.
The first one had some buzz. Then MU blew their doors off. I think there was a little drama after due to Crean going for 100 and he had a bit of an exchange with either a fan or UWM employee.
If UWM wants a return game, I’d probably guess this won’t go anywhere. Although, the program survived losing at UWGB. With expanded conference schedules, I think road games will be reserved for Gavitt or Big 12 types of crossovers and UW.
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The petty side of me loved when TC ran it up on them.
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The petty side of me loved when TC ran it up on them.
I think there was some incentive for not practicing the next day. I think it was if they took a certain amount of charges, but the bench went nuts in the closing minutes up like 30.
My memory is pretty fuzzy but I thought the exchange was with Bud Haidet who was athletic director at the time and said something along the lines of “You wanted it, you got it.”
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RPI means very little anymore. I also remember basically zero buzz for the MU vs. UWM game when I was in school.
You don't think there'd be any buzz for a game that includes one of the best freshmen in the country vs the city's dominant team (and a traditional "name" school) with its new big-name coach?
I don't think it would lead Sportscenter or anything, but I'd have to think there would be at least a little buzz if we played the Fightin' Baldwins this coming season.
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You don't think there'd be any buzz for a game that includes one of the best freshmen in the country vs the city's dominant team (and a traditional "name" school) with its new big-name coach?
I don't think it would lead Sportscenter or anything, but I'd have to think there would be at least a little buzz if we played the Fightin' Baldwins this coming season.
The fear of playing UWM from Marquette alum and fans is bewildering
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The fear of playing UWM from Marquette alum and fans is bewildering
I'm not afraid. I just don't see the point.
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You don't think there'd be any buzz for a game that includes one of the best freshmen in the country vs the city's dominant team (and a traditional "name" school) with its new big-name coach?
I don't think it would lead Sportscenter or anything, but I'd have to think there would be at least a little buzz if we played the Fightin' Baldwins this coming season.
Again, there is no way it would be a one off game. Scheduling a series to play one game when UWM is relevant for a minute and then sacrificing scheduling spots later on is dumb.
And no, there would be no buzz post PBJ. They haven’t averaged more than 2500 fans in 5+ years. There isn’t buzz around Louisville when UL plays Bellarmine. There isn’t buzz when Georgia Tech plays Kennesaw St. This idea that a UWM-MU series is lacking or desired by more than 2-3000 people is silly. If Marquette beat a bad UWM team by 30 when PBJ scores 25, the anticipation for next years matchup when he’s in the NBA would be no different than IUPUI
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Pearl pulled that stuff on MU demanding a return game, after going on the radio and saying he'd do a buy game with MU. But we all know Pearl is a snake oil salesman.
That said, play UWM. As others have said, it's better than playing Grambling or UAPB or some other 300+ RPI team, and there would be some buzz in the city.
This. It's way more interesting than Grambling or UAPB and UWM's RPI or BPI or whatever will at least be higher to boot.
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Again, there is no way it would be a one off game. Scheduling a series to play one game when UWM is relevant for a minute and then sacrificing scheduling spots later on is dumb.
And no, there would be no buzz post PBJ. They haven’t averaged more than 2500 fans in 5+ years. There isn’t buzz around Louisville when UL plays Bellarmine. There isn’t buzz when Georgia Tech plays Kennesaw St. This idea that a UWM-MU series is lacking or desired by more than 2-3000 people is silly. If Marquette beat a bad UWM team by 30 when PBJ scores 25, the anticipation for next years matchup when he’s in the NBA would be no different than IUPUI
Wags, where do live / work? What’s your STH situation?
Being a MKE resident and someone who works downtown and has had tickets for 28 years, its my experience the “water cooler” talk for a MU / UWM is significantly higher for. UWM game vs a typical buy.
I wouldn’t ruin our scheduling formula for them but I would consider a 3:1.
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Buy games are all about what makes financial sense for the program. If we aren't scheduling UWM, it's because something about that doesn't make financial sense. If that changes, we would play UWM again.
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Buy games are all about what makes financial sense for the program. If we aren't scheduling UWM, it's because something about that doesn't make financial sense. If that changes, we would play UWM again.
Yeah giving them a home game likely doesn't make much financial sense.
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RPI means very little anymore. I also remember basically zero buzz for the MU vs. UWM game when I was in school.
probably more buzz now w/UWM’s 5⭐️
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This. It's way more interesting than Grambling or UAPB and UWM's RPI or BPI or whatever will at least be higher to boot.
and while I'd refuse to give them a home game if they did demand one it would be a quasi home game for us with a nice nostalgia factor with us playing at the Arena.
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Wags, where do live / work? What’s your STH situation?
Being a MKE resident and someone who works downtown and has had tickets for 28 years, its my experience the “water cooler” talk for a MU / UWM is significantly higher for. UWM game vs a typical buy.
I wouldn’t ruin our scheduling formula for them but I would consider a 3:1.
Both in the greater Milwaukee area. Not sure why STH situations matter but Ive always been, in some form, for the last 30+ years since I was a little kid.
I don't work with any UWM grads, so maybe thats the difference, but I can't remember any banter about it other than the early 2000s when they were good under Pearl and kids I went to HS with were students there. Maybe "significantly higher" means "I saw Marquette is playing UWM tonight" as opposed to "oh, there is an MU game tonight, who are they playing?"
and while I'd refuse to give them a home game if they did demand one it would be a quasi home game for us with a nice nostalgia factor with us playing at the Arena.
Id bet the feelings on that, from people who are used to watching games at The Fiserv, and the BC before, are less than 10-15%. Its not the 70s, there's a 3pt line and amazing video screens in MU's home arena. Watching a game at the Arena is like the fond nostalgia memories you have when you park your nice new car at the airport going on a trip and pick up a Nissan Versa at Hertz at your destination and remember your first car as a 16 year old as you barely hit 70 on the highway and other cars fly by.
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Both in the greater Milwaukee area. Not sure why STH situations matter but Ive always been, in some form, for the last 30+ years since I was a little kid.
I don't work with any UWM grads, so maybe thats the difference, but I can't remember any banter about it other than the early 2000s when they were good under Pearl and kids I went to HS with were students there. Maybe "significantly higher" means "I saw Marquette is playing UWM tonight" as opposed to "oh, there is an MU game tonight, who are they playing?"
Id bet the feelings on that, from people who are used to watching games at The Fiserv, and the BC before, are less than 10-15%. Its not the 70s, there's a 3pt line and amazing video screens in MU's home arena, watching a game at the Arena is like the fond nostalgia memories you have when you park your nice new car at the airport going on a trip and pick up a Nissan Versa at Hertz at your destination and remember your first car as a 16 year old as you barely hit 70 on the highway and other cars fly by.
you drinking merlot or chardonnay?
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Again, there is no way it would be a one off game. Scheduling a series to play one game when UWM is relevant for a minute and then sacrificing scheduling spots later on is dumb.
And no, there would be no buzz post PBJ. They haven’t averaged more than 2500 fans in 5+ years. There isn’t buzz around Louisville when UL plays Bellarmine. There isn’t buzz when Georgia Tech plays Kennesaw St. This idea that a UWM-MU series is lacking or desired by more than 2-3000 people is silly. If Marquette beat a bad UWM team by 30 when PBJ scores 25, the anticipation for next years matchup when he’s in the NBA would be no different than IUPUI
OK.
I never talked about any series. I was just responding to a post that said there would be no buzz if we played them this coming season.
Again, I think there’d have to be at least a little.
Beyond next season, I don’t know and I don’t care.
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I believe UWM is headed down to Florida to play the Gators in November.
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Milwaukee Business Journal reporting a big demand in increase for UWM season tickets. They might hit triple digits.
Seriously though:
• The phone started ringing about 10 seconds after Patrick Baldwin Jr. announced his commitment to play basketball at UW-Milwaukee next year.
• Within 24 hours of the news, UW-Milwaukee’s athletic department sold more than 200 new season ticket memberships, generating more than $40,000 in revenue, said Martinez. At one point, he thought the ticket website had crashed because of the sudden influx of online traffic. As of Monday morning, new season memberships totaled 350 and $63,000 in revenue.
• Based on initial interest, UW-Milwaukee anticipates a 70% increase in 2021-22 season ticket sales compared to the 2019-20 season, which saw a total of 485 members, according to Adam Schemm, senior associate athletic director for external relations.
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Stupid comment. 41-0. Enough said. And it’s financially stupid.
The fear of playing UWM from Marquette alum and fans is bewildering
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Stupid comment. 41-0. Enough said. And it’s financially stupid.
41-0, yet a lot of excuses not to play them. I agree a home and home is ridiculous.
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Milwaukee Business Journal reporting a big demand in increase for UWM season tickets. They might hit triple digits.
Seriously though:
• The phone started ringing about 10 seconds after Patrick Baldwin Jr. announced his commitment to play basketball at UW-Milwaukee next year.
• Within 24 hours of the news, UW-Milwaukee’s athletic department sold more than 200 new season ticket memberships, generating more than $40,000 in revenue, said Martinez. At one point, he thought the ticket website had crashed because of the sudden influx of online traffic. As of Monday morning, new season memberships totaled 350 and $63,000 in revenue.
• Based on initial interest, UW-Milwaukee anticipates a 70% increase in 2021-22 season ticket sales compared to the 2019-20 season, which saw a total of 485 members, according to Adam Schemm, senior associate athletic director for external relations.
Good for them but those numbers are baffling and speak to the program’s struggles. Less than 500 season ticket holders for a school with D1 basketball in a significant city that graduates roughly 50K alumni each decade, the majority of whom are locals
41-0, yet a lot of excuses not to play them. I agree a home and home is ridiculous.
Cause eventually you’ll have to give up a home game. To play a bad team in a crap gym in front of mostly your own fans, yet you don’t get the revenue. That’s not worth it, even for a 3 v 1. If they were fine always playing at the Fiserv, then sure
And “good for basketball in the city” that supposedly would have so much buzz…for a program with less than 500 season ticket holders. There was probably the same amount of alumni buzz and attendance when Marquette played St Norbert
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Milwaukee Business Journal reporting a big demand in increase for UWM season tickets. They might hit triple digits.
Seriously though:
• The phone started ringing about 10 seconds after Patrick Baldwin Jr. announced his commitment to play basketball at UW-Milwaukee next year.
• Within 24 hours of the news, UW-Milwaukee’s athletic department sold more than 200 new season ticket memberships, generating more than $40,000 in revenue, said Martinez. At one point, he thought the ticket website had crashed because of the sudden influx of online traffic. As of Monday morning, new season memberships totaled 350 and $63,000 in revenue.
• Based on initial interest, UW-Milwaukee anticipates a 70% increase in 2021-22 season ticket sales compared to the 2019-20 season, which saw a total of 485 members, according to Adam Schemm, senior associate athletic director for external relations.
Exhibit #1 why NIL deals are much more fair than the current system.
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My opinion on playing UWM is the same today as it always has been. If the Marquette AD thinks it makes financial sense to play the game AND the Marquette coach sees no competitive disadvantage to playing the game, then play. If either has a legitimate reason for not playing, then don't.
If MU has averaged 5 "buy games" a season, that means in the last 40+ years, I've seen well over 200 of these dogs. They all look alike.
And it kind of begs the question. If UWM can't draw more than 900 of its own "fans" to the Arena for a Saturday night Horizon League game, why would anyone expect Marquette to put 17,000 people in Fiserv Forumn to watch that same UWM team???
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My opinion on playing UWM is the same today as it always has been. If the Marquette AD thinks it makes financial sense to play the game AND the Marquette coach sees no competitive disadvantage to playing the game, then play. If either has a legitimate reason for not playing, then don't.
If MU has averaged 5 "buy games" a season, that means in the last 40+ years, I've seen well over 200 of these dogs. They all look alike.
And it kind of begs the question. If UWM can't draw more than 900 of its own "fans" to the Arena for a Saturday night Horizon League game, why would anyone expect Marquette to put 17,000 people in Fiserv Forumn to watch that same UWM team???
I'm not sure why people are so upset that some MU fans would want to see one of our buy games be against a team with a potential lottery pick. Will it sell out? No... Maybe draw a few thousand extra fans? Yeah, probably. That's better than University of Random Small Town that one usually plays as a buy game. No one is saying do a home and home. So what's the down side? Potentially losing? That's a piss poor reason.
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I'm not sure why people are so upset that some MU fans would want to see one of our buy games be against a team with a potential lottery pick. Will it sell out? No... Maybe draw a few thousand extra fans? Yeah, probably. That's better than University of Random Small Town that one usually plays as a buy game. No one is saying do a home and home. So what's the down side? Potentially losing? That's a piss poor reason.
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Didn't the Horizon have a rule in place for OOC games with high majors where it had to be a 2 for 1?
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Didn't the Horizon have a rule in place for OOC games with high majors where it had to be a 2 for 1?
I don't think so. I believe UWM's last deal with Badgers was 4 for 1 or 5 for 1.
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I don't think its a hard and fast rule, but I do believe the Horizon League frowns on their members taking buy games. And they aren't the only conference to do so. That is usually why MU has to search out games from the likes of the SWAC.
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For as long as I can remember MU has been touting the 16 game home model. In that time we've joined the Big East and gotten a much bigger share ESPN deal, then we joined the NBE and got an even bigger NBE deal, then we moved to the Fiserv where home games are not as lucrative bc of the higher rent.
My point is there is more than one way to balance a budget. Playing UWM at the MECCA every 3rd year should not upend our financial situation.
Here's an idea:
Play UWM at the Mecca...
Send me my season ticket package. Allow me to check a box for tickets at UWM for $30 /per. Give UWM $20 per ticket (their best regular ticket cost $21). I would guess a good percentage of MU STHers would do this and it would be a win-win for MU & UWM.
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For as long as I can remember MU has been touting the 16 game home model. In that time we've joined the Big East and gotten a much bigger share ESPN deal, then we joined the NBE and got an even bigger NBE deal, then we moved to the Fiserv where home games are not as lucrative bc of the higher rent.
My point is there is more than one way to balance a budget. Playing UWM at the MECCA every 3rd year should not upend our financial situation.
Here's an idea:
Play UWM at the Mecca...
Send me my season ticket package. Allow me to check a box for tickets at UWM for $30 /per. Give UWM $20 per ticket (their best regular ticket cost $21). I would guess a good percentage of MU STHers would do this and it would be a win-win for MU & UWM.
Based on how UWM handled tickets the last time, I’m not sure they would give MU a sweet way to build it into their season ticket package.
While home games may not be as lucrative, I have to imagine the finances still promote that. With the added road game in the BE season, it seems like we are reserving road games for marquee matchups or neutral court events.
Not saying it can’t happen, but I don’t know that a road game with UWM is really in the cards.
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I get the idea of playing UWM this year. But why would we want to play them every year?
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Based on how UWM handled tickets the last time, I’m not sure they would give MU a sweet way to build it into their season ticket package.
While home games may not be as lucrative, I have to imagine the finances still promote that. With the added road game in the BE season, it seems like we are reserving road games for marquee matchups or neutral court events.
Not saying it can’t happen, but I don’t know that a road game with UWM is really in the cards.
Last time when we played them at USCell the attendance was 7120 with a pretty good UWM team, whereas we could go 15,000+ at FF. More so, UWM may get a bigger bounce to actually play one game at a top notch MKE facility with a more than few folks in the stands.
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I get the idea of playing UWM this year. But why would we want to play them every year?
Under the right circumstance I'd be fine with it. If you can get them to agree to a lower price than other buy opponents because they are crossing the street instead of crossing the country, go for it. Lower expense, likely higher home game revenue because you will get some of their fans to come as well. If you can get a bigger draw than your typical MEAC/SWAC school at a lower price, that makes sense.
But if they want home games or the same contract size as we'd give to teams that actually have to travel and pay for hotels and airfare, forget it. They might be nice to have, but aren't need to have.
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I have always felt that MU would benefit from scheduling games of local interest. I would say that my thoughts on this matter. have evolved based on various posters comments over the years as well.
My original thought was we should be scheduling games of what I called local interest, which was defined as UWM, UWGB and Loyola Chicago ( this was when Loyola sucked). My point was that MU would attract a few thousand additional fans to the game, as well as having more of its own season ticket holders show up.
Some people pointed out that there was a RPI hit. My response was schedule these games instead of Chicago State, Grambling etc. However, now there is no RPI and instead the NET, which in part gives credit for high efficiency games. So in theory these games would be blow outs.
The notion of doing 3 for 1 etc was a good one economically. I went to UWGB MU game in 2011 and there were 15,000 people there. The upper's in the BC had a lot of fans and the lower bowl was completely full. So we definitely get the bang for the buck on the 3 home games. However, that theory got blown out the window when we lost to UWGB on the road. The NET gives benefit for road wins. Doesn't matter if it is across the street. So there is some risk compensation in that case.
So bottom line, these games do have risk and MU should have the right risk reward set up. I think if we went back to some kind of Milwaukee Classic style format over the holidays, it could be interesting for the fans and profitable.
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UWGB, during that 3 and 1 stretch, had decent teams and a notable former MU player as a coach.
UWM has neither. I’m baffled as to where this idea that a team that doesn’t draw more than 1500 fans to a game would draw 5000 additional fans to the Fiserv that wouldn’t come if MU was playing North Dakota or Jackson St. Marquette fans come to see Marquette, I doubt the appetite for UWM from the MU contingent is that strong and there is no evidence that the casual MKE basketball fan has interest in UWM games, PBJ aside
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UWGB, during that 3 and 1 stretch, had decent teams and a notable former MU player as a coach.
UWM has neither. I’m baffled as to where this idea that a team that doesn’t draw more than 1500 fans to a game would draw 5000 additional fans to the Fiserv that wouldn’t come if MU was playing North Dakota or Jackson St. Marquette fans come to see Marquette, I doubt the appetite for UWM from the MU contingent is that strong and there is no evidence that the casual MKE basketball fan has interest in UWM games, PBJ aside
I have 3 neighbors on my block who went to UWM, would never go to a regular UWM game (bc they're depressing as hell) but who would go to (and have gone to) a UWM-MU game.
It's like if MU had football. Imagine their Valley Fields attendance vs Butler and Drake...now imagine how many MU fans would go see them play Wisconsin at Camp Randall.
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The notion of doing 3 for 1 etc was a good one economically. I went to UWGB MU game in 2011 and there were 15,000 people there. The upper's in the BC had a lot of fans and the lower bowl was completely full. So we definitely get the bang for the buck on the 3 home games. However, that theory got blown out the window when we lost to UWGB on the road. The NET gives benefit for road wins. Doesn't matter if it is across the street. So there is some risk compensation in that case.
I think the combination of the near-loss to Milwaukee in 2010 at the Mecca followed by the loss to Green Bay in 2012 ended any possibility of us ever giving up home games. I remember talking to Broeker at the time and it was very clear we weren't planning on giving any games back in the future.
Let's say you get an extra 2,000 visiting fans in those home games over a standard buy, which feels generous. That means getting 6,000 more fans in the three home games, but as Marquette sells far more season tickets than that (over 10,000 per year) it doesn't balance out the loss of a home game.
I would be fine with the idea of doing high-quality out-of-state two-for-ones. Set up three of them with, say, Northern Iowa, Toledo, and Valpo that are almost always in that 50-150 range. Likely get 3 wins a year, one on the road, and if you take a loss, it doesn't kill you. But you're not losing to an in-state opponent, because if you do that it will be the lead sports story on every local news show and newspaper.