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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tha Hound on April 28, 2021, 06:02:45 PM
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https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/4/28/mens-basketball-d-j-carton-to-pursue-professional-career.aspx
Welp, good luck DJ
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1387542531848683523
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To the NBA
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https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/4/28/mens-basketball-d-j-carton-to-pursue-professional-career.aspx
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Brutal. If they lose Garcia, too, they’ll be pretty mediocre at best next year. Kind of hoped to avoid another one of those years and hit the floor running but I simply don’t see it. Roster isn’t set, of course, but as it stands, woof
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Congrats to DJ. Exciting opportunity.
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I honestly wouldn't be stunned if its just Justin Lewis and Oso left.
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I really hope Morsell is coming.
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we have zero guards who r proven to be at least decent now. worst part his it seemed certain he was returning
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Oh wow
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Well, fuc*.
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The timing allows Marquette to regroup on the recruiting front. The summer will be important to develop team chemistry with so many newcomers. This is an unprecedented roster realignment.
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To the NBA
Lol. If DJ plays 1 minute in the nba next season I’d be absolutely floored. He may ultimately make it there but he’s a longgggg way away.
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Lol. If DJ plays 1 minute in the nba next season I’d be absolutely floored. He may ultimately make it there but he’s a longgggg way away.
Yeah, that's not happening. Doesn't mean he won't be making some decent cash somewhere though.
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Yeah, that's not happening. Doesn't mean he won't be making some decent cash somewhere though.
For sure. Was moreso responding to the “to the NBA” comment. Not DJs ability to make solid money playing somewhere overseas.
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Good luck DJ!
Perhaps I was too optimistic that Carton would fit in next year. Because I can't see Shaka getting a higher rater transfer in at guard, and wouldn't expect them to meld with the team immediately. We'll see.
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Lol. If DJ plays 1 minute in the nba next season I’d be absolutely floored. He may ultimately make it there but he’s a longgggg way away.
True story.
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At least Carton can actually play real NBA minutes in a couple of years time. First former MUBB guy we can say that about in a while
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He's a G-leaguer to start with a ton of upside.
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At least Carton can actually play real NBA minutes in a couple of years time. First former MUBB guy we can say that about in a while
That remains to be seen. He’s a long way from being an NBA player.
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At least Carton can actually play real NBA minutes in a couple of years time. First former MUBB guy we can say that about in a while
The athleticism is certainly there. The ball handling, shooting and defense? Yeah that's gonna take some work
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Brutal. If they lose Garcia, too, they’ll be pretty mediocre at best next year. Kind of hoped to avoid another one of those years and hit the floor running but I simply don’t see it. Roster isn’t set, of course, but as it stands, woof
Don’t tell Guru.
But I agree. This was sounding fun. And I love all the players we have added. But DJ leaving hurts.
We essentially added the same level of recruits that Wojo was getting and may be losing 2/3 of our best returning players.
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Scholarship table updated. Back to even (as of now). All scholarships accounted for:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
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Know big deel. Next man up, hey?
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It could be worse. Imagine losing DJ and Garcia to the pros and still having Wojo as the coach.
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It could be worse. Imagine losing DJ and Garcia to the pros and still having Wojo as the coach.
Any scenario of Wojo back was unbelievably depressing
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Damn. This stings.
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It could be worse. Imagine losing DJ and Garcia to the pros and still having Wojo as the coach.
Tough to argue with that
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He might be a perfect 2 way player that probably will not be drafted but becomes a free agent like Wes. Not sure at this moment he has a position, he is not a point guard and not really a 2 guard. Will learn in the G league at best.
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Damn
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This is devastating, absolutely devastating. I think I'll take a walk and recalibrate my expectations for 21-22. #This Blows.
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This is devastating, absolutely devastating. I think I'll take a walk and recalibrate my expectations for 21-22. #This blows.
Lol have a beer.
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all the excitements gone. its not fair to expect a new coach to field a tourney team in year or one or two but with there being so many transfer this year and it at one point looking like all 3 of our best were returning it felt like maybe shaka could get it going year one. just so deflating. the guard play next year yikes.. feels like "two more years" of waiting. 😵
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I like DJ and hoped he was back, but I am good with everyone leaving. Have a lot of confidence that we will be in better shape come October.
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Yep, gotta say I'm absolutely stunned by this. Of anyone, DJ was the most vocal about Shaka and seemed like he was all-in for next season. He's nowhere near NBA-ready but after Vander I've given up relying on these guys to use reason and logic in these decisions. He probably had one person tell him he was ready for the league, Steve Wojciechowski, and that's all he needed to hear.
Good luck to him. I think he will eventually make the league, but this is a bad decision on his part and a bummer for us. That said, he and Dawson were only gonna stay one more year at most, so might as well move on and let the younger guys get the reps. Will be interested to see how we pivot with this news on the transfer front.
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I like DJ and hoped he was back, but I am good with everyone leaving. Have a lot of confidence that we will be in better shape come October.
Goose, I feel like someone just drop-kicked all of us 100 yrds. I do trust Shaka but this one is beyond brutal. I know it's a visceral reaction but we desperately need some hammer replacements. Immediately.
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If the portal provides someone capable in the PNR it'll help make this sting a lot less.
I like DJ. Loved that he wanted to take the big shot. But he's not irreplaceable.
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Muggsy
Keep the faith. I really like DJ and sorry to see him go. That said, there is zero doubt in my mind Shaka will continue to get his guys.
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If the portal provides someone capable in the PNR it'll help make this sting a lot less.
I like DJ. Loved that he wanted to take the big shot. But he's not irreplaceable.
Good take. I think a lot of the reaction is based on the player we thought DJ could become under Shaka, but he may have been the same player we saw last year. Great at times, mediocre at others.
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Noo Ouch!
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Thought Shaka would coach DJ up molding him into a better ball handled and defender. The kids got a lot of talent. Perhaps he was concerned about all the new blood coming in.
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What a surprise and disappointment. They happen every year but some of these decisions are mind-boggling.
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I was told Shaka would make the pain stop
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its not fair to expect a new coach to field a tourney team in year or one or two but with there being so many transfer this year and it at one point looking like all 3 of our best were returning it felt like maybe shaka could get it going year one.
One sentence.
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Well this is a stunner! All the talk on social media about staying and just like that, he's gone.
I'm going into next season with no expectations. I don't even care if Garcia returns at this point, but I'd love to have him back.
So glad we're not stuck with a lame duck year Wojo. That would make this news really depressing.
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unnatural carnal knowledge.
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Lol. If DJ plays 1 minute in the nba next season I’d be absolutely floored. He may ultimately make it there but he’s a longgggg way away.
word
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This is devastating, absolutely devastating. I think I'll take a walk and recalibrate my expectations for 21-22. #This Blows.
Relax. Good grief.
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This is nuts
And he signs w / an agent ?? He has
ZERO chance of being drafted ... is not ready for the NBA in any way
Seems like next year will be ugly.
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This is devastating, absolutely devastating. I think I'll take a walk and recalibrate my expectations for 21-22. #This Blows.
Mine were never that high. Too young. Just got younger.
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I wonder if having to sit behind Carton played any role in Tamar Bates' decision...
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Good luck, DJ.
Good luck, Coach.
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I wonder if having to sit behind Carton played any role in Tamar Bates' decision...
Doubtful
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Muggsy
Keep the faith. I really like DJ and sorry to see him go. That said, there is zero doubt in my mind Shaka will continue to get his guys.
Agreed, surprised at all the pessimism on the board. Wojo had completely driven the program into the ground and I found myself caring less and less about the program with each passing day. Really excited to see the team Shaka puts out on the floor and the culture he establishes here. More now than ever, college basketball is about the program and not individual players.
There will be guys who can come in here and play and Shaka has a proven 12 year record of getting players. It would have been nice if Carton announced a little earlier though as it’s possible we could have been in on some other solid players earlier but it is what it is. There will be more. Long way to go.
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I wonder if having to sit behind Carton played any role in Tamar Bates' decision...
zero
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all the excitements gone. its not fair to expect a new coach to field a tourney team in year or one or two but with there being so many transfer this year and it at one point looking like all 3 of our best were returning it felt like maybe shaka could get it going year one. just so deflating. the guard play next year yikes.. feels like "two more years" of waiting. 😵
you and Mugs gotta hug. It’s ok. He wasn’t that good. You’re caught up in nice dunks. Remember Tony Miller? What if Mitchell is similar? We’re ok. Hug it out bro.
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you and Mugs gotta hug. It’s ok. He wasn’t that good. You’re caught up in nice dunks. Remember Tony Miller? What if Mitchell is similar? We’re ok. Hug it out bro.
We're a total question mark in the backcourt, especially at PG. I'm not sure hugging it out solves the problem. But if Mitchell is an immediate badass/impact player it will assuage some of my concerns. Perhaps Shaka is not done but I didn't foresee this at all. It's definitely a setback.
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College career for DJ -
Up and down performance first half of the year at OSU then quit the team. Minimal impact on the success of that team.
Nominal impact at Marquette in his sophomore year for a team that finished 9th in the BE and was not even close to an NCAA bid.
Not much of a legacy in his college career. Hope he has bigger goals for his pro career.
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There’s a few incoming freshman that are very happy. Ellis and Mitchell will have to grow up fast. Kolek is a real confident athlete that works hard. He now will become a leader. Kur, Prosper, Joplin, Kolek and a freshman. It will be interesting to say the least. Athletic team that will have to play D.
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I have no problem with any Wojo player leaving or staying. MU is a new team.
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Well, this is a blow to the program for next year. Wish DJ all the best Was glad he was at Marquette.
But next year is looking very iffy now. Unless there is a fantastic replacement waiting in the wings
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5 new starters, it is like Kentucky or Duke, we will see what type of coach Shaka is, MU may not be that good but you still can win. OK, I am forgetting Lewis, is he coming back?
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This is devastating, absolutely devastating. I think I'll take a walk and recalibrate my expectations for 21-22. #This Blows.
Cold shower, Mugs. The world will turn.
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Good take. I think a lot of the reaction is based on the player we thought DJ could become under Shaka, but he may have been the same player we saw last year. Great at times, mediocre at others.
I agree with this analysis.
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The word early on is he was at MU for one season. Why does anyone expect that to change. Guys expect to get paid quick. They live in Team USA and McDs world where all their friends are doing it.
It affects the Henry’s, Joeys, Dawsons and DJs.
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The word early on is he was at MU for one season. Why does anyone expect that to change. Guys expect to get paid quick. They live in Team USA and McDs world where all their friends are doing it.
It affects the Henry’s, Joeys, Dawsons and DJs.
Because unlike Dawson who declared awhile ago DJ was posting all this positive stuff about sticking around for another year.
In fact, didn't he even try to recruit rocket watts in the portal? I mean come on...
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Noo Ouch!
Best Wishes DJ
Looking for positives probably less turnovers with Mitchell or Whoever. Not sure if this is a positive but Probably a point guard who does not decide to turn it on more until near the end of games. Any word on Big 10 defensive player of the year Darryl Morsell
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It could be worse. Imagine losing DJ and Garcia to the pros and still having Wojo as the coach.
^this.
Btw. Without DJ & Dawson we drop to 120 t rank for next year
But on other note; this could help with Morsell potentially? Maryland mod was saying he wanted to play PG somewhere next year
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What do people foresee with O-Max?
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wasn't his mom also posting on social media about him staying? a surprise to be sure.
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Off seasons extend into October. Shaka has a plan.
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https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/4/28/mens-basketball-d-j-carton-to-pursue-professional-career.aspx
Welp, good luck DJ
Did he get his advice from Vander? #GoodLuck
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Didn’t we finish under .500?
Good luck to DJ.
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Off seasons extend into October. Shaka has a plan.
Yes. Long-term I think we'll be okay Lens. Maybe Shaka has auxiliary options or something up his sleeve for 21-22. I just didn't expect this it all after Carton's initial reaction to the hire.
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DJ Carton is clearly a better NBA prospect than anyone MU has had in a while. Him shooting poorly from 3 and wojo making him do everything leading to turnovers doesn't change that. He makes FT's which means he can eventually shoot in the NBA. He can actually defend at the next level unlike Hauser's, Howard, Ellenson. Him leaving makes more sense than garcia even. Just weird timing.
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How long ago do we guess Shaka knew? Enough time to make a plan?
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Wow, MU's guard play will now be horrifically bad.
And if/when Garcia leaves, the talent is worse than Wojo brought in
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Didn’t we finish under .500?
Good luck to DJ.
This! No one should be crying over losing anyone from last year. Next year may be a tough year but the future is bright.
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Didn’t we finish under .500?
Yes, but at this point we're basically 2020 Georgetown - young with some talent. Ended with the same # of wins as MU, statistically a little better.
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This! No one should be crying over losing anyone from last year. Next year may be a tough year but the future is bright.
Point well taken.
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Said it many times, he's nowhere near ready for the league. Others have noted his trouble holding on to the ball, defensive liabilities, etc. Nonetheless, he battled demons and had some very good games and some highlights for us. Good luck, DJ. Hope you do well.
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DJ who?
If he had been honest from the jump I’d wish him the best. Instead he BSed us all over social media and then pulled the rug out. I don’t wish him bad luck, mind you - I just don’t really care.
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Next year may be a tough year but the future is bright.
Here's where I'll mildly disagree. As we've all seen, you can't project a roster 2-3 years in the future. Too much turnover. At this point we'll be young with no "core" playing together in 2021-2022. That may improve the next couple years, but too difficult to predict now.
I've not given up all hope - but at this point we'll be young next year (that was really the case with or without Carton). Schools like MU (with 3-4 star players) do well by getting "old". And staying 'not young'.
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DJ who?
If he had been honest from the jump I’d wish him the best. Instead he BSed us all over social media and then pulled the rug out. I don’t wish him bad luck, mind you - I just don’t really care.
Lol. Given how many scholarships Shaka had given out prior to this announcement, my guess is DJ hadn’t “pulled the rug out” on anyone who he owed anything to. I’d be absolutely floored if this came as one bit of a surprise to Shaka. He owes nothing to the 70 year olds who apparently follow his every social media post.
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Can’t expect a lot next year. We have our usual 3 and 4 star guys - but basically all new who haven’t played together. Maybe there’s a miracle but.... who knows?
Shaka must have a plan. He acted quickly on the recruits.
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Here's where I'll mildly disagree. As we've all seen, you can't project a roster 2-3 years in the future. Too much turnover. At this point we'll be young with no "core" playing together in 2021-2022. That may improve the next couple years, but too difficult to predict now.
Shaka may not be done for 21-22 Rocky. It's true that you can't project too far out, but let's see what we've got with all these new faces. It's a young group but we could have more than you think off the bat. I expect a transition year but don't forget our grand total of NCAA tournament wins in 7 yrs under Wojo was....wait for it.....zero. I think Shaka will eventually get things back on track despite the tough news today.
I've not given up all hope - but at this point we'll be young next year (that was really the case with or without Carton). Schools like MU (with 3-4 star players) do well by getting "old". And staying 'not young'.
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What do people foresee with O-Max?
Developmental player that will get rotation minutes early and have impact as a junior and senior. Clemson fans were high on him and some on their message boards as an Aamir Simms replacement next year.
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Developmental player that will get rotation minutes early and have impact as a junior and senior. Clemson fans were high on him and some on their message boards as an Aamir Simms replacement next year.
Is he really a guard? Handles?
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Wow, MU's guard play will now be horrifically bad.
And if/when Garcia leaves, the talent is worse than Wojo brought in
Shaka Smart has a top 20 recruiting class and has signed transfers from Oklahoma and Clemson and signed the reigning A10 freshman of the year.
Also, the roster isn't finalized, and I would expect to see more changes in the coming weeks.
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Here's where I'll mildly disagree. As we've all seen, you can't project a roster 2-3 years in the future. Too much turnover. At this point we'll be young with no "core" playing together in 2021-2022. That may improve the next couple years, but too difficult to predict now.
I've not given up all hope - but at this point we'll be young next year (that was really the case with or without Carton). Schools like MU (with 3-4 star players) do well by getting "old". And staying 'not young'.
Yes so best to get as much young talent in as possible and let them grow. Even if DJ stayed this year he would have left next year so may be actually doing the team a favor long term by leaving now.
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Like many others, I'm surprised because of what DJ had been saying. And it's always a little jarring when it's a surprise like that.
DJ is a very talented player who could have really blossomed next season, with a better group of players on the roster and a better coaching staff. I was thinking he had a legit shot at being All-Big East.
Those who just dismiss him -- we sucked last season; he's just a Wojo guy; too many turnovers; whatevs -- seem to think athletes don't improve. Probably the same folks who said after Vander's sophomore year that he would never be a good college player.
I think DJ has a good chance to play in the NBA, and I wish him well. Selfishly, I wish we could have gotten another season out of him because I really wanted to see what he'd do in Shaka's system.
But yes, next man up. That's life in the big city.
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I wish him well. His athleticism is definitely NBA level and he's got confidence for the big situations. I really think that this is a good move for him. He'll play G league probably for a year or two and may even be good enough to get a 2 way contract right away. He will develop faster under professional coaching with professional facilities and training. As for where it leaves MU, I trust Shaka has a plan for this...
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As HutchWasClutch (and maybe a couple others) said in another thread, maybe we shouldn't have been so surprised by this because DJ did, after all, supposedly say a year ago that he planned to play only one more season of college hoops.
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Shaka Smart has a top 20 recruiting class and has signed transfers from Oklahoma and Clemson and signed the reigning A10 freshman of the year.
Also, the roster isn't finalized, and I would expect to see more changes in the coming weeks.
good points...and I’ll add, Wojo isn’t the coach. That’s worth something too.
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I don’t view him leaving to be pulling the rug out. I think genuinely likes Marquette and the program and probably really was excited about Shaka as a result. However, once the season ended, he likely began getting feedback about his pro prospects. He likely got positive responses over the last few weeks and changed course. And as others have said, Shaka has been extremely active in the transfer market and hasn’t slowed up, so I’m sure he and DJ had an open dialogue about it and knew this was a possibility, if not coming.
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As HutchWasClutch (and maybe a couple others) said in another thread, maybe we shouldn't have been so surprised by this because DJ did, after all, supposedly say a year ago that he planned to play only one more season of college hoops.
So what a guy “supposedly” said a year ago trumps what he actually said 2 weeks ago? Makes sense.
DJ who?
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Is he really a guard? Handles?
Simms played center for Clemson.
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Yeah, that's not happening. Doesn't mean he won't be making some decent cash somewhere though.
He'll make some money, but he is a long, long way from being NBA-ready.
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DJ who?
If he had been honest from the jump I’d wish him the best. Instead he BSed us all over social media and then pulled the rug out. I don’t wish him bad luck, mind you - I just don’t really care.
You read my mind, Lenny.
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Honestly, good riddance to anyone who thinks they’re better than they are. Wojo probably told him he was the next best thing to Wade at Marquette to get him here... Wojo suffered from an ego.
Doesn’t make either of them bad people, just makes them wrong.
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It's nice to see MU fans venting. I will just say that despite the setback I believe Shaka will get us back pretty quickly. It's time to forget about it and look at other options.
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Honestly, good riddance to anyone who thinks they’re better than they are. Wojo probably told him he was the next best thing to Wade at Marquette to get him here... Wojo suffered from an ego.
Doesn’t make either of them bad people, just makes them wrong.
Yea, screw people chasing their dream instead of entertaining you!
I’m honestly stunned by the number of people in here who clearly watch or know ZERO about the NBA that think you only leave if you’re a guaranteed first round pick and if you don’t land with a team by summer, you failed and won’t ever make it.
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Yea, screw people chasing their dream instead of entertaining you!
I’m honestly stunned by the number of people in here who clearly watch or know ZERO about the NBA that think you only leave if you’re a guaranteed first round pick and if you don’t land with a team by summer, you failed and won’t ever make it.
It's an interesting discussion and I think it's a case by case thing. Sone guys benefit more with another year of college but others may improve more through the G-League or other places.
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I’d be absolutely floored if this came as one bit of a surprise to Shaka.
I guess your absolutely floored then.
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I think everyone was surprised by this one. DJ had seemed to buy into the culture Shaka was building but sometime in the past few days decided to revert back to his original plan of NBA or bust. Best of luck to him, I think he ends up making the Association at some point and having a nice career.
It's disappointing, mostly because I was looking forward to what DJ could become with Haynes guiding his development. Guy has a rep for developing elite guards.
Ultimately, this week I think we lose in the short term but gain in the long term and lose on offense but gain in defense. Dominoes are not done falling. Next year will be rough, but I like the culture Shaka is building.
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It's an interesting discussion and I think it's a case by case thing. Sone guys benefit more with another year of college but others may improve more through the G-League or other places.
Yes indeed Muggsy....I agree. You are dead on.
Case by case basis. We learned that here with some of the guys who left this program too early. And some made it without even getting drafted at all.
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You read my mind, Lenny.
What are you talking about? How could he "honest" in a situation like this??? There is no such thing in being "honest" and of "upfront" with a coaching change and transfer portal and things and players changing and coming and going every day.
Things change every day. There were no guarantee's. Of course he is going to weigh his options and wait to the last minute to do so...there is nothing underhanded about this.
Shaka kept adding to guys at his position so he bolted! What is the problem!?
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Like many others, I'm surprised because of what DJ had been saying. And it's always a little jarring when it's a surprise like that.
DJ is a very talented player who could have really blossomed next season, with a better group of players on the roster and a better coaching staff. I was thinking he had a legit shot at being All-Big East.
Those who just dismiss him -- we sucked last season; he's just a Wojo guy; too many turnovers; whatevs -- seem to think athletes don't improve. Probably the same folks who said after Vander's sophomore year that he would never be a good college player.
I think DJ has a good chance to play in the NBA, and I wish him well. Selfishly, I wish we could have gotten another season out of him because I really wanted to see what he'd do in Shaka's system.
But yes, next man up. That's life in the big city.
LOL....don't go by what they say!!!
You believe everything you read on Instgram and twitter? He is looking out for him...not YOU! Smh...
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Yea, screw people chasing their dream instead of entertaining you!
I’m honestly stunned by the number of people in here who clearly watch or know ZERO about the NBA that think you only leave if you’re a guaranteed first round pick and if you don’t land with a team by summer, you failed and won’t ever make it.
I never said anything about being a guaranteed 1st round pick or even being with a team by summer.
Carton has growing to do, plain and simple. I think he could have benefited from another year at Marquette, particularly under a new coach who is hopefully more capable of helping him reach his potential. He should have tested the draft waters without an agent and gotten some valuable and constructive feedback.
I wish him the best but can still be glad he’s gone if he’s not fully invested. If we want to be a successful team again we need players who have bought into the program. It’s better to have him leave now.
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What are you talking about? How could he "honest" in a situation like this??? There is no such thing in being "honest" and of "upfront" with a coaching change and transfer portal and things and players changing and coming and going every day.
Things change every day. There were no guarantee's. Of course he is going to weigh his options and wait to the last minute to do so...there is nothing underhanded about this.
Shaka kept adding to guys at his position so he bolted! What is the problem!?
Highly doubt Shaka adding guys at his position had much, if anything at all, to do with his decision.
I am a little surprised he didn’t explore getting feedback while keeping the opportunity open to come back.
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So what a guy “supposedly” said a year ago trumps what he actually said 2 weeks ago? Makes sense.
DJ who?
Carton
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DJ who?
If he had been honest from the jump I’d wish him the best. Instead he BSed us all over social media and then pulled the rug out. I don’t wish him bad luck, mind you - I just don’t really care.
Shaka Smart probably told his Texas players and recruits he planned on finishing his career or at least contract at Texas.
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Big fan of DJ especially his motor and pace. Of course, I wanted to see what he would do next year at MU, guess now I’ll have to check him out in the NBA. Young man has what it takes, I think he is far better than what the system showed him as this past year.
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A lot of people are bringing up good points in this thread.
- culture building
- buying in
- roster isn’t set
- getting Shaka’s guys from the get go
This is all true but as constructed, this team will have to overachieve to be any good next year. They’re going to be looking a lot like Wojo’s first year and a lot less like Buzz’s first year.
The enthusiasm over the kids the staff have brought in is great but the brakes need to be pumped. I’m optimistic Shaka can be the guy but this first year is starting to look a lot like what I’d have expected had they hired Porter Moser
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If there was even the slightest thought in DJ’s mind that he didn’t want to be here, then it’s good he ripped off the bandaid now rather than in the Fall or middle of the season. Shaka deserves a roster of his guys, given the current transfer rules and the sad reality that a majority of the returning players simply were not good enough for Big East competition.
Wish the young man well. In all honesty, this one simply does not sting as much as others have felt to me. We watched Vander develop over three years, with a high ceiling for a potential fourth year; that one stung. We watched Joey and Sam be part of the program for several years, showing potential to help the program develop sustained success; their departure stung.
For guys like Ellenson or Carton, they were here for one year. There were constant rumors about them being one-and-done players from the beginning. Right or wrong, it just never felt like they wanted to be here. They saw Marquette as a brief intermediate to get them to the NBA. I will be interested in seeing if DJ shows his love for MU as a pro player more than Henry did. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.
A starting PG role for the team just opened up. Believe me, whether or not Shaka was surprised or not, he will find a player to give those minutes to.
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If there was even the slightest thought in DJ’s mind that he didn’t want to be here, then it’s good he ripped off the bandaid now rather than in the Fall or middle of the season. Shaka deserves a roster of his guys, given the current transfer rules and the sad reality that a majority of the returning players simply were not good enough for Big East competition.
Wish the young man well. In all honesty, this one simply does not sting as much as others have felt to me. We watched Vander develop over three years, with a high ceiling for a potential fourth year; that one stung. We watched Joey and Sam be part of the program for several years, showing potential to help the program develop sustained success; their departure stung.
For guys like Ellenson or Carton, they were here for one year. There were constant rumors about them being one-and-done players from the beginning. Right or wrong, it just never felt like they wanted to be here more than a year, if that. They saw Marquette as a brief intermediate to get them to the NBA. I will be interested in seeing if DJ shows his love for MU as a pro player more than Henry did. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.
A starting PG role for the team just opened up. Believe me, whether or not Shaka was surprised or not, he will find a player to give those minutes to.
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DJ was an exciting player with highlight reel athleticism but at the end of the day there are a lot of capable PGs in the transfer portal who when given the minutes, role, and green light Carton was given last year that can/will put up equal or better production.
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DJ was an exciting player with highlight reel athleticism but at the end of the day there are a lot of capable PGs in the transfer portal who when given the minutes, role, and green light Carton was given last year that can/will put up equal or better production.
Name some.
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I think everyone was surprised by this one. DJ had seemed to buy into the culture Shaka was building but sometime in the past few days decided to revert back to his original plan of NBA or bust. Best of luck to him, I think he ends up making the Association at some point and having a nice career.
It's disappointing, mostly because I was looking forward to what DJ could become with Haynes guiding his development. Guy has a rep for developing elite guards.
Ultimately, this week I think we lose in the short term but gain in the long term and lose on offense but gain in defense. Dominoes are not done falling. Next year will be rough, but I like the culture Shaka is building.
This is correct.
College isn’t for everyone and it is not the only way to develop for the NBA. Good for him, hope he succeeds. I am disappointed, but next man up. If one specific player is making or breaking the program, or season, you are doing something wrong. Some put way too much stock on individuals whether they be recruits or existing players. Turnover is what college basketball is and now more than ever.
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So what a guy “supposedly” said a year ago trumps what he actually said 2 weeks ago? Makes sense.
Which isn't what I said. Indeed, I said I was surprised about him leaving because of what he had been saying recently. I just added that, when thinking back to a year ago as HutchWasClutch pointed out, it does make a little more sense.
He is looking out for him...not YOU! Smh...
I said nothing different. I said that, selfishly, I'd have liked to have seen him stay, but I absolutely didn't say he should have stayed for me. Indeed, unlike many, I actually think he has a good shot at an NBA career.
Honestly, good riddance to anyone who thinks they’re better than they are. Wojo probably told him he was the next best thing to Wade at Marquette to get him here... Wojo suffered from an ego.
What a dopey take. So blame this on Wojo, too? Good riddance to anybody who has a dream and follows it!
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I’m not in the know enough to name names of high quality point guards in the portal, but I have to believe word is out that there’s a premiere opening at point guard with a top shelf program that is Marquette. If there’s a guy Shaka thinks fits, you know there will be a phone call made. In addition, I wonder if Carton leaving doesn’t make a decision for Garcia as more likely to stay. Seems as if Dawson might get more focus within the offense, which only helps his pro aspirations one short year from now.
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Shaka Smart probably told his Texas players and recruits he planned on finishing his career or at least contract at Texas.
Two weeks before signed with Marquette? Probably not.
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tOSU did pretty well without the dude and so will Shaka. Truth is I didn't think he was all that anyway. So no biggie, adios and next man up, hey?
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Two weeks before signed with Marquette? Probably not.
Oh, I bet it was pretty close
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The same people who feign outrage anytime someone speaks badly about two brothers who quit the Marquette program for other college basketball programs are now asking "DJ who?" about a kid deciding to make money playing rather than entertaining us for free.
Ironic. But very predictable.
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We're all Monday morning quarterbacks coming from the perspective that we wanted a good DJ Carton on our team next year. To a person, this board is full of disappointment and angst over the decision.
Give the guy credit for dreaming. We don't know what was said to him, what some true experts think or what's in DJ's heart. If the guy is a 4.0 student and he liked Shaka, then I don't get it. But, if DJ went to college as a jumping off point for the Show, then, go get 'em DJ. Best of luck to you. The Quad Cities needs a hero!
Many of us debated Henry Ellenson's departure, which I thought at the time was a huge mistake. Those of you who criticized me suggested the money was significant enough that Henry needed to jump. After that debate, I mostly gave up trying to play God in a field where my emotions often overtake my sensibility and I really don't know about the ins-and-outs of talent development nor do I have a full packet of data on which to evaluate a move.
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Guess I'm in the minority as this doesn't really surprise me. There was always the rumor that if he didn't get a waiver to play in the 20-21 season, he would have declared right away, way too much reading of the social media tea leaves the last few weeks.
Agree with those that think he's not ready for the NBA yet, but I've also seen the improvements in the development process in the G-League since Vander. If you know you're going to develop for a year, why not get paid?
Also find it hilarious watching people try to blame Wojo for this. Not sure how you would ever come to that conclusion but I understand that he'll continue to be the boogeyman for anything bad with the program for the foreseeable future.
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The same people who feign outrage anytime someone speaks badly about two brothers who quit the Marquette program for other college basketball programs are now asking "DJ who?" about a kid deciding to make money playing rather than entertaining us for free.
Ironic. But very predictable.
Well, that’s different. That was Wojo’s fault. This is DJ’s fault because he posted something on social media instead of writing a letter
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I actually think this is a good move by DJ. Even if it's undrafted and straight to G-League, he's going to be working exclusively on the skills that will be required to make it in the NBA (and getting paid to do it). Wins and losses take a backseat to individual development. College ball won't give him that. If you're athletically gifted enough to even be considered for the NBA, do what it takes to get you there.
I'm also curious if this opens the door to a PG transfer, someone who hasn't even entered the portal yet, or wasn't even considering it until this "job" came up? There are starters minutes available on a potentially exciting team, and your competition is young and unproven.
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The G League is not necessarily the best venue to develop skills .
Case in Point Vander Who primarily chose the G League over Foreign . Here are Vanders career G League stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/blueva01d.html
Vander can drive it to the hoop at a very good level. Is 6-4 and will fight for boards and hustles on defense. Great attitude for winning. Offsetting this, He cannot shoot the 3 at the NBA Level and has not shown himself to be an NBA level point guard.
Vander, a g-league MVP, is now out of basketball.
Just sayin.....
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The G League is not necessarily the best venue to develop skills .
Case in Point Vander Who primarily chose the G League over Foreign . Here are Vanders career G League stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/blueva01d.html
Vander can drive it to the hoop at an elite level. Is 6-4 and will fight for boards and hustles on defense. Great attitude for winning. Offsetting this, He cannot shoot the 3 at the NBA Level and has not shown himself to be an NBA level point guard.
Vander, a g-league MVP, is now out of basketball.
Just sayin.....
Just so wrong. Vander is a very good overall player. He never developed into enough to be a 1-7 guy on an nba roster. The 8-12 guys all need a single elite skill. (EG Novak 3s) Vander never made rosters because he was never a master of a single skill.
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Different deal...Henry was a 1st rd pick, hey?
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Wishing the best for DJ. Loved his energy on the court. As TAMU said, I was the most excited to see what a year with Shaka and more specifically Haynes would do for his development.
Hoping for nothing but success for DJ. Hope he hears his name called on draft day and represents Marquette well in his professional endeavors.
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The G League is not necessarily the best venue to develop skills .
Case in Point Vander Who primarily chose the G League over Foreign . Here are Vanders career G League stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/blueva01d.html
Vander can drive it to the hoop at an elite level. Is 6-4 and will fight for boards and hustles on defense. Great attitude for winning. Offsetting this, He cannot shoot the 3 at the NBA Level and has not shown himself to be an NBA level point guard.
Vander, a g-league MVP, is now out of basketball.
Just sayin.....
Or, the G-League is the best venue to develop NBA skills, but there's no guarantee that you're going to get there.
One more year at MU wasn't going to make Vander stick in the league. It would have made us fans happy, that's it.
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Or, the G-League is the best venue to develop NBA skills, but there's no guarantee that you're going to get there.
One more year at MU wasn't going to make Vander stick in the league. It would have made us fans happy, that's it.
Vander coming back his senior year may have helped, may not have helped. We’ll never know. I have a hard time believing another year with Buzz Williams helps Vander more than it would have helped Buzz
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Vander coming back his senior year may have helped, may not have helped. We’ll never know. I have a hard time believing another year with Buzz Williams helps Vander more than it would have helped Buzz
It may have got him drafted and earned him more lifetime cash. That said, Vander was worried about academics progression and being put on the shelf by Lars as occurred with Mayo.
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For most of us four years at Marquette was a big part of our lives where we learned and grew up. It left a mark on me that I never forget. They were great years. I feel sad for kids that drop out, no matter what reason. They're missing out on a good thing.
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The G League is not necessarily the best venue to develop skills .
Case in Point Vander Who primarily chose the G League over Foreign . Here are Vanders career G League stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/blueva01d.html
Vander can drive it to the hoop at an elite level. Is 6-4 and will fight for boards and hustles on defense. Great attitude for winning. Offsetting this, He cannot shoot the 3 at the NBA Level and has not shown himself to be an NBA level point guard.
Vander, a g-league MVP, is now out of basketball.
Just sayin.....
Vander was never going to make it in the NBA. Lacked the basketball skills and it wasn't the fault of the G League. He was not elite either physically or skills-wise.
I doubt DJ makes the League, but even if he does, it is only to hold down the end of the bench.
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The G League is not necessarily the best venue to develop skills .
Case in Point Vander Who primarily chose the G League over Foreign . Here are Vanders career G League stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/blueva01d.html
Vander can drive it to the hoop at an elite level. Is 6-4 and will fight for boards and hustles on defense. Great attitude for winning. Offsetting this, He cannot shoot the 3 at the NBA Level and has not shown himself to be an NBA level point guard.
Vander, a g-league MVP, is now out of basketball.
Just sayin.....
How would this have been different had he stayed at MU?
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Vander is somewhat of a comp, but DJO is probably a better comp skill wise. Vander couldn't shoot and everyone knows it. He also couldn't survive overseas. Probably no seven year pro has ever made less money than Vander.
IF DJ can raise his shot and improve his PG skills, and stay humble, and take criticism, he could easily have more than a DJO style cup of tea in the NBA. He can definitely go and make money somewhere now if all he wants is money.
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I guess I will miss this board getting all enraged about Carton’s mother’s tweets this upcoming season.
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Name some.
Would love if we could fill in the spot with someone like daejon davis or Rasir Bolton.
Established guard with scoring and decent shooting.
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For most of us four years at Marquette was a big part of our lives where we learned and grew up. It left a mark on me that I never forget. They were great years. I feel sad for kids that drop out, no matter what reason. They're missing out on a good thing.
I don't feel bad that Ellenson has millions of dollars before turning 21, no student loans and a guaranteed lifetime scholarship.
I do feel bad Bailey is a dad in his early 20s with no college degree and no legit pro prospects.
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I guess I will miss this board getting all enraged about Carton’s mother’s tweets this upcoming season.
Funniest part is I noticed just last week she was tweeting with MU fans how exciting it will be to play with a fellow Iowa player this year and can’t wait for October already to get going.
Just odd after he’s been so involved in off season. Oh well, onto the next
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I do feel bad Bailey is a dad in his early 20s with no college degree and no legit pro prospects.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/North-Macedonia/news/670076/TFT-Skopje-signs-rookie-Brendan-Bailey-in-his-first-year-in-pro-basketball
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Yah ...
Whatever happened to Bailey?
Is he playing in the G league ? In
Portugal ? Anywhere?
Cuz THAT was a bad decision
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I am certainly in the minority here, but I was not surprised or disappointed to see DJ go. It confuses me when so many people are saying he was a high energy guy. He literally showed some good energy for maybe 5-10 minutes a game and that was it. That energy and enthusiasm should be there for the entire game. I think because he was so low energy most of the game, when he would all of a sudden decide to turn it on for a few minutes, it was more noticeable. His stats were good, but not great. He was not a consistently good three point shooter and he turned the ball over too much and was not a great passer. He is absolutely very athletic and will get better now that he can devote to basketball full time and could possibly make it to the NBA some day if he can continue to work on becoming a better basketball player. Lots of athletic players never make it to the NBA.
DJ did not appear to be a great team leader and had he stayed at Marquette another year, I think he would have been more focused on what he could do to increase his chances at the NBA, as opposed to being a leader to the younger guys on the team, which would be understandable. Just as I think having Henry Ellenson for one year made Marquette a little better team that year, it made us worse in the next couple of years, I think it would have been the same to have DJ for one more year. I am excited to see the new guys develop, guys that are obviously excited to play for Shaka and his system. I very sincerely wish DJ the best of luck and hope he is able to make it to the NBA someday and if he does, I will be cheering for him.
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Just so wrong. Vander is a very good overall player. He never developed into enough to be a 1-7 guy on an nba roster. The 8-12 guys all need a single elite skill. (EG Novak 3s) Vander never made rosters because he was never a master of a single skill.
Modified my post to reflect your comment.
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https://basketball.eurobasket.com/North-Macedonia/news/670076/TFT-Skopje-signs-rookie-Brendan-Bailey-in-his-first-year-in-pro-basketball
Has been getting weird spotty playing time only 4 games by my count. One bad one two average one good.
But I stand corrected. Not sure it was worth leaving a year early for that North Macedonian league money but I could be wrong.
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I am certainly in the minority here, but I was not surprised or disappointed to see DJ go. It confuses me when so many people are saying he was a high energy guy. He literally showed some good energy for maybe 5-10 minutes a game and that was it. That energy and enthusiasm should be there for the entire game. I think because he was so low energy most of the game, when he would all of a sudden decide to turn it on for a few minutes, it was more noticeable. His stats were good, but not great. He was not a consistently good three point shooter and he turned the ball over too much and was not a great passer. He is absolutely very athletic and will get better now that he can devote to basketball full time and could possibly make it to the NBA some day if he can continue to work on becoming a better basketball player. Lots of athletic players never make it to the NBA.
DJ did not appear to be a great team leader and had he stayed at Marquette another year, I think he would have been more focused on what he could do to increase his chances at the NBA, as opposed to being a leader to the younger guys on the team, which would be understandable. Just as I think having Henry Ellenson for one year made Marquette a little better team that year, it made us worse in the next couple of years, I think it would have been the same to have DJ for one more year. I am excited to see the new guys develop, guys that are obviously excited to play for Shaka and his system. I very sincerely wish DJ the best of luck and hope he is able to make it to the NBA someday and if he does, I will be cheering for him.
I understand your points here. I think part of the reason I and others are disappointed is that our backcourt is a real question mark now. Say what you want about DJ but he was extremely talented and capable of scoring the ball. I thought he could have a real breakout year as a Jr.
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It's quite something when the program can lose its leading scorer and half of the thread is taking a $hit on the guy and writing he wasn't good enough anyway.
Good to see we've returned to the regularly scheduled toxicity programming after a 34 day hiatus.
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More of a comment on the quality of the overall talent and coachin' inability under Coach Woj, aina?
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Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
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The narrative here is honestly pretty toxic and gross. I totally get being disappointed and wishing DJ had stayed, but come on. We were all amped when he signed, loved the flashes last year, and were all super bullish on him when he responded positively to Shaka and wrote him in as the driving force behind a positive 2021-2022 season.
Now, since he made a decision for his long term future, the revisionist history is RUSHING out. Low energy, not a leader, destined to ride the bench at the next level, blah blah. The same people would be projecting him to be a high lottery pick and excited to root for him as a pro if he stayed, MU had a good season and won a tourney game, and he left.
He didn’t leave the team mid season. He didn’t bolt in August when they’d be left without options. He didn’t slam the team or turn his back on the new coach.
The Vander comps are terrible. He was a rotation guy for 2 years and made a leap his Junior year but had a ways to go. He also was a SG that didn’t have the size or shooting to play NBA 2G. Carton is a PG who has been on the NBA radar all last year. He was in mock drafts for next years draft well before this. And contrary to what people here seem to think, college is not the best place for an NBA player to develop.
And, also, in the 8 years since Vander left MU, the G League has changed WILDLY. 2-way contracts, regular NBA signings, it’s a true developmental league instead of a minor league wasteland that occasionally produces NBA talent.
Be better people
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It's quite something when the program can lose its leading scorer and half of the thread is taking a $hit on the guy and writing he wasn't good enough anyway.
Good to see we've returned to the regularly scheduled toxicity programming after a 34 day hiatus.
Just for the record, my post saying his production is replaceable is by no means saying he wasn’t good enough. I hate that he chose to leave and was excited to see what he could do in Shaka’s system.
I was just trying to point out that his one irreplaceable skill was probably his jump out of the gym athleticism. When it comes to shooting, handling the rock, etc I believe there are a lot of guys who are as good of not better that are currently available.
One just hit the portal from Utah, Pelle Larsson is very intriguing to me. 46% from deep as a frosh?!?!?
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The narrative here is honestly pretty toxic and gross. I totally get being disappointed and wishing DJ had stayed, but come on. We were all amped when he signed, loved the flashes last year, and were all super bullish on him when he responded positively to Shaka and wrote him in as the driving force behind a positive 2021-2022 season.
Now, since he made a decision for his long term future, the revisionist history is RUSHING out. Low energy, not a leader, destined to ride the bench at the next level, blah blah. The same people would be projecting him to be a high lottery pick and excited to root for him as a pro if he stayed, MU had a good season and won a tourney game, and he left.
He didn’t leave the team mid season. He didn’t bolt in August when they’d be left without options. He didn’t slam the team or turn his back on the new coach.
The Vander comps are terrible. He was a rotation guy for 2 years and made a leap his Junior year but had a ways to go. He also was a SG that didn’t have the size or shooting to play NBA 2G. Carton is a PG who has been on the NBA radar all last year. He was in mock drafts for next years draft well before this. And contrary to what people here seem to think, college is not the best place for an NBA player to develop.
And, also, in the 8 years since Vander left MU, the G League has changed WILDLY. 2-way contracts, regular NBA signings, it’s a true developmental league instead of a minor league wasteland that occasionally produces NBA talent.
Be better people
Agree. I liked it better when we just wished players well and didn't crap on them on the way out.
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I'm disappointed DJ is leaving because he was fun to watch. But he didn't put out the whole game. He was a weak passer and sloppy ball handler. I thought Coach Smart would help elevate his game. I think he's making a big mistake by dropping out now. Is he afraid of the high level of talent coming in? If so, its good he's gone.
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There’s no sugar coating it - the team wasn’t good last year. Carton coming back improved the odds of the team making the tournament, but still likely on the outside looking in. Without Garcia and Carton, it for sure is likely to not be a tournament team. Carton also for sure wasn’t staying beyond next year (and it is also likely if there was slightest doubt he didn’t want to be here, it’s good he made his decision now rather than October or November).
It can be a good thing for the program and for DJ to not return. That’s not talking down about a player or any contributions they may have had as a player at MU. Shaka deserves a full roster of his guys, and a team fully bought into his style and system.
I am not sad about DJ’s decision. Good luck to him. I’d rather have a team full of players that want to be here and play for Shaka. And I certainly want a team that gets better over the course of a season, rather than limping towards the finish line and regressing at the end of the season.
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The narrative here is honestly pretty toxic and gross. I totally get being disappointed and wishing DJ had stayed, but come on. We were all amped when he signed, loved the flashes last year, and were all super bullish on him when he responded positively to Shaka and wrote him in as the driving force behind a positive 2021-2022 season.
Now, since he made a decision for his long term future, the revisionist history is RUSHING out. Low energy, not a leader, destined to ride the bench at the next level, blah blah. The same people would be projecting him to be a high lottery pick and excited to root for him as a pro if he stayed, MU had a good season and won a tourney game, and he left.
He didn’t leave the team mid season. He didn’t bolt in August when they’d be left without options. He didn’t slam the team or turn his back on the new coach.
The Vander comps are terrible. He was a rotation guy for 2 years and made a leap his Junior year but had a ways to go. He also was a SG that didn’t have the size or shooting to play NBA 2G. Carton is a PG who has been on the NBA radar all last year. He was in mock drafts for next years draft well before this. And contrary to what people here seem to think, college is not the best place for an NBA player to develop.
And, also, in the 8 years since Vander left MU, the G League has changed WILDLY. 2-way contracts, regular NBA signings, it’s a true developmental league instead of a minor league wasteland that occasionally produces NBA talent.
Be better people
100%
Agree. I liked it better when we just wished players well and didn't crap on them on the way out.
Generally agree, but some guys (Joey, Maymon) can pound sand. DJ never acted out and seemed like a good kid, and a well liked team mate. Good luck to him following his dreams.
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Funny that had Wojo stayed, carton and garcia likely still go pro and aidoo likely goes elsewhere.
How would Wojo’s next year talent compare to shaka’s?
Shaka must have really pissed in your Cheerios or you are in the Wojo family tree.
Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
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Funny that had Wojo stayed, carton and garcia likely still go pro and aidoo likely goes elsewhere.
How would Wojo’s next year talent compare to shaka’s?
Shaka must have really pissed in your Cheerios or you are in the Wojo family tree.
Shaka isn't the shade of coach he prefers.
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How would this have been different had he stayed at MU?
Do you think JFB and Wes end up in the same positions if they left after their junior seasons?
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Do you think JFB and Wes end up in the same positions if they left after their junior seasons?
Impossible to know, likely not due to the GLeague being wayyyy different than the DLeague.
One was for retreads desperate to get one more chance so they can get the NBA pension. The other is a legit minor league.
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Wow, MU's guard play will now be horrifically bad.
And if/when Garcia leaves, the talent is worse than Wojo brought in
Good thing Shaka, unlike your hubby, knows how to coach, hey?
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Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
It astonishes me that you are willing to continually embarrass yourself with your posts. For someone who seems to follow basketball quite closely, I am quite surprised at your lack of knowledge about the game, about coaching, about recruiting, about leadership; pretty much anything to do with college basketball.
And I am completely confident that there will be far more excitement for next years team than there was for this past years team. And I am one of the few that thinks even with such a young team, they are going to be better than last years team and will finish above 500, which sadly last years team could not do, even with two potential NBA guys on the roster.
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Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
"im not owned! im not owned!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob
That's really all I can think of whenever this guy posts. We get it man, message received, save your blood pressure for an epic I told you so if you end up being right but in the meantime... why you like this?
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It's quite something when the program can lose its leading scorer and half of the thread is taking a $hit on the guy and writing he wasn't good enough anyway.
Good to see we've returned to the regularly scheduled toxicity programming after a 34 day hiatus.
Pathetic. The kid made a choice. Wish him well and leave it at that.
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Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
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Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
Yes, very curious the guy who got fired before his best players could declare to go pro had a better "final roster" than a brand new coach going through a rebuild. Truly earth shattering stuff here
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The narrative here is honestly pretty toxic and gross. I totally get being disappointed and wishing DJ had stayed, but come on. We were all amped when he signed, loved the flashes last year, and were all super bullish on him when he responded positively to Shaka and wrote him in as the driving force behind a positive 2021-2022 season.
Now, since he made a decision for his long term future, the revisionist history is RUSHING out. Low energy, not a leader, destined to ride the bench at the next level, blah blah. The same people would be projecting him to be a high lottery pick and excited to root for him as a pro if he stayed, MU had a good season and won a tourney game, and he left.
He didn’t leave the team mid season. He didn’t bolt in August when they’d be left without options. He didn’t slam the team or turn his back on the new coach.
The Vander comps are terrible. He was a rotation guy for 2 years and made a leap his Junior year but had a ways to go. He also was a SG that didn’t have the size or shooting to play NBA 2G. Carton is a PG who has been on the NBA radar all last year. He was in mock drafts for next years draft well before this. And contrary to what people here seem to think, college is not the best place for an NBA player to develop.
And, also, in the 8 years since Vander left MU, the G League has changed WILDLY. 2-way contracts, regular NBA signings, it’s a true developmental league instead of a minor league wasteland that occasionally produces NBA talent.
Be better people
Thanks Wags. Best post on Scoop today.
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DJ who?
If he had been honest from the jump I’d wish him the best. Instead he BSed us all over social media and then pulled the rug out. I don’t wish him bad luck, mind you - I just don’t really care.
I'm w you, Lenny.
F#ck that guy. Leave angry. Leave sad. Leave Happy. Who cares.
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I am happy for DJ. He definitely has the athleticism for the NBA as a PG. Anyone that can break it down and drop the hammer on someone as a PG has the athleticism. As a PG, it had to be extremely difficulty to penetrate and dish to players who can't shoot and hit a simple 3 some (well actually most) games. I would take the bet that he will see his 1 NBA minute sooner then later. Heck, Juan Anderson is in the league. . . . and that's the last guy I thought would carry the Marquette flag into the NBA.
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Bow at the feet of two guys who insisted on it's either them or it's a future NBA first round pick, then sent a petition around the locker room about one player shooting the ball too much to every player other than the All American, and then quit the team and joined different programs, but "f*ck" the guy who handled himself with nothing but class and decided he wanted to get paid to entertain people rather than do it for free.
Good stuff.
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Agree. I liked it better when we just wished players well and didn't crap on them on the way out.
Plenty of posters here crapped all over the Hausers after Hausergate. Sorry that Carton took the express out of town. Does not appear that Shakas Sainthood that we have placed on him has been too glorious in retaining the few studs we had. Sure hope he starts latching on to some 5 stars in months ahead.
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Plenty of posters here crapped all over the Hausers after Hausergate. Sorry that Carton took the express out of town. Does not appear that Shakas Sainthood that we have placed on him has been too glorious in retaining the few studs we had. Sure hope he starts latching on to some 5 stars in months ahead.
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Yeah it took ole willie six whole weeks to start bitching. Surprised he lasted this long.
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Carton is a PG who has been on the NBA radar all last year. He was in mock drafts for next years draft well before this.
He is? I just brought up ~4 mock draft sites, I could only find him on one -- and he was the 79th player which would be undrafted.
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2022-2nd-round/
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Yea, screw people chasing their dream instead of entertaining you!
I’m honestly stunned by the number of people in here who clearly watch or know ZERO about the NBA that think you only leave if you’re a guaranteed first round pick and if you don’t land with a team by summer, you failed and won’t ever make it.
J
If you haven't noticed there are many people here who presume considerable authority on all things basketball!
As for Marquette Basketball being entertainment I would suggest that for some people it's a full time job given the frequency and intensity of posting on Scoop. Some Meat Eaters have related how some of these folks post with equal fervor on all of the other MU Hoops sites, as well.
I cannot fathom such devotion to something that is essentially frivolous and superficial. Scoop as an occasional palate cleanser makes sense. Clinging to it as if life itself depended on it suggests something different.
Looking at a Meat Summit in November. In the meantime, are you headed up this way anytime soon?
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Different deal...Henry was a 1st rd pick, hey?
Worked out pretty well, eh Doc?
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For most of us four years at Marquette was a big part of our lives where we learned and grew up. It left a mark on me that I never forget. They were great years. I feel sad for kids that drop out, no matter what reason. They're missing out on a good thing.
I am still suffering Lenny's and 'Lanche withdrawals.
Who doesn't long for those halcyon days when a man's passion for fornicating, swilling cheap beer, scarfing down chili, and watching some of the finest college basketball in the land comprised the bulk of his existence?
I mean, does a man reflect back on nights at the 'Lanche or differential equations?
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I guess I will miss this board getting all enraged about Carton’s mother’s tweets this upcoming season.
Dave
If we want outrage we can cruise the Dawgs' hoop site!
Let's meet at North 47 for a beer in May
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I think because he was so low energy most of the game
Was his nickname "Jeb?"
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Has been getting weird spotty playing time only 4 games by my count. One bad one two average one good.
But I stand corrected. Not sure it was worth leaving a year early for that North Macedonian league money but I could be wrong.
I have been to Macedonia. They have lots of wine. Though it's not very good, it's inexpensive. Certainly within the financial reach of a marginal Macedonia League rookie.
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But he didn't put out
Did he live at Cobeen?
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J
If you haven't noticed there are many people here who presume considerable authority on all things basketball!
As for Marquette Basketball being entertainment I would suggest that for some people it's a full time job given the frequency and intensity of posting on Scoop. Some Meat Eaters have related how some of these folks post with equal fervor on all of the other MU Hoops sites, as well.
I cannot fathom such devotion to something that is essentially frivolous and superficial. Scoop as an occasional palate cleanser makes sense. Clinging to it as if life itself depended on it suggests something different.
Looking at a Meat Summit in November. In the meantime, are you headed up this way anytime soon?
As you go on to respond 7 posts in a row.
ABSOLUTE GOLD
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Yeah it took ole willie six whole weeks to start bitching. Surprised he lasted this long.
Sultan you are still as screwed up as ever, even with a different monicker. There was no bitching in my post, but there is plenty of whining in ypurs above, which is so typical of your total BS.
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As you go on to respond 7 posts in a row.
ABSOLUTE GOLD
Only on this godforsaken hellhole would some clown with EIGHT THOUSAND posts say something like this directly after posting 8 times in a row
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He is? I just brought up ~4 mock draft sites, I could only find him on one -- and he was the 79th player which would be undrafted.
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2022-2nd-round/
NBADraft.Net has been pretty consistent on him for awhile
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Looking at a Meat Summit in November. In the meantime, are you headed up this way anytime soon?
Long overdue. Hoping later in the summer if things keep opening up, will let you know for sure
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I am certainly in the minority here, but I was not surprised or disappointed to see DJ go. It confuses me when so many people are saying he was a high energy guy. He literally showed some good energy for maybe 5-10 minutes a game and that was it. That energy and enthusiasm should be there for the entire game. I think because he was so low energy most of the game, when he would all of a sudden decide to turn it on for a few minutes, it was more noticeable. His stats were good, but not great. He was not a consistently good three point shooter and he turned the ball over too much and was not a great passer. He is absolutely very athletic and will get better now that he can devote to basketball full time and could possibly make it to the NBA some day if he can continue to work on becoming a better basketball player. Lots of athletic players never make it to the NBA.
DJ did not appear to be a great team leader and had he stayed at Marquette another year, I think he would have been more focused on what he could do to increase his chances at the NBA, as opposed to being a leader to the younger guys on the team, which would be understandable. Just as I think having Henry Ellenson for one year made Marquette a little better team that year, it made us worse in the next couple of years, I think it would have been the same to have DJ for one more year. I am excited to see the new guys develop, guys that are obviously excited to play for Shaka and his system. I very sincerely wish DJ the best of luck and hope he is able to make it to the NBA someday and if he does, I will be cheering for him.
My hope was that Shaka's defense would turn him loose and make him more aggressive on that end of the floor and that would translate to him going full bore all the time. Plus with some (hopefully) competent replacement PGs, we could limit his minutes a little more.
Doesn't matter now, I suppose. Definitely a downer, but how can you blame anyone for following their dreams, especially when the world they signed on to be a part of a year ago has completely changed?
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Looks like Justin went pro too, I see the Chicago Bears traded up to draft him last night.
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Looks like Justin went pro too, I see the Chicago Bears traded up to draft him last night.
***Fields***
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Looks like Justin went pro too, I see the Chicago Bears traded up to draft him last night.
Well done. Glad I am not the only one that laughs at those typos.
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I am certainly in the minority here, but I was not surprised or disappointed to see DJ go. It confuses me when so many people are saying he was a high energy guy. He literally showed some good energy for maybe 5-10 minutes a game and that was it. That energy and enthusiasm should be there for the entire game. I think because he was so low energy most of the game, when he would all of a sudden decide to turn it on for a few minutes, it was more noticeable. His stats were good, but not great. He was not a consistently good three point shooter and he turned the ball over too much and was not a great passer. He is absolutely very athletic and will get better now that he can devote to basketball full time and could possibly make it to the NBA some day if he can continue to work on becoming a better basketball player. Lots of athletic players never make it to the NBA.
DJ did not appear to be a great team leader and had he stayed at Marquette another year, I think he would have been more focused on what he could do to increase his chances at the NBA, as opposed to being a leader to the younger guys on the team, which would be understandable. Just as I think having Henry Ellenson for one year made Marquette a little better team that year, it made us worse in the next couple of years, I think it would have been the same to have DJ for one more year. I am excited to see the new guys develop, guys that are obviously excited to play for Shaka and his system. I very sincerely wish DJ the best of luck and hope he is able to make it to the NBA someday and if he does, I will be cheering for him.
Close to my thoughts as well but I was surprised that he left. Loved seeing him most of the time but thought there were too many dry spells within some games. If Shaka lands Jordan Hall he may well have upgraded the team as a whole vs. DJ returning.
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DJ didn't always attack on offense, wasn't always as assertive as he maybe could have been. But that's not the same as not working hard, not playing hard, not giving his all, etc. He got clobbered several times a game taking the ball at opposing bigs. He dove on the floor. He worked hard on defense.
Also, to the best of anybody's knowledge, DJ didn't spend half a season pouting, and he didn't have disagreements with teammates and coaches. He didn't have an attitude that helped derail a promising season, and he ultimately didn't leave the team in a huff.
So I'm not sure why anybody is giving him any grief at all.
I also don't know why some people also seem to think he had reached his ceiling. "We had a losing record with him last season, and he had too many turnovers, so we can do better." Yeah, because Jimmy, Wes, Acker, Rowsey, Vander, Jae, Sam, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, didn't improve during their second seasons at Marquette.
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Carton probably had 9 out of the top 10 highlight plays for MU last year. Outside of that, I found him painful to watch. He played half the game like he was in a trance.
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Carton probably had 9 out of the top 10 highlight plays for MU last year. Outside of that, I found him painful to watch. He played half the game like he was in a trance.
He was like many of Wojo's recruits......proficient in a few areas while deficient in many.
Only thing NBA about him is his athleticism. If you spliced Markus Howard's genes with Carton's, then you'd have a quality player that would do well in the NBA.
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He was like many of Wojo's recruits......proficient in a few areas while deficient in many.
Only thing NBA about him is his athleticism. If you spliced Markus Howard's genes with Carton's, then you'd have a quality player that would do well in the NBA.
I only understand blenders...not splicing.
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It astonishes me that you are willing to continually embarrass yourself with your posts. For someone who seems to follow basketball quite closely, I am quite surprised at your lack of knowledge about the game, about coaching, about recruiting, about leadership; pretty much anything to do with college basketball.
His posts don't have anything to do with college basketball, they are merely a device to sh!t on people that support BLM.
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I'm disappointed DJ is leaving because he was fun to watch. But he didn't put out the whole game. He was a weak passer and sloppy ball handler. I thought Coach Smart would help elevate his game. I think he's making a big mistake by dropping out now. Is he afraid of the high level of talent coming in? If so, its good he's gone.
I'm curious to hear what happened at practice that made DJ declare for the NBA. Given the fact that Wojo gave long leashes to some of his players, it's my guess that DJ didn't want to play within a system where his shots would be limited.
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I'm curious to hear what happened at practice that made DJ declare for the NBA. Given the fact that Wojo gave long leashes to some of his players, it's my guess that DJ didn't want to play within a system where his shots would be limited.
Yeah. I’m sure Shaka was pulling him out of practices since they have so many players available at the workouts right now. All 4 healthy scholarship players on campus.
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This narrative that Shaka’s plan, or work ethic required, or selfishness, or lack of motivation from DJ is the reason he’s turning pro is some of the dumbest, most reckless nonsense I’ve seen here in awhile.
Talented kid with pro aspirations, who was only rumored to be looking to spend a year in college to begin with when he signed for gods sake, declares for the draft. Not transferred to a lower level, not complaining, but making a jump up in level where effort, commitment, and work are going to be far more demanding and rigorous.
Stop with this BS that he’s leaving your beloved program cause he couldn’t cut it with higher demands or he’s some spoiled brat that only wanted an easy ride
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While the “Bitching Betty” should be the beer for the evening, I may prefer a “ The Good, the Bad, & the Froggy”
Dave
If we want outrage we can cruise the Dawgs' hoop site!
Let's meet at North 47 for a beer in May
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This narrative that Shaka’s plan, or work ethic required, or selfishness, or lack of motivation from DJ is the reason he’s turning pro is some of the dumbest, most reckless nonsense I’ve seen here in awhile.
Talented kid with pro aspirations, who was only rumored to be looking to spend a year in college to begin with when he signed for gods sake, declares for the draft. Not transferred to a lower level, not complaining, but making a jump up in level where effort, commitment, and work are going to be far more demanding and rigorous.
Stop with this BS that he’s leaving your beloved program cause he couldn’t cut it with higher demands or he’s some spoiled brat that only wanted an easy ride
Thank you.
What the hell is wrong with some people?
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Someone thinks it, then types it, therefore it is true.
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If all these folks in here can read minds as well as they think they can, what are they doing at Scoop? They should be making a killing in the stock market, figuring out how to date Supermodels and the like.....
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This narrative that Shaka’s plan, or work ethic required, or selfishness, or lack of motivation from DJ is the reason he’s turning pro is some of the dumbest, most reckless nonsense I’ve seen here in awhile.
Talented kid with pro aspirations, who was only rumored to be looking to spend a year in college to begin with when he signed for gods sake, declares for the draft. Not transferred to a lower level, not complaining, but making a jump up in level where effort, commitment, and work are going to be far more demanding and rigorous.
Stop with this BS that he’s leaving your beloved program cause he couldn’t cut it with higher demands or he’s some spoiled brat that only wanted an easy ride
I can only speak for myself but I have no problem with DJ Carton (or any other player) deciding that continuing to play at Marquette is not for them. Transfer up, transfer down, transfer laterally - all good. Play for money in the NBA, G League or Uzbekistan - all good, too.
Things not good? 1.Saying one thing (I’m all in) and doing another (See ya). 2. Scoopers loving on ex players who spokes out of both sides of their mouths before leaving and hating on others who didn’t.
Honestly, I bear no ill will towards DJ. I don’t know why he pulled a 180 on us overnight but youth is probably a fair explanation. My “DJ who?” response was nothing but a jab at the hypocrisy of some here who selectively demonize some players who leave but support others who do likewise.
With that - best of luck, DJ!
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I can only speak for myself but I have no problem with DJ Carton (or any other player) deciding that continuing to play at Marquette is not for them. Transfer up, transfer down, transfer laterally - all good. Play for money in the NBA, G League or Uzbekistan - all good, too.
Things not good? 1.Saying one thing (I’m all in) and doing another (See ya). 2. Scoopers loving on ex players who spokes out of both sides of their mouths before leaving and hating on others who didn’t.
Honestly, I bear no ill will towards DJ. I don’t know why he pulled a 180 on us overnight but youth is probably a fair explanation. My “DJ who?” response was nothing but a jab at the hypocrisy of some here who selectively demonize some players who leave but support others who do likewise.
With that - best of junk, DJ!
I hear you. My criticism was less pointed at you. Im not as bothered by the change of heart as you, but I understand your point. I don’t get and have no time for the other nonsense slander that revolves around him leaving for what amounts to a lack of character or work ethic or whatnot that is entirely unfounded
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This narrative that Shaka’s plan, or work ethic required, or selfishness, or lack of motivation from DJ is the reason he’s turning pro is some of the dumbest, most reckless nonsense I’ve seen here in awhile.
Talented kid with pro aspirations, who was only rumored to be looking to spend a year in college to begin with when he signed for gods sake, declares for the draft. Not transferred to a lower level, not complaining, but making a jump up in level where effort, commitment, and work are going to be far more demanding and rigorous.
Stop with this BS that he’s leaving your beloved program cause he couldn’t cut it with higher demands or he’s some spoiled brat that only wanted an easy ride
Perfectly said, Wags.
I don’t believe DJ is an NBA player, but have zero problem with him chasing his dream. He will still makes lots of $$$ playing ball.
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Half the players in the NBA have spent time in the G league. I think DJ will end up in that club.
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It was pretty well established he was only spending a year here. What’s all the fuss about?
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Perfectly said, Wags.
I don’t believe DJ is an NBA player, but have zero problem with him chasing his dream. He will still makes lots of $$$ playing ball.
Never know. Not many folks though Juan Anderson would be in the NBA.
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Never know. Not many folks though Juan Anderson would be in the NBA.
Anderson has game that, in the right situation, translates to the nba...good D, hits the boards, decent 12-15’ shooting. DJ has work to do. He’s not a true 1. Definitely not a 2. Hoping it works out for him. Love seeing MU represent.
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Tower ...
U think “ half “ of the NBA spent time
in the G League?? LOL ...
No.
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Tower ...
U think “ half “ of the NBA spent time
in the G League?? LOL ...
No.
Bucks have 9 players who played in the G League, lol
Bulls have 8, hehe
Nets have 8, haha
Lakers have 8, har har
Jazz have 10. ROFLMAO
NBA roster size is 17.
You’re wrong, it’s fine and don’t understand the G League. “Spending time” doesn’t mean they are undrafted and automatically go to the G League
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Statistics from the 18-19 season said 52% of NBA players had spent at least some time in the G league. Google is your friend.
https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-g-league-sets-record-for-nba-g-league-alumni-on-nba-end-of-season-rosters/
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Anderson has game that, in the right situation, translates to the nba...good D, hits the boards, decent 12-15’ shooting. DJ has work to do. He’s not a true 1. Definitely not a 2. Hoping it works out for him. Love seeing MU represent.
Well it took Juan 5-6 years of basically playing international to get there. DJ has the tools.
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Well it took Juan 5-6 years of basically playing international to get there. DJ has the tools.
What tools? Besides physical (only at PG). He does not have NBA-ready shooting, passing, ball handling, or defensive tools.
If he develops at least 2, or more likely 3 of them, he can play in the league. That’s a big if.
And, yes, I hope I am wrong. I too like to see MU players in the NBA.
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I can only speak for myself but I have no problem with DJ Carton (or any other player) deciding that continuing to play at Marquette is not for them. Transfer up, transfer down, transfer laterally - all good. Play for money in the NBA, G League or Uzbekistan - all good, too.
Things not good? 1.Saying one thing (I’m all in) and doing another (See ya). 2. Scoopers loving on ex players who spokes out of both sides of their mouths before leaving and hating on others who didn’t.
Honestly, I bear no ill will towards DJ. I don’t know why he pulled a 180 on us overnight but youth is probably a fair explanation. My “DJ who?” response was nothing but a jab at the hypocrisy of some here who selectively demonize some players who leave but support others who do likewise.
With that - best of luck, DJ!
We have Scoopers who not only defend the Hausers but LOVE them, seemingly more than they love their alma mater. And that's cool. Whatever floats everybody's boat.
But of DJ and Joey, only one pouted during a season, only one feuded with teammates, only one helped derail a promising season, only one left in a huff.
Some of the same folks who are saying nobody should criticize Joey are criticizing DJ. So yes ... hypocrisy.
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What tools? Besides physical (only at PG). He does not have NBA-ready shooting, passing, ball handling, or defensive tools.
Those last 2 are more a function of the system more than DJ. His handles are more than acceptable. He’s not Kyrie, but he’s not Markus. He just got left on an island in that system or was forced to do too much on his own. And he’s a decent defender for his position at this stage in his career. Again, he played in a broken defensive system.
Nobody is saying he’s ready to go get minutes at the NBA level tomorrow, but he’s on plenty of NBA radars for a reason. And it’s not just cause he’s athletic
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Shaka is a terrible hire.
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Shaka is a terrible hire.
Hasn't even won a game at Marquette
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What tools? Besides physical (only at PG). He does not have NBA-ready shooting, passing, ball handling, or defensive tools.
If he develops at least 2, or more likely 3 of them, he can play in the league. That’s a big if.
And, yes, I hope I am wrong. I too like to see MU players in the NBA.
The point was they're there but need to be developed. If you can't see them that's ok, last I'll say.
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We have Scoopers who not only defend the Hausers but LOVE them, seemingly more than they love their alma mater. And that's cool. Whatever floats everybody's boat.
But of DJ and Joey, only one pouted during a season, only one feuded with teammates, only one helped derail a promising season, only one left in a huff.
Some of the same folks who are saying nobody should criticize Joey are criticizing DJ. So yes ... hypocrisy.
Mike
Who here LOVES Joey Hauser at all, let alone more than they love Marquette? Nobody, of course, but I guess if it allows you to indulge yourself in your favorite fantasy (that you’re a “better fan” than others) it serves its purpose.
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Mike
Who here LOVES Joey Hauser at all, let alone more than they love Marquette? Nobody, of course, but I guess if it allows you to indulge yourself in your favorite fantasy (that you’re a “better fan” than others) it serves its purpose.
Best of luck, Joey!
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Best of luck, Joey!
Attaboy, Mike!
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It could be worse. Imagine losing DJ and Garcia to the pros and still having Wojo as the coach.
For some strange reason, just saw this. I actually did LOL.
Thank God we're done with that failure.
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Carton certainly had weaknesses, but it's folly to think there is someone Shaka will now bring in at PG who has the same potential upside.
Funny that Wojo had more talent on his final roster than Shaka will coming in.
And if Garcia leaves, too, good luck getting fans to come back and watch MU get the crap beat out of them. The talent Shaka has brought in isn't strong enough to sell people on the potential.
Case closed
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Great find.
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Case closed
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Case closed
Do you think he's ever felt the voluntary touch of a woman?
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When 4 starters transferred (Garcia, McEwen, John and Cain) and the other went “pro” (Carton), consensus here was we were f@cked. We went from a sub .500 to an NCAA tournament team.
When our two top scores left that team there was no way we would be better without them. We went 25-6, 17-3 and won the Big East outright by 2 full games.
So it goes…
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When 4 starters transferred (Garcia, McEwen, John and Cain) and the other went “pro” (Carton), consensus here was we were f@cked. We went from a sub .500 to an NCAA tournament team.
When our two top scores left that team there was no way we would be better without them. We went 25-6, 17-3 and won the Big East outright by 2 full games.
So it goes…
Should we trust Shaka and his staff or us dopes on scoop?
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Case closed
Haha—so good.
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Should we trust Shaka and his staff or us dopes on scoop?
What we should do vs what we have done and will do again.
The World According to Scoop
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What we should do vs what we have done and will do again.
The World According to Scoop
If the marketing department knew what they were doing, they’d let scoop coach a game
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Case closed
Archie Bunker said that all the time. He’d have hated Shaka, too.
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Case closed
But what about buzz? ;D ;D
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Do you think he's ever felt the voluntary touch of a woman?
Probably Bo Ryan's massage therapist
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Probably Bo Ryan's massage therapist
The scooper? Scandalous…
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Probably Bo Ryan's massage therapist
Who lasted (no) longer? Bo or Rick?
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Probably Bo Ryan's massage therapist
Present
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Present
Hehe
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Present
Ha well done