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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
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I meant to start this thread a day or two ago when India started to take off in terms of case numbers. Outside of the amount of suffering that India is currently going through, and will continue to go through the chances of several variants coming out of India is almost certain. Hopefully none of them are able to bypass the vaccine or we could be back to square one.
Additionally, what India is reporting is nowhere near the amount of actual infections. They don't have the capacity to test.
They're out of beds and oxygen...
Absolute nightmare scenario.
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And they produce a large number of vaccines in the world. Production surely must be impacted at some point.
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And they produce a large number of vaccines in the world. Production surely must be impacted at some point.
I imagine that they've prioritized vaccinating people involved in the production and supply chain.
Also, I'm quite sure the USA has a pretty large amount of ventilators, etc. that India could really use.
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India’s test numbers, or case numbers, have been bogus from the start, to the low side by far. Unless you are wealthy and will have access to a private hospital, people don’t get tested for fear of stigma. The benefit is that at least they aren’t out and about spreading, but given the population density and multi-generational households, it’s still a powder keg. From all my team and friends that I talk to there, India has been lagging during the whole pandemic timeline, no matter what has been reported, and nobody has much faith in them getting it right.
I know multiple elderly high risk people, of affluent means and connections, in India who still haven’t been vaccinated, and it’s not a matter of not wanting to.
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India’s test numbers, or case numbers, have been bogus from the start, to the low side by far. Unless you are wealthy and will have access to a private hospital, people don’t get tested for fear of stigma. The benefit is that at least they aren’t out and about spreading, but given the population density and multi-generational households, it’s still a powder keg. From all my team and friends that I talk to there, India has been lagging during the whole pandemic timeline, no matter what has been reported, and nobody has much faith in them getting it right.
I know multiple elderly high risk people, of affluent means and connections, in India who still haven’t been vaccinated, and it’s not a matter of not wanting to.
They've been exporting their vaccines, mostly. Also, the caste system is still a huge part of society. Absolutely agree that it's a huge mess.
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We should be instituting the same ban as for people flying from the EU, etc and certainly should get rid of the air bridge -I’m not sure why it was allowed in the first place.
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I have multiple zoom calls with our staff in India this week and it is really, really bad. I would say that everything is pretty much locked down. This is a very serious situation and I am afraid they cannot handle the outbreak. Our country manager found out her elderly Dad tested positive and she is awaiting word on her covid test.
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I have multiple zoom calls with our staff in India this week and it is really, really bad. I would say that everything is pretty much locked down. This is a very serious situation and I am afraid they cannot handle the outbreak.
I heard the same from my friend in Chennai.
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We should be instituting the same ban as for people flying from the EU, etc and certainly should get rid of the air bridge -I’m not sure why it was allowed in the first place.
Absolutely.
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I don’t mean to be overly disrespectful or harsh, but from dealing with the Indian government and logistics there extensively over the last 5 years, the only way to contain this is gonna have to be externally like the UAE did, stopping all flights or the like. The Indian government is absurdly bureaucratic and slow moving/adjusting. So if there are dangerous variants or caseloads that could be exported, they will be before the government could get a lock on it.
There was just a Vistara flight to HK that produced 47 cases while they quarantined in HK after landing. There is no doubt in my mind that there were forged vaccine cards or some other skirting of rules that allowed them to board in a compromised state.
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Reading reports out of India that they're out of oxygen is heartbreaking... and even more heartbreaking knowing that those in hospitals are the lucky ones. There must be thousands uncounted suffering.
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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1385792047039275012?s=19
This graph is... I dont know, I have no words. :'(
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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1385792047039275012?s=19
This graph is... I dont know, I have no words. :'(
Honestly, I bet it’s undercounted by 2-3x, which is awful in and of itself. I do think there is more natural immunity/resistance given what the average Indian is exposed to fairly often, but it’s gonna burn through that country with quickness. It’s horrible
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There’s an outbreak in a Australia traced to a couple who arrived from from India who passed it to people in adjacent rooms in a quarantine hotel.
And a number of arrivals in Canada have ended up testing positive.
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Honestly, I bet it’s undercounted by 2-3x, which is awful in and of itself. I do think there is more natural immunity/resistance given what the average Indian is exposed to fairly often, but it’s gonna burn through that country with quickness. It’s horrible
I’ve seen references that the death count is 10x reported.
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Reminds me .. a couple years ago I'm having lunch with a team of people, 6 of them from India. Somehow we got to talking about flu shots.
They looked at me funny, I was the only one to get the flu shot.
"Dude, come to India for a month. You'll be exposed to every virus known to man and will never need vaccinations again."
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I just glanced at their TripAdvisor forum -lots of posts about domestic travel going on, people saying they are going here, going there, what restrictions might they face, with the proverbial shrug of the shoulders.....
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As experts try to figure out what happened in India, these two paragraphs from the NYT are interesting:
Confident they had beaten Covid, government officials relaxed restrictions on virtually all activities, including weddings, political rallies and religious gatherings. The northern town of Haridwar held one of the world’s biggest gatherings this month, with millions of people celebrating the Hindu festival Kumbh Mela.
By mid-March, though, the virus was beginning to reassert itself. A major factor appears to be that many people who previously had mild or asymptomatic cases of Covid remained vulnerable to it. (A recent academic study, done in China, suggests that mild cases confer only limited immunity.) The emergence of contagious new variants is playing a role, too. This combination — less immunity than many people thought, new variants and a resumption of activities — seems to have led to multiple superspreader events, said Dr. Jennifer Lighter of New York University.
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Meanwhile, the authoritarian India government ordered Facebook, Instagram and Twitter to take down posts critical of its handling of the pandemic.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1386018015905468417
Does anyone know if we are sending ventilators, AZ vaccine, or any assistance their way?? And if not why not?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1386018015905468417
Does anyone know if we are sending ventilators, AZ vaccine, or any assistance their way?? And if not why not?
Heard a clip from an interview with Dr. Fauci that all of those are being discussed. Not sure if a formal decision or plan has been made.
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We have a policy of getting US citizens vaccinated first. I'm not sure we've entered the phase of assisting other countries yet. Once we enter that phase we should be helping Canada and Mexico first.
This is a humanitarian question, but also a national defense question.
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We have a policy of getting US citizens vaccinated first. I'm not sure we've entered the phase of assisting other countries yet. Once we enter that phase we should be helping Canada and Mexico first.
This is a humanitarian question, but also a national defense question.
We have stockpiled AZ vaccine we aren't using because it hasn't been approved. We have more vaccine than demand anyway. So I don't see any harm in exporting vaccine now.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1386018015905468417
Does anyone know if we are sending ventilators, AZ vaccine, or any assistance their way?? And if not why not?
I have a client who makes motors for ventilators and I noticed a large shipment due to India for those range of part numbers. I wonder if we are sending them components and they are taking care of the rest?
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About a day ago the US thankfully announced direct support to India. Sounds like today the decision was made to release AZ vaccines (35M?) -- not sure if that is exclusively for India. Could have come quicker in my opinion, but it seems the America First ethos still has a hold on policy to some extent.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/us-pledges-medical-aid-for-india-to-combat-surge-484584 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/us-pledges-medical-aid-for-india-to-combat-surge-484584)
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About a day ago the US thankfully announced direct support to India. Sounds like today the decision was made to release AZ vaccines (35M?) -- not sure if that is exclusively for India. Could have come quicker in my opinion, but it seems the America First ethos still has a hold on policy to some extent.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/us-pledges-medical-aid-for-india-to-combat-surge-484584 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/us-pledges-medical-aid-for-india-to-combat-surge-484584)
Yes, we and other nations need to do whatever we reasonably can do for India. The world is a small place.
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About a day ago the US thankfully announced direct support to India. Sounds like today the decision was made to release AZ vaccines (35M?) -- not sure if that is exclusively for India. Could have come quicker in my opinion, but it seems the America First ethos still has a hold on policy to some extent.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/us-pledges-medical-aid-for-india-to-combat-surge-484584 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/us-pledges-medical-aid-for-india-to-combat-surge-484584)
There were liability concerns around us selling vaccines to any country while they were not approved by the FDA, funny enough.
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There were liability concerns around us selling vaccines to any country while they were not approved by the FDA, funny enough.
I was thinking the other items (Vaccine supplies, vents, testing, expertise)...but yeah not surprised the vaccine approval was more challenging.
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India is a disaster right now. Many indicating the death toll could be as high as 5x what is reported. That means 1 million dead.
Which makes me wonder if we will ever know the actual real death toll world wide. So many countries didn't even try to keep count and/or deliberately hid the total numbers. I think being off by a factor of 5 or more is likely quite common in many countries outside of Europe and the US.
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India is a disaster right now. Many indicating the death toll could be as high as 5x what is reported. That means 1 million dead.
Which makes me wonder if we will ever know the actual real death toll world wide. So many countries didn't even try to keep count and/or deliberately hid the total numbers. I think being off by a factor of 5 or more is likely quite common in many countries outside of Europe and the US.
Hell, China is still trying to claim they have less than 5000 total COVID deaths. I mean come on.
But to your point, I look at a country like Bangladesh. 163MM people in a country roughly the size of Wisconsin. Insane population density, a fairly high poverty rate, and they’ve reported only 750K cases and 11K deaths. Looking at the numbers for India alone tells you that’s like WAYYY off. Similarly Pakistan, only 800K cases and 17K deaths.
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Hell, China is still trying to claim they have less than 5000 total COVID deaths. I mean come on.
But to your point, I look at a country like Bangladesh. 163MM people in a country roughly the size of Wisconsin. Insane population density, a fairly high poverty rate, and they’ve reported only 750K cases and 11K deaths. Looking at the numbers for India alone tells you that’s like WAYYY off. Similarly Pakistan, only 800K cases and 17K deaths.
The old farmer health care plan. Can't be sick if you never go to the doctor to tell you that you're sick.
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Maybe they are deliberately slowing down testing in order to keep the numbers down.
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Coworker’s entire family got it, including elderly father who had heart surgery just a couple months ago.
Family did masks, social distancing, and all other precautions.
Doing okay so far. And if anything happens no real easy way for him to get to India.