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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TallTitan34 on April 14, 2021, 06:30:10 PM
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Per his Twitter.
https://twitter.com/kolektyler/status/1382475117385646082?s=21
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Yup, here too:
https://247sports.com/Article/Tyler-Kolek-transfer-commitment-George-Mason-basketball-164158474/
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A-10 freshman of the year? LEGGOO
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First one I have to make a decision on. 4 years of eligibility still, but technically sophomore year.
I guess I'll put him down as a soph...
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He’s a traditional transfer, right? Edit: never mind. Thanks Rocky.
What a bonanza these two days have been. Very excited about all these young men!!
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Advanced stats look solid. Like the pickup quite a bit.
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Final scholarship table update today?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
All full unless someone leaves.
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who this? not much room left
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This is getting interesting. A day of Shaka and awe. Will we have our first oversigning since the Crean era?
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Most moves in a 24 hour period in how long?
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That’s seven guards and if you include Perez that is eight. Some players probably being over recruited. Only so much playing time, even if you went to a three guard offense. Should get interesting and look forward to new season to see which players will win the major guard roles. Carton is definitely one, so who knows what happens.
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Most moves in a 24 hour period in how long?
At this rate.....We will need to add a JV team......
Still need a rim protector......
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Huh
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Huh
No star update???
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No star update???
I saw his name mentioned to Marquette last night and was sort of surprised and still am. Lots of moving parts right now. I like his game based on what I see on paper but I’ve never seen him play and can only go off what I’ve read about him. There is little indication the new staff is pushing anyone out at the moment so I’m very curious what this all means since they’ve still been mentioned with other players.
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I saw his name mentioned to Marquette last night and was sort of surprised and still am. Lots of moving parts right now. I like his game based on what I see on paper but I’ve never seen him play and can only go off what I’ve read about him. There is little indication the new staff is pushing anyone out at the moment so I’m very curious what this all means since they’ve still been mentioned with other players.
Agreed. With all of it. Seems like a good shooter.
I don't think anyone is getting pushed out. But I do believe at least one will leave. Doubt Shaka over signs until (if...) that is announced - doesn't seem like his style.
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Welcome, Tyler. Looks like a solid pick up. Would still like to see a needle moving transfer or two brought in (despite current lack of space). This team is very very young and I’d love to see a competitive team year 1. Not sure we have that right now, IMHO.
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I enjoyed the song choice.
Seems to be an efficient scorer.
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I think it means if your gonna be here it’s first come first serve.
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Hahaha with a commitment video like that I’m fully on board.
WELCOME TO MARQUETTE TYLER
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The way it's shaping up, Shaka can take the next 2 years off from recruiting.
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bates and dawson are all thats left until this is as good an outcome as reasoably possible
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Whoa. Immediately eligible? Surprised by this one. I would think we'll have some defections.
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Whoa. Immediately eligible? Surprised by this one. I would think we'll have some defections.
You been frozen in a block of ice for the last year plus?
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Whoa. Immediately eligible? Surprised by this one. I would think we'll have some defections.
Lol, you serious Clark?
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You been frozen in a block of ice for the last year plus?
Traveling with the Walrus... 8-)
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You been frozen in a block of ice for the last year plus?
I guess I didn't realize the transfer rule was set in stone for next season.
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A day of Shaka and awe.
Nice.
Most moves in a 24 hour period in how long?
I'm gonna go with "In the history of Marquette basketball."
Lots of moving parts right now.
Yessir. Crazy!
Go, Shaka, go!!!
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I guess I didn't realize the transfer rule was set in stone for next season.
There was a covid exception already in place for next season, even if it didn't pass. But it did today.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31258180/ncaa-allow-transfers-play-college-football-basketball-sitting-season-report-says
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Uhhh, okay then. Still would like Bates and Garcia. Not sure how that’s gonna work.
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He shoots a lot of triples. I'm predicting we lose 2 players minimum.
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More awesome news!!
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Now close with Bates and Garcia and lets roll.
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Uhhh, okay then. Still would like Bates and Garcia. Not sure how that’s gonna work.
Just gotta trust Shaka.
1. We have no choice. And no say.
2. We hired a guy who has proven he knows how to build a team.
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He shoots a lot of triples. I'm predicting we lose 2 players minimum.
Agree. The nice thing about that is those kids won’t get screwed and have to sit for a year in the process.
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Uhhh, okay then. Still would like Bates and Garcia. Not sure how that’s gonna work.
Well how it would work is pretty simple.
Dawsons spot is still open. One guy gets recuirted over for Bates.
I mean, no offense to Perez, but I think writing is on the wall.
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Oh....another lefty. Yes. G & G would solidify MU's forthcoming resurgence. Obviously DG is key but MU will be back to greatness in due time.
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Agree. The nice thing about that is those kids won’t get screwed and have to sit for a year in the process.
Yep, another good thing about getting rid of the idiotic and wholly unfair mandatory redshirt rule.
A kid plays signs with a school, contributes, plays as hard as he can, but the new coach decides to recruit over him so he transfers. Then HE has to sit out while the new multimillionaire coach doesn't have to sit out? Ridiculous. Glad fairness finally arrived, several decades too late.
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The way it's shaping up, Shaka can take the next 2 years off from recruiting.
LOL, no kidding.
My daughter just texted “has Shaka slept since he’s been hired?”
Welcome to Marquette, Tyler!
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Well how it would work is pretty simple.
Dawsons spot is still open. One guy gets recuirted over for Bates.
I mean, no offense to Perez, but I think writing is on the wall.
Honestly, this signing and Ellis in the last 24 hours probably tells us that Shaka isn’t expecting to get Bates.
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This is Shaka’s team. Moving forward with players from the old regime?
Maybe some of those players will be encouraged to find a better location that fits their skills.
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He shoots a lot of triples. I'm predicting we lose 2 players minimum.
Isn’t that something we desperately needed last year?
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35.8% on 3s for a EFG 53.7%
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7I64UGN5rg
Here are clips from Tyler's frosh year at George Mason. If I had to sum up his game in one word I guess I'd (lazily) say "crafty". Definitely not the most athletic guy but he can make up for that with his size at 6'3" for a PG. Quick release on his 3's and is willing to take them from Howard/Rowsey range. Averaged 11/4/2/1 per game on 36% from 3 and 80% from the line.
Plus as has been stated, with a 'Many Men' shoutout in his commitment how can you not be a huge fan of this guy. Also kudos to Kim English. Just took over at GMU and loses his A10 ROY guard and still commented on his tweet with a genuine congratulations. Great day for MUBB. Gotta think we start seeing some guys making their way out.
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I always felt we would have 2-3 current players on next years roster. We had three D1 players that would play on most teams in the top 25 and the rest were mid major guys that lacked athleticism.
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Uhhh, okay then. Still would like Bates and Garcia. Not sure how that’s gonna work.
Garcia and Bates or Perez and Dex/Greg??
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Honestly, this signing and Ellis in the last 24 hours probably tells us that Shaka isn’t expecting to get Bates.
That's very possible. But this kid looks like an immediate contributor and perhaps will replace one of our players that leave. What's exciting is he's only played one yr and has a lot of growth ahead of him. If he can mince the mesh from distance at near 40% it's an excellent pick-up imo.
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Traveling with the Walrus... 8-)
Please do not disparage one of our great members of the marine mammal kingdom. And don't tell me if you could comfortably take a nap for 1000+ miles on an iceberg you wouldn't hop on.
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onepost
I think we found our shooter.
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I don't get it. I know he was high draft pick and all, but he had to have TJ, and seems to have flamed out a bit...
;)
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I always felt we would have 2-3 current players on next years roster. We had three D1 players that would play on most teams in the top 25 and the rest were mid major guys that lacked athleticism.
How optimistic are you Goose about an immediate NCAA berth if Garcia is back?
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onepost
I think we found our shooter.
So good. This has been a nuts 48
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Trust Shaka and let him figure it out with all these puzzle pieces. I have complete confidence he knows exactly what he’s doing and has a plan in place. D-1 basketball we’re entitled to 13 scholarships. Let’s start using them all for a change and stop going into a season like we’re on some self imposed probation. I won’t turn this into bash the former coach post, but that was such an utter failure of his. We shouldn’t act like we’re surprised to be almost at our scholarship limit next season, let’s be grateful for a new dawn for our program.
And Dawson, while probably likely to be back, is in the air now, in addition to the one open scholly still left.
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We shouldn’t act like we’re surprised to be almost at our scholarship limit next season
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And Dawson, while probably likely to be back, is in the air now, in addition to the one open scholly still left.
They're all full now. Emarion Ellis, David Joplin, Keeyan Itejere, Tyler Kolek
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How optimistic are you Goose about an immediate NCAA berth if Garcia is back?
Sorry wanted to chime in because this crossed my mind too. We’re going to be SO young- 1 junior and two seniors as the roster stands now. That’s going to be tough to pull off. Not impossible, but a big hill to climb all these new players and inexperience.
But here’s hoping!😁
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Mugs
Very optimistic, with or without Garcia. I think next year is going to resemble the resurgence we saw during the early KO years. A group of guys buying into being part of something special and that buy in will be the key to the process. Today was big day for the program.
TAMU noted in a post that we signed guys outside of the top 75 and on paper he is correct. That said, all rankings are not created equal. Guys that fit of system are key and it looks like every guy signed is a Shaka guy. Big difference over just signing guys.
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No open scholarship left if Garcia returns.
And it feels weird to use all thirteen.
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A day of Shaka and awe.
I see what you did there.
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They're all full now. Emarion Ellis, David Joplin, Keeyan Itejere, Tyler Kolek
Oh yeah, duh, I forgot to count Kolek. Thanks
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I'm predicting we lose 2 players minimum.
Who do you think they might be?
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Hutch
Time to get over the Wojo talk about being too young. That is old school thinking and not an excuse any longer. One and done programs do awfully well, as a rule, with a new crew every year. I hope Shaka is fielding young guns and playing them from the opening tap of the season.
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After reading about Kolek, sounds like he's in the mold of Travis Diener -outside shooter, facilitator, decision maker and tough. Huge addition that will bring stability to the offense.
Shaka doing in several days what Wojo couldn't do in several years.
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Who do you think they might be?
I don't see Perez or Akanno coming back and probably Elliott as well.
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Hutch
Time to get over the Wojo talk about being too young. That is old school thinking and not an excuse any longer. One and done programs do awfully well, as a rule, with a new crew every year. I hope Shaka is fielding young guns and playing them from the opening tap of the season.
I hear ya Goose. While I’m excited about all these additions, may take a little time is just reality. As good as Dawson was at times last year, he clearly had growing pains. And he was much higher rated than the this group.
But I’m willing to hope they advance and adapt quickly. It’s certainly not a given they won’t do so.
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After reading about Kolek, sounds like he's in the mold of Travis Diener -outside shooter, facilitator, decision maker and tough. Huge addition that will bring stability to the offense.
Shaka doing in several days what Wojo couldn't do in several years.
Ironic (or maybe not), as Shaka mentioned Diener several times in his intro presser and subsequent media interviews.
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Muggsy
If those three come back they are very confident young men. It appears they may have been recruited over and maybe a couple times over.
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Garcia and Bates or Perez and Dex/Greg??
I don't think Greg should get shafted.
Tat leaves Garcia and Bates or Perez and Dex. Hmmm, lemme think, lemme think.
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He shoots a lot of triples. I'm predicting we lose 2 players minimum.
Two current guards that play awful defense. I think you can put it together.
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Hutch
Dawson played in a high school offense last season and hard to give a legit grade. I like Dawson, don’t love him, but he could thrive in a much quicker game on the offensive side of the court.
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After reading about Kolek, sounds like he's in the mold of Travis Diener -outside shooter, facilitator, decision maker and tough. Huge addition that will bring stability to the offense.
Sounds good to me! Love it
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Mugs
Very optimistic, with or without Garcia. I think next year is going to resemble the resurgence we saw during the early KO years. A group of guys buying into being part of something special and that buy in will be the key to the process. Today was big day for the program.
TAMU noted in a post that we signed guys outside of the top 75 and on paper he is correct. That said, all rankings are not created equal. Guys that fit of system are key and it looks like every guy signed is a Shaka guy. Big difference over just signing guys.
Agreed. I feel pretty damn good about the last two days. We are thin up front but I think Shaka envisions a lot of switchables. I also expect several of our Freshmen to be immediate impact guys.
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Hutch
Dawson played in a high school offense last season and hard to give a legit grade.
I agree on that
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I don't think Greg should get shafted.
Tat leaves Garcia and Bates or Perez and Dex. Hmmm, lemme think, lemme think.
We don't have to lsoe anyone to keep Garcia
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Hutch
Time to get over the Wojo talk about being too young. That is old school thinking and not an excuse any longer. One and done programs do awfully well, as a rule, with a new crew every year. I hope Shaka is fielding young guns and playing them from the opening tap of the season.
Not according to Kentucky fans. They are fed up with Cal's reliance on one and dones. Duke fans aren't enjoying K's pursuit of one and done's either. I hope you are right and admire your optimism. But until I see differently, young teams scare me.
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This might be blasphemous but I think Shaka has already surpassed Wojo. Even before playing a single game. Remember most wars are won before they are ever fought. I foresee next year as being a process but fully believe Shaka knows exactly what he's doing. MU will ascend very quickly and it will be a beautiful thing.
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Maybe not quite the coup, but similar to July 2004 when Dominic, Wes, and Jerel all committed within 24 hours of each other. Believe Jerel was first and ‘Nic and Wes the next day. Laid a great foundation of success. Haven’t had a short span of this much action since that I recall.
Hoping these young men can all follow the amigos MU careers.
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onepost
I think we found our shooter.
Absolutely. With Joplin also shooting 38% from 3 his senior season we're definitely bringing in some legit shooting next season. Great to see to complement all the athletes on this team.
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Honestly, this signing and Ellis in the last 24 hours probably tells us that Shaka isn’t expecting to get Bates.
Don't know if I'd say that quite yet. Not just Bates, but we're linked with a few guys still. If anything I think we may start seeing some exits to go with some more newcomers. Cost of doing business during a coaching transition.
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I’m not convinced yet DJ won’t explore draft like Dawson is doing. He has plenty of time still to do so, May 31.
Lots of moving parts yet.
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I’m not convinced yet DJ won’t explore draft like Dawson is doing. He has plenty of time still to do so, May 31.
Lots of moving parts yet.
DJ and his mom both said he will be back. Crazier things have happened but sure seems like he will be here.
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I’m not convinced yet DJ won’t explore draft like Dawson is doing. He has plenty of time still to do so, May 31.
Lots of moving parts yet.
DJ isn't even an NBA prospect......c'mon man.
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Didn't realize Kolek ranked 2nd nationally **for freshmen** in 3P FGM/game with 2.4.
Love to see that.
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DJ isn't even an NBA prospect......c'mon man.
No he’s not, but many that aren’t ready make themselves eligible and then stay in as we all know.
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Sorry when I hear A10 I hear Chartouny, no offense to Mr. Kolek. Hundreds of players still in the portal.
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Didn't realize Kolek ranked 2nd nationally in 3P FGM/game with 2.4.
Love to see that.
He seems like a smaller Cormac Ryan at ND with a few more guard skills. Or like if Colin Gillespie only played off ball.
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DJ and his mom both said he will be back. Crazier things have happened but sure seems like he will be here.
Ok, I missed that. But like you said...
These are young men who see a dream within their grasp and can change their minds quickly. I really want him back for obvious reasons.
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Sorry when I hear A10 I hear Chartouny, no offense to Mr. Kolek. Hundreds of players still in the portal.
Chartouny couldn't shoot. Rowsey worked out well. They need shooters.
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Sorry when I hear A10 I hear Chartouny, no offense to Mr. Kolek. Hundreds of players still in the portal.
That is hard to shake that stigma for any MU fan, but seems like Kolek was probably as good or better as a freshman than Chartouny was a senior at Fordham.
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Chartouny couldn't shoot. Rowsey worked out well. They need shooters.
Rowsey did work out well. I guess my question then is he the best shooter available or close to it?
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Rowsey did work out well. I guess my question then is he the best shooter available or close to it?
Doesn’t seem like his game should be pigeonholed as a shooter. Talent and skill needed, don’t worry about filling a specific one trick pony role.
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Don't know if I'd say that quite yet. Not just Bates, but we're linked with a few guys still. If anything I think we may start seeing some exits to go with some more newcomers. Cost of doing business during a coaching transition.
We have one schollie left right? Garcia. When he returns, we have none. And no center yet right! We got forwards and guards. So I think Shaka might know someone else might be exiting.
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Rowsey did work out well. I guess my question then is he the best shooter available or close to it?
Chartouney played 3 full years on terrible Fordham teams. He was A-10 FOY but that probably hurt him. Kolek was on a decent GMU team and is now moving on. Similar to Rowsey jumping early in his college career as well
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We have one schollie left right? Garcia. When he returns, we have none. And no center yet right! We got forwards and guards. So I think Shaka might know someone else might be exiting.
Shaka likes tall forwards that are mobile. Not a lot of room for your traditional center.
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Shaka likes tall forwards that are mobile. Not a lot of room for your traditional center.
Exactly. This isn’t Purdue. This is a FSU style lineup. Tall, lanky forwards who do a little bit of everything all the time. Can’t wait. Don’t sweat that we don’t have a beast...it’s gonna be alright.
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Shaka likes tall forwards that are mobile. Not a lot of room for your traditional center.
Well, he did have Mo Bamba for about a minute.
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I like the way things are shaping up for the future. But clearly I forgot to buy tickets for the unbridled optimism wagon. I'll put a reminder on my calendar for next year.
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What a whirlwind two days!
Kolek looks like a solid player. At the very least he is a serviceable shooter.
And with another guard in the mix, I will again state that an incoming guard should consider redshirting.
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Did someone on a recent thread defend you for being “attacked” as a Wojo defender until the end?
I think they are worse off than you today.
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What a whirlwind two days!
Kolek looks like a solid player. At the very least he is a serviceable shooter.
And with another guard in the mix, I will again state that an incoming guard should consider redshirting.
And he was George Mason's PG so he can handle the ball. Lord knows we need that after last year's turnover fest.
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Welcome Mr. Kolek.
To those making the Diener comparisons, I've heard similar. Not necessarily for his skill level but for his competitiveness. That's a kid I want on my team.
I've said it a couple of times today, Shaka is stockpiling underclassmen. He's not worried about winning right meow. He's establishing his mark on the program, setting the culture, and finding players who will fit in his system. Very different than Wojo's approach.
I do think we see some defections. I don't think they will be Shaka'd out...but maybe some blunt conversations about what their roles will be next season. I'd like to see one more big body added and a wing talented enough to start next season. I think I would like one or more of them to be grad transfers too. It would be nice to have one or two scholarships available for 2022 without relying on transfers/declarations
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Tamu, like your thoughts, I like the idea that Tyler is a gym rat, big kudos from his x coach. Betting on himself, very confidence person, that will probably show these other freshman how hard you have to work to improve.
Defections - 3 players right now are working with Smart, your talking about cutting kids, not into that. I can see some transfers after next year.
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Holy crap! Things really are looking up. In their article on Kolek, a local kid, the Providence Journal says we are the Warriors again! ;D
"Kolek joins a Marquette program also looking to make a fresh start. The Warriors fired coach Steve Wojciechowski after seven seasons and hired former Texas coach Shaka Smart, who is a Wisconsin native. Marquette has reached two of the last seven NCAA Tournaments while Smart led the Longhorns to a Big 12 tournament title in March."
Also says he was contacted by Providence, Connecticut, Oklahoma, Penn State, Virginia, Richmond, Davidson, Butler, Boston College, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Stanford and more.
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Caught up on some video after my boy Carlos Rodons no hitter, and I really like this pickup.
Good ball handler, good vision and plays with a lot of guts. Several long passes to a runner. Someone already mentioned the shot- extremely quick trigger which will serve him well at MU versus BE competition.
The craftiness of the finishes on the drives is nice, but he has a tendency to lean into the defender to create the space for the floater and that likely won’t work in the BE- he will learn to pass it off after he gets swatted a few times I’m sure.
In the extremely early prediction mode I would expect Kolek to start next yr tbh. He will be carrying an “upper classman” burden with only one year of solid experience due to all the freshmen guards on the team.
I’d expect Tyler and DJ Carton to start at the 1&2, with Carton getting more of the scoring and accolades.
If Garcia returns you’ll have him and Justin Lewis at the 4&5.
Greg Elliott would be my guess at the “3” but easy to see any of Emarion or Joplin (slots in at the 3), Stevie (PG with Tyler and DJC at the 2/3) or Oso (plays the 5 with Lewis as the 4 and Dawson as the 3 in a large lineup) starting as well
Would be very surprised if Jose, Dex, Kam, or Keeyan started. Don’t like to speculate but if someone gets Shakaen not stirred I’d wager Dex instead of Jose- Akannos athleticism matches more with Shakas MO but I just keep finding a role in my mind for a guy that can get a division I bucket, especially with a young squad, and Perez can do that better than Dex.
Stupid question of the night, that I should know the answer to but I’ve had a few McCallan 18s to celebrate a nice day- redshirt counts against schollie limit or no?
It seems like Shaka could have 1/2 RS candidates right off the bat (Itejere and Cam perhaps)
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Holy crap! Things really are looking up. In their article on Kolek, a local kid, the Providence Journal says we are the Warriors again! ;D
"Kolek joins a Marquette program also looking to make a fresh start. The Warriors fired coach Steve Wojciechowski after seven seasons and hired former Texas coach Shaka Smart
That's great stuff!
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Caught up on some video after my boy Carlos Rodons no hitter, and I really like this pickup.
Good ball handler, good vision and plays with a lot of guts. Several long passes to a runner. Someone already mentioned the shot- extremely quick trigger which will serve him well at MU versus BE competition.
The craftiness of the finishes on the drives is nice, but he has a tendency to lean into the defender to create the space for the floater and that likely won’t work in the BE- he will learn to pass it off after he gets swatted a few times I’m sure.
In the extremely early prediction mode I would expect Kolek to start next yr tbh. He will be carrying an “upper classman” burden with only one year of solid experience due to all the freshmen guards on the team.
I’d expect Tyler and DJ Carton to start at the 1&2, with Carton getting more of the scoring and accolades.
If Garcia returns you’ll have him and Justin Lewis at the 4&5.
Greg Elliott would be my guess at the “3” but easy to see any of Emarion or Joplin (slots in at the 3), Stevie (PG with Tyler and DJC at the 2/3) or Oso (plays the 5 with Lewis as the 4 and Dawson as the 3 in a large lineup) starting as well
Would be very surprised if Jose, Dex, Kam, or Keeyan started. Don’t like to speculate but if someone gets Shakaen not stirred I’d wager Dex instead of Jose- Akannos athleticism matches more with Shakas MO but I just keep finding a role in my mind for a guy that can get a division I bucket, especially with a young squad, and Perez can do that better than Dex.
Stupid question of the night, that I should know the answer to but I’ve had a few McCallan 18s to celebrate a nice day- redshirt counts against schollie limit or no?
It seems like Shaka could have 1/2 RS candidates right off the bat (Itejere and Cam perhaps)
RS counts
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Tamu, like your thoughts, I like the idea that Tyler is a gym rat, big kudos from his x coach. Betting on himself, very confidence person, that will probably show these other freshman how hard you have to work to improve.
Defections - 3 players right now are working with Smart, your talking about cutting kids, not into that. I can see some transfers after next year.
Definitely don't want a reputation of being a school that is constantly "cutting kids". But with every player being immediately eligible after transferring, this would be the ideal year for new coaches to let it be known it may be best to look elsewhere for guys on the fringe. I appreciate any of these guys staying committed to MU once Shaka came on, but scholarships are year-by-year agreements if you want to get technical. And Shaka has to do what's best for his program. If he sees greater value in someone else out there over someone he didn't recruit to Marquette, I have no problems with him being an adult, and the player being understanding, about doing what's best for both parties.
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Not saying Kolek will be in the same stratosphere as this guy by any means, but he kinda gives off Goran Dragic vibes.
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To those making the Diener comparisons, I've heard similar. Not necessarily for his skill level but for his competitiveness. That's a kid I want on my team.
Anyone catch what Shaka tweeted right after Kolek's announcement?
https://twitter.com/CoachShakaSmart/status/1382476355573530630
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Yup, he's saying Diener is coming home! 💪🤣
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Holy crap! Things really are looking up. In their article on Kolek, a local kid, the Providence Journal says we are the Warriors again! ;D
"Kolek joins a Marquette program also looking to make a fresh start. The Warriors fired coach Steve Wojciechowski after seven seasons and hired former Texas coach Shaka Smart, who is a Wisconsin native. Marquette has reached two of the last seven NCAA Tournaments while Smart led the Longhorns to a Big 12 tournament title in March."
Also says he was contacted by Providence, Connecticut, Oklahoma, Penn State, Virginia, Richmond, Davidson, Butler, Boston College, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Stanford and more.
Let The Good Times Roll!!
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Rocky
The Shaka train has left the station and all seats were full. Sorry, you missed out on the excitement.
It is funny, when some posters were negative on the program you did not like that and now some of those posters are very optimistic and you do not like that. Seems to me you either do not like some posters or just want to not like things. My guess is you are hoping some posters are flat out wrong on their optimistic feelings for next season and beyond.
I am sorry you are sitting out on the excitement and waiting for a bit more evidence to buy in. That said, I know you have a ton of patience and would still be giving Wojo more time.
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Rocky
The Shaka train has left the station and all seats were full. Sorry, you missed out on the excitement.
It is funny, when some posters were negative on the program you did not like that and now some of those posters are very optimistic and you do not like that. Seems to me you either do not like some posters or just want to not like things. My guess is you are hoping some posters are flat out wrong on their optimistic feelings for next season and beyond.
I am sorry you are sitting out on the excitement and waiting for a bit more evidence to buy in. That said, I know you have a ton of patience and would still be giving Wojo more time.
No Goose, you have it wrong. Rocky loyally supported Wojo-Dukiet too long, but he should get a pass on that, because of his fandom. Nothing wrong with taking a wait and see posture while still supporting the program. I am a strong supporter of Shaka but also taking a wait and see approach. While it appears he is off to a very good start, none of the commits are considered real recruiting studs so we will have to see how they develop. Want to see some blue chips over next two years.
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Welcome Mr. Kolek.
To those making the Diener comparisons, I've heard similar. Not necessarily for his skill level but for his competitiveness. That's a kid I want on my team.
I've said it a couple of times today, Shaka is stockpiling underclassmen. He's not worried about winning right meow. He's establishing his mark on the program, setting the culture, and finding players who will fit in his system. Very different than Wojo's approach.
I do think we see some defections. I don't think they will be Shaka'd out...but maybe some blunt conversations about what their roles will be next season. I'd like to see one more big body added and a wing talented enough to start next season. I think I would like one or more of them to be grad transfers too. It would be nice to have one or two scholarships available for 2022 without relying on transfers/declarations
Why are you laughing?
I thought you said meow.
Do I look like a cat to you?
BTW, you still have nine to go.
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@Cj_Ward
" 'He can’t play here, can’t play there.' Give me the kid u have to kick out the gym. The kid who thinks he’s the best player in every gym he’s in, the kid that shoots it from the logo. Some pretend to love the work, he LOVES the work. Spoke on it & executed. Proud of u
@KolekTyler"
11:31 AM · Mar 10, 2021
Tweet from one of high school coaches when Kolek was named A-10 ROY.
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@Cj_Ward
" 'He can’t play here, can’t play there.' Give me the kid u have to kick out the gym. The kid who thinks he’s the best player in every gym he’s in, the kid that shoots it from the logo. Some pretend to love the work, he LOVES the work. Spoke on it & executed. Proud of u
@KolekTyler"
11:31 AM · Mar 10, 2021
Tweet from one of high school coaches when Kolek was named A-10 ROY.
I'm sold. Can't wait to watch you light them up as a Warrior.
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FWIW When Tyler Kolek was a Senior at St. George's School he was teammates with 5 Star Freshman SF Taylor Bol Bowen. Class of 2023.
MU had expressed interest even before the coaching change and I would expect Cody Hatt to be all over this one.
https://247sports.com/Player/Taylor-Bowen-46102044/
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Let The Good Times Roll!!
odds on Badger Brad Davison going for a nut punch on Kolek?
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Why are you laughing?
I thought you said meow.
Do I look like a cat to you?
BTW, you still have nine to go.
Still one of my favorite "turn off my brain and laugh" movies
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Holy crap! Things really are looking up. In their article on Kolek, a local kid, the Providence Journal says we are the Warriors again! ;D
"Kolek joins a Marquette program also looking to make a fresh start. The Warriors fired coach Steve Wojciechowski after seven seasons and hired former Texas coach Shaka Smart, who is a Wisconsin native. Marquette has reached two of the last seven NCAA Tournaments while Smart led the Longhorns to a Big 12 tournament title in March."
Also says he was contacted by Providence, Connecticut, Oklahoma, Penn State, Virginia, Richmond, Davidson, Butler, Boston College, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Stanford and more.
Thanks for sharing this.
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No Goose, you have it wrong. Rocky loyally supported Wojo-Dukiet too long, but he should get a pass on that, because of his fandom. Nothing wrong with taking a wait and see posture while still supporting the program. I am a strong supporter of Shaka but also taking a wait and see approach. While it appears he is off to a very good start, none of the commits are considered real recruiting studs so we will have to see how they develop. Want to see some blue chips over next two years.
A fair amount of Wojo’s recruits were "recruiting studs". What did that matter? On the other hand, very few of Wisconsin’s recruits were recruiting studs. I would take their success over the last 20 years. I think over time Shaka will bring in some highly ranked recruits, but also guys that fit what he wants to do.
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Still one of my favorite "turn off my brain and laugh" movies
Mine, too. Thanks for slipping it in there and reminding us all to laugh.
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Not saying Kolek will be in the same stratosphere as this guy by any means, but he kinda gives off Goran Dragic vibes.
I was thinking Matt Carlino. A solid player college but definitely not the Dragon. Even the Diener comparisons seem a little unrealistic.
Then again, people were comparing Diener to John Stockton back in the day. Fans tend to overestimate players upside.
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I was thinking Matt Carlino. A solid player college but definitely not the Dragon. Even the Diener comparisons seem a little unrealistic.
Then again, people were comparing Diener to John Stockton back in the day. Fans tend to overestimate players upside.
So Deiner and Stockton in a blender?
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A fair amount of Wojo’s recruits were "recruiting studs". What did that matter? On the other hand, very few of Wisconsin’s recruits were recruiting studs. I would take their success over the last 20 years. I think over time Shaka will bring in some highly ranked recruits, but also guys that fit what he wants to do.
I had this conversation with a friend yesterday. For the last seven years it seemed Wojo pulled in some highly rated recruits. Because he did, we held out hope year after year that their talent would be enough to overcome Wojo's lack of coaching ability. It never happened. Shaka's recruiting with a purpose. He has a plan, an offense, a scheme, a "type" of player that fits. Beyond pumped!
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hairy
I will take a 80th rated recruit that fits Shaka's system over a 20th rated 7ft white kid from MN. Systems make the world go round and you need to fit the right pieces together.
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hairy
I will take a 80th rated recruit that fits Shaka's system over a 20th rated 7ft white kid from MN. Systems make the world go round and you need to fit the right pieces together.
Rankings are basically a crapshoot outside the top 20 or so anyway. Plus, they're frequently wrong.
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Hards
Agreed. That said, I hope we are in on top 20 guys that fir the system moving forward. My gut tells me that we will be very active in the free agent market year in and year out. There is ZERO doubt that Shaka can recruit or that the kids obviously like him.
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Hards
Agreed. That said, I hope we are in on top 20 guys that fir the system moving forward. My gut tells me that we will be very active in the free agent market year in and year out. There is ZERO doubt that Shaka can recruit or that the kids obviously like him.
100% agree
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It is funny, when some posters were negative on the program you did not like that and now some of those posters are very optimistic and you do not like that. Seems to me you either do not like some posters or just want to not like things. My guess is you are hoping some posters are flat out wrong on their optimistic feelings for next season and beyond.
I am sorry you are sitting out on the excitement and waiting for a bit more evidence to buy in. That said, I know you have a ton of patience and would still be giving Wojo more time.
I don't really care what box people would like to paint me into. I like the staff Shaka has put together, he's clearly going to have a young team, and I REALLY hope that all works out. I want MU to win - I have a feeling it will be a few years down the road. I am hesitant to assume he'll have more success at MU than TX, but time will tell.
It's nice to see you and others so ecstatic, but your projections remind me of an Akanno mix-tape.
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rocky
Good stuff. My hope, we bring in guys that take full advantage of the academics at MU, anything else is a bonus.
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@Cj_Ward
" 'He can’t play here, can’t play there.' Give me the kid u have to kick out the gym. The kid who thinks he’s the best player in every gym he’s in, the kid that shoots it from the logo. Some pretend to love the work, he LOVES the work. Spoke on it & executed. Proud of u
@KolekTyler"
11:31 AM · Mar 10, 2021
Tweet from one of high school coaches when Kolek was named A-10 ROY.
Holy crap. That literally could be Al speaking from the great beyond.
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Sorry when I hear A10 I hear Chartouny, no offense to Mr. Kolek. Hundreds of players still in the portal.
the only thing about the Fordham program that is "A10" is their membership in the conference. They would be lucky to finish in the top half of the MAAC most years.
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Not according to Kentucky fans. They are fed up with Cal's reliance on one and dones. Duke fans aren't enjoying K's pursuit of one and done's either. I hope you are right and admire your optimism. But until I see differently, young teams scare me.
If a team is relying on one-and-dones, one of those guys has to be a top 2 pick in the draft for real success. You can win with one-and-dones if Anthony Davis is one of them. It's very hard to do otherwise.
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I don't really care what box people would like to paint me into. I like the staff Shaka has put together, he's clearly going to have a young team, and I REALLY hope that all works out. I want MU to win - I have a feeling it will be a few years down the road. I am hesitant to assume he'll have more success at MU than TX, but time will tell.
It's nice to see you and others so ecstatic, but your projections remind me of an Akanno mix-tape.
Need to add this to the Meme Inventory.
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I do not think Shaka is making MU into one and done U, but that model is not going away. My point was more about saying how young a team may be. I do not think that is an excuse with the new rules in place and the game experience freshmen have at the AAU level. It was a great sound bite for Wojo to use after every loss.
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I do not think Shaka is making MU into one and done U, but that model is not going away. My point was more about saying how young a team may be. I do not think that is an excuse with the new rules in place and the game experience freshmen have at the AAU level. It was a great sound bite for Wojo to use after every loss.
Every coach across America with a young team -- including Cal and K -- use it as an excuse. They might phrase things differently, but they all use it. Because it's valid.
The irony to the "chase all Wojo's guys away" narrative is that DJ, DG and JL probably will be the best 3 players on Shaka's first team (assuming Garcia returns). One reason will be that they're not freshmen.
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You are correct, Coach K or Cal will use "young guys" for an excuse for a month into a season or all year if they suck. I highly doubt that they adopted that model with the thought they could not win it all.
Speaking of comparing Wojo and Coach K/Cal built in excuses, did you see the similarities between Wojo and Jay Wright's early years? Someone pointed that out on here and really made me think hard about the two guys career trajectory.
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You are correct, Coach K or Cal will use "young guys" for an excuse for a month into a season or all year if they suck. I highly doubt that they adopted that model with the thought they could not win it all.
Speaking of comparing Wojo and Coach K/Cal built in excuses, did you see the similarities between Wojo and Jay Wright's early years? Someone pointed that out on here and really made me think hard about the two guys career trajectory.
Yep. One proved to be a great coach, the other proved to be a poor one. It happens at every level of every sport and, for that matter, in every business. Not sure what you're point is, but sure.
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Speaking of comparing Wojo and Coach K/Cal built in excuses, did you see the similarities between Wojo and Jay Wright's early years? Someone pointed that out on here and really made me think hard about the two guys career trajectory.
What similarities? If the comparison is winning percentages of some sort, it's not valid. Wojo was never going to have any success. It baffles me how people can't still see that. All it tells me is that people don't know how the game of basketball is played.
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I just miss the Wojo/Jay Wright comparison debates and wanted to keep it fresh in my mind. Your mention of other top coaches using "being young" as an excuse reminded me of the Wright comparisons used as a reason to give Woj another few years.
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I just miss the Wojo/Jay Wright comparison debates and wanted to keep it fresh in my mind. Your mention of other top coaches using "being young" as an excuse reminded me of the Wright comparisons used as a reason to give Woj another few years.
NM. Not worth it.
We Are Marquette!
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Actually, it was a shot at the posters that made that argument. Wojo is in my rear view mirror and can no longer be seen.
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Actually, it was a shot at the posters that made that argument. Wojo is in my rear view mirror and can no longer be seen.
It was a valid point. No one ever said Wojo was going to be Wright. Just that some coaches need a few years to build something. Some coaches don't end up building anything no matter how many years they get.
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It was a valid point. No one ever said Wojo was going to be Wright. Just that some coaches need a few years to build something. Some coaches don't end up building anything no matter how many years they get.
But it wasn't...Jay went NIT, NIT, NIT, S16, E8, 64, S16, FF...
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But it wasn't...Jay went NIT, NIT, NIT, S16, E8, 64, S16, FF...
It took him until year 4 to have any significant amount of success. That's the entirety of the point.
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I love it when people try to use stat combos to make something seem more impressive than it actually is.
Here's a paragraph from Marquette's release about the 5 new players:
Tyler Kolek (6-3, 190), the Atlantic-10 Conference Rookie of the Year in 2020-21, was one of the most productive freshman in the country. He started 18-of-22 games for the Patriots and averaged 10.8 points, 3.6 rebounds and 2.3 assists per game. He is one of only 11 freshmen in the past five seasons (and the only one in 2020-21) to average a stat line of 10.0 ppg./2.4 3-pt. FG/2.0 apg./.350 3pt FG%.
2.4? Really?
The round-number ones are usually contrived enough. "He was just the second Celtic in the last 18 years to average 24 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists."
But 2.4?
This is not meant as any kind of slap at Tyler. Glad to have him on our team!
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Will Tyler be more like Travis Diener or Jake Thomas? Or Diener/Thomas in a blender?
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It took him until year 4 to have any significant amount of success. That's the entirety of the point.
Wright had success in the NIT during a rebuild though. And when you compare game tape from rebuild years, you'll see Nova has much better ball movement and a flow to its offense whereas MU is sporadic and choppy. It's not hard to see who the well coached team is.....
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Watching the freshman highlights of the kid in the video included in Brew's thread makes it look like the kid can light it up.
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Litehouse
I am not a big fan of traditional players, but I am really excited about this addition. It looks like this kid is is tough, likely cocky (my kind of player) and has some real game. It looks like another piece of the puzzle has been filled in.
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Litehouse
I am not a big fan of traditional players, but I am really excited about this addition. It looks like this kid is is tough, likely cocky (my kind of player) and has some real game. It looks like another piece of the puzzle has been filled in.
Big question, can he guard Colin Gillespie?
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BC
At this moment I would say yes, let's see when the kid is back in action.
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Will Tyler be more like Travis Diener or Jake Thomas? Or Diener/Thomas in a blender?
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Still one of my favorite "turn off my brain and laugh" movies
Which movie?
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My main concern about Tyler is that he is a volume 3-point shooter -- nearly 7 a game, 3x as many 2s as he attempted -- and .358 is not a great percentage for a chucker.
For example, notable chucker Matt Carlino also averaged 7 treys a game his season at Marquette, but he shot at a much more palatable .419 clip. Rowsey averaged 7 attempts a game in his two Marquette seasons, shooting .426. As a senior, Markus averaged 10 treys a game and was the focus of every defense he faced, and yet he still hit .412.
So I hope Tyler's shooting either improves or he is a little more selective about which 3s he takes.
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My main concern about Tyler is that he is a volume 3-point shooter -- nearly 7 a game, 3x as many 2s as he attempted -- and .358 is not a great percentage for a chucker.
For example, notable chucker Matt Carlino also averaged 7 treys a game his season at Marquette, but he shot at a much more palatable .419 clip. Rowsey averaged 7 attempts a game in his two Marquette seasons, shooting .426. As a senior, Markus averaged 10 treys a game and was the focus of every defense he faced, and yet he still hit .412.
So I hope Tyler's shooting either improves or he is a little more selective about which 3s he takes.
Yeah I didn’t understand the excitement over his three point shooting percentage. But then again, there is always room for improvement and he might make the next leap.
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My main concern about Tyler is that he is a volume 3-point shooter -- nearly 7 a game, 3x as many 2s as he attempted -- and .358 is not a great percentage for a chucker.
For example, notable chucker Matt Carlino also averaged 7 treys a game his season at Marquette, but he shot at a much more palatable .419 clip. Rowsey averaged 7 attempts a game in his two Marquette seasons, shooting .426. As a senior, Markus averaged 10 treys a game and was the focus of every defense he faced, and yet he still hit .412.
So I hope Tyler's shooting either improves or he is a little more selective about which 3s he takes.
Carlino never shot better than 34% on 3's until he got to Marquette.
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Carlino never shot better than 34% on 3's until he got to Marquette.
Yeah, I saw that, too. So, as I said, I hope Tyler's 3-point shooting improves. We all should hope for that, including Tyler.
He apparently is a hard worker, so get er done!
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Some people who know ball better than me say we’ve got our shooter. So we’ve got our shooter.
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Which movie?
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Our generation's Caddyshack
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Super Troopers 2 was better than Caddyshack 2
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Some people who know ball better than me say we’ve got our shooter. So we’ve got our shooter.
Even if Kolek is "our shooter," teams that actually want to win college basketball games nowadays need more than one guy who can consistently knock down 3s. It was no coincidence that Baylor and Gonzaga were great shooting teams. Baylor, for all their athletic ability, defensive pressure, etc, led the nation in 3-point shooting. That's basketball now.
Kolek could improve substantially, as so many players -- including Greg Elliott -- have. Elliott shot .367 his first year, .413 his second and .455 his third. Of course, he rarely got to play his first year and even his second, while Kolek played a ton as a freshman. But as Lazar pointed out, Carlino didn't become a good 3-point shooter until his senior season.
Players DO improve. It's one of the things some people seem to forget when talking about DJ, Lewis and/or Garcia, too. (Not saying you, wades.)
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Super Troopers 2 was better than Caddyshack 2
My colonoscopy was better than Caddyshack 2.
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You are correct on players potentially improving over their career. Theo and Cain are both examples of that. That said, you have to have a starting point and I am hopeful that the three remaining guys show similar improvement next season. Their starting point is higher than the other guys ceiling.
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There are factors that can bump that percentage up without any actual improvement in his shot. If defenses keyed on him or he was told to chuck it whenever possible, or there was no other offensive threat on that team, could all be reasons that his percentage wasn't a little higher. Surround him with better talent and Shaka defines what is or is not good shot selection and he could see his percentage improve. I don't know anything about this kid and I am not going to pour over all of his game film. His form looks good to me. If he is a logo shooter and everyone says he is a good shooter, he is going to be a good shooter next year and that will only improve with time.
My concern with him is athleticism and defensive athleticism at that.
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BLM
Thanks for the mention. Nice to see you back after your timeout. Hopefully lessons were learned while you were on scoop vacation.
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BLM
Thanks for the mention. Nice to see you back after your timeout. Hopefully lessons were learned while you were on scoop vacation.
Cool
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79% FT shooter, usually means a good 3 point shooter.
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There are factors that can bump that percentage up without any actual improvement in his shot. If defenses keyed on him or he was told to chuck it whenever possible, or there was no other offensive threat on that team, could all be reasons that his percentage wasn't a little higher. Surround him with better talent and Shaka defines what is or is not good shot selection and he could see his percentage improve. I don't know anything about this kid and I am not going to pour over all of his game film. His form looks good to me. If he is a logo shooter and everyone says he is a good shooter, he is going to be a good shooter next year and that will only improve with time.
My concern with him is athleticism and defensive athleticism at that.
Lots of great points in there, Papi.
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BLM
Thanks for the mention. Nice to see you back after your timeout. Hopefully lessons were learned while you were on scoop vacation.
Appreciate it. Here's to hoping our 35% shooting sniper from the A10 outshoots our 45% meh 3 point shooter in the Big East if the latter is getting OutSmarted.
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You were right the first time when sayin' "what do I know?", hey?
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My main concern about Tyler is that he is a volume 3-point shooter -- nearly 7 a game, 3x as many 2s as he attempted -- and .358 is not a great percentage for a chucker.
For example, notable chucker Matt Carlino also averaged 7 treys a game his season at Marquette, but he shot at a much more palatable .419 clip. Rowsey averaged 7 attempts a game in his two Marquette seasons, shooting .426. As a senior, Markus averaged 10 treys a game and was the focus of every defense he faced, and yet he still hit .412.
So I hope Tyler's shooting either improves or he is a little more selective about which 3s he takes.
And what are the 3 point shooting statistics for Freshmen? While 3 point shooting is important- ball handling, tempo control, ball movement, leadership are more important as they are huge needs for this offense right now. If those categories do not improve, this team doesn't either.
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Was watching The MLB Network tonight and they mentioned Tyler Kolek. Had to do a double take. They were talking about Tyler Frank Kolek who was drafted by the Miami Marlins with the 2nd Overall Pick in The 2014 Major League Baseball Draft. Not the A-10 Freshman of the Year Different Tyler Kolek. Whew
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And what are the 3 point shooting statistics for Freshmen? While 3 point shooting is important- ball handling, tempo control, ball movement, leadership are more important as they are huge needs for this offense right now. If those categories do not improve, this team doesn't either.
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
The 3-point shooting for some freshmen was great (Markus, Sam). For others, not so great.
Most players who get the chance and who are committed improve. I hope Tyler does.
And yes, we need all the things you point out, that's no secret.
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I believe Kolek means "peg" in Polish.
As in wooden peg.
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I believe Kolek means "peg" in Polish.
As in wooden peg.
Or "dinghy" in Sundanese...
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This dude also infers that Garcia is coming back, along with Gardiner.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/04/17/george-mason-transfer-tyler-kolek-will-impact-marquette-basketball/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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This dude also infers that Garcia is coming back, along with Gardiner.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/04/17/george-mason-transfer-tyler-kolek-will-impact-marquette-basketball/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
That's one of the worst written, worst researched articles I've ever seen. But apparently a healthy Tommy Gardiner, he of 7 career minutes & 2 career points, will be a difference maker.
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That's one of the worst written, worst researched articles I've ever seen. But apparently a healthy Tommy Gardiner, he of 7 career minutes & 2 career points, will be a difference maker.
Plus Tommy is no longer on scholarship.
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2021/05/21/bucks-pat-connaughton-stays-connected-his-aau-middlesex-magic/5156811001/
Interesting connection here
Crotty connected Connaughton with former Middlesex player Tyler Kolek when Kolek decided to transfer from George Mason to Marquette.
[/size]“I thought it would be a great fit for him,” Connaughton said. “I said to him, ‘At the end of the day, you got to go where you feel is best. If it’s out here, hopefully I’ll be here for a long time and maybe we’ll tear up the nets at Fiserv Forum at different times of the day, different nights of the week.'”[/color]
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2021/05/21/bucks-pat-connaughton-stays-connected-his-aau-middlesex-magic/5156811001/
Interesting connection here
Crotty connected Connaughton with former Middlesex player Tyler Kolek when Kolek decided to transfer from George Mason to Marquette.
[/size]“I thought it would be a great fit for him,” Connaughton said. “I said to him, ‘At the end of the day, you got to go where you feel is best. If it’s out here, hopefully I’ll be here for a long time and maybe we’ll tear up the nets at Fiserv Forum at different times of the day, different nights of the week.'”[/color]
Uh-oh ... this makes me want to hate this former ND guy a little less.
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Uh-oh ... this makes me want to hate this former ND guy a little less.
Thank God it wasn't Kyle McAlarney!