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Title: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 09:55:02 AM
That will be a hot ticket at Fiserv.  I expect UCLA to be a top 5 team next year even if they lose Juzang to the draft.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Herman Cain on April 04, 2021, 10:00:36 AM
That will be a hot ticket at Fiserv.  I expect UCLA to be a top 5 team next year even if they lose Juzang tonthe draft.
Scholl and Broeker( and to be generous Wojo) did a nice job of making that series   happen. Could be a partial reason for people to re up season tickets.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Silent Verbal on April 04, 2021, 10:06:31 AM
What are the chances of this being a Saturday game?  Feels like it’s going to be a Tuesday or Wednesday night game for tv purposes.

Also, this game is actually happening, right?  Like, UCLA can’t back out now that they’ve caught fire?  I seem to recall MU playing UNC years ago in NC under Crean and possibly getting screwed out of the return game.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: marqfan22 on April 04, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
I believe the UNC game in 2000 was a one time thing. UNC was never scheduled to return the game.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Johnny B on April 04, 2021, 01:35:47 PM
how confident are we it will be full capcity allowed no masks?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: brewcity77 on April 04, 2021, 01:43:52 PM
how confident are we it will be full capcity allowed no masks?

I'm not confident at all. But I imagine the more people that get vaccinated, the closer we'll get to that. It will be interesting to see the requirements put in for fan attendance and vaccination.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: tower912 on April 04, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
I'm not confident at all. But I imagine the more people that get vaccinated, the closer we'll get to that. It will be interesting to see the requirements put in for fan attendance and vaccination.
Passport.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 04, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Passport.


Yep. If businesses/teams/leagues start requiring them, it would be the safest and most efficient way to get fans back in the seats.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2021, 01:56:27 PM
how confident are we it will be full capcity allowed no masks?

100%
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 02:02:49 PM
how confident are we it will be full capcity allowed no masks?

I think it's a fluid situation.  We have no idea how long these vaccines will last.  Some are speculating we will have to get vaccinated every 6 or 12 mos.  We also don't have enough data regarding various strains.  As for the vaccine passport?  Businesses have every right to choose to operate in any way they please but a federal vaccine passport mandate would be extremely problematic and unconstitutional.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: mileskishnish72 on April 04, 2021, 02:05:24 PM
Passport.

As long as it's not a photo ID!
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Scoop Snoop on April 04, 2021, 02:17:34 PM
I think it's a fluid situation.  We have no idea how long these vaccines will last.  Some are speculating we will have to get vaccinated every 6 or 12 mos.  We also don't have enough data regarding various strains.  As for the vaccine passport?  Businesses have every right to choose to operate in any way they please but a federal vaccine passport mandate would be extremely problematic and unconstitutional.

I would not be so sure about the bolded. I'm not saying anything about what should or not be. Look at the mandatory business shutdowns when the virus spiked. Stating that something is unconstitutional does not make it so.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Badgerhater on April 04, 2021, 02:22:54 PM

Yep. If businesses/teams/leagues start requiring them, it would be the safest and most efficient way to get fans back in the seats.

Then someone else gets my seat.  I am vaccinated but won’t go to a game that requires a passport.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 02:28:35 PM
I would not be so sure about the bolded. I'm not saying anything about what should or not be. Look at the mandatory business shutdowns when the virus spiked. Stating that something is unconstitutional does not make it so.

I don't want to get into a political discussion but if you mandate a vaccine passport there will be major issues about other health choices people make. 
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:04:13 PM
I think it's a fluid situation.  We have no idea how long these vaccines will last.  Some are speculating we will have to get vaccinated every 6 or 12 mos.  We also don't have enough data regarding various strains.  As for the vaccine passport?  Businesses have every right to choose to operate in any way they please but a federal vaccine passport mandate would be extremely problematic and unconstitutional.

Amend the constitution.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jockey on April 04, 2021, 03:04:29 PM
Then someone else gets my seat.  I am vaccinated but won’t go to a game that requires a passport.

Not a problem. No one will care and someone else will get the tickets.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:05:13 PM
Then someone else gets my seat.  I am vaccinated but won’t go to a game that requires a passport.
You won't be missed, and you are.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:09:49 PM
Our constitution is like an autoimune disease.
I have an autoimune disease, my body works against itself.
Our system works against our country.
It's like using the rules to stop work and progress.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 03:13:16 PM
Amend the constitution.

So if a person decides not to get vaccinated, or they don't want to be traced by big tech and live in a free society, they shouldn't be allowed say to buy groceries if that business chooses to require the passport?  Maybe they're worried about long-term ramifications for their children?  Also, what if the government wanted to determine the health rights of a mother's "right to choose"?  How do you think that would work out?  A mandatory vaccine passport would be a powder keg situation and very bad for a free society.  And it would hurt the lowest socioeconomic class the most.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2021, 03:13:26 PM
Businesses have every right to choose to operate in any way they please but a federal vaccine passport mandate would be extremely problematic and unconstitutional.

Courts have ruled time and again that vaccine mandates are constitutional (such as for schools and workplaces), with very few exemptions allowed.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Small Orange Soda on April 04, 2021, 03:20:43 PM
So if a person decides not to get vaccinated, or they don't want to be traced by big tech and live in a free society

Then I'd suggest you dump your cell phone and stop posting on the internet.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:24:04 PM
So if a person decides not to get vaccinated, or they don't want to be traced by big tech and live in a free society, they shouldn't be allowed say to buy groceries if that business chooses to require the passport?  Maybe they're worried about long-term ramifications for their children?  Also, what if the government say wanted to determine the health rights of a mother's "right to choose"?  How do you think that would work out?  A mandatory vaccine passport would be a powder keg situation and very bad for a free society.  And it would hurt the lowest socioeconomic class the most.

Yes, whatever it takes.

We argue about trivia, slippery slopes, and hypothetical nonsence as the world eats our lunch.
During the Vietnam war there was an explosion of law students and law schools for the draft dodging students.  That has led to paralysis by litigation.

So much for common sense, reasonableness, and the common good.  Today everyone is making a case about everything.   Yes, you are right, from your point of view.  From your camera angle, I understand how the world looks.  You win.  I'll just go down with the ship with the rest of us. 

I forgot to mention the proliferation of extrajudicial mediation and arbitration. Why?  The courts are full of litigation.  The dockets are full of lawyers and their cases.  Then we have plea bargening and we call that justice under our constitution.  We need reform, big time reform, including the constitution.  And by the way, I'm a real conservative, if lables matter.

HAPPY, PEACEFUL, EASTER





Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 04, 2021, 03:26:41 PM
Courts have ruled time and again that vaccine mandates are constitutional (such as for schools and workplaces), with very few exemptions allowed.


Correct. Somewhere in one of these threads I posted a description of the constitutional analysis back when states were mandating polio vaccines. The Supreme Court upheld it then, and there haven’t been any pertinent Constitutional amendments that would cause them to rule otherwise today.

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 03:29:12 PM
Then I'd suggest you dump your cell phone and stop posting on the internet.

I didn't say me personally but people are going to have a problem with their health privacy being eliminated.  And you could easily argue that if the government can mandate these particular vaccines they could mandate a lot of other things. It wouldn't be pleasant regardless of which party is in power..   
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 03:34:44 PM
Yes, whatever it takes.

We argue about trivia, slippery slopes, and hypothetical nonsence as the world eats our lunch.
During the Vietnam war there was an explosion of law students and law schools for the draft dodging students.  That has led to paralysis by litigation.

So much for common sense, reasonableness, and the common good.  Today everyone is making a case about everything.   Yes, you are right, from your point of view.  From your camera angle, I understand how the world looks.  You win.  I'll just go down with the ship with the rest of us. 

I forgot to mention the proliferation of extrajudicial mediation and arbitration. Why?  The courts are full of litigation.  The dockets are full of lawyers and their cases.  Then we have plea bargening and we call that justice under our constitution.  We need reform, big time reform, including the constitution.  And by the way, I'm a real conservative, if lables matter.

HAPPY, PEACEFUL, EASTER

So you literally believe if a person chooses not to get vaccinated, for whatever reason, now and every year moving forward, they shouldn't be allowed to buy groceries if that business requires a vaccine passport?  I mean think about this for a second.....really?? 
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 04, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
I didn't say me personally but people are going to have a problem with their health privacy being eliminated.  And you could easily argue that if the government can mandate these particular vaccines they could mandate a lot of other things. It wouldn't be pleasant regardless of which party is in power..   

The government, in the form of public school districts and public universities, already mandate certain vaccines. There is nothing unconstitutional about this.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 04, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
Then I'd suggest you dump your cell phone and stop posting on the internet.

People with cell phones complaining about being "tracked" is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2021, 03:36:52 PM
Say what you will, but UCLA coming to Milwaukee should be fun
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:37:25 PM

Correct. Somewhere in one of these threads I posted a description of the constitutional analysis back when states were mandating polio vaccines. The Supreme Court upheld it then, and there haven’t been any pertinent Constitutional amendments that would cause them to rule otherwise today.

All sides are tortured using an outdated constitutiin on modern day problems. 
Senate rules, gun control, taxes, technology, misinformation, copywrights, pattens, intellectual property, democracy, treaties, war powers, the list is endless.  We are trying to shoe horn everything into our poor old constution as amended.  Slick politicians and lawyers will be the end of America.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Small Orange Soda on April 04, 2021, 03:38:22 PM
I didn't say me personally but people are going to have a problem with their health privacy being eliminated.  And you could easily argue that if the government can mandate these particular vaccines they could mandate a lot of other things. It wouldn't be pleasant regardless of which party is in power..

We already have "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service".  Is Brother's still on Water St?  They had a pretty strict dress code.  If that's kosher, I don't see why making sure people can't spread a deadly disease is unconstitutional but asking someone to not wear a backwards hat is okay.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2021, 03:38:35 PM
I didn't say me personally but people are going to have a problem with their health privacy being eliminated.  And you could easily argue that if the government can mandate these particular vaccines they could mandate a lot of other things. It wouldn't be pleasant regardless of which party is in power..

1. Slippery slope is a fallacy
2. Chances are, your health privacy already is eliminated in all sorts of ways. Have you attended school? Played sports? Going on Medicare when you retire?

Nobody has suggested mandatory vaccinations, keep in mind. Any nobody would be denied a constitutional right by not getting one. But things you don't have a right to ... flying commercial, going to a ball game, staying in a hotel ... then you may need to provide proof you aren't going to make those around you ill.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: brewcity77 on April 04, 2021, 03:40:29 PM
I didn't say me personally but people are going to have a problem with their health privacy being eliminated.  And you could easily argue that if the government can mandate these particular vaccines they could mandate a lot of other things. It wouldn't be pleasant regardless of which party is in power..

Vaccines have been required for public schooling as long as I can remember.

Also, this isn't government mandating anything, it would be a private business deciding how to operate in such a way that keeps their clients safe and healthy. Whether we're talking about game attendance (you are free to watch on TV) or groceries (you are free to use Amazing Fresh or whatever delivery service you choose) there are options.

"Freedom" cuts both ways, and if you want to exercise the "freedom" to not do things to protect the public good, then the public should be equally "free" from the threats your unhealthy presence could create.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:43:10 PM
I didn't say me personally but people are going to have a problem with their health privacy being eliminated.  And you could easily argue that if the government can mandate these particular vaccines they could mandate a lot of other things. It wouldn't be pleasant regardless of which party is in power..

What is health privacy?
Another right?
Who cares about your fu..ing blood count?
Do you want to know I had my teeth cleaned Thursday?
Who started all the paperwork about health care privacy anyway?
The lawyer's that's who.
Oh, the insurance so-called industry.
That's great.



Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2021, 03:45:46 PM
How 'bout that UCLA-MU game?

I say we get 'em next time, at our place. Shaka's gonna keep most of this past season's underclassmen, and bring in some nice reinforcements.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
Vaccines have been required for public schooling as long as I can remember.

Also, this isn't government mandating anything, it would be a private business deciding how to operate in such a way that keeps their clients safe and healthy. Whether we're talking about game attendance (you are free to watch on TV) or groceries (you are free to use Amazing Fresh or whatever delivery service you choose) there are options.

"Freedom" cuts both ways, and if you want to exercise the "freedom" to not do things to protect the public good, then the public should be equally "free" from the threats your unhealthy presence could create.

These people don't care about freedom, it is just their case.  Don't go for the bait.
There are names for them, I'll pass on name calling.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 03:47:51 PM
1. Slippery slope is a fallacy
2. Chances are, your health privacy already is eliminated in all sorts of ways. Have you attended school? Played sports? Going on Medicare when you retire?

Nobody has suggested mandatory vaccinations, keep in mind. Any nobody would be denied a constitutional right by not getting one. But things you don't have a right to ... flying commercial, going to a ball game, staying in a hotel ... then you may need to provide proof you aren't going to make those around you ill.

I think you can argue it's a slippery slope.  I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 03:49:29 PM
How 'bout that UCLA-MU game?

I say we get 'em next time, at our place. Shaka's gonna keep most of this past season's underclassmen, and bring in some nice reinforcements.

UCLA will likely be a top 5 preseason team.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
People with cell phones complaining about being "tracked" is one of my favorites.

Mine also.
How about the robo calls?
It's their constitutional right?
The founding fathers should have anticipated robo calls.
Then we have air rights, mineral rights, local ordances, property rights, animal rights, salvage rights, the trick is complexity.
Make everything too complex to understand.
Call centers, Blue-tooth headphones, airline schedules, even the fast food menues. 
Covid protocols, too complex.
Wear a mask, get a shot and prove it, to hell with useless arguments about the constitution.
It's just self serving people using the constitution against us, Americans, against ourselves.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Badgerhater on April 04, 2021, 03:59:46 PM
Not a problem. No one will care and someone else will get the tickets.

That is the great thing about the US, we have choices....yet
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 04:03:22 PM
I think you can argue it's a slippery slope.  I'll just leave it at that.

However, with that philosophy everything is a slippery slope.
If everything is a slipery slope, then nothing gets done.
Gridlock and the end of America.
There are no slippery slopes in China or the rest of the world.
We started talking about a great UCLA game next year and ended on a slippery slope.

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Badgerhater on April 04, 2021, 04:04:15 PM
Vaccines have been required for public schooling as long as I can remember.

Also, this isn't government mandating anything, it would be a private business deciding how to operate in such a way that keeps their clients safe and healthy. Whether we're talking about game attendance (you are free to watch on TV) or groceries (you are free to use Amazing Fresh or whatever delivery service you choose) there are options.

"Freedom" cuts both ways, and if you want to exercise the "freedom" to not do things to protect the public good, then the public should be equally "free" from the threats your unhealthy presence could create.

A passport to do things within the United States.....let’s have our elected leaders and public health folks think a little harder then that.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
A passport to do things within the United States.....let’s have our elected leaders and public health folks think a little harder then that.

WHY?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 04, 2021, 04:04:57 PM
A passport to do things within the United States.....let’s have our elected leaders and public health folks think a little harder then that.

Or people should just get vaccinated.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 04:06:06 PM
Or people should just get vaccinated.

Not if your game is to cause imaginary problems and gum up the works.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 04:09:31 PM
I am a strong believer in a LOYAL opposition, like England in WWII.
I strongly oppose obstancy, obstructionist behavior just for the sake of being the opposition.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Thing on April 04, 2021, 04:11:03 PM
Congratulations on ruining another thread. You people just suck.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Badgerhater on April 04, 2021, 04:15:53 PM
Or people should just get vaccinated.

Read my first post.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 04, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
Thanks for the compliment, Mr. The Thing,
The issue at hand is attendance at next years UCLA game.
Will there be restrictions imposed, if so what restrictions, and by whom?
Do fans have a right to not get a vaccination and attend?
Would a mandated "passport" be constitutional?
A discussion of the topic ahead, way ahead, of the game, may be of benefit, and fun for some of us.
You may see it differently, I understand that.
Tolerance for ambiguity is a learned skill.  In fact, tolerance is a learned skill or virtue.

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2021, 04:43:06 PM
UCLA will likely be a top 5 preseason team.

We'll see who transfers, who goes pro, who arrives.

I mean, at this time 2 years ago, we would soon be a highly ranked "too early for rankings" team. And then ... Hausershima.

Maybe there will be a Bruinshima, who knows?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: willie warrior on April 04, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
100%
Absolutely. Get rid of all the PC scam.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 04, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
Absolutely. Get rid of all the PC scam.

What scam?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Small Orange Soda on April 04, 2021, 04:55:29 PM
Absolutely. Get rid of all the PC scam.

What's the dirt on Cooley?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on April 04, 2021, 04:56:29 PM
All this for a virus you have a 99.8% chance of surviving
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 04, 2021, 05:04:07 PM
All this for a virus you have a 99.8% chance of surviving

A year later and people are STILL saying dumb crap like this...

Regardless I doubt there will be attendance limitations and I doubt there will be vaccine passports.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jockey on April 04, 2021, 05:06:47 PM
All this for a virus you have a 99.8% chance of surviving

Over 500,000 people had a 0% chance of surviving the virus.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 05:09:37 PM
There are no slippery slopes in China or the rest of the world.

Probably not the best example to use comrade...
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jockey on April 04, 2021, 05:10:29 PM
We'll see who transfers, who goes pro, who arrives.

I mean, at this time 2 years ago, we would soon be a highly ranked "too early for rankings" team. And then ... Hausershima.

Maybe there will be a Bruinshima, who knows?

He said top5 even if Juzang goes pro.  Not a chance of top 5, I think.

Jaquez is a nice player, Campbell isn't nearly as good as he played last night and so far they have only signed one guy. Rather than top 5 nationally, I think bottom 5 in the conference is more likely. Cronin is a great coach though, and could get them a couple extra wins.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 04, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
All this for a virus you have a 99.8% chance of surviving

(https://i.gifer.com/fxl5.gif)
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2021, 05:36:36 PM
He said top5 even if Juzang goes pro.  Not a chance of top 5, I think.

Jaquez is a nice player, Campbell isn't nearly as good as he played last night and so far they have only signed one guy. Rather than top 5 nationally, I think bottom 5 in the conference is more likely. Cronin is a great coach though, and could get them a couple extra wins.

That sounds like a pretty good assessment.

Playing well in the tournament, including last night's performance, might bring a few very good transfers to UCLA, though. Could reload fairly quickly, especially if Jaquez is still there. And if Juzang does stay (not likely) then could be great.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 05:45:10 PM
He said top5 even if Juzang goes pro.  Not a chance of top 5, I think.

Jaquez is a nice player, Campbell isn't nearly as good as he played last night and so far they have only signed one guy. Rather than top 5 nationally, I think bottom 5 in the conference is more likely. Cronin is a great coach though, and could get them a couple extra wins.

Disagree about Campbell.  He averaged 11 and 5.5, which is legit for a team that plays fairly slow.  And he was top 15 in the country in A/TO ratio.  He was first team All-PAC12 for a reason. And only a soph.  Juzang was the one who played out of his mind last night and all tourney compared to how he was.

I agree they aren’t gonna be top 5, especially if he JJ leaves.  However, they bring in a top 10 recruit at SF and another top 50 guy at SG.  If they bring in a decent transfer, they reload pretty hard.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: tower912 on April 04, 2021, 05:46:29 PM
Over 500,000 Americans had a 0% chance of surviving the virus.

FIFY
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2021, 05:49:26 PM
Disagree about Campbell.  He averaged 11 and 5.5, which is legit for a team that plays fairly slow.  And he was top 15 in the country in A/TO ratio.  He was first team All-PAC12 for a reason. And only a soph.  Juzang was the one who played out of his mind last night and all tourney compared to how he was.

I agree they aren’t gonna be top 5, especially if he JJ leaves.  However, they bring in a top 10 recruit at SF and another top 50 guy at SG.  If they bring in a decent transfer, they reload pretty hard.

Unfortunately for UCLA, whatever they are ranked they will fall hard after we kick their arses back to Westwood!
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: willie warrior on April 04, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
Amend the constitution.
Yeah. I am all for amending the constitution. Good luck with that. Would congress  and states approve. NO? So keep pushing for fiat by the court.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 04, 2021, 06:01:20 PM
Disagree about Campbell.  He averaged 11 and 5.5, which is legit for a team that plays fairly slow.  And he was top 15 in the country in A/TO ratio.  He was first team All-PAC12 for a reason. And only a soph.  Juzang was the one who played out of his mind last night and all tourney compared to how he was.

I agree they aren’t gonna be top 5, especially if he JJ leaves.  However, they bring in a top 10 recruit at SF and another top 50 guy at SG.  If they bring in a decent transfer, they reload pretty hard.

Riley, Jaquez, Campbell, and Bernard are all solid.  I assume they have a few decent recruits coming in as well as players that will improve.  Top 5 may be off but they will be formidable after we take them out in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 04, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
Riley, Jaquez, Campbell, and Bernard are all solid.  I assume they have a few decent recruits coming in as well as players that will improve.  Top 5 may be off but they will be formidable after we take them out in Milwaukee.


Yep. With or without Juzang, they're gonna be very good. Possibly the toughest game on our schedule.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jockey on April 04, 2021, 07:16:19 PM
Disagree about Campbell.  He averaged 11 and 5.5, which is legit for a team that plays fairly slow.  And he was top 15 in the country in A/TO ratio.  He was first team All-PAC12 for a reason. And only a soph.  Juzang was the one who played out of his mind last night and all tourney compared to how he was.

I agree they aren’t gonna be top 5, especially if he JJ leaves.  However, they bring in a top 10 recruit at SF and another top 50 guy at SG.  If they bring in a decent transfer, they reload pretty hard.

I agree that Campbell is a nice player. I just said he is not as good as he played last night - the best game of his career. But, he is a decent hi-major PG.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
I agree that Campbell is a nice player. I just said he is not as good as he played last night - the best game of his career. But, he is a decent hi-major PG.

It wasn’t even statistically his best game of the season.  And not sure why a young player stepping up in a big moment, after a very good season and tourney, is deemed “not as good as he played”.  I guess we defer on “decent high major” if that’s what we are calling sophomores making first team all conference.  If he played for MU, put up those numbers and got first team All-BE, we’d be delirious with praise and optimism/excitement.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Herman Cain on April 04, 2021, 07:39:31 PM
Riley, Jaquez, Campbell, and Bernard are all solid.  I assume they have a few decent recruits coming in as well as players that will improve.  Top 5 may be off but they will be formidable after we take them out in Milwaukee.
I really enjoy watching Jaquez play .  He is a very fundamentally solid college player. He goes hard on every single possession. He is sort of a modern day Mike O'Koren.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Johnny B on April 04, 2021, 07:40:19 PM
burnin through the night ehh. 200 defress thats why they call me mr farenheight. im travekin at the speejd of light
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: oldwarrior81 on April 04, 2021, 07:40:33 PM
Just think if Tyger would have stuck with his original commitment to DePaul.

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: herboturbo on April 04, 2021, 07:40:43 PM
I believe the UNC game in 2000 was a one time thing. UNC was never scheduled to return the game.

I vaguely remember that UNC bought out the return game in 2002 because that was the year they were really really bad under doherty
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: warriorstrack on April 04, 2021, 08:16:22 PM
What's the dirt on Cooley?

What’s the poop on Palomino?  It’s a deep take, sorry to those outside the loop.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: naginiF on April 04, 2021, 08:28:36 PM
Just think if Tyger would have stuck with his original commitment to DePaul.
There was a solid 45 seconds of DePaul (and Westwood v Loop) bashing by the crew when discussing his college choice
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: willie warrior on April 04, 2021, 08:48:08 PM
All this for a virus you have a 99.8% chance of surviving
This
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jay Bee on April 04, 2021, 09:24:02 PM
Disagree about Campbell.  He averaged 11 and 5.5, which is legit for a team that plays fairly slow.  And he was top 15 in the country in A/TO ratio.  He was first team All-PAC12 for a reason. And only a soph.  Juzang was the one who played out of his mind last night and all tourney compared to how he was.

I agree they aren’t gonna be top 5, especially if he JJ leaves.  However, they bring in a top 10 recruit at SF and another top 50 guy at SG.  If they bring in a decent transfer, they reload pretty hard.

Not sure there is any relevance to ppg or apg stats... or A/TO for that matter. Campbell, who turned 21 in January, is old for his sophomore classification.

He shot a putrid 46.0% eFG% this year after an almost unthinkable 40.8% mark last season. Career 26.2% 3FG% guy on 160 attempts. He's very good at making bad shots (e.g., long twos), but that's relative to other players taking the same shot.... which doesn't make it a helpful thing for him individual or the team.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2021, 09:27:46 PM
Just think if Tyger would have stuck with his original commitment to DePaul.

DePaul would have still sucked, and Tyger would have played in as many Final Fours as any of us.

burnin through the night ehh. 200 defress thats why they call me mr farenheight. im travekin at the speejd of light

I remember my first beer.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Nukem2 on April 04, 2021, 09:33:33 PM
Not sure there is any relevance to ppg or apg stats... or A/TO for that matter. Campbell, who turned 21 in January, is old for his sophomore classification.

He shot a putrid 46.0% eFG% this year after an almost unthinkable 40.8% mark last season. Career 26.2% 3FG% guy on 160 attempts. He's very good at making bad shots (e.g., long twos), but that's relative to other players taking the same shot.... which doesn't make it a helpful thing for him individual or the team.
Sometimes all those #s mean diddlysquat.  Tyger was an absolute force last night.  Any #s you might put up are meaningless.  UCLA was there at the end cuz of Tyger.  Just the bottom line.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jay Bee on April 04, 2021, 09:39:34 PM
Sometimes all those #s mean diddlysquat.  Tyger was an absolute force last night.  Any #s you might put up are meaningless.  UCLA was there at the end cuz of Tyger.  Just the bottom line.

Oh, his numbers last night were great. The numbers mean a lot. Always.

I was talking about his SEASONS. The long history we have of his production and abilities. Lots of guys can look great in certain games. Just the bottom line.

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Nukem2 on April 04, 2021, 09:45:35 PM
Oh, his numbers last night were great. The numbers mean a lot. Always.

I was talking about his SEASONS. The long history we have of his production and abilities. Lots of guys can look great in certain games. Just the bottom line.
I was speaking to last night.  Listen up here.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jay Bee on April 04, 2021, 09:51:12 PM
I was speaking to last night.  Listen up here.

No, our conversation started when you replied to me commenting that season long ppg and apg games no matta, and then went into his season and career stats.

But, if we want to change the topic to last night - yeah, he was great.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Nukem2 on April 04, 2021, 09:54:28 PM
No, our conversation started when you replied to me commenting that season long ppg and apg games no matta, and then went into his season and career stats.

But, if we want to change the topic to last night - yeah, he was great.
What I said.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 09:58:20 PM
Oh, his numbers last night were great. The numbers mean a lot. Always.

I was talking about his SEASONS. The long history we have of his production and abilities. Lots of guys can look great in certain games. Just the bottom line.

Then what stats matter for a PG to not sh*t on the guy?  He is a playmaking point guard, not a score first shooter.  He doesn’t turn it over a bunch. I think that’s perfectly relevant.

Yeah  He’s a terrible 3 point shooter.  That’s well established.  But he he doesn’t chuck from deep and still manages to shoot nearly 50% inside the arc.

And I’m not saying he’s a 19 year old soph like Markus, but he just hasn’t played a ton of a games to act like the book is out on him.  He was a beast last night, but it’s not like he had some uncharacteristic Jean Felix explosion.  I can’t believe the narrative on a first team all conference guy who played huge when it counted last night and was also good against Bama and Michigan is “well he’s not as good as he played”.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jay Bee on April 04, 2021, 10:25:41 PM
Lol, I’m not sh1tting on him, just the idea of him being on UCLA next year would be a huge piece of them being a top 5 team
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2021, 10:37:20 PM
Call me skeptical about UCLA being a top 5 team next year, especially without Juzang.
They had a fantastic run through the tourney, but their placement in the First Four wasn't wildly out of line. And it required a collapse by Sparty for them to get out of the First Four. Not to take anything away from them - again, epic run - but I wouldn't assume it carries over into a new season.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: keefe on April 04, 2021, 10:48:39 PM
Call me skeptical about UCLA being a top 5 team next year, especially without Juzang.
They had a fantastic run through the tourney, but their placement in the First Four wasn't wildly out of line. And it required a collapse by Sparty for them to get out of the First Four. Not to take anything away from them - again, epic run - but I wouldn't assume it carries over into a new season.

If they are Top 5 it's because Cronin is a helluva coach. I think he was a great hire by them.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JWags85 on April 04, 2021, 11:05:28 PM
Lol, I’m not sh1tting on him, just the idea of him being on UCLA next year would be a huge piece of them being a top 5 team

FWIW, I don’t think UCLA will be anywhere near top 5 next year, especially without Juzang.  My whole stance came from saying Campbell is better than a “decent” PG and also that UCLA is more likely to be bottom 5 than top 5 in the P12
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: CountryRoads on April 04, 2021, 11:15:53 PM
FWIW, I don’t think UCLA will be anywhere near top 5 next year, especially without Juzang.  My whole stance came from saying Campbell is better than a “decent” PG and also that UCLA is more likely to be bottom 5 than top 5 in the P12

Agreed, I think the brakes should be pumped on calling UCLA a top team next year (though the preseason rankings will have them up there). Had they lost one more game (to us?) they would have likely been out and Cronins seat would be red hot heading into next year. He’s a really good coach though IMO and I’m excited to attend that game this fall.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2021, 11:39:14 PM
Agreed, I think the brakes should be pumped on calling UCLA a top team next year (though the preseason rankings will have them up there). Had they lost one more game (to us?) they would have likely been out and Cronins seat would be red hot heading into next year. He’s a really good coach though IMO and I’m excited to attend that game this fall.

That's true. It's kinda funny how one December result can change things.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: vogue65 on April 05, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
Hate to be a curmudgeon, I really do.
UCLA lost to Lady Luck.
I'm all in for Gonzaga tonight, Lady be with us tonight.

Do the so-called statistical models include random numbers to allow for luck?  Or some other methodology?

By the numbers typically used Gonzaga wins tonight and if they lose we have cover saying it was only the  probability.  Then we judge coaches on their win / lost record.  We might as well judge them like General Eisenhower on their coefficient of luck.

What are the variables tonight?

Injury, ref. calls, Baylor 3 point success rate based on hormone loading, individual matchups, intimidation, style match up, etc.. 

Sorry, I'll shut up.


Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: 79Warrior on April 05, 2021, 12:54:04 PM
If they are Top 5 it's because Cronin is a helluva coach. I think he was a great hire by them.

Dude can coach, no doubt about that. He is also a very good recruiter. UCLA has found their guy.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 05, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
I like Mick Cronin, but let's not pretend he's John Wooden or anything.  Prior to this season, he made it past the first weekend once as a coach.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 05, 2021, 01:05:39 PM
I like Mick Cronin, but let's not pretend he's John Wooden or anything.  Prior to this season, he made it past the first weekend once as a coach.


Definitely not John Wooden. But he is a very good coach, and the UCLA campus and history could turn him into a much better recruiter than he ever would have been at Cincinnati. If he can deal with the outsized expectations, he could have a nice run there.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Golden Avalanche on April 05, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
I like Mick Cronin, but let's not pretend he's John Wooden or anything.  Prior to this season, he made it past the first weekend once as a coach.

Exactly.

Great run but it came in a Covid year with a tremendously imbalanced competition across every conference and that was most glaringly obvious during this tournament. Looks like an outlier much more than a regular occurrence. 
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: cheese ball chaser on April 05, 2021, 04:00:32 PM
Exactly.

Great run but it came in a Covid year with a tremendously imbalanced competition across every conference and that was most glaringly obvious during this tournament. Looks like an outlier much more than a regular occurrence.

Stop trying to discredit the guy. Look, I hate Cronin as much as anyone but let's not chalk it up to "luck" or pretend that what he did this year wasn't impressive.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 05, 2021, 04:07:09 PM
Stop trying to discredit the guy. Look, I hate Cronin as much as anyone but let's not chalk it up to "luck" or pretend that what he did this year wasn't impressive.


I like Mick Cronin.  (Why would anyone hate him?)  And I think his run this tournament has been good, but I need to see more evidence to suggest that it wasn't an outlier.  That's all.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jay Bee on April 05, 2021, 04:27:26 PM
Stop trying to discredit the guy. Look, I hate Cronin as much as anyone but let's not chalk it up to "luck" or pretend that what he did this year wasn't impressive.

Yes. Going 0-4 leading up to the tourney, then needing an improbable comeback to make it out of the First Four is the stuff legends are made of. All praise mick.

They went on a nice run and shot ridiculously well while taking low quality shots. Build the statue.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2021, 04:28:36 PM

I like Mick Cronin.  (Why would anyone hate him?)  And I think his run this tournament has been good, but I need to see more evidence to suggest that it wasn't an outlier.  That's all.

I hate him, tbh. 
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: 79Warrior on April 05, 2021, 07:05:07 PM
Yes. Going 0-4 leading up to the tourney, then needing an improbable comeback to make it out of the First Four is the stuff legends are made of. All praise mick.

They went on a nice run and shot ridiculously well while taking low quality shots. Build the statue.

So what? How well did MU play going into the NCAA tourney in 1977? We just barely got a bid. Cronin did a great job.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Carl Spackler on April 05, 2021, 08:44:54 PM
Our constitution is like an autoimune disease.
I have an autoimune disease, my body works against itself.
Our system works against our country.
It's like using the rules to stop work and progress.

our constitution is whats makes the US great. 
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 05, 2021, 09:12:43 PM
Hate to be a curmudgeon, I really do.
UCLA lost to Lady Luck.
I'm all in for Gonzaga tonight, Lady be with us tonight.

Do the so-called statistical models include random numbers to allow for luck?  Or some other methodology?

By the numbers typically used Gonzaga wins tonight and if they lose we have cover saying it was only the  probability.  Then we judge coaches on their win / lost record.  We might as well judge them like General Eisenhower on their coefficient of luck.

What are the variables tonight?

Injury, ref. calls, Baylor 3 point success rate based on hormone loading, individual matchups, intimidation, style match up, etc.. 

Sorry, I'll shut up.

Tired legs.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: brewcity77 on April 05, 2021, 09:30:37 PM
our constitution is whats makes the US great.

It really isn't. Would be far better if it were regularly updated. The idea that a document largely written 240+ years ago is still interpreted today like the 10 Commandments is a poor way to govern.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MDMU04 on April 05, 2021, 09:56:56 PM
Not if your game is to cause imaginary problems and gum up the works.

Your papers, please
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on April 05, 2021, 10:57:13 PM
It really isn't. Would be far better if it were regularly updated. The idea that a document largely written 240+ years ago is still interpreted today like the 10 Commandments is a poor way to govern.
Totally disagree. Imagine if the cancel culture had free rein for example. The Constitution is what makes us unique in the world and where most would live if given the chance because it exists
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Pakuni on April 05, 2021, 11:27:53 PM
Totally disagree. Imagine if the cancel culture had free rein for example. The Constitution is what makes us unique in the world and where most would live if given the chance because it exists

No, the Constitution doesn't make us unique. Literally dozens of countries have constitutions.
And there is within the Constitution a mechanism for updating the Constitution.  It's how we got 27 amendments.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 05, 2021, 11:28:26 PM
Totally disagree. Imagine if the cancel culture had free rein for example. The Constitution is what makes us unique in the world and where most would live if given the chance because it exists

13th Amendment was a big success for cancel culture.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 05, 2021, 11:30:12 PM
cancel culture

Absolutely, it's terrible that some in the GQP tried to cancel Liz Cheney and other Republican patriots who voted to uphold the principles of our great democratic republic.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Brian0230 on April 06, 2021, 02:35:23 AM
 though not basketball related, I am compelled to provide some context here. 

Arbitration is required because companies insert mandatory arbitration clauses into their contracts preventing you from eve suing in court...not because courts are too busy.  Courts are busy, but that is for other reasons.  Arbitration is in almost every consumer contract (credit card, auto sale, bank account, etc) . That means you cannot sue the business in court, a private company paid (mostly by the business you are suing) decides your case. 

Most of the litigation on the docket is debt collectors suing individuals.  That is more then 25% of all cases in most counties.  Litigation has actually decreased significantly  over the last 20 years, at least as far as torts (how you are describing it).  There has been an increase in family law matters and collection cases exploded as business started using courts as a means to collect.  That is where u have seen an increase in litigation.

Hopefully that helps with any confusion.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 06, 2021, 02:57:43 AM
Absolutely, it's terrible that some in the GQP tried to cancel Liz Cheney and other Republican patriots who voted to uphold the principles of our great democratic republic.

When the $$military-industrial-complex$$ darlings known as the Cheney family are cited by liberals for heroism and patriotism, you know things are asQew.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 06, 2021, 07:53:31 AM
It really isn't. Would be far better if it were regularly updated. The idea that a document largely written 240+ years ago is still interpreted today like the 10 Commandments is a poor way to govern.


It doesn't need to be regularly updated, it needs to be interpreted in modern context.  Determining the intent of the authors is where the logic breaks down for me.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MDMU04 on April 06, 2021, 08:00:21 AM
This thread is objectively awful
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Scoop Snoop on April 06, 2021, 08:19:14 AM
This thread is objectively awful

My apologies for inadvertently playing a part in derailing the thread. Muggsy wrote about businesses being able to make decisions mostly without interference (my interpretation of his remarks) and also about a covid passport being unconstitutional. Having founded a small manufacturing company, I can tell you  first hand that there are a many government regulations that I had to comply with so I corrected him. I also stated that saying something is unconstitutional does not make it so. Like it or not, only the US Supreme Court can do that. I was not taking a shot at Muggsy or giving him a rough time and had no intention whatsoever in starting this forest fire.

So- Mea Culpa. Can we please get this thread back on track?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: lawdog77 on April 06, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
UCLA, one of the early favorites to win
[url]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31201246/even-deflating-loss-baylor-gonzaga-betting-favorite-win-2022-men-basketball-title[/url
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 06, 2021, 09:33:57 AM
UCLA, one of the early favorites to win
[url]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31201246/even-deflating-loss-baylor-gonzaga-betting-favorite-win-2022-men-basketball-title[/url


Hard to tell from the article, but it seems to imply that the odds assume Juzang is returning.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: brewcity77 on April 06, 2021, 09:49:12 AM
Imagine if the cancel culture had free rein for example.

The last thing anyone wants is the party that has tried to cancel Delta Airlines, Major League Baseball, Coca-Cola, Harley-Davidson, "Woke Companies", Goodyear Tire, Megan Kelly, Rolling Stone, Glenfiddich, Oreo Cookies, Apple, all Apple products, Mexico (the entire country), Italy (the entire country), CNN, AT&T, Macy's, HBO, Jonah Goldberg from National Review, Univision, Charles Krauthammer, Karl Rove, newspapers in Dallas and Arizona, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal editorial board, Young Pharoah, GOP House members Tom Rice, Dan Newhouse, Adam Kinzinger, Anthony Gonzalez, Fred Upton, Jaime Herrera-Beutler, Peter Meijer, John Katko, David Valadao, GOP Senators Richard Burr, Bill Cassidy, Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Ben Sasse, and Pat Toomey, and an entire presidential election having free rein.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: brewcity77 on April 06, 2021, 09:53:56 AM
UCLA made a great run, but I feel like the idea of them being #1/2 next year is just based on their tourney run. This is still an 11-seed that barely made the tournament and was very close to getting knocked out in the first four. Is anyone mentioning them even in the top-10 if they don't get a bid or come back against Sparty?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: panda on April 06, 2021, 10:14:44 AM
UCLA made a great run, but I feel like the idea of them being #1/2 next year is just based on their tourney run. This is still an 11-seed that barely made the tournament and was very close to getting knocked out in the first four. Is anyone mentioning them even in the top-10 if they don't get a bid or come back against Sparty?

They’re bringing in two top 50 guys and returning the majority of their team. Even better if Juzang comes back. Top 5 is somewhat ambitious, but they’ll be a top tier P12 team and top 25 for sure.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: brewcity77 on April 06, 2021, 10:19:24 AM
They’re bringing in two top 50 guys and returning the majority of their team. Even better if Juzang comes back. Top 5 is somewhat ambitious, but they’ll be a top tier P12 team and top 25 for sure.

Top-25 I agree with. Even top-15 if Juzang is back. But they were 44th in kenpom going into the tourney and had to overcome a 14-point deficit just to play past the First Four. Having them 1/2 is total prisoner of the moment stuff.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 06, 2021, 10:43:03 AM
Top-25 I agree with. Even top-15 if Juzang is back. But they were 44th in kenpom going into the tourney and had to overcome a 14-point deficit just to play past the First Four. Having them 1/2 is total prisoner of the moment stuff.

I could see Askew joining their roster next year. West coast kid from Mater Dei. Seems like the right fit. Would make them a tough matchup with both him and Juzang there.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 06, 2021, 11:39:03 AM
Totally disagree. Imagine if the cancel culture had free rein for example. The Constitution is what makes us unique in the world and where most would live if given the chance because it exists

Hahahahahahaha either this guy has never been out of the country or is stuck in 1950. Or both.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: dgies9156 on April 06, 2021, 03:50:34 PM
Since the "off-the-subject" part of this tread is the government's ability to compel people to be vaccinated for Covid-19, I'd like to relate a real-life story that played out in my first year out of Marquette.

At the time, I was a reporter for a daily in Western Illinois. First job and all. One day, one of our regional correspondents sent in a handwritten note indicating the Westmer School District was attempting to get their arms around how many of their students had polio shots. A short investigation into the matter found that there were quite a few anti-vaxers in Western Mercer County, IL (it's OK if you don't know where Mercer County is -- it's slogan is "It's Worser in Mercer."). Some of us in the newsroom were old enough to remember what polio did to people and all of us were aware of President Franklin Roosevelt's struggles.

We called the State of Illinois for reaction. The state's move was swift and strong. The schools would be closed to anyone without a polio shot. Plus, the State sent a DPH official to Western Mercer County to enforce its mandates. The result was that for any child that didn't have clear evidence of a polio shot, they got one. There was never a polio outbreak in Western Mercer because of swift state action.

Look, I'm no "Progressive" and certainly not a liberal, but there are certain things the state and federal government do that's in our best interest -- and those of our fellow man and woman. We've wiped out many of the childhood diseases I had -- think mumps, multiple varieties of measles, chicken pox to name a few -- because of public and private efforts to make us free of disease. Problems that made my childhood at times problematic can now be treated with medications.

I don't understand the big frickin deal about getting Covid-19 shots. I'm writing this as I am a bit lethargic due to my second Covid-19 shot. It if keeps me from getting this awful disease, saves me and my insurer thousands in treatment costs and ensures I don't pass this crap on to my fellow men and women, the God-love-'em, line me up!

As Catholics and Christians, we owe this to our fellow persons, don't ya think?

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: naginiF on April 06, 2021, 03:57:51 PM
.........
As Catholics and Christians, we owe this to our fellow persons, don't ya think?
as an atheist and someone who understands a functioning society relies on people helping each other and being kind i agree.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: dgies9156 on April 06, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
as an atheist and someone who understands a functioning society relies on people helping each other and being kind i agree.

You are absolutely right. Even if you don’t buy into the first half of the Great Commandment, the second about loving your neighbor as yourself ensures an orderly and pleasant society.

Again, I don’t get the anti-vaxers. The cost of sticking to a hard core, culturally defiant attitude about medicine because the government urges it is so incredibly stupid that it defies reason.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 06, 2021, 07:31:35 PM
Nice conversation, dgies and naginiF. Thanks for showing respect to each other and making good points.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: The Thing on April 06, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 06, 2021, 08:09:55 PM
Since the "off-the-subject" part of this tread is the government's ability to compel people to be vaccinated for Covid-19, I'd like to relate a real-life story that played out in my first year out of Marquette.

At the time, I was a reporter for a daily in Western Illinois. First job and all. One day, one of our regional correspondents sent in a handwritten note indicating the Westmer School District was attempting to get their arms around how many of their students had polio shots. A short investigation into the matter found that there were quite a few anti-vaxers in Western Mercer County, IL (it's OK if you don't know where Mercer County is -- it's slogan is "It's Worser in Mercer."). Some of us in the newsroom were old enough to remember what polio did to people and all of us were aware of President Franklin Roosevelt's struggles.

We called the State of Illinois for reaction. The state's move was swift and strong. The schools would be closed to anyone without a polio shot. Plus, the State sent a DPH official to Western Mercer County to enforce its mandates. The result was that for any child that didn't have clear evidence of a polio shot, they got one. There was never a polio outbreak in Western Mercer because of swift state action.

Look, I'm no "Progressive" and certainly not a liberal, but there are certain things the state and federal government do that's in our best interest -- and those of our fellow man and woman. We've wiped out many of the childhood diseases I had -- think mumps, multiple varieties of measles, chicken pox to name a few -- because of public and private efforts to make us free of disease. Problems that made my childhood at times problematic can now be treated with medications.

I don't understand the big frickin deal about getting Covid-19 shots. I'm writing this as I am a bit lethargic due to my second Covid-19 shot. It if keeps me from getting this awful disease, saves me and my insurer thousands in treatment costs and ensures I don't pass this crap on to my fellow men and women, the God-love-'em, line me up!

As Catholics and Christians, we owe this to our fellow persons, don't ya think?

Cheers
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Viper on April 07, 2021, 06:15:26 AM
The last thing anyone wants is the party that has tried to cancel Delta Airlines, Major League Baseball, Coca-Cola, Harley-Davidson, "Woke Companies", Goodyear Tire, Megan Kelly, Rolling Stone, Glenfiddich, Oreo Cookies, Apple, all Apple products, Mexico (the entire country), Italy (the entire country), CNN, AT&T, Macy's, HBO, Jonah Goldberg from National Review, Univision, Charles Krauthammer, Karl Rove, newspapers in Dallas and Arizona, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal editorial board, Young Pharoah, GOP House members Tom Rice, Dan Newhouse, Adam Kinzinger, Anthony Gonzalez, Fred Upton, Jaime Herrera-Beutler, Peter Meijer, John Katko, David Valadao, GOP Senators Richard Burr, Bill Cassidy, Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Ben Sasse, and Pat Toomey, and an entire presidential election having free rein.
every gop politician you’ve mentioned have cancelled themselves. Mitt Romney...a special kind of terd. Adam Kinzinger...rimming. Next time you fly...to Mexico, no doubt, have your ID ready. To Vote? Forgetaboutit.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 07, 2021, 06:27:54 AM
every gop politician you’ve mentioned have cancelled themselves. Mitt Romney...a special kind of terd. Adam Kinzinger...rimming. Next time you fly...to Mexico, no doubt, have your ID ready. To Vote? Forgetaboutit.

UCLA sucks
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 07, 2021, 06:47:50 AM
every gop politician you’ve mentioned have cancelled themselves. Mitt Romney...a special kind of terd. Adam Kinzinger...rimming. Next time you fly...to Mexico, no doubt, have your ID ready. To Vote? Forgetaboutit.
This is spectacular.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: real chili 83 on April 07, 2021, 07:30:54 AM
What a cluster.

IBFTL
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: dgies9156 on April 07, 2021, 08:52:06 AM
Nice conversation, dgies and naginiF. Thanks for showing respect to each other and making good points.

From what I can tell, there are many issues where Brother NaginiF and I disagree. But the common bond we have is the responsibility to treat each other respectfully and to hear each other out. If we understand each other, we find consensus in mutual respect, even if we disagree on how to attain a specific goal.

We're on opposite sides of this God thing, but the core belief we both have, if I can put words in both of our mouths, is that we're all equal in the eyes of our government and we do certain things because we care about each other.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 07, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
I doubt UCLA pulls out early.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 07, 2021, 08:53:46 AM
I doubt UCLA pulls out early.

This joke has been Bruin for a while.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: naginiF on April 07, 2021, 09:08:33 AM
From what I can tell, there are many issues where Brother NaginiF and I disagree. But the common bond we have is the responsibility to treat each other respectfully and to hear each other out. If we understand each other, we find consensus in mutual respect, even if we disagree on how to attain a specific goal.

We're on opposite sides of this God thing, but the core belief we both have, if I can put words in both of our mouths, is that we're all equal in the eyes of our government and we do certain things because we care about each other.
Agree - I've found there's very little difference in thought and action between a christian (or follower of any religion) who is truly faithful and an atheist that is truly thoughtful.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: naginiF on April 07, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
They’re bringing in two top 50 guys and returning the majority of their team. Even better if Juzang comes back. Top 5 is somewhat ambitious, but they’ll be a top tier P12 team and top 25 for sure.
To support your point the final AP Coaches poll had them at #7 after their final four run.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 07, 2021, 09:16:34 AM

Agree - I've found there's very little difference in thought and action between a christian (or follower of any religion) who is truly faithful and an atheist that is truly thoughtful.



My feelings exactly.

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Viper on April 07, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
This is spectacular.
you the man!!
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 07, 2021, 09:36:30 PM
Andy Katz has UCLA at No. 1 in his "too early Power 36" look.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-04-06/way-too-early-power-36-rankings-2021-22-college-basketball-season?fbclid=IwAR3l3LYUwv6SV7yw5zMZwn6I3O4tpAAG-dykQYYyhwWTvUHm0dSAknvdOGY

The Bruins had no senior contributors on a Final Four team. Mick Cronin has built a culture of winning, defense and toughness.

They also barely made the 2021 NCAA tournament -- meaning they weren't in the committee's "Power 36" this past season -- but whatevs.

He has Texas at No. 27, saying: Chris Beard. That’s all the information you need. He will put together a winning roster.

In addition to his Power 36, he has 16 teams listed as "Under Consideration," including Notre Dame, UConn, Seton Hall and Stan's LMU team.

Marquette ... nowhere to be seen. I guess he's not as impressed with Shaka as Jim Rome is.

I am looking forward to Katz writing next year about MU having been "overlooked" ... and forgetting to mention that he was one of the overlookers!

Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: Jay Bee on April 07, 2021, 09:40:25 PM
Last August he had his Becky at #6. Lol

Not the brightest dude when it comes to college basketball tbh
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
Andy Katz has UCLA at No. 1 in his "too early Power 36" look.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-04-06/way-too-early-power-36-rankings-2021-22-college-basketball-season?fbclid=IwAR3l3LYUwv6SV7yw5zMZwn6I3O4tpAAG-dykQYYyhwWTvUHm0dSAknvdOGY

The Bruins had no senior contributors on a Final Four team. Mick Cronin has built a culture of winning, defense and toughness.

They also barely made the 2021 NCAA tournament -- meaning they weren't in the committee's "Power 36" this past season -- but whatevs.

He has Texas at No. 27, saying: Chris Beard. That’s all the information you need. He will put together a winning roster.

In addition to his Power 36, he has 16 teams listed as "Under Consideration," including Notre Dame, UConn, Seton Hall and Stan's LMU team.

Marquette ... nowhere to be seen. I guess he's not as impressed with Shaka as Jim Rome is.

I am looking forward to Katz writing next year about MU having been "overlooked" ... and forgetting to mention that he was one of the overlookers!

But of course I was attacked when I stated top 5.  We will never be free until shortism is abolished.  :)
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 07, 2021, 09:42:38 PM
But of course I was attacked when I stated top 5.  We will never be free until shortism is abolished.  :)

OK, Muggs. I give you credit for being just about as wrong as Katz!
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 09:46:19 PM
OK, Muggs. I give you credit for being just about as wrong as Katz!

Ha!!  If you give me a good Kreplach soup recipe I will forgive you.  That's the bomb... but seems rather difficult to make.

Kreplach >  Matzo Ball?
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on April 07, 2021, 09:52:38 PM
The last thing anyone wants is the party that has tried to cancel Delta Airlines, Major League Baseball, Coca-Cola, Harley-Davidson, "Woke Companies", Goodyear Tire, Megan Kelly, Rolling Stone, Glenfiddich, Oreo Cookies, Apple, all Apple products,


Mexico (the entire country), Italy (the








 entire country), CNN, AT&T, Macy's, HBO, Jonah Goldberg from National Review, Univision, Charles Krauthammer, Karl Rove, newspapers in Dallas and Arizona, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal editorial board, Young Pharoah, GOP House members Tom Rice, Dan Newhouse, Adam Kinzinger, Anthony Gonzalez, Fred Upton, Jaime Herrera-Beutler, Peter Meijer, John Katko, David Valadao, GOP Senators Richard Burr, Bill Cassidy, Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Ben Sasse, and Pat Toomey, and an entire presidential election having free rein.

This sounds like a Billy Joel song
Take a breath
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: JWags85 on April 07, 2021, 10:01:55 PM
Looks like Katz took about 15 min to write that article.  Hilariously low effort
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 10:08:09 PM
Looks like Katz took about 15 min to write that article.  Hilariously low effort

He's not particularly good.....

but that doesn't mean he's always wrong.  :)
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 07, 2021, 10:46:29 PM
Looks like Katz took about 15 min to write that article.  Hilariously low effort


Katz gonna be Katz.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: cheebs09 on April 07, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Last August he had his Becky at #6. Lol

Not the brightest dude when it comes to college basketball tbh

I blame his education.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 07, 2021, 11:12:17 PM
I blame his education.


A lesson in what can happen if you don’t invest in your future…
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 07, 2021, 11:21:09 PM
Ha!!  If you give me a good Kreplach soup recipe I will forgive you.  That's the bomb... but seems rather difficult to make.

Kreplach >  Matzo Ball?

My mom won the award for Worst Matzo Ball Soup By Jewish Mother. My wife, a gentile ... she makes good soup.
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
My mom won the award for Worst Matzo Ball Soup By Jewish Mother. My wife, a gentile ... she makes good soup.

I have a very close friend who was raised  Orthodox and I sat through a Seder.  That was a little tough but his grandma dropped the hammer with some of those courses.  All I know is I was ready to eat about 1/10 of the way through.  I'm not being hyperbolic, it took forever.  Is there not a time limit MU82?
 
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2021, 07:00:47 AM
I have a very close friend who was raised  Orthodox and I sat through a Seder.  That was a little tough but his grandma dropped the hammer with some of those courses.  All I know is I was ready to eat about 1/10 of the way through.  I'm not being hyperbolic, it took forever.  Is there not a time limit MU82?
 

No, there is not, Muggs. I love the question, though. Made me laugh.

If you think an Orthodox seder took forever, you should be a kid trying to sit through a Yom Kippur service. Because of the history of the Jewish people, I will not use a word like "torture," but you get the idea!
Title: Re: UCLA/MU Next Year
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 08, 2021, 09:13:01 AM
I doubt UCLA pulls out early.



Knot an eazy thin' ta due, hey?