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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: #UnleashSean on April 03, 2021, 07:42:03 AM
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Guess it's time to make a thread dedicated to this.
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CDC's current list of 'variants of concern' ((1) increased transmissibility, (2) increased severity and hospitalizations, and/or (3) resistance to antibody/plasma treatments):
* B.1.1.7 (UK)
* P.1 (Brazil)
* B.1.351 (South Africa)
* B.1.427 (US/California)
* B.1.429 (US/California)
Currently, there are no 'variants of high consequence' (which, most notably, might include a significant reduction in vaccine effectiveness).
One of the primary goals of continued masking protocols even after vaccination of high-risk people is the prevention of the development of these latter variants. If a variant of high consequence develops and begins to spread, all bets are off. That is why breakouts among school kids or college students are a big deal.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/variant-surveillance/variant-info.html#Concern
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What P.1 is doing in Brazil is so incredibly sad and scary.
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What P.1 is doing in Brazil is so incredibly sad and scary.
Agreed. Just devastating. And P.1.1.7 is ravaging France, Poland and several other European countries.
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Agreed. Just devastating. And P.1.1.7 is ravaging France, Poland and several other European countries.
I keep hearing Poland updates from my in-laws and it's a mess.
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India double mutant variation now found in California.
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Interesting article showing how the states with the highest proportion of the B.1.1.7 variant are seeing the largest increases in cases. Michigan leads the pack, but B.1.1.7-fueled increases are beginning in Minnesota, Florida and several other states.
Also some info on regional variants across the US, like the B.1.526 variant (first seen in NY) fueling cases in the northeast, and the B.1.427/B.1.428 variant (first seen in CA) spreading to AZ.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/06/us/variants-cases-spread.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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What’s the norm (is there one?) for variant reporting?? My test results just say positive for SARS-CoV-2, but there is no variant info.
Minnesota is using Vault Health to test... does the lab they use determine variants & tell the state? Is that a diff process they use to determine variants, and do they only do it on positives?
I’m just curious which flavor I have
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What’s the norm (is there one?) for variant reporting?? My test results just say positive for SARS-CoV-2, but there is no variant info.
Minnesota is using Vault Health to test... does the lab they use determine variants & tell the state? Is that a diff process they use to determine variants, and do they only do it on positives?
I’m just curious which flavor I have
Xenophobe.
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What’s the norm (is there one?) for variant reporting?? My test results just say positive for SARS-CoV-2, but there is no variant info.
Minnesota is using Vault Health to test... does the lab they use determine variants & tell the state? Is that a diff process they use to determine variants, and do they only do it on positives?
I’m just curious which flavor I have
Genetic sequencing is not performed on every sample, and the location of the sequencing is a hodgepodge of state, local and private labs. As a result, I am not sure it is possible to know which flavor you have.
At this point, I think CDC has its hands full with tracking big–picture trends, so I would be surprised if we see any meaningful coordination that leads to individual reporting of variants.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00564-4
Part of the challenge is the decentralized nature of US coronavirus sequencing and surveillance efforts. “Right now it’s individual labs or states or cities doing their part,” says David Ho, a virologist at Columbia University in New York City, whose team last week identified a variant in the city with a mutation that could compromise immune responses. As a result of this piecemeal effort, states such as New York, California and Washington have contributed thousands of sequences each, while others such as Iowa, Tennessee and New Hampshire have obtained sequences from far fewer of their COVID cases.
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/10/who-classifies-triple-mutant-covid-variant-from-india-as-global-health-risk-.html
Pandemic 2 electric boogaloo
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Which is why we must vaccinate.
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Which is why we must vaccinate.
Pace is too slow globally. US putting money before lives... like always.
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What’s the norm (is there one?) for variant reporting?? My test results just say positive for SARS-CoV-2, but there is no variant info.
Minnesota is using Vault Health to test... does the lab they use determine variants & tell the state? Is that a diff process they use to determine variants, and do they only do it on positives?
I’m just curious which flavor I have
How are you feeling?
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Pace is too slow globally. US putting money before lives... like always.
Not sure that's fair.
Put on your own oxygen mask before you help others.
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Not sure that's fair.
Put on your own oxygen mask before you help others.
It's absolutely fair
We could waive the patents on the vaccines TODAY and let the rest of the world make analogues to the current vaccines, but you know... money.
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The conundrum.... and I am no fan of big Pharma. Developing these vaccines this fast was a vast and expensive undertaking. Yes, the governments are paying them big bucks to make sure that Americans can get these vaccines for free. Even if some are too stupid to get them. I get the whole 'good of humanity' thing. I do. I am a big bleeding heart. But I also get big Pharma not wanting to just give away the intellectual property that they spent billions to develop.
I think giving the intellectual property away for the good of humanity is the moral and ethical thing to do. I just don't know that the government can or should compel it.
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The conundrum.... and I am no fan of big Pharma. Developing these vaccines this fast was a vast and expensive undertaking. Yes, the governments are paying them big bucks to make sure that Americans can get these vaccines for free. Even if some are too stupid to get them. I get the whole 'good of humanity' thing. I do. I am a big bleeding heart. But I also get big Pharma not wanting to just give away the intellectual property that they spent billions to develop.
I think giving the intellectual property away for the good of humanity is the moral and ethical thing to do. I just don't know that the government can or should compel it.
Money over people. Thank god for men like Sir Alexander Fleming.
Big pharma has plenty of money, they can pound sand.
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The conundrum.... and I am no fan of big Pharma. Developing these vaccines this fast was a vast and expensive undertaking. Yes, the governments are paying them big bucks to make sure that Americans can get these vaccines for free. Even if some are too stupid to get them. I get the whole 'good of humanity' thing. I do. I am a big bleeding heart. But I also get big Pharma not wanting to just give away the intellectual property that they spent billions to develop.
I think giving the intellectual property away for the good of humanity is the moral and ethical thing to do. I just don't know that the government can or should compel it.
US taxpayers already footed the bill for the development of mRNA tech. And then also paid pharma to make/distribute vaccine in the US.
Pharma has made enough. US citizens have given enough. Let's do the right thing now.
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US taxpayers already footed the bill for the development of mRNA tech. And then also paid pharma to make/distribute vaccine in the US.
Pharma has made enough. US citizens have given enough. Let's do the right thing now.
mRNA tech has been under development for a decade. All the government did was foot the bill to tailor it to COVID. Which was incredibly important. But you are completely mischaracterizing how this technology was developed.
I am fine with the government regulating pricing (which they already are) for COVID vaccines and paying to ensure everyone gets one free of charge.
Removing IP protections would be unprecedented. The government has also sponsored research from everything to microchips, the internet, and satellite technology. We haven't removed IP protections for any of that. It isn't about "money over people." It is about ensuring we remain the most innovative country in the world.
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mRNA tech has been under development for a decade. All the government did was foot the bill to tailor it to COVID. Which was incredibly important. But you are completely mischaracterizing how this technology was developed.
I am fine with the government regulating pricing (which they already are) for COVID vaccines and paying to ensure everyone gets one free of charge.
Removing IP protections would be unprecedented. The government has also sponsored research from everything to microchips, the internet, and satellite technology. We haven't removed IP protections for any of that. It isn't about "money over people." It is about ensuring we remain the most innovative country in the world.
apples to oranges, my friend. One saves lives, the other simply makes our lives more convenient.
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https://play.acast.com/s/f5b64019-68c3-57d4-b70b-043e63e5cbf6/b6a35c8f-f6fb-4f0e-8973-6bab8e608ab7
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apples to oranges, my friend. One saves lives, the other simply makes our lives more convenient.
Can't change the rules in the middle of the game.
If IP protections were going to be removed, should have told the pharma companies that was a condition of getting government $$$.
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https://play.acast.com/s/f5b64019-68c3-57d4-b70b-043e63e5cbf6/b6a35c8f-f6fb-4f0e-8973-6bab8e608ab7
Big Pharma monopoly? LOL
Moderna has 1300 employees and revenue of $800 million. BioNTech is about the same. Novovax....less than 800 employees and revenue under $500 million.
This is the opposite of Big Pharma. These are small, innovative companies whose existence relies on IP protections. Sure, Pfizer and J&J are big pharma, but the number of players here puts the monopoly thing to rest pretty quickly.
The fact that we are even considering punishing pharmaceutical companies by ripping away IP protections after they pretty much single handidly saved our country from hundreds of thousands more deaths and our economy from a depression is insane.
Our country is reopening because the current system works. There are the right incentives in place for innovation.
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Big Pharma monopoly? LOL
Moderna has 1300 employees and revenue of $800 million. BioNTech is about the same. Novovax....less than 800 employees and revenue under $500 million.
This is the opposite of Big Pharma. These are small, innovative companies whose existence relies on IP protections. Sure, Pfizer and J&J are big pharma, but the number of players here puts the monopoly thing to rest pretty quickly.
The fact that we are even considering punishing pharmaceutical companies by ripping away IP protections after they pretty much single handidly saved our country from hundreds of thousands more deaths and our economy from a depression is insane.
Our country is reopening because the current system works. There are the right incentives in place for innovation.
Stop making these companies out to be the good guys. If were operating in normal market conditions, of course they should be due compensation. But that isn't what this situation is. Pfizer and Moderna are each slated to make over $18-24 billion dollars this year, each!
And the mRNA technology research has been funded by American taxpayers via the NIH, and then we preordered millions of doses from them. What a deal! Talk about government subsidized success! Next up, they get to gouge the very people who paid for the R&D, production, and absolute success of their company with booster shots that will make them billions. Publicly funded risk, private reward. Truly the American dream.
I know you're a smart dude, but I doubt you listened to the program. Everything you're talking about was covered.
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Stop making these companies out to be the good guys. If were operating in normal market conditions, of course they should be due compensation. But that isn't what this situation is. Pfizer and Moderna are each slated to make over $18-24 billion dollars this year, each!
And the mRNA technology research has been funded by American taxpayers via the NIH, and then we preordered millions of doses from them. What a deal! Talk about government subsidized success! Next up, they get to gouge the very people who paid for the R&D, production, and absolute success of their company with booster shots that will make them billions. Publicly funded risk, private reward. Truly the American dream.
I know you're a smart dude, but I doubt you listened to the program. Everything you're talking about was covered.
This is Moderna's first product they've taken to market ever. They are not the big bad guys you're looking for. They just IPO'd with great tech, and thank goodness they got enough partnerships in place to scale production.
I feel bad for BioNTech that Pfizer stole their thunder. Another excellent young company saving the butts of billions.
I don't really have a dog in the IP fight besides IP/Patent law being broken.
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Stop making these companies out to be the good guys. If were operating in normal market conditions, of course they should be due compensation. But that isn't what this situation is. Pfizer and Moderna are each slated to make over $18-24 billion dollars this year, each!
And the mRNA technology research has been funded by American taxpayers via the NIH, and then we preordered millions of doses from them. What a deal! Talk about government subsidized success! Next up, they get to gouge the very people who paid for the R&D, production, and absolute success of their company with booster shots that will make them billions. Publicly funded risk, private reward. Truly the American dream.
I know you're a smart dude, but I doubt you listened to the program. Everything you're talking about was covered.
I don't see this as a good guys or bad guys thing. I just see it as incentivizing companies to do what is most beneficial. That's really it.
You take away IP protections this time, who is going to jump in to save the day the next time?
I am not some total free market libertarian. Quite the opposite. I just think there are plenty of other levers (Defense Production Act, price controls, etc.) the government can use without ripping away IP protections.
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I don't see this as a good guys or bad guys thing. I just see it as incentivizing companies to do what is most beneficial. That's really it.
You take away IP protections this time, who is going to jump in to save the day the next time?
Literally anyone that wants to make the $18-24 billion that Moderna and Pfizer are walking away with before this year is out.
This is Moderna's first product they've taken to market ever. They are not the big bad guys you're looking for. They just IPO'd with great tech, and thank goodness they got enough partnerships in place to scale production.
I feel bad for BioNTech that Pfizer stole their thunder. Another excellent young company saving the butts of billions.
I don't really have a dog in the IP fight besides IP/Patent law being broken.
They're the bad guys in the same respect that they're having their cake and wanting to eat it too. I'm not talking about putting them out of business, obviously. It isn't as if stripping them of their patent information would make their company worth zero. I'm talking about doing what is right for humanity instead of doing what is right for the people holding stock in Moderna and Pfizer. They can still make a metric manure load of money from producing and selling vaccines and mRNA therapy.
Just trying to save some human lives instead of stock portfolios.
F*ck me, right?
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Literally anyone that wants to make the $18-24 billion that Moderna and Pfizer are walking away with before this year is out.
Except that if anyone else could manufacture it due to the IP being public, they wouldn't have made that much.
Also, Moderna's revenue was $1.9 billion in Q1. Not sure where you are getting $18-24 billion this year.
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Just trying to save some human lives instead of stock portfolios.
This is the $hit that drives me nuts. It is dishonest. I've said a million times it is about producing the best results for society. Not stock prices.
You can disagree with my argument. But to characterize it as purely based on a profit motive is bull$hit.
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They're the bad guys in the same respect that they're having their cake and wanting to eat it too. I'm not talking about putting them out of business, obviously. It isn't as if stripping them of their patent information would make their company worth zero.
IP is the lifeblood of pharma. If you don't have patent protections, you have nothing. You take that away from Moderna and they go bye-bye tomorrow. This is the only drug they've brought to market. What a great way to treat an innovative small company that literally saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
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Realistically, how quickly could another company ramp up production and meet the quality standards if they got their hands on the IP today? Would it make a big difference?
Also, I thought that there wasn’t a ton of money in the annual boosters in the future. By then there’s more competition and less urgency that the government is in a better position to negotiate prices.
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I never ever said get rid of all patents, sheesh.
Coleman, again, brother, my information is from the program. If you're not going to listen to it, then why comment about it? I guess I have to curate timestamps. https://play.acast.com/s/f5b64019-68c3-57d4-b70b-043e63e5cbf6/b6a35c8f-f6fb-4f0e-8973-6bab8e608ab7?seek=1015
I don't give two sh!ts about Moderna as a company. They could go under tomorrow and someone else would replace them in a heartbeat. Do you not believe that? Honestly?
IP is the lifeblood of pharma. If you don't have patent protections, you have nothing. You take that away from Moderna and they go bye-bye tomorrow. This is the only drug they've brought to market. What a great way to treat an innovative small company that literally saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
And the $2 billion they've already made in Q1? (which is hilarious, because Q1 ended 3/31... long before the vaccine rollout was wide spread) They go belly up with $2 billion in revenue? As a 'small' company? You do realize how utterly insane this sounds, right? Furthermore, they are way ahead of anyone else in this race. It isn't as if we release the patents today someone is going to be manufacturing mRNA vaccines next month. They have the time and the resources to be ahead of everyone now that they've cashed in on the American taxpayer. Meanwhile, what does the American taxpayer get for their contribution? A wealthy private company, that wouldn't have the current head start had they not gotten the cash infusion from the American people.
Meanwhile, you're defending them making a ton of money, being able to set any price they want for boosters for 10 years? Get outta here. Go back to K street and get a job lobbying if that's what you want to do.
Next, you're going to defend insulin price gouging and epinephrine pen price gouging.
Except that if anyone else could manufacture it due to the IP being public, they wouldn't have made that much.
Also, Moderna's revenue was $1.9 billion in Q1. Not sure where you are getting $18-24 billion this year.
Moderna said it sees full-year vaccine sales of around $19.2 billion, based on signed contracts, a figure that doesn't appear to be affected by any decision on patent waivers that may come later this quarter from the World Trade Organization.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/moderna-misses-revenue-forecast-boosts-2021-vaccine-sales-outlook
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MRNA/analysis/
Avg revenue estimate 18.31B
HELL IF YOU WANT A COMPROMISE JUST GIVE MODERNA AND PFIZER EXCLUSIVITY RIGHTS IN THE USA. God knows we're fine with overpaying for our necessary medication already and used to be gouged.
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Realistically, how quickly could another company ramp up production and meet the quality standards if they got their hands on the IP today? Would it make a big difference?
It’s a good question and a fair question.
Ironically, it would probably benefit the “big pharma” firms the most since they would have the manufacturing technology and capacity to quickly scale up once the IP was made public.
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Well this seems potentially not good if accurate:
Cyprus Finds Covid-19 Infections That Combine Delta and Omicron
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-08/cyprus-finds-covid-19-infections-that-combine-delta-and-omicron
"A strain of Covid-19 that combines delta and omicron was found in Cyprus, according to Leondios Kostrikis, professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus and head of the Laboratory of Biotechnology and Molecular Virology.
“There are currently omicron and delta co-infections and we found this strain that is a combination of these two,” Kostrikis said in an interview with Sigma TV Friday. The discovery was named “deltacron” due to the identification of omicron-like genetic signatures within the delta genomes, he said."
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Granted I am a math guy.
But given numbers thrown around, omicron 70% of infections and cases up 5 fold means Delta isn’t subsiding, just omicron is rising.
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Well this seems potentially not good if accurate:
Cyprus Finds Covid-19 Infections That Combine Delta and Omicron
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-08/cyprus-finds-covid-19-infections-that-combine-delta-and-omicron
"A strain of Covid-19 that combines delta and omicron was found in Cyprus, according to Leondios Kostrikis, professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus and head of the Laboratory of Biotechnology and Molecular Virology.
“There are currently omicron and delta co-infections and we found this strain that is a combination of these two,” Kostrikis said in an interview with Sigma TV Friday. The discovery was named “deltacron” due to the identification of omicron-like genetic signatures within the delta genomes, he said."
It’s not accurate. Likely a contamination.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PeacockFlu/status/1475928935745699840
Tom Peacock
@PeacockFlu
Small update: the Cypriot 'Deltacron' sequences reported by several large media outlets look to be quite clearly contamination - they do not cluster on a phylogenetic tree and have a whole Artic primer sequencing amplicon of Omicron in an otherwise Delta backbone.
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It’s not accurate. Likely a contamination.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PeacockFlu/status/1475928935745699840
Tom Peacock
@PeacockFlu
Small update: the Cypriot 'Deltacron' sequences reported by several large media outlets look to be quite clearly contamination - they do not cluster on a phylogenetic tree and have a whole Artic primer sequencing amplicon of Omicron in an otherwise Delta backbone.
Good news. Although I suspect that guy is just making up words and phrases!
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Good news. Although I suspect that guy is just making up words and phrases!
Not sure if this is teal. But he is not making up words and phrases.
A side aspect, he is saying that this report is likely contamination, but I'm pretty certain if you asked him, that it would be likely that a "deltacon" variant is just a matter of time, and it is just too early to identify it in populations.
His explanation for why this is likely a contaminant is pretty solid.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-makes-bidens-vaccine-mandates-obsolete-covid-healthcare-osha-evidence-supreme-court-11641760009?st=wm9kr5bv8ia86tl&reflink=article_copyURL_share
In this opinion piece it makes reference to data saying that after 90 days a vaccinated person is MORE likely to catch Omicron. Can this be possible or even make scientific sense?
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-makes-bidens-vaccine-mandates-obsolete-covid-healthcare-osha-evidence-supreme-court-11641760009?st=wm9kr5bv8ia86tl&reflink=article_copyURL_share
In this opinion piece it makes reference to data saying that after 90 days a vaccinated person is MORE likely to catch Omicron. Can this be possible or even make scientific sense?
"Opinion"
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-makes-bidens-vaccine-mandates-obsolete-covid-healthcare-osha-evidence-supreme-court-11641760009?st=wm9kr5bv8ia86tl&reflink=article_copyURL_share
In this opinion piece it makes reference to data saying that after 90 days a vaccinated person is MORE likely to catch Omicron. Can this be possible or even make scientific sense?
Look up who the authors are and you’ll know.
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Look up who the authors are and you’ll know.
A Nobel prize winner for discovering HIV, is that a bad??
He uses actual data though to make the argument and with the Pfizer CEO coming out today saying the current version of the vaccine does “little to nothing” in protecting against Omicron I’m not exactly worried about the author as much as clarification on the data.
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A Nobel prize winner for discovering HIV, is that a bad??
He uses actual data though to make the argument and with the Pfizer CEO coming out today saying the current version of the vaccine does “little to nothing” in protecting against Omicron I’m not exactly worried about the author as much as clarification on the data.
He’s been wrong about COVID from the beginning and once wrote a paper entitled “Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences." (They aren’t.)
Complete whack job teaming up with an anti-vaccine lawyer.
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He’s been wrong about COVID from the beginning and once wrote a paper entitled “Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences." (They aren’t.)
Complete whack job teaming up with an anti-vaccine lawyer.
He also discovered HIV
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He also discovered HIV
You apparently graduated from Marquette. Peaking early doesn’t mean anything.
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You apparently graduated from Marquette. Peaking early doesn’t mean anything.
That’s actually a pretty good one!! I’d argue my peak was well before MU days though.
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That’s actually a pretty good one!! I’d argue my peak was well before MU days though.
Sad!
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Look up who the authors are and you’ll know.
Nice catch. We should definitely listen to an anti-vaxxer about the effectiveness of vaccines.
Once again, the troll is here only to spread bullsh!t.
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Nice catch. We should definitely listen to an anti-vaxxer about the effectiveness of vaccines.
Once again, the troll is here only to spread bullsh!t.
How bout the CEO of Pfizer? If not him who do you listen to?
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How bout the CEO of Pfizer? If not him who do you listen to?
(https://images2.imgbox.com/78/56/vnO122Ud_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/vnO122Ud)
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Omicron vaccine on its way, now we know why Pfizer guy said what he said
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/pfizer-s-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march-ceo-says.html?origin=CEOE&utm_source=CEOE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=7221H7629690E9B (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/pfizer-s-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march-ceo-says.html?origin=CEOE&utm_source=CEOE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=7221H7629690E9B)
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United Employee Deaths Fell To Zero After COVID Vaccine Mandate, CEO Says
The airline said its employees' hospitalization rate is also "100x lower than the general population in the U.S."
By
Ryan Grenoble
01/11/2022 12:38pm EST
COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated United Airlines employees fell to zero after the company implemented a vaccine requirement, CEO Scott Kirby said in a memo to employees Tuesday. United was the first major U.S. airline to roll out a mandate, telling its 67,000 U.S. employees last August to either get vaccinated or be fired, with limited exemptions for religious or health reasons.
The policy drew criticism from Republicans like Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) who said Kirby’s decision showed “callous disregard” for the rights of his employees.
As the extremely contagious omicron variant has sent case counts to new highs, snarling air travel in the process, United’s data would seem to validate the mandate.
“While we have about 3,000 employees who are currently positive for COVID, zero of our vaccinated employees are currently hospitalized,” Kirby told employees Tuesday in the memo. “Since our vaccine policy went into effect, the hospitalization rate among our employees has been 100x lower than the general population in the U.S.”
Currently in the U.S. more than 100,000 coronavirus patients are hospitalized nationwide, according to a New York Times database. The country is also averaging more than 500,000 new cases a day — a record.
Kirby added that there were no COVID-related deaths among vaccinated employees for eight weeks in a row.
Prior to the vaccine requirement, an average of more than one United employee a week was dying from COVID-19, the CEO said.
“Based on United’s prior experience and the nationwide data related to COVID fatalities among the unvaccinated,” he added, “that means there are approximately 8-10 United employees who are alive today because of our vaccine requirement.”
That’s not to say it’s been smooth sailing for the airline, which, like the rest of the country, has had to contend with a wave of employee illness and, as a result, flight cancellations. Kirby noted that nearly one-third of the airline’s workforce recently called out sick in one day alone at Newark Liberty International Airport, a major United hub.
If only vaccines could also guard flight attendants against ill-behaved passengers.
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Just got done with Omicron. I was double vaxxed with Pfizer back in June, got the booster last week on Jan 4. The symptoms were incredibly mild to the point I did 30 minute daily rides on the Peloton. Felt a bit more fatigued than usual, had consistent nasal drip/congestion, mild occasional headache.
So while the vax didn't protect me from the variant, what I experienced was just a minor annoyance type of cold. I'm also happy to report that I have not become magnetic, Bill Gates doesn't know what I'm doing, and I feel exactly the same as I did before ever getting vaccinated.
8-)
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Just got done with Omicron. I was double vaxxed with Pfizer back in June, got the booster last week on Jan 4. The symptoms were incredibly mild to the point I did 30 minute daily rides on the Peloton. Felt a bit more fatigued than usual, had consistent nasal drip/congestion, mild occasional headache.
So while the vax didn't protect me from the variant, what I experienced was just a minor annoyance type of cold. I'm also happy to report that I have not become magnetic, Bill Gates doesn't know what I'm doing, and I feel exactly the same as I did before ever getting vaccinated.
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That's exactly what he wants you to think
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I'm also happy to report that I have not become magnetic,
Correct, your personality is definitely not magnetic.
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Correct, your personality is definitely not magnetic.
Dang. That hurt my feelings. That aside, I don't ever remember reading a post of yours here. Indicative of being a non-factor. Clearly I've pissed you off at some point. Now, if I was like the lightweight hater you are, I'd report your post to the moderators and whine for you to be banned. But, I'm not..so carry on with your lame barbs.
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Dang. That hurt my feelings. That aside, I don't ever remember reading a post of yours here. Indicative of being a non-factor. Clearly I've pissed you off at some point. Now, if I was like the lightweight hater you are, I'd report your post to the moderators and whine for you to be banned. But, I'm not..so carry on with your lame barbs.
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Naw, it just wasn't funny.
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Just got done with Omicron. I was double vaxxed with Pfizer back in June, got the booster last week on Jan 4. The symptoms were incredibly mild to the point I did 30 minute daily rides on the Peloton. Felt a bit more fatigued than usual, had consistent nasal drip/congestion, mild occasional headache.
So while the vax didn't protect me from the variant, what I experienced was just a minor annoyance type of cold. I'm also happy to report that I have not become magnetic, Bill Gates doesn't know what I'm doing, and I feel exactly the same as I did before ever getting vaccinated.
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But it did protect you from it. It did not make you immune to it, but that was never the claim.
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Doesn't the joke need to be somewhat funny?
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Clearly, it wasn't some of my best material. I'll do better next time.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/
Hmm, I remember a few of you saying this couldnt be the case a couple months back. Remind me who is spreading misinformation?
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/
Hmm, I remember a few of you saying this couldnt be the case a couple months back. Remind me who is spreading misinformation?
No that's not what people said.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/
Hmm, I remember a few of you saying this couldnt be the case a couple months back. Remind me who is spreading misinformation?
I continue to question to intelligence of those who think getting COVID to avoid getting COVID is sound thinking. The "so what" of that link is still "get jabbed".
Quote: Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/
Hmm, I remember a few of you saying this couldnt be the case a couple months back. Remind me who is spreading misinformation?
So to protect from dying of COVID-19, were going to get COVID-19?
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So to protect from dying of COVID-19, were going to get COVID-19?
That's the theory promoted by Scoop dentists
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That's the theory promoted by Scoop dentists
I intentionally get cavities because the fillings are stronger than my actual teeth.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60050996
Catching Covid deliberately didn’t work out so well..
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Yeah, but according to "healthcare professionals", having caught COVID she'd be even more protected from catching COVID than if she just took the vaccine...if she wasn't dead, that is.
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I think there might be something to a fully vaccinated and totally healthy (no pre-existing conditions) person not isolating from his or her Covid-infected partner, figuring if he or she gets it, so be it.
But to be an anti-vaxxer and to try to get a deadly virus that disproportionally kills and/or hospitalizes the unvaccinated ... that's just idiotic.
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I think there might be something to a fully vaccinated and totally healthy (no pre-existing conditions) person not isolating from his or her Covid-infected partner, figuring if he or she gets it, so be it.
But to be an anti-vaxxer and to try to get a deadly virus that disproportionally kills and/or hospitalizes the unvaccinated ... that's just idiotic.
I think its totally different. Spent the weekend with my sister in law and her family. Literally as we arrived, the youngest got confirmation of a positive PCR test. Over the next day, my SIL and another daughter tested positive. My wife and I sort of shrugged. Everyone was vaccinated and boosted. We have international travel coming up, if it was gonna happen, might as well be in control of it.
Started feeling iffy Sunday, drove home, made appts for tests on Tues morning and began acting as if we were positive. My wife's rapid tests were positive from Monday on. Took a PCR for me on Tues to show positive. We're finishing up our quarantine and moving on, basically invincible now
But none of us were out licking the faces of those positive while unvaccinated to test fate
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I think its totally different. Spent the weekend with my sister in law and her family. Literally as we arrived, the youngest got confirmation of a positive PCR test. Over the next day, my SIL and another daughter tested positive. My wife and I sort of shrugged. Everyone was vaccinated and boosted. We have international travel coming up, if it was gonna happen, might as well be in control of it.
Started feeling iffy Sunday, drove home, made appts for tests on Tues morning and began acting as if we were positive. My wife's rapid tests were positive from Monday on. Took a PCR for me on Tues to show positive. We're finishing up our quarantine and moving on, basically invincible now
But none of us were out licking the faces of those positive while unvaccinated to test fate
suspiciously specific
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I think its totally different.
Which I think is what I said and you're just agreeing, right?
Spent the weekend with my sister in law and her family. Literally as we arrived, the youngest got confirmation of a positive PCR test. Over the next day, my SIL and another daughter tested positive. My wife and I sort of shrugged. Everyone was vaccinated and boosted. We have international travel coming up, if it was gonna happen, might as well be in control of it.
Started feeling iffy Sunday, drove home, made appts for tests on Tues morning and began acting as if we were positive. My wife's rapid tests were positive from Monday on. Took a PCR for me on Tues to show positive. We're finishing up our quarantine and moving on, basically invincible now
But none of us were out licking the faces of those positive while unvaccinated to test fate
In the last 2 weeks, it's swept through my family. In Seattle, my pregnant daughter, 15-month-old grandson and son-in-law all got it; in Chicago, my 2 1/2-year-old grand-twins and son got it.
All adults vaccinated and boosted, all (including kids) doing OK. Various stages of feeling like they have bad colds.
Curiously, my daughter-in-law in Chicago hasn't gotten it. This despite the fact that her parents and sisters got it, her husband and kids have it, and she's a fifth-grade teacher who is probably encountering infected kids every day. It's probably gonna happen any day now ... or maybe she's Wonder Woman!
The only real concern of all of the above is my daughter, who is due in mid-March. But she's seen two doctors and they did an ultrasound and other tests, and all is well.
I hope you and yours all come out of it great, Wags.
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suspiciously specific
Chalk it up to a failed pick up line
Which I think is what I said and you're just agreeing, right?
I hope you and yours all come out of it great, Wags.
Yea, just reiterating with more specifics.
And yep, all good, thanks. My wife was ehh for a pair of days, but she's notoriously bad at being sick in any form ;D I had a stuffy nose and was spacey for a day. Feel good as new now.
My nieces and nephews were pretty funny. Morning they were sick and wailing and being annoying under the weather kids...by evening they were off the walls feeling grand
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Chalk it up to a failed pick up line
Worked for this guy...
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Stealth omicron variant. At least the names are getting cooler
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/stealth-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-santa-clara-county/?utm_email=74367572843174AE64F084CEF8&g2i_eui=DXnb0FExXdjV0PYVr3%2fI0%2fzz4E3F40VX&g2i_source=newsletter&lctg=74367572843174AE64F084CEF8&active=no&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mercurynews.com%2f2022%2f01%2f25%2fstealth-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-santa-clara-county%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-morning-report-nl&utm_content=manual (https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/stealth-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-santa-clara-county/?utm_email=74367572843174AE64F084CEF8&g2i_eui=DXnb0FExXdjV0PYVr3%2fI0%2fzz4E3F40VX&g2i_source=newsletter&lctg=74367572843174AE64F084CEF8&active=no&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mercurynews.com%2f2022%2f01%2f25%2fstealth-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-santa-clara-county%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-morning-report-nl&utm_content=manual)
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looks like Denver and surrounding counties have decided it's time to move on from Omicron and masks and POV are no longer required:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Q3XKz45kU
“Our modeling makes it very clear that lifting the face covering order now is safe,” said Bob McDonald, the executive director of Denver’s Department of Public Health and Environment. “Cases are going to continue to decline and what that says is that Omicron has run out of fuel within our community.”
“So beginning Friday, people will no longer be required under the public health order to wear masks or show proof of vaccination for entry into a business in Denver.”
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looks like Denver and surrounding counties have decided it's time to move on from Omicron and masks and POV are no longer required:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Q3XKz45kU
“Our modeling makes it very clear that lifting the face covering order now is safe,” said Bob McDonald, the executive director of Denver’s Department of Public Health and Environment. “Cases are going to continue to decline and what that says is that Omicron has run out of fuel within our community.”
“So beginning Friday, people will no longer be required under the public health order to wear masks or show proof of vaccination for entry into a business in Denver.”
Yep. Numbers of new cases are significantly dropping. Hospitals are still pretty full but my guess is those numbers will be falling off shortly too.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/
Hmm, I remember a few of you saying this couldnt be the case a couple months back. Remind me who is spreading misinformation?
yes he did say this but i don't have the energy to go foraging...there is more and more info coming out that was at first canceled and now ok cuz the ny times and wapo give it their blessings. i.e. the lockdowns did no good(johns hopkins), the lab leak from CHINA and i'm sure more to come
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Yep. Numbers of new cases are significantly dropping. Hospitals are still pretty full but my guess is those numbers will be falling off shortly too.
The very cautious countries in Europe dropping restrictions are honestly the most optimistic bellwethers for me
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The very cautious countries in Europe dropping restrictions are honestly the most optimistic bellwethers for me
Their numbers, both vaccinated as well as positive cases/deaths, are far better than most of our population.
But it is a good sign
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Europe has been a few weeks ahead of the US with Omicron, but we are following right behind as predicted.
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yes he did say this but i don't have the energy to go foraging...there is more and more info coming out that was at first canceled and now ok cuz the ny times and wapo give it their blessings. i.e. the lockdowns did no good(johns hopkins), the lab leak from CHINA and i'm sure more to come
Yes, and the FBI was behind the January 6th insurrection.
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Yes, and the FBI was behind the January 6th insurrection.
You'll never pass up an opportunity to make a purely political comment that has nothing to do with the topic, hey? No need to reply. It was a rhetorical question.
In actual Covid news, in Illinois, numbers are declining rapidly, both new cases (63.5% decline since January 12) and hospitalizations (47.6% in the last 2 weeks).
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You'll never pass up an opportunity to make a purely political comment that has nothing to do with the topic, hey? No need to reply. It was a rhetorical question.
In actual Covid news, in Illinois, numbers are declining rapidly, both new cases (63.5% decline since January 12) and hospitalizations (47.6% in the last 2 weeks).
No, more a comment on roqqet's many conspiracy theories, the proof for all of which is being suppressed by "them".
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yes he did say this but i don't have the energy to go foraging...there is more and more info coming out that was at first canceled and now ok cuz the ny times and wapo give it their blessings. i.e. the lockdowns did no good(johns hopkins), the lab leak from CHINA and i'm sure more to come
You always say this. "more and more info coming soon" and then poof, it never comes.
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It's wild how much harder the US got hit with deaths than Europe did over these Omicron waves. I wonder if the tail end of Delta getting mixed in with the beginning of Omicron is what go us.
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It's wild how much harder the US got hit with deaths than Europe did over these Omicron waves. I wonder if the tail end of Delta getting mixed in with the beginning of Omicron is what go us.
I think thats exactly what it is. Obvious vaccination trends aside, I don't think Omicron was killing as ruthlessly as Delta did. Europe front running us on the COVID trends would likely speak more to it.
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Om may have not been as deadly, but with it being so much more contagious it hit a lot more targets. Reported positive cases hit new highs and I would argue they were actually significantly higher due to all the home tests that weren't included in the totals.
Even with the lower lethality, many more positives resulted in a lot of deaths.
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It's wild how much harder the US got hit with deaths than Europe did over these Omicron waves. I wonder if the tail end of Delta getting mixed in with the beginning of Omicron is what go us.
I'm not certain that we go hit that much harder than Europe did as a function of total population.
Might be true in the UK, where they were absolutely devastated by earlier waves, and they might have simply run out of vulnerable unvaccinated parts of the country.
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I'm not certain that we go hit that much harder than Europe did as a function of total population.
Might be true in the UK, where they were absolutely devastated by earlier waves, and they might have simply run out of vulnerable unvaccinated parts of the country.
I was thinking of this writeup from the NYT yesterday comparing the US's very high death rate vs other wealthy countries - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/01/science/covid-deaths-united-states.html
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I was thinking of this writeup from the NYT yesterday comparing the US's very high death rate vs other wealthy countries - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/01/science/covid-deaths-united-states.html
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Got it, and thanks for that link and figure. I agree with the other sentiment then, that this is an artifact of Delta hitting here later...and much harder in terms of deaths.
Our Delta death wave and Omicron death wave overlap, this was not the case in Europe. So the way they present the data in that article is a bit misleading in terms of the effects of Omicron.
I don't think we were hit that much harder deaths wise from Omicron. I think we were hit much harder by Delta, due to a combination of really bad policies in some states and lower vaccination rates.
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According to this Vax Tracker, we have only the 59th highest full-vaccination rate in the world. Also, 51st in doses per 100 people and 41st in additional dose (booster) usage.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
A huge percentage of the country has refused to be vaccinated for political reasons and/or due to the spread of misinformation/conspiracy theories.
As study after study after study has shown, if you aren't vaccinated, you have a significantly higher chance of dying from Covid.
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Please proceed, anti-vaxxers.
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https://twitter.com/TaisonBell/status/1490026180250120202?t=88S0bhZaJWPO57yxvHhT0A&s=19
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Please proceed, anti-vaxxers.
They are proceeding ……. to die.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/why-are-so-many-americans-still-dying-of-covid.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab
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They are proceeding ……. to die.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/why-are-so-many-americans-still-dying-of-covid.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab
The plan is working to perfection
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Some interesting numbers....
In looking at US v. UK Covid data, the UK hit its omicron peak right after the first of the year with a seven day average of 182,000 cases. Which to normalize for population, is 1 out of 368 people.
The US hit its peak about two weeks later at 806,000, or 1 out of every 408 people. Not really a significant difference.
However, the US peak has fallen farther and faster than in the UK. As of yesterday, the seven day average in the US is 129,000 or 1/2553 people. In the UK they're seven day average is 64,000 or 1/1050 people.
Could this be a lack of testing in the US means we are undercounting? Or is it because the UK is more crowded and overall less healthy?
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I assume there are undercounts wherever there is availability of home tests. I know during the last peak there were 4 positives amongst my friends and family that were of course never officially counted. Mutiple this by a few million times over, I imagine.
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That is a good point.
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I assume there are undercounts wherever there is availability of home tests. I know during the last peak there were 4 positives amongst my friends and family that were of course never officially counted. Mutiple this by a few million times over, I imagine.
Those folks just weren't being extra careful enough, hey?
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Thankfully none were idiots, all were vaxxed, so no hospitalizations or deaths.
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the bigger uncovered story are the hospitals slowly filling up treating patients who are having adverse reactions to the vaccine.
now why would the FDA want an exemption from releasing all vaccine data until 2096?? that's kinda weird
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the bigger uncovered story are the hospitals slowly filling up treating patients who are having adverse reactions to the vaccine.
now why would the FDA want an exemption from releasing all vaccine data until 2096?? that's kinda weird
Source?
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Source?
They want to release 500 pages per month, and claim there are 451,000 pages which need review and personal information redacted.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto
This does seem silly - basically only a single employee working through 3 pages per hour? I can't make the math work otherwise. But I'm also certain that it will come out much faster, I don't think there's some big conspiracy brewing. Like "hospitals slowly filling up treating patients who are having adverse reactions to the vaccine. ". You'd think that would have been a problem in 2021 as well!
Some more information not provided by the Lawyer trying to get the info:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/
The FDA proposes releasing 500 pages per month on a rolling basis, noting that the branch that would handle the review has only 10 employees and is currently processing about 400 other FOIA requests.
“By processing and making interim responses based on 500-page increments, FDA will be able to provide more pages to more requesters, thus avoiding a system where a few large requests monopolize finite processing resources and where fewer requesters’ requests are being fulfilled,” DOJ lawyers wrote, pointing to other court decisions where the 500-page-per-month schedule was upheld.
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the bigger uncovered story are the hospitals slowly filling up treating patients who are having adverse reactions to the vaccine.
now why would the FDA want an exemption from releasing all vaccine data until 2096?? that's kinda weird
This sounds like absolute BS. Please provide a source.
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They want to release 500 pages per month, and claim there are 451,000 pages which need review and personal information redacted.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto
This does seem silly - basically only a single employee working through 3 pages per hour? I can't make the math work otherwise. But I'm also certain that it will come out much faster, I don't think there's some big conspiracy brewing. Like "hospitals slowly filling up treating patients who are having adverse reactions to the vaccine. ". You'd think that would have been a problem in 2021 as well!
Some more information not provided by the Lawyer trying to get the info:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/
Thanks rock.
I should have been clearer.
I was asking for the source on hospitals filling up due to adverse vax reactions
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I was asking for the source on hospitals filling up due to adverse vax reactions
Oh yeah, that's just nutjob conspiracy crap.
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Oh yeah, that's just nutjob conspiracy crap.
Lol. No doubt.
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Oh yeah, that's just nutjob conspiracy crap.
Stan told rocket. Stan runs the Valley Chairlift at Alpine Valley, who heard it from Christina. Tina was in the East Troy Aurora for a few days after a small meth lab incident down by the airport on Sunday before the Super Bowl.
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Stan told rocket. Stan runs the Valley Chairlift at Alpine Valley, who heard it from Christina. Tina was in the East Troy Aurora for a few days after a small meth lab incident down by the airport on Sunday before the Super Bowl.
nope, overheard from a group including c.j. and the bald knobbers at granny's diner
just give it some time-been hearing from a number of medical people i know in various institutions in Az and up here in southeastern wisconsin.
as most of you celebrate the non vaccinated, i am not celebrating this. some of the stuff they are seeing is no fun. its random schiff, but just watch
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nope, overheard from a group including c.j. and the bald knobbers at granny's diner
just give it some time-been hearing from a number of medical people i know in various institutions in Az and up here in southeastern wisconsin.
as most of you celebrate the non vaccinated, i am not celebrating this. some of the stuff they are seeing is no fun. its random schiff, but just watch
You say this ignorant crap once a week, and it has never once panned out. You're sort of like doomsday cults that predict the end of the world is 6 months out for ten years straight. Yet, here we are. Our lives go on, and those folk look as nutty as they are. I hope you don't tell your friends and family the sort of stuff you espouse here. That'd be straight up embarrassing.
Stop deluding yourself. It's suuuuuuuuuper unhealthy.
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nope, overheard from a group including c.j. and the bald knobbers at granny's diner
just give it some time-been hearing from a number of medical people i know in various institutions in Az and up here in southeastern wisconsin.
as most of you celebrate the non vaccinated, i am not celebrating this. some of the stuff they are seeing is no fun. its random schiff, but just watch
LOL. Sure. You have been saying "just watch" about a number of things over the last two years. Hydroxy....ivermectin...now hospitals filling up with vaccine reactions.
And you know what? We keep watching, and nothing happens. Just face it, you have been consistently and incredibly wrong over the last two years. But does this give you the self-awareness that you should maybe listen to different sources? Nope. Too bad you still can't figure that out.
BTW, no one is "celebrating the non-vaccinated." I hope and wish they, like you, would stop listening to misinformation and do the simple, safe and cheap thing to keep themselves healthy.
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nope, overheard from a group including c.j. and the bald knobbers at granny's diner
just give it some time-been hearing from a number of medical people i know in various institutions in Az and up here in southeastern wisconsin.
as most of you celebrate the non vaccinated, i am not celebrating this. some of the stuff they are seeing is no fun. its random schiff, but just watch
6 of 10 on the Buffon scale
Think you mailed this effort in a bit. Disappointing performance for all your fans
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just give it some time
This bullsh!t again. What a conspiracy nut. You told us in October we'd all be hearing about the miraculous curative effects of ivermectin and HCQ "in a couple of months". Where the unnatural carnal knowledge are those studies?
And now "hospitals filling up with adverse vaccine reactions". Surely you have some proof of this, right? The vaccine has been widely distributed for more than a year, one might think there would be some data to show this, right?
What a Buffon.
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Facebook feeds aren't sources.
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This bullsh!t again. What a conspiracy nut. You told us in October we'd all be hearing about the miraculous curative effects of ivermectin and HCQ "in a couple of months". Where the unnatural carnal knowledge are those studies?
And now "hospitals filling up with adverse vaccine reactions". Surely you have some proof of this, right? The vaccine has been widely distributed for more than a year, one might think there would be some data to show this, right?
What a Buffon.
This reminds me of all the “my mom is a nurse and most in hospitals are vaccinated,” posts I’ve seen. Then the stats come out it’s a very small percentage of vaccinated people in ICU’s.
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Oh yeah, that's just nutjob conspiracy crap.
That’s Dr. Nutjob Conspiracy Crap, D.D.S., to you, bub.
Jeesh … show a little respect!
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6 of 10 on the Buffon scale
Think you mailed this effort in a bit. Disappointing performance for all your fans
He did say he’s heard from people in institutions - I think we all know what institutions he’s talking about.
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Here's some very good news ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/health/covid-vaccine-antibodies-t-cells.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20220222&instance_id=53925&nl=dealbook®i_id=108420427&segment_id=83531&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
As people across the world grapple with the prospect of living with the coronavirus for the foreseeable future, one question looms large: How soon before they need yet another shot?
Not for many months, and perhaps not for years, according to a flurry of new studies.
Three doses of a Covid vaccine — or even just two — are enough to protect most people from serious illness and death for a long time, the studies suggest.
“We’re starting to see now diminishing returns on the number of additional doses,” said John Wherry, director of the Institute for immunology at the University of Pennsylvania. Although people over 65 or at high risk of illness may benefit from a fourth vaccine dose, it may be unnecessary for most people, he added.
Federal health officials have said they are not planning to recommend fourth doses anytime soon.
The Omicron variant can dodge antibodies — immune molecules that prevent the virus from infecting cells — produced after two doses of a Covid vaccine. But a third shot of the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech or by Moderna prompts the body to make a much wider variety of antibodies, which would be difficult for any variant of the virus to evade, according to the most recent study, posted online on Tuesday.
The diverse repertoire of antibodies produced should be able to protect people from new variants, even those that differ significantly from the original version of the virus, the study suggests.
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Sounds like a bad flu, aina?
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Eventually. Would have gotten there a lot sooner if everyone had vaccinated instead of making up bullsh!t.
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The truth is the entire fiasco became political very quickly and sequentially the opportunists saw an opening to pile on. Too bad for those whose lives were severely damaged or ruined, hey?
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We agree that lives were ruined by listening to opportunists.
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Didn't have time to post it yesterday, but the Public Transportation mandate got extended another two weeks.
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Didn't have time to post it yesterday, but the Public Transportation mandate got extended another two weeks.
Completely unsurprising but thankful it only 2 weeks as opposed to a month. Thats a start
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US infection rate trending back up. Up 10% over last week. >:(
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table
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But we knew its going to trend up. And back down again. The question is is this sub-variant going to make people sick enough to be hospitalized.
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Completely unsurprising but thankful it only 2 weeks as opposed to a month. Thats a start
I had an employee come in today and say, "I think they're just trying to get past Easter". To which I replied, that excuse can be made once a month... Memorial day, 4th of July... etc.
Hope it ends soon. Once it gets warm outside (somehow not a problem here in Wisconsin currently), masks on public transportation are even more uncomfortable. I'm still also of the opinion that if we're fine with no masks inside restaurants and bars, then we shouldn't have to wear them inside vehicles that can have open windows.
But whatever, hopefully only two more weeks.
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Pointless nonsense, hey?
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Kind of you to finally admit it about your posts.
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Is Lent over already, hey?
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im just getting over covid. Wasnt awful. Weird headaches
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im just getting over covid. Wasnt awful. Weird headaches
Had it a couple weeks ago. Painful cough, zapped me of my energy for three days.
Definitely not the sickest I've been, but the most draining. Slept a ton.
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Friend just had it last week and those were her symptoms as well, though her fatigue has lasted longer than three days.
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My wife just tested negative finally after a 1+ week long illness. Congestion, cough waking her up at night, shortness of breath, loss of sense of smell and taste, fatigue. The "pretty sick" part lasted 4 days, the cough and congestion is lingering still. She went for a run yesterday and it was slow but she's feeling a ton better.
I never tested positive. What a weird illness.
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I had it a few weeks ago. To my knowledge it was the first time that I've had it. First three days were draining. Felt like a bad cold but had zero energy. Days 3-4 felt like a head cold. Back to normal on day 5.
The worst part was the first day I started having symptoms I went for a five mile run and a few hours afterwards my heart rate spiked to 140 resting and stayed there for a few hours. I assume it was my body recognizing the virus from the vaccination and my immune system kicking into overdrive, but that was a brutal few hours.
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National Geographic
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/why-omicron-subvariants-bq1-bq11-are-poised-to-take-over-in-the-us
Why Omicron subvariants BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 are poised to take over in the U.S.
They now account for a tenth of the nation’s COVID-19 cases. Here’s why these strains are so good at evading immunity—and how the vaccines will protect against them.
BYAMY MCKEEVER
PUBLISHED OCTOBER 18, 2022
• 5 MIN READ
As the United States braces for another wave of COVID-19, a surge in new Omicron subvariants has raised concern among scientists. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data last week showing that BQ.1 and its sibling BQ.1.1 now account for more than 10 percent of the country’s cases, while BF.7 accounts for another 5 percent.
“Within a few weeks, things could look upside down,” says John Swartzberg, an infectious disease and vaccinology expert at the University of California, Berkeley School of Public Health. If the subvariants continue to spread at the same quick rate, either one or all three of them could overtake BA.5 as the nation’s most prevalent SARS-CoV-2 strain. (Globally, the horse race also includes worrisome contenders such as the Omicron subvariant XBB.)
What exactly are these variants and how are they different from those we’ve seen before? Here’s a rundown of what you need to know.
What are BQ.1, BQ.1.1, and BF.7?
The three Omicron subvariants that are currently surging in the U.S. are descendants of BA.5, which still accounts for about two-thirds of all cases in the nation. As National Geographic has previously reported, all Omicron sublineages are variants of concern because they share similar characteristics: They spread more easily than earlier variants and can dodge previous immunity. (What comes after Omicron? These new variants are emerging.)
Stuart Ray, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University, says that BQ.1, BQ.1.1, and BF.7 are particularly troubling because of some traits they have in common. These subvariants have each developed mutations in the same critical areas of the coronavirus’s protein spike receptor, changes that allow the virus to slip past the immune system’s antibodies.
Ray says this is an example of what’s called convergent evolution, which is when different organisms adapt in the same ways. “These changes in that region of spikes are happening in multiple separate lineages, suggesting that they really provide a big advantage,” he says. “Even though they’re evolving independently, they’re arriving at the same answers to the same questions.”
Are the new subvariants more severe?
Although it’s likely that these subvariants will be better at evading immunity, there’s little evidence to indicate they cause more severe disease than previous variants.
Scientists are concerned that these variants might also be able to evade the drugs that are used to treat people who are immunocompromised or otherwise susceptible to severe forms of COVID-19. White House chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci told CBS News that BQ.1.1. “seems to elude important monoclonal antibodies” used in treatments like Evusheld, which is designed to target the same position of the spike protein receptor that has mutated in the new subvariants. More data is needed to say for certain, however.
Ray points out that it’s hard to compare the severity of the subvariants emerging now to earlier strains because the levels of immunity are now different within the population. It’s entirely possible, for example, that these subvariants would have wreaked far greater damage if they had emerged before the COVID-19 vaccines were rolled out.
“If people don’t keep their immunity up through vaccination, then we may see increasing levels of severity,” he says. Even with mild illness, he adds, there’s also reason to be concerned about repeat infections, which are associated with cardiovascular, brain, and post-COVID complications. “Vaccination is the way to maintain that immunity, and our best bet right now is the bivalent vaccine.” (Here’s how multiple COVID-19 infections can harm the body.)
Do vaccines protect against the subvariants?
There’s no human data yet to confirm how well the bivalent vaccine—a new formulation of the original shots that specifically targets Omicron BA.4 and BA.5—will work against the subvariants. So why are experts so optimistic? White House COVID-19 Response Coordinator Ashish Jha explained in a media briefing last week that all three subvariants descend from BA.5 variant. (Six questions about the Omicron-targeting boosters, answered.)
“That means our updated bivalent vaccines should provide a much higher degree of protection than the original prototype vaccine would have,” he said. “Obviously, we’re going to do the studies to figure out how much protection, but I’m confident that our vaccines will continue to work very well, certainly protecting against serious illness.”
Philip Chan, an associate professor of medicine at Brown University, agrees that the new bivalent booster will be particularly helpful. But he adds that most experts still believe the original vaccines will continue to provide protection against severe disease and hospitalization—just as they have against variants that emerged throughout the pandemic.
What happens next?
Most experts say these new subvariants are yet another reminder of the importance of tools like vaccination and masking—and, in fact, those will be more important than ever if it turns out that monoclonal antibodies are not effective against the latest versions of the coronavirus.
“What these new mutations are telling us is that this virus is not done with us yet,” Swartzberg says. Although nobody can predict what this virus is going to do, he thinks it’s a safe bet that the U.S. will see a new surge in cases in the next six to eight weeks.
“I certainly do think that this quiet time we’re in right now is not going to last beyond Thanksgiving,” he says. “We should be doing everything we can to keep ourselves, and our families, and our community safe.”
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What about ivermectin? ::)
The virus is nowhere near done with us. Many are done with the virus.
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I've read that while these variants can dodge antibodies, they are still vulnerable to the attacks mounted in response to T cell's memories. So thankfully the vaccination should continue to hold up.
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What about ivermectin? ::)
The virus is nowhere near done with us. Many are done with the virus.
I’m on day 8 of testing positive and feeling like crap. Cough and congestion and sick and tired of quarantine.
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You have my deepest sympathy and empathy.
Hoe many times have you had it and do you know which variant this is?
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This is my first. And I am fully vaxxed and boosted. No idea the variant. Only quick tests done.
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I’m on day 8 of testing positive and feeling like crap. Cough and congestion and sick and tired of quarantine.
In mid-June my wife got Covid and she is vaxed and boosted. She came home from the last day of teaching for the school year with a fever. She was knocked out for 4 weeks and took almost all summer to get back to full strength.
I left for Europe for work the next day and came down with it and only had a bad sore throat for 3 days and no other symptons. Thankfully it did not affect my trip. I'm vaxed and boosted too.
It affects everyone differently.
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My Covid health just took a severe turn for the worse. No, my status hadn’t changed, but Mrs. pbiflyer tested positive today, shelving long held plans for tonight. I fear I may not survive the night. ;D ;D
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Tested positive for the first time on Thursday night. Only took a test because the wife tested positive.
I had a bad day a week ago where I had problems regulating body temp, and had extreme pain in my ankles and feet.
Slept 18 hours and have been fine since.
I was scheduled to get my booster today, but that has been postponed... obviously.
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My Covid health just took a severe turn for the worse. No, my status hadn’t changed, but Mrs. pbiflyer tested positive today, shelving long held plans for tonight. I fear I may not survive the night. ;D ;D
Sorry to hear about the cancellation of your annual roll in the hay, hey?
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In mid-June my wife got Covid and she is vaxed and boosted. She came home from the last day of teaching for the school year with a fever. She was knocked out for 4 weeks and took almost all summer to get back to full strength.
I left for Europe for work the next day and came down with it and only had a bad sore throat for 3 days and no other symptons. Thankfully it did not affect my trip. I'm vaxed and boosted too.
It affects everyone differently.
Agree with this. Had it for a second time in September. Mild cold symptoms.
Got on Paxlovid….damn, that is good stuff. Several longer lasting benefits from Paxlovid beyond mitigating Covid for me.
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Agree with this. Had it for a second time in September. Mild cold symptoms.
Got on Paxlovid….damn, that is good stuff. Several longer lasting benefits from Paxlovid beyond mitigating Covid for me.
Got it in July (an inevitability when one goes to Vegas). Three days with a scratchy throat and phlegm, a day of muscle fatigue in my legs (walked a lot of Vegas), and a fever of 100 for a day. I tested positive a week later but wasn't having symptoms. The most frustrating part was when I started lifting again, having to drop down in weight for about 10 days before getting back to my previous workout weight and Peloton ride outputs were lower for about two weeks.
My wife didn't have a fever but had nasal congestion. Neither of us took anything for it. It certainly helps that both of us are physically fit, not obese, and had our initial shots, putting us in the lowest risk category.
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Im at day 14 of being positive. Still have a cough and extremely tired, but today is the first day feeling like there is an end in sight. >:(
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Hang in there.