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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: BM1090 on March 18, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
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Kicks off in 40 minutes. Been a long two years without a tournament. Life is normal again.
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Amen! Let’s get it started. After a year off like last year, the first four even feel as exciting as the first round.
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Best time of the sport’s year calendar hands down
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#20 on Texas Southern trying to bring back short shorts
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Just got my 4 screens all setup and ready to go! Even watched most of the NIT games last night. First four + NIT tonight.
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Lotta standing around on offense by Drake. Must be tired
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Drake blows. Lot of the same issues that plague us. Cross their coach off any list he might be on.
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Best time of the sport’s year calendar hands down
Yes. College wrestling championships on Saturday. Conference championships for college hockey. Favorite time of year!
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weird seeing players up in the stands like that
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Graphics look better. Added team logo. They got rid of the grayed out areas next to and below the scorebug, which is nice. That was such a waste of screen real estate.
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Graphics look better. Added team logo. They got rid of the grayed out areas next to and below the scorebug, which is nice. That was such a waste of screen real estate.
Agreed. Production looks good. Also watching the NIT on ESPN (at the same time) reminds me how much I hate the bottom bar on ESPN games.
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First two games have been underwhelming. Hope next two tonight are as well.
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Drake and Wichita St. are two teams less deserving of a bid. Drake’s 2nd best win this year is 97th in NET. Someone has to win this game.
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Drake and Wichita St. are two teams less deserving of a bid. Drake’s 2nd best win this year is 97th in NET. Someone has to win this game.
I expect Drake to get rolled by USC. They are essentially missing their two best players. I'm still happy they won.
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I expect Drake to get rolled by USC. They are essentially missing their two best players. I'm still happy they won.
Are they? I had no idea. This was the first time I had seen them and was not at all impressed.
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Drake (-2) up 4 with the ball and 13 seconds to play. Turnover, give up three-point shot, missed free throw. Win by 1.
Drake is dead to me
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Are they? I had no idea. This was the first time I had seen them and was not at all impressed.
I wasn’t super impressed with them all season, but they went 3-2 down the stretch without them.
Hemphill their star is back, but limited from a broken foot.
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Drake (-2) up 4 with the ball and 13 seconds to play. Turnover, give up three-point shot, missed free throw. Win by 1.
Drake is dead to me
I feel your pain.
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Are they? I had no idea. This was the first time I had seen them and was not at all impressed.
I guess their best player played a few mins tonight but they have another guard who broke his foot.
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Drake (-2) up 4 with the ball and 13 seconds to play. Turnover, give up three-point shot, missed free throw. Win by 1.
Drake is dead to me
I had them -1.5. Rough.
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First two games have been underwhelming. Hope next two tonight are as well.
Drake / Wichita State finish was a thriller.
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Maybe it's me but I think EJ, Kenny, and Charles add nothing to the tournament. They're great for the NBA but I honestly don't get it and haven't for many years. The CBSSN people are for the most part excellent.
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Maybe it's me but I think EJ, Kenny, and Charles add nothing to the tournament. They're great for the NBA but I honestly don't get it and haven't for many years. The CBSSN people are for the most part excellent.
It's not just you. Kenny and Charles don't do any homework.
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Has anyone watched Abilene Christian? I just saw they are only 9 point underdogs to Texas.
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Does UCLA have any chance here? Most think Mich St. is way better. Would love to see UCLA punk them.
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Michigan St has a small starting lineup
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We should have beaten UCLA.
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We should have beaten UCLA.
They are missing some guys now that they had when we played them.
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It's not just you. Kenny and Charles don't do any homework.
that's what's great about them. Just impromptu analysis and memes when going to commercial. I enjoy those dudes
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Maybe it's me but I think EJ, Kenny, and Charles add nothing to the tournament. They're great for the NBA but I honestly don't get it and haven't for many years. The CBSSN people are for the most part excellent.
Adding Andy Katz with them has been solid.
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I didn't know that but we folded to close the show. Early on it looks to. me that Mich St. should win this one. I hope I'm wrong.
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that's what's great about them. Just impromptu analysis and memes when going to commercial. I enjoy those dudes
I'm a huge fan of them for NBA. Just don't think there's any reason to have them do the tournament.
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I'm a huge fan of them for NBA. Just don't think there's any reason to have them do the tournament.
My sentiments exactly.
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Good start for Joey. He'll probably have 20 tonight just to cause us more misery.
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Drake / Wichita State finish was a thriller.
I think you missed what I did there.
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Izzo just grabbed a player's jersey. Uh-Oh?
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Izzo just grabbed a player's jersey. Uh-Oh?
First he grabbed the kid's arm and then the jersey.
It wasn't that bad ... but it was unnecessary.
Izzo might end up being one of those coaches who doesn't age well. Most athletes don't respond that well to in-your-face coaches any more.
Or maybe Izzo will be one of the few who is immune to criticism for this stuff.
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Nothing to see here.
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Izzo just grabbed a player's jersey. Uh-Oh?
Izzo's teams play with FIRE in March, I'll give him that.
Mac Etienne looked smaller than I expected, and did virtually nothing in the few minutes he saw action.
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Nothing to see here.
In a rational world? Yes. But you just never know today.
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Izzo's teams play with FIRE in March, I'll give him that.
Mac Etienne looked smaller than I expected, and did virtually nothing in the few minutes he saw action.
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He's a remendous coach. There's no way to argue otherwise.
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Izzo also had his mask basically off while he was screaming at the kid.
Ramifications?
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Lame they are even making a deal out of that whole exchange. Not egregious at all and bet the player is completely fine with it. Fire is good this time of year.
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Lame they are even making a deal out of that whole exchange. Not egregious at all and bet the player is completely fine with it. Fire is good this time of year.
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Agreed. But who really knows how to gauge public outcry?
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Michigan State 51 UCLA 45 On TBS
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Apparently there are no defensive fouls to these refs.
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Joey not getting many minutes in the 2nd Half.
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Apparently there are no defensive fouls to these refs.
Driscoll has a double T in his bag yet.
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Jaquez has been fantastic in this game. But he's getting no help.
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Izzo benched Joey again to close the game. I don't expect him back in East Lansing.
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Izzo benched Joey again to close the game. I don't expect him back in East Lansing.
Izzo gave him a pretty good run there -- and on almost every possession, whichever UCLA player Joey was trying to defend simply took him and scored. He's simply too much of a defensive liability to have out there in a close game. Maybe Izzo will do some offensive/defensive situational substituting in the last minute or two to get Joey out there on offense.
I don't know about the second part of your comment, Muggs. He's gonna transfer again? Would he have to sit out again?
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Izzo gave him a pretty good run there -- and on almost every possession, whichever UCLA player Joey was trying to defend simply took him and scored. He's simply too much of a defensive liability to have out there in a close game. Maybe Izzo will do some offensive/defensive situational substituting in the last minute or two to get Joey out there on offense.
I don't know about the second part of your comment, Muggs. He's gonna transfer again? Would he have to sit out again?
Yup, he couldnt guard anybody. Complete liability out there.
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Izzo gave him a pretty good run there -- and on almost every possession, whichever UCLA player Joey was trying to defend simply took him and scored. He's simply too much of a defensive liability to have out there in a close game. Maybe Izzo will do some offensive/defensive situational substituting in the last minute or two to get Joey out there on offense.
I don't know about the second part of your comment, Muggs. He's gonna transfer again? Would he have to sit out again?
My guess is there will be no sit-out penalty for 21-22 transfers. But if there is I stand corrected. I believe he will transfer, although letter free, if he can immediately play with another school.
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Turns out Sam was the better brother, and it's not even particularly close.
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Wow. Would love to see the Bruins find a way.
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Same. Entertaining game.
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That should be UCLA ball.
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MSU tied. Gonna go to Hauser here on the last play.
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They got it right
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Was UCLA out of time outs?
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Turns out Sam was the better brother, and it's not even particularly close.
Watching Joey play now, it's hard to believe that pretty much all of us thought he'd be the star of our 2020-21 team.
Wojo doesn't have many claims to fame, but he can say he got more out of freshman Joey than a Hall of Fame coach has gotten out of junior Joey.
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I don’t understand! MSU may come back and win this.
But how is Gods Gift to basketball not in the game? He should write a letter to Izzo during the next time out.
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How was that a foul?? Smh.
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Izzo gave him a pretty good run there -- and on almost every possession, whichever UCLA player Joey was trying to defend simply took him and scored. He's simply too much of a defensive liability to have out there in a close game. Maybe Izzo will do some offensive/defensive situational substituting in the last minute or two to get Joey out there on offense.
I don't know about the second part of your comment, Muggs. He's gonna transfer again? Would he have to sit out again?
Agree. The game completely turned when Joey got in during the second half. MSU lost their edge.
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Joey has entered the game.
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Joey has entered the game.
And quickly exits.
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HAHA. Hauser pass... and then yells at the guy.
Beautiful. Annnnd Joey back to the bench.
A total of 15 seconds on the court.
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Joey has entered the game.
Immediately turns it over and screams at the star player for not catching his pass.
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Nice pass Joey!
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He probably won't enter again.
Hopefully Juzang is alright. Ouch.
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To be *slightly* fair to Joey.
Henry did not do any favors on that pass. Awful attempt to catch it.
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Izzo gave him a pretty good run there -- and on almost every possession, whichever UCLA player Joey was trying to defend simply took him and scored. He's simply too much of a defensive liability to have out there in a close game. Maybe Izzo will do some offensive/defensive situational substituting in the last minute or two to get Joey out there on offense.
I don't know about the second part of your comment, Muggs. He's gonna transfer again? Would he have to sit out again?
Agreed. I was thinking the same thing. Massive defensive liability. Offers little on the offensive glass. Michigan State is way better with him on the bench.
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To be *slightly* fair to Joey.
Henry did not do any favors on that pass. Awful attempt to catch it.
Yeah you’re probably right.
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To be *slightly* fair to Joey.
Henry did not do any favors on that pass. Awful attempt to catch it.
Not a great pass, but Henry took his eye off it.
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Juzang being out really hurts. Hopefully they still get the W.
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Now that Joey has the off-season to hire an agent. What number is he gonna go in the draft?
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Wow......just wow!! Very pleased by this result!!
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You really hate to see that
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Now that Joey has the off-season to hire an agent. What number is he gonna go in the draft?
He won't be drafted.
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Odds Joey is in the Portal by by the end of the opening weekend of games???
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He won't be drafted.
Maybe he should write a letter…
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He won't be drafted.
Excuse me?
Have you not heard what mr Hauser believes and his skill set?
And him being the best MUBB player that never stayed?
You’re wrong. He’s easily going mid first round.
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Dear Coach Izzo,
Next season, please do something to get the ball out of the hands of all your bad players so good players like Joey can do all the shooting.
That might sound selfish, but Joey is really only thinking of all the other good players like him.
Love,
Mommy and Daddy Hauser
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Dear Coach Izzo,
Next season, please do something to get the ball out of the hands of all your bad players so good players like Joey can do all the shooting.
That might sound selfish, but Joey is really only thinking of all the other good players like him.
Love,
Mommy and Daddy Hauser
This is a winner. Well done.
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Search “Joey Hauser” on Twitter. Looks like he’s wore out his welcome at MSU.
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Ouch.
@ByPatForde: Rocket Watts is the classic You’re Open For A Reason Guy
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Search “Joey Hauser” on Twitter. Looks like he’s wore out his welcome at MSU.
I won’t lie. I just did the same thing. Dude it is BRUTAL.
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Dear Coach Izzo,
Next season, please do something to get the ball out of the hands of all your bad players so good players like Joey can do all the shooting.
That might sound selfish, but Joey is really only thinking of all the other good players like him.
Love,
Mommy and Daddy Hauser
I will sell my 1st edition of Samuel Richardson's Pamela if I can get your original composition of this letter?
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Basically Joey took a year off, and did not improve in certain areas, quickness none, jumping ability, plays below the rim. Passing questionable, shot average, just an average player, rather have Garcia
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Back to this opening night ...
I thought I read something about 90% picking Michigan State, so I went with UCLA just because.
I was 3-1 -- I had effen App State. Almost a great comeback to steal it but just not good enough.
Wasn't always pretty basketball tonight, but 3 nail-biters. Looking forward to the "real" tournament starting tomorrow ... even though it's never quite the same when Marquette's not in it. Thanks for nuthin', Wojo!
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That’s a really bad loss by Mich St.
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Search “Joey Hauser” on Twitter. Looks like he’s wore out his welcome at MSU.
Wow. That's really rough.
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**just some of the top tweets I read**
Joey Hauser plays basketball like those black and white videos you see from when the hoop was a wicker fruit basket.
If you had Joey Hauser with a bad entry pass to end the season, congrats you win, I had a heart attack. I'm dead. I died.
Has there ever been a bigger flop in the history of transfers? What did he do last year? Just eat sausage haus nonstop?
Don’t have the stats in front of me but... Hauser had to be -20
Hauser gotta go...
My transfer wish list:
Loyer
Kithier
Hauser
Watts
They simply are not good enough.
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At least Marquette made to the round of 64 with Joey unlike Michigan State
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Harry Froling went back to Australia and has become a relatively good player in the NBL. Joey has a similar game. “Skilled” stretch 4 but kind of slow of foot. Maybe he needs to head down under
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Here you go pissed off MUBB Hauser lovers.
This is a tweet from one of the MSU barstool accounts:
“Is there anyway we can send hauser back to Marquette?”
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44-33 halftime lead ... Heading off the court, Izzo goes ballistic, grabs Gabe Brown's arm and then Brown's jersey ... They "work it out" and "it's nothing" ... UCLA rallies to send it to OT ... Michigan State drops a game few expected them to lose.
Quite possibly a coincidence. But if it happened to dozens or even hundreds of other coaches -- including Marquette's -- it might not be so easily dismissed.
After the game, Izzo dismissed it pretty quickly and made it clear he didn't like being asked about it.
On the postgame show, Kenny Smith said: "It was a question that had to be asked. It's not a coach's job to create chaos. It's his job to control it. And that wasn't controlling it. It's not a normal environment."
Barkley said the opposite, saying Izzo had every right to grab the arm and jersey of a player who walked away when being screamed at.
OK ... time to hit the rack. See y'all tomorrow.
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Harry Froling went back to Australia and has become a relatively good player in the NBL. Joey has a similar game. “Skilled” stretch 4 but kind of slow of foot. Maybe he needs to head down under
Agree with you on this
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Sidebars My Son used to play video games with Harry Froling. Watched Joey’s High School State Game on Mr and Mrs Hauser’s phone. Mr Hauser told me he wanted both Hausers to stay. But it was incredibly complicated.
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44-33 halftime lead ... Heading off the court, Izzo goes ballistic, grabs Gabe Brown's arm and then Brown's jersey ... They "work it out" and "it's nothing" ... UCLA rallies to send it to OT ... Michigan State drops a game few expected them to lose.
Quite possibly a coincidence. But if it happened to dozens or even hundreds of other coaches -- including Marquette's -- it might not be so easily dismissed.
After the game, Izzo dismissed it pretty quickly and made it clear he didn't like being asked about it.
On the postgame show, Kenny Smith said: "It was a question that had to be asked. It's not a coach's job to create chaos. It's his job to control it. And that wasn't controlling it. It's not a normal environment."
Barkley said the opposite, saying Izzo had every right to grab the arm and jersey of a player who walked away when being screamed at.
OK ... time to hit the rack. See y'all tomorrow.
Points well taken. If it was a young and inexperienced coach the incident would not be easily dismissed. Just sayin....
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Sidebars My Son used to play video games with Harry Froling. Watched Joey’s High School State Game on Mr and Mrs Hauser’s phone. Mr Hauser told me he wanted both Hausers to stay. But it was incredibly complicated.
I used to get a paycheck signed by the guy who was the model for Alfred E Neuman. True story.
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I used to get a paycheck signed by the guy who was the model for Alfred E Neuman. True story.
Lol not sure what that has to do with Marquette Basketball but that is awesome.
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Izzo is March.
Joey Hauser finished his first season under Tom Izzo with a lower offensive rating despite higher usage and taking a greater percentage of the shots. He shot 42% from 3 as a frosh at Marquette and 34% from 3 at Michigan State. He was unplayable on the defensive end, committing 4.9 fouls per 40 minutes versus 3.8 his freshman year at Marquette. His rebounding improved dramatically but remained a turnover machine. The regression is damning.
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Izzo is March.
Joey Hauser finished his first season under Tom Izzo with a lower offensive rating despite higher usage and taking a greater percentage of the shots. He shot 42% from 3 as a frosh at Marquette and 34% from 3 at Michigan State. He was unplayable on the defensive end, committing 4.9 fouls per 40 minutes versus 3.8 his freshman year at Marquette. His rebounding improved dramatically but remained a turnover machine. The regression is damning.
More proof that Wojo can't develop players!
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More proof that Wojo can't develop players!
Wojo’s one silver lining for the Hauser transfer imay be that he can't be blamed for Joey's lack of development.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but a pretty bonkers stat that doesn't bode well for Bucky today:
Roy Williams in his coaching career is 29-0 in the first round.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but a pretty bonkers stat that doesn't bode well for Bucky today:
Roy Williams in his coaching career is 29-0 in the first round.
Almost as impressive as The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
This stat is the type of stat that if UW-Madison wins, they’ll puff their chests out about for decades
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Almost as impressive as The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
This stat is the type of stat that if UW-Madison wins, they’ll puff their chests out about for decades
It's really a perfect storm for them if you think about it.
Win = something to gloat about forever... like when they stopped UK's undefeated season
Lose = couldn't be helped, Roy doesn't lose in the first round, and then 4 or 5 more excuses.
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It's really a perfect storm for them if you think about it.
Win = something to gloat about forever... like when they stopped UK's undefeated season
Lose = couldn't be helped, Roy doesn't lose in the first round, and then 4 or 5 more excuses.
The gloating at UK fans “38-1” always puzzles me when it didn’t end a title and UK beat them a year earlier as an 8-seed but whatever
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It's really a perfect storm for them if you think about it.
Win = something to gloat about forever... like when they stopped UK's undefeated season
Lose = couldn't be helped, Roy doesn't lose in the first round, and then 4 or 5 more excuses.
Conspiracy against noted good guy and choir boy Brad Davidson
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Wojo’s one silver lining for the Hauser transfer imay be that he can't be blamed for Joey's lack of development.
You think this will stop that? It's obviously Wojo's residual "de-motivating" tactics that held Joey back this season? Those tactics are so powerful that not even Izzo could overcome them -- though maybe if Izzo tried slapping Joey around, it might do the trick!
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Izzo is March.
Joey Hauser finished his first season under Tom Izzo with a lower offensive rating despite higher usage and taking a greater percentage of the shots. He shot 42% from 3 as a frosh at Marquette and 34% from 3 at Michigan State. He was unplayable on the defensive end, committing 4.9 fouls per 40 minutes versus 3.8 his freshman year at Marquette. His rebounding improved dramatically but remained a turnover machine. The regression is damning.
MSU was 3-10 in conference games where Hauser played 20+ minutes. 5-0 when he played less than 20.
He didn't play much last night, but I saw at least twice where he came in, made a bonehead turnover or foul, and immediately come out again. I greatly enjoyed it.
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Izzo is March.
Joey Hauser finished his first season under Tom Izzo with a lower offensive rating despite higher usage and taking a greater percentage of the shots. He shot 42% from 3 as a frosh at Marquette and 34% from 3 at Michigan State. He was unplayable on the defensive end, committing 4.9 fouls per 40 minutes versus 3.8 his freshman year at Marquette. His rebounding improved dramatically but remained a turnover machine. The regression is damning.
Hmmm, maybe playing alongside an all-American PG who simply doesn't miss from deep has its advantages for a slow spot up shooter/back to the basket wide post kind of guy.
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Bump. First round is under an hour away. Who does everyone have in the FF?
I went with Houston, Gonzaga, Alabama, OSU. Good teams but unique enough that I think I'll win the pool if it happens.
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Gonzaga, Florida St., Baylor, Illinois
Boring? Probably.
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Izzo is March.
Joey Hauser finished his first season under Tom Izzo with a lower offensive rating despite higher usage and taking a greater percentage of the shots. He shot 42% from 3 as a frosh at Marquette and 34% from 3 at Michigan State. He was unplayable on the defensive end, committing 4.9 fouls per 40 minutes versus 3.8 his freshman year at Marquette. His rebounding improved dramatically but remained a turnover machine. The regression is damning.
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Zags, Baylor, Illinois, Alabama
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I think other than maybe Crean, Buzz and Izzo, the coach Badger fans hate most is Roy Williams. I think it stemmed from comments back in 2000 about UW’s style of play.
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Gonzaga over Illinois title game, with Alabama and Arkansas rounding out the FF.
I'm pinning my hopes on chalk heavy early rounds to get the lead and hold on with the Zags winning it all.
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Gonzaga over Illinois title game, with Alabama and Arkansas rounding out the FF.
I'm pinning my hopes on chalk heavy early rounds to get the lead and hold on with the Zags winning it all.
My one concern with Gonzaga is they have not played anybody in months.
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MSU was 3-10 in conference games where Hauser played 20+ minutes. 5-0 when he played less than 20.
He didn't play much last night, but I saw at least twice where he came in, made a bonehead turnover or foul, and immediately come out again. I greatly enjoyed it.
In Joey's defense (no pun intended) that bounce pass he threw to Henry should have been caught. For some reason he used his left hand. Now, as for his defense in general? It's a problem and Izzo nor any other coach may have a solution. I've said for 2 plus years he cannot guard a chair. This isn't solvable by letter writing either.
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My one concern with Gonzaga is they have not played anybody in months.
Actually part of my strategy is that many people avoid picking Gonzaga winning the title, giving me an edge.
I'm in a small pool of 15-ish, so I might only have to beat 5 or so Gonzaga brackets.
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Someone forgot to close the blinds at Hinkle
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The gloating at UK fans “38-1” always puzzles me when it didn’t end a title and UK beat them a year earlier as an 8-seed but whatever
2 Final Fours consecutively is better than whatever the hell our program is doing by employing Wojo for 8 years...just sayin'
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2 Final Fours consecutively is better than whatever the hell our program is doing by employing Wojo for 8 years...just sayin'
I don’t disagree. I’d brag about that more than “38-1”
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Someone forgot to close the blinds at Hinkle
What’s the deal with that? Haven’t we played some early games there?
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Is my phone right? Colgate up 10 on Arkansas?
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Through 6 games, first half unders are 5-1, just sayin.
Illini/Drexel is strongly looking under too.
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Is my phone right? Colgate up 10 on Arkansas?
4 minutes later, its a 1 point game.
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With the news, if you could all do me a favor and moderate yourselves over the next 4 days - that would be awesome. I've got a lot of hoops to watch.
Best Regards,
rocky
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With the news, if you could all do me a favor and moderate yourselves over the next 4 days - that would be awesome. I've got a lot of hoops to watch.
Best Regards,
rocky
That's the spirit.
#14 Colgate up 1 on #3 Ark with 11:00 to go.
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Is my phone right? Colgate up 10 on Arkansas?
Up 1
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but a pretty bonkers stat that doesn't bode well for Bucky today:
Roy Williams in his coaching career is 29-0 in the first round.
I wonder how many of those were with seeds as low as 8.
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Drexel gets a tech for forgetting to put someone in the book. Even in the high school game I've only seen that twice in my life.
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free throws matta
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Through 6 games, first half unders are 5-1, just sayin.
Illini/Drexel is strongly looking under too.
7-1 now.
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Michigan transfer Colin Castleton is carrying Florida against VT.
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Will Utah State be the first upset over Texas Tech guess not 16-2 run by Texas Tech
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Oral Roberts winning by 1 over Ohio State
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Oral Roberts by 4 29 to 25
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Where's the ghost of the legend Stu Morril in the Utah St game?
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Where's the ghost of the legend Stu Morril in the Utah St game?
Sam Merrill playing for my Bucks do not hold it against me Bulls Fans
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Texas Tech took control of the game with McClung on the bench.
Good work by Arkansas pulling out a game where their offense sucked for long stretches.
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ORU 32 OSU 26.
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ORU 36 OSU 33
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7-1 now.
It’s raining cash on these...8-1 now.
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Two Words:
Oral Roberts?
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ORU 42 OSU 39.
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We talked with Markus’ Parents for a half an hour on a different bus too. I was taking a leak next to Markus at the banquet and asked him to pass Joey and Sam the ball. Markus said he would. Markus then when straight to Sam told him. Sam waived Joey over but Joey kept going and Sam followed him and left. I told Mr Hauser that Markus would pass his kids the ball. Mr Hauser told me he believed Markus would but his boys did not. Mr Hauser said it is not me you have to tell but rather the boys. I felt the transfer was my fault since I did not talk to the boys. Markus was on the NCAA board. There was some other Hipaa protected stuff. It was very complicated. # I was the one who yelled Go at the top of my lungs in a silent Rupp Arena when Marquette’s Vander caught the inbound pass against Davidson.
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ORI 45 OSU 42.
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It’s raining cash on these...8-1 now.
9-1...
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Loyola with 3 pts in 7 mins?? Ouch.
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Loyola may get run out if the gym tonight.
Though GT is holding Krutwig every possession, going with the “well they’re not gonna call a foul on every possession” strategy.
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Loyola with 3 pts in 7 mins?? Ouch.
GT only gave 55 ppg for the season.
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#15 ORU +2 on Ohio State with 5:21 to go. This one's gonna be interesting.
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#15 ORU +2 on Ohio State with 5:21 to go. This one's gonna be interesting.
Don't think Ohio St. is going to cover...
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Early yet but Oregon State 18 Tennessee 7
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OSU winning 64 to 62
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ORU down 2 25 sec
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Drew Foul got to make 1 more
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Holtman going with the ice
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Tied 14.9 Left
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OT
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Daaamn.
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Damn.....come on ORU.
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ORU up 69-66.
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70-66
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ORU 72-66 OSU ball 2:05 left
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ORU up 69-66.
How tall is this guard on ORU? On the radio they have said there is no way he is 6'1. This would be absolutely epic if ORU gets this done.
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All the talk about how the big 10 is the best of the best this year jeez
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ORU 72-66 OSU Ball 1:23 left
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How tall is this guard on ORU? On the radio they have said there is no way he is 6'1. This would be absolutely epic if ORU gets this done.
he's 6'1 like Howard was 5'11
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he's 6'1 like Howard was 5'11
Can not see an listening on ESPN U Westwood One Radio
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EJ Liddell has been really good all year, but he's playing like he cant feel his hands the last 5+ min of gametime. Just no ball control
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ORU 72-69 22.9 Left ORU 2 free throws
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ORU 73-72
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ORU 75-72 13 sec
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FOUL UP 3!
never mind, just play good D
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ORU 75-72 Final
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Holy crap
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ORU 75-72 Final
BAM!!!!
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Fun to have March Madness back!
Glad I didn't have Ohio State going further than Sweet 16 -- didn't trust 'em.
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Well, I guess it's good I had Florida knocking off OSU in the next round. wow.
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Duane Washington Jr with one of the worst final 90 seconds you can half. Brick 2 clutch FTs, HORRIFIC out of control selfish take to the hoop, then misses a wide open 3 to tie it. Dude should probably go pro now, Cbus disowns him
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How am I ever going to recover from the disappointment of seeing the Buckeyes go down to an embarrassing defeat?
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All the talk about how the big 10 is the best of the best this year jeez
We hear it every year, and it's amplified living in B10 country. Meanwhile, they have produced one tourney winner in the last 32 years...
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What an embarrassing performance from Ohio State. No hustle no urgency. Just sleep walking. Oral Roberts didn’t even bring their best game and won.
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Well, I guess it's good I had Florida knocking off OSU in the next round. wow.
Nice RW!!
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9-1...
I’d like to announce my retirement.
11-1 now, perfect 8-0 today.
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The Golden Eagles beat the Buckeyes. Oh, those other Golden Eagles.
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Duane Washington Jr with one of the worst final 90 seconds you can half. Dude should probably go pro now, Cbus disowns him
The Vietnamese B League is still suspended due to COVID.
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Cmon Baylor, cover...
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Nice RW!!
Hah. It may be my only win. I don't have Baylor or the Zags in my final 4.
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The Vietnamese B League is still suspended due to COVID.
Nah, 6'3 SG that averaged 16 in the B10 and rarely passes? He's got China or Japan written all over him
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unnatural carnal knowledge walkons
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Hah. It may be my only win. I don't have Baylor or the Zags in my final 4.
I picked Florida to the S16 eo I guess it doesn't totally crush me bracket wise.
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How am I ever going to recover from the disappointment of seeing the Buckeyes go down to an embarrassing defeat?
Hopefully you'll be okay Blue.
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What an embarrassing performance from Ohio State. No hustle no urgency. Just sleep walking. Oral Roberts didn’t even bring their best game and won.
But I thought this year's Big Ten was HISTORICALLY good?
Really hope the rest continue to tank with how much unfounded love they got this year.
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We talked with Markus’ Parents for a half an hour on a different bus too. I was taking a leak next to Markus at the banquet and asked him to pass Joey and Sam the ball. Markus said he would. Markus then when straight to Sam told him. Sam waived Joey over but Joey kept going and Sam followed him and left. I told Mr Hauser that Markus would pass his kids the ball. Mr Hauser told me he believed Markus would but his boys did not. Mr Hauser said it is not me you have to tell but rather the boys. I felt the transfer was my fault since I did not talk to the boys. Markus was on the NCAA board. There was some other Hipaa protected stuff. It was very complicated. # I was the one who yelled Go at the top of my lungs in a silent Rupp Arena when Marquette’s Vander caught the inbound pass against Davidson.
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Upset #2 Oregon State 55 Tennessee 40.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/52ezq2.jpg)
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Oregon State 59 Tennessee 42.
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Watching Oregon St. clobber TN (which I didn't pick) makes me think I should have picked Georgetown over CU - similar success to end the season.
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Wow. Just got home abs see Tenn is done.
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We talked with Markus’ Parents for a half an hour on a different bus too. I was taking a leak next to Markus at the banquet and asked him to pass Joey and Sam the ball. Markus said he would. Markus then when straight to Sam told him. Sam waived Joey over but Joey kept going and Sam followed him and left. I told Mr Hauser that Markus would pass his kids the ball. Mr Hauser told me he believed Markus would but his boys did not. Mr Hauser said it is not me you have to tell but rather the boys. I felt the transfer was my fault since I did not talk to the boys. Markus was on the NCAA board. There was some other Hipaa protected stuff. It was very complicated. # I was the one who yelled Go at the top of my lungs in a silent Rupp Arena when Marquette’s Vander caught the inbound pass against Davidson.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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But I thought this year's Big Ten was HISTORICALLY good?
Really hope the rest continue to tank with how much unfounded love they got this year.
Definitely overrated (what’s new). I thought the Big 12 was pretty obviously the best conference
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We talked with Markus’ Parents for a half an hour on a different bus too. I was taking a leak next to Markus at the banquet and asked him to pass Joey and Sam the ball. Markus said he would. Markus then when straight to Sam told him. Sam waived Joey over but Joey kept going and Sam followed him and left. I told Mr Hauser that Markus would pass his kids the ball. Mr Hauser told me he believed Markus would but his boys did not. Mr Hauser said it is not me you have to tell but rather the boys. I felt the transfer was my fault since I did not talk to the boys. Markus was on the NCAA board. There was some other Hipaa protected stuff. It was very complicated. # I was the one who yelled Go at the top of my lungs in a silent Rupp Arena when Marquette’s Vander caught the inbound pass against Davidson.
Wth are you droning on about?
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Kids were wondering when we'd get to see live music again so we watched Stop Making Sense the other day. That is essentially my review of that (awesome) show/movie.
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Liberty?
I don't like what I see from UNC early. I hope I'm wrong.
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Watching Oregon St. clobber TN (which I didn't pick) makes me think I should have picked Georgetown over CU - similar success to end the season.
Ehh, don’t discount the Rick Barnes is the anti-Izzo in March
Liberty?
Cunningham and Boone, 2 of the top 3 scorers for OK St have combined for 2 points. It’s still the first half, Cunningham will get it going
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Ehh, don’t discount the Rick Barnes is the anti-Izzo in March
Hah, I apparently did discount that when making my bracket.
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Wow. Just got home abs see Tenn is done.
Yes love it that is awesome. Let the upsets and madness continue.
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State of Wisconsin appears to be kryptonite for UNC. Too bad. Come on, heels
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UNC looks a lot like the undisciplined team that played Marquette.
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Two pretty bad teams in WI and UNC. The only question is which would be worse today
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UNC looks a lot like the undisciplined team that played Marquette.
I probably would have picked them to lose if they were playing anyone other than Bucky.
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Two pretty bad teams in WI and UNC. The only question is which would be worse today
Wisconsin looks really good.
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Wisconsin looks really good.
Definitely playing well. UNC playing as poorly as WI is playing well.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/52ezq2.jpg)
LOL. “Cords held his hand to my ear because I left my hearing aid at my grandsons”
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UNC actually had played well since they lost to us. Playing like poo-poo tonight, dammit.
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11-1 first half unders today. Damn you Houston with your last second first half bucket to go over!
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UNC looks a lot like the undisciplined team that played Marquette.
Yup. You could see it early Blue. Hopefully Baylor takes care of business on Sun.
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Davison refuses to miss today and it’s quite obnoxious.
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Anyone elsedislike Carolina more than UW?
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Agree Davidson missed his first shot but since then enfuego on fire from 3.
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Give Flopison credit. He's on fire.
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27 points for Davidson on 5-7 threes
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Wisconsin will be in the 80s at this point in points no pun intended
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Lol this is all true.
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Wth are you droning on about?
A Marquette Scoop
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Could it be the Mean Green's night?
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Could it be the Mean Green's night?
Could it be 3 teams gone from the big 10
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Oklahoma State holds on.
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Could it be the Mean Green's night?
Probably too much time Purdue should win.
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Give Flopison credit. He's on fire.
He's lucky the games are in Indy instead of Milwaukee.
What did he have in his two career road games vs Marquette? Something like 2 points total? And two losses.
Definition of "twat," and I can't wait for Baylor's bigs to flatten him like the insect he is.
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He's lucky the games are in Indy instead of Milwaukee.
What did he have in his two career road games vs Marquette? Something like 2 points total? And two losses.
Definition of "twat," and I can't wait for Baylor's bigs to flatten him like the insect he is.
Hopefully Baylor's guards will play like they did earlier in the year.
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Wonder if that UNC job will open. Roy is over the hill.
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One thing I will say about Wisky.. Jonathan Davis is going to be a really good player for them. Athletic and smooth.
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Probably too much time Purdue should win.
If there's one thing I've learned in this world MarquetteMike, discounting the Mean Green can be analogous to seppuku.
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One thing I will say about Wisky.. Jonathan Davis is going to be a really good player for them. Athletic and smooth.
For whatever reason, he never panicked or looked overmatched even though he's a Freshman.
Will end up being a real glue guy.
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I will never understand why one guy holds the ball on the dribble constantly when a team has the last shot in college hoops. It's not like a Harden or Durant is out there.
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Mean Green Tied
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I will never understand why obr guy hold sthe ball on the dribble constantly when a team has the last shot in college hoops. It's not like a Harden or Duraht is out there.
It's because you don't want to give the other team a shot. If you miss, worst-case scenario is game goes into OT.
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Did you see that jump ball to begin overtime??? WTF??
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I will never understand why one guy holds the ball on the dribble constantly when a team has the last shot in college hoops. It's not like a Harden or Durant is out there.
Drives me nuts. Or when guys take a three, when all you need in a two.
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Did you see that jump ball to begin overtime??? WTF??
Might as well of handed it to Purdue.
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Based on general principle the Mean Green deserve the W.
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Has Avery Johnson announced college games before? I'm not saying he's bad I just don't remember ever hearing him before.
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North Texas 68-61 yes
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Has Avery Johnson announced college games before? I'm not saying he's bad I just don't remember ever hearing him before.
Does games on CBSSN. Mostly Conference USA and Patroit League.
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Does games on CBSSN. Mostly Conference USA and Patroit League.
Ty.
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I like Avery. Talks a little much at times but has good observations.
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MEAN
GREEN
:)
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72-64 calling it mean green victory
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That dad in the stands is awesome!
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Ohio State, a 2-seed, done.
Purdue, a 4-seed, done.
Michigan State, coached by a Hall of Famer, done.
The greatest conference ever is 2-3 so far, with Rutgers playing right now. I've got Rutgers going to the Sweet 16, FWIW (and it ain't worth much!).
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Ohio State, a 2-seed, done.
Purdue, a 4-seed, done.
Michigan State, coached by a Hall of Famer, done.
The greatest conference ever is 2-3 so far, with Rutgers playing right now. I've got Rutgers going to the Sweet 16, FWIW (and it ain't worth much!).
Rutgers?? Too much Whiskey on St. Patrick's Day?
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Rutgers?? Too much Whiskey on St. Patrick's Day?
There will be upsets. Gotta pick the right ones. Sometimes I do, often I don't ... like most other bracket-pickers.
Meanwhile ...
Nova 0-6 from 3-point range. But Moore is moving well early on, and JRE is by far the best player on the court.
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Good start for Nova but they can't hit a 3. And Winthrop's lefty center is a little bit like Davante. :)
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Good start for Nova but they can't hit a 3. And their lefty center is a little bit like Davante. :)
Awesome?
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I don't understand teams (coaches) that can't decipher Boeheim's zone. Sure, it's really effective when he also has his best offense. But in mediocre years? It's not like you don't have 40+ years of tape to look at.
edit: for the kiddos, tape = video. I'm well aware nobody uses tape anymore. Or removable magnetic spinning disks (do you know what those are?)
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Wow. SDSU didn't score the final 9:40 of the half vs Syracuse.
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Wow. SDSU didn't score the final 9:40 of the half vs Syracuse.
i dont belive it... madnesss
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Go Clemson!
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Final unbelievable tally on first half unders.
13-2-1 today
16-3-1 if you include yesterday
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Every other year Cuse gets into the tourney when they shouldn’t...and then somehow pulls an upset like this. Hate them so much
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Boeheim does a great job talking about and saying how you can not win the tourney if you are not in it and getting his team to focus and tighten up there D in the tourney somehow.
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Every other year Cuse gets into the tourney when they shouldn’t...and then somehow pulls an upset like this. Hate them so much
Well said. Can't stand them.
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How was that a travel on Clemson
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Well said. Can't stand them.
I used to not stand them until my Daughter Graduated from there. Do not hold it against me.
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Rutgers?? Too much Whiskey on St. Patrick's Day?
Yes, Rutgers.
And I'm just a boring beer guy.
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How was that a travel on Clemson
I didn't get that call at all. But it wasn't an important possession or anything. Smh.
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Rutgers 30 Years between Tourneys
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Oral Roberts like 47 years between wins
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How was that a travel on Clemson
They could have won that game easily. Way too many unforced errors in the last 10 minutes. If they play Rutgers 10 times, I bet Clemson wins at least 7 of them.
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I used to not stand them until my Daughter Graduated from there. Do not hold it against me.
No worries!!
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Rutgers first tourney win since 1983.
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Iffy travel call, but Brownell choosing to play it out there was moronic. Rutgers was still in the bonus. Extend the game. At very best, once you corral a rebound on a miss they would have 5 seconds to try to turn it up floor and score. Just brain dead.
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I'm impressed with Winthrop. Nova will have to earn this one.
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Iffy travel call, but Brownell choosing to play it out there was moronic. Rutgers was still in the bonus. Extend the game. At very best, once you corral a rebound on a miss they would have 5 seconds to try to turn it up floor and score. Just brain dead.
Totally agree. Why would you risk them scoring with under 10 secs left to make it a two possession game?
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I'm impressed with Winthrop. Nova will have to earn this one.
Winthrop is focusing on just staying in front of their man and allowing sickouts. Nova shooting lots of 3's and have missed a number of wide open ones.
Nova has a fight on their hands.
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JRE needs to operate inside. He is nifty in there, a good passer, good at drawing fouls.
Every time he takes a 3, he does Winthrop a favor.
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Good win for Nova. They stopped settling for threes and pounded the ball inside in the 2nd half. It's never bad when you have 6 turns, only 2 live ball.
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Good win for Nova. They stopped settling for threes and pounded the ball inside in the 2nd half. It's never bad when you have 6 turns, onlt 2 live ball.
Yep. One second after the bracket was announced, a zillion talking heads screamed, "Winthrop will beat Villanova!" As if there couldn't even be debate about the subject.
Glad Nova won, played decently all night and very well down the stretch.
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Yep. One second after the bracket was announced, a zillion talking heads screamed, "Winthrop will beat Villanova!" As if there couldn't even be debate about the subject.
Glad Nova won, played decently all night and very well down the stretch.
Happy For The Big East Villanova Won!
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Congrats to Huggy on his 900th win.
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Dear Coach Izzo,
Next season, please do something to get the ball out of the hands of all your bad players so good players like Joey can do all the shooting.
That might sound selfish, but Joey is really only thinking of all the other good players like him.
Love,
Mommy and Daddy Hauser
So you were accidentally copied on the email too, huh?
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Oral Roberts like 47 years between wins
ORU 47 years, Oregon State 38, Drake 50, Rutgers 30+, North Texas never. What a great day!
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Two biggest upsets? ORU and NTSU. Both head coaches were assistants to Bryce Drew at Baylor. People assume he cheats because he wins at a non blue blood. Maybe he’s just that good at coaching basketball.
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Two biggest upsets? ORU and NTSU. Both head coaches were assistants to Bryce Drew at Baylor. People assume he cheats because he wins at a non blue blood. Maybe he’s just that good at coaching basketball.
Maybe, but its not just fans who say that about Drew. His peers say that as well.
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Hoyas look overmatched early.
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Colorado's getting the same wide-open 3s that Cain, Elliott, Garcia and Carton were. They're hitting all theirs, we hit none of ours.
Colorado also is better at many other aspects of basketball than this season's Marquette team was ... so there's that!
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Wow. Gtown getting smoked. Colorado 11-16 from distance. But these are wide open threes. Gtown can't guard 5 out.
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11 made three's by Colorado. Tough to overcome.
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Colorado's getting the same wide-open 3s that Cain, Elliott, Garcia and Carton were. They're hitting all theirs, we hit none of ours.
Colorado also is better at many other aspects of basketball than this season's Marquette team was ... so there's that!
Colorado can play 5 out AND look really good defensively. They have owned the defensive glass. Gtown looks completely lost on both ends of the floor.
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11 made three's by Colorado. Tough to overcome.
two different teams playing in this one. Not competitive.
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This is not the same Georgetown team that won the BET. They don’t look nearly as hungry
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Georgetown is just not very good, and we all knew that. A hot month against mostly meh competition didn't suddenly make Patrick Ewing a great coach or his players world-beaters.
This was the easiest 12/5 game to pick. I didn't hesitate for one second in writing down Colorado. At least the other three made me think for a minute (and I'm 1-1 so far, obviously didn't think Tennessee would get smoked).
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Two biggest upsets? ORU and NTSU. Both head coaches were assistants to Bryce Drew at Baylor. People assume he cheats because he wins at a non blue blood. Maybe he’s just that good at coaching basketball.
People say he cheats, because it is well known that he cheats. But that just gets players through the door. Getting them to win, also requires that he is good at coaching basketball.
One doesn't preclude the other.
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Georgetown is just not very good, and we all knew that. A hot month against mostly meh competition didn't suddenly make Patrick Ewing a great coach or his players world-beaters.
This was the easiest 12/5 game to pick. I didn't hesitate for one second in writing down Colorado. At least the other three made me think for a minute (and I'm 1-1 so far, obviously didn't think Tennessee would get smoked).
I actually changed my pick to Colorado after your advice. Ty.
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Not the best place for this. But saw this story related to Ohio State losing. Fans threatening players to the point that police had to be called. Some of our fans may be crazy, but at least they haven't gone that far yet.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31097748/ohio-state-ej-liddell-responds-disgruntled-fans-ncaa-tournament-loss
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Agreed. Georgetown is terrible. They have been all year. Colorado is legitimately good. Easy pick.
Nova was pretty easy as well. Oregon St surprised me. Creighton has me a bit worried. UCSB is good.
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Not the best place for this. But saw this story related to Ohio State losing. Fans threatening players to the point that police had to be called. Some of our fans may be crazy, but at least they haven't gone that far yet.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31097748/ohio-state-ej-liddell-responds-disgruntled-fans-ncaa-tournament-loss
I read this too. There are some very sick losers out there and reading this breaks your heart for that kid
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2020-2021 has been the year where every player says “give me that sh*t” after blocking a shot. It is actually becoming quite obnoxious.
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Agree with GTown comments they were 3-8 got COVID then went 10-4. But overall not very good for an NCAA Team.
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2020-2021 has been the year where every player says “give me that sh*t” after blocking a shot. It is actually becoming quite obnoxious.
i hear it every year all the time
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Agree with GTown comments they were 3-8 got COVID then went 10-4. But overall not very good for an NCAA Team.
How the hell they won BEast tourney is crazy. BEast just not very good this year.
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Eastern Wash beating Kansas would salvage the morning session today.
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Every time I watch Florida State, they look like world beaters.
tOSU fans are the reason DJ left.
EWU winning would be awesome
Georgetown played one good week of basketball. Totally predictable.
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Not the best place for this. But saw this story related to Ohio State losing. Fans threatening players to the point that police had to be called. Some of our fans may be crazy, but at least they haven't gone that far yet.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31097748/ohio-state-ej-liddell-responds-disgruntled-fans-ncaa-tournament-loss
My guess is they’re a-hole degenerate gamblers and not OSU fans.
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My guess is they’re a-hole degenerate gamblers and not OSU fans.
They’re OSU fans that never stepped foot in a classroom in Columbus.
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Damn. EWU must clean the defensive glass!!
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Ban the charge. College refs have no idea how to call it. It ruins games.
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Ban the charge. College refs have no idea how to call it. It ruins games.
But, but...how would the Brad Davison’s of the world get an athletic scholarship otherwise?
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Jayhawks trailing 58-52
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Ban the charge. College refs have no idea how to call it. It ruins games.
Agree. Lots of faux flops. Only Greg Elliott gets a flop technical.
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Ban the charge. College refs have no idea how to call it. It ruins games.
If the charge was outlawed, Wojo never would have been considered a great defender.
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Come On Bonnies
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Ban the charge. College refs have no idea how to call it. It ruins games.
The spirit of the rule is ruined. It’s become a substitute for defense. Sliding under players, building your whole strategy against packing the lane and flopping, it’s terrible.
If the charge was outlawed, Wojo never would have been considered a great defender.
He’s probably the most overrated college defender of all time. The DPOY he won was a complete Duke PR driven joke.
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If the charge was outlawed, Wojo never would have been considered a great defender.
He never coached it
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I actually changed my pick to Colorado after your advice. Ty.
Homer And Tony were talking about that game yesterday on the radio for awhile.
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Two biggest upsets? ORU and NTSU. Both head coaches were assistants to Bryce Drew at Baylor. People assume he cheats because he wins at a non blue blood. Maybe he’s just that good at coaching basketball.
Scott Drew is at Baylor. Bryce is at Grand Canyon.
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Georgetown is just not very good, and we all knew that. A hot month against mostly meh competition didn't suddenly make Patrick Ewing a great coach or his players world-beaters.
This was the easiest 12/5 game to pick. I didn't hesitate for one second in writing down Colorado. At least the other three made me think for a minute (and I'm 1-1 so far, obviously didn't think Tennessee would get smoked).
Agree. I was surprised to hear that a good number of people picked GTown.
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How did that shot not count for EWU?? WTH??
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UNCG played far better than UNC.
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I actually changed my pick to Colorado after your advice. Ty.
Easy pick was Villanova over Winthrop. Never pick what everyone picks. Weird, zero buzz about Oregon State over Tennessee.
Outstanding week for Georgetown last week. Something I've been dreaming about for Marquette since 2006. Better days ahead.
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Dang Bonnies laying an egg
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LSU is really talented. Thomas and Watford are both NBA players and Smart is a sniper from deep this year. They are inconsistent at times, but they will give Michigan, without Livers, all they can handle IMO
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And the second backdoor cover in as many days knocks me out of my spread pool.
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The spirit of the rule is ruined. It’s become a substitute for defense. Sliding under players, building your whole strategy against packing the lane and flopping, it’s terrible.
He’s probably the most overrated college defender of all time. The DPOY he won was a complete Duke PR driven joke.
I saw a video when he was hired of him doing the charge fall despite the offensive player missing him by two feet.
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I know it’s early, but Creighton blows.
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Creighton looks like they're going to blown out. Not good.
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Creighton down 16 to 8
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This is the one I was worried about. UCSB just looks flat out better at both ends.
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LSU is really talented. Thomas and Watford are both NBA players and Smart is a sniper from deep this year. They are inconsistent at times, but they will give Michigan, without Livers, all they can handle IMO
Agreed.
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just classic creighton. did anyone seriosuly pic them to the S16?
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UCSB was getting 7.5 this morning, which is just absolutely ridiculous to me
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just classic creighton. did anyone seriosuly pic them to the S16?
:o Yes. Honestly, the choices were Creighton, UCSB, VA (Crappy ACC, haven't practiced in over a week), or Ohio. Basically a coin flip which one can make the S16.
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I'm a fan of whoever is the sideline reporter in the Creighton game.
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Slick Rick looks a lot less greasy these days.
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Good finish to the half. Impressed by the defensive intensity all around but specifically from Bishop and Mahoney. Haven't seen a ton of that from Creighton this year.
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I'm a fan of whoever is the sideline reporter in the Creighton game.
She is a baseball girl. MLB Network and TBS. Easy on the eyes!
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Good finish to the half. Impressed by the defensive intensity all around but specifically from Bishop and Mahoney. Haven't seen a ton of that from Creighton this year.
Very good response by Zega. Surprised. Hopefully they can keep it up.
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Were the refs today instructed to call 10-15 offensive fouls? Some of these flops are outrageous.
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Go Creighton!
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Jerome Whitehead Miami Ohio elbow in the Michigan game 7’2” player against 6’foot player deemed flagrant. It was worse than J’s Jerome’s IMO
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couldnt care less if crapton losses. they never go anywhere
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18-3 run from UCSB lol
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18-3 run from UCSB lol
Creighton has 5 points in the last 8 min. Including a solid 4 min scoreless stretch out of the under 8 TO. They have firepower but, like they have all season, they just disappear for long stretches. It’s baffling
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So which Scoop Wet Dream are we rooting for, Oats or Pitino?
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Creighton has 5 points in the last 8 min. Including a solid 4 min scoreless stretch out of the under 8 TO. They have firepower but, like they have all season, they just disappear for long stretches. It’s baffling
Zegarowski has gone about four minutes without a shot and went a long stretch without even touching the ball.
Important 5-0 run there for CU but the strategy is odd to say the least.
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Creighton has 5 points in the last 8 min. Including a solid 4 min scoreless stretch out of the under 8 TO. They have firepower but, like they have all season, they just disappear for long stretches. It’s baffling
I still don’t think McDermott has ever been a great in game coach. If Creighton lose this wouldn’t shock me to see Creighton and McDermott go their separate ways this offseason.
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Zegarowski has gone about four minutes without a shot and went a long stretch without even touching the ball.
Important 5-0 run there for CU but the strategy is odd to say the least.
Was thinking the exact same. There were 2 possessions in a row where he just stood in one spot, hands on his knees, and didn't even move. Exhausted? Hurting? Just Creighton being effen weird?
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(Unfounded) Conspiracy theory time! Do you think the NCAA underseeds 12 seeds intentionally and over seeds 5 seeds to fit their 12-5 matchup narrative?
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Was thinking the exact same. There were 2 possessions in a row where he just stood in one spot, hands on his knees, and didn't even move. Exhausted? Hurting? Just Creighton being effen weird?
He’s a perfect star for Creighton. Very good, but vanishes inexplicably, just like their overall offense.
(Unfounded) Conspiracy theory time! Do you think the NCAA underseeds 12 seeds intentionally and over seeds 5 seeds to fit their 12-5 matchup narrative?
I think it’s simpler than that. 5 seeds are teams that usually stuck around the bottom of the top 25 all year. Good but usually inconsistent, hence why they didn’t carry higher. 12s are usually the best mid majors and scuffling/bubble P6 schools. Both have a lot of upside against teams that struggle with consistency.
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make a lay up!! damnit
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UCSB in and out yes
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Whew. Let's make these free throws.
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make a lay up!! damnit
He was more concerned about contact.
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Whew. Let's make these free throws.
Again Go Creighton!!
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Never a doubt! Creighton moves the BEast to 2-1.
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Bishop was cool as a cucumber on those FTs. He is normally a horrible FT shooter.
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63-62 Creighton Go Big East Yes!
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Never a doubt! Creighton moves the BEast to 2-1.
I never thought Bishop would make both free throws.
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Meanwhile.....Iona up 1 on Bama. Uh-Oh bracket.
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make a lay up!! damnit
You didn't seriously pic UCSB for your S16 did you? ;D
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Good for the conference but bummer. Really like UCSB.
Wanted the 12/13 matchup
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You didn't seriously pic UCSB for your S16 did you? ;D
nah just wanted creighton to lose for some reason
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Meanwhile.....Iona up 1 on Bama. Uh-Oh bracket.
Oates Versus Pitino
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nah just wanted creighton to lose for some reason
Hah, ok. I really do think this 4 team "pod" is a coinflip, with VA being the complete wildcard. Ohio will probably be the S16 rep.
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I like Drake’s Coach, it will bust my brackets but Hope Drake Pulls the Upset!
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just classic creighton. did anyone seriosuly pic them to the S16?
I did.
I picked all four 5s to beat the 12s in the first round. They were 3-1, which is pretty much the norm over the last many years; 2019 was an anomaly.
I picked Creighton and Virginia to win their games, Creighton to beat Virginia, and the Gonzaga to thrash Creighton within an inch of their lives. Could Gonzaga possibly have had an easier bracket? I don't think so.
Despite doing well on the 12/5 games and a couple others, my bracket is wrecked because I picked San Diego State to go to the Elite 8. Oh well. Gotta pick some upsets - it's hard to pick the right ones!
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Too bad this Quinnerly never showed up for Nova
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Hah, ok. I really do think this 4 team "pod" is a coinflip, with VA being the complete wildcard. Ohio will probably be the S16 rep.
I decided why not and picked Ohio. Preston's journey is amazing.
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Good for the conference but bummer. Really like UCSB.
Wanted the 12/13 matchup
Same. I have no idea what UCSB’s plan in the half court was. CU is annoying.
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Too bad this Quinnerly never showed up for Nova
His jelly fam fans say its exclusively wright sabotaging him. kid seemed pretty entitled. Hope marlyand/uconn trashes bama. Cant lie though. The kid is crazy fast and is arguably the best 3pt shooter in the country. the only thing holding him back is his 6 foot skinny frame.
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I decided why not and picked Ohio. Preston's journey is amazing.
Ohio was a favorite of the talking heads, too. About half a second after seeing the pairing, Bilas shouted, "Ohio will beat Virginia!" And he (and you) might be right - certainly could happen.
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Quinnerly has been huge in the 2nd half. It would have been interesting if he stayed at Nova.
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Ohio was a favorite of the talking heads, too. About half a second after seeing the pairing, Bilas shouted, "Ohio will beat Virginia!" And he (and you) might be right - certainly could happen.
Ughh. That means UVA probably wins.
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Hope marlyand/uconn trashes bama.
Now I feel like it's personal and you're just picking against my bracket. I have Bama winning it all.
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Now I feel like it's personal and you're just picking against my bracket. I have Bama winning it all.
im picking against my own as well just dont care. f em
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im picking against my own as well just dont care. f em
Usually it takes me until day 3 of the tournament to determine my bracket is hopelessly busted and root for all upsets.
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Uhhh, when did Drew Peterson transfer to USC? Always thought Rice was a bit below his talent level, kid was a stud at Libertyville, just ridiculously skinny.
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Ughh. That means UVA probably wins.
92% of public money on Ohio covering.
Everyone knows UVA has Covid issues, so maybe the public is right? I’m undecided there still.
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Everyone knows UVA has Covid issues, so maybe the public is right? I’m undecided there still.
I actually haven't looked. Did VA say which player(s) was out for sure? I know there was one, but they hadn't named him on Tue.
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I actually haven't looked. Did VA say which player(s) was out for sure? I know there was one, but they hadn't named him on Tue.
Not sure either. Haven't looked enough. Still no practice, Zoom meetings, yadda yadda.
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VCU is out. Oregon to the 2nd round.
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Garza looking at his hands after air balling a free throw looks exactly like me after yanking a shot in bowling.
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VCU is out. Oregon to the 2nd round.
Whoa. Was all so smooth until now. Hopefully the bubbles stayed in tact (and masked up) up to now.
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Feel terrible for VCU. Crushing blow.
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VCU is out. Oregon to the 2nd round.
I was hoping we could get through the tournament without this happening but I guess it's not a big surprise unfortunately. I feel really bad for VCU.
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I was hoping we could get through the tournament without this happening but I guess it's not a big surprise unfortunately. I feel really bad for VCU.
I'm surprised. Didn't think it would happen on a late Saturday afternoon.
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VCU is out. Oregon to the 2nd round.
That really sucks.
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Whoa. Was all so smooth until now. Hopefully the bubbles stayed in tact (and masked up) up to now.
My first thought was the bubbles was broken by VCU players.
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Oregon-VCU declared no-contest as COVID-19 positive advances Ducks into second round of 2021 NCAA Tournament
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Oregon-VCU declared no-contest as COVID-19 positive advances Ducks into second round of 2021 NCAA Tournament
Woah. Hadn’t seen that on here yet.
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Entire tournament has an asterisk now
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Woah. Hadn’t seen that on here yet.
lol ikr
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VCU is out. Oregon to the 2nd round.
That Stinks Atlantic 10 all teams out of tournament
Lol was at the Zoo and out to dinner in 3rd Ward obviously I am not paying enough attention to the important things l
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Well, duh ... that's why I picked Oregon!
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That Stinks Atlantic 10 all teams out of tournament
Lol was at the Zoo and out to dinner in 3rd Ward obviously I am not paying enough attention to the important things l
Water Buffalo still around? Liked brunch at Benelux too
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VCU is out. Oregon to the 2nd round.
Brutal. Imagine if this happens in the later rounds?
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That sucks. Did Vegas have odds on number of forfeited games?
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I love the state of Wisconsin, but the commentators for the Virginia game can’t talk about anything beyond Bennett connections and Wisconsin.
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I love the state of Wisconsin, but the commentators for the Virginia game can’t talk about anything beyond Bennett connections and Wisconsin.
These commenarltors are poor in general.
Unfortunately there is no way to sync radio with the TV.
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Go UConn!
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god uconn looking bad
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Terps picked a good day to be on fire 6-8 on mostly contested 3s. Like the Badgers picked a good day to be on fire Davidson 5-7 on threes. UConn picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue that is about it so far haha.
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Wow. I was watching Ohio/UVA. 22 points for UCONN??
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Wow. I was watching Ohio/UVA. 22 points for UCONN??
Brutal.
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CBS announcers said Maryland wants it more than UConn.
Ipso fatso, "evidence" that UConn is quitting on Hurley.
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What exactly is the protocol for COVID at the tournament? I know they've said teams can play with 5 players but does anyone know how often players and others are being tested?
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CBS announcers said Maryland wants it more than UConn.
Ipso fatso, "evidence" that UConn is quitting on Hurley.
Weird statement for the announcers to make about a team that's battled for 18 offensive rebounds in 20 minutes.
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Water Buffalo still around? Liked brunch at Benelux too
Loved Water Buffalo too but believe it is now called Blue Bat or something. Benelux was packed today.
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What exactly is the protocol for COVID at the tournament? I know they've said teams can play with 5 players but does anyone know how often players and others are being tested?
My guess is team members left the bubble.
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Preston needs to be way more aggressive for Ohio if they're gonna pull this off. He's constantly being doubled but he's taken like 4 shots.
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Love his back story.
Being down 7 to Virginia is like being down 15 to most people.
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Love his back story.
Being down 7 to Virginia is like being down 15 to most people.
It's truly amazing. it's time for him to take over for them to have any chance.
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I find it hard to believe that Joey was ranked better than Sam in HS. Sam is better on both ends of the court, and plays much smarter.
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My guess is team members left the bubble.
They think it is due to some issues with the hotel where teams and refs were staying during the A10 tournament. Apparently one ref is quite ill.
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They think it is due to some issues with the hotel where teams and refs were staying during the A10 tournament. Apparently one ref is quite ill.
Oh.....I guess then it could conceivably be contained and just VCU.
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They think it is due to some issues with the hotel where teams and refs were staying during the A10 tournament. Apparently one ref is quite ill.
Hope he is OK. Kind of puts the game into perspective…
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It also shows that the conference tournaments were really not necessary this year.
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Defense wins NCAA games......
The level of defense some of these teams are playing vs. what we have seen over the past 7 years at Marquette is.....well......startling.....
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Anybody know who is doing the color commentary for the Mizzou-Oklahoma game?
The guy seems to know what he’s talking about, but he has the voice of a little kid. Definitely not a broadcasting voice.
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Anybody know who is doing the color commentary for the Mizzou-Oklahoma game?
The guy seems to know what he’s talking about, but he has the voice of a little kid. Definitely not a broadcasting voice.
Avery Johnson.
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Avery Johnson.
Well that explains why he knows what he’s talking about.
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Anybody know who is doing the color commentary for the Mizzou-Oklahoma game?
The guy seems to know what he’s talking about, but he has the voice of a little kid. Definitely not a broadcasting voice.
Avery Johnson. I like him.
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Weird statement for the announcers to make about a team that's battled for 18 offensive rebounds in 20 minutes.
Totally agree. It's lazy announcing. "I don't have anything worthwhile to say, I can't point to specifics, so I'll go with the 'they want it more,' or 'the effort's not there' narrative." They pulled the same crap on Marquette's players in the BET.
On another note ... I had UConn as my Final Four upset pick, so my bracket is burnt toast unless they rally like hell now!
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It also shows that the conference tournaments were really not necessary this year.
100%.
Goodman tweeted this:
A source close to the Saint Bonaventure program regarding the A-10 tourney. Bonnies played VCU Sunday in title game.
“There was high school state tournament going on at Dayton - Saturday before our game. Kids, fans and parents were there — not following rules.”
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Avery Johnson. I like him.
No question he knows his stuff. It just is not your typical announcing voice. But I will definitely take him over a Dicky V cheerleader kind of guy.
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100%.
Goodman tweeted this:
A source close to the Saint Bonaventure program regarding the A-10 tourney. Bonnies played VCU Sunday in title game.
“There was high school state tournament going on at Dayton - Saturday before our game. Kids, fans and parents were there — not following rules.”
The A10 should have never allowed that. Should have rented the entire place.
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100%.
Goodman tweeted this:
A source close to the Saint Bonaventure program regarding the A-10 tourney. Bonnies played VCU Sunday in title game.
“There was high school state tournament going on at Dayton - Saturday before our game. Kids, fans and parents were there — not following rules.”
Yikes! That was an accident waiting to happen.
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100%.
Goodman tweeted this:
A source close to the Saint Bonaventure program regarding the A-10 tourney. Bonnies played VCU Sunday in title game.
“There was high school state tournament going on at Dayton - Saturday before our game. Kids, fans and parents were there — not following rules.”
Unbelievable.
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Unbelievable.
Unfortunately, very believable.
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From what I've heard from the analysts this tournament I agree about Avery. Defensively among the most knowledgeable.
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I know as a fan I'd be fine with the winning ways of Bennett/UVA. But this pace is so boring as a casual fan.
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Go, Bobcats. Does anybody else remember early in the season when they almost beat Illinois?
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I know as a fan I'd be fine with the winning ways of Bennett/UVA. But this pace is so boring as a casual fan.
Yep. The home fans are fine with it, opponents absolutely hate it, and most casual fans are simply bored by it.
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Go Ohio. It will mess up my brackets but who cares Go Bobcats. Might also help Creighton right but who knows
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From what I've heard from the analysts this tournament I agree about Avery. Defensively among the most knowledgeable.
Maybe he wants to coach college ball again.
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Go, Bobcats. Does anybody else remember early in the season when they almost beat Illinois?
Wow. I turned to the Mizzou-Oklahoma game when UVA was up seven or eight points. It isn’t easy to come back from a deficit like that against them.
Go Ohio!
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Sam getting abused.
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Can’t miss the dunk at that point in the game. Big turnaround, as UVA got a 3 in transition. Lead down to 2 instead of 7.
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I know as a fan I'd be fine with the winning ways of Bennett/UVA. But this pace is so boring as a casual fan.
Yuck. I’d have to find a new favorite team. I’d rather watch paint dry than this style 30+ times a year.
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5 point swing. Can't miss a dunk with 3:05 to go trying to pull off an upset and then give up a transition 3. Arrrggggh
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Sam getting abused.
Yes. But that was a very unfortunate swing. Preston sets up his guy for a dunk, he misses it, and UVA hits the triple on the other end. If you've noticed Bennett has moved Sam off of Vander Plaus.
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Go, Bobcats. Does anybody else remember early in the season when they almost beat Illinois?
Preston was absolutely brilliant in that game. An all-time great performance.
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Sam getting abused.
Missing shots left and right and getting abused by his childhood buddy.
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Great play out of the time out for Ohio.
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100%.
Goodman tweeted this:
A source close to the Saint Bonaventure program regarding the A-10 tourney. Bonnies played VCU Sunday in title game.
“There was high school state tournament going on at Dayton - Saturday before our game. Kids, fans and parents were there — not following rules.”
This is why we can’t have Dayton in the conference.
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Bobcats need to be Bobcats now. Vastly underrated animal.
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100%.
Goodman tweeted this:
A source close to the Saint Bonaventure program regarding the A-10 tourney. Bonnies played VCU Sunday in title game.
“There was high school state tournament going on at Dayton - Saturday before our game. Kids, fans and parents were there — not following rules.”
Dear Lord. I was in Cincinnati the weekend before and was getting dirty looks for wearing a mask. People still haven't learned.
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Ughhh. Gotta close Ohio.
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Virginia down 2 7 seconds left
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BBall question. So, Ohio is up 2 with 7 seconds to go and they need to inbound, they need the ball to not be stolen.
Why can't a player stand on the baseline (in bounds) and the inbounder just hand it to him? The other team *MUST* foul him, so it's not like he's risking a trap turnover.
Is there something illegal about just handing a ball to a player 1 foot away?
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Tony Bennett with the ice is that right
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Put it in
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Another .. my son noted .. Ohio gets the ball in and dribbles then passes across half court while being fouled. Had he instead of passing the ball (while being fouled) he chucked up a half courter .. would he get 3 free throws?
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BBall question. So, Ohio is up 2 with 7 seconds to go and they need to inbound, they need the ball to not be stolen.
Why can't a player stand on the baseline (in bounds) and the inbounder just hand it to him? The other team *MUST* foul him, so it's not like he's risking a trap turnover.
Is there something illegal about just handing a ball to a player 1 foot away?
If they are both touching it at the same time, I think it would be a turnover.
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BBall question. So, Ohio is up 2 with 7 seconds to go and they need to inbound, they need the ball to not be stolen.
Why can't a player stand on the baseline (in bounds) and the inbounder just hand it to him? The other team *MUST* foul him, so it's not like he's risking a trap turnover.
Is there something illegal about just handing a ball to a player 1 foot away?
Wouldn’t it be out of bounds then because the inbounder is standing out of bounds?
Not sure
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61-58 one more free throw 5 left
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Another .. my son noted .. Ohio gets the ball in and dribbles then passes across half court while being fouled. Had he instead of passing the ball (while being fouled) he chucked up a half courter .. would he get 3 free throws?
Yep
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What are the refs doing here!! Ridiculous
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Yes Bobcats!
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NCAA wins this year.
Hausers: 0
Wojo: 0
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KABOOM!!! BOBCATS!!
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THE Ohio University!!!
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Sam’s D lost them the game.
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If not for a fortunate buzzer beater in the Sweet 16 two years ago, the narrative around Tony Bennett would be vastly different.
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Another ACC team, GONE!
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Sam’s D lost them the game.
And his poor shooting down the stretch.
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Sam honestly had a pretty rough game. His defense was exposed and he didn't make a shot late. 4-16 for the game.
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Sam’s D lost them the game.
And his absolute bricks on his final 4 shot attempts.
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Wouldn’t it be out of bounds then because the inbounder is standing out of bounds?
Not sure
Yes of course it’s a turnover.
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2 BE teams have a very clear path to S16
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Sam’s D lost them the game.
Yep. That stretch where the guy he was guarding scored 10 straight was absolutely brutal.
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If they are both touching it at the same time, I think it would be a turnover.
Yes, but assume the handoff has some air. Best a defender could do is poke it OOB.
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h
Yep. That stretch where the guy he was guarding scored 10 straight was absolutely brutal.
Will this be enough to kill the Sam 2 NBA narrative?
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Yes, but assume the handoff has some air. Best a defender could do is poke it OOB.
As long as there is air between them, you are correct.
I’m betting teams don’t do it more often because of the risk that they might touch the ball at the same time. And even if they don’t, the ref might think they did.
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Come on UConn. A couple of turnovers and make this interesting.
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Darn UConn.
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2 BE teams have a very clear path to S16
I wouldn't be surprised If Ohio is favored over Creighton.
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Darn UConn.
Yeah I am ok with them going down.
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Pretty damn impressive FT shooting by the Ohio kids.
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i hear it every year all the time
Mine is the primal scream after making any play not matter how inconsequential.
“AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
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As long as there is air between them, you are correct.
I’m betting teams don’t do it more often because of the risk that they might touch the ball at the same time. And even if they don’t, the ref might think they did.
This seems easy to remedy. Tell the inbounder to make certain he's two feet away.
Heck .. put all 4 of your players, toes in-bound shoulder to shoulder and pass it to a guy in the middle, yes, with air on the ball. No defender can even get his hand in there. Really, with that, 4 guys could hold that formation and any foul could be considered an intentional foul, not going for the ball.
Seems too easy.
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Will this be enough to kill the Sam 2 NBA narrative?
Nah. Sam is a 6-8, 6-9 guy who plays hard, plays smart and most importantly can hit 3s ... assuming he is able to prove during tryouts that he has NBA range, I still think he plays in the league. There are a lot of great defenders in the NBA, but there also are plenty of guys who can't play a lick of D.
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Mizzou fouls the 87% percent shooter 3 times in a row not smart. Mizzou backing off top 3 point shooters not smart either. Ugh.
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I wouldn't be surprised If Ohio is favored over Creighton.
Don’t be silly. OU is a decent team with one great player. They finished mid pack in the MAC. They would have gotten smoked by any of the other 4s
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Nah. Sam is a 6-8, 6-9 guy who plays hard, plays smart and most importantly can hit 3s ... assuming he is able to prove during tryouts that he has NBA range, I still think he plays in the league. There are a lot of great defenders in the NBA, but there also are plenty of guys who can't play a lick of D.
I can't see it unless he's a specialist. Is Ryan Anderson still in the league?
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Don’t be silly. OU is a decent team with one great player. They finished mid pack in the MAC. They would have gotten smoked by any of the other 4s
Yeah, Virginia wasn't great to begin with, and then they were very unlucky with the COVID-19.
Creighton and Nova both going to the Sweet 16.
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Nah. Sam is a 6-8, 6-9 guy who plays hard, plays smart and most importantly can hit 3s ... assuming he is able to prove during tryouts that he has NBA range, I still think he plays in the league. There are a lot of great defenders in the NBA, but there also are plenty of guys who can't play a lick of D.
Sam has a way of not being able to hit 3s when it counts, Creighton game being the exception. He’s slow and not athletic. Not sure NBA is in his future.
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Don’t be silly. OU is a decent team with one great player. They finished mid pack in the MAC. They would have gotten smoked by any of the other 4s
One great player can change everything. They nearly beat Illinois. But you may be right that CU will be favored. I will say it will be 3pts or less.
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70-68 one throw left
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Nah. Sam is a 6-8, 6-9 guy who plays hard, plays smart and most importantly can hit 3s ... assuming he is able to prove during tryouts that he has NBA range, I still think he plays in the league. There are a lot of great defenders in the NBA, but there also are plenty of guys who can't play a lick of D.
Sam's got zero NBA future. Maybe he gets a Jerel McNeal cup of coffee, but if he's getting abused by MAC players, no NBA coach is going to put him on the floor.
He's a good shooter, but far from elite. The NBA is loaded with better shooters who aren't traffic cones on the other end of the court.
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Do not mind Counzo losing
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Creighton and Nova both going to the Sweet 16.
Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse.
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Further wrecks my bracket but again happy Counzo is out
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Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse.
Just a prediction. Like anybody else, I've made bad ones and good ones.
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Sam's got zero NBA future. Maybe he gets a Jerel McNeal cup of coffee, but if he's getting abused by MAC players, no NBA coach is going to put him on the floor.
He's a good shooter, but far from elite. The NBA is loaded with better shooters who aren't traffic cones on the other end of the court.
We'll agree to disagree for now, and we'll get to see next fall.
I mean, Markus fits almost the exact description you just offered, and he's been in the NBA all season with an outstanding team. He doesn't hardly play, but he's on the team, getting paid real NBA money. Sam is a similar player, but 8-10 inches taller.
He does have to prove he has NBA range, though.
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Sam goes 4-16 from the floor and 1-8 from three. Woof.
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Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse.
Yes. Ohio will have the best player on the floor. I think Preston is probably among the top 5 players in the country. That doesn't mean he's a pro or will even be a 1st rounder but there aren't many college guys I would choose ahead of him.
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Just a prediction. Like anybody else, I've made bad ones and good ones.
I hope you are right on this prediction.
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We'll agree to disagree for now, and we'll get to see next fall.
I mean, Markus fits almost the exact description you just offered, and he's been in the NBA all season with an outstanding team. He doesn't hardly play, but he's on the team, getting paid real NBA money. Sam is a similar player, but 8-10 inches taller.
He does have to prove he has NBA range, though.
Sam's not a similar player. Worse shooter. Slower feet. Less overall athleticism. Struggles to create his own shot.
And the height doesn't really help. It's not like he's a 6'8" guy who's going to match up with guards. He's either got to match up with wings who will be as tall but far more athletic or fours who will bully him around (and are more athletic).
But you're right, time will tell.
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Sam goes 4-16 from the floor and 1-8 from three. Woof.
Yep. Some good players came up very small in the first round, including Sam, Bouknight, Blair, Duane Washington, and so on. It happens, just as some kids we've never heard of become heroes.
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Sam's got zero NBA future. Maybe he gets a Jerel McNeal cup of coffee, but if he's getting abused by MAC players, no NBA coach is going to put him on the floor.
He's a good shooter, but far from elite. The NBA is loaded with better shooters who aren't traffic cones on the other end of the court.
FWIW, Sam is 1/4 of a percent from being in the top 20 of all time for 3P percentage. He’s is absolutely an elite shooter. I’d argue he’s a far more complete player than Novak (who shot less than 2% better in his college career from 3).
If Max Strus can make an NBA roster, Sam can.
Will be interesting to see how he measures out. If he ends up close to 6’9, I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see him picked in the last 10-15 picks. I read a draft preview saying James Jones, the GM for the Suns, likes his type of player and he’d makes sense.
Otherwise, Sam and his game is literally crafted for the Euroleague. He’d go right to a Panathikos or Bayern or Olimpia Milano and play big minutes from the jump
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3 years ago if Creighton would’ve beat K State they would’ve had to beat a 16 seed to make their first S16 thanks to UVA blowing it. UVA opening that window again for Creighton in what I’m calling a must win for Mac to start rebuilding momentum after his $hitstorm.
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Sam's not a similar player. Worse shooter. Slower feet. Less overall athleticism. Struggles to create his own shot.
And the height doesn't really help. It's not like he's a 6'8" guy who's going to match up with guards. He's either got to match up with wings who will be as tall but far more athletic or fours who will bully him around (and are more athletic).
But you're right, time will tell.
First, what Wags said.
Second, during his college career, Markus shot .444 overall, .427 from 3 and .882 FT; Sam shot .486, .443, .877. So, statistically at least, Markus wasn't a better college shooter. We don't know yet whether Sam will be a similarly superior NBA shooter, but Markus is at .222, .192 so far.
And I haven't seen Markus play much in the NBA, but I'm guessing he isn't very good at creating his own shot against the 6-7 athletic freaks who are out there on the court with him.
Of course Sam's height will help him. Wherever he plays - NBA, G-League, Europe, wherevs - he will be stationed outside the arc, waiting for kick-out passes. Defenders will close on him. Being 6-8 or 6-9 with long arms definitely will help him get his shot off.
I'm a big Markus fan, so I'm not gonna cut him down to push the case of Sam, who quit on my alma mater. And this already feels like one of those silly Scoop arguments that there actually will be an answer to eventually if we just wait and see.
Oh, and again, what Wags said.
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One great player can change everything. They nearly beat Illinois. But you may be right that CU will be favored. I will say it will be 3pts or less.
Creighton will certainly be favored, but it will probably be a very close game that could go either way.
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FWIW, Sam is 1/4 of a percent from being in the top 20 of all time for 3P percentage. He’s is absolutely an elite shooter. I’d argue he’s a far more complete player than Novak (who shot less than 2% better in his college career from 3).
If Max Strus can make an NBA roster, Sam can.
Will be interesting to see how he measures out. If he ends up close to 6’9, I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see him picked in the last 10-15 picks. I read a draft preview saying James Jones, the GM for the Suns, likes his type of player and he’d makes sense.
Otherwise, Sam and his game is literally crafted for the Euroleague. He’d go right to a Panathikos or Bayern or Olimpia Milano and play big minutes from the jump
No question he is a great shooter, but having seen Sam and Joey side-by-side, I would be surprised if Sam is even 6’8”.
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Yes. Ohio will have the best player on the floor. I think Preston is probably among the top 5 players in the country.
Umm wut? He’s very good, but he wasn’t even the best PG in the MAC. And Jalen Suggs, Davion Mitchell, and Ayo Dosunmu are 3 better players at the PG position alone.
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If UCLA beats BYU, does that help our NET?
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If UCLA beats BYU, does that help our NET?
Haha. Yep.
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Umm wut? He’s very good, but he wasn’t even the best PG in the MAC. And Jalen Suggs, Davion Mitchell, and Ayo Dosunmu are 3 better players at the PG position alone.
He makes other guys better with his passing. He also was easily the best player on the floor vs Illinois. I think you're discounting his impact. The other guys you mention play with much better players.
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Are you watching this? Juzang is going bananas for UCLA.
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Are you watching this? Juzang is going bananas for UCLA.
They are definitely playing better than they did the other night.
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Would be cool if UCLA missed any shots. Not feeling confident in my BYU pick. UCLA shooting lights out and had some lucky rolls but BYU looks a bit overmatched.
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Watching essentially every team play, highlights my biggest complaint about the Wojo era.
Floor spacing. It seemed like we had no idea of the concept...ever. We'd have 2-3 players in the same space sometimes.
Every team in the tournament, has good floor spacing, and when people get out of position, they always flow to the open space to restore proper spacing. That's just good basketball IQ.
Never understood why the MU players seemed to always have such a poor grasp of the concept. I guess, coaching?
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Man, it looks like someone dumped a ton of pre-workout in Abilene Christian's Gatorade. Those guys are seriously amped.
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That was a pretty sick crossover by #10 for Abilene Christian. Too bad the other guy fumbled his pass.
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Man, it looks like someone dumped a ton of pre-workout in Abilene Christian's Gatorade. Those guys are seriously amped.
I think I just saw that they force 20.3 turnovers per game!?! I'm referring to them as Adderall Christian going forward
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Anyone who thinks CU has an easy path vs OU is fooling themselves. I can easily see OU advancing.
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12 first-half turnovers for Texas against mighty Abilene Christian.
Shaka is Marquette-ready!
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Anyone who thinks CU has an easy path vs OU is fooling themselves. I can easily see OU advancing.
Not "easy". But easier than Virginia. And a step down from UCSB as well.
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Not in love with the Sunday TV schedule. From noon to 6pm ET, the only games are on CBS, one at a time. Then they flood the cable networks with 5 games over the next several hours.
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I think I just saw that they force 20.3 turnovers per game!?! I'm referring to them as Adderall Christian going forward
They play with crazy defensive energy. I'm sure they give up open looks by overplaying, but still it'd be a pain to play against.
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Bill Walton must be enjoying the tournament.
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Not in love with the Sunday TV schedule. From noon to 6pm ET, the only games are on CBS, one at a time. Then they flood the cable networks with 5 games over the next several hours.
That's unfortunate. The best part of the first two rounds has always been flipping between games and seeing all the staggered finishes.
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Not in love with the Sunday TV schedule. From noon to 6pm ET, the only games are on CBS, one at a time. Then they flood the cable networks with 5 games over the next several hours.
That's been the norm for the 2nd round for the past 9 tournaments.
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Bill Walton must be enjoying the tournament.
"The Conference of Champions!"
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Bill Walton must be enjoying the tournament.
Conference of Champions.
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That's unfortunate. The best part of the first two rounds has always been flipping between games and seeing all the staggered finishes.
It's been that way for the past 9 tournaments. Nothing new here.
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It's been that way for the past 9 tournaments. Nothing new here.
I understand. I don't have to love it, though. I wish they did it the way they did the 9 years before that!
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I'm not a fan of ESPN but I have to say I like Dave Pasch as an announcer. I heard him earlier today on radio say something like "Bill Walton's 5 teams from the P-12 in the Final Four is still in tact." Pasch is solid and a good p by p guy.
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I understand. I don't have to love it, though. I wish they did it the way they did the 9 years before that!
I understand your time thing. I don't disagree. Yet, before that was only CBS. Meaning only regional coverage. Which sucked!
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Hauser Bros plus Wojo = No NCAA wins. Sad
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As far as the TV announcers my top 3 in the tournament would be:
Eagle
Harlan
Nantz
Not crazy about most of the other announcers and the analysts go from Raff, to good, to really bad.
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Was at the Marquette BYU NCAA tournament game in 2012 MU won 88-68 Carlino was on BYU. Have been to all the Marquette games tournament sites and games since 2000. BYU does not seem to do well in the Big Dance.
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Was at the Marquette BYU NCAA tournament game in 2012 MU won 88-68 Carlino was on BYU. Have been to all the Marquette games tournament sites since 2000. BYU does not seem to do well in the Big Dance.
BYU was really under seeded that year too and Marquette blitzed them. That was Buzz's best team.
No interior defending though. Really think thats a Final Four team if Otule doesn't get hurt.
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It's too bad ACU can't make a shot. Tremendous tenacity on the defensive end.
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ACU leads by 1 over Texas with 12:55 left to play...
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Weird first two days for my bracket. If Texas loses I'll only have had 20/36 of my first round picks advance. But I have 15 of my S16 picks still alive.
Basically got every single coin flip game wrong.
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You gotta think Texas is still gonna win this thing, but what an epic loss it would be for the 'Horns.
A.C. is fighting Texas tooth and nail, but that is not a skilled team. Is there a single A.C. player who would get a scholly at Texas?
It's keeping me watching!
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Shaka might be available quickly!
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You gotta think Texas is still gonna win this thing, but what an epic loss it would be for the 'Horns.
A.C. is fighting Texas tooth and nail, but that is not a skilled team. Is there a single A.C. player who would get a scholly at Texas?
It's keeping me watching!
Yep. And I have to imagine it would be the biggest, or at least one of the biggest, wins in AC history.
Right now, they are beating Texas to every loose ball.
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Shaka might be available quickly!
(I don't know if I'd want him)
*ducks*
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Shaka might be available quickly!
Fire Shaka!!!
Wait - wrong board....
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Shaka might be available quickly!
At a discount
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All of a sudden they're calling the ticky-tack fouls on ACU. This was a D2 program a few years ago??
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ACU is shooting 32% and 3-15 from distance. Yet they are even?
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All of a sudden they're calling the ticky-tack fouls on ACU. This was a D2 program a few years ago??
That’s pretty freaking amazing.
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Mighty mite!!! Nice.
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This has been incredibly flakey for AC but they only need to avoid coming back to reality for 4 more minutes.
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Danger time for Texas. This is going down to the wire.
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This would be a bigger upset than ORU vs Ohio St. It's unfortunate ACU can't shoot at all.
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Mighty mite!!! Nice.
He is a fearless driver and finishes strong for a little guy.
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AC is throwing crud up on the glass, and several of them are falling.
They are winning most 50/50 balls, they have 10 second-chance points to zero for Texas and they have forced 20 turnovers. Winning the hustle battle by a mile.
They look exhausted. Less than 4 minutes to go. Can they hang on against a team with 10x the talent?
AC was a D2 school just a few years ago. This is so much fun.
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Noioooo. I thought he got that time-out. Damn.
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Wow. I think that wide open corner 3 could have iced it. C'mon ACU. Focus.
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Wow. I think that wide open corner 3 could have iced it. C'mon ACU. Focus.
Well, he wasn't trying to miss it, Muggs!
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This would be a bigger upset than ORU vs Ohio St. It's unfortunate ACU can't shoot at all.
Absolutely. Oral Roberts looked pretty good. AC is just kind of willing itself.
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What??? Was that a travel?
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A lot of turnovers, offense is standing still.
I mean, it looks no different then what we dealt with this past season...
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AC has 10 turnovers to Texas 22. 19 offensive rebounds to Texas 5. When you're low on talent, go get yourself 26 extra possessions.
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Can you imagine the neutral fans cheering for AC if this was a typical tournament crowd?
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I don't care about the seedings ... this would be an epic, epic upset. Again, AC was D2 less than a decade ago.
Texas relying on a lot of 1-on-1 now. Whichever guard gets it ain't giving it up.
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I think ACU needs 4 more pts. That turn sucked.
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Can you imagine the neutral fans cheering for AC if this was a typical tournament crowd?
Ya....no fans helps Texas.
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51-49 ACU 56 seconds left
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Texas went like 3:45 without a point until the free throws with 56 seconds
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Ughhh.
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Texas leads
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Finally, a drive and kick to a teammate instead of just going 1-on-1.
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Good pass in the pocket
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Come on ACU. Draw a foul.
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Dont see AC scoring here but hope I'm wrong. Maybe Texas will foul.
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Here we go
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Foul
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Omg foul!!!
Knock
Them
Down
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59% free throw shooter we will see
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Ugh. This poor kid.
Make these buddy
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Davante?
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1 and 1 I believe.
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Focus. This would be unreal.
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YES
F these fans booing him.
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WOWO!!!!!0
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Texas 52 ACU 53 Final
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OMG!!!
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1st ACU NCAA div 1 tournament win
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Wow.
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Un-freakin-believable!!!
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Major props to the tenacity that team played with on the defensive end. Tremendous heart and desire.
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Happy for the kid. That was awesome. But there's no way that should have been a 2 shot foul. He never even possessed the ball on the rebound.
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Davante?
Automatic
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What a way for the round of 32 to end!
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Awesome effort on the put back to get the foul call
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This is am all-time upset. Even if it's technically a 14 vs 3.
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Those kids played so hard. Well deserved. They simply outworked Texas. 20 offensive rebounds and running out guys 5'7" on a good day.
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Happy for the kid. That was awesome. But there's no way that should have been a 2 shot foul. He never even possessed the ball on the rebound.
Pretty standard to treat a tip attempt as a shot though. Moronic foul. Don’t slap downwards on a loose ball in the air
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Those kids played so hard. Well deserved. They simply outworked Texas. 20 offensive rebounds and running out guys 5'7" on a good day.
*23 turnovers. Crazy.
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Happy for the kid. That was awesome. But there's no way that should have been a 2 shot foul. He never even possessed the ball on the rebound.
I thought the same thing...could they look at that on replay?
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59% free throw shooter we will see
Clutch, by that young man. Unbelievable.
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16-seeds the only seed without a win in the first round
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Call me crazy but I think ACU matches up pretty well with UCLA. Awesome game, it's madness!
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I'm fairly certain the UCLA players were jumping up and down after that result.
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nm
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I thought the same thing...could they look at that on replay?
I went back. He was going up for the shot.
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I went back. He was going up for the shot.
I thought it was a foul but was surprised they called it.
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I thought it was a foul but was surprised they called it.
It had to be called.
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Nice win by ACU, but they were gifted the free throws at the end. That was one of the softest foul calls at the end of a game I've seen. Still not sure where the foul occurred. Especially since ACU was very aggressive on D all game and the refs didn't call much on them.
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whose bracket is even worth looking at anymore? i havent checked mine since 5pm friday
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Some impressive FT shooting by the AC kid and by the Ohio kids.
A few of them, including the AC kid, had terrible FT percentages.
Ice water.
Oh, and kudos to the ref who called that foul on Coleman. He absolutely fouled Pleasant, and it had to be called ... but there are a lot of refs who would have swallowed their whistle.
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He came down across his arm pretty hard. Had to call it
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Sorry, I'm glad ACU won, but that call with 1.2 left was pretty weak. The shot was not affected as he was just trying to push it back to the rim. And it wasn't how the game was called the rest of the game. the refs let a lot go and then to call that was weak.
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I just watched the replay. It was a clear foul and a two shot foul. A lot of times they won't call that at the end of the game but it was absolutely a foul.
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I just watched the replay. It was a clear foul and a two shot foul. A lot of times they won't call that at the end of the game but it was absolutely a foul.
Not compared to how they called it the previous 39.58 of the game.
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Pretty standard to treat a tip attempt as a shot though. Moronic foul. Don’t slap downwards on a loose ball in the air
Definitely a foul and Texas deserved to lose. Easy call. Just didn't think it was a shooting foul.
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I just watched the replay. It was a clear foul and a two shot foul. A lot of times they won't call that at the end of the game but it was absolutely a foul.
Not compared to how they called it the previous 39.58 of the game.
Half thinking it was a makeup call since the ref on the baseline didn't call a foul on the drive (which was clearly a foul too).
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Absolutely insane stat:
ACU eFG%: 32%
Texas eFG%: 54%
ACU wins. That's heart and tenacity.
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Coach Cooley on TV tonight on the CBS Sports Network Desk
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Anonymous Eagle and paint touches are throwing out some wild stats on their twitter accounts from tonights game.
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Nice win by ACU, but they were gifted the free throws at the end. That was one of the softest foul calls at the end of a game I've seen. Still not sure where the foul occurred. Especially since ACU was very aggressive on D all game and the refs didn't call much on them.
The Texas player’s arm came down onto the ACU player’s left arm. I saw it clearly on the first replay.
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Is anyone giving Loyola-Chi a chance tomorrow over Illinois?
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Is anyone giving Loyola-Chi a chance tomorrow over Illinois?
I think Williamson can give Ayo some problems just because he’s super long, but I have no faith in Krutwig guarding Cockburn.
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Is anyone giving Loyola-Chi a chance tomorrow over Illinois?
Surprised to see they're only 7 point dogs right now. So yeah, people are giving them more of a shot than I was thinking!
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I think Illinois has too much. Devastating one two punch and way more speed/quicks. Krutwig can't bring Cockburn out of the paint.
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Is anyone giving Loyola-Chi a chance tomorrow over Illinois?
I picked Illinois in my bracket to the F4. That said, I have watched them all year and as much as they look like the national champs they are equally as uneven. If there is a disciplined team to beat them, its LUC.
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I don't think Illinois is that good and have them going out in the S16. So yes, I think there's a chance.
I've also been wrong all year about everything.
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Moser absolutely has his team ready to play, hey?
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Good start for the Ramblers but Krutwig shouldn't try to go all the way to the rim too often. Loyola's defense is very impressive.
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Sister Jean is no joke. She knows hoops.
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Good start for the Ramblers but Krutwig shouldn't try to go all the way to the rim too often. Loyola's defense is very impressive.
Agree. Super impressed with Loyola's defensive rotations. Very disciplined.
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Agree. Super impressed with Loyola's defensive rotations. Very disciplined.
It's not my preferred style of basketball but it's impressive. I'm changing my tune about Moser as a coaching candidate.
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Porter wins against illinois and he might move out of Marquette’s ability to get him
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Loyola is definitely ready to play. No matter what happens I'm Impressed with Moser.
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Porter wins against illinois and he might move out of Marquette’s ability to get him
Meaning he would go to Indiana?
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Loyola 17 Illinois 9
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Porter wins against illinois and he might move out of Marquette’s ability to get him
Nah, not true. He loves Loyola, loves the jesuit institution, his kids go to a jesuit high school. Would there be other suitors? Sure, but I wouldn't say out of Marquette's reach by any stretch.
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Loyla had a real chance to push this out. Should be a 12-14 pt lead.
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Loyla had a real chance to push this out. Should be a 12-14 pt lead.
Agree 21-14 Loyola Score
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Loyla had a real chance to push this out. Should be a 12-14 pt lead.
Loyola 10 point lead now
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Loyola 10 point lead now
Moser read my post.
Loyola needs to close the half strong. Get it to 14 or higher.
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Krutwig is really clever, good player. Hope he doesn’t wear down in 2nd half. Ramblers look good!
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Moser absolutely has his team ready to play, hey?
Agree, Doc.
The contrast between the way Moser's team is setting the tone against one of the best 3 teams in the nation and the way Smart's team was completely discombobulated and outplayed by a small, talent-shy team is striking.
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Loyla had a real chance to push this out. Should be a 12-14 pt lead.
There you go
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Damn.... wide open triple would have gotten it to 15. Then a bail out. Very unfortunate.
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Illinois looks really bad and slow and Loyola’s offensive plays, cuts, picks look on point fast and sharp, passes on target and creating much space with an idea what they are doing and where are going on offense plus getting into Illinois more on defense. I Like Moser. 30-17 But that said we got to feel an Illinois run is coming it is a game of runs.
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Loose whistle first half only 9 fouls
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It’s only one half and the only 20 minutes of Loyola basketball I’ve seen all year, but that was pretty impressive.
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Loose whistle first half only 9 fouls
To my eyes, that was a big advantage to Loyola. We'll see if it continues in the 2nd.
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Agree, Doc.
The contrast between the way Moser's team is setting the tone against one of the best 3 teams in the nation and the way Smart's team was completely discombobulated and outplayed by a small, talent-shy team is striking.
It’s much easier to slow down a game than to speed it up. Look at Bucky under Bennett, or Loyola right now. Texas played great D themselves, but made too many mistakes on O.
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Krutwig looks like he runs an adult bookstore in Joliet on the side, but he can play
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Krutwig looks like he runs an adult bookstore in Joliet on the side, but he can play
I mean, he is from Tinley Park
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I think Loyola missed a huge opportunity. Big swing at the end of the half.
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Krutwig btw was like 200 spots below Theo in the hs rankings.
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I mean, he is from Tinley Park
Boone and Space, please dial 911 for me as I am dying of laughter here
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Is anyone giving Loyola-Chi a chance tomorrow over Illinois?
Didn't see this, but I picked Loyola. This is a terrible matchup for Illinois. I didn't give Illinois much chance of a deep run because they either got a team that is their kryptonite in Loyola or a tough team to play on a short turn-around in the Georgia Tech zone.
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These halftimes are far more bearable when there are multiple games going...
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Krutwig is so crafty in the way he deals with Cockburn.
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Kockburn is a huge prob for LU. Offensively Krutwig needs stop taking him all the way to the rim. Face up and take the 10 foot J or floater with confidence. Loyola will also need to hit some threes this half to have a realistic chance.
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They're calling the game differently in the 2nd half. 7 fouls in 8 mins on Loyola.
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Yes, and Loyola can't defend IL without fouling.
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Yes, and Loyola can't defend IL without fouling.
Smart by Illinois to drive relentlessly. The free throw line is the easiest path back into this game.
They are struggling with Loyola's offense, though.
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Agreed, so for IL has show no ability to defend Loyola much at all.
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Why Underwood continues to play Curbelo in this game is baffling to me.
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Loyola's athletic website has completely crashed lol
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Ughh. That corner triple would have been huge. Let's go Ramblers!! Again Krutwig needs to face up vs Kofi, not post and go one on one.
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They're calling the game differently in the 2nd half. 7 fouls in 8 mins on Loyola.
Definitely. Lots of mugging in first half that the refs are now calling.
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Dagger by Loyola!!
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Gonna be tough for Illinois to come back. The 05 Illini ain't walking through that door.
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59-50 Go Loyola!
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Dagger by Loyola!!
Not yet.
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Not yet.
Cockburn slowly removing the dagger by making FTs and gets a basket. Probably not enough time left.
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Man....that could have been the dagger if Loyola scored up 11.
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Cockburn slowly removing the dagger by making FTs and gets a basket. Probably not enough time left.
When did he turn into Ray Allen? Huge FT's.
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Horrible call there on that charge.
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Wtf is that charge call lol
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Horrible call there on that charge.
Poor call, yes. As Raf said: "That's a play-on."
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God freaking awful charge call. Unreal
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Bam!! Krutwig forces the the turn on Ayo!!
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Do you think Woj watches the tourney? If so, does he feel shame? Good thing he didn't recruit Krutwig.
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Oh.... yes. Getting close to a Loyola win.
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Down goes the champion in my bracket! Thud!
The way Loyola handled Illinois now has me at least a little concerned that Madison can hang with Baylor.
So far, so good!
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Down goes the champion in my bracket! Thud!
The way Loyola handled Illinois now has me at least a little concerned that Madison can hang with Baylor.
Color me skeptical on Davidson going 5-7 from 3 and the team shooting 50% from 3 again against one of the best defensive teams in the country.
Illinois is very good but they were up and down consistency wise all year and randomly disappeared against lesser teams. Baylor has been a consistent unrelenting monster nearly all year
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Still baffling to me how much Curbelo played despite being awful the entire game.
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Down goes the champion in my bracket! Thud!
The way Loyola handled Illinois now has me at least a little concerned that Madison can hang with Baylor.
I'm actually extremely concerned but I suppose I have general anxiety issues.
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In all honesty, I think Loyola has a legit chance at another final 4. I like the way their bracket looks for their style of play.
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Wisconsin will win this game.
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In all honesty, I think Loyola has a legit chance at another final 4. I like the way their bracket looks for their style of play.
OK St will be a challenge. I don’t think they abandon Krutweig like Illinois did.
And if you want to look way ahead, assuming chalk, I don’t think Houston is a good matchup at all. They are happy and skilled at a slower pace of play. I think they would be thrilled to see a team like Loyola
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OK St will be a challenge. I don’t think they abandon Krutweig like Illinois did.
And if you want to look way ahead, assuming chalk, I don’t think Houston is a good matchup at all. They are happy and skilled at a slower pace of play. I think they would be thrilled to see a team like Loyola
I don't disagree at all. But I think OK St. and Houston are both reasonably beatable. Obviously getting to the final 4 is always challenging.
I think Moser draws up a good game plan to take Cunningham out of his game. Cade's TO prone, and I think they take advantage of that.
Houston is the big hurdle.
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Houston is gonna be tough for Loyola. OK state is very much beatable. Hell, Marquette had a chance this year.
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Houston is gonna be tough for Loyola. OK state is very much beatable. Hell, Marquette had a chance this year.
Oklahoma State is weird. They seem to get themselves in a holes with slow starts. Then they almost always crawl out of them just in time.
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Houston is gonna be tough for Loyola. OK state is very much beatable. Hell, Marquette had a chance this year.
Anyone can beat anyone.
The big names who play big names are highly over rated by the number crunchers.
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Anyone can beat anyone.
The big names who play big names are highly over rated by the number crunchers.
I think this is accurate. I truly thought we'd see quite a bit of chalk but was way off
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Davison has airmailed at least two 3's so far, which is enjoyable.
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Yup, this is the Brad Davison I remember. This is gonna be a blow out.
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Yup, this is the Brad Davison I remember. This is gonna be a blow out.
I hope you're right. I picked Baylor but I'm ready to be hurt again.
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Baylor needs to keep attacking. They seen to be able to get quality looks consistently.
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I think this is accurate. I truly thought we'd see quite a bit of chalk but was way off
This year more than most. Without extra team time before the season, none of the P6 were particularly impressive out of conference.
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Baylor started out patient offensively. They are starting to jack up the the first open look which was my main concern.
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Baylor’s Bear was a gift to the school from a Wisconsin National Guard unit training in Waco for WWI. It was the unit’s mascot and they had to find a home before the unit shipped out.
That is all the connection I need to be a Baylor Bears fan today.
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Davison pushes off constantly with his off arm.
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Wisconsin will win this game.
Yeah. No.
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That was awesome
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Houston is gonna be tough for Loyola. OK state is very much beatable. Hell, Marquette had a chance this year.
Everyone counting out Rutgers!
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With about 3 minutes to go and with Illinois down 11, Raftery noted that the Illini had bad body language and "forlorn looks on their faces."
Any of us would take Underwood as a coach. Any of us. But sometimes, teams get beaten down by adversity. It happens, even to fine teams run by outstanding coaches.
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Everyone counting out Rutgers!
I have them in my Sweet 16, for better or worse. (Probably worse.) My bracket is sufferin'!
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I can't decide which repetitive ad I hate most, but there are an unusual number of them to choose from this year.
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Yeah. No.
Just preparing myself for the worst! ;D
Baylor, when engaged defensively, is probably the best team in the country.
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I can't decide which repetitive ad I hate most, but there are an unusual number of them to choose from this year.
True dat.
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I can't decide which repetitive ad I hate most, but there are an unusual number of them to choose from this year.
Waynes World
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That creepy singing hood ornament is a #1 seed.
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I can't decide which repetitive ad I hate most, but there are an unusual number of them to choose from this year.
The Vanilla Orange coke doesn't taste like a basketball but has something orange and round in it. It isn't as annoying as some of the others but it has to be the worst.
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Scoop, there it is. Advertising slots were cheap. We just had to hand over a few Arbys coupons.
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They should just play the Dikembe ad on a loop.
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I can't decide which repetitive ad I hate most, but there are an unusual number of them to choose from this year.
The Pinocchio ad and the Wolfgirl/Satyr(?) ad.
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Ugh...picking a side between Baylor and Wisconsin is like choosing if you'd rather have gonorrhea or herpes. I guess I'll hold my nose and pull for Baylor for my bracket's sake.
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Ugh...picking a side between Baylor and Wisconsin is like choosing if you'd rather have gonorrhea or herpes. I guess I'll hold my nose and pull for Baylor for my bracket's sake.
I think we all know when it comes to the tournament, people "root" for teams that they hate just to help their bracket. No disclaimer required. At least, hopefully nobody thinks I'm a giant Baylor fan. hah.
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Boat. Raced.
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Baylor just let them back in the game. WTF? Gotta convert easy interior shots.
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Boat. Raced.
Lots of time and Wisconsin on a run. If some 3s start falling it gets interesting.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen so many guys fall/kneel down while dribbling as I have in this tournament. Floors? odd.
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Wisconsin has been by far the better team this half. It is a game. Danger zone.
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Baylor just let them back in the game. WTF? Gotta convert easy interior shots.
Can't believe how many 1-4 footers Baylor has missed. Just missed 2 FTs too. Effen Madison.
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Trice being much more aggressive this half.
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Wisconsin has been by far the better team this half. It is a game. Danger zone.
Agreed. Baylor very erratic and in foul trouble. Two big shots from Davis. I'm extremely concerned now.
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Can't believe how many 1-4 footers Baylor has missed. Just missed 2 FTs too. Effen Madison.
I
Terrible and inexcusable.
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Son of s duck. Finish a 2 footer!!
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4 fouls on Butler. Smh.
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Wisconsin getting some questionable late whistles.
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Make effen layups!
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Astounding how many chippies Baylor has missed. Have a terrible feeling.
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Davis is very impressive.
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I cannot stand Davison yelling “And1” after every single shot.
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Just an atrocious half offensively from Baylor. Hopefully they hold on.
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I cannot stand Davison yelling “And1” after every single shot.
Yet, you cheer for a team that notorious for doing that exact thing. ;)
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Baylor is vulnerable. But they're not losing this game. Relax muggsy.
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Baylor is vulnerable. But they're not losing this game. Relax muggsy.
Yep. Over now barring a complete collapse.
Davis is going to be great. Glad the rest of their team is gone because he is impressive.
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Yet, you cheer for a team that notorious for doing that exact thing. ;)
Everyone does it. Not sure you understand why it’s annoying a player like Davidson does it so much.
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That clock management from Wisconsin was horrendous
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C- 2nd half performance was enough for Baylor. :)
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I do enjoy that it was the white kid with a mullet who gave Wisconsin smoke in the second half. Sweet irony.
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Baylor is vulnerable. But they're not losing this game. Relax muggsy.
I'm pretty relaxed and am a little high strung. I tend to post thoughts a lot to calm down.
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I'm pretty relaxed and am a little high strung. I tend to post thoughts a lot to calm down.
Hah. High strung relaxed. I'm no doctor, but I'd prescribe an adult beverage.
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Hah. High strung relaxed. I'm no doctor, but I'd prescribe an adult beverage.
I'm a beer guy but almost never have more than 3. Belgian power beers can relax me on occasion.
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Fouling down 11 with 16 seconds left ::)
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Did I see that Baylor was a 6.5-point favorite? Darn it ... another million I could have made! The better team ended up winning by twice that.
The only thing that would have been better Madison-wise would have been a loss in the first round, but this will do as a fitting end for Floppy McNutpuncher, Overrated Nate, whiny Harry Potter and the rest of 'em.
Davis ... he's gonna be a pain in the posterior for the next few years. Unless maybe our new coach steals him away!
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The best conference in the history of college basketball is sure taking a beating in the tournament.
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Did I see that Baylor was a 6.5-point favorite? Darn it ... another million I could have made! The better team ended up winning by twice that.
The only thing that would have been better Madison-wise would have been a loss in the first round, but this will do as a fitting end for Floppy McNutpuncher, Overrated Nate, whiny Harry Potter and the rest of 'em.
Davis ... he's gonna be a pain in the posterior for the next few years. Unless maybe our new coach steals him away!
The studio crew was saying the interior of Wisconsin would cause trouble for Baylor, and specifically mentioned Wahl :o
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The best conference in the history of college basketball is sure taking a beating in the tournament.
Well, it's not fair to expect 'em to compete with the studs from the Summit League, MVC and Conference USA!
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It's definitely possible that there will be no B14 teams left after tomorrow. :)
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Did I see that Baylor was a 6.5-point favorite? Darn it ... another million I could have made! The better team ended up winning by twice that.
The only thing that would have been better Madison-wise would have been a loss in the first round, but this will do as a fitting end for Floppy McNutpuncher, Overrated Nate, whiny Harry Potter and the rest of 'em.
Davis ... he's gonna be a pain in the posterior for the next few years. Unless maybe our new coach steals him away!
It’s possible we haven’t seen the last of those guys.
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My money is on OSU tonight...the orange and black one.
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Huggy cannot be happy with the start of this one.
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It’s possible we haven’t seen the last of those guys.
From the Badger boards, the consensus is that maybe one or two might possibly come back (Floppy being one).
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Syracuse had a chance to bury WVU. Settled for too many dagger 3 attempts. WVU closed with a flourish and Syracuse ended up in foul trouble. Boeheim v Huggy. Aaaahhhh
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Huggy cannot be happy with the start of this one.
on the plus side I just defended him to my wife based off of something you posted a few weeks ago so.........yep
To you post he can't be happy with 15:00 left either
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Lol Do not hold it against me but one of My Daughter’’s Graduated from CUSE haha.
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Lol Do not hold it against me but one of My Daughter’’s Graduated from CUSE haha.
One of my daughters thought about Syracuse for a while. I’m glad she picked Purdue.
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From the Badger boards, the consensus is that maybe one or two might possibly come back (Floppy being one).
Good. It will be fun to beat him again.
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One of My MU’s Friends Son’s graduated from Purdue excellent awesome school. But had to text him after Cuse’s win. He congratulated me earlier. As Marquette say’s be a person for others. That said do not mess with MU Basketball.
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One of my daughters thought about Syracuse for a while. I’m glad she picked Purdue.
One of my best friends in law school played lacrosse there. Said it snowed regularly well into May.
Makes Marquette’s weather sound like Pepperdine.
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Should I be worried about Houston?
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Should I be worried about Houston?
Yes!
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Should I be worried about Houston?
I’ve got them losing in the final...so this is a little concerning.
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One blemish in the world today with the Syracuse win. :(
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One of my best friends in law school played lacrosse there. Said it snowed regularly well into May.
Makes Marquette’s weather sound like Pepperdine.
Lol agree CUSE gets well over 100 inches snow yearly on average
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Well Beard f*cked up that ending. He let 15 seconds go off the clock before fouling. Did they have a timeout they could have used too?
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One blemish the world today with the Syracuse win. :(
Lol I think it was You that looked at me during a close game with NIU when I said get the ball to Damon Key since Kevin O’Neil said in the paper and on television if the game is close we want to get the Ball to Key haha.
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4 points total in the last 3 min of the Ark-TTU game, sheesh.
Happy for the Hogs. Really like Mussleman and his style
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Well Beard f*cked up that ending. He let 15 seconds go off the clock before fouling. Did they have a timeout they could have used too?
So bad. McClung choked too. Also, I’ve seen more missed shots inside of 2 feet in this tourney than I can ever remember
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Well Beard f*cked up that ending. He let 15 seconds go off the clock before fouling. Did they have a timeout they could have used too?
Yes. Bad decision.
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Wow. Rutgers taking it to Houston.
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Wired timing to foul or not with a 4 second difference. I think they were shocked Mac missed his free throws.
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Well Beard f*cked up that ending. He let 15 seconds go off the clock before fouling. Did they have a timeout they could have used too?
Yep. Their last possession was clearly messed up. Shoulda called the TO when it was clear they weren't organized.
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Houston looks horrible. Completely disjointed
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Houston looks horrible. Completely disjointed
Yep. No flow on either end.
And Rutgers is hitting shots.
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Houston looks horrible. Completely disjointed
Yeah. There is time but Rutgers looks like the better team.
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Oral Roberts needs to get it together. Lots of missed chippies.
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Oral Roberts needs to get it together. Lots of missed chippies.
Oral sucking right now?
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Houston looks like a team that out-athletes their conference and doesn’t quite know what to do when they come up against a team where they can’t do that.
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Beilein’s Big Ten Michigan knocked out Houston a few years ago in 2018 on the Milwaukee Kid’s Jordan Poole’s 3 at the Buzzer.
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The Mean Green seem to be shredding Nova's D early.
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Rutgers falling apart late. Houston should be up by a few, but can't hit their FTs.
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Rutgers is kissing this game away by taking the air out of the ball with about 4 minutes left.
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Rutgers is kissing this game away by taking the air out of the ball with about 4 minutes left.
Yep. Totally took them out of their rhythm.
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Rutgers is kissing this game away by taking the air out of the ball with about 4 minutes left.
They did the same thing in round 1 and were lucky to win. Baffling
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Wow. I picked them but I have no idea how Houston won that game.
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Unreal collapse. Some big plays by Houston but they needed help and got it.
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Beilein’s Big Ten Michigan knocked out Houston a few years ago in 2018 on the Milwaukee Kid’s Jordan Poole’s 3 at the Buzzer.
Poole made it to win it at the Buzzer. Harper missed it to tie it at the Buzzer. Harper usually makes that they said.
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I’ve seen Pikiell’s name here and there on this board for the MU job. No thanks.
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So what do we have...three B14 teams left?
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Wow. Rutgers missed a shot down three with about 3 seconds left, and their players just watched Houston grab the rebound and walked off the court. No effort to get the loose ball, no foul, nothing.
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Rutgers falling apart late. Houston should be up by a few, but can't hit their FTs.
I think it is the coach falling apart. Huge, huge difference between what Loyola did and what Rutgers is doing.
When you dribble at mid-court till there are 10 seconds on the clock, you only get one chance. If you run your offense and a play is shut off, there is plenty of time to reset the offense.
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I’ve seen Pikiell’s name here and there on this board for the MU job. No thanks.
Had his guys ready, but he choked when it mattered.
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Loyola really looked well coached to me today. Particularly after time-outs and their execution. I believe they got three back-door chippies after a time-out.
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Wow. I picked them but I have no idea how Houston won that game.
Feel bad for Rutgers. Need some of those bunny's to fall late.
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Game completely turned on Grimes getting his 2nd FT miss and hitting that long 3. Everything went their way after
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So what do we have...three B14 teams left?
Maryland Michigan Iowa I Believe
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Wow. I picked them but I have no idea how Houston won that game.
Yup, happy for Houston. But nobody can claim it was obvious they would win!
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Game completely turned on Grimes getting his 2nd FT miss and hitting that long 3. Everything went their way after
This. Plus the Rutgers missed dunk shortly before that would have put them back up 10, I believe.
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Yup, happy for Houston. But nobody can claim it was obvious they would win!
Never in doubt.
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Never in doubt.
Some percentage of America is dumb ;D
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Here comes Oral Roberts!!!
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meanwhile, Nova doing Nova things. the more time they have to adjust without CG the more dangerous they are
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meanwhile, Nova doing Nova things. the more time they have to adjust without CG the more dangerous they are
Superb response from Nova.
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
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meanwhile, Nova doing Nova things. the more time they have to adjust without CG the more dangerous they are
Just thinking that. Despite being a man down, a 5 seed acting like a 5 vs 13.
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
Aren't you the lucky one.
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
Kinda rough for a while, but really getting good now. A lot of back & forth.
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Oral Roberts outhustling the Gators down the stretch.
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
But what about the basketball
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Ughhh. ORU had a chance to get it to 4. Can they hold on??
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This tournament is outstanding!
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This tournament is outstanding!
Best sporting event by far.!!
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ORU!!!
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Nova looking solid.
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This tournament is outstanding!
No kidding! unless you like chalk...
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Just the second 15 seed to get to the Sweet 16, I think
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Awesome 81-78 Oral Roberts
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Nova looking solid.
Go Big East!!
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Kinda rough for a while, but really getting good now. A lot of back & forth.
Wow, what a climax. Nice to have tournament back.
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
Aren't you the lucky one.
This won the night!
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
Do not rub it in
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What an incredible tourney this is!
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The greatness of this event is about moments like this and the smaller schools. That's why the P-6 separating or other changes to the tournament would destroy everything.
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my god the vile comments floruda fans say about thier coach on their board. woah
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This tournament is outstanding!
Crazy fun!
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Awesome 81-78 Oral Roberts
I just like hearing the announcers talk about the Golden Eagles winning tournament games. It’s been a while.
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Wow. Rutgers missed a shot down three with about 3 seconds left, and their players just watched Houston grab the rebound and walked off the court. No effort to get the loose ball, no foul, nothing.
Houston grab the board with 1.3 left with nobody around him. Game was over.
https://mobile.twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1373808153377132545
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The oral roberts coach should get a phone call from scholl.
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We got Clark, Seth and Wally dancing on tv during the Al McGuire coined Big Dance
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Houston grab the board with 1.3 left with nobody around him. Game was over.
Yeah, but the ball came down at 2.2 and the Rutgers guys didn't even make an effort to get the board. They just stood and watched. And even after the UH guy had it, they could have still fouled down 3. It's a huge longshot, but when it's win or go home, why not? Still just a one-possession game.
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Really enjoying Oral in the second half.
That went over my head
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https://twitter.com/pardonmymeme/status/1373814207557296131?s=21
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ORU’s Dunk City 2.0 run would be way more fun if Oral Roberts wasn’t such a POS and his school a slightly less obnoxious Liberty
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I just like hearing the announcers talk about the Golden Eagles winning tournament games. It’s been a while.
Agree
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Yeah, but the ball came down at 2.2 and the Rutgers guys didn't even make an effort to get the board. They just stood and watched. And even after the UH guy had it, they could have still fouled down 3. It's a huge longshot, but when it's win or go home, why not? Still just a one-possession game.
I had the video linked on my post. I guess we are seeing different things.
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I had the video linked on my post. I guess we are seeing different things.
Apparently so. I see it coming down with over 2 seconds to go and nobody else even trying for the board. And he is already dribbling toward the corner by 1.3.
And regardless of the timing, it was pretty shocking that no Rutgers guys even went after the board. They just watched the UH guy go after it.
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I assume everyone wants Oregon St?
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I believe ORU was a 4 seed in the Summit League. Tight race with the Dakota schools. Now, in the Sweet 16!
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I assume everyone wants Oregon St?
Yes.
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I assume everyone wants Oregon St?
Why? Wouldn’t you want to see Cade advance?
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I have 2 tv's. Bigger screen is watching Villanova.
I am not a modern day Citizen Kane like you and have had to keep flipping back and forth! I will send you my medical bills when I get arthritis.
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I assume everyone wants Oregon St?
No. I'd like to see Cade Cunningham play as many games as possible.
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Why? Wouldn’t you want to see Cade advance?
Because Loyola-Chi is the S16 opponent.
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I am not a modern day Citizen Kane like you and have had to keep flipping back and forth! I will send you my medical bills when I get arthritis.
;)
I like when you called it a castle last year.
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No. I'd like to see Cade Cunningham play as many games as possible.
Is he any good.
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Is he any good.
I don't know if this is serious or not.
Oregon State looks great right now.
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;)
I like when you called it a castle last year.
I'm imagining it's somewhere in between the Biltmore and Hearst Castle.
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OK St is physically incapable of starting hot.
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OK St is physically incapable of starting hot.
They've been weird all year. Slow starts. Tons of comeback. This one may be getting away from them.
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As good as Nova looks tonight I think Baylor is a rough match-up. Although.... they don't have a dominant big.
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They've been weird all year. Slow starts. Tons of comeback. This one may be getting away from them.
If Oregon St keeps shooting 60%+ from 3, they will be tough to catch
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I actually think Oregon State would be a tougher matchup for Loyola than Oklahoma State.
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Is the P-12 undefeated so far?
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Is the P-12 undefeated so far?
Yep.
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Yep.
Amazing. I'm happy for Bill Walton.
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Lol Since We are All enjoying Oral this tournament are We Also All cheering for the Razorback Hogs too since they are pigs haha joking
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OK St turned the tables quickly .
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OK St turned the tables quickly .
Comeback kids. Crazy.
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Amazing. I'm happy for Bill Walton.
Conference of Champions.
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Conference of Champions.
I'm trying to imagine a day when Walton isn't happy. Cloudy and the course is closed?
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I'm trying to imagine a day when Walton isn't happy. Cloudy and the course is closed?
The dispensary is closed
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The dispensary is closed
permanently, maybe. But I'd bet he has his legal limit of self-grown plants too.
(but I laughed)
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Cunningham looks a lot like Tatum to me.
Not quite the scorer but with better passing skills and can play PG.
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Ok St needs to figure out their defense cause on offense, Oregon St has nobody to stay in front of Cunningham and Anderson
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I THINK Oklahoma State missed their chance but after that Houston game I'm not sure of anything.
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Ok St has completely abandoned what got them back into this game, just relentlessly attacking the rim on offense. Chucking wild 3’s isn’t the answer to completing the comeback.
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I THINK Oklahoma State missed their chance but after that Houston game I'm not sure of anything.
It's hard to win shooting 30%. Wow.
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Ok St has completely abandoned what got them back into this game, just relentlessly attacking the rim on offense. Chucking wild 3’s isn’t the answer to completing the comeback.
Yep. They’ve been too quick for Oregon St all half...so naturally they’ve resorted to long 2s
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Yep. They’ve been too quick for Oregon St all half...so naturally they’ve resorted to long 2s
This seems to be a chronic prob for a number of teams.
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Wow - OKST took that from 9 down to 3 quickly.
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This just got interesting. Two mammoth triples from the Cowboys.
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6 points in about 8 seconds.
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Yep. They’ve been too quick for Oregon St all half...so naturally they’ve resorted to long 2s
Clearly they should have been long 3's instead. wow.
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Cade is ELECTRIC
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Oregon St withstood the push, time to buckle down
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Loyola has a much better chance against the Beavers.
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The live betting I’ve done on this game is something. Ok St was +580 about three minutes ago.
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Crazy sequence there!
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Loyola has a much better chance against the Beavers.
You sure about that?
Silva is the equal to the big Loyola stache dude
Thompson rocks
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Thompson has been unreal.
But Ok St is baffling. They hit huge shots when down 5+ but they’ve missed EVERYTHING otherwise. Bunnies, floaters, running layups have all been bricks. Still under 30% for the game
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You sure about that?
Silva is the equal to the big Loyola stache dude
Thompson rocks
Krutwig has the ability to draw Silva out of the post though. Krutwig loves to dribble himself into position and I can see Silva getting into trouble trying to stay in front of him.
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I’d like to see the rule changed where a timeout doesn’t buy a team a fresh 10 seconds to get the ball across half court.
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You sure about that?
Silva is the equal to the big Loyola stache dude
Thompson rocks
I'm not sure . Thompson has been outstanding.
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Krutwig has the ability to draw Silva out of the post though. Krutwig loves to dribble himself into position and I can see Silva getting into trouble trying to stay in front of him.
PAC 12 tournament title > Horizon, MCC tournament title
Silva has been there done that 😉
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Thompson has been unreal.
Yep. First time I've seen him live. The kid can play.
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OK St is just not that good.
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Conference of Champions. No truck stops here!
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavePasch/status/1373852263341559811
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Not a good day minus Baylor for the B-12.
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OK St is just not that good.
They are very good. They just have started slow too often and have a tendency to get sloppy.
At this point I expect Cuse to beat Houston and Loyola can go 12 seed, 11 seed to the FF
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I checked what the lines would hypothetically be for Loyola’s next game.
Loyola/Oregon St -2
Loyola/Oklahoma St +4
Computers and eye test both show Oregon St is the tougher matchup.
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This may be the most amazing 3 days in tournament history. Wow, just Wow!!
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The Big 12 contingent is down to 3 teams.
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I checked what the lines would hypothetically be for Loyola’s next game.
Loyola/Oregon St -2
Loyola/Oklahoma St +4
Computers and eye test both show Oregon St is the tougher matchup.
I like the cut of your gib!
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I checked what the lines would hypothetically be for Loyola’s next game.
Loyola/Oregon St -2
Loyola/Oklahoma St +4
Computers and eye test both show Oregon St is the tougher matchup.
Loyola would have been favored by 4 over OK St?
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It is a double digit seed dance party
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Loyola would have been favored by 4 over OK St?
On a neutral floor, yes. For the rankings I use:
Loyola 88.76
Ok St 84.93
If one wants to call it -3.5, that’s fine, but Loyola would have been at least a 3 point favorite.
The computer does not like Ok St.
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Winner of Loyola/Oregon State will be playing to trip to the Final Four. Got to love it!
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We can also cheer for Oregon State what is their mascot again
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Oral Roberts Oregon State Arkansas Final Four Picks
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Krutwig handled Cockburn with ease, now he has to turn his attention to some beavers.
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On a neutral floor, yes. For the rankings I use:
Loyola 88.76
Ok St 84.93
If one wants to call it -3.5, that’s fine, but Loyola would have been at least a 3 point favorite.
The computer does not like Ok St.
Hmm interesting
I’m in a Calcutta every year with a group of consultants my old roommate works with. Basically every team seeded 1-12 gets bid on individually and then 13-16 in each region is also bundled together as a single unit to bid on. Then based on the total pot, you get values for a win in each round. Higher seeds you often need to make at least the E8 to break even. This year a first round win was worth $800, making the S16 was an additional $1200 for a total of $2000 if you made the S16...Oregon St went for $350. The lowest in the bracket by far. Next lowest was VCU at $475. The other 12s all went for $550 or $575. Wild value
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Hmm interesting
I’m in a Calcutta every year with a group of consultants my old roommate works with. Basically every team seeded 1-12 gets bid on individually and then 13-16 in each region is also bundled together as a single unit to bid on. Then based on the total pot, you get values for a win in each round. Higher seeds you often need to make at least the E8 to break even. This year a first round win was worth $800, making the S16 was an additional $1200 for a total of $2000 if you made the S16...Oregon St went for $350. The lowest in the bracket by far. Next lowest was VCU at $475. The other 12s all went for $550 or $575. Wild value
I thought about joining one this year, but with Covid, I felt there was too much risk long term. I only did futures bets through the Sweet 16 (although I did a Final Four one on Ga Tech prior to the ACC quarterfinals).
Anyone in a Calcutta with lower seeds is making bank (as you mentioned). Crazy stuff.
These rankings I use were through yesterday and don’t include today’s results. I’d guess since Illinois was #2 in the rankings and Ok St was #35, that Loyola +2 hypothetical will be closer to a pick em based on today’s results.
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Krutwig handled Cockburn with ease, now he has to turn his attention to some beavers.
Before long, he may need to deal with some Oral.
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Anybody else been watching the late night TruTV / TBS (tonight) recap shows? These guys are tired and slappyhappy every night. It's not amazing analysis, but it is slightly entertaining.
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Geez, that Loyola ranking shot up to 97.86 with today’s win over Illinois, Oregon St at 91.92.
Line 6ish for Loyola?
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This has been one of the best tournaments I can remember. Many great games and good ball being played. I don’t even notice “the bubble”.
(Disclaimer: this may be due to the fact the arrogant Big10 is getting their ass completely kicked)
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My money is on OSU tonight...the orange and black one.
Nailed it.
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Can't see how Cade Cunningham helped his draft standing yesterday. Some very dubious decision making going 1 on 3. If he had converted those chances, fine. But he didn't.
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Can't see how Cade Cunningham helped his draft standing yesterday. Some very dubious decision making going 1 on 3. If he had converted those chances, fine. But he didn't.
He'll be fine. Body of work.
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Before long, he may need to deal with some Oral.
Believe Krutwig would have preferred playing Oral before playing the Beavers but either sequence he will like playing them both. In my book You are all Winners.
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Thoughts on officiating so far? I really think these crews have done a pretty consistent job on calling the games. The flops/charge calls have always been 50/50. The hook and hold rules need to be clarified but they have erred on the side of "basketball play".
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Best Monday ever with 2nd round games!
First one to 100 in Oregon/Iowa.
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Who picked the Big 10 to be completely shut out of the Sweet 16?
It’s looking like a real possibility.
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Who picked the Big 10 to be completely shut out of the Sweet 16?
It’s looking like a real possibility.
If that happens, it has to go down as the worse conference performance ever?!? Going by seeds 5 schools would be in the Sweet 16.
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Thoughts on officiating so far? I really think these crews have done a pretty consistent job on calling the games. The flops/charge calls have always been 50/50. The hook and hold rules need to be clarified but they have erred on the side of "basketball play".
I love how they’re letting players bang inside. Nothing easy at the rim this tourney. Otoh the charge calls are out of control and the worst part is they promote flopping and discourage strong attacks to the hoop
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Thoughts on officiating so far? I really think these crews have done a pretty consistent job on calling the games. The flops/charge calls have always been 50/50. The hook and hold rules need to be clarified but they have erred on the side of "basketball play".
With the exception of the OSU squared game last night, I agree.
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If that happens, it has to go down as the worse conference performance ever?!? Going by seeds 5 schools would be in the Sweet 16.
I remember when the Big East had a rough go in the tournament when we had 11 teams I believe. At least UCONN won the title that year.
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Monday basketball is nice but I definitely prefer the Thurs-Sun setup.
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Monday basketball is nice but I definitely prefer the Thurs-Sun setup.
After this, I actually kinda wish they'd switch it to Sat-Tue. More advertising $ for them on the weekend (more games), and people don't have to make as many excuses to leave work (probably less lost productivity) mon & tue.
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I see Oregon only has a measly 75 points with 12 mins left in the game? I always knew Iowa would clamp down in the tournament. :)
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Iowa hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since 1999.
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Iowa hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since 1999.
Tough to fire a guy coming off a 2 seed, but is any Iowa fan happy McCaffery is their coach?
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Iowa hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since 1999.
Gonna be juuuuuuust a bit longer.
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The Ducks thumping Iowa is probably the least surprising result of the 32 rd. As for the B14?? Unless Mich or Mary win the chip this will be the most epic and embarrassing performance by a conference in the history of the NCAA tournament. And I guarantee the talking heads will say something like "they beat each other up during the year and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah".
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The Ducks thumping Iowa is probably the least surprising result of the 32 rd. As for the B14?? Unless Mich or Mary win the chip this will be the most epic and embarrassing performance by a conference in the history of the NCAA tournament. And I guarantee the talking heads will say something like "they beat each other up during the year and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah".
HA! Literally just said that as they left the court!
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The Ducks thumping Iowa is probably the least surprising result of the 32 rd.
Really? Iowa was #2 in efficiency this year (Ducks 13). Defenses roughly the same. B10 certainly not living up to the hype.
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Is CBS aware their commentary audio is not working? Just a music video for the game, lol.
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So the Pac12 is solid. Who knew?
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So the Pac12 is solid. Who knew?
Bill Walton?
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So the Pac12 is solid. Who knew?
Yep. This guy has been telling us about the greatness of the Conference of Champions for years.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R50002eb7ab911b0f56e0e3faaa5c727c?rik=mJSo5AST%2fiJo1g&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcdn1.bloguin.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2fsites%2f94%2f2012%2f05%2fbill-walton.png&ehk=wj%2bZ3CD9TcDJdEPOKWTSUxocMyX7WyClEALnLHuo4EI%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw)
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Really? Iowa was #2 in efficiency this year (Ducks 13). Defenses roughly the same. B10 certainly not living up to the hype.
I'm not much on analytics, my comments are based on the eye test of these two teams. Oregon as usual has playmakers all over the floor and very good overall athleticism. The box score indicates they had no answer for Garza but basically did enough to neutralize Iowa's perimeter players. What I do know is if you're a terrible defensive team and your plan is to try to outscore a team with way more speed and more versatile scorers you're going to lose.
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I'm not much on analytics, my comments are based on the eye test of these two teams. Oregon as usual has playmakers all over the floor and very good overall athleticism. The box score indicates they had no answer for Garza but basically did enough to neutralize Iowa's perimeter players. What I do know is if you're a terrible defensive team and your plan is to try to outscore a team with way more speed and more versatile scorers you're going to lose.
OK. Odds also had Iowa as 5 point favorites. Just not as obvious as you make it sound ;)
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OK. Odds also had Iowa as 5 point favorites. Just not as obvious as you make it sound ;)
Easy pick ;)
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Crapshoot
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After this, I actually kinda wish they'd switch it to Sat-Tue. More advertising $ for them on the weekend (more games), and people don't have to make as many excuses to leave work (probably less lost productivity) mon & tue.
...also does anyone think having the entire tournament at a single site will catch on? Just on the surface look at all the travel expenses being less and the players could do all their class work online, but then all the smaller communities that host the early rounds would lose out.
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The Ducks thumping Iowa is probably the least surprising result of the 32 rd. As for the B14?? Unless Mich or Mary win the chip this will be the most epic and embarrassing performance by a conference in the history of the NCAA tournament. And I guarantee the talking heads will say something like "they beat each other up during the year and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah".
Chris Spatola from ESPN on Sirius XM asked if it was a mistake going to 20 conference games in the Big Ten.
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...also does anyone think having the entire tournament at a single site will catch on? Just on the surface look at all the travel expenses being less and the players could do all their class work online, but then all the smaller communities that host the early rounds would lose out.
I think there’s too much money in hosting it. Plus, I don’t know how Duke and UNC would function without their home games in Charlotte or Greensboro. You can see it was difficult on them this year.
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Good fight by a short handed Oklahoma team. They seem to love long 2s, but hey, if it works.
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...also does anyone think having the entire tournament at a single site will catch on?
No.
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Gonzaga is good. Didn't feel like they played all that well. Comfortable win.
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...also does anyone think having the entire tournament at a single site will catch on? Just on the surface look at all the travel expenses being less and the players could do all their class work online, but then all the smaller communities that host the early rounds would lose out.
No. They managed to find enough hotel rooms for 68 teams and very small groups of fans, but the room demand will be dramatically greater when full crowds are allowed back. No way they could do it in Indy. Vegas might be the only real option, and I don't see that happening.
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No. They managed to find enough hotel rooms for 68 teams and very small groups of fans, but the room demand will be dramatically greater when full crowds are allowed back. No way they could do it in Indy. Vegas might be the only real option, and I don't see that happening.
Agreed. But the NCAA would be wise to keep this in their pocket as a backup/emergency pandemic plan in case it comes up in the future (ala 2020).
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Agreed. But the NCAA would be wise to keep this in their pocket as a backup/emergency pandemic plan in case it comes up in the future (ala 2020).
Absolutely.
It would be negligent for any large organization not to make the lessons learned from 2020 part of their disaster planning. Schools, sports leagues, businesses, governments - all should have 'pandemic' plans moving forward.
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There's no way Texas should have ever lost to this team.
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That’s a tough spot for Abilene, won their Super Bowl late Saturday night, getting ton of attention, and turning around playing Monday afternoon. UCLA was never a good matchup for them to begin with, and Abilene’s legs have to be wobbly.
UCLA isn’t playing great (3rd game in 6 days), but if Abilene can find some legs before the first media timeout in the second half, they’ll have an outside chance.
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Creighton can be prone to droughts so you never know with them, but they are running Ohio out of the gym. Ohio looks lost on both ends.
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Creighton taking it to the hoop. Great finish to the half.
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Zegarowski woke up.
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Big 10 just getting boat raced
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Big 10 just getting boat raced
Don’t jinx it. I REALLY could use a comfy LSU win by 8-10 or more
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Don’t jinx it. I REALLY could use a comfy LSU win by 8-10 or more
Early returns look very promising
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Go Creighton up by 56 to 41
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Refs are letting UM get away with a ton pf physical play and calling LSU for ticky tack fouls.
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Cu over OU 65-49 4:37 left Go Big East
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Cu over OU 65-49 4:37 left Go Big East
65-52 now, just wanted to update everyone.
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65-52 now, just wanted to update everyone.
What’s the score now? I could look but I’d rather refresh this thread.
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The Vander Plas kid who beat Sam at will the other night ... 7 points tonight for Ohio.
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The Vander Plas kid who beat Sam at will the other night ... 7 points tonight for Ohio.
If Creighton is making shots in the 2nd half, they win by 30. Had good looks. Offense was crisp tonight, shots didn’t fall but still mostly a cakewalk
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Two Big East Conference members in the Sweet 16!
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Two Big East Conference members in the Sweet 16!
Kinda' lucked in the path there, but I'll take it - part of the game. $weet 16.
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FSU / CU - will either get to 20 by half?
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FSU / CU - will either get to 20 by half?
I really like Wright for CU but from watching them a few times this year, they have a tendency to try and get into ugly rock fights. When they lose they lose UGLY
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I live bet under 39.5 first half total in this CU/FSU game strictly out of spite.
It’s sad I might actually win it.
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Go LSU. I don't care about them. Just enjoy watching the B1G melt down.
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I live bet under 39.5 first half total in this CU/FSU game strictly out of spite.
It’s sad I might actually win it.
Sorry, shouldn't have jinxed it. You can send me the bill.
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Go LSU. I don't care about them. Just enjoy watching the B1G melt down.
+1 It's become a fun game rooting for them to fail now.
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Sorry, shouldn't have jinxed it. You can send me the bill.
It was a $2 bet for kicks. I’ll take it in Bitcoin though.
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It was a $2 bet for kicks. I’ll take it in Bitcoin though.
We only ever pay in Arby's coupons.
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Kinda' lucked in the path there, but I'll take it - part of the game. $weet 16.
Us Marquette fans would love to be that lucky.
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First sweet 16 (modern format) in Creighton history. Don’t care how we got there and who we having coming up. Such an awesome feeling.
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I’ll be stunned if LSU gets any favorable whistles down the stretch
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I’ll be stunned if LSU gets any favorable whistles down the stretch
You wont be stunned - the refs just called a horrific charge against LSU with the UM player moving his feet and blocking him. Announcers are goign nuts on how bad a call it was in UM's favor.
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And another ticky tack foul called against LSU before the 3 minute time out.
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They haven't for a while.
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NCAA protecting their most powerful conference from losing another high seed against a program with significant investigations and infractions seems too obvious if it’s a coin flip
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The over was an absolute lock in this one. Easy money.
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Leonard Hamilton in a walking boot. Is he making a run at the MU job?
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It’s kind of amusing watching otherwise indifferent haters root unabashedly for a notorious cheater.
Michigan won’t be apologizing for overcoming the loss of their top player to join Gonzaga as the only programs to make the last 4 Sweet Sixteens.
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Leonard Hamilton in a walking boot. Is he making a run at the MU job?
I chuckled.
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Barring a miracle, the Pac12 is about to finally suffer a loss.
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It’s kind of amusing watching otherwise indifferent haters root unabashedly for a notorious cheater.
Michigan won’t be apologizing for overcoming the loss of their top player to join Gonzaga as the only programs to make the last 4 Sweet Sixteens.
Pretty sure Wagner played and played pretty well
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Well, this has been the least entertaining day of the tournament - by far! 2 "upsets" (by seed), but those weren't close games either.
(yes, I'm counting out KU)
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This is quite the beatdown by USC. I assume USC will take their foot off the gas at some point but up to 35 point lead now.
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This is quite the beatdown by USC. I assume USC will take their foot off the gas at some point but up to 35 point lead now.
Do not mind seeing Jayhawks get crushed after that drubbing in the Final Four in 2003.
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USC 6 Oregon 7 same half of same region is terrible committee bracket work.
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Wow!! Here is a list of people upset that Kansas is getting hammered:
:)
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Hot take: Mobley gets drafted ahead of Cade.
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So there are more BEast teams in the S16 than B14 teams?
:)
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Hot take: Mobley gets drafted ahead of Cade.
+1
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Yikes on this quote from Mark Turgeon:
"We're not a Final Four team. Come on, let's be real. ... A lot of teams would kill to be where we were."
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That was a very thorough a$$–whipping. Love to see KU go down big like that.
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Yikes on this quote from Mark Turgeon:
"We're not a Final Four team. Come on, let's be real. ... A lot of teams would kill to be where we were."
Oof! That’s the kind of thing you might expect from a mid-major coach after a couple of surprise wins. It will not play well in College Park.
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Oof! That’s the kind of thing you might expect from a mid-major coach after a couple of surprise wins. It will not play well in College Park.
I don’t think he’s a fan favorite to begin with.
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That was a very thorough a$$–whipping. Love to see KU go down big like that.
Texas and their well-oiled $$ jerk alums losing to a hyphen? Check
Illinois and their ever-whining/blaming annoying fans lose? Check
Wisconsin and their annoying everything lose? Check
The BigTen14 is almost completely eliminated? Check
Arrogant blue-bloods KU, UK, Duke brought down about ten levels in 2021? Check
Hit the sweet $268 $1 exacta multiple times in Gulfstream’s 8th Sunday? Check.
TheBigEast still with a shot at glory? Check.
Am I dreaming?
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Yikes on this quote from Mark Turgeon:
"We're not a Final Four team. Come on, let's be real. ... A lot of teams would kill to be where we were."
Sounds like something Mike Deane might have said.
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Wait....the S16 isn’t being played until the weekend? E8 on Monday and Tuesday?
Damn.
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Pretty sure Wagner played and played pretty well
IMHO, Livers was Michigan’s best and most consistent player before his injury.
Losing a four year player who started for a team that went to the title game is a pretty significant blow.
Regardless, losing either Livers or Wagner makes Michigan much less of a threat for a deep tournament run.
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Leonard Hamilton in a walking boot. Is he making a run at the MU job?
He's a 72-year-old guy in a walking boot. He's not making a "run" for anything!
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Yikes on this quote from Mark Turgeon:
"We're not a Final Four team. Come on, let's be real. ... A lot of teams would kill to be where we were."
So if Turgeon suddenly were available, would we want him as our coach?
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So if Turgeon suddenly were available, would we want him as our coach?
Nope
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So if Turgeon suddenly were available, would we want him as our coach?
👎
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So if Turgeon suddenly were available, would we want him as our coach?
I can't believe you've typed this.
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Wait....the S16 isn’t being played until the weekend? E8 on Monday and Tuesday?
Damn.
When I first learned that last night, I was disappointed.
But then I saw that they plan to show the four games in succession on Saturday and Sunday (instead of two and two on Thursday/Friday) so that we can see all eight Sweet Sixteen games. Damn!!!
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When I first learned that last night, I was disappointed.
But then I saw that they plan to show the four games in succession on Saturday and Sunday (instead of two and two on Thursday/Friday) so that we can see all eight Sweet Sixteen games. Damn!!!
Not a fan of the schedule.
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When I first learned that last night, I was disappointed.
But then I saw that they plan to show the four games in succession on Saturday and Sunday (instead of two and two on Thursday/Friday) so that we can see all eight Sweet Sixteen games. Damn!!!
OK well that's cool.
But I was asleep before the Kansas / USC game even tipped off last night. Not a great schedule for those who follow Ben Franklin's bedtime rules.
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OK well that's cool.
But I was asleep before the Kansas / USC game even tipped off last night. Not a great schedule for those who follow Ben Franklin's bedtime rules.
to be fair, KU was asleep before tip too
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Looking at some of the lines for the S16 games ...
Gonzaga ... 13.5 points is a lot, and if Creighton has one of its red-hot shooting games, they could hang. But if Creighton's even a little off, this one could get real ugly real fast, and the Zags could win by 30. The Zags are more talented, bigger and more physical at every single position.
Baylor ... Nova is well-coached and battle-tested, and I'm rooting for them, but this could be the game when not having Gillespie really comes home to roost. 6.5 points doesn't seem like all that many given Baylor's many advantages.
Syracuse ... No matter how much some want to hate on Boeheim, his teams quite often represent in March. Houston looks shaky to me, and Cuse is playing well. Wouldn't stun me if Cuse wins, let alone covers the 6.
Oregon ... Love the Ducks to beat USC (-2.5).
I don't think I'd touch the other 4 games. Arkansas (-11) should beat Oral Roberts handily, but so should have Ohio State ... 6.5 points seems like a lot for a slow-paced team like Loyola to lay but I don't trust Oregon State ... Michigan (-3) and Fla State should be a war ... gun at my head, I'd take Bama (-6), but there's something about this UCLA team.
All of the above just for "fun," and I've already been wrong a ton so far this tournament (I have plenty of company there). No refunds will be given, but I will accept a share of winnings!
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I like all the favorites which is probably not a great sign for the favorites.
I'm most confident in Gonzaga and Michigan.
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Latest ESPN Re-ranking of all Sweet 16 teams. Creighton #16 Yikes!
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31116402/reseeding-men-march-madness-2021-field-sweet-16
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Wild ending to D2 semifinal.
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNet/status/1375253683437514754?s=20
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Pretty concerned Creighton and Nova will get pummeled. Although...Baylor doesn't have a dominant big.
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Latest ESPN Re-ranking of all Sweet 16 teams. Creighton #16 Yikes!
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31116402/reseeding-men-march-madness-2021-field-sweet-16
That’s a terrible list. Loyola very overvalued, Cuse absurdly overvalued for a team that got swept by Pitt and got blown out by Duke late in the season, also absurd disrespect to Arkansas.
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Loyola is looking good. How come no one thought of Moser for the MU job? ;D ;D ;D
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Thrilling start to this game... 🥱🥱🥱
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I know we didn't tab Moser, but it's going to be refreshing to relearn what good defense looks like.
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I know we didn't tab Moser, but it's going to be refreshing to relearn what good defense looks like.
They have a good defense, but Oregon State is doing everything they can to make Loyola's defense look better. It is like they refuse to move.
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Neither team can make a shot. 3 total field goals in 12 mins?? If I was Oregon St I'd stay in the zone.
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Oregon State seems like they are so concerned about running their "offense" that they are forgetting to simply play basketball.
Lots of standing around, and picking up your dribble expecting to make the next pass instead of just playing.
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First to 40 wins. Jesus this game is awful.
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Neither team can make a shot. 3 total field goals in 12 mins?? If I was Oregon St I'd stay in the zone.
Despite all the complaints I've made in recent years about MU, I can comfortably say we've never been this bad for this long of a stretch. This is terrible basketball.
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This game has been horrible viewing thus far. Totally agree that Oregon St has been stubborn and stupid thus far
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I know we didn't tab Moser, but it's going to be refreshing to relearn what good defense looks like.
And we’ll have an offense. 9 points in 11 minutes. LUC should be up double digits, not one point.
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First to 30?? Wow just wow. Imagine what Illinois and Ok.St are thinking watching this one?
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First to 40 wins. Jesus this game is awful.
Assuming one of these teams gets to 40 feels like a bold prediction.
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First to 30?? Wow just wow. Imagine what Illinois and Ok.St are thinking watching this one?
This is giving me flashbacks to those epically awful MU/SLU games from 2005.
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I have to say I'm not a fan of the schedule. If there is a blowout or a stinker you can't switch to another game. Maybe both teams will pick it up but that was a brutal 12 mins of hoops.
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First to 30?? Wow just wow. Imagine what Illinois and Ok.St are thinking watching this one?
Imagine what Indiana fans are thinking.*
*I like Moser and would have been perfectly happy with him. But I’d definitely have been feeling a little sick to my stomach right now if Shaka hadn’t been announced yesterday.
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Mike Deane and Murf are smiling.
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Assuming one of these teams gets to 40 feels like a bold prediction.
True.
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Thomson could easily take over this one. Loyola looks very shaky vs zone.
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Williamson just got mugged on that drive
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Even as bad as Loyola is playing.....They are in the game because of defense......They are shooting 19%.....
That is why it is imperative that Shaka completely redo the defensive philosophy.....
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Slow tempo hurts when you fall behind. Right, Wisconsin?
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That may have been the worst half of basketball in the S16 in the history of the tournament?? 16 points for the Ramblers? 1-18 other than Krutwig? Ouch.
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Sure am glad Marquette didn't hire a coach whose team manages only 16 first-half points against a 12 seed.
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I've seen this game before
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=310700275 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=310700275)
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I've seen this game before
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=310700275 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=310700275)
I was thinking:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=274000017
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This type of game was definitely the kind you could have expected on occasion with Moser at Marquette, although Buzz had a few similar games
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Defense is fine. Offense has been completely stymied.
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Ethan Thompson is the best player on the floor and the X factor. Loyola getting zero from anyone other than Krutweig. Talent matters...
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In fairness, Shaka's team, filled with NBA prospects, managed 24 points in the second half against a painfully talentless Abilene Christian team that would lose by 100 to UCLA 2 days later.
But yes, Loyola looks horrible on offense. ... Though not as bad as Wally Szczerbiak's hair. What's the deal with that? He land an endorsement deal with Turtle Wax?
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I was thinking:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=274000017
That was a shootout compared to these two I sat though in person
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=250290139
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=250640269
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In fairness, Shaka's team, filled with NBA prospects, managed 24 points in the second half against a painfully talentless Abilene Christian team that would lose by 100 to UCLA 2 days later.
ACU held the vaunted Chris Beard and TTU to 51 points in a close loss earlier in the year. Maybe they aren’t as talentless as you claim and Joe Golding is a good coach who has a system to keep it tight when outgunned
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Ethan Thompson is the best player on the floor and the X factor. Loyola getting zero from anyone other than Krutweig. Talent matters...
Yep. Loyola looks done. Very disappointing.
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ACU held the vaunted Chris Beard and TTU to 51 points in a close loss earlier in the year. Maybe they aren’t as talentless as you claim and Joe Golding is a good coach who has a system to keep it tight when outgunned
Given credit to the other team and coach?
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This type of game was definitely the kind you could have expected on occasion with Moser at Marquette, although Buzz had a few similar games
On occasion? I feel it'd be closer to the norm, especially after the Big East becomes familiar with the system. Moser just doesn't have good offensive players that'd be successful in the Big East. Big East would adapt quickly. Oregon St. had time to prepare and they're dominating Loyola.
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On occasion? I feel it'd be closer to the norm, especially after the Big East becomes familiar with the system. Moser just doesn't have good offensive players that'd be successful in the Big East. Big East would adapt quickly. Oregon St. had time to prepare and they're dominating Loyola.
Oh, I’d agree. If he had recruited similar players he has at Loyola to Chicago, the offenses would have been non-competitive in the Big East
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A couple of us mentioned this last Sunday night on here, that Oklahoma State would have been a better overall matchup for Loyola. Tinkle is on a hell of a couple week run here, he has good players and they’ve just played really solid basketball. When you think of the success of the Pac 12 in this tournament and they won the conference tournament, that’s a really impressive job.
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Why is Sam Dekker on the Buffalo WW ad?? #weird
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Why is Sam Dekker on the Buffalo WW ad?? #weird
Seems wildly appropriate to me
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ACU held the vaunted Chris Beard and TTU to 51 points in a close loss earlier in the year. Maybe they aren’t as talentless as you claim and Joe Golding is a good coach who has a system to keep it tight when outgunned
I know what you're saying, Wags, but so what? ACU gave up 85 to Arkansas and 84 to Central Arkansas, so the defense obviously isn't impregnable. And Loyola scored 71 against a 1-seed just last week, so obviously they aren't the worst offensive team ever.
It was just so predictable that some Smarties would watch today's game and say, "So glad we didn't get Moser," as if one game makes some kind of statement ... even as they casually dismiss the loss to ACU because one game doesn't make any kind of statement.
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A couple of us mentioned this last Sunday night on here, that Oklahoma State would have been a better overall matchup for Loyola. Tinkle is on a hell of a couple week run here, he has good players and they’ve just played really solid basketball. When you think of the success of the Pac 12 in this tournament and they won the conference tournament, that’s a really impressive job.
Bill Walton said it in the PAC 12 tourney........ PAC 12 was underrated and Oregon St. hadn't lost to a ranked team by more than 3 points all season. They were almost always in games early in the season, then finally got over the hump. I'm so mad I didn't put money on them to go to Final Four. I think it was +2500. After PAC 12 tourney I was considering it but with Illinois/Ok St in same bracket, I thought there wasn't a good chance......... ugggggggh
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Why is Sam Dekker on the Buffalo WW ad?? #weird
Well, it's not like he has much else going on. ;D
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Wow ... the refs are calling everything.
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I know what you're saying, Wags, but so what? ACU gave up 85 to Arkansas and 84 to Central Arkansas, so the defense obviously isn't impregnable. And Loyola scored 71 against a 1-seed just last week, so obviously they aren't the worst offensive team ever.
It was just so predictable that some Smarties would watch today's game and say, "So glad we didn't get Moser," as if one game makes some kind of statement ... even as they casually dismiss the loss to ACU because one game doesn't make any kind of statement.
Psst ... I was joking. I didn't think teal was necessary.
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Wow ... the refs are calling everything.
Oregon State is a team that fouls a lot
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Actually ... they aren't calling everything. Krutwig hooks his man almost every time he makes a move to the hoop and never gets called for an offensive foul.
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Teams are finally coming alive now.
Getting good.
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Thomson has a really nice overall game. Too little too late for Loyola.
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Thomson has a really nice overall game. Too little too late for Loyola.
Lotta time left, Muggs.
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First Half: 40 pts
Second Half: 42 pts with 7:47 left
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I know what you're saying, Wags, but so what? ACU gave up 85 to Arkansas and 84 to Central Arkansas, so the defense obviously isn't impregnable. And Loyola scored 71 against a 1-seed just last week, so obviously they aren't the worst offensive team ever.
It was just so predictable that some Smarties would watch today's game and say, "So glad we didn't get Moser," as if one game makes some kind of statement ... even as they casually dismiss the loss to ACU because one game doesn't make any kind of statement.
I don’t even think it’s “Smarties” but this past week we basically heard that Moser was Wooden mixed with Naismith mixed with Brad Stevens with a dash of Dean Smith. Concerns about his offense and pace were tossed aside cause he wins. But this isn’t a compete anamoly. It happened against Drake. Even though they won, it happened against SIU late in the year. He’s a fantastic coach, but it’s an offensive style and system filled with lower players that can lead to this.
And I totally agree about Krutweig getting away with a half dozen hooks so far
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This is a brutal shooting exhibition from Loyola. Had a great chance the last few mins.
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I don’t even think it’s “Smarties” but this past week we basically heard that Moser was Wooden mixed with Naismith mixed with Brad Stevens with a dash of Dean Smith. Concerns about his offense and pace were tossed aside cause he wins. But this isn’t a compete anamoly. It happened against Drake. Even though they won, it happened against SIU late in the year. He’s a fantastic coach, but it’s an offensive style and system filled with lower players that can lead to this.
Fair. I would like to think that if Moser had gotten a higher-level coaching position he would get higher-level recruits, but maybe not. Either we'll get a chance to see because some other P6 school is gonna hire him, or we'll never know.
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Maybe it’s because he looks like him, but Williamson=Cheatham.
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Maybe it’s because he looks like him, but Williamson=Cheatham.
Only goes left?
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What a find by Thompson, what a shot by Lucas
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Much more entertaining second half
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Just not meant to be for Loyola. Please God don't let Syracuse make the F4.
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What a find by Thompson, what a shot by Lucas
Proved to be the dagger, but only after Norris missed a wide-open 3 on a scramble. That goes in and it's a 2-point game with a minute left, and who knows.
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Oregon State passed it in to the corner against the press
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Some of these Oregon St shots have been crazy.
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Proved to be the dagger, but only after Norris missed a wide-open 3 on a scramble. That goes in and it's a 2-point game with a minute left, and who knows.
Loyola missed a couple that would have been huge.
Really seems like in the end, Oregon State has more players simply making great basketball plays, hitting big shots, when Loyola missed theirs.
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Another nice run by Loyola. Congrats to them.
And congrats to Coach Tinkle, too. He's a real pisser!
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RIP MUScoop's interest in Porter Moser 3/19/21 - 3/27/21
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Another nice run by Loyola. Congrats to them.
And congrats to Coach Tinkle, too. He's a real pisser!
Loyola's hopes got Tinkled on.
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Keep in mind if Oregon St. doesn't win the P-12 tournament they aren't in the Big Dance. Pretty amazing.
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Told You Krutwig although he liked to play both would have preferred to play Oral and then Play the Beavers in that sequence.
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goodbye moser. enjoy indiana
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This didn't age well:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31116402/reseeding-men-march-madness-2021-field-sweet-16
Myron Medcalf reseeded Loyola at #5 and Oregon State at #14.
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RIP MUScoop's interest in Porter Moser 3/19/21 - 3/27/21
Lol.
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Told You Krutwig although he liked to play both would have preferred to play Oral and then Play the Beavers in that sequence.
Or Order.
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This didn't age well:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31116402/reseeding-men-march-madness-2021-field-sweet-16
Myron Medcalf reseeded Loyola at #5 and Oregon State at #14.
Not the first time Myron has been way off the Mark.
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My "bracket reset" is already toast!
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This didn't age well:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31116402/reseeding-men-march-madness-2021-field-sweet-16
Myron Medcalf reseeded Loyola at #5 and Oregon State at #14.
Remember when he reseeded Marquette 16 and Miami 2?
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Remember when he reseeded Marquette 16 and Miami 2?
LOL - yep.
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Told You Krutwig although he liked to play both would have preferred to play Oral and then Play the Beavers in that sequence.
Was cheering for Loyola since Marquette already has a New Coach am happy with.
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Taking Nova first half +4.5.
I’m on a Baylor moneyline parlay with Gonzaga first half -6.5 (+112), so bit of a hedge with Nova hopefully keeping the first half close.
If you don’t know, Gonzaga first half spreads are the Alabama football first half spreads.
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This didn't age well:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31116402/reseeding-men-march-madness-2021-field-sweet-16
Myron Medcalf reseeded Loyola at #5 and Oregon State at #14.
I posted earlier that Loyola, Arkansas, and Cuse were all way off. Didn’t even realize it was that doofus Medcalf.
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Remember when he reseeded Marquette 16 and Miami 2?
We could have a thread called Things Myron Medcalf Has Been Wrong About.
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Krutwig > Silva, no matta OSU still wins
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Remember when he reseeded Marquette 16 and Miami 2?
Ooooooops. That's one of my 7 MU go to games when I'm in a bad mood.
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We could have a thread called Things Myron Medcalf Has Been Wrong About.
Nice leaflet "Things Myron has been right about"
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Taking Nova first half +4.5.
I’m on a Baylor moneyline parlay with Gonzaga first half -6.5 (+112), so bit of a hedge with Nova hopefully keeping the first half close.
If you don’t know, Gonzaga first half spreads are the Alabama football first half spreads.
You're brave with that Nova bet, Dish. I think I'd have to go with Baylor -4.5. Could be up by 14.5 (if NCAA starts rewarding only half a point for dunks).
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How is it that Jay Wright can make a quarter zip look more sophisticated than the other coach?
And will he go back to his impeccable suits next year?
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Remember when he reseeded Marquette 16 and Miami 2?
Did that really happen?
I remember after Miami beat an overmatched Illinois team to gocto the Sweet 16, hearing Larranaga talk about his team "floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee" postgame, and thinking that we were about to roll that Miami team. That was a fun game. Totally unprepared for how tough we were.
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Did that really happen?
I remember after Miami beat an overmatched Illinois team to gocto the Sweet 16, hearing Larranaga talk about his team "floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee" postgame, and thinking that we were about to roll that Miami team. That was a fun game. Totally unprepared for how tough we were.
Yes...but the actual numbers were Miami at #7 and MU at #16.
https://www.espn.com.au/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2013/story/_/page/expertMedcalf130325/2013-ncaa-tournament-how-selection-committee-reseed-sweet-16
Bottom line though - he expected Miami to have no problem with us.
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How is it that Jay Wright can make a quarter zip look more sophisticated than the other coach?
And will he go back to his impeccable suits next year?
Cause most coaches are robots who have no sense of fit or style. Look at Drew, his shirt is at least a size, maybe 2 sizes too big. Meanwhile Jay probably got his quarter zip tailored ;D
And I’m sure he will. When you have a $5000 suit like he does, those things are as comfy as pajamas
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Cause most coaches are robots who have no sense of fit or style.
This sentence screams out "Bob Huggins."
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This sentence screams out "Bob Huggins."
To be fair, I'm not sure anything really fits Huggy, and tailors simply look at him and say, here is a blanket I cut a hole through.
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Yes...but the actual numbers were Miami at #7 and MU at #16.
https://www.espn.com.au/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2013/story/_/page/expertMedcalf130325/2013-ncaa-tournament-how-selection-committee-reseed-sweet-16
Bottom line though - he expected Miami to have no problem with us.
Haha. Ok, he reseeded us as the 16th sweet sixteen team. I thought you meant he reseeded the whole tourney and put us as a 16 seed in our region.
Either way, that game was awesome. Maybe even better than watching JFB end Tu "Zip 'em up" Holloway's college career in tears.
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How is it that Jay Wright can make a quarter zip look more sophisticated than the other coach?
It's like you are talking to my wife.
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I think Baylor looks a bit hesitant vs the Nova zone. However, I don't see Nova having enough firepower. They need to hit the triple.
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I think Baylor looks a bit hesitant vs the Nova zone. However, I don't see Nova having enough firepower. The need to hit the triple.
Yeah Nova giving it good effort but this will end badly for them.
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To be fair, I'm not sure anything really fits Huggy, and tailors simply look at him and say, here is a blanket I cut a hole through.
I disagree.
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Either way, that game was awesome. Maybe even better than watching JFB end Tu "Zip 'em up" Holloway's college career in tears.
Holloway played another season at Xavier, but that was the beginning of the end. He was A10 POY and an AA that season. The next year he was neither, and then transitioned into a mediocre pro career that didn’t even feature stints in major Euro leagues or clubs. Sorry bruh, ZIP EM UP!
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I disagree.
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Well, he looks pretty good in that suit. But, I'd argue the pants are too long. He was so close.
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Holloway played another season at Xavier, but that was the beginning of the end. He was A10 POY and an AA that season. The next year he was neither, and then transitioned into a mediocre pro career that didn’t even feature stints in major Euro leagues or clubs. Sorry bruh, ZIP EM UP!
My memory fails me. Regardless, JFB showed the divergent paths of their bball futures that night. Talk is cheap, Tu.
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13-0 run by Villanova. Jay Wright gots this. :P
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13-0 run by Villanova. Jay Wright gots this. :P
Was just going to post that these last 5 minutes have been the most Nova like minutes I've seen
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Playing the Wright way.
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13-0 run by Villanova. Jay Wright gots this. :P
This is stunning to me. Can Nova score enough over 40 mins? Right now Baylor is hesitant and bricking the 3-Ball.
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Man I hate the flop. Drives me nuts.
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Taking Nova first half +4.5.
Damn, Dish, you're good at this!
I am gonna consult you and then make some Final Four bets.
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An absolute coaching clinic by Jay Wright the first 20 mins. I don't think they can hold on in the 2nd half but without Gillespie this is extremely impressive. Coaching, toughness, pedigree. Nova is what Marquette should be. I felt we had everything in place in 2013. It's time to get back to the promised land and quickly. Some of us don't have much time left.
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This is stunning to me. Can Nova score enough over 40 mins? Right now Baylor is hesitant and bricking the 3-Ball.
Nova's defense is underrated
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Nova's defense is underrated
I haven't been impressed with their D most of the year. They threw in some zone today which has shaken Baylor.
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Extra rooting for Nova today after all the Big 12 vs Big East talk the last 24 hours.
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I disagree.
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OOOOOooooweee. Got that Dwight Schrute energy
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On a scale of 1 (low) to 100 what is Kenny Smith's knowledge of college hoops? Is it more than a 5? Why the TNT NBA guys are and have been part of this for so long is a total mystery to me.
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Damn, Dish, you're good at this!
I am gonna consult you and then make some Final Four bets.
When you’re right 51% of the time, you’re wrong 49% of the time. I ain’t that good. 😉
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When you’re right 51% of the time, you’re wrong 49% of the time. I ain’t that good. 😉
What do you think for the 2nd half?
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On a scale of 1 (low) to 100 what is Kenny Smith's knowledge of college hoops? Is it more than a 5? Why the TNT NBA guys are and have been part of this for so long is a total mystery to me.
Ratings.
And I think Smith knows a hell of a lot more than Barkley.
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Ratings.
And I think Smith knows a hell of a lot more than Barkley.
exactly. We're looking for entertainment, not analysis
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Do you really think people are watching these games because of them? Maybe I'm underselling their impact but I doubt it.
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If anyone wants a fun stat, Jay Wright is a perfect 6-0 in the second weekend since 2008. Hasn't lost a single S16 or E8 game in that stretch.
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If anyone wants a fun stat, Jay Wright is a perfect 6-0 in the second weekend since 2008. Hasn't lost a single S16 or E8 game in that stretch.
Only 3 Sweet 16’s since 2009? Nova fans must be furious
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Samuels looks like he's playing Marquette.
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Hasn't lost a single S16 or E8 game in that stretch.
Tied with Wojo and Smart
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Do you really think people are watching these games because of them? Maybe I'm underselling their impact but I doubt it.
Well, the TNT's NBA studio shows gets good ratings. As ESPN has changed its studio show almost every year.
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Well, the TNT's NBA studio shows get good ratings. As ESPN has changed its studio show all most every year.
I accidentally watched 30 secs of ESPN's NBA studio show once. It was among the worst 30 secs of my life.
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Wright needs to get Arch the Younger out of the game. He looks like he's guarding in cement.
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Well, the TNT's NBA studio shows gets good ratings. As ESPN has changed its studio show almost every year.
Who do they have now? When they had Magic it was brutal.
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Who do they have now? When they had Magic it was brutal.
Maria Taylor, Jay Williams and Jalen Rose most of the time.
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Danger time for Nova.
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I think Nova wins this game with Gillespie but unfortunately they just don't have enough.
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I think Nova wins this game with Gillespie but unfortunately they just don't have enough.
Quite possibly. Well coached game by Wright. Keep the pace down, hope to keep it close enough to steal it with a better long range shooting night. Worked for the first half, but this Baylor team is really good. Really looking forward to the Baylor/Gonzaga game we never got in the non-con.
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Ran out of weapons. Good team. Bad luck.
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Quite possibly. Well coached game by Wright. Keep the pace down, hope to keep it close enough to steal it with a better long range shooting night. Worked for the first half, but this Baylor team is really good. Really looking forward to the Baylor/Gonzaga game we never got in the non-con.
The fact that there were so few threes in this game is interesting. Baylor turned them over in the 2nd half and that was that. I wouldn't expect Baylor to shoot this poorly moving forward but props to Wright and Nova.
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An absolute coaching clinic by Jay Wright the first 20 mins.
Nice adjustments by Baylor - second half has gone just like the Bear’s coach “drew” it up.
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Nice adjustments by Baylor - second half has gone just like the Bear’s coach “drew” it up.
Yes, they attacked the rim. Of course Nova dropping 21 pts and committing 10 turns in the 2nd half also helped.
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Very impressive win by Baylor. Nova mucked it up and Baylor didn’t flinch despite being down. Not a classic Villanova team at all but great two weeks despite losing Gillespie
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Whew, Baylor is good. Never won a natty, would be fun to see them take it. And damn Mitchell is quick
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I took ORU first half +6.5 earlier, I’m also going with Cuse first half moneyline at +150.
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I took ORU first half +6.5 earlier, I’m also going with Cuse first half moneyline at +150.
You're a genius DD.
Has a #15 seed ever made a E8??
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You're a genius DD.
Has a #15 seed ever made a E8??
No FGCU lost to Florida in Sweet Sixteen
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You're a genius DD.
Has a #15 seed ever made a E8??
If I were a genius, I’d have bet all the dog first half moneylines instead.
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Will Arkansas show up the final 15 minutes? What in the world is going on in this one? It looks like Oral Roberts is getting any shot they want.
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Will Arkansas show up the final 15 minutes? What in the world is going on in this one? It looks like Oral Roberts is getting any shot they want.
They are clearly the superior Golden Eagles this year.
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Will Arkansas show up the final 15 minutes? What in the world is going on in this one? It looks like Oral Roberts is getting any shot they want.
Arkansas with some strong Saturday morning Y game energy
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Abmas and Obanor should follow Shaka over to MU
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Arkansas with some strong Saturday morning Y game energy
I resemble that remark these days haha
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Maybe Ark has figured it out. I'm not sure why they just don't attack the rack every possession.
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There's really nothing complicated to Oral Roberts offense. Arkansas is just over rotating and over helping on everything. They've been better in the second half
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I'm in a pool where you get 1 team from each team at random. Every game is against the spread. So if you have a underdog who loses but covers, you just take over ownership of the team they lost to.
Oral Roberts is my only team left. Kinda need them to stop winning. A loss and cover lets me take Arkansas against Baylor.
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You have to wonder how much the crowd being there would impact this game down the stretch.
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Believe I have Arkansas in my Bracket this game and Musselman is a solid coach but it bothers me when he or any coach but MU’s runs out so far on the court during the game.
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You have to wonder how much the crowd being there would impact this game down the stretch.
Agree no woo pig sooie
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ORU had a real shot. Smh.
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Maybe Ark has figured it out. I'm not sure why they just don't attack the rack every possession.
Spot on Muggsy. Announcers just what you said after you posted. Plus I think there was a graphic Arkansas only attempted 1 three in the 2nd half. Plus 11 Arkansas offensive rebounds. But ORU up 1.
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Arkansas up 1
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I'm surprised that ORU is still in this. Pulling for them!
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Max Abmas is a poor man's Markus Howard.
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Tied
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Money
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3.1 on the clock Arkansas up 2
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Huge missed FT and then a big time shot from Ark. Abrams from 35 feet for the win?
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Agree no woo pig sooie
I was at the Checkerdome in St. Louis for the 1978 Final 4 and was seated next to a section of AK fans. Those woo pig sooie calls still ring in my ears. That was the Sidney Moncrief team for AK
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Max Abmas is a poor man's Markus Howard.
Tate is a poor man’s Todd Day
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I love these camera shots of nervous fans.
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Do You Believe in Miracles So close ugh
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omg so close woaahhh
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Heartbreaking. I thought it was good.
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Man, that useless ORU technical early...
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Max Abmas is a poor man's Markus Howard.
Agree and reminds me some of a poor man’s Butch Lee with his change of pace dribble too.
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I really didn't understand why Ark didn't attack at will. They won by dominating the offensive glass. I thought they did a lot of dumb things out there and could have easily lost.
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I really didn't understand why Ark didn't attack at will. They won by dominating the offensive glass. I thought they did a lot of dumb things out there and could have easily lost.
First half was coaching malpractice. Credit to them for actually correcting the gameplan at half. ORU was gassed by the end of the game
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Abmus had the run Markus should've had. Like Houston in the next one. Zone is going to struggle against a team like the Cougars that just dominate the offensive glass.
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Abmus had the run Markus should've had. Like Houston in the next one. Zone is going to struggle against a team like the Cougars that just dominate the offensive glass.
I hops you're correct brewcity. Syracuse has been draining the 3-Ball. Can Houston score enough?
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1 Foul in the game so far
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I hops you're correct brewcity. Syracuse has been draining the 3-Ball. Can Houston score enough?
It's also a big deal to have a week to prepare for Syracuse. I thought WVU would be in trouble with the Orange because they are terrible against zone & only had 2 days to get ready. Very different situation tonight.
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That middle of the zone is wide open. That should be a lay-up for these guys. Grimes with 2 fouls.
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It's also a big deal to have a week to prepare for Syracuse. I thought WVU would be in trouble with the Orange because they are terrible against zone & only had 2 days to get ready. Very different situation tonight.
I looked at the discrepancies between these two teams and saw no reason to believe Syracuse could win without Houston laying a major egg
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It's also a big deal to have a week to prepare for Syracuse. I thought WVU would be in trouble with the Orange because they are terrible against zone & only had 2 days to get ready. Very different situation tonight.
We saw first hand how that goes in 2013
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We saw first hand how that goes in 2013
Marquette got pretty damn close to 40 that night
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Complete loss of focus by Houston. The most common theme today is that none of these teams are hitting jumpers.
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Complete loss of focus by Houston. The most common theme today is that none of these teams are hitting jumpers.
Jump shooting teams tend to weed themselves out of the tourney by the 2nd weekend.
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Terrible call on Houston there on the Boeheim drive. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Houston has this zone figured out. Get em Cougs!
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Houston has this zone figured out. Get em Cougs!
They’ve got it figured out when Edwards is on the bench, anyway. Their offense runs much better and they attack the middle of the zone much more aggressively when he sits.
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Andy Katz just said all teams today are 22% from 3 combined overall today.
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I thought Houston played pretty well defensively but offensively they were all over the place as far as shot selection and patience. They should be up about 18 imo.
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Does anyone know how the tournament ratings have been?
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Despite TV usage being down double digits, CBS and Turner Sports' coverage has hardly budged vs. two years ago.
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Does anyone know how the tournament ratings have been?
TV Ratings: NCAA Tournament Keeps Pace With 2019 in Early Rounds. Googled from The Hollywood Reporter.
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Ty MM.
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Cuse getting an ABSURD whistle right now. 2-3 bad calls in a row on Houston on successive possessions in their favor
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Cuse getting an ABSURD whistle right now. 2-3 bad calls in a row on Houston on successive possessions in their favor
Couldn't agree more. Complete garbage. Probably cost Houston a 6 pt swing minimum.
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TV Ratings: NCAA Tournament Keeps Pace With 2019 in Early Rounds. Googled from The Hollywood Reporter.
That is without Duke and Kentucky in 2021.
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That should have been an and-1 on the Grimes transition bucket.
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Thank you University of Houston.
Sincerely,
Everyone.
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Houston reminds me of how Buzz’s teams played at Marquette. All over You on Defense and All over the Boards.
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It would go a long way toward helping me win my office pool if UCLA could knock ‘Bama off today. Please and thank you.
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It would go a long way toward helping me win my office pool if UCLA could knock ‘Bama off today. Please and thank you.
They have a chance. It’s one of the biggest contrast in style games of the weekend
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I think Baylor has a 75% or better chance to get to the title game. They will have a challenge with Houston if they match-up in the F4 but I can't see them losing. It's a bad sign for the other teams in their bracket that they couldn't hit the triple at all yesterday and still coasted to a W. Houston is excellent defensively but I don't see then scoring enough points with Baylor's perimeter quickness.
As for the other side we'll have to see what happens today. Is Livers coming back and which team has the best chance of guarding Gonzaga? When the tournament started I thought Baylor had the tougher path to the title game, now I would say I was completely wrong. I think there are several dangerous teams on the Zags' side including USC and Oregon. The committee really did the P-12 a disservice by having them in the same S-16 bracket.
I hope we see the Zags/Bears Final but I have a few doubts now. Not because Gonzaga isn't the best team of that group but don't think they will have a serious challenge before the E8 round. Creighton really can't defend that team for 40 mins. I expect much better games today and hopefully more drama.
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It would go a long way toward helping me win my office pool if UCLA could knock ‘Bama off today. Please and thank you.
If Gonzaga wins the title, I'm golden.
Otherwise, I need USC and Florida State today and Arkansas tomorrow.
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If Gonzaga wins the title, I'm golden.
Otherwise, I need USC and Florida State today and Arkansas tomorrow.
But in my other bracket, I have Baylor winning the title.
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My bracket is dead and I don't plan to place any cash bets -- I'll live vicariously through Dish on that score.
But I find myself pulling for Gonzaga because I want Mark Few to get a title. He has built a fine program, learning from both successes and mistakes, and just getting better and better at it. He has stayed loyal to a smallish Catholic school in a non-major conference, holding off numerous suitors over the years to build something special. And, to my knowledge, he has done it all with class.
I root for a guy like that, and I don't want his career to end someday with, "Great coach, except he never won a championship."
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My bracket is dead and I don't plan to place any cash bets -- I'll live vicariously through Dish on that score.
But I find myself pulling for Gonzaga because I want Mark Few to get a title. He has built a fine program, learning from both successes and mistakes, and just getting better and better at it. He has stayed loyal to a smallish Catholic school in a non-major conference, holding off numerous suitors over the years to build something special. And, to my knowledge, he has done it all with class.
I root for a guy like that, and I don't want his career to end someday with, "Great coach, except he never won a championship."
I'm 100% rooting for Gonzaga and Few as well. My bracket is in decent shape but I'm 7th in a pool with 260 people. Only the top 4 places cash and it's an uphill climb. If Bama makes it to the F4 I may finish 4th but that appears to be my ceiling. Oregon St. messed thing up. :(
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If Gonzaga wins the title, I'm golden.
Otherwise, I need USC and Florida State today and Arkansas tomorrow.
About 75% of my office pool had Gonzaga winning. So that isn’t enough for me.
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At this point, I'd love to see UCLA, Oregon State and USC (or Oregon) make the Final Four...partly because it would be fun to see a quasi-Pac 12 Tournament, and partly because it would guarantee that a B1G team won't win.
"The Conference of Champions."
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After today, either the ACC or the Big 10 will be completely eliminated.
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At this point, I'd love to see UCLA, Oregon State and USC (or Oregon) make the Final Four...partly because it would be fun to see a quasi-Pac 12 Tournament, and partly because it would guarantee that a B1G team won't win.
"The Conference of Champions."
I'm with you here Goooo. No offense to WisBlue but I'd like to see the B14 completely flame out. That said I think that team with Livers is extremely dangerous.
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I'm with you here Goooo. No offense to WisBlue but I'd like to see the B14 completely flame out. That said I think that team with Livers is extremely dangerous.
They got two HUGE hurdles before even discussing playing with Livers back
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They got two HUGE hurdles before even discussing playing with Livers back
True. He's out unless they make the F4? I didn't realize that. I'm not sure how good FSU is but maybe they find a way today?
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Very much a deer V. headlights start of this game
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Both teams are on fire. First to 90?
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The over in this game was basically a free bet
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About 75% of my office pool had Gonzaga winning. So that isn’t enough for me.
I'm in a small pool. Currently 4th out of 15 but the top 3 already lost their champ.
6 had Gonzaga winning it all but none of them can pass me. 4 had Illinois and 5 people had unique champs. Michigan is the only other champion still alive.
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The over in this game was basically a free bet
What was it? Were the Zags still a 13.5 point favorite this morning?
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What was it? Were the Zags still a 13.5 point favorite this morning?
Was talking about the two team over.
And of course they both start bricking once I say that haha.
I didn't bet it though forgot. Might have to take a stab at the second half.
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I mentioned it here yesterday and was probably too heavily invested in it, but Zags first half (-7.5, also grabbed it at -6.5 earlier this week) was my favorite bet this weekend. When I know the Zags are interested, I generally always love the Zags laying the first half number.
I don’t think the over was free money. First half over was 74.5, it covered, but didn’t fly over. I think the game total was 154, I could be wrong.
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Somebody needs to tell Wally Szczerbiak that Silvio Dante wants his hair back!
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I'm in a small pool. Currently 4th out of 15 but the top 3 already lost their champ.
6 had Gonzaga winning it all but none of them can pass me. 4 had Illinois and 5 people had unique champs. Michigan is the only other champion still alive.
Right now, I’m 3/20. I’m one point behind two others who are tied for first. We all have Gonzaga. Both of them (and the person in 4th) have Advancing in this round and into FF. A UCLA win would go a long way to helping me win it. Michigan would be nice too.
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The rout is on.
At least the BEast had twice as many teams in the S16 as the B14 did.
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The rout is on.
At least the BEast had twice as many teams in the S16 as the B14 did.
Not a lot of doubt this game would be a blow-out. Creighton can't guard them at all. It's that simple. That said I think this game could possibly hurt Gonzaga moving forward. This is just an awful match-up for Creighton.
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Gonzaga's best is better than anybody else's. Full stop. If they play their game, they cut down the nets.
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Gonzaga's best is better than anybody else's. Full stop. If they play their game, they cut down the nets.
Yeah, that isnt even up for debate.
Honestly if Gonzaga merely plays good, its gonna beat anything other something extreme. Outside of maybe Baylor.
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Creighton needed to ring the bell much more. Too many wasted trips on shots they normally hit.
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I agree but remember how bad defensively Creighton is. That's why I'm a tiny bit concerned but there's no doubt their best is better than the rest.
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I think USC can give Gonzaga a game and maybe beat them. I’d still take Gonzaga but USC is quite good
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Creighton is not playing well and having a bad game due to Gonzaga too but at least they scored a few times coming out of time outs.
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Timmy needs a full a**-whoopin by someone, please.
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Eagle and Spanarkle might be my favorite broadcast team in all of sports. Heck Eagle and Fouts might have been my second favorite.
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Timmy needs a full a**-whoopin by someone, please.
Dude is so annoying
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Bold take. Gonzaga is very good at basketball.
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Eagle and Spanarkle might be my favorite broadcast team in all of sports. Heck Eagle and Fouts might have been my second favorite.
Ian Eagle is pretty much flawless in everything he broadcasts and has been for a very long time. In addition to it being a great contest , the MU/Butler 2013 tourney game is elevated even more by Eagle & Spanarkel. Personally, I think Ian Eagle (besides golf) is at a completely different level than Jim Nantz. Honestly it's like comparing Daniel-Day-Lewis to Kevin Costner.
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Ian Eagle is pretty much flawless in everything he broadcasts and has been for a very long time. In addition to it being a great contest , the MU/Butler 2013 tourney game is elevated even more by Eagle & Spanarkel. Personally, I think Ian Eagle (besides golf) is at a completely different level than Jim Nantz. Honestly it's like comparing Daniel-Day-Lewis to Kevin Costner.
Forever known for their Davidson v. Marquette game call.
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Michigan/FSU under 141
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Bold take. Gonzaga is very good at basketball.
Their only weakness is a lack of a rim protector. I'd like to see them go against Baylor's defense in a test of will. Otherwise, I don't think anyone else matches up well with them like Baylor does.
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I'm sorry but this new NCAA tournament schedule blows.
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I'm sorry but this new NCAA tournament schedule blows.
100% agree. Hope they do not make this permanent
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Forever known for their Davidson v. Marquette game call.
Spanarkle: “Marquette doesn’t need a three here.”
...promptly hits threes on three straight possessions.
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I'm sorry but this new NCAA tournament schedule blows.
Agreed. An elite 8 starting at 9:00 PM blows.
My guess is TV prefers this but host cities with crowds would prefer the normal.
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100% agree. Hope they do not make this permanent
It won't.
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100% agree. Hope they do not make this permanent
Was it intended to give them more time for quarantine and testing before the first games? Why did they do it?
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Was it intended to give them more time for quarantine and testing before the first games? Why did they do it?
That was the reasoning for the first weekend.
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Florida State went over a few minutes without scoring but just made a couple of buckets.
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Florida St. looks abysmal. This game looks over.
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Florida State just went over another few minutes without scoring again.
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Turning the ball over, not making 3s.
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Some of these charge calls...
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Some of these charge calls...
The last month, Mike Smith has played defense like he goes to school in Madison. A gust of wind knocks him over
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Wally's analysis:
"Florida St is missing long, short, right, left and they're turning the ball over."
Lol.
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Chuck certainly had a sweaty upper lip
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Was it intended to give them more time for quarantine and testing before the first games? Why did they do it?
I think the reasoning for the second weekend was to allow them to show all of the games without overlap. Four games spread throughout the day on Saturday and Sunday and then two games in prime time on Monday and Tuesday.
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If you love the concept of "paint touches," you're digging the Michigan offense. (And I do, and I am.)
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This officiating is brutal.
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This officiating is brutal.
Meh. One team is significantly outplaying the other
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Meh. One team is significantly outplaying the other
Yes. This looks like the Florida St. team that got rolled by UNC.
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Grant Hill is rightly ripping FSU for whoever has the ball just jacking up a crud shot.
This one is over
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Meh. One team is significantly outplaying the other
Both can be true. It’s not the reason FSU is losing, but Michigan has 7 total fouls and FSU has 3 key players with 3 or more. FSU won’t be in the bonus either half. That’s ridiculous
But FSU has been out of sorts constantly
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If you love the concept of "paint touches," you're digging the Michigan offense. (And I do, and I am.)
Yeah me too. Michigan is good and I'm not a fan. Howard doing one hell of a job there. And their recruiting class coming in is off the charts.
(Might I add, I am for anything that makes bucky miserable)
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Yes, Howard is getting the job done.
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Michigan looks REALLY good again.
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Go Blue!
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When Alabama gets going they really get going.
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It would be nice to have a decent game in the S-16. We're 1 tor 6.
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Wow can you imagine having the coach who recruited a lot of these guys to Florida State?
Glad we didn't end up with Dennis Gates...
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Alabama has gone flat, UCLA methodically building a lead.
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When Alabama gets going they really get going.
And now they’re down 11, most damage coming after Campbell picked up his second for UCLA.
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Nightmare half for Bama. And someone here cajoled me to pick them!! Good grief.
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It’s Bill Walton’s world. We’re just living in it.
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Well, Bama turned that around in a hurry…
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Well, Bama turned that around in a hurry…
I see UCLA let Wojo coach the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half.
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Well, Bama turned that around in a hurry…
And just like that...
Fun game.
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Well, Bama turned that around in a hurry…
But then they kicked the ball away twice Goooo. Can't happen.
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OK, on a fast break i'm going to fake a behind the back pass then give you a behind the head pass while running full speed. just be ready for it. - #13 on Bama
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Not sure about Bama's shot selection... . attack. And move the basketball.
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Unconscionable plays by Bama down the stretch. All one on one, no ball movement whatsoever.
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College officials continue to be a**
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Cronin just mucks up games.
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11-23 from the FT line. That is death.
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3 out of 4 missed in the final minute for a 75% FT shooter. Horrific
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11-23 from the FT line. That is death.
so you're saying free throws matter
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Omg!!!
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Wow
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Clutch!
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That was a well drawn up play to prevent the foul.
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That was a well drawn up play to prevent the foul.
It was. UCLA was going to foul when he crossed half court. Passed it just before crossing.
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That was a well drawn up play to prevent the foul.
The little weave near half court made go “what are you...” and then I saw Reese wheel open.
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Seriously??!!! 11 for 25 wth??
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Seriously??!!! 11 for 25 wth??
Pathetic
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Does Nate Oats practice free throws?
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Does Nate Oats practice free throws?
FTs no matta
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Jaquez is a heck of a ball player. Bama deserved to lose.
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Apparently Bama thought that 3 was a game winner
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Conference of Champions!
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Seriously??!!! 11 for 25 wth??
And two front end one and one misses. Brutal.
Props to Cronin and UCLA for not getting rattled after that buzzer beater.
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I’m seeing how Quinerly didn’t work well with Jay Wright
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Jaquez is a heck of a ball player. Bama deserved to lose.
Yeah he's always in the right place at the right time. I covet him
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3 of 8 in the Elite 8 from the Pac 12. Could be more if the committee didn’t put a 6 and 7 in the same region.
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Oats picked the wrong week to not have his team practice free throws.
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Amazing. I didn't see UCLA winning this overtime.
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Conference of Champions!
Bill Walton must be thrilled this evening. Three P-12 teams in the E8. Wow, Just Wow
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Bill Walton must be thrilled this evening.
Depends if the shrooms are working their magic.
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Bill Walton must be thrilled this evening. Three P-12 teams in the E8. Wow, Just Wow
Alabama beat themselves but that was a knock on them coming into the tournament. Exciting style of play with Nate Oats but his team needs to refine it's decision making/shot selection. If they do that, they can compete for a title.
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Alabama beat themselves but that was a knock on them coming into the tournament. Exciting style of play with Nate Oats but his team needs to refine it's decision making/shot selection. If they do that, they can compete for a title.
Agreed. That was a game they should have won. Especially with Juzang fouling out. Marquette should have won at Pauley as well.
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Depends if the shrooms are working their magic.
Big Red gets top quality ‘shrooms. They always work.
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Was Walton's best better than Jabbar's? I'm talking his all around game, not scoring. I like watching the old '77 Blazers clips. Fun team. That was a damn good hoops year for the world.
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Was Walton's best better than Jabbar's? I'm talking his all around game, not scoring. I like watching the old '77 Blazers clips. Fun team. That was a damn good hoops year for the world.
Kareem had an unstoppable shot. That, alone, might have made him a "better" player. But the single thing that made Kareem better was that he was durable for about 1,000 years, while Walton couldn't stay on the court. One can say something like, "Take away the injuries ... " but you can't take away the injuries. In college, both were singular talents in an era when dominant bigs were supremely important.
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Kareem had an unstoppable shot. That, alone, might have made him a "better" player. But the single thing that made Kareem better was that he was durable for about 1,000 years, while Walton couldn't stay on the court. One can say something like, "Take away the injuries ... " but you can't take away the injuries. In college, both were singular talents in an era when dominant bigs were supremely important.
Agreed and I wouldn't put Walton anywhere near Kareem just because of durability alone. I'm just curious how he was perceived when he was healthy in the NBA vs Jabbar?
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Bill Walton was considered the best player on the planet at one time
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USC seems to be a pretty complete team. Great overall athleticism.
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USC seems to be a pretty complete team. Great overall athleticism.
Don't think it will matter much. But I definitely think they are the tougher match up for Gonzaga.
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Agreed and I wouldn't put Walton anywhere near Kareem just because of durability alone. I'm just curious how he was perceived when he was healthy in the NBA vs Jabbar?
If healthy, I think Walton may have been a top 10 all timer. He was that good.
But he was still not Kareem. I am not sure of the order, but Kareem, MJ, Lebron, and Wilt are top 4.
But Kareem and Wilt are the only ones where they actually changed the rules of the game to balance the playing field.
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Bill Walton was considered the best player on the planet at one time
Way before my time but would you say he was similar to Russell in that scoring was not his primary skill? His passing was sweet.
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My bracket is in a tough spot after that UCLA win. I didn't realize one of the people I'm chasing actually had UCLA in the Elite 8.
I need either Baylor or Michigan to lose in the E8 and Gonzaga to win the title.
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plz god no more.lily
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Way before my time but would you say he was similar to Russell in that scoring was not his primary skill? His passing was sweet.
I cannot answer that question. I referenced what Walton's co broadcaster said during the PAC 12 tourney. Also had heard that from my dad before I think as well.
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If healthy, I think Walton may have been a top 10 all timer. He was that good.
But he was still not Kareem. I am not sure of the order, but Kareem, MJ, Lebron, and Wilt are top 4.
But Kareem and Wilt are the only ones where they actually changed the rules of the game to balance the playing field.
Agree. He wasn’t as good as the four you mentioned, but he’d be in the general ballpark of guys like Bird, Magic, Russell and Kobe if he had stayed healthy. Such a fun player to watch. Shame his knees betrayed him.
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USC has looked awfully good the last couple of games. Ordinarily I would say they’d have a pretty decent shot in the next round, but with Gonzaga coming up, they need to play a fairly perfect game.
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USC has looked awfully good the last couple of games. Ordinarily I would say they’d have a pretty decent shot in the next round, but with Gonzaga coming up, they need to play a fairly perfect game.
Way better than I thought. As you say, it would be an epic upset if they can take down Gonzaga.
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Oregon within 11
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Oregon within 11
Takes awhile to figure out USC with their defense and length.
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Takes awhile to figure out USC with their defense and length.
Apparently more than 40 minutes.
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Several games in this tournament -- maybe even most -- just begged for the Elam ending.
I love college hoops, but a 4-point game with 1:30 left and the teams combining to still have 5-6 time-outs remaining almost always ends up being terrible television. It never was great; now you have to add in that there will be anywhere from 1 to 6 long stoppages to look at replays. It's an effen slog.
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This Houston game feels like a blowout.
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Oregon State killing themselves.
Given up 13 OR and 6/14 at the line.
They keep getting the score to 11 or 12 ish then give up a 3 off a second chance.
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Oregon State killing themselves.
Given up 13 OR and 6/14 at the line.
They keep getting the score to 11 or 12 ish then give up a 3 off a second chance.
They should've lost every game they played so far. It's about time their ridiculous luck turned.
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They should've lost every game they played so far. It's about time their ridiculous luck turned.
That is true.
They have been on quite the run so it was only a matter of time. But today is strictly self inflicted.
Still slightly in it though if they can get another couple stops.
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Coach Tinkle might not pull this one out
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Buckle up
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Lol that 3 from Houston was ridic
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Lol that 3 from Houston was ridic
Not going to count but yeah. Crazy.
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They should've lost every game they played so far. It's about time their ridiculous luck turned.
Who, Oregon State?
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That 1-3-1 is lethal. Only reason the Beavers are in this game.
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Rebounds. They simply cant grab em.
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Houston owning the boards. Otherwise I’m not impressed. Offense is too three centric, even before the 1-3-1 was put in.
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FGs made and TOs are dead even.
But Houston has 18 more FG attempts.
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Alabama and oregon State think free throws matta.
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Grimes has a very high annoying factor
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Tinkle’s daughters lived across the hall from me. Both D1 players, the oldest played pro. Youngest the first WBB nursing major at Gonzaga, now at Gtown. Great hoops family. All huge too!
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Anti Climatic ending.
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Oregon St. was absolutely brutal down the stretch after closing it to 3.
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Anti Climatic ending.
9-1 since it was tied at 55. Two terrible three point attempts by OSU after that. I think I’ve seen more air balls in this tourney that any other.
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Oregon St. was absolutely brutal down the stretch after closing it to 3.
Their defense had Houston players yelling at each other. Surprisingly entertaining game!
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Oregon St. was absolutely brutal down the stretch after closing it to 3.
They tied it
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They should've lost every game they played so far. It's about time their ridiculous luck turned.
Ummm......no. Oregon St. was severely underrated and you don't win 3 NCAA tourney games by luck.
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Not a fan of that last second three, that's for sure.
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Ummm......no. Oregon St. was severely underrated and you don't win 3 NCAA tourney games by luck.
Sure you do. Loyola missed a ton of open looks last game for instance.
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Who, Oregon State?
Yes, based on shot quality, they should've lost every game. The Loyola game most notably, where Shot Quality respected expected LUC to win 92% of the time by an average margin of 17 points. The Beavers were insanely lucky shooting and insanely lucky in terms of the shots they allowed.
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What are your overall thoughts on Kelvin Sampson? I'm all for 2nd chances but at the time I honestly didn't think he would get a college job let alone get to a F4.
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I find the trio of Nantz, Raftery, and Grant Hill extremely awkward.
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What are your overall thoughts on Kelvin Sampson? I'm all for 2nd chances but at the time I honestly didn't think he would get a college job let alone get to a F4.
As some have mentioned, the violations he committed weren’t all that bad and aren’t even violations anymore. He got a reasonable penalty.
As for getting another job, it made sense. He’s a fantastic coach who has won everywhere. He was close to back to back F4s at OU. He’d have made IU a power if he was still there
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I find the trio of Nantz, Raftery, and Grant Hill extremely awkward.
Bring back Billy Packer, hey.
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What are your overall thoughts on Kelvin Sampson? I'm all for 2nd chances but at the time I honestly didn't think he would get a college job let alone get to a F4.
Ya, not sure. Things were terrible at Indiana.
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Bring back Billy Packer, hey.
I don't know but it's just a weird combo. I get they have been the "A" team for awhile but something is way off. Maybe it's Hill? I feel bad for Ian Eagle and Kevin Harlan.
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I find the trio of Nantz, Raftery, and Grant Hill extremely awkward.
Get rid of Hill. Why would you give the best color man in sports less mic time?
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Get rid of Hill. Why would you give the best color man in sports less mic time?
Agreed.
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I'm watching Matthew Mayer and reminded that hs rankings can be off. He was in the same class as Joey Hauser and plays the same position. If you were an NBA scout would you say that Joey does anything better than Mayer? I'd say no and he's much slower.
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Why is Mitchell in the game with 2 fouls up 15 in the first half? If they were down 15 I’d get it...
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What are your overall thoughts on Kelvin Sampson? I'm all for 2nd chances but at the time I honestly didn't think he would get a college job let alone get to a F4.
Cheated. Cheated again, then lied about it.
Left a proud program as a smoking crater with sanctions, drug and academic issues
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Cheated. Cheated again, then lied about it.
Left a proud program as a smoking crater with sanctions, drug and academic issues
Didn't secure his potted plants either.
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Butler playing like timid Carton right now and its killing Baylor
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Baylor definitely missed an opportunity to slam the door.
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Baylor's guys have mastered selling the flop.
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Baylor a totally different team with Mitchell on the floor.
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Baylor a totally different team with Mitchell on the floor.
Hes their best player.
Butler is too slow with it at times and doesnt know when to attack. Mitchell always on the go.
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That's one strange shooting motion by that Baylor kid who made the three. Strange, but effective.
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Arkansas cuts it to 4 and misses 10 shots in a row. 8 minutes without a FGBall game.
A convicted cheater against a well known cheater in the Final Four matchup. Uggh.
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Take note of how Baylor had 4 PGs on the floor with a few minutes to go and spread Arkansas out. Arkansas couldn't do a thing. Great guard play wins tourney games. MU needs at least 2 guards.
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Well, my bracket is hanging by a thread. If UCLA can upset Michigan, and Gonzaga wins the title I will win my bracket by a single point.
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Well, my bracket is hanging by a thread. If UCLA can upset Michigan, and Gonzaga wins the title I will win my bracket by a single point.
I'm in the lead on mine with two already in the FF and still the potential of all four. The key for me is that Houston has to pull the upset over Baylor. I'm not overly confident in that.
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I think I will win mine if anyone but Gonzaga wins the title. I thought Gonzaga would win it all, but I didn’t think the rest of my bracket would be good enough to have the best Gonzaga champion bracket so I picked Baylor over Gonzaga in the title, and now I’m sitting in first place as it is.
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I think I will win mine if anyone but Gonzaga wins the title. I thought Gonzaga would win it all, but I didn’t think the rest of my bracket would be good enough to have the best Gonzaga champion bracket so I picked Baylor over Gonzaga in the title, and now I’m sitting in first place as it is.
I went for the best Gonzaga bracket strategy. I learned my lesson in 2007 when I thought everyone would pick Florida to repeat. Well, only one person ended up picking Florida and he won our pool easily.
And I actually do have the best Gonzaga bracket in my pool. But the leader picked UCLA to the Elite 8. Our scoring system has a seed bonus for the first 3 rounds, so that is almost like picking a champ.
At least I benefitted from that scoring system when Davidson went to the Elite 8 and I won my pool. Me and the runner up both nailed the title game (Kansas over Memphis) but the Davidson run put me over the top.
As for your bracket, that's not a bad spot to be in. Gonzaga could lose to any of USC, Michigan, or Baylor.
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I went for the best Gonzaga bracket strategy. I learned my lesson in 2007 when I thought everyone would pick Florida to repeat. Well, only one person ended up picking Florida and he won our pool easily.
And I actually do have the best Gonzaga bracket in my pool. But the leader picked UCLA to the Elite 8. Our scoring system has a seed bonus for the first 3 rounds, so that is almost like picking a champ.
At least I benefitted from that scoring system when Davidson went to the Elite 8 and I won my pool. Me and the runner up both nailed the title game (Kansas over Memphis) but the Davidson run put me over the top.
As for your bracket, that's not a bad spot to be in. Gonzaga could lose to any of USC, Michigan, or Baylor.
Ours doubles the points every round, so if you pick the champion you get 32 points for that single game. I hate that because really no lead is safe; it's virtually impossible to win the pool if you don't pick the champion correctly (assuming that someone else does). I'm all for increasing the value of correct picks each round, but I don't like doubling them each round. Under our scoring system, it's worth more points (63) to pick the eventual champion than it is to pick the FF correctly (60).
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I have USC in the title game. If they run, I win.
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I have USC in the title game. If they run, I win.
Oh please no. Bill Walton will become totally impossible.
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I need Gonzaga to win the title over Houston. Do that and I'm golden in my pool.
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Ours doubles the points every round, so if you pick the champion you get 32 points for that single game. I hate that because really no lead is safe; it's virtually impossible to win the pool if you don't pick the champion correctly (assuming that someone else does). I'm all for increasing the value of correct picks each round, but I don't like doubling them each round. Under our scoring system, it's worth more points (63) to pick the eventual champion than it is to pick the FF correctly (60).
Our system:
1x seed
2× seed
4 plus seed
8
16
32
So a 1 seed in the E8 is worth 8 points, but an 11 seed in the E8 is worth 48 points. If you can nail some early upsets or a deep Cinderella run, you get rewarded.
I'm basically in 2nd thanks to picking USC to the E8, but the leader had both USC and UCLA in the E8, and he had all 1 seeds in the FF, with Illinois over Gonzaga in the title game. If Michigan makes the FF, he clinches. Or a Gonzaga loss in any round, he clinches.
The only consolation is that 2nd place breaks even and only 1 person has a chance to pass me. She needs Michigan to either make win the title, or make the title game while Gonzaga loses to USC. UCLA beating Alabama really hurt my bracket but now I really need them to beat Michigan! I would clinch 2nd and stay alive for 1st.
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Sweet 16, best viewership since 1993.
12% increase from 2019.
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Sweet 16, best viewership since 1993.
12% increase from 2019.
You think that's good? It's infinitely better than 2020 viewership.
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Sweet 16, best viewership since 1993.
12% increase from 2019.
A lot of big market schools in the sweet 16 has got to help: USC, UCLA, Loyola, Nova, Houston.
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A lot of big market schools in the sweet 16 has got to help: USC, UCLA, Loyola, Nova, Houston.
Well, the difference is the stand alone games.
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Sweet 16, best viewership since 1993.
12% increase from 2019.
Yeah, this schedule is staying
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Yeah, this schedule is staying
I don't think it will. Saturday thru Tuesday is not fan friendly in filling arena.
I'm also guessing the Elite 8 ratings will be very poor. 10:05ET game last night was brutal.
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I'm also guessing the Elite 8 ratings will be very poor.
I suspect you’re right about that.
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Both the men's and women's regional semifinals garnered high viewership for their respective NCAA Tournament games over the weekend.
On the men's side, the Sweet 16 produced its best performance in 28 years, averaging 12.9 million viewers across CBS and TBS, marking a 12 percent increase from 2019. Throughout the eight games, the average of 6.46 million viewers was an improvement from the 5.74 million viewers that watched two years ago.
The women's games, meanwhile, brought in 1.559 million viewers on ABC for UConn vs. Iowa, while 1.223 million watched Baylor-Michigan. Monday's UConn-Baylor Elite Eight game drew 1.703 million viewers — the most watched game of the women's tournament so far.
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Both the men's and women's regional semifinals garnered high viewership for their respective NCAA Tournament games over the weekend.
On the men's side, the Sweet 16 produced its best performance in 28 years, averaging 12.9 million viewers across CBS and TBS, marking a 12 percent increase from 2019. Throughout the eight games, the average of 6.46 million viewers was an improvement from the 5.74 million viewers that watched two years ago.
The women's games, meanwhile, brought in 1.559 million viewers on ABC for UConn vs. Iowa, while 1.223 million watched Baylor-Michigan. Monday's UConn-Baylor Elite Eight game drew 1.703 million viewers — the most watched game of the women's tournament so far.
The women's numbers may be higher than recent NBA games.
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Well that didnt look good, yikes
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No chest compressions yet. At least the first time they came back from commercial.
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Scary stuff wow. Hoping he’s ok. That was bizarre.
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He was sitting up and talking on the stretcher.
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Gonzaga has taken like 1 jump shot in 7.5 minutes.
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Gonzaga isn’t even trying. This is embarrassing. Also Timme is annoying as hell
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23 points in 8 minutes. One 3 pt attempt.
It is possible they are just this good.
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Scary stuff wow. Hoping he’s ok. That was bizarre.
I just got home what happened?
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What kind of douche celebrates every made basket?
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I just got home what happened?
Ref collapsed on the court mid play. Fortunately looks ok
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Especially when they make so many.
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I was kind of abstractly rooting for Gonzaga to complete the undefeated season but Drew Timme is so unnatural carnal knowledgeing insufferable I have changed my mind and want them to lose and lose badly. Not gonna happen which is going to make him even more annoying.
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What kind of douche celebrates every made basket?
A guy having fun.
Plus, he is going against a top 5 lottery pick - and totally schooling him. A poor man’s Bill Walton.
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A guy having fun.
Plus, he is going against a top 5 lottery pick - and totally schooling him. A poor man’s Bill Walton.
Nah that ain’t it
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What kind of douche celebrates every made basket?
Maybe USC should actually stop him from scoring. Then he wouldn’t celebrate.
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If USC wants him to not be a jerk, play defense.
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Ref collapsed on the court mid play. Fortunately looks ok
Wow. Hopefully he's alright.
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Wow. This appears to be a complete beatdown. Probably not a great idea to run with the Zags if you don't have the personnel?
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Forcing zero turnovers while coughing up a half-dozen live-ball turnovers is a good way to put yourself in a deep hole against the No. 1 team in the country.
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Forcing zero turnovers while coughing up a half-dozen live-ball turnovers is a good way to put yourself in a deep hole against the No. 1 team in the country.
I feel like MU fans know that from experience
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Forcing zero turnovers while coughing up a half-dozen live-ball turnovers is a good way to put yourself in a deep hole against the No. 1 team in the country.
They can't really guard them. The only time they get stops is when Gonzaga misses wide open looks.
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This is brutal
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This is like a terrible regular season game. Super lame.
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Gonzaga is just freaking good
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I would like a Jaime Jaquez type player on the MU roster.
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0 Fouls called on Michigan
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0 Fouls called on Michigan
As soon as I wrote that 2 Fouls
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Very odd half. I can't tell if it's bad offense or good defense? Other than Juzang no one is playing particularly well.
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Oh boy....Juzang hurt.
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UCLA got up 9 quickly out of half. And they look like us against Gtown ever since.
Bad shot selection and terrible shot execution on good looks.
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That call sucked. Bad break for Riley.
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Terrible 4th foul call on Riley. Brutal.
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Officials all up Howard's ass.
Dude been bi tchin all game
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Officials have missed about 6 straight calls.
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That call on Riley was enormous. Michigan is just too big inside. I don't think UCLA can win the game with only Juzang going one on one.
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Cronin makes the right move putting Riley back in.
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I get he's still young and playing a year ahead, but man...Etienne was awkward and lost out there
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UCLA is completely gassed. How they are in this game at all is pretty amazing.
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Gonzaga is gonna absolutely eviscerate these teams.
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Gonzaga is gonna absolutely eviscerate these teams.
Well if it's UCLA that's going to be ugly. Michigan has the personnel but will get rolled if they play like they have tonight.
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Very surprised they didn't give Juzang the rock. Jaquez has had a tough night. Strange decision by Cronin.
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My bracket needs UCLA to hang on! Come on Bruins!
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What was that?? Can you foul before the ball is inbounded??
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I've been trashing Wagner all game. Thought he was about to make me eat my words.
Airballs it by 5 feet.
Dude has the "tools" and "measureables" but hes got absolutely zero flash or killer instinct.
If he was projected to go 28th. I'd love it as a NBA fan, could help a contender.
As a lottery pick?!?!?!? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Ughhhhhh. 91% FT shooter. Fk. Please hold on UCLA.
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Wow. Hell of a look.
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Wow. Hell of a look.
.5 is enough time.
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YESSSSSSS!!!!!!
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Conference of Champions.
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Wow! Survive and advance!
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Long trip back to Germany for Mutter unt Vater Wagner.
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Smith and Wagner might not be allowed back in Ann Arbor after their performances. That was brutal and they deserve all the flack they will get for it
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Gonzaga opens at 12.5 I am guessing.
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Smith and Wagner might not be allowed back in Ann Arbor after their performances. That was brutal and they deserve all the flack they will get for it
Really?
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That was of course hyperbole. Doesn’t change that they both played awfully in a 2 point loss
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Other than maybe Baylor, UCLA is the only FF team that has played and beat real competition (as it would be defined pre-tournament), I wouldn't discount that.
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Conference of Champions.
There is not enough weed in California for Bill Walton right now
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Other than maybe Baylor, UCLA is the only FF team that has played and beat real competition (as it would be defined pre-tournament), I wouldn't discount that.
Yep. I mean, UCLA had to beat Marquette!
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Yep. I mean, UCLA had to beat Marquette!
MU absolutely should have won that game. Bill Walton was very kind to Marquette nation during the broadcast but we still let that one get away.
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Terrible execution by UM. Did Dickenson get a single shot after Riley fouled out?
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Major props to UCLA. They win ugly, but they win. And Juzang was incredible.
Gonzaga is at a different level, but a lot of people have lost money betting against UCLA in this tournament.
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Terrible execution by UM. Did Dickenson get a single shot after Riley fouled out?
Nope. Great point Billy.
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Long trip back to Germany for Mutter unt Vater Wagner.
You spelled “the NBA lottery” incorrectly
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Terrible execution by UM. Did Dickenson get a single shot after Riley fouled out?
Not the best in-game coaching by Howard. At least tonight, Cronin thoroughly outcoached him.
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Other than maybe Baylor, UCLA is the only FF team that has played and beat real competition (as it would be defined pre-tournament), I wouldn't discount that.
Gonzaga has far better resume wins that UCLA lol.
They beat WVU, Iowa and Kansas
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Gonzaga has far better resume wins that UCLA lol.
They beat WVU, Iowa and Kansas
Not just beat, they manhandled Iowa and Kansas.
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MU absolutely should have won that game.
Fans of just about all the teams UCLA beat are lamenting: “We shoulda beat that team!”
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Gonzaga has far better resume wins that UCLA lol.
They beat WVU, Iowa and Kansas
In the tournament!?!? I must have been watching the wrong one. lol
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Not just beat, they manhandled Iowa and Kansas.
They also smashed Auburn, who while they may be way down this year. Are still an SEC team.
Gonzaga has now also played a BIg12, Big East and Pac 12 team in the tourney. Closest game was like 17.
This team is legit as it gets.
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Fans of just about all the teams UCLA beat are lamenting: “We shoulda beat that team!”
We pissed that game away but you point is well taken. UCLA has improved a lot since then, especially defensively.
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They also smashed Auburn, who while they may be way down this year. Are still an SEC team.
Gonzaga has now also played a BIg12, Big East and Pac 12 team in the tourney. Closest game was like 17.
This team is legit as it gets.
Of course they are. And as a 1 seed they've had an appropriately easy path and taken care of it (Iowa & Kansas should be ashamed they couldn't survive to give them a rematch). I'm just saying, of the FF participants, UCLA has played the hardest tournament schedule. And that's legit.
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In the tournament!?!? I must have been watching the wrong one. lol
Misread what you meant by "pre tournament"
But Baylor beat Wisconsin, Nova and Arkansas
That is not much different at all than Oklahoma, Creighton and USC.
Honestly the only reason why I wouldn't favor the Zags is the fact you said "pre tourney" for USC.
UCLA beat MSU(trash), Byu(a team Zags beat like 3 times), Fu cking Abilene Christain, Bama(impressive), Michigan(no Livers)
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Of course they are. And as a 1 seed they've had an appropriately easy path and taken care of it (Iowa & Kansas should be ashamed they couldn't survive to give them a rematch). I'm just saying, of the FF participants, UCLA has played the hardest tournament schedule. And that's legit.
Tempo was 59 tonight for those who can't stand slow style of play.
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Tempo was 59 tonight for those who can't stand slow style of play.
It was an awful game! (true. lol)
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Misread what you meant by "pre tournament"
But Baylor beat Wisconsin, Nova and Arkansas
That is not much different at all than Oklahoma, Creighton and USC.
Honestly the only reason why I wouldn't favor the Zags is the fact you said "pre tourney" for USC.
UCLA beat MSU(trash), Byu(a team Zags beat like 3 times), Fu cking Abilene Christain, Bama(impressive), Michigan(no Livers)
Say what you want, and lets throw away ACU because the Zags also had Norfolk St. Kenpom rankings:
OK (42), CU (21), USC(6) = average 23
BYU (17), Bama (9), UM (4) = average 10
Baylor had the second hardest tournament slate (avg 14 throwing out the worst team).
Just going by all opponents kenpom average:
UCLA: 35
Baylor: 59
Gonzaga: 69
Houston: 73
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Imagine being a Cincinnati fan. Mick Cronin delivered 9 straight tourney appearances, all but one of them with single digit seeds, and you get 1 Sweet 16 (in the second one) and then 7 straight years of first weekend exits. Cronin leaves for UCLA and in 2 years he takes an 11 seed to the Final Four. March is funny like that.
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I found this interesting: https://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/2135137/houston-makes-history-by-facing-only-double-digit-seeds-en-route-to-final-four
No. 2 Houston's path to its first Final Four appearance since 1984 has come with its challenges. Those roadblocks just haven't come in the form of the opposition's seed.
The Cougars became the first team in NCAA Tournament history to face only double-digit seeds en route to the Final Four after knocking off No. 12 Oregon State.
Houston faced No. 15 Cleveland State, No. 10 Rutgers, and No. 11 Syracuse before Monday's matchup. The Cougars beat their low-seeded foes by an average of 14 points per game.
Houston has yet to face a team ranked higher than 20th in KenPom rankings this season. However, the program will face either No. 1 Baylor or No. 3 Arkansas in the Final Four. If the Cougars advance, they could potentially meet undefeated Gonzaga in the championship game.
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Say what you want, and lets throw away ACU because the Zags also had Norfolk St. Kenpom rankings:
OK (42), CU (21), USC(6) = average 23
BYU (17), Bama (9), UM (4) = average 10
Baylor had the second hardest tournament slate (avg 14 throwing out the worst team).
Just going by all opponents kenpom average:
UCLA: 35
Baylor: 59
Gonzaga: 69
Houston: 73
Well I mean a 11 seed should have a tougher path than 1 seeds thats obvious.
But Byu lol. That team had the classic "empty resume". Gonzaga beat them 3 times. USC blew their doors off.
UCLA did beat Bama and Michigan which are better than anything Baylor and Gonzaga faced but that isn't tipping the scales. USC was much more tested than Gonzaga and that resulted in a snoozer.
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Imagine being a Cincinnati fan. Mick Cronin delivered 9 straight tourney appearances, all but one of them with single digit seeds, and you get 1 Sweet 16 (in the second one) and then 7 straight years of first weekend exits. Cronin leaves for UCLA and in 2 years he takes an 11 seed to the Final Four. March is funny like that.
F**k Cincinnati.
And their horrific chilli.
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Sheesh -14
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Imagine being a Cincinnati fan. Mick Cronin delivered 9 straight tourney appearances, all but one of them with single digit seeds, and you get 1 Sweet 16 (in the second one) and then 7 straight years of first weekend exits. Cronin leaves for UCLA and in 2 years he takes an 11 seed to the Final Four. March is funny like that.
Add UCLA to the 11 seed, First Four to Final Four list. In 12 seasons as a head coach, Shaka Smart has made the NCAA 2nd weekend once. It was his 4th place Colonial team, 11 seed, First Four to Final Four team.
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Even though I would have liked to go 4/4 on the FF, Michigan's loss guarantees that I'll finish in the money - I'll at least get my money back. If Houston beats Baylor, I'll win the office pool.
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Say what you want, and lets throw away ACU because the Zags also had Norfolk St. Kenpom rankings:
OK (42), CU (21), USC(6) = average 23
BYU (17), Bama (9), UM (4) = average 10
Baylor had the second hardest tournament slate (avg 14 throwing out the worst team).
Just going by all opponents kenpom average:
UCLA: 35
Baylor: 59
Gonzaga: 69
Houston: 73
Gonzaga also already beat the 2, 3, & 4 seeds in their region. Has any team beat their 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 seeds before? And 8 to go along with it? All by double digits?
No team has gone out of their way to challenge themselves more than this Gonzaga team. Tried to play preseason #2 Baylor & #3 Villanova as well. They've faced the largest point spread of the first, second, Sweet 16, & Elite 8 rounds & beaten the spread each time. They are also better per kenpom than any team in the metric's history.
To this point of the season, they are the GOAT of my lifetime. If they finish the season the way they've carried on so far, there really won't be any debating that.
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Gonzaga also already beat the 2, 3, & 4 seeds in their region. Has any team beat their 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 seeds before? And 8 to go along with it? All by double digits?
No team has gone out of their way to challenge themselves more than this Gonzaga team. Tried to play preseason #2 Baylor & #3 Villanova as well. They've faced the largest point spread of the first, second, Sweet 16, & Elite 8 rounds & beaten the spread each time. They are also better per kenpom than any team in the metric's history.
To this point of the season, they are the GOAT of my lifetime. If they finish the season the way they've carried on so far, there really won't be any debating that.
It's so hard to compare across eras, but yeah I think the only team that is going to be able to challenge them is Baylor and that's only if they play REALLY well.
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It's so hard to compare across eras, but yeah I think the only team that is going to be able to challenge them is Baylor and that's only if they play REALLY well.
I thought USC could give them real trouble and that thing was over faster than Willie turning on the Marquette head coach
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First time ever, no school east of the Mississippi River in the Final Four. Wow!
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If we had fired Wojo after Hausershima and wanted to hire Mick Cronin, I wonder what the Scoop reaction would have been.
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If we had fired Wojo after Hausershima and wanted to hire Mick Cronin, I wonder what the Scoop reaction would have been.
I would have been all for it but it wouldn't have happened. Cincinnatti isn't that far below MU and Cronin and Buzz are great friends.
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I thought USC could give them real trouble and that thing was over faster than Willie turning on the Marquette head coach
I was very surprised with how bad USC looked defensively. Because they're a pretty good defensive team. Now maybe the defenses of Baylor, Houston, or UCLA can turn Gonzaga over or get in their grill but the scary thing is I don't think Suggs has played particularly well. If it winds up being Gonzaga vs Baylor I think Baylor is going to have to be big from downtown. They're absolutely capable and have more overall perimeter quickness. However, I think it's going to take Gonzaga playing below they're top level and Baylor having a really good shooting night.
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I would have been all for it but it wouldn't have happened. Cincinnatti isn't that far below MU and Cronin and Buzz are great friends.
Exactly. Cronin helped Buzz get out of Dodge.
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If we had fired Wojo after Hausershima and wanted to hire Mick Cronin, I wonder what the Scoop reaction would have been.
Considering what Buzz had accomplished and Cronin being in a very similar mold I think most would’ve been very pleased. I know I would have. But the top choice had we moved on from Wojo then would’ve been Oates.
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Thanks for the answers on Cronin. Obviously, he's done a heck of a job. Overcame injuries to get his team in the tournament, and has kicked butt in it. Brought lots of good teams into Big East battles with Marquette way back when, too.
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Elite 8 on Monday/Tuesday... not great for TV ratings
Monday 3/29:
Arkansas/Baylor (9:03, CBS): 6.447M
Oregon State/Houston (6:15), CBS): 5.922M
Tuesday 3/30:
UCLA/Michigan (9:00, TBS): 6.886M
USC/Gonzaga (6:15), TBS): 5.399M
2019 Ratings
Michigan State/Duke (Sunday 4:05, CBS): 16.197M
Auburn/Kentucky (Sunday 1:20, CBS): 10.493M
Purdue/Virginia (Saturday 7:45, TBS): 10.486M
Texas Tech/Gonzaga (Saturday 5:05, TBS): 7.722M
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Elite 8 on Monday/Tuesday... not great for TV ratings
Monday 3/29:
Arkansas/Baylor (9:03, CBS): 6.447M
Oregon State/Houston (6:15), CBS): 5.922M
Tuesday 3/30:
UCLA/Michigan (9:00, TBS): 6.886M
USC/Gonzaga (6:15), TBS): 5.399M
2019 Ratings
Michigan State/Duke (Sunday 4:05, CBS): 16.197M
Auburn/Kentucky (Sunday 1:20, CBS): 10.493M
Purdue/Virginia (Saturday 7:45, TBS): 10.486M
Texas Tech/Gonzaga (Saturday 5:05, TBS): 7.722M
Likely had more to do with the day of week than anything else.
The Sweet 16 games had their highest ratings since 1993.
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Likely had more to do with the day of week than anything else.
The Sweet 16 games had their highest ratings since 1993.
there are no plans to stick with this year's schedule, but moving forward the Sweet 16 games will be one at a time. I enjoyed the full day of hoops for a second weekend.
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For those of us who are a certain age ...
How about UCLA being the 13.5-point underdog darlings and a WCC team being talked about in “greatest ever” terms?
Where have you gone, Swen Nater?
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there are no plans to stick with this year's schedule, but moving forward the Sweet 16 games will be one at a time. I enjoyed the full day of hoops for a second weekend.
Sweet 16 will be back to Thursday/Friday. They will not be one game at a time.
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For those of us who are a certain age ...
How about UCLA being the 13.5-point underdog darlings and a WCC team being talked about in “greatest ever” terms?
Where have you gone, Swen Nater?
That's because the media and fans consider "ever" to be within the last 10 years, at most.
This GU team is very good, but 1984 Gtown, 1990 UNLV, 1999 UConn, 2000 Michigan State, 2001 Duke, 1996 Kentucky, 2005 UNC (and probably Illinois) 1991 and 1992 Duke teams, off of the top of my head, would handle them with relatively ease (I can't speak for the 70's teams since I'm only in my 40's).
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That's because the media and fans consider "ever" to be within the last 10 years, at most.
This GU team is very good, but 1984 Gtown, 1990 UNLV, 1999 UConn, 2000 Michigan State, 2001 Duke, 1996 Kentucky, 2005 UNC (and probably Illinois) 1991 and 1992 Duke teams, off of the top of my head, would handle them with relatively ease (I can't speak for the 70's teams since I'm only in my 40's).
Maybe, but that’s the beauty or curse of these arguments. Lot of those teams were veteran teams, something we see less and less of.
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That's because the media and fans consider "ever" to be within the last 10 years, at most.
This GU team is very good, but 1984 Gtown, 1990 UNLV, 1999 UConn, 2000 Michigan State, 2001 Duke, 1996 Kentucky, 2005 UNC (and probably Illinois) 1991 and 1992 Duke teams, off of the top of my head, would handle them with relatively ease (I can't speak for the 70's teams since I'm only in my 40's).
I don’t think the Zags are the best ever, but maybe I’m as guilty of old-guy bias as the kiddos are of recency bias.
Most of the UCLA champs were stocked with superstars, as was 76 Indiana, as were K’s best teams, as was AD’s Kentucky team, etc.
Whether those teams would beat the Zags, let alone “with ease,” we’ll never know.
Right now, we don’t know if these Zags will even win this year’s title.
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Who is officiating?
Which era's rules? Shot clock, 3 pt line, etc.
What is a foul?
What is a charge/block?
How about, if Gonzaga runs the table, we simply put them among the greats, instead of arguing which team is actually the greatest.
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That's because the media and fans consider "ever" to be within the last 10 years, at most.
This GU team is very good, but 1984 Gtown, 1990 UNLV, 1999 UConn, 2000 Michigan State, 2001 Duke, 1996 Kentucky, 2005 UNC (and probably Illinois) 1991 and 1992 Duke teams, off of the top of my head, would handle them with relatively ease (I can't speak for the 70's teams since I'm only in my 40's).
It's laughable to think any pre-2000s team could play with the best teams today. Nostalgia is fun, but the level of skill, strength, and conditioning from the top to the bottom of today's rosters is unrivaled. Gonzaga would walk them easier than they did USC.
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For those of us who are a certain age ...
How about UCLA being the 13.5-point underdog darlings and a WCC team being talked about in “greatest ever” terms?
Where have you gone, Swen Nater?
Yeah, NBA player who could barely get off the bench in college.
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there are no plans to stick with this year's schedule, but moving forward the Sweet 16 games will be one at a time. I enjoyed the full day of hoops for a second weekend.
Umm...impossible for what you just said to be correct.
The only way to do the 1 game at a time thing again would be to keep this schedule and have the Sweet 16 on the weekend.
They are not starting Sweet 16 games at 1:10 pm central time on Thursdays.
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Yeah, NBA player who could barely get off the bench in college.
I was trying to think of an obscure UCLAn and his was the first name that popped into my head.
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Yeah, NBA player who could barely get off the bench in college.
JUCO AA who was the back up center at UCLA to Bill Walton. Nobody who followed basketball back then was surprised he found a spot in the NBA.
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JUCO AA who was the back up center at UCLA to Bill Walton. Nobody who followed basketball back then was surprised he found a spot in the NBA.
Totally agree. My point was that UCLA was so dominant that a legit NBA prospect would sign on, even though he knew he was gonna get limited minutes.
No way a legit prospect signs on to be a full-time backup anywhere today.
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Totally agree. My point was that UCLA was so dominant that a legit NBA prospect would sign on, even though he knew he was gonna get limited minutes.
No way a legit prospect signs on to be a full-time backup anywhere today.
I'd argue there are a few potential NBA guys on Gonzaga's bench. When they put in their garbage time unit against USC it consisted of three top 75 recruits and a top international guy. And I doubt they thought they'd be getting big minutes this season.
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Long way too go still. But Baylor looking like they may cook Houston
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Oooops. Was posting on the wrong thread. Baylor looks really good early.
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Oooops. Was posting on the wrong thread. Baylor looks really good early.
If Baylor loses I pretty much win our Bracket Pool but Baylor looks good. Other than Gonzaga has there been a Basketball Non Power 6 Team in the Championship game recently
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If Baylor loses I pretty much win our Bracket Pool but Baylor looks good. Other than Gonzaga has there been a Basketball Non Power 6 Team in the Championship game recently
I just don't think Houston can score enough. Baylor is a nightmare when they are hitting threes and they have five guys that can.
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If Baylor loses I pretty much win our Bracket Pool but Baylor looks good. Other than Gonzaga has there been a Basketball Non Power 6 Team in the Championship game recently
UConn won it in 2014 out of the American.
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Sasser doing everything he can to try and keep it close until the rest of the team obtains a pulse.
But Baylor keeps scoring on the other end.
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Butler hasn't been shooting well in the tournament. He looks locked in today. Uh-Oh. If it is Gonzaga/Baylor it should be a barn burner.
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Houston running the weave, to no effect, until there's 5 left in the shot clock... Reminiscent of Wojo
And honestly, reminiscent of how Crean ran with the Three Amigos
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Yeah ... gonna have 2 blowouts tonight.
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Houston running the weave, to no effect, until there's 5 left in the shot clock... Reminiscent of Wojo
The weave and heave generally has minimal success.
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Grimes and Jarreau are not playing the best for Houston. Some times when Houston shoots a non 3 it seems Baylor is putting a hard hand push on the hip of Houston Shooters. It is working 2 points in the paint for Houston in the entire first half.
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Both these games are going to be TKO’s in the 20 point blowout neighborhood.
All the sportsbook Gonzaga/Baylor to win promos are going to be easy cash.
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Houston looks done. Grimes has been a no show so far.
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Anyone annoyed with the weird camera angles and the constant zooming in and out?
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nm
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Anyone annoyed with the weird camera angles and the constant zooming in and out?
Yes. Awful and inexplicable.
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Feels like MU/Kansas.
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Baylor is simply the better team as is.
MIx in the fact they are playing their best offensive half of the tourney and Houston can't make anything at all. Its bound to be a bloodbath.
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That was a an A+ 1st half for Baylor. It's making me think a little more about the potential Gonzaga/Baylor match-up. If both Mitchell and Butler are drilling triples off the bounce look out. Suggs is a stud but still a Freshman.
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Sasser has 17 points; rest of Houston's team has 3. Gonna go out on a limb and say that's not a good recipe for success.
Either Raf's mic is turned down too low or he's not close enough to it (or he talks too slowly). Hill and Nantz also aren't quite loud enough, but not nearly as bad as Raf.
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Feels like MU/Kansas.
wife walked into the room and asked if it was 2003
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Feels like MU/Kansas.
Yes it does. At halftime Ben Howland asked me where I thought Crean would be next year. Howland was leaving PITT for UCLA. I told Howland at Marquette Marquette loves Crean.
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Wow, Mitchell is some player. Plays bigger than 6-2, has an NBA body, speed to burn, good passer, great defender. And when he hits his shot ... wow.
Reminds me a lot of another Mitchell - Donovan.
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Wow, Mitchell is some player. Plays bigger than 6-2, has an NBA body, speed to burn, good passer, great defender. And when he hits his shot ... wow.
Reminds me a lot of another Mitchell - Donovan.
Similar elevation? Good comparison on the speed and jumper. Baylor hasn't played this well since before the COVID suspension.
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I hope they play this well Monday against the Zags. That would be some game if they do.
I'm kind of rooting for Gonzaga to go unbeaten, but I want them to have to earn it in an instant classic.
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Gonzaga first half team total over 39 at -110.
I mean this number is ridiculous. In 30 games this year, Gonzaga has scored 40 or more points 27 times.
I know UCLA is going to try to control tempo and held Alabama to 29 first half points, but I would have had this at least at 40.5. I look for value spots when gambling and this sure looks like one.
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They first have to get by UCLA but Baylor's quickness would concern me if I was Gonzaga. On the other hand Baylor doesn't have a big that can guard Timme? The thing is while Gonzaga can d-up, Baylor can get open threes.
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I have no interest in seeing Gonzaga win.
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I have no interest in seeing Gonzaga win.
I would rather see a fellow Jesuit school win.
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I have no interest in seeing Gonzaga win.
Of the teams that are left, the one I'd most like to see win is UCLA. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Assuming it's Baylor-Gonzaga, I'm just hoping for a close game that has a great finish. I don't really care who wins.
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I have no interest in seeing Gonzaga win.
It's been 45 years since a team ran the table. I'm all about being able to watch history & what would be the best case for "best of all time" arguments in generations.
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Miley Cyrus....eesh....
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Im cheering for not Baylor at this point.
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Miley Cyrus....eesh....
Ick. All bad covers. Or rather, all covers done poorly.
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Miley Cyrus....eesh....
Agreed. She is looking more butch every day. Hitler style storm trooper pants and tats all over. She has gone a long way from Mickey Mouse.
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Cruise ship singer. Remember them?
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It's been 45 years since a team ran the table. I'm all about being able to watch history & what would be the best case for "best of all time" arguments in generations.
IIRC, 1976 was the last time both Kentucky and Duke missed the tournament. Perhaps a good one for Gonzaga.
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Could Bill Walton do some voodoo stuff to help his Bruins? I just can't can't see Gonzaga losing.
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I am always about what is the best outcome for MU. In this case, MU played UCLA well on the road, so I hope UCLA beats Gonzaga and goes on to win it all. We would then have the defending National Champion coming into Fiserv This December.
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Agreed. She is looking more butch every day. Hitler style storm trooper pants and tats all over. She has gone a long way from Mickey Mouse.
Matt Gaetz likes them young, too
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Miley Cyrus....eesh....
100% guaranteed that if her last name wasn't Cyrus she'd be working a McDonald's drive through somewhere. In high school we had at least a dozen musicians that had at least twice her talent. Our annual school music concert had better covers in it.
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Darn. I thought maybe they could delay the start of this game another hour or two.
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What on earth is going on with their camera angles? Freaking bizarre.
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Solid start for UCLA. Timme is annoying but should be getting more touches.
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Michigan State was favored over Indiana State in 1979 right? At least that’s my recollection.
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UCLA playing very hard and also efficiently. Maybe we’ll get a great game after all.
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I did not know that Campbell had committed to DePaul first.
Talk about a brilliant decision ultimately!
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Also offered by MU. Game of inches, hey?
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Michigan State was favored over Indiana State in 1979 right? At least that’s my recollection.
Yep.
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Careless turn there by UCLA. Right now they are outplaying Gonzaga.
I have to admit while I'm rooting for Gonzaga, Timme makes it extremely difficult.
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Nice to see a team not only flawlessly break a press but then aggressively go to score.
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Zags are getting some friendly whistles.
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Would this be the biggest upset in F4 history? Obviously there's a long way to go but so far UCLA has controlled the game. And they may have the best player not only on the floor but in tbe entire tournament.
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Would this be the biggest upset in F4 history? Obviously there's a long way to go but so far UCLA has controlled the game. And they may have the best player not only on the floor but in tbe entire tournament.
Easily.
No team seeded 11th or worse has ever won a final four game. The fact that it would be against a team that is shooting for an undefeated season would make it even more notable.
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That was a heck of a half. Pretty strong close by Kispert and the Zags.
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I don't think UCLA can score at that pace in the 2nd half. But I know Gonzaga can.
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Gonzaga first half team total over 39 at -110.
I mean this number is ridiculous. In 30 games this year, Gonzaga has scored 40 or more points 27 times.
I know UCLA is going to try to control tempo and held Alabama to 29 first half points, but I would have had this at least at 40.5. I look for value spots when gambling and this sure looks like one.
This has been an incredibly profitable couple of weeks.
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Would this be the biggest upset in F4 history? Obviously there's a long way to go but so far UCLA has controlled the game. And they may have the best player not only on the floor but in tbe entire tournament.
Nah. Georgetown was considered invincible in 1985, and Nova was bupkis. It took an almost perfect game for Nova to win.
I’m enjoying this game immensely though. If you’d have told me there’d be 89 points in the first half, I’d have though the Zags would be up 25. UCLA is playing great.
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I don't think UCLA can score at that pace in the 2nd half. But I know Gonzaga can.
That's what I was thinking but Gonzaga's D hasn't been impressive.
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great game! about time someone gave gonzaga some competition
seriously though...why do they even have masks? on/off, scratching, picking, nose level, off, grabbing, shifting mask, touching players...they are doing more harm than good. just take them off already
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great game! about time someone gave gonzaga some competition
seriously though...why do they even have masks? on/off, scratching, picking, nose level, off, grabbing, shifting mask, touching players...they are doing more harm than good. just take them off already
Can you ever just stop with your Newsmax inspired bullcrap?
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Is Juzang a long-term NBA player?
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Is Juzang a long-term NBA player?
Sure looks the part
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Is Juzang a long-term NBA player?
Yes. If you can score like that...
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Nah. Georgetown was considered invincible in 1985, and Nova was bupkis. It took an almost perfect game for Nova to win.
FWIW looks like Georgetown was -8 in that game. Gonzaga is -14 tonight.
https://www.boydsbets.com/final-four-betting-history/
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Yes. If you can score like that...
I haven't seen him very high in the mocks. He's been the best offensive player in the tournament and has good size.
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UCLA is right there. You would think they have the advantage if this is tight late.
Are there 3 or 4 indoor blimps roaming around with cameras? Smh.
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FWIW looks like Georgetown was -8 in that game. Gonzaga is -14 tonight.
https://www.boydsbets.com/final-four-betting-history/
Yeah. That was a huge upset, but this would be bigger.
Nova played Georgetown twice in the regular season, and lost by only 2 and 7 points. They also played St. John’s twice, and lost by only 2 and 5.
Georgetown and St. John’s were the two best teams that year, but Nova was not nearly as far behind as people seem to remember.
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Wow. Huge call on the hook and hold.
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I don’t have skin in this game, but the officials sure are giving the Zags favorable whistles.
Danger time for UCLA
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Duke beating UNLV in 1991 was a historic upset.
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I don’t have skin in this game, but the officials sure are giving the Zags favorable whistles.
Danger time for UCLA
Agree. Gonzaga should not need any help to win this game, but they are getting it anyway.
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I agree that Gonzaga has gotten the better whistle.
But apparently the reincarnation of Bob Marley doesn't care. Huge triple.
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Good thing Campbell has such a huge head of hair. He hit the floor pretty hard on that last foul, but he had plenty of cushion.
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FWIW looks like Georgetown was -8 in that game. Gonzaga is -14 tonight.
https://www.boydsbets.com/final-four-betting-history/
That doesn’t affect my view on this, brew.
Many sports historians consider that one of the five biggest upsets in the history of sports, right up there with Douglas over Tyson, the US hockey team over Russia, etc.
The Zags have no Ewing equivalent.
Others obviously are free to think otherwise.
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That doesn’t affect my view on this, brew.
Many sports historians consider that one of the five biggest upsets in the history of sports, right up there with Douglas over Tyson, the US hockey team over Russia, etc.
The Zags have no Ewing equivalent.
Others obviously are free to think otherwise.
Ah gotta love “sports writer over-romanticism.”
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Ah gotta love “sports writer over-romanticism.”
Ok
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Zags look a little bit slow on defense..... solid defense and they would be blowing UCLA out . But uncle is making good shots
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Did Gtown blow out Nova during the season before the '85 title?
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Maybe Fluffster means selective memory, hey?
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Juzang and Campbell have been phenomenal. I like UCLA"s position.
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That doesn’t affect my view on this, brew.
Many sports historians consider that one of the five biggest upsets in the history of sports, right up there with Douglas over Tyson, the US hockey team over Russia, etc.
The Zags have no Ewing equivalent.
Others obviously are free to think otherwise.
I will amplify Mr. 82 point of view.
Ewing and Georgetown were widely expected to romp over Nova and Coach Massimino.
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Watt position ar da Bruins inn, hey?
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Maybe Fluffster means selective memory, hey?
Villanova over Georgetown was a huge upset. This would be objectively greater.
Sports writers tend to over romanticize the past. Not surprised that MU82 is doing the same.
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After watching UCLA Tues night I thought Gonzags would roll them. Boy was I off.
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After watching UCLA Tues night I thought Gonzags would roll them. Boy was I off.
Cronin is a top 5 coach in CBB. This run cements that.
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Cronin is a top 5 coach in CBB. This run cements that.
What?
No it doesn’t.
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That was an offensive foul on Ayayi.
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Cronin is a top 5 coach in CBB. This run cements that.
That’s pretty aggressive. This is only his second time in the second weekend.
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What?
No it doesn’t.
Who are you taking as a tactician over him right now?
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I don't get why Grant Hill is in the booth. Just sayin....
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Both teams have great hair. I think Tyger gives UCLA the overall hair edge.
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Eye tink Campbell's hairstylist is tits, hey?
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Not sure if Cronin is top five. But he is clearly very good. And UCLA should be thrilled that he ended up there.
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I don’t see why people keep overlooking the fact that Nova and Georgetown played two single–digit games doing the regular season that year. Georgetown was a heavy favorite, but the teams were not nearly as widely separated as some seem to recall.
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What in the world is Suggs thinking? The kis has gotten torched bu Juzang all game. That was flat out dumb.
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I don't get why Grant Hill is in the booth. Just sayin....
It’s so bad. That lead to commercial break was cringy
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I don’t see why people keep overlooking the fact that Nova and Georgetown played two single–digit games doing the regular season that year. Georgetown was a heavy favorite, but the teams were not nearly as widely separated as some seem to recall.
Yep.
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I don’t see why people keep overlooking the fact that Nova and Georgetown played two single–digit games doing the regular season that year. Georgetown was a heavy favorite, but the teams were not nearly as widely separated as some seem to recall.
Ty Goooo. That's why I asked the question.
On another note you might want to lock your doors and be aware of your surroundings. I may have been wrong about Walrus vindictiveness. :)
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Who are you taking as a tactician over him right now?
That is different than being a top 5 CBB coach.
He’s 11-11 overall in the NCAA Tournament, including this run. He’s made 2 Sweet 16s in his career, including this run. And this run comes when they probably should’ve been knocked out in a play in game.
I’m not sure he was even one of the 5 best CBB coaches in the Elite 8 this year.
I mean, with absolutely no doubt in my mind he’s not better than K, Cal, Few, Wright, Bennett, Boeheim, Pitino, Izzo, Huggins, Sampson.
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Great flurry by Suggs after the defensive lapse. Tremendous finish to this one.
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UCLA got screwed on that play.
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Drew Timme is so dislikable
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Regardless of the outcome tonight, Cronin and UCLA deserve huge props for playing an incredible game at the right time.
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WWWD*
What Would Woj Do' hey?
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Campbell being a DePaul commit makes this all the more amusing
That is different than being a top 5 CBB coach.
He’s 11-11 overall in the NCAA Tournament, including this run. He’s made 2 Sweet 16s in his career, including this run. And this run comes when they probably should’ve been knocked out in a play in game.
I’m not sure he was even one of the 5 best CBB coaches in the Elite 8 this year.
It’s a hell of a run but you could argue it was a terrible coaching job to even be as close to missing the tourney as they were with the talent they have. Campbell, Jacquez, and Juzang are all REALLY damn good
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Best play of the sequence was Suggs block and we get to see lame ass Timme feel his mustache.
Edit: glad they showed it on the rejoin
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Wow. Not sure about that call.
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UCLA got screwed on that play.
On the blocked dunk? Maybe.
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Clearly a charge. What a game...thought Zags would win easy, way off here.
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Great play by Timme ... and tremendous, gutsy call by the ref.
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Duzant Timme annoy da chit outta you, hey?
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Great play by Timme ... and tremendous, gutsy call by the ref.
I thought Timme was moving forward and his right hand was out.
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Duzant Timme annoy da chit outta you, hey?
Hey
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Duzant Timme annoy da chit outta you, hey?
Yup, just get that feeling that he’s a complete jagoff.
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Timme is going to somehow end up playing in the NBA for a decade or more
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Wow. Not sure about that call.
Yep.
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Wow....crazy sequence. Heck of a game.
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We need one of that kind, doe, aina?
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Timme is going to somehow end up playing in the NBA for a decade or more
Why? His game is rather retro.
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It certainly wasn't a block. Charge or no call.
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Did Suggs get smacked in the Johnson?
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Singin' soprano now, hey?
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Huge shot by Jaquez.
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UCLA has that look like they just crapped themselves, hey?
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I don’t see why people keep overlooking the fact that Nova and Georgetown played two single–digit games doing the regular season that year. Georgetown was a heavy favorite, but the teams were not nearly as widely separated as some seem to recall.
Reasonable point.
Maybe for the same reason people keep overlooking the fact that Gonzaga hasn’t had to play anybody of note for months.
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Omg!!!!!
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HOLY SHYTE!!
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Wow! Instant classic.
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Omg!!!!! It's good.
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Kiss my ass. crap. 8-)
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Christian Laettner, meet Jalen Suggs
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Wow! Instant classic.
+1000
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Hope Baylor unnatural carnal knowledgeing smokes them
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Crazy ending.
UCLA gave it everything they had, and Suggs said I got this.
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Had to be Suggs. What an absolute stud that kid is
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Gotta call glass on that, don’t you?
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Hope Baylor unnatural carnal knowledgeing smokes them
I don’t get the hate. They are fun.
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For those that missed it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1378545877099311108
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I don’t get the hate. They are fun.
Just one of those teams I’ve never liked for no particular reason.
Also we’ll never hear the end it if they go undefeated.
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I don’t get the hate. They are fun.
It is the douche bag factor from Timme that is bringing that out
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I know recency bias...but that may have been the best start to finish college basketball game I’ve ever seen.
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The title will be very compelling.
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Just one of those teams I’ve never liked for no particular reason.
Also we’ll never hear the end it if they go undefeated.
But why is that a bad thing? They’ve been a machine all year. It’s not like they got lucky and eeked out a couple of joke wins or got luckbox bounces.
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It wasn’t a total heave. Suggs pulled up and took a leaning jump shot. That, and the blocked-dunk-bounce-pass ... wow!
Best game of the season IMHO. Can’t remember a better one in recent years, really.
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It is the douche bag factor from Timme that is bringing that out
Yeah. I don’t care about that. One bit.
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Hats off to UCLA, they played their asses off, damn near perfect game by the Bruins.
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Just one of those teams I’ve never liked for no particular reason.
Also we’ll never hear the end it if they go undefeated.
Ready to hear someone other than IU brag about this.
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I truly was a great basketball game. Probably the best tournament game since MU/Butler 2013.
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I love the way Jaquez plays for UCLA. An old school hard nosed player. I don't know if he has pro potential, but he sure is an effective college level player.
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I think Baylor gets 'em Monday.
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I love the way Jaquez plays for UCLA. An old school hard nosed player. I don't know if he has pro potential, but he sure is an effective college level player.
Agreed. Love that guy. We need a player with his overall skill-set and grit.
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I think Baylor gets 'em Monday.
I was actually thinking the opposite. I think tonight‘s game scared Gonzaga enough that they come out locked and loaded on Monday.
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I love the way Jaquez plays for UCLA. An old school hard nosed player. I don't know if he has pro potential, but he sure is an effective college level player.
I agree. Just a joy to watch.
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I was actually thinking the opposite. I think tonight‘s game scared Gonzaga enough that they come out locked and loaded on Monday.
Baylor is capable of going off from distance. On the other hand they probably don't have an answer for Timmie.
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I truly was a great basketball game. Probably the best tournament game since MU/Butler 2013.
Haha come on. There have been plenty of NCAA Tournament games that have been better than MU/Butler 2013.
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Yeah ... gonna have 2 blowouts tonight.
;D
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Both Baylor and the Zags want to run. I think Gonzaga is better in that environment. But we will see. Hopefully a classic.
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I was actually thinking the opposite. I think tonight‘s game scared Gonzaga enough that they come out locked and loaded on Monday.
I agree. I had the same thought.
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Haha come on. There have been plenty of NCAA Tournament games that have been better than MU/Butler 2013.
Just a little joke....but that was a classic. :)
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Were we really close on Suggs?
If so, what an intelligent kid to avoid Wojo and wind up playing for an NC.
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I truly was a great basketball game. Probably the best tournament game since MU/Butler 2013.
The one that pops in my head was Nova beating UNC in the 2016 championship game after Paige tied it and then Jenkins won it at the buzzer.
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Timme gets away with taunting a ton. And that Suggs block was a foul - he got all hand on that one.
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Timme gets away with taunting a ton. And that Suggs block was a foul - he got all hand on that one.
🙄🙄🙄
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I was actually thinking the opposite. I think tonight‘s game scared Gonzaga enough that they come out locked and loaded on Monday.
How’d that field bet work out for you, Gooo?
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The one that pops in my head was Nova beating UNC in the 2016 championship game after Paige tied it and then Jenkins won it at the buzzer.
I was thinking the Florida over Whisky game a few years ago. You know the Chiozza play where he zoomed by Nigel Hayes and some ghost took out Trice. The fact that it happened after Shoewalter's antics made the game even more enjoyable.
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Both Baylor and the Zags want to run. I think Gonzaga is better in that environment. But we will see. Hopefully a classic.
True but Baylor could be better defensively?
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I’d fire Cronin
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Reasonable point.
Maybe for the same reason people keep overlooking the fact that Gonzaga hasn’t had to play anybody of note for months.
They played everyone they possibly could all season. Tried to play Baylor twice. Tried to schedule Villanova in the middle of conference play. This is only the second team that's stayed within single digits of them.
So if you look at the preseason rankings, they tried to play 2 & 3. They beat 4, 5, & 6 by double digits. Also scheduled & beat 15. What more are they supposed to do?
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How’d that field bet work out for you, Gooo?
Win some, lose some. Lost that one. ;)
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They played everyone they possibly could all season. Tried to play Baylor twice. Tried to schedule Villanova in the middle of conference play. This is only the second team that's stayed within single digits of them.
So if you look at the preseason rankings, they tried to play 2 & 3. They beat 4, 5, & 6 by double digits. Also scheduled & beat 15. What more are they supposed to do?
The arguments against Gonzaga’s worth are old and tired. What they’ve accomplished in the last 20 plus years is amazing. Non-power conference team with a limited budget and limited local talent winning big like they are is simply amazing.
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Unbelievable game! An all-timer, reminiscent of the 1992 East Regional Final between Duke and Kentucky.
I can still remember watching Laettner hit the game winner, and I'll probably have similar memories of Suggs hitting his. A historic sports moment.
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Maybe the greatest college basketball game I’ve ever seen. Hate that one of those teams had to end their season right there. I think Gonzaga beats Baylor by 8 or so. If Baylor is cold at all they’re in big trouble. They’re not as well coached and not as disciplined as UCLA. Hope I’m wrong. Timme needs to lose
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I was actually thinking the opposite. I think tonight‘s game scared Gonzaga enough that they come out locked and loaded on Monday.
I'm not sure Baylor's defense is well equipped to handle Gonzaga. They shut down the three but Gonzaga just does so much damage inside. Should be a good game, but I think Baylor needs to be hot from three to keep up, though if any team can do that, it's the Bears.
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The arguments against Gonzaga’s worth are old and tired. What they’ve accomplished in the last 20 plus years is amazing. Non-power conference team with a limited budget and limited local talent winning big like they are is simply amazing.
Yup. And the talent level is legit. Suggs is usually the best player on the floor, even without the raw numbers. Him and Kispert are potential lottery picks. Ayayi & Timme will play in the league. Nembhard was a two-year starter for Florida. They beat single digit seeds from the ACC, Big 10, Big East, & Pac-12 by double digits. They'd be good no matter where they played.
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The arguments against Gonzaga’s worth are old and tired. What they’ve accomplished in the last 20 plus years is amazing. Non-power conference team with a limited budget and limited local talent winning big like they are is simply amazing.
It’s funny. We all talk about the glory years with Al. Well, we were the 70’s version of Gonzaga. Fairly easy schedule every year and always came up short until we finally won.
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They played everyone they possibly could all season. Tried to play Baylor twice. Tried to schedule Villanova in the middle of conference play. This is only the second team that's stayed within single digits of them.
So if you look at the preseason rankings, they tried to play 2 & 3. They beat 4, 5, & 6 by double digits. Also scheduled & beat 15. What more are they supposed to do?
I hear ya. It’s not their “fault.” But it’s still a fact that by far the best 2 teams they had played since Dec. 28 were Creighton and USC, and those were just last week.
Meanwhile, in 1984-85, Georgetown had to go through the crucible that was Big East basketball.
While the WCC was the WCC - Gonzaga and Who Cares - that Big East had 2 No. 1 seeds and a bunch of other real good teams. Georgetown waged war at least once a week. And they came out of it as the nation’s dominant team, with a generational talent in Ewing.
Look, I like Gonzaga. Real good team. I want them to go unbeaten. I like Few and want him to win.
But the Zags have been on cruise control most of the season. I think it’s a testament to them that they were able to respond tonight when challenged.
I look forward to Monday. Baylor’s real good.
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Old sportswriters gonna over romanticize. It’s what they do.
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I was rooting for Gonzaga and will root for them Monday. But now that I have watched the replay on the blocked dunk and the charge I believe they were incorrect calls. On the Timme charge play his right shoulder and body was moving forward into Juzang. Can that be looked at on video?
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Unbelievable game! An all-timer, reminiscent of the 1992 East Regional Final between Duke and Kentucky.
I can still remember watching Laettner hit the game winner, and I'll probably have similar memories of Suggs hitting his. A historic sports moment.
I immediately thought of Laettner, but then realized we had a buzzer beater for the title just a few years ago: Jenkins beating UNC. That game gets forgotten.
This is #2 for an overall best tourney game behind UK/Duke that I have seen.
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I was rooting for Gonzaga and will root for them Monday. But now that I have watched the replay on the blocked dunk and the charge I believe they were incorrect calls. On the Timme charge play his right shoulder and body was moving forward into Juzang. Can that be looked at on video?
I don’t think so. Only to determine if the defender was outside of the arc.
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But now that I have watched the replay on the blocked dunk and the charge I believe they were incorrect calls. On the Timme charge play his right shoulder and body was moving forward into Juzang. Can that be looked at on video?
Totally agree on the blocked dunk. Suggs got him across the arm.
I thought the charge call was good though.
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But the Zags have been on cruise control most of the season. I think it’s a testament to them that they were able to respond tonight when challenged.
Again, I disagree. While I acknowledge that BYU was the only other tourney worthy team there, teams on cruise control can slip up or have close calls. These are still D1 athletes. St Mary's & San Francisco & LMU & Pepperdine are still top-100 teams. And the Zags beat them all by double digits every time out regardless of venue.
Maybe that's cruise control, but if so, it's just one more reason that with a win Monday this will be the greatest team in NCAA history. Because even on cruise control, no one touched them.
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Totally agree on the blocked dunk. Suggs got him across the arm.
I thought the charge call was good though.
Agree on both.
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I don’t think so. Only to determine if the defender was outside of the arc.
Okay. The NBA allows a challenge to a foul call under 2 mins I believe. Maybe college will look at that although that was a close one.
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Five different calls of the game here, including Russian and Spanish.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1378549676681662466
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Five different calls of the game here, including Russian and Spanish.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1378549676681662466
On the Spanish language one, I was waiting for “gooooooooooooooooooooal!”
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Five different calls of the game here, including Russian and Spanish.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1378549676681662466
W-1 Spanish #1
W-1 English #2
ESPN 5th.
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The Gonzaga radio call, with color man...Adam Morrison:
https://twitter.com/briannnnf/status/1378553798411628545?s=21
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It’s funny. We all talk about the glory years with Al. Well, we were the 70’s version of Gonzaga. Fairly easy schedule every year and always came up short until we finally won.
Jockey
Definitely some legit parallels between the Zags under Few and MU from 1969-78. Think we were slightly more dominant - we finished Top 10 each of those 10 years and were the #2 program in the nation behind UCLA - but it’s close.
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Totally agree on the blocked dunk. Suggs got him across the arm.
I thought the charge call was good though.
I think both were tough calls against UCLA, but I think it was good the charge was called since it would have been a shame if free throws decided such a good game. If there were 7 seconds left, I think the ref calls a block there.
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I think both were tough calls against UCLA, but I think it was good the charge was called since it would have been a shame if free throws decided such a good game. If there were 7 seconds left, I think the ref calls a block there.
The Suggs non-call was a 4 point swing in the game. Not a single replay shows Suggs getting any part of the ball - he only gets the hand of the UCLA player.
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Hope Baylor unnatural carnal knowledgeing smokes them
There's no program more wretched than Baylor. The absolute worst of college sports. I hope Gonzaga does to them what Kansas did to us in 2003.
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There's no program more wretched than Baylor. The absolute worst of college sports. I hope Gonzaga does to them what Kansas did to us in 2003.
Drew is known by other coaches as “The Dirty Preacher.” Bible in one hand cash in the other.
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Maybe the greatest college basketball game I’ve ever seen. Hate that one of those teams had to end their season right there. I think Gonzaga beats Baylor by 8 or so. If Baylor is cold at all they’re in big trouble. They’re not as well coached and not as disciplined as UCLA. Hope I’m wrong. Timme needs to lose
Tired of hearing about great shots and totally ignoring Lees pass to Whitehead and Jerome tossing it in the semi final in77. We always heat about Laetners shot and shots like this but no recognition of Whiteheads, except maybe on Scoop. Chalk it up to recency bias.
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Suggs block was fine. They aren't going to call that unless it is clear. He hit the hand that was on the ball and not the arm.
The charge was fine too. Defender doesn't have to be completely still.
My point about this is that basketball refereeing is hard. Get the obvious calls right, hope you get the bang / bang ones right, and hope the ones you don't even out. A basketball ref is not going to call that block unless the defender hits the arm or gets a significant amount of body. And I would rather have the refs err on the side of letting them play rather than stop the action constantly.
I thought that was a well reffed game overall.
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I immediately thought of Laettner, but then realized we had a buzzer beater for the title just a few years ago: Jenkins beating UNC. That game gets forgotten.
This is #2 for an overall best tourney game behind UK/Duke that I have seen.
I forgot about the Nova vs UNC game. Probably because I didn't see it live. That is another great game with an iconic finish.
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I would agree that the Nova / UNC ending was better due to it being for the national championship, but the distance of Suggs's shot gives it some "upvotes" in my mind.
I would rank both over Duke / Kentucky...mostly because I didn't see that one live. ;)
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The Nova/UNC game wasn't nearly as good as last night imo. The final 5 mins were but until that point it wasn't a back and forth contest and nip and tuck the entire way. The shooting percentages last night were crazy high and the overall quality of play was better than Nova/UNC.
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I agree with that Muggs. During the pregame, the panel was talking about how UCLA was going to have to play a game in the 60s for them to be competitive. It was clear halfway through the first half that a score like that wasn't going to be necessary.
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The UCLA offense was incredible. Four players played their A game fior 40 min and Juzang and Campbell were basically perfect. You have to really feel for those kids because they couldn't have done more and executed flawlessly. It's a shame the stadium was empty but perhaps having no fans alleviated some of the pressure?
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https://twitter.com/bypatforde/status/1378698142221238276?s=21
That’s an amazing stat
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The UCLA offense was incredible. Four players played their A game fior 40 min and Juzang and Campbell were basically perfect. You have to really feel for those kids because they couldn't have done more and executed flawlessly. It's a shame the stadium was empty but perhaps having no fans alleviated some of the pressure?
Yep, it’s hard for a team to lose on a low percentage bank shot from 40 feet out in a game like that. Great for the Zags, but a real heartbreaker for the Bruins. Empty stadiums really have impacted the games one way or another. They feel more like scrimmages.
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There's no program more wretched than Baylor. The absolute worst of college sports. I hope Gonzaga does to them what Kansas did to us in 2003.
100% agreed. I told both my daughters I would pay for any college they picked except Baylor and Michigan State.
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A few observations after having seen countless replays and getting to sleep on it ...
1. Absolutely amazing game. Agree it was better than the UNC-Nova game, probably the Duke-Kentucky game or pretty much any other I can think of. This one was close the entire way. You could tell pretty early on that UCLA was gonna give the Zags the fight of their lives. Back and forth all night, lots of strategy, lots of incredible plays and moments. Both teams played very, very well most of the night. There weren't a lot of mistakes, either physical or mental. The coaching was sharp. There wasn't a parade of fouls and time-outs late in regulation or OT. This game deserved an incredible ending, and it got one. Although the Marquette fan in me has incredibly fond memories of the Rivers-half-court-vs-ND game, the Sam-ties-Creighton game and others, I can't objectively think of a game that was better, from beginning to end, than this one. That it was played on the biggest stage, with one team desperately hanging on to keep their unbeaten season and championship hopes alive, just amplifies it.
2. Refs have to call fouls in real time. They don't have the benefit of countless replays and angles. On the Suggs' block, the ref was in perfect position. In real time, it's a 50-50 call. I've watched the replay 25 times, and yes, zoomed in and in slo-mo, it looks like Suggs might have gotten Riley on the hand or arm, but on some angles it looks totally clean. Had a foul been called, I wouldn't be outraged at all, but I have absolutely no problem with the no-call there. That Suggs followed it up by chasing down the rebound and making that pass to Timme ... and a little while later with his winning shot. Incredible.
3. I loved the charge call. Timme was there well before Juzang got to him. Timme held his ground. Just putting the arm in front of his chest does not disqualify him being in the right position. Gene Steratore, who has no problem saying refs got a call wrong, strongly backed this call, and I agree with him. That the ref had the guts to make it in that situation, I give him a big thumbs-up. I mean, think of all the horrible charge/block calls we've seen - this sure as shyte wasn't one of 'em.
4. Timme cracks me up. I see why others don't like his act, but I think it's fun. As a human being, he might be a douche ... or he might be the greatest guy in the world ... or something in between those extremes. Not a single one of us knows.
5. If Gonzaga wins Monday, they will have had an incredible, incredible accomplishment. They will have beaten everybody on their schedule, mostly by decisive margins, and won their first title to cap the first undefeated season in nearly a half-century. They would deserve to be in a "greatest ever" conversation. They would not be my choice, however. I believe there have been quite a few other teams - some that went undefeated and some that lost a time or three - that were stocked with future NBA stars, that had to survive twice-a-week battles in great conferences, and that simply were better. But I do see why others would put the Zags No. 1, and I do like this team. As with most of this stuff, it's a matter of opinion.
6. Early on, I have seen Gonzaga as 5-point and 4.5-point favorites for the title game. I will be rooting for the Zags. Likeable team, the kind of coach I like to root for, chance to see history made. If Baylor is on, though, it is very easy to see them not just covering but winning.
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One thing that I am absolutely dumbfounded about are the camera angles during these games, let alone the Final Four. What exactly are these people doing? Can they not get closer to the floor and broadcast it like a normal basketball game that we have seen the past 30 yrs?
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Five different calls of the game here, including Russian and Spanish.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1378549676681662466
If Tony Romo had been in the booth with Jim Nantz for Jalen Suggs’ buzzer beater to win the game for Gonzaga against UCLA
https://twitter.com/frankcaliendo/status/1378557137002012673?s=21
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On the final play of OT, clock management there. 3.3 seconds left after the make, it’s important to stop ball to force side to side dribble or a pass and clock runs out. UCLA had no timeouts left to set up its defense if it wanted to do that.
Campbell was caught in the far right corner after the make. He had been guarding Suggs, with lots of switching on D. He was running without urgency diagonally back after the make. 3 UCLA players running sideways back immediately on defense giving way too much space with only 3.3 seconds left. There was only one Gonzaga player besides Suggs in the offensive end at the time of the shot. There was only one UCLA player back and turned around.
Unfortunate way to lose a game, but UCLA stopped playing with 3.3 seconds left after playing a great game. And, a lucky banked 35-40 footer got them.
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One thing that I am absolutely dumbfounded about are the camera angles during these games, let alone the Final Four. What exactly are these people doing? Can they not get closer to the floor and broadcast it like a normal basketball game that we have seen the past 30 yrs?
Yeah, hate those high long angles.
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On the final play of OT, clock management there. 3.3 seconds left after the make, it’s important to stop ball to force side to side dribble or a pass and clock runs out. UCLA had no timeouts left to set up its defense if it wanted to do that.
Campbell was caught in the far right corner after the make. He had been guarding Suggs, with lots of switching on D. He was running without urgency diagonally back after the make. 3 UCLA players running sideways back immediately on defense giving way too much space with only 3.3 seconds left. There was only one Gonzaga player besides Suggs in the offensive end at the time of the shot. There was only one UCLA player back and turned around.
Unfortunate way to lose a game, but UCLA stopped playing with 3.3 seconds left after playing a great game. And, a lucky banked 35-40 footer got them.
This was all part of why it was brilliant that Few didn't call a time-out. A lot of coaches would have.
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On the final play of OT, clock management there. 3.3 seconds left after the make, it’s important to stop ball to force side to side dribble or a pass and clock runs out. UCLA had no timeouts left to set up its defense if it wanted to do that.
Campbell was caught in the far right corner after the make. He had been guarding Suggs, with lots of switching on D. He was running without urgency diagonally back after the make. 3 UCLA players running sideways back immediately on defense giving way too much space with only 3.3 seconds left. There was only one Gonzaga player besides Suggs in the offensive end at the time of the shot. There was only one UCLA player back and turned around.
Unfortunate way to lose a game, but UCLA stopped playing with 3.3 seconds left after playing a great game. And, a lucky banked 35-40 footer got them.
Seriously? They stoped playing. Read Cronin's explanation of the sequence and you will understand why your statement is wrong.
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The UCLA offense was incredible. Four players played their A game fior 40 min and Juzang and Campbell were basically perfect. You have to really feel for those kids because they couldn't have done more and executed flawlessly. It's a shame the stadium was empty but perhaps having no fans alleviated some of the pressure?
Tells you how good Gonzaga is. 4 out of 5 UCLA players played the games of their lives and it still wasn't enough.
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One thing that I am absolutely dumbfounded about are the camera angles during these games, let alone the Final Four. What exactly are these people doing? Can they not get closer to the floor and broadcast it like a normal basketball game that we have seen the past 30 yrs?
Totally agree. A high-profile game like this should have better camera work and decision making in the production booth.
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Seriously? They stoped playing. Read Cronin's explanation of the sequence and you will understand why your statement is wrong.
Yes, seriously. It happens. It doesn't take away from their great game. They were ball watching and out of position on the last play.
Cronin said he trained his team to get back because of Gonzaga's transition offense. But, there were only 3.3 seconds left on the clock, and Suggs was allowed unguarded to go about 40 feet down floor because they weren't prepared/and weren't in position at the end. It would be different if there was more time left on the clock, get back first, then find your man etc...in the half court. With 3.3 seconds all it takes is any UCLA player stopping ball before half court even in a sagging defense to avoid a foul. You have to make Suggs pass, move side to side and OT is over because there would not be enough time left.
If you watch the play, Campbell, who otherwise had a good game, was ball watching and wasn't moving with urgency to move diagonally across the floor to guard his man and to stop ball.
3 other UCLA players were jumbled together turning around past mid court, instead of being spread out guarding someone with 3.3 seconds left. Gonzaga didn't have anyone of threat in the front court anyway.
Cronin put it on himself after the game for his players being out of position.
From 94 feet, Suggs was allowed to catch the ball on the run, dribble and shoot uncontested from 30-40 feet. It's a combination of not wanting to foul, thinking there is not enough time to get down the floor and get a shot off.
My first reaction was surprise at the cushion Suggs received with only 3.3 left. Suggs took advantage, running start, UCLA players out of position, and his desperation shot went in. But he had a pretty good look too.
Great game, and as Cronin said, he wasn't able to get his players to change their defense with 3.3 seconds left on the fly.
A little flashback to Tyus Edney here. 4.8 seconds off of a timeout. Didn't force pass or misdirection, and too much cushion from bigs to not foul.
https://youtu.be/NS8QCoYfzW8
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Agree with shoothoops.
I’m not gonna rip UCLA because they played an amazing game. But it’s hard to watch that last sequence without thinking they lost their focus at the worst time. Basketball 101 says “just stop the ball” in a last-second play like that.
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The most wild stat is that UCLA won all four factors and lost the game. That's virtually unheard of.
UCLA eFG%: 0.644
Gonzaga eFG%: 0.643
UCLA TO%: 11.7
Gonzaga TO%: 12.2
UCLA OReb%: 26.9
Gonzaga OReb%: 14.3
UCLA FT/FGA: 0.237
Gonzaga FT/FGA: 0.190
So what happened? Gonzaga basically had three extra possessions. They won the first half tip & had the last first half possession (+1), got the flagrant free throws & possession (+1), and won the overtime tip & had the last overtime possession (+1). So while the stats indicate a 74 possession game, it was more likely 76 for Gonzaga and 73 for UCLA.
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Agree with shoothoops.
I’m not gonna rip UCLA because they played an amazing game. But it’s hard to watch that last sequence without thinking they lost their focus at the worst time. Basketball 101 says “just stop the ball” in a last-second play like that.
You hate to bring it up after such a great game. But my first reaction is always stop ball, even with a no foul cushion, to force pass, side to side dribble, anything that eats time and forces thought with few seconds left.
Duke vs Kentucky, didn't guard in bounds, allowed catch for fear of foul, and defense was straight up no move statue.
If there is more time, you then either decide for everyone to get back in half court d right away, or press. But with little time, find a man full court, and first priority is stop ball.
In some situations it can become a football like prevent defense.
In this situation, the kids were coached repeatedly to get back get back get back on transition d vs a transition power such as Gonzaga. And, that makes sense. But that situation requires something different. It isn't easy in that situation, a lot going on etc...but it's something that can be coached in practice.
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Another thing about the last play, and what makes Gonzaga so hard to defend, is they look for transition attempts on opponent made baskets. Watch how fast they get the ball in and going back up the floor. As mentioned, UCLA knew that which is why everyone was getting back, but because of the focus on getting back, no one stopped the ball. It's also why a play like that and getting a good look is more natural for Gonzaga, because they're always attacking like that off makes.
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Gonzaga vs UCLA with some shades of 1992 Duke vs Kentucky, 47 assists on 71 makes.
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Agree with shoothoops.
I’m not gonna rip UCLA because they played an amazing game. But it’s hard to watch that last sequence without thinking they lost their focus at the worst time. Basketball 101 says “just stop the ball” in a last-second play like that.
That was my thought too. However, a coach friend mentioned how quickly GU inbounded the ball. UCLA didn’t have a chance to get into position.
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The most wild stat is that UCLA won all four factors and lost the game.
So what you're saying is that Gonzaga couldn't win a single factor against an 11-seed. And that's supposed to be the greatest team ever?
(Love, Teal-less in Carolina)
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So what you're saying is that Gonzaga couldn't win a single factor against an 11-seed. And that's supposed to be the greatest team ever?
(Love, Teal-less in Carolina)
If they win tomorrow, yup. And more accurately, I would say they are so good they don't need to win a single factor to win a game ;)
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UCLA made an ungodly amount of mid-range jumpers - especially compared to the current college game of 3s and drives.
Re: suggs' block - I always thought if your hand is on the ball and a defender hits your hand, it's considered "part of the ball". True? IMO, I thought suggs absolutely hit his hand
Re: end of game reffing - I hate comments like "let them play" or "don't let refs decide the outcome". If it's a foul in the first 10 seconds, it's a foul in the last 10. Don't want refs involved in end of game situations? Then don't commit a foul or infraction that requires their involvement
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That was my thought too. However, a coach friend mentioned how quickly GU inbounded the ball. UCLA didn’t have a chance to get into position.
General transition defense getting back, throughout the game, is a different type of defense as 94 feet with 3.3 seconds.
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Re: suggs' block - I always thought if your hand is on the ball and a defender hits your hand, it's considered "part of the ball". True? IMO, I thought suggs absolutely hit his hand
Re: end of game reffing - I hate comments like "let them play" or "don't let refs decide the outcome". If it's a foul in the first 10 seconds, it's a foul in the last 10. Don't want refs involved in end of game situations? Then don't commit a foul or infraction that requires their involvement
I never like the "let them play" argument. And even worse, "Don't affect the game." I mean, if you are a ref and you are ignoring a foul, aren't you affecting the game?
That being said, IMHO that was a charge and it was correctly (and courageously) called as such.
As for the block and "hand part of the ball," here is the rule:
Rule 4-24-2. "It is legal use of hands to reach or block or slap the ball controlled by a dribbler or a player throwing for goal or a player holding it, and accidentally hit the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball."
In other words, it is not a foul.
Here is a good, 1-minute video further explaining. It's talking specifically about an NBA situation, but the rule is the same for high school and college:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX1UIaMVMkU
On some angles, it appears that Suggs got enough of Riley's arm to make it more than just "hand is part of the ball." On other angles, it appears to be all ball. And on still other angles, it appears Suggs got Riley's hand. And again, on fouls, refs aren't watching 20 slo-mo replays; they have one second to make a real-time call.
I frankly would have been OK with the call either way ... and given the spectacular-ness of the play, I'm glad it wasn't called.
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UCLA made an ungodly amount of mid-range jumpers - especially compared to the current college game of 3s and drives.
Re: suggs' block - I always thought if your hand is on the ball and a defender hits your hand, it's considered "part of the ball". True? IMO, I thought suggs absolutely hit his hand
Re: end of game reffing - I hate comments like "let them play" or "don't let refs decide the outcome". If it's a foul in the first 10 seconds, it's a foul in the last 10. Don't want refs involved in end of game situations? Then don't commit a foul or infraction that requires their involvement
Regarding the block, I thought it was a fine no call. Of more concern was the fact that Suggs also grabbed and pulled on the net.
Shouldn't that be a goal-tending then?
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I never like the "let them play" argument. And even worse, "Don't affect the game." I mean, if you are a ref and you are ignoring a foul, aren't you affecting the game?
That being said, IMHO that was a charge and it was correctly (and courageously) called as such.
As for the block and "hand part of the ball," here is the rule:
Rule 4-24-2. "It is legal use of hands to reach or block or slap the ball controlled by a dribbler or a player throwing for goal or a player holding it, and accidentally hit the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball."
In other words, it is not a foul.
Here is a good, 1-minute video further explaining. It's talking specifically about an NBA situation, but the rule is the same for high school and college:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX1UIaMVMkU
On some angles, it appears that Suggs got enough of Riley's arm to make it more than just "hand is part of the ball." On other angles, it appears to be all ball. And on still other angles, it appears Suggs got Riley's hand. And again, on fouls, refs aren't watching 20 slo-mo replays; they have one second to make a real-time call.
I frankly would have been OK with the call either way ... and given the spectacular-ness of the play, I'm glad it wasn't called.
I agree with much of what you said, but with regard to the underlined: if the contact with the arm could be seen on one camera angle, that simply means the other camera angles missed it. A camera angle can’t make contact appear if it didn’t happen.
But yeah, it was a very quick and close play, and I am not going to tear the refs apart for missing it in the heat of the moment. The most unfortunate thing to me was that both close calls in the last minute happened to go Gonzaga‘s way.
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Not sure if it has been mentioned yey, but one question was whether or not Suggs was in bounds after thr block to possess the ball and take it the other way.
The block appeared clean to me, and he appeared to barely get one foot back in bounds to possess the ball to go the other way. If the rule was two feet in bounds vs one he would have been ruled out of bounds, UCLA ball there.
The Timme charge on Juzang would have been more of a discussion had the shot gone in the basket, as to whether a charge or no call there. Calling a charge or not but gathering the ball defensively off of the miss, worked out either way for Gonzaga.
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Tired of hearing about great shots and totally ignoring Lees pass to Whitehead and Jerome tossing it in the semi final in77. We always heat about Laetners shot and shots like this but no recognition of Whiteheads, except maybe on Scoop. Chalk it up to recency bias.
Thought the same thing. Only Butch Lee could have found Jerome in that situation. And he did. What a finish!
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Regarding the block, I thought it was a fine no call. Of more concern was the fact that Suggs also grabbed and pulled on the net.
Shouldn't that be a goal-tending then?
It was incidental and it didn't affect the play. The ball wasn't going in. Had he put his hand up through the net and/or over the rim to block the shot, it would have been goaltending.
Not sure if it has been mentioned yey, but one question was whether or not Suggs was in bounds after thr block to possess the ball and take it the other way.
The block appeared clean to me, and he appeared to barely get one foot back in bounds to possess the ball to go the other way.
Doesn't have to be 2 feet. The rule is only that the player has to be "clearly inbounds." It is a judgment call. I just watched the play for the zillion-and-10th time ... and I absolutely would have ruled that Suggs was "clearly inbounds." He makes the block, his momentum carries him out of bounds, he comes back inbounds with his left foot and takes a full stride toward the ball, he touches the ball at about the same time as his right foot touches down. It would be my judgment that even if his right foot had touched a nanosecond after Suggs had touched the ball, he would have established himself "clearly inbounds."
One other thing I was reminded of as I re-watched the sequence:
Not long before the block, Suggs doubled-down on Riley and left Juzang open for 3; Juzang hit, putting UCLA ahead 77-75, and Grant Hill said: "Mental error right there by Jalen Suggs." But on the very next possession, Suggs weaved through the lane and hit a tough fade-away to tie, with Raftery gleefully saying: "This kid's a gamer!" Then came the block, the gather and the half-court bounce pass to Timme. Wow, what a sequence.
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It was incidental and it didn't affect the play. The ball wasn't going in. Had he put his hand up through the net and/or over the rim to block the shot, it would have been goaltending.
Doesn't have to be 2 feet. The rule is only that the player has to be "clearly inbounds." It is a judgment call. I just watched the play for the zillion-and-10th time ... and I absolutely would have ruled that Suggs was "clearly inbounds." He makes the block, his momentum carries him out of bounds, he comes back inbounds with his left foot and takes a full stride toward the ball, he touches the ball at about the same time as his right foot touches down. It would be my judgment that even if his right foot had touched a nanosecond after Suggs had touched the ball, he would have established himself "clearly inbounds."
One other thing I was reminded of as I re-watched the sequence:
Not long before the block, Suggs doubled-down on Riley and left Juzang open for 3; Juzang hit, putting UCLA ahead 77-75, and Grant Hill said: "Mental error right there by Jalen Suggs." But on the very next possession, Suggs weaved through the lane and hit a tough fade-away to tie, with Raftery gleefully saying: "This kid's a gamer!" Then came the block, the gather and the half-court bounce pass to Timme. Wow, what a sequence.
Right. That’s why I said he was in bounds, but if the rule were two feet, that right foot hadn’t touched yet. It’s a game of inches sometimes.
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Raftery bothers me to no end.
Please retire, there comes a time.
I did, it's great.
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Raftery bothers me to no end.
Please retire, there comes a time.
I did, it's great.
Are you kidding? It's a highly-paid part-time job that he really loves.
It's everyone's ideal situation once they hit a certain age.
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Raftery bothers me to no end.
Please retire, there comes a time.
I did, it's great.
I can confidently say you are in a minute minority with that opinion. He’s remarkably beloved and enjoyed, even still, by younger guys I know who were born a decade after he even started broadcasting, through people who were old enough to remember him coaching SHU. He’s still sharp and picks his moments, he’s not a mess like Vitale or a curmudgeon like Billy Packer when he hung it up.
And why would he want to? There are jobs and then there are fun passions that let you enjoy and talk about the game you love
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Raf is A-OK. He has a few catchphrases that he beats to death, often when egged on by his broadcast partner. And Raf makes references to things that happened back when the peach baskets were up that are totally irrelevant today. But he also has a lot of knowledge and a relaxed, everyman's way of relaying his insight. And he rarely talks over his partner or tries to hog the mic, which is a rarity these days. I'd take him over most others. Steve Kerr and Glenn Rivers were the gold standards for me, and in college I like Spanarkel a lot.
My main problem - and it probably isn't him - is that I noticed numerous games this season in which he was barely audible. I don't know if the mic was on too low, he was sitting too far away, he was talking too quietly, etc. It was better last night than it was the previous round IMHO.
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Raftery bothers me to no end.
Please retire, there comes a time.
I did, it's great.
Oh so you’re the one? Seriously while everyone is entitled to their opinion I think you’re out of your mind. He’s one of the greatest color guys ever. It’s actually a shame Grant Hill takes air time from him.
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Oh so you’re the one? Seriously while everyone is entitled to their opinion I think you’re out of your mind. He’s one of the greatest color guys ever. It’s actually a shame Grant Hill takes air time from him.
I'm waiting for someone to tell me what Grant Hill brings to the broadcast.
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I'm waiting for someone to tell me what Grant Hill brings to the broadcast.
An opportunity to talk about the pass to Laettner
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I'm waiting for someone to tell me what Grant Hill brings to the broadcast.
His voice kind of sounds like Dickie Simpkins. So if one is a Dickie Simpkins fan, then they should like
Grant Hill . Other than that I am not sure.
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I'm waiting for someone to tell me what Grant Hill brings to the broadcast.
Nada.
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Interesting: https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1378799537368801285
GU would also be the first non football school to win a title since 1977.
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His voice kind of sounds like Dickie Simpkins. So if one is a Dickie Simpkins fan, then they should like
Grant Hill . Other than that I am not sure.
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Interesting: https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1378799537368801285
GU would also be the first non football school to win a title since 1977.
Nova is a football school?
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Nova is a football school?
If they're defining "football school" as "has a football team" then yes, Nova is a football school.
And it seems that must be how they're defining it.
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I thought the reports that Jalen Suggs and Paige Bueckers have been friends since elementary schools were cool. For those who haven't paid any attention to WBB, Bueckers is a freshman at UCONN and was just named named NPOY. Both made the FF. It turned out to be a pretty good freshman year for the two long-time friends. Both are AA (Buecker's first team; Suggs second); both were First Team All-Conference; both were Frosh/Newcomer of the year in their respective conferences. Suggs made it a little farther in the tournament than Bueckers, but she'll she'll probably win 2-3 championships before she's done. I guess Suggs will have to make due with his NBA millions after this year.
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I thought the reports that Jalen Suggs and Paige Bueckers have been friends since elementary schools were cool. For those who haven't paid any attention to WBB, Bueckers is a freshman at UCONN and was just named named NPOY. Both made the FF. It turned out to be a pretty good freshman year for the two long-time friends. Both are AA (Buecker's first team; Suggs second); both were First Team All-Conference; both were Frosh/Newcomer of the year in their respective conferences. Suggs made it a little farther in the tournament than Bueckers, but she'll she'll probably win 2-3 championships before she's done. I guess Suggs will have to make due with his NBA millions after this year.
There have been some reports that Bueckers might challenge rules forbidding younger players from playing in the WNBA, if not this year then maybe next. Under the current WNBA collective bargaining agreement, American players have to be 22 before they can declare for the draft, or have earned their degree, or have been out of high school for four years. International players only have to be 20.
“Why would women have a choice? Half the battle is having the choice to do it then you go on and make the best decision,” Diana Taurasi told the Arizona Republic. “The next step is to have that option. Will kids do it? Probably not, but you should have that option. If you’re the best at your profession, you should be able to keep getting better.”
Obviously. But it was negotiated in the CBA, so it's questionable if a court challenge would succeed.
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Two questions;
Would you draft Suggs over Cade Cunningham?
Is it conceivable Mitchell will be the better pro than both of them?
Maybe I'm way off but Davion Mitchell has impressed me the most in the tournament. He's only 6'2 but he's heavy, definitely in the 200 lbs range. And the kid is tenacious defensively. Someone made the comparison to Donavan Mitchell, I think that's pretty accurate but without the insane hops?
We're in for a real treat tonight with Suggs and Mitchell, not to mention the rest of the guys. I think Gonzaga has at least 4 NBA players and Baylor probably has 3. I'm rooting for Gonzaga but the way the game is officiated on the perimeter could give Baylor the edge. They're extremely physical and I don't expect touch fouls to be called. I'm gonna go 87-80 Zags but not sure why.
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I'm going with Gonzaga, if for no other reason because teams that won their last game big time tend to have a letdown the next game and teams that had an unexpected scare tend to play a great game next time. In true Scoop tradition, I have no facts to back up my statements but since I said them, they must be true.
There seems to be quite a bit of hatred towards Timme. The (past) BE equivalent, I think, would be Macura but Dodds would probably say .....put Macura,.... Mac Clung,......and Powell ....in a blender.....
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We tend to overvalue the tournament when it comes to Draft stock. I'd still take Cunningham first and Mobley second. I like Suggs and think he'll be a great pro, but his size isn't what those other guys at the top have. Green & Kuminga are also in that top-5 mix.
I like Mitchell, but he's 6'2" and older than the others. He should be a lottery pick and I expect a solid pro, but he doesn't have the upside of the top prospects. Could be end up being the best? I suppose, but it's really hard to envision a 6'2" combo guard being better than this incredibly strong top tier of picks.
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I'm going with Gonzaga, if for no other reason because teams that won their last game big time tend to have a letdown the next game and teams that had an unexpected scare tend to play a great game next time. In true Scoop tradition, I have no facts to back up my statements but since I said them, they must be true.
I feel like this is true, too, but the same caveat that I have nothing to back it up with.
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I'm going with Baylor - and a rather comfortable 8-12 point margin. I thought Gonzaga was disturbingly easy to score against on Saturday, and I think their backcourt length is going to frustrate the Zags.
Which means Gonzaga will win by 20.
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Cunningham hands down should be the #1 pick, and he will be.
Suggs is really good though and definitely a guy you can be thrilled about drafting top 3.
Mitchell is easily Baylors all around best and most important player. He will be a quality pro. But I highly doubt he ever gets close to being a NBA "star".
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I'm going with Baylor - and a rather comfortable 8-12 point margin. I thought Gonzaga was disturbingly easy to score against on Saturday, and I think their backcourt length is going to frustrate the Zags.
Which means Gonzaga will win by 20.
I am rooting for Gonzaga but can see this happening. I believe Gonzaga-Baylor is a matchup of Gonzaga’s top offense against Baylor’s top defense. Both their strengths will be on the same side of the court.
In a National Title game, I feel like I’d bet on the defense rather than the offense. Seems many are ugly games with nerves and two good teams. Maybe Gonzaga got that out of the way against UCLA, but we will see.
I’m just glad we are getting a matchup of the two best teams.
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I thought the reports that Jalen Suggs and Paige Bueckers have been friends since elementary schools were cool. For those who haven't paid any attention to WBB, Bueckers is a freshman at UCONN and was just named named NPOY. Both made the FF. It turned out to be a pretty good freshman year for the two long-time friends. Both are AA (Buecker's first team; Suggs second); both were First Team All-Conference; both were Frosh/Newcomer of the year in their respective conferences. Suggs made it a little farther in the tournament than Bueckers, but she'll she'll probably win 2-3 championships before she's done. I guess Suggs will have to make due with his NBA millions after this year.
I mentioned on the WBB thread in the Superbar last week.
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Nova is a football school?
Yes. They won a FCS National title in 2009 and have sent some prominent players to the NFL (Howie Long, Bryant Westbrook).
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Yes. They won a FCS National title in 2009 and have sent some prominent players to the NFL (Howie Long, Bryant Westbrook).
Well, that doesn't mean they are what most would describe as a "football school." When one thinks of "football schools" that also excel at basketball, one might currently think of Florida State, Alabama, Baylor, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc.
I would list Nova as a "basketball school" that also fields a football program, like Kansas, UCLA and Duke.
But really, it's all semantics, and folks can list any school however they'd like. However, I don't think it's wrong to raise one's eyebrows if somebody else calls Villanova a "football school."
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Well, that doesn't mean they are what most would describe as a "football school." When one thinks of "football schools" that also excel at basketball, one might currently think of Florida State, Alabama, Baylor, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc.
I would list Nova as a "basketball school" that also fields a football program, like Kansas, UCLA and Duke.
But really, it's all semantics, and folks can list any school however they'd like. However, I don't think it's wrong to raise one's eyebrows if somebody else calls Villanova a "football school."
I'm referring to a school WITH a football program. G-town's is glorified HS but they still have a football program. MU is the last national champ that represented an institution without football (thus, classified as I-AAA and not FBS or FCS).
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Villanova did not have an active football team when they won the 1985 national championship. They went on hiatus from 1981 until the fall of 1985.
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I'm going with Gonzaga, if for no other reason because teams that won their last game big time tend to have a letdown the next game and teams that had an unexpected scare tend to play a great game next time. In true Scoop tradition, I have no facts to back up my statements but since I said them, they must be true.
I feel like this is true, too, but the same caveat that I have nothing to back it up with.
Ditto for me...especially the part about having no facts to back it up with.
Long live Scoop!
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As I sit here right now, I'm thinking Baylor wins. But I reserve the right to change my mind.
Maybe even before game time - ha!
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We tend to overvalue the tournament when it comes to Draft stock. I'd still take Cunningham first and Mobley second. I like Suggs and think he'll be a great pro, but his size isn't what those other guys at the top have. Green & Kuminga are also in that top-5 mix.
I like Mitchell, but he's 6'2" and older than the others. He should be a lottery pick and I expect a solid pro, but he doesn't have the upside of the top prospects. Could be end up being the best? I suppose, but it's really hard to envision a 6'2" combo guard being better than this incredibly strong top tier of picks.
Well they obviously didn't envision Donavan Mitchell being better than perhaps everyone in the 2017 draft outside of Tatum, did they? I'm just throwing it out there and am no expert but the kid has a lot of similar tools. There are constantky whiffs in the lottery. I agree on Cunningham and Suggs being excellent prospects and close to a lock at 1/2. After that I wouldn't put any stock in the so called draft experts.
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Well they obviously didn't envision Donavan Mitchell being better than perhaps everyone in the 2017 draft outside of Tatum, did they? I'm just throwing it out there and am no expert but the kid has a lot of similar tools. There are constantky whiffs in the lottery. I agree on Cunningham and Suggs being excellent prospects and close to a lock at 1/2. After that I wouldn't put any stock in the so called draft experts.
Very true about Donovan Mitchell. He was too small, and too defensive-oriented. Lots of organizations kicking themselves today for passing on him, including the Hornets. And this Mitchell does remind me of that Mitchell, too. We'll see if he can develop into anywhere near as good a player. He's got a long way to go.
I don't see how any team could pass on Cunningham. Nice size and wonderful skill set, with an ability to grow his game even more. Suggs will be very good at the next level, though.
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Very true about Donovan Mitchell. He was too small, and too defensive-oriented. Lots of organizations kicking themselves today for passing on him, including the Hornets. And this Mitchell does remind me of that Mitchell, too. We'll see if he can develop into anywhere near as good a player. He's got a long way to go.
I don't see how any team could pass on Cunningham. Nice size and wonderful skill set, with an ability to grow his game even more. Suggs will be very good at the next level, though.
I get CC and JS. That's fair. But I see Mitchell projected outside the top 14 in some of the mocks which I think is pretty off. You wonder if Suggs and Mitchell match-up tonight how that will impact their draft? Suggs is taller and a better all around offensive player but Iwouldn't be particularly worried about Davion being only 6'2.. Bouknight is better a better prospect imo.
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Just saw an interesting graphic on ESPN:
This is the 5th time #1 v #2 for the title. ... Previous 4 times, the #2 team won.
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When was the last time a non power 6 basketball school won the big dance and who was it
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When was the last time a non power 6 basketball school won the big dance and who was it
Had to be UNLV, right?
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Had to be UNLV, right?
Good Answer Probably
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When was the last time a non power 6 basketball school won the big dance and who was it
Guessing the AAC is not in the so-called power 6. Connecticut in 2014.
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When was the last time a non power 6 basketball school won the big dance and who was it
Michigan State 2000
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Guessing the AAC is not in the so-called power 6. Connecticut in 2014.
Good Answer Also. Then you you Have UNLV 1990. Then Marquette 1977 although currently Power 6 also. Then UTEP 1966. There are not many.
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Michigan State 2000
Lol I like it haha
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National anthem cringe
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Wonderfully done! Beautiful.
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Flo Thamba running away with the Coolest Name award.
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Flo Thamba running away with the Coolest Name award.
Absolutely.
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Suggs needs to give that up earlier.
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Baylor's quickness is a huge prob early.
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Uh-Oh. Suggs with 2.
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I view all game through an MU prism if possible.
I hate to say this, but I am rooting for Baylor. Probably the only time in my life rooting for them.
I would prefer to see Indiana as the last team with an undefeated season, since they beat a great MU team in 76 to get there.
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Uh-Oh. Suggs with 2.
Charge call was garbage.
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Mitchell is big-time. I think he will be an excellent NBA player. The Zags look a step slow. They better wake up....and in a hurry.
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Charge call was garbage.
That was a bad call.
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Uh-Oh. Suggs with 2.
His head is not in the game.
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That was a bad call.
I would have to see it again. Look like a good call.
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16 To 4 Baylor leads
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Baylor is throttling them. Getting any shot they want. Speed kills. And speed combined with shot making equals death. They had their C game early in the tournament, now they are hitting on all cylinders. Now you know why I have been a strong advocate for kids with handles and prime-time burners.
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I thought they got that call right.
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Yes. They won a FCS National title in 2009 and have sent some prominent players to the NFL (Howie Long, Bryant Westbrook).
Yes—they do play football at a lower level. Are they a football school? Cmon.
Howie Long? He played there in the 70s dude. That’s your proof of Nova being a football school??
That’s like saying North Dakota St is a basketball school.
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wow! good thing this is a "school night"
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The Zags D is an absolute disaster right now.
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The pace Baylor is forcing is nuts.
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Baylor‘s defense has been absolutely phenomenal.
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That block looked clean to me.
Speed
Quickness
Speed
Quickness
Speed
Quickness
The Zags can get back into the game offensively but don't look like they can guard them at all. What adjustment would you make?
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Granted am cheering for the Zags but Baylor seems to be able to chip and bump away on with out anything being called. Seems like a loose whistle except on Suggs.
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Granted am cheering for the Zags but Baylor seems to be able to chip away on with out anything being called. Seems like a loose whistle except on Suggs.
FWIW, that last foul call was a clean block by Baylor.
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Baylor looking way more athletic tonight.
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Baylor doesn't switch screens.
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Gonzaga isn't ready to play. WTH?
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Is Gonzaga running Wojo's offense?
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Is Gonzaga running Wojo's offense?
Ha!! I was gonna ask if they're running his defense.
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Chip Away Zags
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Loved Raffs comment on "nickel dime Mc Crorys basement" that is really old school
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I'm stunned. Baylor is shooting lights out but it doesn't look like Gonzaga can guard them.
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Is Gonzaga running Wojo's offense?
This is exactly how a wojo team would look on this kind of stage.
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I have to say I am enjoying this immensely.
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I have to say I am enjoying this immensely.
How come? Isn't Baylor corrupt?
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Gonzaga didn’t play any competition all year and it shows
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Suggs should have 3 fouls. Refs really let that one go.
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Gonzaga didn’t play any competition all year and it shows
They played several highly ranked teams.
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Zags have started to figure this out
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Oklahoma State beat Marquette By 8 and Beat Baylor By 9 haha
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How come? Isn't Baylor corrupt?
Don’t really know. Timme is a jag with his stupid mustache thing he does after scoring to bring them to 19 down?
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Zags gave up a 3 but the zone seems to have allowed the Zags catch their breath some
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Zags have started to figure this out
They don't look like they have figured it out defensively or on the glass. That zone isn't gonna work for long stretches. But if they could get to the half- at -10 or fewer they have to feel pretty good. It was 33-14.
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That looks like a Wojo zone. Should be put to pasture.
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Zags are not hitting the 3s Gonzaga 1-5 on 3s Baylor 7-11 on 3s
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Shredding the Zags inside too
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Zags are not hitting the 3s Gonzaga 1-5 on 3s Baylor 7-11 on 3s
It's well beyond that stat. Baylor is killing them on the glass and kicking the ball away. And remember Baylor is the best 3pt shooting team in the country.
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It's well beyond that stat. Baylor is killing them on the glass and kicking the ball away. And remember Baylor is the best 3pt shooting team in the country.
And forcing way more turnovers than the Zags usually commit.
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Timme!!!!
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Gonzaga back into it.
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Serious question, how many TOs would we have against Baylor if we played them?
25?
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They don't look like they have figured it out defensively or on the glass. That zone isn't gonna work for long stretches. But if they could get to the half- at -10 or fewer they have to feel pretty good. It was 33-14.
Just remember BU going flat against Wisky in the second half. Zags are too good to not make this interesting.
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Don’t really know. Timme is a jag with his stupid mustache thing he does after scoring to bring them to 19 down?
He’s honestly reason enough to root against the Zags.
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Gonzaga has to feel elated they are only down 10 because they were totally outplayed. Free throws are keeping them in the game. I'm just not sure they can defend them. It really comes down to whether Baylor will start missing open looks and can Gonzaga secure the d-glass.
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He’s honestly reason enough to root against the Zags.
Point well taken.
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Can't believe this massacre is a ten point game at half. Hopefully the Zags come out gunning in the second.
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Fouls 11-6 towards Baylor. That will get evened up I imagine
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Serious question, how many TOs would we have against Baylor if we played them?
25?
Unfortunately we don't have a modern day version of Muggsy Bogues. :) So 25 is probably accurate.
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Gonzaga has zero turnovers in the final 7 plus of the first half. That point they were trailing by 19 points.
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Top 5 douchebags of all-time in college hoops? Is Timme on that squad? Or are they all from one team?
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Maybe it’s been mentioned in this thread but I haven’t read it all. Isn’t there a guy on Baylor that we recruited pretty hard? Top 40 guy from Minnesota who I think at one point Mark Miller even picked to go to MU. Pretty sure his last name is Danja or something like that.
Where’s he been at all year? I’m guessing he’s hurt?
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Kenny Smith: " Congratulations to the Stanford Cardinals". Smh.
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Kenny Smith: " Congratulations to the Stanford Cardinals". Smh.
Lol.
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Top 5 douchebags of all-time in college hoops? Is Timme on that squad? Or are they all from one team?
Christian Laettner
Grayson Allen
JP McCura
Timme
Scott Skiles
Not a bad team actually
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Timme and his celebrations are great. The guy legit has fun out there. He remembers that it's a game. If you dislike Timme, you dislike fun.
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Myles Powell has to be on the list
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Timme isn’t anywhere near top 5 current, much less all time. He’s not dirty, he’s just really damn good and demonstrative. Davidson is miles ahead of him
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Timme and his celebrations are great. The guy legit has fun out there. He remembers that it's a game. If you dislike Timme, you dislike fun.
Bullsh*t. He’s cheesy and tacky. I’ve never seen a player celebrate layups.
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Myles Powell has to be on the list
Good call. He is a first teamer.
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Bad move going to zone tonatart the half.
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Zags are lucky to have the ref’s favor or this would be worse
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Christian Laettner
Grayson Allen
JP McCura
Timme
Scott Skiles
Not a bad team actually
No Whisky players Herman? In fairness that's a pretty strong list.
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If Baylor wins, they will join 1987 Indiana as the only other team to win the National Title while leading the country in 3 point Field Goal percentage. (MUBB led the country in that stat in 2017) 1987 was also the first year for 3's.
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Ball don’t lie. Suggs initiated that contact.
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WTH is Nemhard doing?
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This camera work is giving me motion sickness.
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Camera angles Are. The. Worst.
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No Whisky players Herman? In fairness that's a pretty strong list.
To the second part of your question, the all time Douche team would 77-78 Notre Dame Led by Bill Laimbeer...
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My all-douchebag team:
Grayson Allen
Davison
Devendorf
Powell
Macura
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To the second part of your question, the all time Douche team would 77-78 Notre Dame Led by Bill Laimbeer...
Oh....great call Herman.
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Timme isn’t anywhere near top 5 current, much less all time. He’s not dirty, he’s just really damn good and demonstrative. Davidson is miles ahead of him
+1
Timme's cocksure attitude doesn't hold a flame to real douchebags like Eric Devendorf, Brad Davidson, and Jeff Xavier's cousin.
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Timme handling the ball like it has butter on it tonight. And he got away with a foul on that last play in the lane.
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Game over. Baylor is just better despite Gonzaga being a bit out of sorts. It's all about quickness/speed.
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This camera work is giving me motion sickness.
Awful. And inexcusable.
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+1
Timme's cocksure attitude doesn't hold a flame to real douchebags like Eric Devendorf, Brad Davidson, and Jeff Xavier's cousin.
Agreed. Timme is annoying, but nowhere close to some of the all-timers.
Now that pornstash…
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Wow...Baylor +27 from distance .
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Dumb play by Kispert there going behind his back. Oooops. Could have easily passed that to an open teammate.
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Fouls are starting to even out, and the Zags look totally gassed.
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People were touting this team as one of the greatest of all time?
Okay ::)
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People were touting this team as one of the greatest of all time?
Okay ::)
Give us a break we haven't seen good basketball for years
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My all-douchebag team:
Grayson Allen
Davison
Devendorf
Powell
Macura
Coached by Bo Ryan?
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People were touting this team as one of the greatest of all time?
Okay ::)
We’re they really?? That’s total insanity even without this result.
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We’re they really?? That’s total insanity even without this result.
Not here specially just in general. It was the popular narrative.
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We’re they really?? That’s total insanity even without this result.
Yes, because to sports media today, “all time” is within the last five years.
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People were touting this team as one of the greatest of all time?
Okay ::)
Gonzaga is obviously an excellent team, but would have 6-8 losses in any of the major conferences. Different ballgame when you play high majors every game instead of just the few games you get up for each year.
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People were touting this team as one of the greatest of all time?
Okay ::)
Were people really saying that?
I'm not sure who the greatest team of all time was, but even the 90-91 Runin' Rebels would have run them out of the gym.
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Gonzaga didn’t play any competition all year and it shows
Kansas, West Virginia, Iowa, Virginia, BYU, Oklahoma, USC, Creighton, UCLA. 11 top 40 wins.
They are getting run off the floor but come on.
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Yes, because to sports media today, “all time” is within the last five years.
Yeah the current best anything is always the greatest. Sports media is very guilty of that.
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Vital has been vital tonight.
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People were touting this team as one of the greatest of all time?
Okay ::)
With how quickly kids come out and the amount of transferring there will just never been teams that match up to some of the best cbbball teams of years ago.
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Timme doesn’t do the mustache thing when he hurts a teammate?
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Baylor is turning in one of the most remarkable defensive performances I have ever seen.
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Timme got exposed in this one.
Baylor ate him alive on the glass and barely let him get going on O.
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I did not think BU could hold the intensity the whole 40, and I thought the Zags would narrow the deficit to six or so. Wrong on both.
One thing I'm confident in is that this year's crop of repeating commercials has been the. worst. ever.
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I don't think the emotional win Sat for Gonzaga had anything to do with this result. Baylor is just better. Quicker at every position.
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I did not think BU could hold the intensity the whole 40, and I thought the Zags would narrow the deficit to six or so. Wrong on both.
One thing I'm confident in is that this year's crop of repeating commercials has been the. worst. ever.
Great points.
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I don't think the emotional win Sat for Gonzaga had anything to do with this result. Baylor is just better. Quicker at every position.
I do. Gonzaga wasn't ready at the start after that epic game. Yet, that's on Gonzaga. Baylor poped them.
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I don't think the emotional win Sat for Gonzaga had anything to do with this result. Baylor is just better. Quicker at every position.
Idk man. Baylor was awesome but the Zags were off from the jump
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I do. Gonzaga wasn't ready at the start after that epic game. Yet, that's on Gonzaga. Baylor poped them.
Baylor definitely looking infallible tonight.
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I do. Gonzaga wasn't ready at the start after that epic game. Yet, that's on Gonzaga. Baylor pooped them.
Maybe but I disagree. Baylor's overall guard play is WAY better. And their bigs were also quicker to the ball. They completely dominated on both ends of the floor and peaked at the right time.
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Being as allegedly dirty as Drew/Baylor are, how many years till this is vacated?
Assuming it's similar to the punishments for Louisville, Arizona, LSU, etc....I'd say 10 years or never.
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So does this mean Baylor is the best team ever? I mean, they rolled to easy wins in both Final Four games, including in the title game against a team some were touting as the best of all time. And they did so after winning the regular-season title with a 13-1 record in arguably the best conference in the country. Will finish 28-2.
(Pssst ... I don't really think they're the best team ever, or even in the neighborhood.)
Re Timme ... as many of us said earlier in the tournament, if opponents don't like all his antics, don't let him do what he wants to do on the court. He ain't doing any antics now, is he?
Timme will get drafted and will play in the league, but his game is not very good for today's NBA. He's not quick and explosive like many his size, and he has not demonstrated the ability to consistently hit the 3. Slow on D, too.
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Kudos to Baylor. They dominated on both ends of the court.
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Baylor definitely looking infallible tonight.
The bottom line is Baylor's perimeter and overall D is vastly superior to Gonzaga and there is no evidence they could be stopped getting quality looks. As Fluffy BM stated the Zags D was exposed on Sat.
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A lot of players much much MUCH better than Timme can’t be stopped but they don’t celebrate layups. It’s called class. Acting like you’ve done it before.
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I'm torn. I wanted Few to get a championship. But at the same time, had this Gonzaga team won, they would have gotten brought up in the "one of the greatest teams ever" given the undefeated season, and they just weren't that good. A very good and deserving final four team absolutely. But just not a historically great team.
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To play Baylor's defense you need to establish a physical identity from day one. And of course you need a lot of overall quickness but perhaps we can learn something from this as a program.
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A lot of players much much MUCH better than Timme can’t be stopped but they don’t celebrate layups. It’s called class. Acting like you’ve done it before.
I bet you hate touchdown celebrations and yearn for Barry Sanders muted response to scoring. “Class” :D ;D :D
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I'm torn. I wanted Few to get a championship. But at the same time, had this Gonzaga team won, they would have gotten brought up in the "one of the greatest teams ever" given the undefeated season, and they just weren't that good. A very good and deserving final four team absolutely. But just not a historically great team.
This was my feeling precisely. Few is the kind of coach I really like and I want him to win a title. But we've seen better teams just in the last decade, let alone if we go back to the best Dean Smith teams, Bobby Knight teams and John Wooden teams. It was a fun discussion but come on.
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I bet you hate touchdown celebrations and yearn for Barry Sanders muted response to scoring. “Class” :D ;D :D
A TD is different than a 6'11 guy making a lay-up. I think his point on Timmie is well taken.
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I bet you hate touchdown celebrations and yearn for Barry Sanders muted response to scoring. “Class” :D ;D :D
Haha nah. Top players in football score 15+ TD’s in a season. Apples to oranges.
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The only good commercial the entire NCAA tournament is the "scoop there it is" Geico ad. And I'm not just saying that. The lady in the red sweater is fantastic.
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I haven't read a lot of the thread tonight, but see a bit of talk about Timme, but I thought Kispert was really exposed tonight. He was slow and couldn't guard the wing, and couldn't get his shot off or make them when he was able to. Feel like his NBA stock took a huge dive tonight.
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I haven't read a lot of the thread tonight, but see a bit of talk about Timme, but I thought Kispert was really exposed tonight. He was slow and couldn't guard the wing, and couldn't get his shot off or make them when he was able to. Feel like his NBA stock took a huge dive tonight.
Greg McDermott 2.0?
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I believe Baylor becomes just the 2nd team since the McDonald's AA game started to win the title without a single McDonald's AA on the roster.
The other was Maryland in 2002.
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Haha nah. Top players in football score 15+ TD’s in a season. Apples to oranges.
Are you against trash talking? Timme is clearly trying to get under the opponent's skin, which is a valuable skill to have. I think his moustache stroking is a basketball play. If you get tilted by it, imagine the emotional 20 year olds he's playing against.
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Arse kicking. Time to watch Aaron Rodgers.
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A lot of players much much MUCH better than Timme can’t be stopped but they don’t celebrate layups. It’s called class. Acting like you’ve done it before.
Did you rip Travis for his three fingers or Cubillian for his shoulder shake?
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Shaka with the befuddled look in One Shining Moment. Hope we don't see that look a lot at MU.
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Greg McDermott 2.0?
Doug, but nah.
He’s Korver 2.0. The similarities are striking. Same general size. Korver was a bit better from 3 as a senior, but Kispert has a bit better eFG.
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Shaka with the befuddled look in One Shining Moment. Hope we don't see that look a lot at MU.
Agree lol Saw Shaka’s look on his Solo cameo on the One Shining Moment Video. At least he made the video but hope Marquette can Win some games in the Big Dance.
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Doug, but nah.
He’s Korver 2.0. The similarities are striking. Same general size. Korver was a bit better from 3 as a senior, but Kispert has a bit better eFG.
Oooops. Doug.
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I'm torn. I wanted Few to get a championship. But at the same time, had this Gonzaga team won, they would have gotten brought up in the "one of the greatest teams ever" given the undefeated season, and they just weren't that good. A very good and deserving final four team absolutely. But just not a historically great team.
Well the GOAT lost. Who was the goat of the game? Suggs? Timme? Well this old goat fell asleep and missed the end of the game.
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So...did Colin Gillespie getting hurt give Baylor the title? Villanova led with just over 10 to play & had the ball with a 5-point deficit under 5. With Baylor & Ohio State in the same region, they were always going to try to keep Big 10 & 12 teams away from those two, even had Nova ended up on the 3/4 line.
Obviously just a hypothetical, but Villanova was really the only team that gave Baylor a game in this tournament.
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Are you against trash talking? Timme is clearly trying to get under the opponent's skin, which is a valuable skill to have. I think his moustache stroking is a basketball play. If you get tilted by it, imagine the emotional 20 year olds he's playing against.
Acting like an ass hat after nearly every made basket is not a basketball play and not a valuable skill, its being an ass hat. How about get back and play defense and act like you have been there before. I am all for a little trash talk and celebrating a great play, but what he does is over the top, self-promoting garbage. He clearly loved the attention, nothing to do with trying to get in the opponent’s head.
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So...did Colin Gillespie getting hurt give Baylor the title? Villanova led with just over 10 to play & had the ball with a 5-point deficit under 5. With Baylor & Ohio State in the same region, they were always going to try to keep Big 10 & 12 teams away from those two, even had Nova ended up on the 3/4 line.
Obviously just a hypothetical, but Villanova was really the only team that gave Baylor a game in this tournament.
A good after topic might be the rating of the Selection Committee:
- The NET was not very accurate nor used very well
- PAC was underrated
- B1G was severely overrated
- Loyola was jobbed. Houston as a 2 seed vs. Nova as a 5. BE undervalued.
It's never easy especially during C19, but the football heavy conferences certainly got subjective nods, not all tools available used were followed, the NET needs a lot of refinement and was exposed by COVID due to sample size. I'd give a B-.
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A good after topic might be the rating of the Selection Committee:
- The NET was not very accurate nor used very well
- PAC was underrated
- B1G was severely overrated
- Loyola was jobbed. Houston as a 2 seed vs. Nova as a 5. BE undervalued.
It's never easy especially during C19, but the football heavy conferences certainly got subjective nods, not all tools available used were followed, the NET needs a lot of refinement and was exposed by COVID due to sample size. I'd give a B-.
Hard for me to cry about Loyola being jobbed when they lost to a 12th seeded Oregon State team.
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Are you against trash talking? Timme is clearly trying to get under the opponent's skin, which is a valuable skill to have. I think his moustache stroking is a basketball play. If you get tilted by it, imagine the emotional 20 year olds he's playing against.
I actually think most of them don't really care. In my experience, fans get way more upset about meaningless stuff like that then players do.
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So...did Colin Gillespie getting hurt give Baylor the title? Villanova led with just over 10 to play & had the ball with a 5-point deficit under 5. With Baylor & Ohio State in the same region, they were always going to try to keep Big 10 & 12 teams away from those two, even had Nova ended up on the 3/4 line.
Obviously just a hypothetical, but Villanova was really the only team that gave Baylor a game in this tournament.
I think Baylor gave Baylor the title. They were very, very clearly the best team in college basketball. Their closest win in the Tournament was a 9 point win over Arkansas in the Elite Eight. Had they not gone on their covid pause mid conference season, they very well may have been the undefeated team of 2021. I think they could've gone all 1 and 2 seeds for 6 straight games and won all of them the way they were playing in the Tournament.
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Acting like an ass hat after nearly every made basket is not a basketball play and not a valuable skill, its being an ass hat. How about get back and play defense and act like you have been there before. I am all for a little trash talk and celebrating a great play, but what he does is over the top, self-promoting garbage. He clearly loved the attention, nothing to do with trying to get in the opponent’s head.
This is correct. For those trying to find comparisons to what Timme did on routine layups - stop. There really isn’t a good comp.
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Half of Traci Carter made One Shining Moment 😂
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Does anybody have a video of Macio Teague flexing on Drew Timme last night? The game was over to me when Baylor started up 9-0, so I was watching but also doing other stuff as needed and missed that, but am hearing Titus and Tate reference it on their podcast.
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Doug, but nah.
He’s Korver 2.0. The similarities are striking. Same general size. Korver was a bit better from 3 as a senior, but Kispert has a bit better eFG.
Probably a decent comparison, but I would feel pretty good betting that Kispert will never be as good as Korver.
Great shooters are nice to have. Great shooters with quick releases are way better to have.
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Hard for me to cry about Loyola being jobbed when they lost to a 12th seeded Oregon State team.
Totally agree with this.
Let's say Loyola was seeded 5th instead of 8th. They play Oregon State in the first round ... and quite possibly lose to 'em.
Getting seeded 8th ended up being a great thing for Loyola, because they got to play -- and beat -- Illinois in the second round. It was a wonderful thing for Mo$er, that's for sure.
If Loyola did get "jobbed," the school it hurt most was Illinois.
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Hard for me to cry about Loyola being jobbed when they lost to a 12th seeded Oregon State team.
This is flawed logic with zero merit. Teams aren't seeded based on tournament results, they are seeded on the body of work before the tournament begins.
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This is flawed logic with zero merit. Teams aren't seeded based on tournament results, they are seeded on the body of work before the tournament begins.
I'm not saying they weren't "jobbed" by their seeding. I just don't really care. I'm just not going to be all up in arms about it when you lose to Oregon State.
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Referee Bert Smith says a blood clot in his lung caused him to fall during the USC/Gonzaga game.
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Referee Bert Smith says a blood clot in his lung caused him to fall during the USC/Gonzaga game.
That was crazy shyte, Mr. N! The one replay I saw was from all the way down the court. One second he was standing there, then he just fell straight backward as if attached to a wooden plank. I was worried that his head had hit the court first and might have done some damage, but thankfully that doesn't appear to have been the case.
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Referee Bert Smith says a blood clot in his lung caused him to fall during the USC/Gonzaga game.
And he went to the hotel instead of the hospital.
Colossal failure that luckily didn't end up with a fatality.
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Referee Bert Smith says a blood clot in his lung caused him to fall during the USC/Gonzaga game.
Great article about it, including how the doctors had to 'trick him' into even getting into the stretcher (he wanted to walk off the court). Glad he decided to go to IU Medical Center and get it taken care of.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2021/04/09/ncaa-tournament-referee-bert-smith-collapse-game-saved-life/7148461002/
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https://youtu.be/mYrYpgNcbBo
Great breakdown of the championship game