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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Not A Serious Person on March 03, 2021, 11:40:44 PM
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Creighton coach Greg McDermott says he offered to resign after racially insensitive comments to men's basketball team
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31000499/creighton-coach-greg-mcdermott-says-offered-resign-racially-insensitive-comments-men-basketball-team
He did it correctly. He asked the players the comment was addressed to what they thought should be done.
Hopefully, this is the end of it.
Creighton men's basketball coach Greg McDermott, who previously apologized for urging his players to "stay on the plantation" in a postgame locker room talk following a loss over the weekend, said on Wednesday that he offered to resign over his comments.
McDermott said on Creighton's pregame radio show before a 72-60 loss to No. 10 Villanova that he had a long meeting with players on Sunday night and said he saw "pain in their face(s)" and hoped "one mistake doesn't define you."
McDermott said he wanted to make sure the Bluejays wanted him to remain as coach and apologized for the "distraction that I brought to this team for the choice that I made."
McDermott said the Bluejays -- whose players wear "equality" on the back of their jerseys -- did not ask for him to resign.
"Our guys wanted me to coach and that's my job," McDermott said.
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Hopefully, this is the end of it.
Agreed, but I'm dubious. All it takes is one former player or disgruntled person etc claiming he said whatever. He could be taken down with a feather right now.
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I think the long term ramifications are the real problem. The negative recruiting story writes itself and doesn't go away after March.
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I think the long term ramifications are the real problem. The negative recruiting story writes itself and doesn't go away after March.
Eh, maybe. He said he immediately apologized, and it is the first time something like this has come up with him. If there was more to it, there would be more reports from players and coworkers... sort of like there was with Gregg Marshall.
I think this story is over unless other past allegations arise.
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Eh, maybe. He said he immediately apologized, and it is the first time something like this has come up with him. If there was more to it, there would be more reports from players and coworkers... sort of like there was with Gregg Marshall.
I think this story is over unless other past allegations arise.
As a stand alone I agree, but depending on what happened behind the scenes with the NCAA violations a couple of years back there could also be a trend of questionable behavior that adds up. I know the assistant that was the cause of the investigation left the program but don't know if any of that touched McDermott.
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Creighton, welcome to rock and hard place
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As a stand alone I agree, but depending on what happened behind the scenes with the NCAA violations a couple of years back there could also be a trend of questionable behavior that adds up. I know the assistant that was the cause of the investigation left the program but don't know if any of that touched McDermott.
Remember there were also some allegations from former Black players just a few months ago. Then you have McDermott using words like plantation, and apparently he has lost the team....
I think he's done.
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Eh, maybe. He said he immediately apologized, and it is the first time something like this has come up with him. If there was more to it, there would be more reports from players and coworkers... sort of like there was with Gregg Marshall.
I think this story is over unless other past allegations arise.
I think it gets him through the end of the season with players that know him, but when it comes to a 2022, 2023, or further beyond recruit, it will be the option of going with the guy that told his players to stay on the plantation or another coach that didn't. When stories like this go national, it's easy fodder.
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Remember there were also some allegations from former Black players just a few months ago. Then you have McDermott using words like plantation, and apparently he has lost the team....
I think he's done.
Yea. I wouldn’t be surprised if the players said we’ve got a good season going, let’s ride it out. Just because he didn’t resign today, doesn’t mean he’s long for Creighton.
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Remember there were also some allegations from former Black players just a few months ago. Then you have McDermott using words like plantation, and apparently he has lost the team....
I think he's done.
Justin Patton & Mo Watson didn’t waste any time to let their thoughts be known.
Agree with others. Good luck recruiting moving forward. Seth Trimble, 2022 offer of theirs from Mf, his mother was online saying she won’t be sending her son there
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I also thought Terrence Rencher's comments were worth looking at:
“I am deeply hurt by his words,” said Rencher, who is Black. “While my relationship with Coach has been positive and I have never witnessed any racist energy from him, what he said was wrong and insensitive. ‘Plantation’ had a dark and hurtful history in my community and cannot be overlooked.
“The players have decided that they want to continue to chase their goals on the court this season with Coach McDermott, and I support their wishes and will continue to pour my heart into coaching them and helping them deal with larger issues.”
I wonder if the "this season" part is telling. Basically, the team is in to finish out this campaign, but all bets are off once their NCAA run is over.
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NM
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Who TF even says the word plantation? How is that in your lexicon?
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Who TF even says the word plantation? How is that in your lexicon?
That is what I was thinking. How does that even accidentally pop out of your mouth?
As far as the Big East is concerned, the league is starting to sink a bit because top coaches are leaving, so I'd hate to have to see him leave.
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Such a weird phrase to come out of someone's mouth, especially since its not the 80s or something. Seems like he owned up and hopes to grow as a person. Its not like he deflected his responsibility and didnt own up to it, like so many other people do with their "apologies".
Its not right what he said, but noone is perfect. We can only hope people change and become more aware of their words and the impact they have.
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Based on what we know today, I hope McDermott can survive this. I believe strongly in second chances, especially when the offending party seems genuinely contrite and willing to work to improve.
But the reality is that if Creighton's administration sees this as something that can hurt the program going forward, they have little choice to move on ... and it effectively will end McDermott's career.
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Such a weird phrase to come out of someone's mouth, especially since its not the 80s or something. Seems like he owned up and hopes to grow as a person. Its not like he deflected his responsibility and didnt own up to it, like so many other people do with their "apologies".
Its not right what he said, but noone is perfect. We can only hope people change and become more aware of their words and the impact they have.
While this is undoubtedly true, Creighton may legit feel that he can change and become more aware on someone else's dime.
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I think there are steps he can take and Creighton can take to save his job. For example, take 1/4 of his salary for the next couple years and fund diversity sensitivity classes for the university and community. Greg attends.
The details can be worked out, but something on that track.
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Like others have said, I think he's gone after the season.
It's one thing for this year's players to want an experienced coach to keep coaching them when they're having a good season. It's another for a coach to recruit new players with a story like that floating around. And it isn't a story abut something he said or did years ago; it's something he said in the middle of today's social and racial tensions.
Maybe he can salvage it, but it would be an uphill climb.
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Based on what we know today, I hope McDermott can survive this.
Greg shouldn't say racially insensitive things. I don't feel bad for him
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Leave colloquialisms out of your speeches. Unfortunate use of that phrase but I have heard it used a long time ago. Think about the alternative choices he could have used: "Circle the wagons" or "Gather the troops". Not good either in today's world but they are used even today in sports or media. Is there one of us who has not used those two phrases?
Unless there is something else that comes out, his mistake is something we can all learn from. He apologized, he is getting penalized, and he is contrite.
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Who TF even says the word plantation? How is that in your lexicon?
I mean it is Nebraska...
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I've never heard that expression used in that way. It's a weird one to use tbh.
It will be interesting to see if he survives this. I could see it going either way. Gut says he steps down at the end of the year, but it's not a firmly held conviction.
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If this comment was the extent of it. I think he would probably survive it. My thought is based on comments from former players and some comments recently, this might be more than a one-time incident.
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Doesn't seem like this is the first instance though. If Justin Patton is anything to go off of.
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McD has done and said all the right things to apologize for a one time lapse in judgement. Assuming he is genuine (which only he would know) and assuming this isn't part of a pattern of behavior, I hope he learns and grows from this and is able to retain his job.
If it is part of a pattern of behavior, this reads as a lot less genuine and more about covering himself the first time he got caught.
Either way, this will severely limit his ability on the recruiting trail for a while. There are so many good college coaches and programs, why give time to the one who told his players to stay on the plantation? Creighton will ultimately need to decide what is best for their program moving forward.
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Doesn't seem like this is the first instance though. If Justin Patton is anything to go off of.
Yeah that's ominous
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Leave colloquialisms out of your speeches. Unfortunate use of that phrase but I have heard it used a long time ago. Think about the alternative choices he could have used: "Circle the wagons" or "Gather the troops". Not good either in today's world but they are used even today in sports or media. Is there one of us who has not used those two phrases?
Unless there is something else that comes out, his mistake is something we can all learn from. He apologized, he is getting penalized, and he is contrite.
Agree with all of this. I certainly heard that phrase from my parents growing up, along with its variant, "don't leave the reservation" (equal opportunity racism!).
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Based on what we know today, I hope McDermott can survive this. I believe strongly in second chances, especially when the offending party seems genuinely contrite and willing to work to improve.
But the reality is that if Creighton's administration sees this as something that can hurt the program going forward, they have little choice to move on ... and it effectively will end McDermott's career.
The AD and president flew out to cincinnati to meet with McDermott after this was found out. This is a mess. Under McDermott's social media apology, Zegarowski's dad offered support. immediately after that, their backup point guard's (Shareef Mitchell) brother responded that the Zegarowski's didn't understand because Marcus isn't black. Marcus then responded that he completely understands and is half black. Never good when the families of the starting point guard and backup point guard are arguing on social media over the significance of this.
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Leave colloquialisms out of your speeches. Unfortunate use of that phrase but I have heard it used a long time ago. Think about the alternative choices he could have used: "Circle the wagons" or "Gather the troops". Not good either in today's world but they are used even today in sports or media. Is there one of us who has not used those two phrases?
Unless there is something else that comes out, his mistake is something we can all learn from. He apologized, he is getting penalized, and he is contrite.
100% agree but help me with my ignorance, what's the origin of 'gather the troops'? plantation/reservation/down the river/wagons/etc I know the origins, but assumed 'gather the troops' was just a generic military reference
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Does anybody know why Mitchell played more than Mahoney vs. Nova?
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Greg shouldn't say racially insensitive things. I don't feel bad for him
Of course he shouldn't say racially insensitive things, and I didn't say I felt bad for him.
I said I believe in second chances and hope he can survive this. Which is quite different.
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Leave colloquialisms out of your speeches. Unfortunate use of that phrase but I have heard it used a long time ago. Think about the alternative choices he could have used: "Circle the wagons" or "Gather the troops". Not good either in today's world but they are used even today in sports or media. Is there one of us who has not used those two phrases?
Unless there is something else that comes out, his mistake is something we can all learn from. He apologized, he is getting penalized, and he is contrite.
Unfortunately Dr.B, when it comes to this particular subject, the world we're living in today doesn't permit mistakes or discussions. Now granted, I'm not sure that word has been used in 50+ years, but apologies won't get you very far. In light of the people that have lost their jobs over far less, and that McD maybe uttered similar things in the past, I would be surprised if he's back next season.
As an aside I just read that Boston Public Schools are canceling Advanced Work courses because there are too many Asian and White students. So in some cases, unlike McD, you're guilty for not admitting your guilty by existing. I don't think this is where we want to go as a society. Equality and Equity are entirely separate issues. I think we're getting very close to a Civil War if the trajectory continues. Every thing you have stated is fair Dr. B and 100% accurate. We should be able to make mistakes and learn from them. Sadly, this doesn't appear to be the case anymore when a certain dynamic is part of the equation.
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Unfortunately Dr.B, when it comes to this particular subject, the world we're living in today doesn't permit mistakes or discussions. Now granted, I'm not sure that word has been used in 50+ years, but apologies won't get you very far. In light of the people that have lost their jobs over far less, and that McD maybe uttered similar things in the past, I would be surprised if he's back next season.
As an aside I just read that Boston Public Schools are canceling Advanced Work courses because there are too many Asian and White students. So in some cases, unlike McD, you're guilty for not admitting your guilty by existing. I don't think this is where we want to go as a society. Equality and Equity are entirely separate issues. I think we're getting very close to a Civil War if the trajectory continues. Every thing you have stated is fair Dr. B and 100% accurate. We should be able to make mistakes and learn from them. Sadly, this doesn't appear to be the case anymore when a certain dynamic is part of the equation.
Muggsy I invite you to fact check your sources and not just repeat inflammatory headlines. What you're doing currently is only fanning flames rather than investigating reality.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/boston-schools-white-asian/
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Yeah, let's not push this over to IBTL territory ...
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Unfortunately Dr.B, when it comes to this particular subject, the world we're living in today doesn't permit mistakes or discussions.
Please. Plenty of people have done and said worse without recourse. But if you are in a high-profile position, you have to be better. Period.
As an aside I just read that Boston Public Schools are canceling Advanced Work courses because there are too many Asian and White students.
FFS.
That's not what happened and that's not the reason. Please try to get your news from better sources.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/education/2021/02/26/citing-racial-inequities-boston-public-schools-suspend-advanced-learning-classes
**The program has not been "cancelled"
**New enrollments have been suspended because they cannot equally administer the test in a remote learning environment.
**Yes, they are concerned about why even in disproportionately minority schools, the majority of the students enrolled are white. There could be any number of reasons for this. Perhaps the program has outlived its usefulness and something new needs to be developed.
I think we're getting very close to a Civil War if the trajectory continues.
Because one side keeps getting manipulated to think that society is falling apart around them. "OH MY GOD THEY AREN'T GOING TO PUBLISH SIX OF DR. SUESS'S BOOKS ANYMORE!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOCIETY!!!???!!!"
If the same publisher makes the same decision without announcing it, no one would no or care. But its got one side ginned up to the point of absurdity.
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I agree Fluffy finding racism in everything these days is absurd. Meanwhile millions of Americans of all races interact with each other each day working, eating at play etc. without any racial rancor. But that is not what makes headlines .
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Please. Plenty of people have done and said worse without recourse. But if you are in a high-profile position, you have to be better. Period.
FFS.
That's not what happened and that's not the reason. Please try to get your news from better sources.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/education/2021/02/26/citing-racial-inequities-boston-public-schools-suspend-advanced-learning-classes
**The program has not been "cancelled"
**New enrollments have been suspended because they cannot equally administer the test in a remote learning environment.
**Yes, they are concerned about why even in disproportionately minority schools, the majority of the students enrolled are white. There could be any number of reasons for this. Perhaps the program has outlived its usefulness and something new needs to be developed.
Because one side keeps getting manipulated to think that society is falling apart around them. "OH MY GOD THEY AREN'T GOING TO PUBLISH SIX OF DR. SUESS'S BOOKS ANYMORE!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOCIETY!!!???!!!"
If the same publisher makes the same decision without announcing it, no one would no or care. But its got one side ginned up to the point of absurdity.
All of this, Fluffy. Well said
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Muggsy I invite you to fact check your sources and not just repeat inflammatory headlines. What you're doing currently is only fanning flames rather than investigating reality.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/boston-schools-white-asian/
Sounds like a two tiered school system to me. How more in depth learning can there be for fourth grade math. There should be no excuse for fourth graders not knowing how to add, subtract, multiply and divide because having those skills fractions, decimals, and percentages are easily understood. At those grade levels a test should be used not separate high scorers and put them in a special class but to give remedial help to those students who did not score as well so they can catch up.
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Sounds like a two tiered school system to me. How more in depth learning can there be for fourth grade math. There should be no excuse for fourth graders not knowing how to add, subtract, multiply and divide because having those skills fractions, decimals, and percentages are easily understood. At those grade levels a test should be used not separate high scorers and put them in a special class but to give remedial help to those students who did not score as well so they can catch up.
Agreed.
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Snopes is not regarded as the most reliable checker of facts.
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Unfortunately Dr.B, when it comes to this particular subject, the world we're living in today doesn't permit mistakes or discussions. Now granted, I'm not sure that word has been used in 50+ years, but apologies won't get you very far. In light of the people that have lost their jobs over far less, and that McD maybe uttered similar things in the past, I would be surprised if he's back next season.
As an aside I just read that Boston Public Schools are canceling Advanced Work courses because there are too many Asian and White students. So in some cases, unlike McD, you're guilty for not admitting your guilty by existing. I don't think this is where we want to go as a society. Equality and Equity are entirely separate issues. I think we're getting very close to a Civil War if the trajectory continues. Every thing you have stated is fair Dr. B and 100% accurate. We should be able to make mistakes and learn from them. Sadly, this doesn't appear to be the case anymore when a certain dynamic is part of the equation.
exactly. it doesn't matter if there was no intent, he's obviously a racist. It doesn't matter that he's been an advocate for African-American players for years, he's a racist for saying something dumb without malice aforethought one time. It doesn't matter that he supported a Black player who was suspended by the university after he was accused of sexual assault, he obviously didn't do enough and is a racist. If he had said "you guys need to try harder" that would be racist since it's been determined that saying that (and the "Protestant Work Ethic") is rooted in racism. Dana O'Neill of the Athletic referred to McDermott's words as "hateful" and "horrific" and that it would be justified that him yelling at his players can be construed at racist.
While you are incorrect about exactly what is going on in Boston (it's still stupid), we've entered an era where teachers requiring students to show work and getting the right answer in Math is racist, imperialist, and a tool of white supremacy. We have a professor at USC using a Chinese word during a lesson on "filler words" was suspended because the word SOUNDED like a racist term used in the English language to some students. Or the female principal fired because, according to her boss, she "unintentionally offended" some people when she shared an opinion about the BLM organization. Hell, my wife was called a "white privilege b---h" because she got out of our car and directed traffic because an impromptu BLM car parade was ignoring stop lights and causing a large back-up on a freeway off-ramp. She's Asian but for her to be a target is ok because of the privilege she's been told she's benefitted from by being a first-gen "anchor baby" whose family fled political persecution. Her family's academic accomplishments are proof that she's benefitted from white supremacy, which was a reason she was rejected to mentor minority interns.
This is why 62% of individuals in a recent poll, including 52% of Democrats, are scared of what they say and feel the need to "self-censor" for fear of being accused of racism or intolerance. McDermott said something dumb, he made a bad choice of words. His life should not be ruined by it.
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Please. Plenty of people have done and said worse without recourse. But if you are in a high-profile position, you have to be better. Period.
FFS.
I read that they were canceling 5th and 6th grade enrollment for next year. The source may be wrong, ty.
That's not what happened and that's not the reason. Please try to get your news from better sources.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/education/2021/02/26/citing-racial-inequities-boston-public-schools-suspend-advanced-learning-classes
**The program has not been "cancelled"
**New enrollments have been suspended because they cannot equally administer the test in a remote learning environment.
**Yes, they are concerned about why even in disproportionately minority schools, the majority of the students enrolled are white. There could be any number of reasons for this. Perhaps the program has outlived its usefulness and something new needs to be developed.
Because one side keeps getting manipulated to think that society is falling apart around them. "OH MY GOD THEY AREN'T GOING TO PUBLISH SIX OF DR. SUESS'S BOOKS ANYMORE!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOCIETY!!!???!!!"
If the same publisher makes the same decision without announcing it, no one would no or care. But its got one side ginned up to the point of absurdity.
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exactly. it doesn't matter if there was no intent, he's obviously a racist. It doesn't matter that he's been an advocate for African-American players for years, he's a racist for saying something dumb without malice aforethought one time. It doesn't matter that he supported a Black player who was suspended by the university after he was accused of sexual assault, he obviously didn't do enough and is a racist. If he had said "you guys need to try harder" that would be racist since it's been determined that saying that (and the "Protestant Work Ethic") is rooted in racism. Dana O'Neill of the Athletic referred to McDermott's words as "hateful" and "horrific" and that it would be justified that him yelling at his players can be construed at racist.
While you are incorrect about exactly what is going on in Boston (it's still stupid), we've entered an era where teachers requiring students to show work and getting the right answer in Math is racist, imperialist, and a tool of white supremacy. We have a professor at USC using a Chinese word during a lesson on "filler words" was suspended because the word SOUNDED like a racist term used in the English language to some students. Hell, my wife was called a "white privilege b---h" because she got out of our car and directed traffic because an impromptu BLM parade was ignoring stop lights and causing a large back-up on a freeway off-ramp. She's Asian but for her to be a target is ok because of the privilege of being a first-gen "anchor baby" whose family fled political persecution.
This is why 62% of individuals in a recent poll, including 52% of Democrats, are scared of what they say and feel the need to "self-censor" for fear of being accused of racism or intolerance. McDermott said something dumb, he made a bad choice of words. His life should not be ruined by it.
In this thread so far, the word "racist" has been used 8 times.
The first was brew quoting Terrence Rencher as saying he "never witnessed any racist energy" from McDermott.
The other 7 are in this screed of yours.
In other words, no Scoopers called McDermott racist.
What some of us have said is that he made a racially insensitive comment. In fact, he said that himself and profusely apologized for it.
But yes, as usual, let's turn this discussion into a familiar theme:
White males just can't catch a break in America.
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exactly. it doesn't matter if there was no intent, he's obviously a racist. It doesn't matter that he's been an advocate for African-American players for years, he's a racist for saying something dumb without malice aforethought one time. It doesn't matter that he supported a Black player who was suspended by the university after he was accused of sexual assault, he obviously didn't do enough and is a racist. If he had said "you guys need to try harder" that would be racist since it's been determined that saying that (and the "Protestant Work Ethic") is rooted in racism. Dana O'Neill of the Athletic referred to McDermott's words as "hateful" and "horrific" and that it would be justified that him yelling at his players can be construed at racist.
While you are incorrect about exactly what is going on in Boston (it's still stupid), we've entered an era where teachers requiring students to show work and getting the right answer in Math is racist, imperialist, and a tool of white supremacy. We have a professor at USC using a Chinese word during a lesson on "filler words" was suspended because the word SOUNDED like a racist term used in the English language to some students. Or the female principal fired because, according to her boss, she "unintentionally offended" some people when she shared an opinion about the BLM organization. Hell, my wife was called a "white privilege b---h" because she got out of our car and directed traffic because an impromptu BLM car parade was ignoring stop lights and causing a large back-up on a freeway off-ramp. She's Asian but for her to be a target is ok because of the privilege she's been told she's benefitted from by being a first-gen "anchor baby" whose family fled political persecution. Her family's academic accomplishments are proof that she's benefitted from white supremacy, which was a reason she was rejected to mentor minority interns.
This is why 62% of individuals in a recent poll, including 52% of Democrats, are scared of what they say and feel the need to "self-censor" for fear of being accused of racism or intolerance. McDermott said something dumb, he made a bad choice of words. His life should not be ruined by it.
I'm sure you are really struggling to make your way in this oppressive society.
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wat happened here?
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Sounds like a two tiered school system to me. How more in depth learning can there be for fourth grade math. There should be no excuse for fourth graders not knowing how to add, subtract, multiply and divide because having those skills fractions, decimals, and percentages are easily understood. At those grade levels a test should be used not separate high scorers and put them in a special class but to give remedial help to those students who did not score as well so they can catch up.
There can be quite a bit more in depth learning in 4th, 5th,and 6th grade math.
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Sounds like a two tiered school system to me. How more in depth learning can there be for fourth grade math. There should be no excuse for fourth graders not knowing how to add, subtract, multiply and divide because having those skills fractions, decimals, and percentages are easily understood. At those grade levels a test should be used not separate high scorers and put them in a special class but to give remedial help to those students who did not score as well so they can catch up.
Which is why programs like the ones Boston has had have been going out of style.
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Who had McDermott getting axed before Wojo on their Scoop Bingo card?
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Does anyone know how to put people on ignore?
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Does anyone know how to put people on ignore?
Something like go to your profile. Click buddy list/ignore list click ignore list and find the poster you're trying to ignore
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Thank you
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In this thread so far, the word "racist" has been used 8 times.
The first was brew quoting Terrence Rencher as saying he "never witnessed any racist energy" from McDermott.
The other 7 are in this screed of yours.
In other words, no Scoopers called McDermott racist.
What some of us have said is that he made a racially insensitive comment. In fact, he said that himself and profusely apologized for it.
But yes, as usual, let's turn this discussion into a familiar theme:
White males just can't catch a break in America.
No, but the media is. Deadspin had a headline that "Creighton has failed every black player and coach that’s ever been in Greg McDermott’s program." Defector, ("extremely racist"), USA Today, SBNation, the Omaha World, ESPN, The Athletics, and others have referred to his statement/actions as "racist" and that his apology is not enough. A well-known sports anchor from SNY has called out other coaches like Izzo, Self, and Boeheim to condemn him or be labeled as racists themselves. It's why the current cottage industry is the "anti-racism" movement and people like Ibrahim X Kendi can make tens of thousands per appearance to speak to college campuses.
it has nothing to do with your "white males" claim, which is usually a default of the woke crowd. Asians and Latinos/Latinas are being tarred with the "racist" label too.
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No, but the media is. Deadspin had a headline that "Creighton has failed every black player and coach that’s ever been in Greg McDermott’s program." Defector, ("extremely racist"), USA Today, SBNation, the Omaha World, ESPN, The Athletics, and others have referred to his statement/actions as "racist" and that his apology is not enough. A well-known sports anchor from SNY has called out other coaches like Izzo, Self, and Boeheim to condemn him or be labeled as racists themselves. It's why the current cottage industry is the "anti-racism" movement and people like Ibrahim X Kendi can make tens of thousands per appearance to speak to college campuses.
it has nothing to do with your "white males" claim, which is usually a default of the woke crowd. Asians and Latinos/Latinas are being tarred with the "racist" label too.
You might want to hold off in painting McDermott as a victim (though not surprising you would). There seems to be more than one person suggesting this isn't a one off thing for him.
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If I was a Creighton fan, I’m not sure how sorry I’d be to see McDermott go. The guy’s teams don’t perform well in March, and I don’t think he’s all that different from Wojo. Good enough to stick around, never quite bad enough to get fired.
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No, but the media is. Deadspin had a headline that "Creighton has failed every black player and coach that’s ever been in Greg McDermott’s program." Defector, ("extremely racist"), USA Today, SBNation, the Omaha World, ESPN, The Athletics, and others have referred to his statement/actions as "racist" and that his apology is not enough. A well-known sports anchor from SNY has called out other coaches like Izzo, Self, and Boeheim to condemn him or be labeled as racists themselves. It's why the current cottage industry is the "anti-racism" movement and people like Ibrahim X Kendi can make tens of thousands per appearance to speak to college campuses.
it has nothing to do with your "white males" claim, which is usually a default of the woke crowd. Asians and Latinos/Latinas are being tarred with the "racist" label too.
Your first paragraph, while entirely true, fails to show where any of this is going to make a difference in McDermott's employment. Creighton isn't going to fire him based on what a bunch of media personalities say. They are going to fire him when those on the inside lose confidence in him, including his players, and because it impacts recruiting.
So if McDermott does lose his job over this, here is who is to blame:
1. McDermott
2. McDermott
3. McDermott
4. People on the inside with true impact on the program feeling that he can no longer do the job based on his statements.
5. The outside media.
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If I was a Creighton fan, I’m not sure how sorry I’d be to see McDermott go. The guy’s teams don’t perform well in March, and I don’t think he’s all that different from Wojo. Good enough to stick around, never quite bad enough to get fired.
He oversaw the leap from the Valley to the Big East and it was largely seamless. He’s still winning a lot in a place far off the usual Big East map. Having Doug helped make the transition but they’ve done better overall than I would have guessed
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He oversaw the leap from the Valley to the Big East and it was largely seamless. He’s still winning a lot in a place far off the usual Big East map. Having Doug helped make the transition but they’ve done better overall than I would have guessed
I actually thing Ethan Wragge was the key to that first team. Obviously Doug was a stellar talent but Wragge would light you up from outside so you couldn't double Doug.
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No, but the media is. Deadspin had a headline that "Creighton has failed every black player and coach that’s ever been in Greg McDermott’s program." Defector, ("extremely racist"), USA Today, SBNation, the Omaha World, ESPN, The Athletics, and others have referred to his statement/actions as "racist" and that his apology is not enough. A well-known sports anchor from SNY has called out other coaches like Izzo, Self, and Boeheim to condemn him or be labeled as racists themselves. It's why the current cottage industry is the "anti-racism" movement and people like Ibrahim X Kendi can make tens of thousands per appearance to speak to college campuses.
it has nothing to do with your "white males" claim, which is usually a default of the woke crowd. Asians and Latinos/Latinas are being tarred with the "racist" label too.
Ah ... the media ... the default of the "I'm a victim" crowd.
His statement, even if he didn't mean it that way (and who knows, except for him) WAS racist. It doesn't mean he is a racist (or that he isn't one, again only he knows).
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If I was a Creighton fan, I’m not sure how sorry I’d be to see McDermott go. The guy’s teams don’t perform well in March, and I don’t think he’s all that different from Wojo. Good enough to stick around, never quite bad enough to get fired.
Reasonable post. He has done only marginally better than Wojo.
And hell, the way his team blew that lead on 1/9/19 should have been a fire-able offense right there!
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When in history have the people who ban books and censor speech been the good guys?
Asking for a friencd
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When in history have the people who ban books and censor speech been the good guys?
Asking for a friencd
Immediately Post WW2? In E and W Germany
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When in history have the people who ban books and censor speech been the good guys?
Asking for a friencd
The government should not ban books or censor speech.
Answering for a friend.
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Boy, I don't know if I would be excited about getting rid of McDermott under normal circumstances. He is coaching a BE team in Nebraska and is arguably the best coach in their history outside of Dana Altman.
Last year they won the BE regular season and were projected as high as a two-seed in the tournament.
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When in history have the people who ban books and censor speech been the good guys?
Asking for a friencd
Who is banning books or censoring speech?
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I actually thing Ethan Wragge was the key to that first team. Obviously Doug was a stellar talent but Wragge would light you up from outside so you couldn't double Doug.
He was amazing. Those were fun teams
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If McD is toast are there any recruits or players there we can poach?
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Would you want McDermott at Marquette after these comments?
No.
He's done.
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Who is banning books or censoring speech?
Dude! Dr. Seuss. Cancel culture etc.etc.
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Eh, maybe. He said he immediately apologized, and it is the first time something like this has come up with him. If there was more to it, there would be more reports from players and coworkers... sort of like there was with Gregg Marshall.
I think this story is over unless other past allegations arise.
I agree 100%. I doubt many blacks were offended - although I do not presume to speak for them.
It's pretty easy to spot racists whether here on Scoop or in the real world. McDermott isn't one of them and I expect little fallout.
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Dude! Dr. Seuss. Cancel culture etc.etc.
The company that owns the rights to publish Dr. Suess books is deciding not to publish them. That's not "banning books." It's a private company making a decision that private companies make.
And who is censoring speech? No one is being arrested for saying things. People are facing consequences for the free speech they execute, but that's always been the case.
Cancel culture just isn't really a thing outside of another way conservatives have turned themselves into the victim-class.
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I agree 100%. I doubt many blacks were offended - although I do not presume to speak for them.
It's pretty easy to spot racists whether here on Scoop or in the real world. McDermott isn't one of them and I expect little fallout.
Unless there is more to the story or it starts impacting the team and/or recruiting, I expect him to still be in Omaha.
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If McD is toast are there any recruits or players there we can poach?
I believe the big east has a rule that prohibits players from enrolling at other Big East institutions once they sign their letter of intent with a Big east school. This came up a few years ago when we speculated about a transfer from new Mexico coming to MU but found he couldn't because he had previously signed with butler
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Sounds like a two tiered school system to me. How more in depth learning can there be for fourth grade math. There should be no excuse for fourth graders not knowing how to add, subtract, multiply and divide because having those skills fractions, decimals, and percentages are easily understood. At those grade levels a test should be used not separate high scorers and put them in a special class but to give remedial help to those students who did not score as well so they can catch up.
They do this in all white private catholic schools as well. Kids are placed in different math classes than their peers based on their grades and abilities starting in fourth grade. It sets the more mathematically inclined ones up for advancement and highschool AP courses and the others for the regular track. The mathematically inclined kids benefit nicely and aren’t bored while waiting for others to catch up. The “normal” kids benefit from not going so fast an learning at a pace that allows them time to absorb the material. Both sets of kids are wildly successful in their studies in high school. Some kids are just smarter than others in different subjects and need to be challenged.
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The company that owns the rights to publish Dr. Suess books is deciding not to publish them. That's not "banning books." It's a private company making a decision that private companies make.
And who is censoring speech? No one is being arrested for saying things. People are facing consequences for the free speech they execute, but that's always been the case.
Cancel culture just isn't really a thing outside of another way conservatives have turned themselves into the victim-class.
That's not what Fox said though!
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I believe the big east has a rule that prohibits players from enrolling at other Big East institutions once they sign their letter of intent with a Big east school. This came up a few years ago when we speculated about a transfer from new Mexico coming to MU but found he couldn't because he had previously signed with butler
Thought that was challenged in the court with Uthoff and they held that you can't enforce school transfer restrictions.
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Thought that was challenged in the court with Uthoff and they held that you can't enforce school transfer restrictions.
The Uhoff thing wasn't challenged in court. The NCAA used to allow coaches to nix transfers to certain schools. That is no longer the case. Bo just caved to pressure.
TAMU is talking about a Big East rule - which should probably just go away.
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Cancel culture just isn't really a thing outside of another way conservatives have turned themselves into the victim-class.
Jay Williams on ESPN said on Wednesday it's a "thing". I'm guessing he isn't a conservative.
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Jay Williams on ESPN said on Wednesday it's a "thing". I'm guessing he isn't a conservative.
Cool.
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lol lotta very serious concerns going around.
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Thought that was challenged in the court with Uthoff and they held that you can't enforce school transfer restrictions.
I think you are thinking of Ben Brust. He signed with Iowa and they had a coaching change. Wisconsin wanted him but there was the LOI within the same conference rule. Wisconsin appealed and Brust was able to come to Wisconsin.
That was 2 years before the Uthoff transfer but one of the reasons Bo got heat for his actions.
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Jay Williams on ESPN said on Wednesday it's a "thing". I'm guessing he isn't a conservative.
Cuz all blacks look think alike?
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When in history have the people who ban books and censor speech been the good guys?
Asking for a friencd
I see this all the time. You are confused about what censoring speech is and what it isn't. Being free of repercussions from your speech is an entirely different thing.
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They do this in all white private catholic schools as well. Kids are placed in different math classes than their peers based on their grades and abilities starting in fourth grade. It sets the more mathematically inclined ones up for advancement and highschool AP courses and the others for the regular track. The mathematically inclined kids benefit nicely and aren’t bored while waiting for others to catch up. The “normal” kids benefit from not going so fast an learning at a pace that allows them time to absorb the material. Both sets of kids are wildly successful in their studies in high school. Some kids are just smarter than others in different subjects and need to be challenged.
Yes. One of my best friend's took calculus as a Freshman at Northwestern in HS and had perfect math board scores. He also wasn't the only HS Freshman taking college math courses. He was probably more advanced than our 4th grade teacher when he was 9 yrs old. He was bored out of his mind in mathematics based subjects until he got into a special advanced group in 7th grade. So the idea of "how much can a 4th grader really know" whether it be mathematics or a number of other subjects is ludicrous.
In fact, our brains grasp far more information when we are children. Linguists will tell you that if you raise an average child in a household where there are 20 people speaking 10 different languages they will learn all ten fluently
rather easily. An average adult would find this nearly impossible. And math in particular, for those that are born with certain talents, manifests itself in music and chess as examples. There's much to learn at every age and level, and my friend is not a genius. So how much can you really learn at 9, 10, 11, 12? A ton is the answer.
Cuz all blacks look think alike?
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Dude! Dr. Seuss. Cancel culture etc.etc.
The decision to stop publishing those 6 particular Seuss titles was made by his heirs that run the estate...made in 2020, while Drumpf was President FWIW.
Cancel culture is now the catch-all term for any criticism of the right wing.
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Jay Williams on ESPN said on Wednesday it's a "thing". I'm guessing he isn't a conservative.
Well that settles it then.
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I see this all the time. You are confused about what censoring speech is and what it isn't. Being free of repercussions from your speech is an entirely different thing.
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png)
https://xkcd.com/1357/
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Well, I doubt Greg knew what he had coming when this conversation started on scoop...
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(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png)
https://xkcd.com/1357/
Amen and alleluia.
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The decision to stop publishing those 6 particular Seuss was made be his heirs that run the estate...made in 2020, while Drumpf was President FWIW.
Cancel culture is now the catch-all term for any criticism of the right wing.
So the SF schoolboard getting rid of all school names with Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln in the title is a "criticism of the right wing"? There have been many people "canceled" that are not "right wing". Ask Diane Feinstein.
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The decision to stop publishing those 6 particular Seuss was made be his heirs that run the estate...made in 2020, while Drumpf was President FWIW.
Cancel culture is now the catch-all term for any criticism of the right wing.
This. The Seuss estate asked to remove the books. The imagery is pretty bad.
I love seeing people ordering Seuss books now. Your kids are 10 and 7, you should’ve had Green Eggs and Ham by now. Don’t pretend that you read to your kids now.
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This. The Seuss estate asked to remove the books. The imagery is pretty bad.
I love seeing people ordering Seuss books now. Your kids are 10 and 7, you should’ve had Green Eggs and Ham by now. Don’t pretend that you read to your kids now.
Wait until all the people hurrying to buy their Dr. Seuss books find out that Planned Parenthood is one of the organizations benefitting financially from the Dr. Seuss Fund.
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I see this all the time. You are confused about what censoring speech is and what it isn't. Being free of repercussions from your speech is an entirely different thing.
Care to elaborate? Repercussions are one thing banning speech you don't agree with is quite another
when you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world you are afraid of what he might say. George R.R.Martin
As for Shouting racist instead of engaging contrary ideas Socrates opined " When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of losers" We are seeing far too much shouting down and canceling to be healthy
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Using Defector or Deadspin headlines or content as a barometer for something “woke” is as bad as using OANN or Fox News. Equally hysterical and heavy handed, just opposite sides of the spectrum. If anyone in a position of power is using that to temper their sentiment or opinion on your words/actions and as a result your employment, you’re probably better off elsewhere anyways
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Wojo to Creighton?
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Care to elaborate? Repercussions are one thing banning speech you don't agree with is quite another
when you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world you are afraid of what he might say. George R.R.Martin
As for Shouting racist instead of engaging contrary ideas Socrates opined " When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of losers" We are seeing far too much shouting down and canceling to be healthy
Sorry, but instead of quoting people in an attempt to sound wise, please tell me whose tongue is getting cut out here. And what "debate" are we actually having. Whether using the word plantation is a good idea?
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If I were a mod I'd use cancel culture to cancel this thread.
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If I were a mod I'd use cancel culture to cancel this thread.
You must have voted for Biden
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Jay Williams on ESPN said on Wednesday it's a "thing". I'm guessing he isn't a conservative.
I guess Jay was talking about House Republicans' attempts to cancel Liz Cheney and the NC GOP caucus canceling Richard Burr.
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Wait until all the people hurrying to buy their Dr. Seuss books find out that Planned Parenthood is one of the organizations benefitting financially from the Dr. Seuss Fund.
And that Theodor Geisel was very much anti "America First" as he saw it as aiding, at a minimum, the fascism occurring in Germany at the time and reviled the fact we were not taking refugees across our boarders. But yeah, the image of that Asian guy running down Mulberry Street with the slanted eyes, bowl of noodles, and chopsticks is something I want to defend in2021.
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Jay Williams on ESPN said on Wednesday it's a "thing". I'm guessing he isn't a conservative.
Free advice. Me to you. Don’t watch ESPlibN. Don’t put any stock in this Fluffy character. Be proud to be American. Embrace Lincoln. Love the Marquette WARRIORS.
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Wojo to Creighton?
how bout McDermott to Marquette?
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The decision to stop publishing those 6 particular Seuss was made be his heirs that run the estate...made in 2020, while Drumpf was President FWIW.
Cancel culture is now the catch-all term for any criticism of the right wing.
did savior Obama have an issue?
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Ah ... the media ... the default of the "I'm a victim" crowd.
His statement, even if he didn't mean it that way (and who knows, except for him) WAS racist. It doesn't mean he is a racist (or that he isn't one, again only he knows).
whatever you say, PCMU82...after all, you are always right.
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did savior Obama have an issue?
If he didn't have an issue with Biden's asinine comments towards him and others I would think he was not offended by Dr. S.
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how bout McDermott to Marquette?
Hell no.
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Hell no.
ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what’s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he’ll no? Just asking.
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ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what’s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he’ll no? Just asking.
The questions will always linger and it will be used against him in recruitment. It will also probably hurt him in hiring top assistants as well. Then the university will have to answer a lot of questions about why they hired him. If he is let got go by Creighton, he’ll have options. He can rebuild his reputation at a smaller institution where the spotlight is less bright or perhaps the NBA as an assistant
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ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what’s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he’ll no? Just asking.
Hell no too. Because as I've alluded to in this thread, he's going to have trouble on the recruiting trail. Recruits that were deciding between McDermott and another coach will have an easier time avoiding the guy that wants them on the plantation.
I don't know McDermott and, as far as his coaching, don't think it matters what's in his heart. What's in the public eye is comments that will be used to negatively recruit against him and make it harder for him to do his job at a high level.
We already see what it's like having a coach with one hand tied behind his back tactically, why deliberately hire one who's similarly hamstrung on the recruiting trail?
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As for Shouting racist instead of engaging contrary ideas Socrates opined " When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of losers" We are seeing far too much shouting down and canceling to be healthy
Just fyi, Socrates never said, er, "opined" that.
The Venn diagram of people whining loudest about so-called cancel culture and those who claimed to boycott the NFL over Colin Kaepernick is pretty much overlapping circles.
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Dude! Dr. Seuss. Cancel culture etc.etc.
The company is CHOOSING not to publish them anymore...just like Creighton has the right to CHOOSE whether to retain or fire McDermott.
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Just fyi, Socrates never said, er, "opined" that.
The Venn diagram of people whining loudest about so-called cancel culture and those who claimed to boycott the NFL over Colin Kaepernick is pretty much overlapping circles.
Hah that’s an excellent point.
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ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what%u2019s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he%u2019ll no? Just asking.
I would tell GD every year when he walked out of the Bradley Center tunnel that Doug ruined the Bulls, so yeah I know him.
Other than that, he is a known cheater. And a clearly has issues with race. I do not need to know someone personally to know a racist, just like having a really good feeling about posters here.
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ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what’s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he’ll no? Just asking.
ok. Question. Do you know President Obama? Do you know what's in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he'll no? Just asking. (sic.....on all of it)
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ok. Question. Do you know President Obama? Do you know what's in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he'll no? Just asking. (sic.....on all of it)
Obama is not the subject, McDermott is. Nice try.
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ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what’s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he’ll no? Just asking.
The issue is not with what’s in his heart. It’s with what he says and does.
And what he said could very well impact recruiting, whether he stays at Creighton or goes elsewhere.
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ok. Question. Do you know Coach McDermott? Do you know what’s in his heart? Are you aware of his outreach? Why, he’ll no? Just asking.
Do you know him? What’s in his heart?
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Care to elaborate? Repercussions are one thing banning speech you don't agree with is quite another
Is Greg McDermott banned from speaking? Is he going to be arrested by the government for what he says?
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did savior Obama have an issue?
Did he have an issue...about what???
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did savior Obama have an issue?
(https://nextshark.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/222.jpg)
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whatever you say, PCMU82...after all, you are always right.
What a burn. Ouch.
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Obama is not the subject, McDermott is. Nice try.
So you brought up President Obama, and the insane logic about 'knowing what was in the heart" of another man, then it was presented back to you and you give it the ole "nice try".
Perfect! You're moments away from making #ScoopTakes
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Suspended from all team activities
Creighton handled every aspect of this about as poorly as you could have
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Nightmare.
Suspend him now???
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I’d guess more came out.
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Just fyi, Socrates never said, er, "opined" that.
The Venn diagram of people whining loudest about so-called cancel culture and those who claimed to boycott the NFL over Colin Kaepernick is pretty much overlapping circles.
His version of the facts say he did.
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The issue is not with what’s in his heart. It’s with what he says and does.
And what he said could very well impact recruiting, whether he stays at Creighton or goes elsewhere.
This is a rare occasion when I disagree with you, Goooo.
I think recruits (and their parents) will judge him on his merits when they talk to him. I have heard people say "stay on the plantation" or the equally offensive "don't go off the reservation" many times in my life. Unless I already had a reason to think they were racist, saying that did not alter my perception of them at all. I think a lot of people his age (or mine) heard these things many times at a young age in a very different world and never stopped to think about the origins. Sadly, on the spur of the moment the phrase is used.
It is good to see that he was called out for it though. Lessons can be learned. His reaction was also important. If I was a recruit or a parent of a recruit, I would worry a lot more about a coach throwing around accusations of racism than I would be about Coach McDermott.
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Suspended from all team activities
Creighton handled every aspect of this about as poorly as you could have
Now this is Cancel Culture.
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This is a rare occasion when I disagree with you, Goooo.
I think recruits (and their parents) will judge him on his merits when they talk to him. I have heard people say "stay on the plantation" or the equally offensive "don't go off the reservation" many times in my life. Unless I already had a reason to think they were racist, saying that did not alter my perception of them at all. I think a lot of people his age (or mine) heard these things many times at a young age in a very different world and never stopped to think about the origins. Sadly, on the spur of the moment the phrase is used.
It is good to see that he was called out for it though. Lessons can be learned. His reaction was also important. If I was a recruit or a parent of a recruit, I would worry a lot more about a coach throwing around accusations of racism than I would be about Coach McDermott.
Perhaps...but I honestly have never heard someone make that comment in reference to a black person, so my immediate reaction is different from yours. I have heard plenty of racist words and references - my grandmother used the N-word more times than I can count - but 'back to the plantation' is a new one for me.
And if age is part of it, I would note that McDermott is only 56 years old...two years younger than me, and I believe younger than you too. Seems like that might give him a bit less leeway than someone in his 60s or 70s.
Anyhow, even if he is done at Creighton, he will get another chance somewhere, so he will have chances to convince recruits it was out of character.
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racist! fire now! ban from campus foreverrr!
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Now this is Cancel Culture.
No it really isn’t. Look back on some the accusations made about the program...then what recently happened.
Coaches can’t do this kind of stuff. And frankly it’s disheartening that so many are willing to make excuses for him without really knowing what’s going on.
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No it really isn’t. Look back on some the accusations made about the program...then what recently happened.
Coaches can’t do this kind of stuff. And frankly it’s disheartening that so many are willing to make excuses for him without really knowing what’s going on.
The people decrying cancel culture have been properly instructed that anyone (especially if they are white, or evoke nostalgia) who does or says something offensive to people that they are being 'cancelled'. As if people haven't lost jobs, fame, or power for their actions previous to 2016.
It's a stupid dog whistle for stupid people... not to mention a ton of people who have been 'cancelled' still hold their jobs, fame, and power after they've been 'cancelled'. So uhhhhh like, what negative consequences does being 'cancelled' exactly entail? Seems to be that about the only thing that happens is that the 'cancelled' person gets to play the victim for a week and then everything is forgotten until the next person is 'cancelled'. At which point, we drop that first name so we can add to the ever growing list of people who have been 'cancelled'.
In recent memory I can think of plenty of politicians that have claimed to be 'cancelled'. Ted Cruz comes to mind first. But what have been his consequences? He didn't resign. He pretended to hand out water in a empty parking lot. Then a few days later he got to speak in front of CPAC about how he had been cancelled? Excuse me? How exactly was Ted Cruz's life changed since he has been 'cancelled'. What a load of crap.
So stop being played. There is no such thing as cancel culture. It's your new dog whistle, just like 'fake news' was for years... just like every simplistic bit of jargon that gets created in a board room and passed down by the media for you consume.
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They do this in all white private catholic schools as well. Kids are placed in different math classes than their peers based on their grades and abilities starting in fourth grade. It sets the more mathematically inclined ones up for advancement and highschool AP courses and the others for the regular track. The mathematically inclined kids benefit nicely and aren’t bored while waiting for others to catch up. The “normal” kids benefit from not going so fast an learning at a pace that allows them time to absorb the material. Both sets of kids are wildly successful in their studies in high school. Some kids are just smarter than others in different subjects and need to be challenged.
Really? The Catholic Schools in my Diocese (Trenton, NJ) are 40% white and 60% black or latino. In fact my parish which does not have a school pays free tuition for 10 minority high school students each year and the black students are for the most part not even Catholic.
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My only point was that accelerated classes happen in all white schools as well using it as an example that the overall practice is not a form of discrimination. I did not mean to imply catholic schools have predominantly white students.
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I’d guess more came out.
Has to, right? If they only thing he did was utter that phrase, with the way he handled it afterwards I would think he would have gotten past it. But with former players speaking up...looking like there is more to the story.
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The people decrying cancel culture have been properly instructed that anyone (especially if they are white, or evoke nostalgia) who does or says something offensive to people that they are being 'cancelled'. As if people haven't lost jobs, fame, or power for their actions previous to 2016.
It's a stupid dog whistle for stupid people... not to mention a ton of people who have been 'cancelled' still hold their jobs, fame, and power after they've been 'cancelled'. So uhhhhh like, what negative consequences does being 'cancelled' exactly entail? Seems to be that about the only thing that happens is that the 'cancelled' person gets to play the victim for a week and then everything is forgotten until the next person is 'cancelled'. At which point, we drop that first name so we can add to the ever growing list of people who have been 'cancelled'.
In recent memory I can think of plenty of politicians that have claimed to be 'cancelled'. Ted Cruz comes to mind first. But what have been his consequences? He didn't resign. He pretended to hand out water in a empty parking lot. Then a few days later he got to speak in front of CPAC about how he had been cancelled? Excuse me? How exactly was Ted Cruz's life changed since he has been 'cancelled'. What a load of crap.
So stop being played. There is no such thing as cancel culture. It's your new dog whistle, just like 'fake news' was for years... just like every simplistic bit of jargon that gets created in a board room and passed down by the media for you consume.
Cancel culture is accountability. Some will proactively say "Cancel Culture" to avoid accountability for their,.or someone they support's actions. Power and leverage vary in each situation. In politics, or even sports, a tribe or tribal supporter doesn't care about accountability, or facts. Some others of course, do. And of course supporters of a different tribe in sports or politics also don't care about accountability or facts, and aggressively go against the person or subject in the opposite way.
Accountability, and facts, vary in each situation. A tribe doesn't vary.
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At dis rate, Wojo will be the longest tenured Big East coach outside of J Wright sooner than later, hey?
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At dis rate, Wojo will be the longest tenured Big East coach outside of J Wright sooner than later, hey?
Is he only behind Wright Willard and Cooley?
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Free advice. Me to you. Don’t watch ESPlibN. Don’t put any stock in this Fluffy character. Be proud to be American. Embrace Lincoln. Love the Marquette WARRIORS.
Lincoln?! Lincoln would barf on you and every other MAGAt if he were living
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In recent memory I can think of plenty of politicians that have claimed to be 'cancelled'. Ted Cruz comes to mind first. But what have been his consequences? He didn't resign. He pretended to hand out water in a empty parking lot. Then a few days later he got to speak in front of CPAC about how he had been cancelled? Excuse me? How exactly was Ted Cruz's life changed since he has been 'cancelled'. What a load of crap.
Josh Hawley claimed to have been canceled ... in a front-page op-ed published by the nation's 6th largest newspaper.
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Josh Hawley claimed to have been canceled ... in a front-page op-ed published by the nation's 6th largest newspaper.
Was that before he actually tried to cancel Liz Cheney?
I’m pretty sure it was after he helped incite a murderous mob that wanted to permanently cancel Mike Pence.
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Was that before he actually tried to cancel Liz Cheney?
I’m pretty sure it was after he helped incite a murderous mob that wanted to permanently cancel Mike Pence.
And voted to cancel the votes of millions of Americans.
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So stop being played. There is no such thing as cancel culture. It's your new dog whistle, just like 'fake news' was for years... just like every simplistic bit of jargon that gets created in a board room and passed down by the media for you consume.
"Getting played" case in point.
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1367654147479265280?s=20
For a $25 donation, you get a copy of "The Cat in the Hat." A book that is going to continue to be published! ::) ::) ::)
Just like donating money to help "save the election" never really went to save the election. How many times y'all going to fall for this stuff???
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Now this is Cancel Culture.
A simple Hillary Clinton tweet from yesterday:
The party of "Freedom Fries" would like you to know that "cancel culture" is a very serious problem.
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"Getting played" case in point.
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1367654147479265280?s=20
For a $25 donation, you get a copy of "The Cat in the Hat." A book that is going to continue to be published! ::) ::) ::)
Just like donating money to help "save the election" never really went to save the election. How many times y'all going to fall for this stuff???
Would've been hilarious if it was the Lorax and they ended up raising a bunch of people in love with "the green new deal" 😂
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The pearl clutching about cancel culture is dumb and has nothing to do with McDermott. Anyone who tries to shoe horn McDermott into the culture battlefield of the day is doing so for purely cynical and opportunistic reasons. There are plenty of interesting and valuable things to discuss about McDermott, what he said, how he reacted, how Creighton is handling this, and how this may affect MU or the Big East, but "cancel culture" is not one of them.
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"Getting played" case in point.
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1367654147479265280?s=20
For a $25 donation, you get a copy of "The Cat in the Hat." A book that is going to continue to be published! ::) ::) ::)
Just like donating money to help "save the election" never really went to save the election. How many times y'all going to fall for this stuff???
Oh, not to mention this grift
At the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC, the least expensive room option is the deluxe king, ranging in size from 350 to 475 square feet. At this time of year, it normally runs anywhere from $476 to $596 per night.
Interestingly, on March 3 and 4, the same room is selling for $1,331 per night. That’s 180% above the base rate and more than double what you’d pay any other night in February or March, according to the hotel’s website.
The March 4 rate hike appears to be exclusive to the Trump International, notes Zach Everson in his 1100 Pennsylvania newsletter, which has diligently tracked the comings and goings at Trump International since the early days of Trump’s presidency. When Everson surveyed other DC luxury hotels — Four Seasons, Hay Adams, and St. Regis — he found that those hotels’ rates remain close to the norm on March 3 and 4.
https://www.forbes.com./sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/02/06/trumps-dc-hotel-is-jacking-up-rates-for-qanons-next-special-date/?sh=6666ebb9611b
Not sure, why the link breaks on this board, but if you copy and paste, it works fine.
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And voted to cancel the votes of millions of Americans.
To me, that's one of the biggest hypocrisies of the GOP. They lament 'cancel culture' at the same time they try to cancel the foundation of democracy for millions of Americans.
It's like when they lament government intrusion in peoples' lives, and then give full-throated support to the government telling a woman what she can do with her body.
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Isn't "cancel culture" just another word for capitalism?
Company (Creighton/NFL) puts out a product (men's basketball team/football).
A population of customers (left leaning/right leaning) doesn't like some aspect of the product (McD's racially insensitive comments/players kneeling during the national anthem).
Those customers make their displeasure known and withhold their dollars.
Company amends product to match the desires of their customers.
Customers are appeased and stop withholding their dollars.
Capitalism at its most beautiful.
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Isn't "cancel culture" just another word for capitalism?
Company (Creighton/NFL) puts out a product (men's basketball team/football).
A population of customers (left leaning/right leaning) doesn't like some aspect of the product (McD's racially insensitive comments/players kneeling during the national anthem).
Those customers make their displeasure known and withhold their dollars.
Company amends product to match the desires of their customers.
Customers are appeased and stop withholding their dollars.
Capitalism at it's most beautiful.
A lot of these same people are bragging about not supporting the Bucks and Brewers because they support BLM. It’s pretty exhausting at this point
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To me, that's one of the biggest hypocrisies of the GOP. They lament 'cancel culture' at the same time they try to cancel the foundation of democracy for millions of Americans.
It's like when they lament government intrusion in peoples' lives, and then give full-throated support to the government telling a woman what she can do with her body.
You forgot the body of the unborn child in question.
This isn't a woman getting a tattoo or piercing.
Be honest. You're talking about ending a human life.
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You forgot the body of the unborn child in question.
This isn't a woman getting a tattoo or piercing.
Be honest. You're talking about ending a human life.
Good god. Somebody just report the whole thread and it get it locked this isn't going to end well.
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Should we mercy Godwin it? Who wants to go first?
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Do you know him? What’s in his heart?
absolutely not...but I’m not the one condemning him.
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Suspended for final game.....I'd say he is probably down at Home Depot picking up some cardboard boxes cause he gone (soon)
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absolutely not...but I’m not the one condemning him.
Neither am I. But that's not the context in which you asked the question. You asked it around if Marquette should hire him.
Regardless, here is what I do know....
1. There were reports about racial issues in the Creighton program before.
2. He made a racially insensitive statement to the team last week.
3. Creighton felt the need to suspend him.
So "what's in his heart" is largely meaningless. His actions and statements could accurately represent him - or they could be different, better or worse. I do know that college coaches are paid a lot of money. It's a position of privilege. And if they do dumb stuff, they can lose that privilege.
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To me, that's one of the biggest hypocrisies of the GOP. They lament 'cancel culture' at the same time they try to cancel the foundation of democracy for millions of Americans.
It's like when they lament government intrusion in peoples' lives, and then give full-throated support to the government telling a woman what she can do with her body.
so, in the name of ‘freedom’, abortion...ending a life...is ok? Not being snarky, just trying to understand your take.
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Nazis.
IBTL.
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so, in the name of ‘freedom’, abortion...ending a life...is ok? Not being snarky, just trying to understand your take.
In the name of it not being any of my business, I think a woman should be able to choose. You don't carry that baby. It literally does not affect you, whatsoever.
Spare me the outrage of dead fetuses when we needlessly bomb live children throughout the world. Its repugnant.
Lock er up.
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so, in the name of ‘freedom’, abortion...ending a life...is ok? Not being snarky, just trying to understand your take.
I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy of saying "keep the government out of my life" while also demanding that the government intrude on one of the most personal decisions of a person's life.
It's fine to be pro-life, but you can't be pro-life AND argue against government intrusion in individual lives or personal decisions.
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Ok, there's some things that should be considered in all of this. First, Coach McDermott is not perfect. We know that and I'd venture to guess that so does he. We learn through the Faith many of us hold that we should forgive. I believe that's a foundation of the Lord's Prayer. He said something he should not have said. The Catholic Christian thing to do (and, yes folks, he works for a Catholic Christian university) is to forgive and work to ensure the problem doesn't happen again.
Second, we innocent bystanders should consider the lesson in John, Chapter 8, Verse 7. Jesus said it best: "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone."
Nothing more to say here, folks.
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Ok, there's some things that should be considered in all of this. First, Coach McDermott is not perfect. We know that and I'd venture to guess that so does he. We learn through the Faith many of us hold that we should forgive. I believe that's a foundation of the Lord's Prayer. He said something he should not have said. The Catholic Christian thing to do (and, yes folks, he works for a Catholic Christian university) is to forgive and work to ensure the problem doesn't happen again.
Second, we innocent bystanders should consider the lesson in John, Chapter 8, Verse 7. Jesus said it best: "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone."
Nothing more to say here, folks.
Gotcha. So no one should exercise any judgement ever because everyone has sinned previously.
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So stop being played. There is no such thing as cancel culture. It's your new dog whistle, just like 'fake news' was for years... just like every simplistic bit of jargon that gets created in a board room and passed down by the media for you consume.
actually, there is, and it's on both sides. But, as Bill Maher said last Friday, the GOP has co-opted it for their side while ignoring the fact they have also engaged in it. Meanwhile, the far left gleefully trumpets their successful "cancellation" of individuals and calls for the "cancellation" of people like Drew Brees for making a single comment. The ironic part of this is the author himself should have been "cancelled" but instead threw his colleague under the bus to protect his own ass...and it worked (https://miketunison.substack.com/p/fun-with-drew-magary)
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/Drew-Magary-cancel-culture-15495803.php
This is a long overdue correction to both pop culture and American culture in general, and it’s hardly over. We need to cancel MORE people and we need to make it stick. Thus far, the Internet has chosen its targets well. If, God forbid, we cancel one person who shouldn’t be canceled, well that’s still one person compared to the massive amount of human collateral damage the rest of The Canceled have left in their wake.
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Gotcha. So no one should exercise any judgement ever because everyone has sinned previously.
Welp, there goes the jury system.
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actually, there is, and it's on both sides. But, as Bill Maher said last Friday, the GOP has co-opted it for their side while ignoring the fact they have also engaged in it. Meanwhile, the far left gleefully trumpets their successful "cancellation" of individuals and calls for the "cancellation" of people like Drew Brees for making a single comment. The ironic part of this is the author himself should have been "cancelled" but instead threw his colleague under the bus to protect his own ass...and it worked.
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/Drew-Magary-cancel-culture-15495803.php
This is a long overdue correction to both pop culture and American culture in general, and it’s hardly over. We need to cancel MORE people and we need to make it stick. Thus far, the Internet has chosen its targets well. If, God forbid, we cancel one person who shouldn’t be canceled, well that’s still one person compared to the massive amount of human collateral damage the rest of The Canceled have left in their wake.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/d4/39/ddd439116a7e12625de54132e8a40026.gif)
Bill Maher is an entertainer, entertaining you.
edit: btw I didn't mean to imply that the picture was you, just messing around.
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I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy of saying "keep the government out of my life" while also demanding that the government intrude on one of the most personal decisions of a person's life.
It's fine to be pro-life, but you can't be pro-life AND argue against government intrusion in individual lives or personal decisions.
I've always found additional hypocrisy in pro-lifers also being pro-death penalty. "Every life is sacred...except this one."
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/d4/39/ddd439116a7e12625de54132e8a40026.gif)
Bill Maher is an entertainer, entertaining you.
when you've got no retort, post a meme. And here I thought that was just a right-winger strategy.
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Gotcha. So no one should exercise any judgement ever because everyone has sinned previously.
Brother Fluff, are you serious?
If one asks for forgiveness and is truly repentant, it's our duty as Catholic Christians to give him or her a chance. Doesn't mean they don't have atone for their sin, as Coach McDermott will, but if a person is truly sorry and expresses remorse, then I'm up for benefit of the doubt.
Secondly, we're all the peanut gallery. The point of bringing this up is that we're not perfect and we're not a party to this. Unless you're going to play basketball at Creighton or unless you are applying to be head coach at Creighton, it aint our business.
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when you've got no retort, post a meme. And here I thought that was just a right-winger strategy.
Yeah, I knew you'd take it the way you did... its why I added the edit. The words under the meme was my retort.
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Brother Fluff, are you serious?
If one asks for forgiveness and is truly repentant, it's our duty as Catholic Christians to give him or her a chance. Doesn't mean they don't have atone for their sin, as Coach McDermott will, but if a person is truly sorry and expresses remorse, then I'm up for benefit of the doubt.
Secondly, we're all the peanut gallery. The point of brining this up is that we're not perfect and we're not a party to this. Unless you're going to play basketball at Creighton or unless you are applying to be head coach at Creighton, it aint our business.
Okay, but what if the repentant person repeats their mistake? Just apologize forever?
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I think there is a cancel culture that can heap undeserved scorn and insult on well-meaning people for legitimate mistakes.
But when you hear some politician or public figure complaining about being a victim of cancel culture, 99 times out of 100 it's because they don't like the consequences of their sh*tty behavior.
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actually, there is, and it's on both sides. But, as Bill Maher said last Friday, the GOP has co-opted it for their side while ignoring the fact they have also engaged in it. Meanwhile, the far left gleefully trumpets their successful "cancellation" of individuals and calls for the "cancellation" of people like Drew Brees for making a single comment. The ironic part of this is the author himself should have been "cancelled" but instead threw his colleague under the bus to protect his own ass...and it worked (https://miketunison.substack.com/p/fun-with-drew-magary)
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/Drew-Magary-cancel-culture-15495803.php
This is a long overdue correction to both pop culture and American culture in general, and it’s hardly over. We need to cancel MORE people and we need to make it stick. Thus far, the Internet has chosen its targets well. If, God forbid, we cancel one person who shouldn’t be canceled, well that’s still one person compared to the massive amount of human collateral damage the rest of The Canceled have left in their wake.
One idiot calls for it and you post it. Click the link
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority
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Brother Fluff, are you serious?
If one asks for forgiveness and is truly repentant, it's our duty as Catholic Christians to give him or her a chance. Doesn't mean they don't have atone for their sin, as Coach McDermott will, but if a person is truly sorry and expresses remorse, then I'm up for benefit of the doubt.
Secondly, we're all the peanut gallery. The point of bringing this up is that we're not perfect and we're not a party to this. Unless you're going to play basketball at Creighton or unless you are applying to be head coach at Creighton, it aint our business.
Then you can feel free to exit the topic. Thanks.
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actually, there is, and it's on both sides. But, as Bill Maher said last Friday, the GOP has co-opted it for their side while ignoring the fact they have also engaged in it. Meanwhile, the far left gleefully trumpets their successful "cancellation" of individuals and calls for the "cancellation" of people like Drew Brees for making a single comment. The ironic part of this is the author himself should have been "cancelled" but instead threw his colleague under the bus to protect his own ass...and it worked (https://miketunison.substack.com/p/fun-with-drew-magary)
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/Drew-Magary-cancel-culture-15495803.php
This is a long overdue correction to both pop culture and American culture in general, and it’s hardly over. We need to cancel MORE people and we need to make it stick. Thus far, the Internet has chosen its targets well. If, God forbid, we cancel one person who shouldn’t be canceled, well that’s still one person compared to the massive amount of human collateral damage the rest of The Canceled have left in their wake.
Again, just because SOME people get outraged over SOME comments, that doesn't mean cancel culture is a thing.
Drew Brees continued to be employed. Greg McDermott was going to survive the issues alleged about his program until he opened his mouth and said something stupid. The vast majority of Dr. Suess books are still around.
Maybe have some perspective here.
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Ok, there's some things that should be considered in all of this. First, Coach McDermott is not perfect. We know that and I'd venture to guess that so does he. We learn through the Faith many of us hold that we should forgive. I believe that's a foundation of the Lord's Prayer. He said something he should not have said. The Catholic Christian thing to do (and, yes folks, he works for a Catholic Christian university) is to forgive and work to ensure the problem doesn't happen again.
Second, we innocent bystanders should consider the lesson in John, Chapter 8, Verse 7. Jesus said it best: "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone."
Nothing more to say here, folks.
Forgiveness doesn't mean lack of accountability. What if he murdered someone? Clearly your response would not be the same without accountability. Or would it be okay to murder people at a Catholic University?
He can be fired and forgiven at the same time. And, he can put in the time to work to do better to find opportunity elsewhere.
The question in this example, is what is the appropriate accountability in response to his actions, the racist comments. And they will take various things into consideration and come up with what they deem appropriate accountability for his actions.
This is more about how much or how little one values his racist comments, (combined with whatever his history is there) as opposed to religion.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/d4/39/ddd439116a7e12625de54132e8a40026.gif)
Bill Maher is an entertainer, entertaining you.
edit: btw I didn't mean to imply that the picture was you, just messing around.
Ok, I get it.
It is real though, even President Obama has called it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM
There are people that absolutely deserve it, but it's been weaponized as part of a push for purity. One example: a few weeks ago my wife was rejected from joining her company's DEI committee. The rationale provided by an African-American on the committee was Asians don't face hardships and discrimination. She wanted to say something but was scared of the possible consequences for questioning him and explaining her background (child of immigrants who fled due to political persecution). That's a problem.
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Ok, I get it.
It is real though, even President Obama has called it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM
There are people that absolutely deserve it, but it's been weaponized as part of a push for purity. One example: a few weeks ago my wife was rejected from joining her company's DEI committee. The rationale provided by an African-American on the committee was Asians don't face hardships and discrimination. She wanted to say something but was scared of the possible consequences for questioning him and explaining her background (child of immigrants who fled due to political persecution). That's a problem.
You and your wife could get enough money to retire and live very comfortably either part of that is true (she was told she couldn’t be on the DEI committee because of that OR she fears there would be consequences for speaking up and explaining her background).
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I've always found additional hypocrisy in pro-lifers also being pro-death penalty. "Every life is sacred...except this one."
There is more reason in that stance (which could also be described as save the innocent, condemn the guilty) than the reverse, which is pro-abortion and anti-death penalty (kill the innocent and save the guilty).
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There is more reason in that stance (which could also be described as save the innocent, condemn the guilty) than the reverse, which is pro-abortion and anti-death penalty (kill the innocent and save the guilty).
1. Only if you happily ignore the teachings of Christ should you be pro death penalty. I fully admit to ignoring them, but I'm not using religion as my starting point for the other issue you're discussing.
2. Your point only makes sense from the pro life standpoint. It's why this whole argument will never be solved. Because as long as one side views it as a full fledged persons life and the other views it as not a full fledged persons life then the argument will go nowhere. It's essentially akin to an argument of whether vegetarians should eat eggs. Many will say no because it's an animal many will say they aren't meat so it's ok. And then there's the people who say "well what about Balut?" And almost everyone says "well that's just not ok"
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1. Only if you happily ignore the teachings of Christ should you be pro death penalty. I fully admit to ignoring them, but I'm not using religion as my starting point for the other issue you're discussing.
2. Your point only makes sense from the pro life standpoint. It's why this whole argument will never be solved. Because as long as one side views it as a full fledged persons life and the other views it as not a full fledged persons life then the argument will go nowhere. It's essentially akin to an argument of whether vegetarians should eat eggs. Many will say no because it's an animal many will say they aren't meat so it's ok. And then there's the people who say "well what about Balut?" And almost everyone says "well that's just not ok"
So, anyone have a revised opinion as to whether we want to pull Creighton as a possible 2nd rd opponent at the Big East Tournament now?
Or wanna keep up the circular handshake extravaganza about cancel culture?
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So, anyone have a revised opinion as to whether we want to pull Creighton as a possible 2nd rd opponent at the Big East Tournament now?
Or wanna keep up the circular handshake extravaganza about cancel culture?
Sorry, I tried not to get pulled in :(
I vote Creighton over Nova. we've shown we can compete with the former. The later just being down one player doesn't make up two embarrassing losses. The first of which was when we were still playing semi decent
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2. Your point only makes sense from the pro life standpoint. It's why this whole argument will never be solved. Because as long as one side views it as a full fledged persons life and the other views it as not a full fledged persons life then the argument will go nowhere. It's essentially akin to an argument of whether vegetarians should eat eggs. Many will say no because it's an animal many will say they aren't meat so it's ok. And then there's the people who say "well what about Balut?" And almost everyone says "well that's just not ok"
Agree, if 'pro life' = life begins at conception. Which you would only believe if your religion tells you it does. But other religions, and science, tell you differently. yes there are medical people who say that life begins a fertilization but the majority are either at 12 or 20 weeks. So what pro life means in reality is that they want others to abide by their religious beliefs.
Edit: Creighton for sure. Nova will have 10 days to adjust and be 90% as dangerous, probably keeps them out of the Elite8 but doesn't stop them from beating us by 15
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Yeah I'm with y'all, a Creighton team that might be on tilt seems a better chance than a devastating team down one piece. Mind you, I'm not sure it matters either way... but I'd take whatever sequence of wins/losses puts us on Creighton's line.
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I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy of saying "keep the government out of my life" while also demanding that the government intrude on one of the most personal decisions of a person's life.
It's fine to be pro-life, but you can't be pro-life AND argue against government intrusion in individual lives or personal decisions.
Yep. This clear point goes right over some people's heads when their minds are clouded by righteous indignation.
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Agree, if 'pro life' = life begins at conception. Which you would only believe if your religion tells you it does. But other religions, and science, tell you differently. yes there are medical people who say that life begins a fertilization but the majority are either at 12 or 20 weeks. So what pro life means in reality is that they want others to abide by their religious beliefs.
We are also talking about competing rights including the right of someone to medically chose what they want to do with their own body.
That is why there can and should be shades of gray here. I can be pro-choice, where I believe the rights of the mother are greater than the rights of the unborn....to a point. And then after that, the rights of the unborn are more important. Where is that point? I don't really know, but "first trimester" is as good a point as any.
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We are also talking about competing rights including the right of someone to medically chose what they want to do with their own body.
That is why there can and should be shades of gray here. I can be pro-choice, where I believe the rights of the mother are greater than the rights of the unborn....to a point. And then after that, the rights of the unborn are more important. Where is that point? I don't really know, but "first trimester" is as good a point as any.
Aka You'd be in the "eating balut is just wrong" crowd in my analogy.
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There is more reason in that stance (which could also be described as save the innocent, condemn the guilty) than the reverse, which is pro-abortion and anti-death penalty (kill the innocent and save the guilty).
Not really.
I'd venture to guess most pro choice people don't believe a weeks-old fetus with zero chance of survival outside its mother's womb is a life, and certainly not the the same as a fully developed adult.
And there are reasons to be opposed to capital punishment beyond a "sanctity of life" argument, i.e. the fact that the judicial system makes lots of mistakes, clear inequities in who gets the death penalty and who doesn't, and a belief that the state shouldn't be killing some citizens in the name of other citizens.
Then there's the sheer randomness of it. If I kill 10 people in California, I'm not getting the death penalty. But if my accomplice in a botched robbery in Texas shoots someone in the leg, the doctor messes up in the ER and the poor victim dies, I might be getting the needle.
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Josh Hawley claimed to have been canceled ... in a front-page op-ed published by the nation's 6th largest newspaper.
Didn't he make that claim from the platform of a prime time television slot?
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We are also talking about competing rights including the right of someone to medically chose what they want to do with their own body.
That is why there can and should be shades of gray here. I can be pro-choice, where I believe the rights of the mother are greater than the rights of the unborn....to a point. And then after that, the rights of the unborn are more important. Where is that point? I don't really know, but "first trimester" is as good a point as any.
I guess dads have no right to be dads.
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I guess dads have no right to be dads.
Dude. McDermott.
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I guess dads have no right to be dads.
Because I am a man I should be able to force a woman to have a baby? Is that your point? If so that's gross.
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cancelled locked