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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2021, 08:30:06 AM
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MU is currently 10th in the Big East Standings. Which means we would play the 7 season in the first round of the Big East Tournament. Currently , The Johnnies and Cooley & Company occupy the 6th and 7th positions. Things are very tight though so it will be interesting to see how things play out.
I do not know what the pairings are after the first round. I would assume the winner of 7 and 10 plays the second seed but do not know for sure.
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MU is currently 10th in the Big East Standings. Which means we would play the 7 season in the first round of the Big East Tournament. Currently , The Johnnies and Cooley & Company occupy the 6th and 7th positions. Things are very tight though so it will be interesting to see how things play out.
I do not know what the pairings are after the first round. I would assume the winner of 7 and 10 plays the second seed but do not know for sure.
You're correct.
1 plays 8/9
2 plays 7/10
3 plays 6/11
4 plays 5
I think we end up in the 8/9 game with Georgetown
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You're correct.
1 plays 8/9
2 plays 7/10
3 plays 6/11
4 plays 5
I think we end up in the 8/9 game with Georgetown
Say what you want about Ewing but the guy is a good coach. His teams have improved from their starting point most of his years.
Player retention and the understanding of 365 nature of the college game has been his issue.
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It would be great if we could maintain the 10 position. If we can win the first game , I like our chances against Creighton versus having to play Villanova.
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We'll get a clearer picture of our possibilities after tonight's Providence-St. John's game, but I think TAMU will end up being right about us playing in the 8/9 game.
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(https://www.bigeast.com/services/download_file.ashx?file_location=https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/bigeast.com/documents/2021/2/26/2021_MBB_Tournament_Bracket.pdf)
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You're correct.
1 plays 8/9
2 plays 7/10
3 plays 6/11
4 plays 5
I think we end up in the 8/9 game with Georgetown
You think we beat X?
I am pretty sure we are 10 if we lose to X.
Which means, we should tank. Just give us some sort of a shot at MSG.
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You think we beat X?
I am pretty sure we are 10 if we lose to X.
Which means, we should tank. Just give us some sort of a shot at MSG.
If we lose and Butler loses at Creighton (which is likely), we would finish tied for 9th with Butler and we would have the tiebreaker based on our 2 wins over them. So even a loss probably wouldn't get the preferred BET scenario.
But even if it would ...
How would you like Marquette to go about "tanking"? Are you saying that Wojo should bench DJ, Garcia and Lewis? That the guys who do play should only shoot with their opposite hands? That our guys should wear blindfolds all game? That we should send Jamal, Theo and Koby off on senior day by trying to lose?
If we have proven one thing this season, it's that we don't have to TRY to lose. It happens naturally often enough.
If you were being sarcastic, well, then never mind to all of the above.
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Reminder - Creighton gets the one seed if they beat Nova and Butler this week.
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This team has not won 3 games in a row all season. They aren't winning 4 games in 4 days.
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If we lose and Butler loses at Creighton (which is likely), we would finish tied for 9th with Butler and we would have the tiebreaker based on our 2 wins over them. So even a loss probably wouldn't get the preferred BET scenario.
But even if it would ...
How would you like Marquette to go about "tanking"? Are you saying that Wojo should bench DJ, Garcia and Lewis? That the guys who do play should only shoot with their opposite hands? That our guys should wear blindfolds all game? That we should send Jamal, Theo and Koby off on senior day by trying to lose?
If we have proven one thing this season, it's that we don't have to TRY to lose. It happens naturally often enough.
If you were being sarcastic, well, then never mind to all of the above.
Butler is 8-11. We are 7-11.
Losses by both of us has them as .5 better thanks to them finishing their games.
Wasn't really sarcastic, just an simple point we shouldnt really care to win that game of all games. And X sucks. So yeah, the best way to increase the liklihood that we don't pull it out would be to let Perez/Dex/Sy/Koby all play together for long periods.
Maybe pull a Uconn and go 5 minutes between timeouts with the wrong lineups.
You're right, we naturally could just bomb. But also as exhibited by all our close games(aside from Uconn and NOva who are terrible match ups) we can also somehow luck our way into wins and/or thrillers. Hell, we have somehow managed to win 6 road games.
Fortunately we suck at home, I say play dead. Take a run at Creightons path. End result will be the same, but still more optimistic.
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I think as Marquette fans, we should root for Creighton to beat Nova tonight. Because if my understanding is correct, with a 2-0 week, Creighton gets the #1 seed and Nova #2. And our chances of being in the 8/9 game are much higher than being in 7/10 game. That means if we're lucky enough to win next Wednesday afternoon, we get Creighton instead of Nova on Thursday afternoon.
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Fortunately we suck at home, I say play dead. Take a run at Creightons path. End result will be the same, but still more optimistic.
I'm more of a win the game in front of you and let the pieces fall were they may guy. Sure I get the strategy of wanting to be on Creighton's side, but barring a miracle we're not winning the BET either way so I'll take the enjoyment of a win to end the regular season.
Another part of my also wants to end up on Nova's side, just in hopes that...*TRIGGER WARNING* The following is not me suggesting that this will happen, is likely to happen, is probable to happen, is plausible to happen, or even that there is even a tiny chance of this to happen. It is just discussing a theoretical college basketball situation because this is a college basketball forum and that's what we do here *END TRIGGER WARNING*...Marquette could do the unthinkable and beat X, beat Georgetown, beat Nova, beat SJU/HALL, and then lose in the final (likely to CREI/UCONN) because that would create a fascinating case study for the tournament selection committee. Historically, they have not put much weight on conference tournament wins. However, that would push us to 16-14, not a great record, but one you could justify putting in the tournament with the right resume. If current NET groupings hold, that series of wins would give as a Q1 record of 5-8 and Q2 record of 5-5, more Q1/Q2 wins than almost anyone on the bubble. It would be interesting to see how they treated a resume like that.
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I'm more of a win the game in front of you and let the pieces fall were they may guy. Sure I get the strategy of wanting to be on Creighton's side, but barring a miracle we're not winning the BET either way so I'll take the enjoyment of a win to end the regular season.
Another part of my also wants to end up on Nova's side, just in hopes that...*TRIGGER WARNING* The following is not me suggesting that this will happen, is likely to happen, is probable to happen, is plausible to happen, or even that there is even a tiny chance of this to happen. It is just discussing a theoretical college basketball situation because this is a college basketball forum and that's what we do here *END TRIGGER WARNING*...Marquette could do the unthinkable and beat X, beat Georgetown, beat Nova, beat SJU/HALL, and then lose in the final (likely to CREI/UCONN) because that would create a fascinating case study for the tournament selection committee. Historically, they have not put much weight on conference tournament wins. However, that would push us to 16-14, not a great record, but one you could justify putting in the tournament with the right resume. If current NET groupings hold, that series of wins would give as a Q1 record of 5-8 and Q2 record of 5-5, more Q1/Q2 wins than almost anyone on the bubble. It would be interesting to see how they treated a resume like that.
Yeah I mean, I am someone who has said many times that "tanking" in a sport where you dont play for draft picks is idiotic. So overall it was mostly a joke anyways. But just would allow me to tease myself with prospects of a run next week a bit more.
Then again, with CG down maybe Nova would be off their game and are the play. Ha.
And Uconn is probably now the team we'd most wanna avoid anyways.
So I am back on the beat X train! Lets see try and see your wild scenario play out!
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Butler is 8-11. We are 7-11.
Losses by both of us has them as .5 better thanks to them finishing their games.
Wasn't really sarcastic, just an simple point we shouldnt really care to win that game of all games. And X sucks. So yeah, the best way to increase the liklihood that we don't pull it out would be to let Perez/Dex/Sy/Koby all play together for long periods.
Maybe pull a Uconn and go 5 minutes between timeouts with the wrong lineups.
You're right, we naturally could just bomb. But also as exhibited by all our close games(aside from Uconn and NOva who are terrible match ups) we can also somehow luck our way into wins and/or thrillers. Hell, we have somehow managed to win 6 road games.
Fortunately we suck at home, I say play dead. Take a run at Creightons path. End result will be the same, but still more optimistic.
I looked right at the standings and could swear I saw both at 7-11 ... but obviously you are right.
Management regrets the error.
My main point remains the same: Go Marquette. Just beat X.
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Historically, they have not put much weight on conference tournament wins.
Yeah, it seems that way and I’m convinced the bracket is pretty much set in stone by about Thursday/Friday. There’s no way they are making a bracket for each of the different scenarios for what happens during one last game. Too many logistical headaches. It’ll be too late I think for at large. We won’t be in the discussion during the initial bracketing which will effectively eliminate us when the committee first meets.
Although, it should be much less work for the committee this year though as they don’t have to account for locations and protected seeds as much. It should be a pretty fairly seeded tournament.
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If Gillespie is out for the tournament , more teams may have a legitimate shot at winning the championship
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Based on how he looked on the bench last night and Wright’s comments that his injury was “serious” I think Gillespie being out for the BET is more likely than not. I just hope he’s able to return for the NCAA, but even that is in serious doubt.
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Villanova suddenly looks much more beatable. Still a long shot, but definitely possible without Gillaspie.
Current standings:
Nova 11-3
Creighton 13-6
UCONN 10-6
Seton Hall 10-8
SJU 9-9
Xavier 6-6
Gtown 7-8
PC 8-10
Butler 8-11
Marquette 7-11
Depaul 2-13
Game remaining and favored result:
Gtown @ UCONN (UCONN W)
Nova @ PC (Nova W)
Butler @ Creighton (Creighton W)
Seton Hall @ SJU (Seton Hall W)
Xavier @ Marquette (Marquette W)
Expected standings:
Nova 12-3
Creighton 14-6
UCONN 11-6
Seton Hall 11-8
SJU 9-10 (.471)
Xavier 6-7 (.461)
Gtown 7-9 (.4375)
PC 8-11 (.421)
Marquette 8-11 (.421)
Butler 8-12
Depaul 2-13
In that scenario (which includes all favored teams winning), how are X, Gtown, PC and Marquette seeded? I assume its by winning %, and if that is the case, we tie for the 8 seed with PC, lose the tiebreaker, and play them in the 8/9 game.
If we lose to X, we'll get the 10 seed and likely draw SJU at the Garden.
None of those scenarios are great IMO, but I guess it doesn't really matter. Going to have to win some tough games obviously.
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Selfishly, I would love a scenario that we beat X and still end up with the 10 seed as I am going to be on plane for the majority 8/9 vs. 1 seed game. I think the only way that is possible is Butler beating Creighton which seems unlikely.
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Selfishly, I would love a scenario that we beat X and still end up with the 10 seed as I am going to be on plane for the majority 8/9 vs. 1 seed game. I think the only way that is possible is Butler beating Creighton which seems unlikely.
Butler has had a few interesting wins (including over Creighton) and Creighton has had a few head-scratching losses (including to Butler), so who knows?
The BU-CU game is earlier, so we'll know before tip if our game has the potential to change the standings at all.
I'll want Marquette to win regardless.
1. Because I always want Marquette to win.
2. With no Gillespie, Nova might be easier to beat than Creighton. Or might not. Just gotta play and win!
We Are Marquette!
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Butler has had a few interesting wins (including over Creighton) and Creighton has had a few head-scratching losses (including to Butler), so who knows?
The BU-CU game is earlier, so we'll know before tip if our game has the potential to change the standings at all.
I'll want Marquette to win regardless.
1. Because I always want Marquette to win.
2. With no Gillespie, Nova might be easier to beat than Creighton. Or might not. Just gotta play and win!
We Are Marquette!
You are correct that the only way for MU to get the 9 seed is to beat Xavier and have Butler lose to Creighton.
I have seen a summary of the 32 possible outcomes of the 5 games on Saturday and, although MU can only get either the 9 or 10 seed, their possible first round opponents include Georgetown and Providence (the most likely candidates) plus Xavier, Butler, and St. John’s. Those three only come in to play if there are surprises like Butler over Creighton and/or Georgetown over UConn.
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Don't we want the 9 spot because of the unfortunate Gillespie injury?
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Don't we want the 9 spot because of the unfortunate Gillespie injury?
Who knows
Creighton doesnt have a coach.
Uconns to lose. I say we wanna avoid them so I guess 9 it is.
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Who knows
Creighton doesnt have a coach.
Uconns to lose. I say we wanna avoid them so I guess 9 it is.
True....
Believe it or not we have a punchers chance.
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True....
Believe it or not we have a punchers chance.
Yeah. I’m not really excited about our ability to go on a long run, but with Gillespie out and McDermott suspended, anything can happen.
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It absolutely can happen. No world beaters in the BEast. Hopefully we show up.
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It absolutely can happen. No world beaters in the BEast. Hopefully we show up.
Love this, Muggs!
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Love this, Muggs!
I agree that UCONN is the team to avoid but in light of what's happened the last 24 hrs, MU's chances have increased exponentially. This is a highly unusual situation for a 10th ot 9th place team in the conf. I think the mindset should be there's a great opportunity next week.
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I agree that UCONN is the team to avoid but in light of what's happened the last 24 hrs, MU's chances have increased exponentially. This is a highly unusual situation for a 10th ot 9th place team in the conf. I think the mindset should be there's a great opportunity next week.
I think that will be the mindset. I don't believe that "want-to" has been a problem at all for this team.
We simply have long stretches during which we execute poorly, and/or shoot poorly, and/or defend poorly. And when you aren't a very well-coached team to begin with, it makes for trouble.
It's the same song and dance as it has been: If we take care of the ball and shoot even reasonably well, we will have a legit chance to win every single game.
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Love this, Muggs!
The problem isn't the world beaters, it's the rest of the league that is 6-2 against us in return games this year. The only teams we beat the second time around were 9th place Butler & 11th place DePaul.
Maybe we pick off a no-Gillespie Nova or coachless Creighton, but I have no confidence against UConn, SHU, Providence, etc.
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The problem isn't the world beaters, it's the rest of the league that is 6-2 against us in return games this year. The only teams we beat the second time around were 9th place Butler & 11th place DePaul.
Maybe we pick off a no-Gillespie Nova or coachless Creighton, but I have no confidence against UConn, SHU, Providence, etc.
The return games stat, especially in the last three years, is the most damning stat on Wojo's resume.
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The problem isn't the world beaters, it's the rest of the league that is 6-2 against us in return games this year. The only teams we beat the second time around were 9th place Butler & 11th place DePaul.
Maybe we pick off a no-Gillespie Nova or coachless Creighton, but I have no confidence against UConn, SHU, Providence, etc.
Don’t mistake my belief that we have a legit chance to beat each opponent if we play well ... with me thinking we actually will put it together for 4 straight days.
And I probably think we have a better chance than most Scoopers do!
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I hate to rain on the optimist’s parade but we have an exactly 0.000% chance of winning the BET.
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I hate to rain on the optimist’s parade but we have an exactly 0.000% chance of winning the BET.
Actually I think someone calculated it at 2.xx% (can't remember the decimal)
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Villanova suddenly looks much more beatable. Still a long shot, but definitely possible without Gillaspie.
Current standings:
Nova 11-3
Creighton 13-6
UCONN 10-6
Seton Hall 10-8
SJU 9-9
Xavier 6-6
Gtown 7-8
PC 8-10
Butler 8-11
Marquette 7-11
Depaul 2-13
Game remaining and favored result:
Gtown @ UCONN (UCONN W)
Nova @ PC (Nova W)
Butler @ Creighton (Creighton W)
Seton Hall @ SJU (Seton Hall W)
Xavier @ Marquette (Marquette W)
Expected standings:
Nova 12-3
Creighton 14-6
UCONN 11-6
Seton Hall 11-8
SJU 9-10 (.471)
Xavier 6-7 (.461)
Gtown 7-9 (.4375)
PC 8-11 (.421)
Marquette 8-11 (.421)
Butler 8-12
Depaul 2-13
In that scenario (which includes all favored teams winning), how are X, Gtown, PC and Marquette seeded? I assume its by winning %, and if that is the case, we tie for the 8 seed with PC, lose the tiebreaker, and play them in the 8/9 game.
If we lose to X, we'll get the 10 seed and likely draw SJU at the Garden.
None of those scenarios are great IMO, but I guess it doesn't really matter. Going to have to win some tough games obviously.
I don’t think MU would play SJU in the first round if UConn and Creighton both win and MU loses to Xavier. I think they would play either Georgetown or Providence, depending on the outcome of the Providence-Villanova game. Even if St. John’s and Providence tie at 9-11. SJU would win the tiebreaker because of two wins over PC and take the 6 seed.
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Actually I think someone calculated it at 2.xx% (can't remember the decimal)
That might be about right.
I’m more interested in the possibility of at least having some fun with the tournament by winning one game, and then maybe 2, before reality rears its ugly head.
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The return games stat, especially in the last three years, is the most damning stat on Wojo's resume.
Yeah, we’re the Monday morning crossword puzzle - easy to figure out. Other teams (for Wojo, anyway) are like the New York Times Sunday puzzle.
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That might be about right.
I’m more interested in the possibility of at least having some fun with the tournament by winning one game, and then maybe 2, before reality rears its ugly head.
Yeah I mean I genuinely don't care how we do at this point but would rather have a couple last games than not
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It would be great if we could maintain the 10 position.
This says it all. We’re in an 11 team league that is historically weak this year - and it would be great if we can stay in 10th place.
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The problem isn't the world beaters, it's the rest of the league that is 6-2 against us in return games this year. The only teams we beat the second time around were 9th place Butler & 11th place DePaul.
Maybe we pick off a no-Gillespie Nova or coachless Creighton, but I have no confidence against UConn, SHU, Providence, etc.
So maybe that puts a chip on our shoulders and makes us the underdog...like we were against the rodents and 'heels.
Don't get me wrong - I am not expecting a 4-game run. I just think it's at least plausible, given the Gillespie and McDermott issues.
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This says it all. We’re in an 11 team league that is historically weak this year - and it would be great if we can stay in 10th place.
Well considering we could not possibly fall to 11, I'm thinking Herman is wanting to stay at 10 rather than move up in the standings.
Also, historically weak? The Big East isn't even the worst high major conference in the current season.
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You are correct that the only way for MU to get the 9 seed is to beat Xavier and have Butler lose to Creighton.
I have seen a summary of the 32 possible outcomes of the 5 games on Saturday and, although MU can only get either the 9 or 10 seed, their possible first round opponents include Georgetown and Providence (the most likely candidates) plus Xavier, Butler, and St. John’s. Those three only come in to play if there are surprises like Butler over Creighton and/or Georgetown over UConn.
Can you please share the link that shows these scenarios?
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The problem isn't the world beaters, it's the rest of the league that is 6-2 against us in return games this year. The only teams we beat the second time around were 9th place Butler & 11th place DePaul.
Maybe we pick off a no-Gillespie Nova or coachless Creighton, but I have no confidence against UConn, SHU, Providence, etc.
While I think we can beat PC, they would be horrible 1st round draw. Really hope we avoid that or I think its a quick exit. Realistically, i'd be absolutely astonished if we pulled 2 wins in the BET. But I'll be rooting like hell!
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Well considering we could not possibly fall to 11, I'm thinking Herman is wanting to stay at 10 rather than move up in the standings.
Also, historically weak? The Big East isn't even the worst high major conference in the current season.
We're better than what... the PAC12? Nothing to be proud of... also, we're behind the WCC (which I full admit is being dragged upwards by Gonzaga).
The BEAST is super down this year, no two ways about it. If we field 3 teams in the NCAA tournament, yes, it will be historically bad in this iteration of the Big East.
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This says it all. We’re in an 11 team league that is historically weak this year - and it would be great if we can stay in 10th place.
Eh, personally I don't care about conference standings in a normal year. I really don't care in a year where the teams are playing unbalanced schedules. We didn't get to play Georgetown at home, the 2nd or 3rd easiest game on the schedule (though fully admit that easy games aren't necessarily a layup for us). Three of the four teams directly ahead of us in the standings will finish the season with less conference games played than we did, including X who completely avoided Villanova. Add in the fact that when all is said and done, we will likely finish 1 game back of 5th place, I don't think the conference standings really tell you a complete picture.
What I do care about is that we will finish nowhere near the bubble in a year that we should have been able to earn an at large bid given the roster assembled.
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We're better than what... the PAC12? Nothing to be proud of... also, we're behind the WCC (which I full admit is being dragged upwards by Gonzaga).
The BEAST is super down this year, no two ways about it. If we field 3 teams in the NCAA tournament, yes, it will be historically bad in this iteration of the Big East.
There is a 0% chance the Big East gets 3 bids. Zero.
edit: Maybe, I will soften that a bit. But at least 1 of Seton Hall or Xavier are going to get in. And I think both is more likely than neither. Though if we beat X tomorrow, they're really reeling. Big game for them.
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We're better than what... the PAC12? Nothing to be proud of... also, we're behind the WCC (which I full admit is being dragged upwards by Gonzaga).
What metric has the WCC above the Big East? KenPom has the following rankings for the conferences:
1. Big Ten
2. Big 12
3. SEC
4. ACC
5. Big East
6. PAC 12
7. AAC
8. A10
9. WCC
And the distance between the Big East at #5 and the PAC 12 at #6 is greater than the distance between the SEC at #3 and Big East at #5. And the distance between the PAC 12 at #6 and the AAC at #7 is even greater than that.
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What metric has the WCC above the Big East? KenPom has the following rankings for the conferences:
1. Big Ten
2. Big 12
3. SEC
4. ACC
5. Big East
6. PAC 12
7. AAC
8. A10
9. WCC
And the distance between the Big East at #5 and the PAC 12 at #6 is greater than the distance between the SEC at #3 and Big East at #5. And the distance between the PAC 12 at #6 and the AAC at #7 is even greater than that.
Conference RPI
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf
http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2021/conferencerpi
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Conference RPI
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf
http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2021/conferencerpi
Just asking, why are you using a metric that was retried years ago because of how inaccurate it was?
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Just asking, why are you using a metric that was retried years ago because of how inaccurate it was?
I'm not sure it was retired. Probably fell out of favor, sure. If it isn't allowed, I'll stop looking at it. :P
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I'm not sure it was retired. Probably fell out of favor, sure. If it isn't allowed, I'll stop looking at it. :P
You can do whatever you want, but it literally was retired by the selection committee for inaccuracy. It's not considered anymore.
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Can you please share the link that shows these scenarios?
This is what I've been looking at:
http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb
In the scenario you described Connecticut beats Georgetown, Creighton beats Butler, and Marquette loses to Xavier.
Nova, Creighton, UConn, and DePaul already have their spots locked in at 1, 2,3, and 11, and a loss by MU locks them in at 10. The other 6 teams would have these records, pending results of the other two games (Villanova vs Providence and St. John's vs Seton Hall) :
Seton Hall 10-8
St. John's 9-9
Xavier 7-6
Providence 8-10
Georgetown 7-9
Butler 8-12
Marquette 7-12
Butler would be locked in at 9 and Seton Hall and Xavier couldn't fall lower than 6, removing them as possible MU opponents. The worst case scenario for St. John's would be a loss combined with a Providence win over Villanova, which would leave them in a tie for the 6 spot with Providence.St. John's would win that tiebreaker (2 wins over PC) , putting PC in the 7 spot.
The bottom line is that in the scenario you started with, MU would face Providence if the Friars beat Villanova, and Georgetown if Villanova wins.
St. John's could fall to the 7 seed in scenarios involving Georgetown beating UConn and St. John's losing to Seton Hall.
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Given the events of the last couple of days, the Big East Tournament is wide open.
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This is what I've been looking at:
http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb
In the scenario you described Connecticut beats Georgetown, Creighton beats Butler, and Marquette loses to Xavier.
Nova, Creighton, UConn, and DePaul already have their spots locked in at 1, 2,3, and 11, and a loss by MU locks them in at 10. The other 6 teams would have these records, pending results of the other two games (Villanova vs Providence and St. John's vs Seton Hall) :
Seton Hall 10-8
St. John's 9-9
Xavier 7-6
Providence 8-10
Georgetown 7-9
Butler 8-12
Marquette 7-12
Butler would be locked in at 9 and Seton Hall and Xavier couldn't fall lower than 6, removing them as possible MU opponents. The worst case scenario for St. John's would be a loss combined with a Providence win over Villanova, which would leave them in a tie for the 6 spot with Providence.St. John's would win that tiebreaker (2 wins over PC) , putting PC in the 7 spot.
The bottom line is that in the scenario you started with, MU would face Providence if the Friars beat Villanova, and Georgetown if Villanova wins.
St. John's could fall to the 7 seed in scenarios involving Georgetown beating UConn and St. John's losing to Seton Hall.
Thanks!
If all TRANK favored teams win on Sat, standings would look like this:
1. Villanova (12 - 3)
2. Creighton (14 - 6)
3. UConn (11 - 6)
4. Seton Hall (11 - 8)
5. St John's (9 - 10)
6. Xavier (6 - 7)
7. G'town (7 - 9)
8. Providence (8 - 11) Defeated Marquette based on winning percentage against #3 teams [UConn] (1-1).
9. Marquette (8 - 11) Lost to Providence based on winning percentage against #3 teams [UConn] (0-2).
10. Butler (8 - 12)
11. DePaul (2 - 13)
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This probably as good of a draw as we can hope for assuming we also win tomorrow. But this requires Butler to beat Creighton which I guess is possible, but doubtful.
1. Villanova (12 - 3)
2. Creighton (13 - 7)
3. UConn (11 - 6)
4. Seton Hall (11 - 8)
5. St John's (9 - 10)
6. Xavier (6 - 7)
7. Butler (9 - 11)
8. G'town (7 - 9)
9. Providence (8 - 11) Defeated Marquette based on winning percentage against #3 teams [UConn] (1-1).
10. Marquette (8 - 11) Lost to Providence based on winning percentage against #3 teams [UConn] (0-2).
11. DePaul (2 - 13)
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Look, I realize running the table is extremely doubtful. However, this is not the B12 or B10 where we literally have no chance. The fact of the matter is most of the conf has similar issues to us and are extremely beatable. To say that things haven't gotten a lot more interesting for the bottom feeders in the BET(minus DePaul) is incorrect.
It's unfortunate that we beat ourselves with boneheaded plays, unconscionable bricking. wild inconsistency, and periods of wtf is going on with the entire team looking lost along with the coaches. I don't have any clear answers why this happens so often despite accepting we have serious deficiencies.
I have called for this thing to be MOAB'ed as soon as possible and for us to get a coach in here that can turn this around. Nothing will change my opinion on this front. Nevertheless, don't tell me we have no shot. We absolutely have the talent to beat every team in this league including the top 3.
If I was in the locker room, while you never wish an opposing player to get injured or the mess at Creighton, I would be giddy. You would see me working on my ball skills and limited hops with enthusiasm and relishing this opportunity. I'd be zooming around, doing the best I could to motivate the guys, and be confident starting tomorrow. To quote Al Neary in the Godfather who when pondering with Michael Corleone can they get Hyman Roth in broad daylight? : "Difficult, not impossible". You're damn right. Nothing is over people. Carpe Diem.
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Collin Gillespie is not Giannis or Steph Curry. Villanova would still steamroll everyone in the conference outside of Creighton in a tournament setting. They’ll be in the championship again - just watch.
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True....
Believe it or not we have a punchers chance.
Riiiiiggghhhhtttt. I have a bridge for sale.
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Yeah. I’m not really excited about our ability to go on a long run, but with Gillespie out and McDermott suspended, anything can happen.
Yeah butt, da playas ar gonna go out and wynn won four McDermy, hey?
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We haven’t won more than 2 in a row all season and now we have a puncher’s chance to reel off 4 wins in 4 days?! With this coach and this thin and inconsistent team? Sounds more like a punch drunk prediction
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We haven’t won more than 2 in a row all season and now we have a puncher’s chance to reel off 4 wins in 4 days?! With this coach and this thin and inconsistent team? Sounds more like a punch drunk prediction
It's wojos 4D chess this way team 3 and 4 won't take us seriously
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We haven’t won more than 2 in a row all season and now we have a puncher’s chance to reel off 4 wins in 4 days?! With this coach and this thin and inconsistent team? Sounds more like a punch drunk prediction
I agree that it's not likely but you can't lose hope Boone. I think there's about a 5-10%, chance, just my guess. None of these teams would scare me at all. I do agree that there is no evidence we can play at a reasonable level for 4 straight games but psychologically things can change in a tourney win or go home format. We have absolutely no pressure, maybe they will surprise people?
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We haven’t won more than 2 in a row all season and now we have a puncher’s chance to reel off 4 wins in 4 days?! With this coach and this thin and inconsistent team? Sounds more like a punch drunk prediction
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There is a 0% chance the Big East gets 3 bids. Zero.
edit: Maybe, I will soften that a bit. But at least 1 of Seton Hall or Xavier are going to get in. And I think both is more likely than neither. Though if we beat X tomorrow, they're really reeling. Big game for them.
If the season ended now, I think it would be 3. If SHU and Xavier lose Saturday (both are road underdogs) they likely need the autobid. This league is not good. The only version of this league that was worse was 2019.
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We haven’t won more than 2 in a row all season and now we have a puncher’s chance to reel off 4 wins in 4 days?! With this coach and this thin and inconsistent team? Sounds more like a punch drunk prediction
We need to frame it differently. We are really good at winning one in a row.
So we just have to win one in a row....four times.
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We haven’t won more than 2 in a row all season and now we have a puncher’s chance to reel off 4 wins in 4 days?! With this coach and this thin and inconsistent team? Sounds more like a punch drunk prediction
I’d be happy if they ever won 2 games in a Big East tournament again
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I’d be happy if they ever won 2 games in a Big East tournament again
Going on a decade. 2011 was the last time we won two BET games in the same tournament.
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Going on a decade. 2011 was the last time we won two BET games in the same tournament.
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Pain.
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If the season ended now, I think it would be 3. If SHU and Xavier lose Saturday (both are road underdogs) they likely need the autobid. This league is not good. The only version of this league that was worse was 2019.
If you go by KenPom, it actually ends up 5/8.
1. 19-20: +15.49 AdjEM (6 NCAAs, 1-2 NITs*)
2. 17-18: +15.33 AdjEM (6 NCAAs, 1 NIT)
3. 16-17: +14.54 AdjEM (7 NCAAs, 0 NITs)
4. 14-15: +14.24 AdjEM (6 NCAAs, 0 NITs)
5. 20-21: +14.10 AdjEM ???
6. 15-16: +13.94 AdjEM (5 NCAAs, 1 NIT)
7. 13-14: +12.26 AdjEM(4 NCAAs, 2 NITs)
8. 18-19: +10.46 AdjEM (4 NCAAs, 5 NITs)
Man, 18-19 was a weird year. 9 teams in the postseason, Depaul had a winning record, still the worst. Parity sucks.
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Also, historically weak? The Big East isn't even the worst high major conference in the current season.
Historically Asian it’s history. When has the Big East been this bad?
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Historically Asian it’s history. When has the Big East been this bad?
According to one post above yours, Kenpom says 18-19, 13-14, and 15-16 were all worse seasons by the Big East.
All timer, hey?
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Historically Asian it’s history. When has the Big East been this bad?
Early 90’s, post-heyday was pretty bad, mediocre
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Bam.
Exactly Dr. B.
I refuse to believe we have no chance.
Whatever happened to hope? Andy D. escaped Shawshank Prison.
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If you go by KenPom, it actually ends up 5/8.
1. 19-20: +15.49 AdjEM (6 NCAAs, 1-2 NITs*)
2. 17-18: +15.33 AdjEM (6 NCAAs, 1 NIT)
3. 16-17: +14.54 AdjEM (7 NCAAs, 0 NITs)
4. 14-15: +14.24 AdjEM (6 NCAAs, 0 NITs)
5. 20-21: +14.10 AdjEM ???
6. 15-16: +13.94 AdjEM (5 NCAAs, 1 NIT)
7. 13-14: +12.26 AdjEM(4 NCAAs, 2 NITs)
8. 18-19: +10.46 AdjEM (4 NCAAs, 5 NITs)
Man, 18-19 was a weird year. 9 teams in the postseason, Depaul had a winning record, still the worst. Parity sucks.
I don't think comparing AdjEM this year is an equal comparison. This year's Big East is the highest scored 5th placed league in the past decade and would've been the 2nd or 3rd ranked league many years. According to AdjEM, both Nova and Creighton this year are better than the Xavier 1-seed of a few years back and better than any Big East teams of the past 5 years other than the Nova 2017 1-seed & 2018 national champs. And let's be real, neither of those teams are as good as any of the top-3 Big East teams from last year.
AdjEM seems flawed this year if you're going to compare it to other years, likely because we didn't have as many games against top non-con competition.
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Buster 'only' had to floor Iron Mike in one fight. Wojo has to do the basketball equivalent 4 times. Ain't happening
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Buster 'only' had to floor Iron Mike in one fight. Wojo has to do the basketball equivalent 4 times. Ain't happening
MU only needs one KO- Nova or UCONN. We can beat the rest.
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KO took down Kentucky. Wee got Wojo now. Ain't happenin', hey?
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KO took down Kentucky. Wee got Wojo now. Ain't happenin', hey?
Who was the coach when we took down #1 Nova?
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KO took down Kentucky. Wee got Wojo now. Ain't happenin', hey?
Should have paid KO more
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Eh, personally I don't care about conference standings in a normal year. I really don't care in a year where the teams are playing unbalanced schedules. We didn't get to play Georgetown at home, the 2nd or 3rd easiest game on the schedule (though fully admit that easy games aren't necessarily a layup for us). Three of the four teams directly ahead of us in the standings will finish the season with less conference games played than we did, including X who completely avoided Villanova. Add in the fact that when all is said and done, we will likely finish 1 game back of 5th place, I don't think the conference standings really tell you a complete picture.
What I do care about is that we will finish nowhere near the bubble in a year that we should have been able to earn an at large bid given the roster assembled.
Yep. Well said.
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Big East Tournament Odds. MU at 66/1... 8-)
https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/big-east-tournament-predictions-odds/
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Big East Tournament Odds. MU at 66/1... 8-)
https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/big-east-tournament-predictions-odds/
We may need UCONN to get a covid outbreak Herman.
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The 16 of the 32 possible outcomes of today’s BE games that involved Georgetown beating UConn can be crossed off the board.
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The 16 of the 32 possible outcomes of today’s BE games than involved Georgetown beating UConn can be crossed off the board.
Hah, they probably could have been crossed off before we crossed off "MU wins the BET".
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Big East Tournament Odds. MU at 66/1... 8-)
https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/big-east-tournament-predictions-odds/
So, those 66-1 odds translate into roughly a 1.6% chance of winning.
Even at those odds that would be a bad bet.
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Blue, the BEast and ACC tourneys look wide open to me. I'm not saying we're likely win two games, let alone run the table, but the odds are a lot better than 1/66. ND beat FSU today. I really don't care what anyone says,, the opportunity is there. Obviously, UCONN looks to have found their gear but if we put together two solid performances anything can happen in the SF. Nova is a different team without Gillespie, Creighton is dealing with significant turmoil. The MU team that ran UNC out the gym absolutely can be a factor in the BET. The question is whether we can find any consistency for more than a game and if Wojo figures out how we can break ball pressure.
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Who was the coach when we took down #1 Nova?
Not allowed to ask that. Every good win we've had since 2014 was DESPITE Wojo. And every loss was BECAUSE OF Wojo. Learn the rules!
One thing this season should have taught all college basketball fans is that aside from the top half-dozen or so teams, anybody is extremely beatable. And that includes Nova without Gillespie.
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Blue, the BEast and ACC tourneys look wide open to me. I'm not saying we're likely win two games, let alone run the table, but the odds are a lot better than 1/66. ND beat FSU today. I really don't care what anyone says,, the opportunity is there. Obviously, UCONN looks to have found their gear but if we put together two solid performances anything can happen in the SF. Nova is a different team without Gillespie, Creighton is dealing with significant turmoil. The MU team that ran UNC out the gym absolutely can be a factor in the BET. The question is whether we can find any consistency for more than a game and if Wojo figures out how we can break ball pressure.
We’ve had 23 chances to win 3 games in a row. We’ve done it 0 times. We’d need to win not just 3 games in a row for the first time all year, but also a fourth. The chances are not a lot better than a 1/66 chance.
Yes, MU beat UNC. Yes, Notre Dame beat Florida State. That’s 1 good performance out of one opportunity. That is certainly possible. Four good performances with only four opportunities? Not happening.
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We’ve had 23 chances to win 3 games in a row. We’ve done it 0 times. We’d need to win not just 3 games in a row for the first time all year, but also a fourth. The chances are not a lot better than a 1/66 chance.
Yes, MU beat UNC. Yes, Notre Dame beat Florida State. That’s 1 good performance out of one opportunity. That is certainly possible. Four good performances with only four opportunities? Not happening.
You're right that it's very unlikely but if Moore and Gillespie are out? I guess what you're saying is that it's inconceivable we catch lightning in a bottle? I understand...perhaps I am overshooting.
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You're right that it's very unlikely but if Moore and Gillespie are out? I guess what you're saying is that it's inconceivable we catch lightning in a bottle? I understand...perhaps I am overshooting.
Yes, pretty inconceivable. We weren’t playing a schedule full of fully healthy Nova and not in turmoil Creighton. We had a stretch of Georgetown, UCONN, Providence, St. John’s, DePaul, Providence, St. John’s, Butler and could not win 3 in a row. The three prior games to that was also Seton Hall, Xavier, Nova.
This team has shown absolutely no ability to string together multiple games of quality play. The idea that we’re suddenly going to do it 4 times in 4 games is pretty inconceivable to me. I mean, I think you even started a thread asking what single game we would win the rest of the season about two weeks ago. Meaning you didn’t think we’d beat any of Butler, DePaul, or Xavier, and then one of the bottom 4 teams in the first round of the BET. Now you think we have a “puncher’s chance” to beat, say, Butler, then Creighton, then UCONN, then either Nova or Seton Hall in consecutive games?
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Yes, pretty inconceivable. We weren’t playing a schedule full of fully healthy Nova and not in turmoil Creighton. We had a stretch of Georgetown, UCONN, Providence, St. John’s, DePaul, Providence, St. John’s, Butler and could not win 3 in a row. The three prior games to that was also Seton Hall, Xavier, Nova.
This team has shown absolutely no ability to string together multiple games of quality play. The idea that we’re suddenly going to do it 4 times in 4 games is pretty inconceivable to me. I mean, I think you even started a thread asking what single game we would win the rest of the season about two weeks ago. Meaning you didn’t think we’d beat any of Butler, DePaul, or Xavier, and then one of the bottom 4 teams in the first round of the BET. Now you think we have a “puncher’s chance” to beat, say, Butler, then Creighton, then UCONN, then either Nova or Seton Hall in consecutive games?
Fair enough. I just think everyone is vulnerable.
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Yes, pretty inconceivable. We weren’t playing a schedule full of fully healthy Nova and not in turmoil Creighton. We had a stretch of Georgetown, UCONN, Providence, St. John’s, DePaul, Providence, St. John’s, Butler and could not win 3 in a row. The three prior games to that was also Seton Hall, Xavier, Nova.
This team has shown absolutely no ability to string together multiple games of quality play. The idea that we’re suddenly going to do it 4 times in 4 games is pretty inconceivable to me. I mean, I think you even started a thread asking what single game we would win the rest of the season about two weeks ago. Meaning you didn’t think we’d beat any of Butler, DePaul, or Xavier, and then one of the bottom 4 teams in the first round of the BET. Now you think we have a “puncher’s chance” to beat, say, Butler, then Creighton, then UCONN, then either Nova or Seton Hall in consecutive games?
Well, these are kids and things can click for them and a team when nobody expects as much. I love DJs play the last few games (maybe 3s start falling, too), Garcia has found his stride, and Lewis has a few games under his belt after his injury...to say nothing of the Elliott revelation and Cain’s overall competence. I’ll believe because of the above and why not?
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I don't think we're gonna win 4 straight either. No sane person would think that.
But we can win our first. And then our second. And then maybe our third. And then perhaps our fourth.
I'll worry about any of the latter 3 after we get the first one. Which we might not.
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Unfortunate there are no fans at the BET this year. Would have been a lot of fun in a year with so many teams in a position to win a couple in a row.
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I don't think we're gonna win 4 straight either. No sane person would think that.
But we can win our first. And then our second. And then maybe our third. And then perhaps our fourth.
I'll worry about any of the latter 3 after we get the first one. Which we might not.
That’s the only way to look at it.
With Creighton rolling over Butler, MUs situation is straightforward:
Win tonight and get the 9 seed vs 8 seed Georgetown.
Lose tonight and get the 10 seed vs 7 seed Providence.
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Justin Moore of Villanova with severe sprain ankle
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31017087/villanova-justin-moore-suffers-sprained-ankle-vs-providence
Creighton comfortably ahead of Butler . So seems like they are getting their focus back on basketball.
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As noted above, win tonight and we get on the top side with Georgetown and a depleted Nova. Georgetown is not a bad matchup for us and IMO is preferable to Providence. Win that one and you get to roll the dice vs Nova sans Moore and Gillespie. Semifinal against SHU or SJU.
I doubt MU makes a run but if they can win tonight they get as ideal of a setup as you could wish for.
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As noted above, win tonight and we get on the top side with Georgetown and a depleted Nova. Georgetown is not a bad matchup for us and IMO is preferable to Providence. Win that one and you get to roll the dice vs Nova sans Moore and Gillespie. Semifinal against SHU or SJU.
I doubt MU makes a run but if they can win tonight they get as ideal of a setup as you could wish for.
Exactly. Tonight will tell us a lot. Hopefully we show up.
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I doubt MU makes a run but if they can win tonight they get as ideal of a setup as you could wish for.
A win tonight gives MU the best possible chance to make a big east tournament run (albeit a small one). That said, I’m more expecting them to just crap the bed tonight which would give them a much harder route.
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Iz crappin' da bedd similar ta peein' down won's leg, hey?
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One of MU's biggest problem has been inconsistency. About every time we won the SOG of that game played very poorly the next game. The only way this team wins the Big East tournament is that 3 of our players get hot for four straight games. I think it is easier to stay hot for four days than its is when the games are several days apart. I seen it often in the Big East tournament where one team plays well everyday. It may not be likely, but it can happen for MU.
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About every time we won the SOG of that game played very poorly the next game.
That's EXACTLY why I didn't post one!
(oh crap, seriously, I just forgot)
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How many times has a sub .500 BE team made the BET finals?
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The Hall loses to The Johnnies . I think The Hall is going to need to make a deep run in the BET
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How many times has a sub .500 BE team made the BET finals?
How many times have over half the BE been under .500 (in conference play)!?
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The Hall loses to The Johnnies . I think The Hall is going to need to make a deep run in the BET
If by deep run, you mean win the whole thing, you're right.
Unfortunate there are no fans at the BET this year. Would have been a lot of fun in a year with so many teams in a position to win a couple in a row.
There will be limited fans. UConn will probably buy up all the allotments.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/ncaa/big-east-tournament-allow-limited-fans-madison-square-garden?cid=Yahoo&partner=ya4nbcs
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About every time we won the SOG of that game played very poorly the next game.
See my strategy of not letting DJ know he won too early worked!
How many times have over half the BE been under .500 (in conference play)!?
Also, seriously, 6 of 11 teams below .500 in conference. Friggin covid!
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See my strategy of not letting DJ know he won too early worked!
Also, seriously, 6 of 11 teams below .500 in conference. Friggin covid!
What does Covid have to do with 6 teams being below .500?
Conference records are obviously a zero sum game, and in an 11 team conference, 6 teams under .500 doesn’t seem too unusual.
Just two years ago only 2 conference teams were above .500.
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It didn't take long for the cocky U Conn ways to reappear once they re-joined. They are confident they will win the BET and talking Final Four.......
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-amore-column-uconn-georgetown-20210307-20210306-kxrxmtbpznc33i64ft4eqxlbs4-story.html
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They may not be wrong.
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It didn't take long for the cocky U Conn ways to reappear once they re-joined. They are confident they will win the BET and talking Final Four.......
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-amore-column-uconn-georgetown-20210307-20210306-kxrxmtbpznc33i64ft4eqxlbs4-story.html
The BET can be brutal to those who expect a cakewalk. UCONN seems to be peaking and has the right mentality. Let's see what adversity brings.
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What does Covid have to do with 6 teams being below .500?
Conference records are obviously a zero sum game, and in an 11 team conference, 6 teams under .500 doesn’t seem too unusual.
With a balanced schedule, it's not impossible but certainly not likely in a major conference to have over half the teams with a losing record. I just quickly scanned the P6 for the past decade, and only see that the B10 accomplished the feat in 18-19 (8 of 14 with losing records). So yes, it is unusual. Hence, covid :)
Just two years ago only 2 conference teams were above .500.
Sure, if you change the criteria to .500 or below, it is not too unusual.
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The Hall and Johnnies will be in a rematch after the first round games are completed.
https://www.nj.com/digitalsubscription/inline/?utm_campaign=spec_news&utm_source=bluebar&utm_medium=INL&utm_keyword=ACQ-ADH0-2013a
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Hmm...BET in the Garden but NIT in Texas.
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Seton Hall Press acknowledging season circling the drain...
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2021/03/06/seton-hall-st-johns-basketball/4582128001/
I think they need to up Aiken minutes . He adds some speed.
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It was interesting during the halftime of the Women's semi-final game today, that the announcers (jim Jackson ) mentioned MU as a dark horse for the Mens Tournament. Noting prob beatG-Town and have to face the injury depleted 'Nova ! ! !
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Hot off the press ... just got this in my email basket from BetOnline.ag:
Odds to win BIG EAST Tournament
Creighton 11/5
Villanova 9/4
UConn 13/5
Xavier 15/2
Seton Hall 10/1
St. John's 10/1
Providence 28/1
Marquette 33/1
Georgetown 66/1
Butler 100/1
DePaul 300/1
Obviously, I liked the value a lot better in the one I posted yesterday that had MU and StJ both at 66/1. At 10/1, the Johnnies are a lot less appealing. Marquette is still a decent value play at 33/1.
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Who knows
Creighton doesnt have a coach.
Uconns to lose. I say we wanna avoid them so I guess 9 it is.
It's not the worst path. Gtown, a super dinged up Nova, and then the winner of STJ/SH. It's not the worst path. But this team is hella inconsistent--so who knows.
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We got this.
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We got this.
MU's odds of a BET Royal Flush just doubled with X win! 1.5% to 3.0%!!!
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https://friars.com/news/2021/3/7/mens-basketball-game-notes-vs-depaul.aspx
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It's not the worst path. Gtown, a super dinged up Nova, and then the winner of STJ/SH. It's not the worst path. But this team is hella inconsistent--so who knows.
Its literally the best possible matchup scenario.
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Too bad no fans at the tournament this year. The tournament environment is a lot of fun When so many teams have a chance to win it.
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Too bad no fans at the tournament this year. The tournament environment is a lot of fun When so many teams have a chance to win it.
Some fans allowed
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Johnnies feel good about their season and prospects heading into tournament
https://nypost.com/2021/03/07/st-johns-season-has-been-a-smashing-success/
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Its literally the best possible matchup scenario.
Need our heroes to get er done. One of my best friends went to Appalachian State and his team just punched its ticket, and another of my best friends went to St. Bonaventure and they're in the A-10 title game. Watching MU lose is bad enough; losing bragging rights makes it suck even more!
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2021/03/07/analysis-xavier-has-played-itself-into-corner/4608867001/
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/03/09/lineup-change-smothering-defense-give-georgetown-chance-big-east-tournament/
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NY Post touting The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2021/03/09/big-east-tournament-st-johns-staring-at-wide-open-draw/
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https://nypost.com/2021/03/09/fox-sports-analyst-donyell-marshall-talks-all-things-big-east-tournament/
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MU's chance of advancing by round per Pomeroy:
Marquette 55.5 13.4 5.5 1.7
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MUBB playground walk through this morning:
https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1369671671435718667?s=19
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Jose Perez did not make the trip to NYC for “personal reasons”
Aka “Ed morrow reasons” probably.
Although hopefully not.
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X down 1 to Butler in OT. Entertaining game but if it holds, not great for the BE.
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It looked like X fouled the driver intentionally. Strange.
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It looked like X fouled the driver intentionally. Strange.
good, I'm not the only person who thought that.
Have fun in North Dallas, X (though those uniforms are awesome).
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X is officially out of the tournament and probably shouldn't have been in the conversation of being in the field.
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It looked like X fouled the driver intentionally. Strange.
No idea why they did that. Really dumb foul deep in the shot clock.
BU wins
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Gotta be some ticked off Butler fans who want Jordan fired!
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Gotta be some ticked off Butler fans who want Jordan fired!
they're still going to (likely) finish 10-15.
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Butler found a way to win tonight...why didnt MU? At least the season is over.
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Xavier questionable coaching at the end.
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Being an X fan might be worse than being an MU fan to end this season. Safely on the bubble, then lose to a mediocre Georgetown team, bad MU team and even worse Butler team to end the season.
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Xavier questionable coaching at the end.
Why did they foul? Looked intentional to foul with 3.7 left.
Did X coach believe the kid, being a freshman would choke? Did coach even know they were over the limit? Strange.....
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DePaul is fun to watch tonight. Playing with high energy. Trying to knock off Cooley.
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Wow, what a bunch of quitters Providence players are. Clearly, they gave up on Cooley. Didn't they know what was at stake? Unforgiveable!
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All the BE underdogs won today. I feel like that happens many years on Wed, but I haven't looked back.
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Wow, what a bunch of quitters Providence players are. Clearly, they gave up on Cooley. Didn't they know what was at stake? Unforgiveable!
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2f264df6e693499ad0b637403bee393e/tenor.gif?itemid=8085695)
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Wow, what a bunch of quitters Providence players are. Clearly, they gave up on Cooley. Didn't they know what was at stake? Unforgiveable!
Cooley walked off the floor with time remaining on the game clock. I wonder if there is something brewing at Providence...
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Cooley walked off the floor with time remaining on the game clock. I wonder if there is something brewing at Providence...
Cooley to MU?!
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(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2f264df6e693499ad0b637403bee393e/tenor.gif?itemid=8085695)
Today, I'd rather have smoked some!
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Today, I'd rather have smoked some!
Whoa, I just had to google, can't believe NC isn't collecting tax revenue on that yet! idiots!
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Whoa, I just had to google, can't believe NC isn't collecting tax revenue on that yet! idiots!
Yeah ... change comes slowly down here.
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Dodds?
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Marquette game is on FS1 again now
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Cooley walked off the floor with time remaining on the game clock. I wonder if there is something brewing at Providence...
BC
Being an X fan might be worse than being an MU fan to end this season. Safely on the bubble, then lose to a mediocre Georgetown team, bad MU team and even worse Butler team to end the season.
Xavier fans seem quite sick of Travis Steele.
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Nova Georgetown tied. Coming down to last possession.
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Hoyas advance. Wow.
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Glad the Hoyas won. Hope they win again tomorrow. Nova tried to be sneaky by underplaying the severity of Moore’s injury.
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Moore played 27 minutes. Looked like Villanova took control. Congrats to Georgetown on hanging in and making winning plays.
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Georgetown went 23 for 23 at the Free Throw Line, and won by 1 point over Villanova.
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I’m officially rooting for Georgetown. That program has been through a lot and it would really benefit the conference if they could get some momentum. Plus, Ewing seems like a guy who does things the right way.
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Cooley walked off the floor with time remaining on the game clock. I wonder if there is something brewing at Providence...
Wasn't it last week some outlet (The Athletic, perhaps) said there would be a major change in the BE, and not one we expected/saw coming? Hmmm...
Cooley to BC?
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Hoping St John’s wins this next one...big.
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Xavier trying to add more games. I hope that gets shut down. Their season should be over.
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Freshman Harris wins for Butler
Freshman Harris wins for Georgetown
Next year freshman Mitchell wins for MU, no Harris enroute yet.
Go DePaul, Georgetown and St. Johns.
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Xavier trying to add more games. I hope that gets shut down. Their season should be over.
Agree but I respect the hell out of the try.
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Big win for Georgetown. Will be good for the semi final TV ratings.
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Big win for Georgetown. Will be good for the semi final TV ratings.
Georgetown 3-8 going no where, then has covid, then goes 8-4 and may be going somewhere
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James Breeden Reffed the Marquette game yesterday and is reffing the Seton Hall game today.
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SJU-SHU isn't a great game but it's competitive. Tim Brando is awful, as always.
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SJU-SHU isn't a great game but it's competitive. Tim Brando is awful, as always.
Brando's got what plants crave.
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SJU-SHU isn't a great game but it's competitive. Tim Brando is awful, as always.
You might as well stick a knife in me. ;)
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St. John's misses three wide-open three's in OT. SHU did a great job getting rebounds and taking away drives. SHU now has a great opportunity to steal a bid.
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Damn...was rooting for St.J.
I will be rooting for G-Town.
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So far, 4 of the 5 BET games have been very entertaining.
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BET security didn't know who Ewing was?
https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/big-east-tournament-patrick-ewing-furious-at-msg-security/
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BET security didn't know who Ewing was?
https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/big-east-tournament-patrick-ewing-furious-at-msg-security/
if it were "his house" he'd have hoisted a NBA title banner. But, alas...
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BET security didn't know who Ewing was?
https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/big-east-tournament-patrick-ewing-furious-at-msg-security/
Ewing is quickly becoming one of, if not already, my favorites coaches.
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Ewing is quickly becoming one of, if not already, my favorites coaches.
Him screaming ROLL at his screener every time there was a ball screen at the top of the key and then watching us flail in the wind defensively, giving up easy bucket after easy bucket may be his easiest coaching job of all time.
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So far, 4 of the 5 BET games have been very entertaining.
Now 4 of 6. And I'd be shocked if it got to 5 of 7. We'll see.
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Xavier trying to add more games. I hope that gets shut down. Their season should be over.
Disagree. They only played 21 games. They hoped to be playing tomorrow and Saturday, may as well let them get games in. Especially with the Big East desperate for bids.
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Nova lost to Georgetown too! Nova sucks too! Fire Wright!
Oh, I know what people are saying: “Yeah, but Nova didn’t have Gillespie and Moore.”
Well, we didn’t have Gillespie and Moore, either!
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The Hall gains some momentum out of win from Johnnies.
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Semi Finals are always the best part of the Big East Tournament. Should be a couple of rock fights tonight.
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Wasn't it last week some outlet (The Athletic, perhaps) said there would be a major change in the BE, and not one we expected/saw coming? Hmmm...
Cooley to BC?
It was Coaching Changes on Twitter, and it was in reference to McD prior to the story coming out.
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Semi Finals are always the best part of the Big East Tournament. Should be a couple of rock fights tonight.
I'm more excited to go back to MSG for BET than I am to get to Fiserv next year.
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Classic battle between The Hoyas and The Hall. Can only imagine what the game would be like with a full crowd.
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Classic battle between The Hoyas and The Hall. Can only imagine what the game would be like with a full crowd.
I really hope G-Town finds a way. I think I hate Willard more than I realized.
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I'm more excited to go back to MSG for BET than I am to get to Fiserv next year.
It’s a fantastic experience. Seton Hall fans are by far the biggest and most profane, vulgar dbags of them all so I always hope they lose.
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It’s a fantastic experience. Seton Hall fans are by far the biggest and most profane, vulgar dbags of them all so I always hope they lose.
Well said CR!
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It’s a fantastic experience. Seton Hall fans are by far the biggest and most profane, vulgar dbags of them all so I always hope they lose.
I was there a few years back when MU played The Hall in the semis. A bunch of drunken idiots yelling shiver me timbers.
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All I can think watching this game is...god damn I miss watching a tough team. That used to be our brand before softy Wojo came along.
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All I can think watching this game is...god damn I miss watching a tough team. That used to be our brand before softy Wojo came along.
Donny Marshall stated MU has "no identity". I think he was spot-on. We desperately need to get back to finding tougher players and rosters with fewer ball stoppers that have minimal ball-skills.
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I was there a few years back when MU played The Hall in the semis. A bunch of drunken idiots yelling shiver me timbers.
I’ll take that over the “we’d be in the Ivy League but we’re too good in sports” d-bag Georgetown fans.
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Donny Marshall stated MU has "no identity". I think he was spot-on. We desperately need to get back to finding tougher players and rosters with fewer ball stoppers that have minimal ball-skills.
We’ve been Wojowashed
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Bam. Great job by Ewing and the Hoyas.
Buh-Bye to the Hall. :)
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Big Win for Georgetown tonight.
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Big Win for Georgetown tonight.
Awesome. They had less odds on this run than MU. Great job by Patrick turning around last year's issues.
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Fu ck the Hall
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I'm not sure it's good news that Georgetown is ascending while MU is going to keep Wojo around and tank another season.
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I'm not sure it's good news that Georgetown is ascending while MU is going to keep Wojo around and tank another season.
Maybe if we let our feelings be known the BOT will make the right decision? I'm not sure we have vented enough about the issues of our HC. :)
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For the that missed the interview with Stone, Lavin. Marshall and Ewing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1370543629052305409
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Awesome. They had less odds on this run than MU. Great job by Patrick turning around last year's issues.
Yes, he did a great job covering up sexual assaults and other crimes by players. Akinjo transferred (and got a waiver) because he didn’t want to be around it.
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I'm not sure it's good news that Georgetown is ascending while MU is going to keep Wojo around and tank another season.
I think it’s good. You reap what you sow.
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Maybe if we let our feelings be known the BOT will make the right decision? I'm not sure we have vented enough about the issues of our HC. :)
Georgetown wins posts:
Part I of sentence: Great win Georgetown, keep it going good for Big East.
Part II of sentence: How the win relates to Wojo Sucks.
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Say what you want about Ewing but the guy is a good coach. His teams have improved from their starting point most of his years.
Player retention and the understanding of 365 nature of the college game has been his issue.
Bump
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I'm not sure it's good news that Georgetown is ascending while MU is going to keep Wojo around and tank another season.
Definitely good for the conference as a whole. I share your concern about becoming a perennial bottom feeder though.
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Yes, he did a great job covering up sexual assaults and other crimes by players. Akinjo transferred (and got a waiver) because he didn’t want to be around it.
Remind me of the coverup details and arrests/convictions? I do remember they openly kicked the players out of school quickly but was it was because the press exposed it?
Also McClung left too as a result of the shytshow.
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Remind me of the coverup details and arrests/convictions? I do remember they openly kicked the players out of school quickly but was it was because the press exposed it?
Also McClung left too as a result of the shytshow.
Yeah, it seems like the dismissal of those players was pretty swift. Just because we suck doesn't mean we need to get on a high horse every time some other program has a transgression. The fact that the *only* feather in Wojo's cap is that he runs a clean program actually makes me like him a little less.
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It would suck if UConn rejoins the league and promptly wins both men's and women's basketball tournaments. ABUC
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I like McDermotts adjustments down 11 points CU started taking most everything to the rack. Not sure if he did that since UConn was doing that but it worked 30-24 CU is up.
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I’m guessing there were one or two posters on GUScoop who said: “I think we beat Marquette ... and we can beat Nova without their guards ... and then we definitely can beat Hall or StJ.” ... and everybody else told those couple believers that they were idiots who slurp a horrible coach.
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I like McDermotts adjustments down 11 points CU started taking most everything to the rack. Not sure if he did that since UConn was doing that but it worked 30-24 CU is up.
CU’s last 2 baskets were 3s though
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I’m guessing there were one or two posters on GUScoop who said: “I think we beat Marquette ... and we can beat Nova without their guards ... and then we definitely can beat Hall or StJ.” ... and everybody else told those couple believers that they were idiots who slurp a horrible coach.
(http://cdn.gamer-network.net/2017/usgamer/yep.gif)
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Early on, it looked like Creighton wasn’t trying. But later in the half, it was UConn that quit.
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I’m guessing there were one or two posters on GUScoop who said: “I think we beat Marquette ... and we can beat Nova without their guards ... and then we definitely can beat Hall or StJ.” ... and everybody else told those couple believers that they were idiots who slurp a horrible coach.
Ha! That’s probably on point.
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UCONN had a real dud stretch after going up 11-2.
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Speaking of dud performances....Iowa?? WTH? Hopefully they get it together.
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I’m guessing there were one or two posters on GUScoop who said: “I think we beat Marquette ... and we can beat Nova without their guards ... and then we definitely can beat Hall or StJ.” ... and everybody else told those couple believers that they were idiots who slurp a horrible coach.
I’m guessing the one or two posters on MU Scoop who said: “I think we beat Georgetown”...were idiots who slurp a horrible coach.
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Garbage 3rd foul call on Sanogo.
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I’m guessing the one or two posters on MU Scoop who said: “I think we beat Georgetown”...were idiots who slurp a horrible coach.
An idiot? I plead guilty. What else is new, Lenny?
I'm a Marquette fan and yes, I figured we'd beat them. And that if we did, there was a decent chance against Nova because of their situation. And neither StJ nor Hall was super-scary.
Congrats to the idiot Hoya fans who ended up seeing their idiotic fandom come true.
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Well, Marquette is done, but the Big East Final will have two Jesuit schools in the game tomorrow.
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An idiot? I plead guilty. What else is new, Lenny?
I'm a Marquette fan and yes, I figured we'd beat them. And that if we did, there was a decent chance against Nova because of their situation. And neither StJ nor Hall was super-scary.
Congrats to the idiot Hoya fans who ended up seeing their idiotic fandom come true.
Mike
You’re no idiot. Just a fan with a sweet pair of blue and gold glasses.
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Mike
You’re no idiot. Just a fan with a sweet pair of blue and gold glasses.
I actually DO have a pair of blue and gold sunglasses! My daughter gave 'em to me a couple years ago.
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Well, Marquette is done, but the Big East Final will have two Jesuit schools in the game tomorrow.
Good for Creighton and Georgetown. Can’t believe Creighton has been to the Big East Tournament championship final game three times an we can’t sniff one. Very telling.
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Good to see Creighton hang in there and beat U Conn. U Conn was getting a little too cocksure going into the tournament .
Coach Ewing was pumped up during the TV interview last night.
This year has been a wide open BET and it has been interesting to see which teams have performed under the pressure .
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Good to see Creighton hang in there and beat U Conn. U Conn was getting a little too cocksure going into the tournament .
Coach Ewing was pumped up during the TV interview last night.
This year has been a wide open BET and it has been interesting to see which teams have performed under the pressure .
Agree that it was good to see UCONN (and their fans) humbled. I’ll be pulling for Georgetown the rest of the way. They’ve had a rough go of it and wouldn’t mind seeing them have some success.
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Mike
You’re no idiot. Just a fan with a sweet pair of blue and gold glasses.
Or who followed the Vegas line.
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Agree that it was good to see UCONN (and their fans) humbled. I’ll be pulling for Georgetown the rest of the way. They’ve had a rough go of it and wouldn’t mind seeing them have some success.
I'm pulling for them because it gives the BE another bid.
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Lots of excitement building on Hoya message board.
https://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32458/bet-georgetown-creighton-13-discussion?page=1
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MU has beaten the BET champion this season. We are not that far away!
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MU has beaten the BET champion this season. We are not that far away!
Tournament was wide open this year and MU squandered a great opportunity.
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Both Uconn and Creighton played at a much higher level of intensity....compared to MU ball.
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I'm pulling for them because it gives the BE another bid.
Yup, though I suspect it would knock Xavier out, so maybe a zero sum game, but better the sure thing than Georgetown loses & Xavier gets knocked out by Cincinnati or Oregon State anyway.
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Or who followed the Vegas line.
Well, picking us to beat Georgetown was hardly "idiotic."
I didn't predict any more than that, but I did say this was the kind of year that crazy things could happen in the tournament -- mostly due to Nova's situation -- and indeed, something crazy has.
Obviously, we all wish it could have been us instead of Georgetown pulling off the craziness. Well, most of us do, anyway. At least 10 Scoopers were rooting not only for us to lose, but to lose decisively. Congrats to them; as a bonus, it looks like they'll get to beyotch about Wojo for a whole 'nother year!
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Watching Georgetown has me a bit green with envy. Not because of this year, or thinking "that should be us" (even though it should) but because we haven't been to a conference tournament title game since 1997. That means at least 25 years between even playing for an auto bid. We've been in the Big East for 16 years and have only played in the semifinals 3 times.
Maybe they're a bit random, but there isn't much that's more fun than a tournament run. Conference or NCAA, hell, even that NIT run was a blast. But the only tournament you're ever guaranteed is the conference Tournament. It kind of sucks that we are so abjectly terrible at winning that format.
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Watching Georgetown has me a bit green with envy. Not because of this year, or thinking "that should be us" (even though it should) but because we haven't been to a conference tournament title game since 1997. That means at least 25 years between even playing for an auto bid. We've been in the Big East for 16 years and have only played in the semifinals 3 times.
Maybe they're a bit random, but there isn't much that's more fun than a tournament run. Conference or NCAA, hell, even that NIT run was a blast. But the only tournament you're ever guaranteed is the conference Tournament. It kind of sucks that we are so abjectly terrible at winning that format.
Who would’ve thought a team could lose three cornerstone players, have the lowest talent level in conference and instead of taking the easy way out and complaining about covid and tough scheduling, they go out and get better?!
What a concept.
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Who would’ve thought a team could lose three cornerstone players, have the lowest talent level in conference and instead of taking the easy way out and complaining about covid and tough scheduling, they go out and get better?!
What a concept.
I agree. Georgetown kept two core senior players in Blair and Pickett. Then take Wahab, who I believed was the most improved player in the Big East, who is both a defensive and offensive threat now. Add two senior transfers in Bile and Carey. The point guard Harris has also improved since the start of the season. Harris was a three star unranked recruit who had offers from Binghampton, Canisus and Toledo. Georgetown was the only major school to offer.
So, three seniors starting with an improved Wahab and freshman point guard. Thing is their bench is slim and cannot fathom how they survived this far. I assume everyone here will be rooting for them, it would be quite a great story.
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Watching Georgetown has me a bit green with envy. Not because of this year, or thinking "that should be us" (even though it should) but because we haven't been to a conference tournament title game since 1997. That means at least 25 years between even playing for an auto bid. We've been in the Big East for 16 years and have only played in the semifinals 3 times.
Maybe they're a bit random, but there isn't much that's more fun than a tournament run. Conference or NCAA, hell, even that NIT run was a blast. But the only tournament you're ever guaranteed is the conference Tournament. It kind of sucks that we are so abjectly terrible at winning that format.
Weren’t we in the CUSA Final vs Cinci in 2002? Either way it’s amazing how long that is.
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Who would’ve thought a team could lose three cornerstone players, have the lowest talent level in conference and instead of taking the easy way out and complaining about covid and tough scheduling, they go out and get better?!
What a concept.
They mentioned last night that Georgetown is the first team ever picked last in the league to advance to the Championship game. They had, on paper, the worst roster in the league yet managed to finish ahead of us, beat us at MSG, and, in spite of all their limitations, will play for a NCAA berth tonight. In terms of actual game coaching and getting his teams to come together, he does pretty well. While he rarely exceeds preseason expectations, his teams generally get better in February and March than they are in January (when his teams tend to bottom out).
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They mentioned last night that Georgetown is the first team ever picked last in the league to advance to the Championship game. They had, on paper, the worst roster in the league yet managed to finish ahead of us, beat us at MSG, and, in spite of all their limitations, will play for a NCAA berth tonight. In terms of actual game coaching and getting his teams to come together, he does pretty well. While he rarely exceeds preseason expectations, his teams generally get better in February and March than they are in January (when his teams tend to bottom out).
We have a Big East coach that ranks in the bottom 3 of the conference coaches, in a league where outside of Coach Wright is not ripe with all star coaching. Its sad that we can't make any runs in the Big East Tournament.
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Article from U Conn local media
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-amore-column-uconn-men-creighton-big-east-semifinals-20210313-20210313-5ihmru5qvnbdrhhj6k7sjczus4-story.html
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When They said on Fox air yesterday that MSG asked Patrick Ewing for his credentials it reminded me of one time my Daughter and I were at the Big East Tournament in MSG and an MU person and an MSG man came up to us and said their was a meeting going on in between games you should go to and gave us directions. We went down a flight down one hallway and down another hallway we could see the room and another MSG man stopped us and asked us for credentials which we did not have. We asked him what was going on in there and he said oh nothing they are just dropping beans whatever that meant. Also we saw Diane Sawyer and Charlie Gibson and got a picture with Diane. Charlie asked me for tickets to the next round. I called him with tickets but he did not return my call. There are many other stories NCAA tournament stories.
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https://nypost.com/2021/03/12/creighton-outlasts-uconn-to-reach-big-east-championship-game/
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Yeah butt, wee kould still make da Tourney as a COVID replacement teem, aina?
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Wow. Incredible half for G-town. Can they hold on? 36-18?? Creighton looks completely out of sorts.
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When They said on Fox air yesterday that MSG asked Patrick Ewing for his credentials it reminded me of one time my Daughter and I were at the Big East Tournament in MSG and an MU person and an MSG man came up to us and said their was a meeting going on in between games you should go to and gave us directions. We went down a flight down one hallway and down another hallway we could see the room and another MSG man stopped us and asked us for credentials which we did not have. We asked him what was going on in there and he said oh nothing they are just dropping beans whatever that meant. Also we saw Diane Sawyer and Charlie Gibson and got a picture with Diane. Charlie asked me for tickets to the next round. I called him with tickets but he did not return my call. There are many other stories NCAA tournament stories.
Feel like I need to be dropping magic beans to make sense of this story
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So, Georgetown has had key players leave the program, started the year with a lot of freshmen and a couple of transfers, and had to deal with Covid pauses. Now they’re on the cusp of winning the BET.
Any one one of those things would be (and has been) cited as explanations for MU having a bad season. But, apparently, it is possible for a team to overcome those obstacles, improve as the season goes on, and have a very competitive team in March.
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Very slow start by Georgetown. Creighton went to the bench and gave up the lead. 18-0 run to close the half.
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Very slow start by Georgetown. Creighton went to the bench and gave up the lead. 18-0 run to close the half.
Running around packing for spring break so not glued to the game. Wasn't it 13-6 Creighton at one point and that 18-0 was part of a larger 30-5 run?
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Creighton may of been worse than us in that first half.
But impressive run by Gtown. 1 more half.
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So, Georgetown has had key players leave the program, started the year with a lot of freshmen and a couple of transfers, and had to deal with Covid pauses. Now they’re on the cusp of winning the BET.
Any one one of those things would be (and has been) cited as explanations for MU having a bad season. But, apparently, it is possible for a team to overcome those obstacles, improve as the season goes on, and have a very competitive team in March.
I really hope they do but they have blown a lot of big leads. As I said last week the BET was wide open. But it wouid be good if we get 4 from the conf.
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Running around packing for spring break so not glued to the game. Wasn't it 13-6 Creighton at one point and that 18-0 was part of a larger 30-5 run?
I didn't think of it like that. Correct. 30-5 run. Wow.
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I didn't think of it like that. Correct. 30-5 run. Wow.
This is incredible. Hoyas absolutely thumping the Jays in all phases of the game.
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Creighton is playing and shooting poorly but a 36-5 run?? Not exactly something you see every day.
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Wojo needs to take notes from Ewing. Transfers out, freshman, covid and they are going to the tournament.
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Ass kicking, hey?
We wring our hands as MU has never made it to the championship. McDermott has made it three times and has coughed up a hair ball three times. Pick your poison.
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Wojo needs to take notes from Ewing. Transfers out, freshman, covid and they are going to the tournament.
It's still lightning in a bottle. What Georgetown is doing is awesome and I'm rooting for them but I'd prefer not to take notes from a guy who can't get to .500 even one time in league play.
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Ass kicking, hey?
We wring our hands as MU has never made it to the championship. McDermott has made it three times and has coughed up a hair ball three times. Pick your poison.
I'll take close with heartbreak over suck every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Its been painful to be a Packer fan from the last decade, but I wouldn't trade that for being a Lions fan.
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Wonder if the BE will get any schools into the S16. I am thinking not.
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Wonder if the BE will get any schools into the S16. I am thinking not.
On Wednesday my friend thought 6 big east teams would get in. I told him 3. This is not a strong conference this year.
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It's still lightning in a bottle. What Georgetown is doing is awesome and I'm rooting for them but I'd prefer not to take notes from a guy who can't get to .500 even one time in league play.
7 years and Marquette has yet to catch anything but a cold...
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It's still lightning in a bottle. What Georgetown is doing is awesome and I'm rooting for them but I'd prefer not to take notes from a guy who can't get to .500 even one time in league play.
Ewing inherited a bad situation and has overcome three key players leaving the program (sound familiar?). If you have been paying attention to the conference recently, Georgetown has been playing good basketball since their covid restart. All with probably the lowest talent level in the conference.
And they have a legit class coming in next season.
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Wonder what seed Gtown will get
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Wonder what seed Gtown will get
14
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If you moneyline rollovered GT from opening round through the title game, you’d have won at 87-1. Pre-tournament they were 66-1.
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Wonder if the BE will get any schools into the S16. I am thinking not.
It doesn't look like it to me but the tournament can be a bit ot a crapshoot.
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Wonder what seed Gtown will get
12 or 13, I’d think
Georgia did something similar in 2008 and were a 14 seed
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If you moneyline rollovered GT from opening round through the title game, you’d have won at 87-1. Pre-tournament they were 66-1.
I stupidly took MU instead of GT thinking that the winner had a good shot. What could have been. Took Georgetown ML tonight though. Would have been annoyed had I not given myself a chance to win anything off this run.
Georgia Tech +860 tonight too, but I'm pessimistic.
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It's still lightning in a bottle. What Georgetown is doing is awesome and I'm rooting for them but I'd prefer not to take notes from a guy who can't get to .500 even one time in league play.
I disagree. Looks an awful lot like progression to me. Consider me jealous.
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I disagree. Looks an awful lot like progression to me. Consider me jealous.
Yep. They’ve improved.
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Congrats to Georgetown and Coach Ewing. Good for the conference and national prominence Georgetown used to have. Just a great story for a team not expected to even come close to this result and Wojo Sucks has nothing to do with wishing them well in the NCAA Tournament. Keep it going Hoyas.
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Congrats to Georgetown and Coach Ewing. Good for the conference and national prominence Georgetown used to have. Just a great story for a team not expected to even come close to this result and Wojo Sucks has nothing to do with wishing them well in the NCAA Tournament. Keep it going Hoyas.
+1
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I am embarrassed for Creighton.
They clearly quit on their coach. No effort whatsoever. Terribly coached. Biggest game of the year, and they didn't even show up. Losing by 100 at halftime and end up losing by 200 - no adjustments.
I mean, they lost TWICE to Georgetown, a team just about everybody was calling not just bad but total trash just 5 days ago.
Hell, they even lost to Marquette ... and there isn't anything more embarrassing than that!
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They've absolutely improved. It's a cool story. I doubt they finish top half of the league next year.
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I stupidly took MU instead of GT thinking that the winner had a good shot. What could have been. Took Georgetown ML tonight though. Would have been annoyed had I not given myself a chance to win anything off this run.
Georgia Tech +860 tonight too, but I'm pessimistic.
I’ve been on the Georgia Tech train for weeks now. They are 20-1 to make the Final Four. I’ve got a ticket on them and hoping to cash a 25-1 ticket tonight on the ACC title.
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Great win for Georgetown. Hopefully Big East get 4 in the tournament .
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I’ve been on the Georgia Tech train for weeks now. They are 20-1 to make the Final Four. I’ve got a ticket on them and hoping to cash a 25-1 ticket tonight on the ACC title.
I love this GT team. I just don't particularly like this matchup for them.
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Great win for Georgetown. Hopefully Big East get 4 in the tournament .
4 is a lock Herman. I'm just not sure they will advance very far.
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I love this GT team. I just don't particularly like this matchup for them.
Will be a good game and tech has the horses to compete with FSU. Devoe is a player.
Ole Lenny Hamilton has quietly turned FSU into a factory of wins the past few years.
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I am embarrassed for Creighton.
They clearly quit on their coach. No effort whatsoever. Terribly coached. Biggest game of the year, and they didn't even show up. Losing by 100 at halftime and end up losing by 200 - no adjustments.
I mean, they lost TWICE to Georgetown, a team just about everybody was calling not just bad but total trash just 5 days ago.
Hell, they even lost to Marquette ... and there isn't anything more embarrassing than that!
I know this tongue-in-cheek but that actually was an embarrassing performance by Creighton
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It doesn't look like it to me but the tournament can be a bit ot a crapshoot.
Will be fun. Different with limited fans. No band, cheerleaders. Do higher seeds come out flat? Underdog won't have a full arena behind them. Lots of unknowns.
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Some serious weird commentary tonight about georgetown's success when compared to the hypothetical about how any wojo success would be received next year.
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Some serious weird commentary tonight about georgetown's success when compared to the hypothetical about how any wojo success would be received next year.
Year 4 Ewing vs year 8 Wojo. Every reasonable fan was on the Wojo train year 5. I think any late season run moving forward will be met with high levels of skepticism.
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Mike DeCourcey has ...
Villanova 5 seed
Creighton 6
Connecticut 7
Georgetown 13
Xavier, first four out
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Congrats to that one Hoya fan who posts here. Will be rooting on the Hoyas next week. Don’t so much care for the other BE teams this year.
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Year 4 Ewing vs year 8 Wojo. Every reasonable fan was on the Wojo train year 5. I think any late season run moving forward will be met with high levels of skepticism.
Year 7, but fair point.
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Year 7, but fair point.
Georgetown beat the brakes off of us in year 7. The hypothetical would be year 8.
I’m not holding my breath. They’ll probably be too tired at the end of the season.
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Georgetown beat the brakes off of us in year 7. The hypothetical would be year 8.
I’m not holding my breath. They’ll probably be too tired at the end of the season.
I see what you were saying now. Not going to hear an argument from me. I expect next year to be Wojo's last.
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I see what you were saying now. Not going to hear an argument from me. I expect next year to be Wojo's last.
No worries. Took me a second to double check my work too ;-)
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I’ve always found it odd Georgetown wears the brand of the guy who beat them in the National Championship game.
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Congrats to Georgetown. Gives the Big East Four NCAA Tournament Locks.
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I’ve always found it odd Georgetown wears the brand of the guy who beat them in the National Championship game.
Patrick after thanked his best friend Michael Jordan for giving him his first chance as a coach.
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Pete Gillen on the CBS Sports Desk tonight was the one who called the 1st Marquette Georgetown game this year and called the MU comeback at halftime, said GTown improved greatly and he was happy for them tonight.
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Georgetown gets off to a 3-8 start, misses four games with covid, then goes 10-4 to finish with a 13-12 record.
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I know this tongue-in-cheek but that actually was an embarrassing performance by Creighton
So true. They clearly quit. Announcers said they are quitting quitters!
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So true. They clearly quit. Announcers said they are quitting quitters!
There were similarities between our performance and their performance tonight. The difference is they are a lock NCAA tourney team and played 3 games in 3 nights. We were playing a 1st Rd conf tournament game with everything on the line in an elimination game.
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There were similarities between our performance and their performance tonight. The difference is they are a lock NCAA tourney team and played 3 games in 3 nights. We were playing a 1st Rd conf tournament game with everything on the line in an elimination game.
Georgetown was playing its 4th game in 4 days. Seemed pretty fresh.
But yes, there absolutely were similarities between how Marquette and Creighton played. One, aside from Zegarowski, even Creighton's good shooters couldn't hit an effen shot. During the times I watched, there were more bricks and airballs than I had seen Creighton shoot all season. It's hard to win when you shoot 29%. Two, Creighton got murdered on the boards by a team that has been rebounding lights-out for a month now. And three, Creighton simply didn't play well just about all game. It happens.
The main difference was that our guys were still diving on the floor in a desperate attempt to get back into the game even after we fell behind big. After DJ made a tough shot to pull us within 14 with 7 minutes to go, there was some excitement on the bench. Unfortunately, we didn't play well enough and Georgetown ultimately pulled away.
Creighton? They were down by 18 at halftime and by 30 after just five minutes of play in the second half. In the second half, there was never a thought they might rally to win. They were hit by a buzzsaw. It happens even to good teams.
I have yet to see any evidence that Marquette mailed it in. I wish some people (not you, Muggs) would stop impugning the integrity of our student-athletes.
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Georgetown was playing its 4th game in 4 days. Seemed pretty fresh.
But yes, there absolutely were similarities between how Marquette and Creighton played. One, aside from Zegarowski, even Creighton's good shooters couldn't hit an effen shot. During the times I watched, there were more bricks and airballs than I had seen Creighton shoot all season. It's hard to win when you shoot 29%. Two, Creighton got murdered on the boards by a team that has been rebounding lights-out for a month now. And three, Creighton simply didn't play well just about all game. It happens.
The main difference was that our guys were still diving on the floor in a desperate attempt to get back into the game even after we fell behind big. After DJ made a tough shot to pull us within 14 with 7 minutes to go, there was some excitement on the bench. Unfortunately, we didn't play well enough and Georgetown ultimately pulled away.
Creighton? They were down by 18 at halftime and by 30 after just five minutes of play in the second half. In the second half, there was never a thought they might rally to win. They were hit by a buzzsaw. It happens even to good teams.
I have yet to see any evidence that Marquette mailed it in. I wish some people (not you, Muggs) would stop impugning the integrity of our student-athletes.
I don't know if this makes any sense but I think we are so poor fundamentally that at times it appears that we are giving a substandard effort. Whether it be not boxing out, never getting loose balls, or being an hour late helping on defense. There is a lack of clarity on both ends of the floor from our team and roles are not defined. You can't establish an identity or any cohesion with a hodgepodge/mickey-mouse structure.
My contention is if you were to throw 15 possible candidates in a hat to take over our program, and chose one, we would be far better off long term. When you are unsure mentally of what you are doing possession to possession it can certainly appear that you have checked-out. You can see it with the body language. That doesn't mean guys aren't trying. It all starts at the top.
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I don't know if this makes any sense but I think we are so poor fundamentally that at times it appears that we are giving a substandard effort. Whether it be not boxing out, never getting loose balls, or being an hour late helping on defense. There is a lack of clarity on both ends of the floor from our team and roles are not defined. You can't establish an identity or any cohesion with a hodgepodge/mickey-mouse structure.
My contention is if you were to throw 15 possible candidates in a hat to take over our program, and chose one, we would be far better off long term. When you are unsure mentally of what you are doing possession to possession it can certainly appear that you have checked-out. You can see it with the body language. That doesn't mean guys aren't trying. It all starts at the top.
FWIW, what you say in your first paragraph absolutely does make sense to me.
Not sure I agree that any of 15 candidate would be better than the coach we currently have. You have to get good players, and while Wojo isn't a great recruiter, he has shown that he can land good players. If he is indeed as bad a coach as most of us think he is, the fact that he went to the NCAAs 3 times in 4 years means he was able to recruit some pretty good players.
A coach who prepares well and is good at X's and O's but doesn't recruit well might have a couple of seasons in which he succeeds with the talent his predecessor left behind (think Bruce Weber) or occasionally with a group of overachievers (as Knight did at Texas Tech), but he struggles to have long-term success. Jay Wright was a winning coach for a long time, but he didn't establish himself as one of the very best in the country until he brought in Hart, Brunson, Bridges, etc.
One of the things that concerns me and a few others about some of the candidates who have been mentioned is that they have never recruited BEast-level athletes. Maybe they'll be able to, but in an ideal world it would be nice to hire somebody with a proven record of recruiting top athletes.
We mostly agree on all this stuff, though.
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FWIW, what you say in your first paragraph absolutely does make sense to me.
Not sure I agree that any of 15 candidate would be better than the coach we currently have. You have to get good players, and while Wojo isn't a great recruiter, he has shown that he can land good players. If he is indeed as bad a coach as most of us think he is, the fact that he went to the NCAAs 3 times in 4 years means he was able to recruit some pretty good players.
A coach who prepares well and is good at X's and O's but doesn't recruit well might have a couple of seasons in which he succeeds with the talent his predecessor left behind (think Bruce Weber) or occasionally with a group of overachievers (as Knight did at Texas Tech), but he struggles to have long-term success. Jay Wright was a winning coach for a long time, but he didn't establish himself as one of the very best in the country until he brought in Hart, Brunson, Bridges, etc.
One of the things that concerns me and a few others about some of the candidates who have been mentioned is that they have never recruited BEast-level athletes. Maybe they'll be able to, but in an ideal world it would be nice to hire somebody with a proven record of recruiting top athletes.
We mostly agree on all this stuff, though.
I rewatched some of our last game and what may be lost because of our offensive futility is that our defense was atrocious. Early in the game we had a few decent possessions but the last 30 mins of the game we were a no show. G-Town guys got wide-open lay-ups and any shot they wanted . Shots average D-1 teams don't give up in November frankly. It's unacceptable. Period.
We can talk about Freshmen making mistakes or problems with our overall personnel, but the fact of the matter is that if you cannot establish a reliable defense you have no chance of any kind of real success. It's that simple. So when I see our bigs trap ineffectively at the 35 ft range, time and time again, for 7 years, and they can't recover, it makes me exceedingly angry. Either Wojo can't get the players for this strategy or his strategy is a complete disaster. It's absolutely maddening.
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I have yet to see any evidence that Marquette mailed it in. I wish some people (not you, Muggs) would stop impugning the integrity of our student-athletes.
Write a letter to FS1, then.
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I rewatched some of our last game and what may be lost because of our offensive futility is that our defense was atrocious. Early in the game we had a few decent possessions but the last 30 mins of the game we were a no show. G-Town guys got wide-open lay-ups and any shot they wanted . Shots average D-1 teams don't give up in November frankly. It's unacceptable. Period.
We can talk about Freshmen making mistakes or problems with our overall personnel, but the fact of the matter is that if you cannot establish a reliable defense you have no chance of any kind of real success. It's that simple. So when I see our bigs trap ineffectively at the 35 ft range, time and time again, for 7 years, and they can't recover, it makes me exceedingly angry. Either Wojo can't get the players for this strategy or his strategy is a complete disaster. It's absolutely maddening.
Agree totally.
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Write a letter to FS1, then.
Announcers saying things is not “evidence.”
In December, FS1 announcers were saying we’d be a threat to win the Big East because of our outstanding defense.
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Announcers saying things is not “evidence.”
In December, FS1 announcers were saying we’d be a threat to win the Big East because of our outstanding defense.
I'll trust someone without an agenda over someone with one.
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The Hall, X and The Johnnies turn down NIT
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2021/03/14/seton-hall-basketball-nit/4679659001/
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I'll trust someone without an agenda over someone with one.
My "agenda" is that people shouldn't impugn the integrity of college students without solid evidence.
But glad to hear you agree with the announcers that our defense gave us a great chance to win the Big East. I dozed off the last few months. How did we end up doing?
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My "agenda" is that people shouldn't impugn the integrity of college students without solid evidence.
But glad to hear you agree with the announcers that our defense gave us a great chance to win the Big East. I dozed off the last few months. How did we end up doing?
Lol of course I don't agree with any announcer who said our defense gave the team a great chance to win the Big East. But that was predictive, 82. The effort against Georgetown was not.
And we did terribly. That awesome recruiting class that you claimed over and over again proved to you that Wojo was still legit led us to....well.
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Lol of course I don't agree with any announcer who said our defense gave the team a great chance to win the Big East. But that was predictive, 82. The effort against Georgetown was not.
And we did terribly. That awesome recruiting class that you claimed over and over again proved to you that Wojo was still legit led us to....well.
Yes, we did terribly. That is not the same as quitting. Teams that don't give up play poorly all the time.
And I said Wojo should have been fired immediately after this season's DePaul loss.
Get a grip.
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Yes, we did terribly. That is not the same as quitting. Teams that don't give up play poorly all the time.
And I said Wojo should have been fired immediately after this season's DePaul loss.
Get a grip.
I'm saying they quit because an analyst with no agenda said so. As I said in the same thread, I'm not criticizing the kids. It happens.
I'm sorry that after 6.5 years defending an emperor with no clothes you have finally gotten a grip on reality.
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I'm saying they quit because an analyst with no agenda said so. As I said in the same thread, I'm not criticizing the kids. It happens.
I'm sorry that after 6.5 years defending an emperor with no clothes you have finally gotten a grip on reality.
Congrats on our alma mater’s basketball team sucking.
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Congrats on our alma mater’s basketball team sucking.
I could've said as much to you for the last 6.5 years, which you spent going after people who thought Wojo was bad and a detriment to the program. Those folks were right. Enough with the victim complex. No one feels bad for you.
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I could've said as much to you for the last 6.5 years, which you spent going after people who thought Wojo was bad and a detriment to the program. Those folks were right. Enough with the victim complex. No one feels bad for you.
Victim complex? I don't think you even know what are you talking about.
I know you were calling for Wojo to be fired back in 2015, so congrats on our team sucking.
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Big East has two teams in the Sweet Sixteen. Nova and Creighton. Both have tough matchups next Baylor and Gonzaga.
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Good Article in NY Post on Creighton
https://nypost.com/2021/03/22/march-madness-2021-creighton-can-enjoy-win-vs-ohio-for-now/
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Speculation in Nova Nation
https://www.phillyvoice.com/villanova-wildcats-2021-ncaa-tournament-march-madness-final-four-chances-stats-analysis-058881/
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https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1374720215670534146?s=19
Jay Wright on the Big East.
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https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1374720215670534146?s=19
Jay Wright on the Big East.
The only thing I truly don't like about Jay Wright is that there is nothing to not like about him.
I need to find out that he likes St. Louis style pizza or is a dick to the delivery guy...something, anything!
**but I'm 100% sure he's a NY pizza guy and a great tipper**
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The only thing I truly don't like about Jay Wright is that there is nothing to not like about him.
I need to find out that he likes St. Louis style pizza or is a dick to the delivery guy...something, anything!
**but I'm 100% sure he's a NY pizza guy and a great tipper**
No kidding. His teams beat us pretty regularly...but he always says great things about the BE, coaches a great style of ball without chronic floppers or trash talkers, and brings in a ton of money for the conference. I'm always wondering...where are the bodies hidden? Then I snap out of it and decide there probably aren't any bodies.
Dammit.
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Some serious wagering going on in Omaha....
https://twitter.com/CreightonPres/status/1374845236078383118
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Some serious wagering going on in Omaha....
https://twitter.com/CreightonPres/status/1374845236078383118
Very minor nitpick, but I wouldn’t be thrilled if our president said “if we pull off the upset of the century”.
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Very minor nitpick, but I wouldn’t be thrilled if our president said “if we pull off the upset of the century”.
I was more irked by calling it “turf and surf”
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I was more irked by calling it “turf and surf”
Yeah, not sure that's offensive, but it's really, really weird.
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Oh hey look, an ad!
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I was more irked by calling it “turf and surf”
Your Beef is with Omaha Steaks on that, that is the brand name of one of their combo packages
https://www.omahasteaks.com/buy/Seafood/Steak-and-Seafood-Packages
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Guys, take it easy. Dan is a fellow MU alum ('93) ;D
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Detailed Scouting Report from Opponent Coach on Creighton Gonzaga game
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/24/former-zag-john-rillie-creighton-good-matchup-for-/
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Am I the only one who wouldn't want either of those two local staple rewards? I mean Omaha steaks are average at best imo and I've not had a bottle of wine I've enjoyed from Washington and bag of apples doesn't move the needle for me
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Big East has two teams in the Sweet Sixteen. Nova and Creighton. Both have tough matchups next Baylor and Gonzaga.
Loyola sure lucked out in the Sweet Sixteen. If they keep playing like they have their path to the final four is doable.
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Loyola sure lucked out in the Sweet Sixteen. If they keep playing like they have their path to the final four is doable.
Loyola has already beaten the ACC tournament champs and the Big 10 tournament champs (and #1 seed). Next up is the surprisingly powerful PAC 12’s tourney champ. So not all that easy.
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Loyola has already beaten the ACC tournament champs and the Big 10 tournament champs (and #1 seed). Next up is the surprisingly powerful PAC 12’s tourney champ. So not all that easy.
So shouldn't we all hope Oregon St. beats Loyola to hurry this process along?
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Am I the only one who wouldn't want either of those two local staple rewards? I mean Omaha steaks are average at best imo and I've not had a bottle of wine I've enjoyed from Washington and bag of apples doesn't move the needle for me
Was this in case haikus weren't enough of a bat signal to bring Keefe back to the board?
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So shouldn't we all hope Oregon St. beats Loyola to hurry this process along?
I think it's better he wins. Honestly make it harder for our best recruits to shoot you down when you can say "I've been to two recent final fours with no names, imagine what I can do with you on the court"
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Good preview article on Creighton Gonzaga in local Spokane press
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/26/they-just-keeping-coming-creighton-shooting-for-fu/
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Rooting for Nova to keep it going in the second half versus Baylor
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Baylor has superior athletes. Going to be hard for Villanova to stay in this game unless they get very hot shooting
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Nova out , our only hope for the league now is Creighton.
https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2021/3/25/22346061/how-does-gonzaga-take-care-of-creighton
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Nova out , our only hope for the league now is Creighton.
https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2021/3/25/22346061/how-does-gonzaga-take-care-of-creighton
Probably better to hope the Big East invites Gonzaga to join the league.
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Probably better to hope the Big East invites Gonzaga to join the league.
Lol this.
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Big East season now over. Two S16s and two new Coaches.
Looking forward to next seasons conference play.
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Good Article on Player Coming In For The Johnnies
https://nypost.com/2021/04/01/st-johns-lands-commitment-from-purdues-aaron-wheeler/
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Did anyone else hear Barlkley say that "Sampson was unfairly treated by Indiana" or something like that? I'm just wondering if I was hallucinating, thx.
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Omg did you see that? Insane defensive play by Houston!
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Mayer is what I thought we were getting in Joey Hauser. Baylor looks really good early.
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Mayer is what I thought we were getting in Joey Hauser. Baylor looks really good early.
Joey never had that kind of athleticism. Joey is a skilled player, but not an overly athletic guy.
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Joey never had that kind of athleticism. Joey is a skilled player, but not an overly athletic guy.
Don't you think Mayer would be a big-time player on another team Nukem? He's got an excellent first step. I think he'll be on an NBA roster.
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Don't you think Mayer would be a big-time player on another team Nukem? He's got an excellent first step. I think he'll be on an NBA roster.
I agree. Just saying that Joey simply does not have the athleticism that Mayer has.
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I agree. Just saying that Joey simply does not have the athleticism that Mayer has.
We completely agree here.
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You all better watch out, or Joey is gonna start a letter writing campaign against Scoop