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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2021, 11:49:41 PM
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Howard will have his day but I'm wondering if there are other candidates or guys you think that deserve it? T. Smith? Jerel? Dominic? Travis? Lazar? Anyone?
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Nobody you named, and I’m as big a Diener fan as you can get. But there isn’t an AA or even conference POY in that mix. Markus will rightfully go in the rafters, but that’s about it
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Nobody you named, and I’m as big a Diener fan as you can get. But there isn’t an AA or even conference POY in that mix. Markus will rightfully go in the rafters, but that’s about it
You think? I’m completely out of the loop on the retired numbers but does anyone know how long after a guy is done playing they typically decide to retire the number? I can’t imagine they’d randomly retire Travis or James, etc almost 10-20 years later. Howard has the best chance, but it would have to happen during the Wojo regime imho.
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I have no idea what the criteria is or how long we will wait to retire Howard's number. I mean why Doc Rivers over some other players for example? Did his NBA career or coaching play a role?
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I have no idea what the criteria is or how long we will wait to retire Howard's number. I mean why Doc Rivers over some other players for example? Did his NBA career or coaching play a role?
There’s zero question it played a role. If anything, his collegiate career was a disappointment. That was Crean’s doing. I actually suspect he was trying to recruit Rivers’ children.
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I really like Glenn Rivers, a truly great representative of the university. But obviously there were many players who were better players for Marquette whose numbers weren't retired - including pretty much everybody Muggsy named in his OP.
Don't forget, though, that 31 already had been retired for Bo Ellis. Adding on Rivers smacked of a P.R. move, but whatevs. If Bo were a more self-centered guy, he might have been ticked off, but he isn't - and he's probably the only one who really should be bothered by it.
To answer the OP ... you'd like to think that the school's all-time scoring leader, a first-team All-American, and national scoring leader would be a no-brainer. Otherwise, I can't think of anybody.
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frozena
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To answer the OP ... you'd like to think that the school's all-time scoring leader, a first-team All-American, and national scoring leader would be a no-brainer. Otherwise, I can't think of anybody.
This is it for me. Howard absolutely. I could see an argument for Jim Chones and Jerel McNeal, but Howard is the only guy that has to be in the rafters, IMO.
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You think? I’m completely out of the loop on the retired numbers but does anyone know how long after a guy is done playing they typically decide to retire the number? I can’t imagine they’d randomly retire Travis or James, etc almost 10-20 years later. Howard has the best chance, but it would have to happen during the Wojo regime imho.
I don't agree that it would have to be during the Wojo regime. Markus will be appreciated even more the further away from him we get.
Depending on how his NBA career continues to play out, I could see Butler's number in the rafters.
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Markus Howard and Jim Chones.
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Second those two, Titan.
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Kind of surprised Chones jersey isn't retired even though he was only with MU for what, two seasons? MH for sure. I would definitely lean toward Diener as a really stout 4-year guy, and Jerel too, especially-so considering where he sits in all-time scoring.
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We are running out of numbers to issue. Only so many a program can retire.
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They should retire the Hausers jerseys to stick it to Wojo to get him to leave
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We are running out of numbers to issue. Only so many a program can retire.
You are retiring a person, a jersey, not a number. You can re-use numbers.
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I don't agree that it would have to be during the Wojo regime. Markus will be appreciated even more the further away from him we get.
Depending on how his NBA career continues to play out, I could see Butler's number in the rafters.
Yeah, I think a real good argument could be made for Jimmy, an important player on two S16 teams and a future NBA All-Star. More deserving than Rivers, for certain.
They should retire the Hausers jerseys to stick it to Wojo to get him to leave
Could retire 9 for Joey, the number of turnovers he had in the losses to Nova and Creighton that began our 2019 collapse. Also, rhymes with "whine."
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I have no issue with Chones.
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Yeah, I think a real good argument could be made for Jimmy, an important player on two S16 teams and a future NBA All-Star. More deserving than Rivers, for certain.
Could retire 9 for Joey, the number of turnovers he had in the losses to Nova and Creighton that began our 2019 collapse. Also, rhymes with "whine."
Jimmy only played on 1 s16 team
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Chones and Markus.
If someone like JFB donates a large sum of money to the department, I would get behind it too.
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Jimmy and crowder >>>>>> Howard.
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Jimmy and crowder >>>>>> Howard.
Lol
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Why would we retire Markus’ number? We didn’t win a single tournament game during his time here. Never won a conference title. Yes, he’s our all-time leading scorer, but in today’s game, all that really means is he wasn’t able to go pro early because he was undersized for the position he played. Jerel McNeal was our leading scorer before Markus. Should we retire his number, too?
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Why would we retire Markus’ number? We didn’t win a single tournament game during his time here. Never won a conference title. Yes, he’s our all-time leading scorer, but in today’s game, all that really means is he wasn’t able to go pro early because he was undersized for the position he played. Jerel McNeal was our leading scorer before Markus. Should we retire his number, too?
2 time all American is a good argument.
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Why would we retire Markus’ number? We didn’t win a single tournament game during his time here. Never won a conference title. Yes, he’s our all-time leading scorer, but in today’s game, all that really means is he wasn’t able to go pro early because he was undersized for the position he played. Jerel McNeal was our leading scorer before Markus. Should we retire his number, too?
Must’ve only won BE POY and been a consensus First Team All American because he wasn’t able to go pro early too.
He’s the all time leading scorer in the history of the Big East. Think about the players that have come through the conference.
It’s an absolute no brainer.
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You think? I’m completely out of the loop on the retired numbers but does anyone know how long after a guy is done playing they typically decide to retire the number? I can’t imagine they’d randomly retire Travis or James, etc almost 10-20 years later. Howard has the best chance, but it would have to happen during the Wojo regime imho.
Depends if they need a big crowd for a game dat ordinarily woodant draw flies, hey?
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Why would we retire Markus’ number? We didn’t win a single tournament game during his time here. Never won a conference title. Yes, he’s our all-time leading scorer, but in today’s game, all that really means is he wasn’t able to go pro early because he was undersized for the position he played. Jerel McNeal was our leading scorer before Markus. Should we retire his number, too?
All time leading scorer and two time all American. BE player of the year.
Pretty obvious choice.
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Instead of retiring jerseys, I’d suggest Marquette adopt something akin to a ring of honor. Not sure that’s doable at Fiserv but maybe something to look into
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Kind of surprised Chones jersey isn't retired even though he was only with MU for what, two seasons? MH for sure. I would definitely lean toward Diener as a really stout 4-year guy, and Jerel too, especially-so considering where he sits in all-time scoring.
Nah, he played on the freshman team. Then, 1.8 seasons thereafter, hey?
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Every school does it differently. Georgetown has no numbers retired, Duke has 13, (leaving just 23 possible numbers among its roster).
North Carolina has the best formula.
https://keepingitheel.com/basketball/retired-jerseys-2/
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Kind of surprised Chones jersey isn't retired even though he was only with MU for what, two seasons?
As Doc said, one season of freshman ball and 1.8 on the big team. All told, he played 51 varsity games. We won 50 of them. The 1 game we lost was stolen by the officials - only game Meminger ever fouled out, 3 or 4 of the fouls offensive, the last 2 blatant flops - and we lose by 1.
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All time leading scorer and two time all American. BE player of the year.
Pretty obvious choice.
Yes, but zero team success, aside from finishing “alone in second” in the Big East his junior year. Does team success count for nothing?
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Yes, but zero team success, aside from finishing “alone in second” in the Big East his junior year. Does team success count for nothing?
Nope, just a single category that he happened to be very very good at.
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Didn't they dedicate a "HANK" banner for Raymonds? Could do the same for Markus, but put "CANCER" on it.
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Didn't they dedicate a "HANK" banner for Raymonds? Could do the same for Markus, but put "CANCER" on it.
Maybe they will hang PPT TIGER for our current coach
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Yes, but zero team success, aside from finishing “alone in second” in the Big East his junior year. Does team success count for nothing?
Count for nothing? No. It's a factor. But when you add in two time All-American, Big East POY, and All-Time leading scorer in the Big East I think he passes the threshold IMHO
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Nobody you named, and I’m as big a Diener fan as you can get. But there isn’t an AA or even conference POY in that mix. Markus will rightfully go in the rafters, but that’s about it
Jerel was a second team AA.
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Count for nothing? No. It's a factor. But when you add in two time All-American, Big East POY, and All-Time leading scorer in the Big East I think he passes the threshold IMHO
They made two NCAA tournaments and would have made a third.
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Didn't they dedicate a "HANK" banner for Raymonds? Could do the same for Markus, but put "CANCER" on it.
Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself. Two players left and no one followed them out the door. So the ten who stayed showed who was the problem.
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Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself. Two players left and no one followed them out the door. So the ten who stayed showed who was the problem.
Pretty sure 82 is poking fun at others
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They made two NCAA tournaments and would have made a third.
Simply making the NCAA Tournament should not be seen as a great accomplishment for a program like Marquette. It’s become that under Wojo, though.
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Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself. Two players left and no one followed them out the door. So the ten who stayed showed who was the problem.
Whooooosh
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Pretty sure 82 is poking fun at others
He's just not that funny, so his jokes fall flat.
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Simply making the NCAA Tournament should not be seen as a great accomplishment for a program like Marquette. It’s become that under Wojo, though.
I agree. But let’s not act like the team was trash.
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He's just not that funny, so his jokes fall flat.
Gotta hurt coming from such a nuanced, hilarious guy like you.