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Title: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 07:43:35 AM
Expect a clash of styles when Marquette travels to North Carolina on Wednesday. We first heard about this game last night and have enough supporting evidence to suggest this is indeed going forward. Game most likely to be broadcast at 6:00 pm on ESPN2.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/02/marquette-at-north-carolina.html
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 20, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Wow. I'm shocked (in a good way).  What a spur of the moment marquee match-up.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 20, 2021, 08:08:00 AM
Would this be a buy game to MU? 

I'm struggling to see how scheduling a blue blood for a team that is desperate to build on confidence and heavy on development for next year (we aren't going to NCAAs) is a valued benefit right now.

Why not schedule a Duquesne or a UMASS or any other team that is off this week? (And get a better chance at a win)?

I'm happy, no doubt. I'm just confused on the benefit.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 08:08:59 AM
Expectations are low but I bet the players love the idea of going to Chapel Hill to play UNC.  Kudos to the staff and athletic department for getting this done.  Hoping for the best, expecting the worst but still a fun and fantastic opportunity.

Plus, the olds can reminisce!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 08:10:46 AM
Would this be a buy game to MU? 

I'm struggling to see how scheduling a blue blood for a team that is desperate to build on confidence and heavy on development for next year (we aren't going to NCAAs) is a valued benefit right now.

Why not schedule a Duquesne or a UMASS or any other team that is off this week? (And get a better chance at a win)?

I'm happy, no doubt. I'm just confused on the benefit.

If they win, it’s a good win across the board.  Ultimately, it’s a chance for the players to play against one of college basketballs blue bloods on the road.  Lack of fans lessen the expereince but I bet they’re excited.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 20, 2021, 08:14:11 AM
Would this be a buy game to MU? 

I'm struggling to see how scheduling a blue blood for a team that is desperate to build on confidence and heavy on development for next year (we aren't going to NCAAs) is a valued benefit right now.

Why not schedule a Duquesne or a UMASS or any other team that is off this week? (And get a better chance at a win)?

I'm happy, no doubt. I'm just confused on the benefit.


UNC wants a game.  Marquette wants a game.  ESPN wants a game.  They'll cut MU a check.  Or maybe they get a return game at some point the future.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 79Warrior on February 20, 2021, 08:29:04 AM
Would this be a buy game to MU? 

I'm struggling to see how scheduling a blue blood for a team that is desperate to build on confidence and heavy on development for next year (we aren't going to NCAAs) is a valued benefit right now.

Why not schedule a Duquesne or a UMASS or any other team that is off this week? (And get a better chance at a win)?

I'm happy, no doubt. I'm just confused on the benefit.

Maybe Wojo wanted to go back and see his old house?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2021, 08:29:41 AM
If it is close, I hope they don't throw pennies at our free throw shooter late in the game.   
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 20, 2021, 08:34:57 AM
First thought that comes to mind...well, being under .500 this year is now confirmed
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 20, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
If it is close, I hope they don't throw pennies at our free throw shooter late in the game.

Forgot about that!. Hey, it'll be good for a T on the UNC fans if they do.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: wadesworld on February 20, 2021, 08:43:56 AM
First thought that comes to mind...well, being under .500 this year is now confirmed

UNC vs. Marquette and that’s your first thought. You seem like a really fun guy to be around.

You’d probably also be b!tching if they scheduled UIC or UWM.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Goose on February 20, 2021, 09:16:03 AM
BLM

Thanks for the laugh this morning. Your commenting on someone being fun to be around really made me laugh.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 09:19:15 AM
First thought that comes to mind...well, being under .500 this year is now confirmed

That will stink but at this point, does being 15-14 make you feel better?  What difference does it make?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 09:24:31 AM
That will stink but at this point, does being 15-14 make you feel better?  What difference does it make?

For me it would. I'm concerned about the weak finishes the last two years. Going 3-1 down the stretch and winning 2 at MSG would at least allow the season to end on a high note rather than a low one.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 09:26:47 AM
For me it would. I'm concerned about the weak finishes the last two years. Going 3-1 down the stretch and winning 2 at MSG would at least allow the season to end on a high note rather than a low one.

It’s just as likely they finish 1-3 and win zero at MSG and finish on a low note. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2021, 09:27:41 AM
I can't stand Roy and I suspect others feel the same way. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 09:29:30 AM
I can't stand Roy and I suspect others feel the same way.

An enemy of Badger fans is a friend of mine
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
It’s just as likely they finish 1-3 and win zero at MSG and finish on a low note.

Sure, but you literally posted the scenario of finishing on a 6-2 streak, so it's an odd take to push back on your own hypothetical.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2021, 09:57:38 AM
For me it would. I'm concerned about the weak finishes the last two years. Going 3-1 down the stretch and winning 2 at MSG would at least allow the season to end on a high note rather than a low one.

So then ... let's kick UNC's tuchis!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: wadesworld on February 20, 2021, 10:02:48 AM
BLM

Thanks for the laugh this morning. Your commenting on someone being fun to be around really made me laugh.

I’d need a legal pad and pen being around you. Need to make sure I’m taking notes on all the things you say, because you don’t speak unless you’re an “expert” on those things.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 10:05:16 AM
Sure, but you literally posted the scenario of finishing on a 6-2 streak, so it's an odd take to push back on your own hypothetical.

I did?  I don’t think they’ll finish 6-2.  Anything is possible, however unlikely. 

It’s a fun game in the middle of a weird season. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 10:08:30 AM
I did?

You did:

That will stink but at this point, does being 15-14 make you feel better?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Viper on February 20, 2021, 10:09:35 AM
Not sure what MU gets paid for this game, but it never hurts to play a bb when it comes to recruiting, and the game check can be put toward that pesky buy-out😀
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: willie warrior on February 20, 2021, 10:10:00 AM
An enemy of Badger fans is a friend of mine
Do you include Michigan State in that, or is it a bridge too far?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 10:18:51 AM
Do you include Michigan State in that, or is it a bridge too far?

Consider them two birds of the same feather
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 10:19:51 AM
You did:

That was a general statement, not a prediction.  I could have said 13-12.  Should have been clearer.  My fault. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: CountryRoads on February 20, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
Very cool development. I’m surprised UNC would risk a Q3 loss though. If it’s on a neutral floor, we would have a better chance of being Q2. Should play the game at Duke if possible. (From UNC perspective...obviously better for MU if it’s a road game)
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Babybluejeans on February 20, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
Total hypothetical because we all know it won’t happen. But as a thought experiment: what would happen if MU won out the regular season? Would they be able to squeeze their way into the NCAAs with an at-large (say, by making the BE finals)?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2021, 11:10:16 AM
We winning out
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2021, 11:15:42 AM
Total hypothetical because we all know it won’t happen. But as a thought experiment: what would happen if MU won out the regular season? Would they be able to squeeze their way into the NCAAs with an at-large (say, by making the BE finals)?

Probably....if we picked up a win vs Creighton or Nova in the BET.  Chances are less than 1% but ya never know.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2021, 11:18:07 AM
Probably....if we picked up a win vs Creighton or Nova in the BET.  Chances are less than 1% but ya never know.

Even crazier hypothetical(it aint happening but lets just imagine for the hell of it.)

MU beats UNC, UConn and Depaul.

Does the BE scramble and try and get our GTown game back(say march 4th...both teams finish the year playing the 2nd and 6th).

Snagging the gtown win and then X. Ends up putting us at 15-12(10-10). Entering a way different convo.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: We R Final Four on February 20, 2021, 11:20:46 AM
An enemy of Badger fans is a friend of mine
Agreed!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
Even crazier hypothetical(it aint happening but lets just imagine for the hell of it.)

MU beats UNC, UConn and Depaul.

Does the BE scramble and try and get our GTown game back(say march 4th...both teams finish the year playing the 2nd and 6th).

Snagging the gtown win and then X. Ends up putting us at 15-12(10-10). Entering a way different convo.

I wouldn't know but I can't imagine a Gtown win putting us over the hump.  It's always about who you beat and how bad are your losses. So imo not only do we need to come close to winning out but also need additional quad 1 wins.  There is no evidence we can beat Nova so I hope we get Creighton in the BET.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 20, 2021, 11:34:50 AM
Best shot iz if 100 teems inn front of us all tested positive 'round tourney tyme, hey?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Best shot iz if 100 teems inn front of us all tested positive 'round tourney tyme, hey?

I hadn't thought about this angle;

We win the BET because of C-19 issues for the other teams???? 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 20, 2021, 12:12:31 PM
Was hoping for Georgetown or a lesser opponent buy game but believe an MU NC game would be better than no game given our current position.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 20, 2021, 12:16:11 PM
Best shot iz if 100 teems inn front of us all tested positive 'round tourney tyme, hey?

Lol a friend texted me something similar to this a couple days ago and also in relation to the Big East Tournament too. Whatever it takes haha.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 20, 2021, 12:30:02 PM
I hadn't thought about this angle;

We win the BET because of C-19 issues for the other teams????

Conferences are being given the choice of who gets their automatic bid. Nova and Creighton sit out the BET (and UConn if they’re a lock) knowing they’re in and MU makes a run? It’s possible...
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 20, 2021, 01:02:35 PM
Still not confirmed? 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: CountryRoads on February 20, 2021, 01:02:39 PM
Conferences are being given the choice of who gets their automatic bid. Nova and Creighton sit out the BET (and UConn if they’re a lock) knowing they’re in and MU makes a run? It’s possible...

When talk of that started, the NCAA came right out and said they wouldn’t allow that.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: wadesworld on February 20, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
Marquette is neither winning out (and weren't without the UNC game either) or winning the BET.  There've done nothing to suggest they can win 3 straight games this season.

So this game is great because it's not going to change the outcome of our season, but we still get to watch Marquette play a blue blood program in their building.  Even with both programs being worse than they should be at the moment, that's still very fun.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 20, 2021, 01:15:33 PM
Only thing that matters is the next game right?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 20, 2021, 01:16:44 PM
I remember Julius Peppers had a great game against MU the last time MU went to the Dean Dome (13 & 9).
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Silent Verbal on February 20, 2021, 01:54:21 PM
I remember Julius Peppers had a great game against MU the last time MU went to the Dean Dome (13 & 9).

What was the story with that game?  Was it some sort of CUSA/ACC Challenge?  Remember thinking it was kind of BS that MU just went down there and didn’t get a home and home, and of course lost.  Typical Crean move.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Johnny B on February 20, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
will we wear the 77 throwbacks?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MUfan12 on February 20, 2021, 02:11:47 PM
What was the story with that game?  Was it some sort of CUSA/ACC Challenge?  Remember thinking it was kind of BS that MU just went down there and didn’t get a home and home, and of course lost.  Typical Crean move.

National TV game on ABC, which was a big deal for MU at that point. Didn't get many of those.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 02:14:08 PM
FWIW, this has now been confirmed by the UNC Basketball Twitter account and by Ben Steele from JSOnline.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 02:36:21 PM
Total hypothetical because we all know it won’t happen. But as a thought experiment: what would happen if MU won out the regular season? Would they be able to squeeze their way into the NCAAs with an at-large (say, by making the BE finals)?

If we go with that hypothetical, I think so. Their resume would look something like this:

17-13 (9-10)
NET: 60
kenpom: 45
SOR: 20
Q1: 7-7
Q2: 2-5
Q3: 5-0
Q4: 3-1

If we go by probabilities, here are the resumes that my current Last Four In would have:

Colorado State

16-5 (13-3)
NET: 46
kenpom: 67
SOR: 50
Q1: 2-4
Q2: 1-1
Q3: 4-0
Q4: 9-0

UConn

13-9 (9-8)
NET: 52
kenpom: 36
SOR: 46
Q1: 3-4
Q2: 2-5
Q3: 5-0
Q4: 3-0

St Bonaventure

13-4 (11-4)
NET: 44
kenpom: 50
SOR: 47
Q1: 1-3
Q2: 4-1
Q3: 4-0
Q4: 4-0

Indiana

14-14 (8-11)
NET: 42
kenpom: 31
SOR: 39
Q1: 3-12
Q2: 7-0
Q3: 2-2
Q4: 2-0

This makes a lot of assumptions, but pretty straight forward ones. First, for Marquette, winning out, then beating Georgetown, Creighton, and UConn before losing to Villanova. For UConn, we assume results per kenpom but include losses to Marquette (obviously). For the other three, we go with the kenpom results and the most likely conference tournament results based on current league standings.

Marquette's metric numbers would be about average, but Strength of Record would skyrocket (based that on Torvik projection) with that winning streak. The Q1 wins are more than double any of the other teams on the bubble and are why I've highlighted in the past the value of our Wisconsin and Creighton wins. The DePaul loss hurts, but not so much that it isn't offset by the high-end wins.

I expect this is all rhetorical and it's more likely we don't win another game than we win the next 7 straight, but if we did manage to get that far, we will at least be in the mix with anyone else who would be on the bubble. I could include more resumes, but this is enough of a broad stroke to show what kind of high and mid majors are in that area right now and how we'd stack up if Wojo's team went nuclear.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 20, 2021, 02:43:37 PM
I think it’s awesome this game is happening. I love whenever MU plays power conference teams that they rarely play, especially blue bloods.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Big Papi on February 20, 2021, 03:42:27 PM
NC is not that good this year.  What is there best win?  Syracuse?  This is the perfect game to schedule.  A marquee name that is an average team.  A win would build a lot of confidence and solidify Wojo being back next year.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: nyg on February 20, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
NC is not that good this year.  What is there best win?  Syracuse?  This is the perfect game to schedule.  A marquee name that is an average team.  A win would build a lot of confidence and solidify Wojo being back next year.

And a loss will solidify 15 more Fire Wojo and Wojo Sucks threads/polls. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 20, 2021, 04:40:23 PM
And a loss will solidify 15 more Fire Wojo and Wojo Sucks threads/polls. 

The only explanation that makes sense is that Scholl scheduled this game to allow Wojo one additional big fat loss on national TV, make his record even worse.

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2021, 04:52:44 PM
I think it’s awesome this game is happening. I love whenever MU plays power conference teams that they rarely play, especially blue bloods.

Yessir. Glad this game is happening.

I don't think of it at all relative to a possible NCAA bid because the odds are too long to bother with that. If we win this one and UConn, then we can start having fun what-iffing.

I
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2021, 04:54:09 PM
And a loss will solidify 15 more Fire Wojo and Wojo Sucks threads/polls.

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: dgies9156 on February 20, 2021, 04:58:20 PM
Ok, this is the first step in the Marquette University, bad ass, take no prisoners revival.

We need to go into NC with a really bad attitude, play had and truly kick ass. If we foul, and we will, make sure the other guy does not get up. Scowl as your introduced and tell UNC as you shake hands, you are going down, chumps!

Then we need to back up our bad attitude with aggressive and nasty play. Take the attitude that they’re going to call fouls on Theo, we are going to get our moneys worth.

In short, play aggressive. Play hard. Win!

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: cheebs09 on February 20, 2021, 04:59:40 PM
Do we wear the Championship Blues to mess with them?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2021, 05:01:27 PM
Ok, this is the first step in the Marquette University, bad ass, take no prisoners revival.

We need to go into NC with a really bad attitude, play had and truly kick ass. If we foul, and we will, make sure the other guy does not get up. Scowl as your introduced and tell UNC as you shake hands, you are going down, chumps!

Then we need to back up our bad attitude with aggressive and nasty play. Take the attitude that they’re going to call fouls on Theo, we are going to get our moneys worth.

In short, play aggressive. Play hard. Win!

rocket says Theo's "demeanor" has changed for the better, so I guess this scenario of yours has no chance.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 20, 2021, 05:12:05 PM
Do you include Michigan State in that, or is it a bridge too far?

Holy crape!  Wee Willie said something clever!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 20, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
I remember Julius Peppers had a great game against MU the last time MU went to the Dean Dome (13 & 9).

Not that great a game - no sacks or QB hurries.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2021, 05:33:15 PM
82, will you be there?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2021, 05:59:30 PM
82, will you be there?

Just answered in the other thread ...

My very first thought was, "Can I go to this game?"

But I've decided that it's not worth the effort in a pandemic -- Charlotte is a 3 hour drive from Chapel Hill. I'm not even sure if they're letting in fans; I think I remember that they aren't but maybe they've updated that.

I'm already looking forward to the pre-Thanksgiving event in Charleston next season, though.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GOO on February 20, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
UNC owes us a home game from way back, maybe the mid to late 90’s. Had a home and away with them. Played at UNC.  They then declined to come to MU and instead paid some sort of a buyout. 

Should have been a game at MU!  They truly are evil.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Viper on February 20, 2021, 06:38:12 PM
No need to fire Wojo on the tarmac (Lane Kiffin). Just order Wojo a post game Uber ride to Durham. Genius.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 20, 2021, 06:45:14 PM
NC beating Louisville tonight 83-50
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 20, 2021, 06:50:26 PM
NC beating Louisville tonight 83-50

97-50 now. Damn

And bench players have scored the last 20
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: geps on February 20, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
UNC battering UL from pillar to post. Will be tough matchup for us for sure.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 20, 2021, 06:52:05 PM
The chances of us winning this game are approximately 2%, but it will be fun.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: geps on February 20, 2021, 06:55:40 PM
How good is Louisville- Xavierish?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 79Warrior on February 20, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
The chances of us winning this game are approximately 2%, but it will be fun.

Just hope we can keep it close. Could get ugly.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: cheebs09 on February 20, 2021, 08:29:04 PM
How good is Louisville- Xavierish?

Well, the Badgers stomped them, and we beat the Badgers.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: WarriorFan on February 21, 2021, 02:00:55 AM
It’s like this:   I want MU to win out AND I want wojo fired.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2021, 02:10:36 AM
It’s like this:   I want MU to win out AND I want wojo fired.

I mean, if we truly win out I don't think we can fire a coach after a national championship run  ;D
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 21, 2021, 06:24:51 AM
Ok, this is the first step in the Marquette University, bad ass, take no prisoners revival.

We need to go into NC with a really bad attitude, play had and truly kick ass. If we foul, and we will, make sure the other guy does not get up. Scowl as your introduced and tell UNC as you shake hands, you are going down, chumps!

Then we need to back up our bad attitude with aggressive and nasty play. Take the attitude that they’re going to call fouls on Theo, we are going to get our moneys worth.

In short, play aggressive. Play hard. Win!

Well said and very true.  We need to play with fire like we did against Wisconsin and Butler. We also need Justin Lewis healthy. It's Gold blood vs. Blue blood. Go Warriors kick ass.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2021, 07:27:01 AM
I mean, if we truly win out I don't think we can fire a coach after a national championship run  ;D

Well, the last coach who won the national championship for MU immediately lost his coaching job so there's that.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 21, 2021, 07:53:22 AM
I mean, if we truly win out I don't think we can fire a coach after a national championship run  ;D

He only wins the easy national titles.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 21, 2021, 08:25:17 AM
UNC vs. Marquette and that’s your first thought. You seem like a really fun guy to be around.

We’re 10-12 and just beat an awful 7-12 team; the optimism is running a little low

Hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: BallBoy on February 21, 2021, 08:44:41 AM
I think this game is about getting an influx of cash more so than having an impact on this season.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Warrior of Law on February 21, 2021, 09:19:54 AM
Considering the loss of revenue from this season, I have no issues with MU being "bought" to play at UNC.  It's certainly not going to affect any post-season opportunities.  In college football, this is like a team scheduling a game at Hawaii in December knowing they won't be playing in the Weed-eater Bowl.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2021, 09:31:17 AM
I actually have more faith in Wojo to coach well against UNC than any other team in the country (except maybe Duke).
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 21, 2021, 09:52:12 AM
Good god, Louisville shot 6.2% from three yesterday (1/16) and UNC grabbed 47.1% of the offensive rebounds available. The Cards also turned it over 16 times. That feels like the kind of game Marquette could have, and exactly what they need to avoid to pull off an upset.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Viper on February 21, 2021, 09:55:23 AM
Good god, Louisville shot 6.2% from three yesterday (1/16) and UNC grabbed 47.1% of the offensive rebounds available. The Cards also turned it over 16 times. That feels like the kind of game Marquette could have, and exactly what they need to avoid to pull off an upset.
wojo has a plan brah. Just as Al busted the 4 corners. 😂
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: marqfan22 on February 21, 2021, 10:04:37 AM
Considering the loss of revenue from this season, I have no issues with MU being "bought" to play at UNC.  It's certainly not going to affect any post-season opportunities.  In college football, this is like a team scheduling a game at Hawaii in December knowing they won't be playing in the Weed-eater Bowl.

Does MU receive money for this game?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 21, 2021, 10:24:02 AM
Does MU receive money for this game?

They have to receive something. $$$ or a return trip. Otherwise why play?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: wadesworld on February 21, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
We’re 10-12 and just beat an awful 7-12 team; the optimism is running a little low

Hope I’m wrong

I'm not optimistic we'll win this game at all.  That doesn't change that this is an awesome game to schedule on short notice.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
They have to receive something. $$$ or a return trip. Otherwise why play?
UNC revenues off $30 million. So likely no dollars involved.

https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/board/102711/Contents/unc-athletics-facing-30-million-loss-in-revenue-for-202021-161072905/


Our AD Mr. Scholl is close with their AD Mr. Cunningham. Not enough time for a contract , maybe a gentleman's agreement for a game in the future. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 21, 2021, 10:33:16 PM
I'm all for scheduling a game, but with injuries to Theo, Justin, Osa and even Gardner - again - what is the value here?  There's no fans.  We aren't getting paid. It's unlikely UNC comes to Milwaukee.  It's another projected loss, likely by double figures.  The young guys should be getting experience playing big programs but they also need to learn/experience how to win too.

We already had UCLA, Wisconsin and OK State as strong OOC games.  There's smart scheduling and foolish scheduling. And I don't think UNC was the only option here.  I think this can also negatively impact the Big East as it's likely another loss (I doubt we get more than four bids this year).

I still believe Wojo was recently given assurances that he will be back next year. Taking a loss here doesn't help improve the program.  It just doesn't make sense from a scheduling standpoint and where we currently are. I guess Wojo will be able to give first-hand scouting report to Coach K for their big match-up in two weeks.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2021, 11:18:02 PM
Who says we aren't getting paid? Maybe we're not but I haven't seen that anywhere. I'd imagine we at least get paid via the television provider.

Adding this game changes the calculus on making the tournament. It's theoretically possible that winning out could secure a bid. I don't see us winning out, but if there's hope, why wouldn't the staff try to get a Q1 game on the schedule?

I think there's value to the young guys getting to play at a storied stadium like the Dean Smith Center. I'm sure they are excited about the chance to play a blue blood on their home floor. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that they will get to play against RJ Davis on the off chance that he may be rethinking his college decision.

Mostly, I think the staff probably thinks they can win.

So, plenty of reasons to schedule this game, money, experience for the younger guys, raises the chances of an at large from 0% to something above 0%, and avoiding a 10 day break in the middle of the season. Really no downside because if you lose, you're still where you were before the game got scheduled except you get to keep the money and the experience.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 22, 2021, 12:05:24 AM
So, just the fourth MU/UNC match up since 1977? 1986 at the MECCA, 2000 when Julius Peppers body slammed Greg Clausen, and that ass kicking they gave us in Newark in the 2011 tourney, right?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 22, 2021, 12:13:40 AM
So, just the fourth MU/UNC match up since 1977? 1986 at the MECCA, 2000 when Julius Peppers body slammed Greg Clausen, and that ass kicking they gave us in Newark in the 2011 tourney, right?

If you ask Buzz it wasn't an ass kicking in 2011 we actually won all but 5 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: WarriorFan on February 22, 2021, 02:18:58 AM
I mean, if we truly win out I don't think we can fire a coach after a national championship run  ;D
I guess I thought that winning out anything past the regular season so improbable I didn't consider it in my comment.
Bring a natty and I'll be pro-jo again.
I still like this group of players.  They can beat anyone... but yes, unfortunately they seem to be able to lose to anyone as well. 
Good luck in Chapel Hill!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 22, 2021, 05:06:43 AM
Well said and very true.  We need to play with fire like we did against Wisconsin and Butler. We also need Justin Lewis healthy. It's Gold blood vs. Blue blood. Go Warriors kick ass.

Are not we both?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2021, 06:33:09 AM
So, just the fourth MU/UNC match up since 1977? 1986 at the MECCA, 2000 when Julius Peppers body slammed Greg Clausen, and that ass kicking they gave us in Newark in the 2011 tourney, right?

February 12, 1987. UNC with the 83-74 win at Chapel Hill.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GOO on February 22, 2021, 06:47:54 AM
UNC owes us a home game from way back, maybe the mid to late 90’s. Had a home and away with them. Played at UNC.  They then declined to come to MU and instead paid some sort of a buyout. 

Should have been a game at MU!  They truly are evil.

Must have been the 2000 season  where they owed us a return game but didn’t do so. Paid some sort of a penalty instead. If a return game is part of the deal, which it probably isn’t anyway....   more likely we got some $ from ESPN to play the game and it’s a one time Covid deal.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 22, 2021, 06:54:33 AM
Who says we aren't getting paid? Maybe we're not but I haven't seen that anywhere. I'd imagine we at least get paid via the television provider.

Adding this game changes the calculus on making the tournament. It's theoretically possible that winning out could secure a bid. I don't see us winning out, but if there's hope, why wouldn't the staff try to get a Q1 game on the schedule?

I think there's value to the young guys getting to play at a storied stadium like the Dean Smith Center. I'm sure they are excited about the chance to play a blue blood on their home floor. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that they will get to play against RJ Davis on the off chance that he may be rethinking his college decision.

Mostly, I think the staff probably thinks they can win.

So, plenty of reasons to schedule this game, money, experience for the younger guys, raises the chances of an at large from 0% to something above 0%, and avoiding a 10 day break in the middle of the season. Really no downside because if you lose, you're still where you were before the game got scheduled except you get to keep the money and the experience.

So, we are down to our last $5 in our wallet at the casino after losing everything. We are putting it all on red-12 because we have nothing more to lose.  No downside.

Like a compulsive gambler, the program is only living in the present and not thinking about the future.  If we get blown out, or experience another injury, it sets us back further. Although I guess it doesn't matter if Wojo returns next year regardless since the school can't afford a buyout.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 22, 2021, 07:42:47 AM
How does a blow out set us back further? Missing the tournament with 15 losses is the same as missing the tournament with 16 losses.

An injury would set us back if it was lasting but using that logic we should cancel the rest of the season.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2021, 07:47:17 AM
How does a blow out set us back further? Missing the tournament with 15 losses is the same as missing the tournament with 16 losses.

An injury would set us back if it was lasting but using that logic we should cancel the rest of the season.

Honestly, I think it’s more an ego thing for some that has them concerned about a blowout loss as in, their fan egos can’t handle it
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 22, 2021, 07:54:40 AM
So, we are down to our last $5 in our wallet at the casino after losing everything. We are putting it all on red-12 because we have nothing more to lose.  No downside.

Like a compulsive gambler, the program is only living in the present and not thinking about the future.  If we get blown out, or experience another injury, it sets us back further. Although I guess it doesn't matter if Wojo returns next year regardless since the school can't afford a buyout.


Maybe they are playing the game because they are a basketball team and they like to play basketball games.

I know.  Crazy right?

And North Carolina offered a game, and ESPN is likely making it worth our while to go out there, and Wojo knows what a special place Chapel Hill is and thinks it would be fun to experience during a sh*tty season.

Sometimes people overthink things.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: cheebs09 on February 22, 2021, 08:04:28 AM
So, we are down to our last $5 in our wallet at the casino after losing everything. We are putting it all on red-12 because we have nothing more to lose.  No downside.

Like a compulsive gambler, the program is only living in the present and not thinking about the future.  If we get blown out, or experience another injury, it sets us back further. Although I guess it doesn't matter if Wojo returns next year regardless since the school can't afford a buyout.

I’d assume it is more likely that they get hurt at practice than a game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 22, 2021, 08:14:08 AM
"Marquette has fallen so much under Wojo!!  We used to be tough!  A take no prisoners approach!"

<schedules game against North Carolina>

"Why would we do that???  The players might get hurt!!!!"
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2021, 08:16:26 AM
Players who choose the NFL draft over meaningless bowl games are terrible teammates.

Playing an extra basketball game is a terrible decision.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 22, 2021, 08:54:32 AM
Some here were unhappy about the win over Butler because was not a good enough opponent. Now they are unhappy that we are going to play UNC and risk getting beat badly. I do not expect the game to end well for Marquette but there is always the chance of an upset, even if it is slight. If we get blown out, there is partial cover from UNC's demolishing Lville 99-54 in their previous game.

The pluses are the slight chance of an upset, a break from what would have been a 10 day layoff, a chance for our team to play a blueblood (even if they are having a miserable year), and an opportunity for Wojo to get his name and face in front of the ACC. Hopefully we put up an effort good enough to attract the attention of Boston College.


Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 22, 2021, 09:01:31 AM
Well, clearly I was wrong.  Hoping for a fun game Wednesday, and a few more wins before the end of the season.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2021, 09:04:38 AM
As improbable as it may be, if Marquette goes 2-0 this week, they're right back in the bubble mix. Not on the right side, but in the conversation, and then favored in their last two games, most likely.

Going for it is the right thing to do, even if it'll most likely just add one to the L column.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2021, 09:18:47 AM
I cannot think of a single downside for playing this game.

Great to not have a 10-day layoff. Great to play a quality opponent. Great to play a blueblood. Great for the kids to play in the Dean Dome. Great to have a chance at an upset that could give hope for an NCAA bid (although I'm still having trouble seeing it). Great to play basketball because that's what basketball players, coaches and teams are supposed to do.

And heck, even great for the Uber-NoJos who are rooting for us to get routed.

Even if somebody gets hurt ... that would suck, but guys get hurt at practice all the time. Would it be better if the injury didn't happen till Saturday at UConn? I mean, why ever play any games? Might as well end all college sports in America because players might get injured.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2021, 09:34:17 AM
As improbable as it may be, if Marquette goes 2-0 this week, they're right back in the bubble mix. Not on the right side, but in the conversation, and then favored in their last two games, most likely.

Going for it is the right thing to do, even if it'll most likely just add one to the L column.

It certainly is a no lose situation.  You're far more in tune with the bubble this year and I, but I'd imagine Marquette would need to win out to at least the BET semis to have a chance at an at large bid.  15-13 at that point.  Highly doubt 14-14 does it. 

It would be nice to figure out a way to that Gtown game on the schedule just to add another likely W. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2021, 09:46:16 AM
As improbable as it may be, if Marquette goes 2-0 this week, they're right back in the bubble mix. Not on the right side, but in the conversation, and then favored in their last two games, most likely.

Going for it is the right thing to do, even if it'll most likely just add one to the L column.

Yeah I mean, its not happening. But there is certainly no harm.

Playing UNC at least provides some sort of chance outside of a BET win.

And at the worst it lets us play against a Blue Blood. I am much more intrigued to watch us Wednesday night than I was last Wednesday against that awful Butler roster.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 22, 2021, 09:55:53 AM

Maybe they are playing the game because they are a basketball team and they like to play basketball games.

I know.  Crazy right?

And North Carolina offered a game, and ESPN is likely making it worth our while to go out there, and Wojo knows what a special place Chapel Hill is and thinks it would be fun to experience during a sh*tty season.

Sometimes people overthink things.

100% agree.  Some are overthinking this. Great opportunity to play a team we normally don’t get to play.  If our team plays well I think we have a chance to win as well.  There is no downside to playing this game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Silent Verbal on February 22, 2021, 10:27:33 AM
Mostly, I think the staff probably thinks they can win.

This.

I firmly believe Wojo thinks, despite evidence to the contrary in terms of the team's record, that he and his staff are doing a great job, and that any losing is just the result of injuries and bad luck.  You could see it in the tone and demeanor he took on in his post game press conference after the loss to Seton Hall when Ben Steele asked him about the three straight late season collapses.  He's not afraid for his job.  He's annoyed that people can't understand what he's trying to do, and don't see how successful MU has actually been despite all the bad luck and injuries and limitations on the types of players he can recruit because he's doing things the "right" way.

All that being said, I'm glad MU is playing this game.  It's fun.  During this Covid season, the possibility of impromptu games, where two major programs could just be like, "we both need a game, let's play," seemed really exciting.  In actuality, it barely happened, with most teams sticking to their schedules, or big schools playing lesser opponents if they needed a fill-in.  This is exactly the type of thing we all hoped could happen for MU when the season started.  Now that we have it, I have no complaints.  I'm looking forward to watching the game on Wednesday.  I expect MU to lose, but appreciate what they're doing.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
It certainly is a no lose situation.  You're far more in tune with the bubble this year and I, but I'd imagine Marquette would need to win out to at least the BET semis to have a chance at an at large bid.  15-13 at that point.  Highly doubt 14-14 does it. 

It would be nice to figure out a way to that Gtown game on the schedule just to add another likely W.

I agree. I think winning at least one in the BET would get them close, though I'm always hesitant on how much winning games in conference tournaments means to the committee. They're at the have to win out and make a little noise at this point, but that's better than the absolute zero chance had they not beat Butler & added this game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 22, 2021, 11:39:51 AM
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology)

We are projected to finish 12-15, with a 0.3% prediction of making an at-large bid.  We have a greater chance of winning the BET at 1.8%.  Combined, MU has a 2.1% chance of going dancing this year.  Teams need 18 wins to be safely in.  17 or less and it gets dicey.  15 wins just isn’t enough based on the projections.  Might get to 13-16 if we win first game of the BET.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 22, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology)

We are projected to finish 12-15, with a 0.3% prediction of making an at-large bid.  We have a greater chance of winning the BET at 1.8%.  Combined, MU has a 2.1% chance of going dancing this year.  Teams need 18 wins to be safely in.  17 or less and it gets dicey.  15 wins just isn’t enough based on the projections.  Might get to 13-16 if we win first game of the BET.

So you're saying there's a chance
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 22, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
Some here were unhappy about the win over Butler because was not a good enough opponent. Now they are unhappy that we are going to play UNC and risk getting beat badly. I do not expect the game to end well for Marquette but there is always the chance of an upset, even if it is slight. If we get blown out, there is partial cover from UNC's demolishing Lville 99-54 in their previous game.

The pluses are the slight chance of an upset, a break from what would have been a 10 day layoff, a chance for our team to play a blueblood (even if they are having a miserable year), and an opportunity for Wojo to get his name and face in front of the ACC. Hopefully we put up an effort good enough to attract the attention of Boston College.

We're unhappy because the program sucks after 7 years of mediocrity and no light at the end of the tunnel that I can see. However I will still cheer the team on despite our pathetic circumstances.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2021, 11:49:05 AM
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology)

We are projected to finish 12-15, with a 0.3% prediction of making an at-large bid.  We have a greater chance of winning the BET at 1.8%.  Combined, MU has a 2.1% chance of going dancing this year.  Teams need 18 wins to be safely in.  17 or less and it gets dicey.  15 wins just isn’t enough based on the projections.  Might get to 13-16 if we win first game of the BET.

No one is saying it's likely, but if they get to 17-13, they would be a virtual lock to get in. 16-13 might be enough. Considering that 18 would be a Big East title, that would obviously be enough to be "safely in."  ;D ;D
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 22, 2021, 12:27:18 PM
We're unhappy because the program sucks after 7 years of mediocrity and no light at the end of the tunnel that I can see. However I will still cheer the team on despite our pathetic circumstances.

I agree with you for the most part but specifically I was addressing the BS regarding complaining about the Butler win (would they have been happier if we lost?) and the knee jerk criticism for scheduling the UNC game. I never liked the Wojo hire from the very beginning but was very happily wrong for about 80% of the '18-'19 season. That's the reason I agree with you only "for the most part". We probably were at some of the very same games back in the day at the Milwaukee Arena. I get your frustration. Let's hope Wojo leaves on his own and we get back to really good basketball. Expecting a return to Al level may never happen again but we can do a whole lot better than this. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: BaltimoreMC on February 22, 2021, 12:36:51 PM
Don't you think that this is two Jordan Brand schools in needs of wins helping each other out?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 22, 2021, 12:39:03 PM
Don't you think that this is two Jordan Brand schools in needs of wins helping each other out?


That's not a bad thought. Wonder if they were a conduit somehow? ESPN had to be a willing partner, but still.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: BCHoopster on February 22, 2021, 12:58:18 PM
It costs MU about 50K to go to NC, I have to believe in these times that they will get at least that much to show up, thoughts?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 22, 2021, 01:18:43 PM

Maybe they are playing the game because they are a basketball team and they like to play basketball games.

I know.  Crazy right?

And North Carolina offered a game, and ESPN is likely making it worth our while to go out there, and Wojo knows what a special place Chapel Hill is and thinks it would be fun to experience during a sh*tty season.

Sometimes people overthink things.


Yep. Even if we don't make a dime and it doesn't help us get a bid, there are very good reasons to play the game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2021, 01:39:38 PM
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/marquette-golden-eagles/bracketology)

We are projected to finish 12-15, with a 0.3% prediction of making an at-large bid.  We have a greater chance of winning the BET at 1.8%.  Combined, MU has a 2.1% chance of going dancing this year.  Teams need 18 wins to be safely in.  17 or less and it gets dicey.  15 wins just isn’t enough based on the projections.  Might get to 13-16 if we win first game of the BET.

I dont really think number of wins is really going to a benchmark this year with so many teams having played different amounts of games due to pauses/cancellations/etc. 

But point remains, best case scenario MU wins out to BET final and that is 17-13.  They are almost certainly going to get in as one of the hottest teams in the country in that scneerio.  Obviously there is really no chance that happens. 

But 16-13 or 16-14 and maybe they still got a chance at one of the last few teams in. But its all a pipe dream and when we go 0-2 this week we'll be right back to reality.   
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2021, 01:45:14 PM
Don't you think that this is two Jordan Brand schools in needs of wins helping each other out?

That's not a bad thought. Wonder if they were a conduit somehow? ESPN had to be a willing partner, but still.
Bill Scholl and Bubba Cunningham (UNC AD) are close friends. Roy wanted a home game. Scholl has been trying to get a game with UNC for several years. Bubba reached out to his old friend Scholl and now we have the game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: shoothoops on February 22, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
Besides Theo's FT's and a few earlier season dubs, scheduling this UNC game is one of the more recent season highlights for MUBB. I think we can all agree this is a good, fun, thing, win or lose. Let's throw it up and get a dub.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 22, 2021, 03:24:07 PM
Bill Scholl and Bubba Cunningham (UNC AD) are close friends. Roy wanted a home game. Scholl has been trying to get a game with UNC for several years. Bubba reached out to his old friend Scholl and now we have the game.

It's a nice theory Herman, but I'm pretty sure this was MU's idea, not UNC's.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2021, 04:13:43 PM
It's a nice theory Herman, but I'm pretty sure this was MU's idea, not UNC's.
Here is the article where Roy describes his desire for getting some non conference home games.

https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/Article/UNC-basketball-marquette-schedule-game-161217330/
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2021, 04:55:22 PM
Here is the article where Roy describes his desire for getting some non conference home games.

https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/Article/UNC-basketball-marquette-schedule-game-161217330/

So you read an article that indicated UNC was open to adding games and wrote a fan fiction about it? Pretty sure I'd trust TAMU here.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 79Warrior on February 22, 2021, 06:28:47 PM
100% agree.  Some are overthinking this. Great opportunity to play a team we normally don’t get to play.  If our team plays well I think we have a chance to win as well.  There is no downside to playing this game.

 Without Lewis, I do not see how MU can win this one.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
So you read an article that indicated UNC was open to adding games and wrote a fan fiction about it? Pretty sure I'd trust TAMU here.
No fiction at all. Bill Scholl has been saying publicly ,and privately,  for several years that he wants to get a series with UNC. Scholl is close friends with Bubba Cunningham , because they worked together at ND Sucks. 

In the past Bubba has told Scholl,  Roy has higher priorities than to schedule us. This has been publicly and privately stated.  Now Roy has a priority to have a home game, and we have a priority to fill a spot in our schedule so the suns and moons lined up. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: romey on February 22, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
No fiction at all. Bill Scholl has been saying publicly ,and privately,  for several years that he wants to get a series with UNC. Scholl is close friends with Bubba Cunningham , because they worked together at ND Sucks. 

In the past Bubba has told Scholl,  Roy has higher priorities than to schedule us. This has been publicly and privately stated.  Now Roy has a priority to have a home game, and we have a priority to fill a spot in our schedule so the suns and moons lined up.

Sounds like bulletin board material.  Let's do this!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
No fiction at all. Bill Scholl has been saying publicly ,and privately,  for several years that he wants to get a series with UNC. Scholl is close friends with Bubba Cunningham , because they worked together at ND Sucks. 

In the past Bubba has told Scholl,  Roy has higher priorities than to schedule us. This has been publicly and privately stated.  Now Roy has a priority to have a home game, and we have a priority to fill a spot in our schedule so the suns and moons lined up.

So you are reiterating that this is based on old reports and a random article and no actual knowledge? Okay.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 22, 2021, 08:18:11 PM
So you are reiterating that this is based on old reports and a random article and no actual knowledge? Okay.

What Herman is saying isn’t incompatible with what TAMU is saying.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 79Warrior on February 22, 2021, 08:56:51 PM
No fiction at all. Bill Scholl has been saying publicly ,and privately,  for several years that he wants to get a series with UNC. Scholl is close friends with Bubba Cunningham , because they worked together at ND Sucks. 

In the past Bubba has told Scholl,  Roy has higher priorities than to schedule us. This has been publicly and privately stated.  Now Roy has a priority to have a home game, and we have a priority to fill a spot in our schedule so the suns and moons lined up.

And Roy has scheduled an opponent he feels will not deliver his team a loss.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 22, 2021, 09:22:54 PM
What Herman is saying isn’t incompatible with what TAMU is saying.

No it is. He said UNC reached out to Marquette.  I said Marquette reached out to UNC.

Both have been publically stating for awhile that they have been looking for a game. Marquette has been trying to fill this since before the Saint John's game got moved up
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 23, 2021, 12:46:19 AM
Without Lewis, I do not see how MU can win this one.

Oh, I agree.  High probability of a loss with or without Lewis.  MU would have to play one of their best games. 

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2021, 03:29:18 PM
I just hope that we do as well as we did last time we played UNC.

Oh wait ...

That was a 946-3 loss for our Buzz-coached group -- a team that included one future NBA All-Star, another guy who would become a fine NBA player, and 3 others who would spend time on NBA rosters.

Wait ... I think the Heels just scored on us again.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 23, 2021, 03:37:19 PM
I just hope that we do as well as we did last time we played UNC.

Oh wait ...

That was a 946-3 loss for our Buzz-coached group -- a team that included one future NBA All-Star, another guy who would become a fine NBA player, and 3 others who would spend time on NBA rosters.

Wait ... I think the Heels just scored on us again.

I wish I could find Williams' post game interview. His ridiculous explanation something about how "if you leave out 8 minutes of the game we actually won" is forever engrained in my head as the most idiotic excuse I've ever heard.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 23, 2021, 03:45:07 PM
Have ya herd da won 'bout playas bein' tired too games inta da seesun, hey?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Silent Verbal on February 23, 2021, 04:06:39 PM
I just hope that we do as well as we did last time we played UNC.

Oh wait ...

That was a 946-3 loss for our Buzz-coached group -- a team that included one future NBA All-Star, another guy who would become a fine NBA player, and 3 others who would spend time on NBA rosters.

Wait ... I think the Heels just scored on us again.

Next time we play Murray State, I’ll be on the lookout for a similar post from you re: Wojo.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 23, 2021, 04:14:49 PM
Scholl should tell Megan Duffy to pack her bags for Chapel Hill and instruct her to sit right next to Wojo. When he gets his deer in the headlights look (again!), take over.

Yeah, its looking pretty grim. I had my hopes up that Lewis would be playing. Never say never but this is very likely not going to end well. I'm still hoping, or maybe I should say dreaming. Would be so happy to eat crow after an MU upset.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: bilsu on February 23, 2021, 04:32:42 PM
I just hope that we do as well as we did last time we played UNC.

Oh wait ...

That was a 946-3 loss for our Buzz-coached group -- a team that included one future NBA All-Star, another guy who would become a fine NBA player, and 3 others who would spend time on NBA rosters.

Wait ... I think the Heels just scored on us again.
That was one of the worst game plans ever. Buzz did not want UNC fast breaking on our missed threes, so he told our players not to shoot from the outside. We kept trying to get the ball inside to Otule, who ended up with zero points for the game. UNC turned our turnovers on passes to Otule into fast break points. I can understand Buzz being worried about UNC fast breaking on missed threes, but he missed the obvious point which was the only chance we had to win the game was to make threes. You cannot make threes, if you do not shoot them.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2021, 04:58:05 PM
That was one of the worst game plans ever. Buzz did not want UNC fast breaking on our missed threes, so he told our players not to shoot from the outside. We kept trying to get the ball inside to Otule, who ended up with zero points for the game. UNC turned our turnovers on passes to Otule into fast break points. I can understand Buzz being worried about UNC fast breaking on missed threes, but he missed the obvious point which was the only chance we had to win the game was to make threes. You cannot make threes, if you do not shoot them.

MU was 2-16 from three in that game with Frozena being one of the makes.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2021, 05:44:06 PM
Next time we play Murray State, I’ll be on the lookout for a similar post from you re: Wojo.

You don't have to wait ...

I think Ja just scored again!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 23, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
You don't have to wait ...

I think Ja just scored again!

And Joey got put on another poster.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: cheebs09 on February 23, 2021, 07:36:09 PM
That was one of the worst game plans ever. Buzz did not want UNC fast breaking on our missed threes, so he told our players not to shoot from the outside. We kept trying to get the ball inside to Otule, who ended up with zero points for the game. UNC turned our turnovers on passes to Otule into fast break points. I can understand Buzz being worried about UNC fast breaking on missed threes, but he missed the obvious point which was the only chance we had to win the game was to make threes. You cannot make threes, if you do not shoot them.

I think that game made Henson a lot of money. Way to go Bucks.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Lens on February 23, 2021, 07:45:35 PM
That may be the only S16 in MU history where we were a true Cinderella/ didn’t deserve to be there.  Every other year we’ve been favored to advance that far or at least in the convo (6 seed in ‘94 for example).
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 23, 2021, 07:55:52 PM
That may be the only S16 in MU history where we were a true Cinderella/ didn’t deserve to be there.  Every other year we’ve been favored to advance that far or at least in the convo (6 seed in ‘94 for example).


While we were in the Sweet Sixteen convo in 1977, we were underdogs right from the opening round game against Cincinnati. They beat MU in the regular season, and then we stumbled into the dance.

If memory serves, we were underdogs in every game except UNC Charlotte.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: The Lens on February 23, 2021, 08:14:45 PM
In ‘77 we finished the regular season 7th in the AP Poll and 14th in the UPI.   

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: 79Warrior on February 23, 2021, 08:15:29 PM
Have ya herd da won 'bout playas bein' tired too games inta da seesun, hey?

See Dodds. That is his go to excuse.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 23, 2021, 08:29:01 PM
In ‘77 we finished the regular season 7th in the AP Poll and 14th in the UPI.



Yes, but despite the rankings, we were firmly on the bubble. In fact, there was speculation that our huge first half at Michigan got us in. And even once we got in, many expected MU to be one and done.


Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2021, 09:13:40 PM


Oh wait ...

That was a 946-3 loss for our Buzz-coached group -- a team that included one future NBA All-Star, another guy who would become a fine NBA player, and 3 others who would spend time on NBA rosters.

Wait ... I think the Heels just scored on us again.

BW (Before Wojo) it was embarrassing to be a Marquette fan. Nothing worse than getting pounded after reaching the FF, E8 or S16. Now we regularly 965-1 but it’s OK. Wojo’s done for MU basketball what I thought to be impossible: almost nobody knows and even fewer people care. Banner worthy, a’ina?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2021, 09:29:04 PM


Yes, but despite the rankings, we were firmly on the bubble. In fact, there was speculation that our huge first half at Michigan got us in. And even once we got in, many expected MU to be one and done.

We were #2 in the nation when the season started. We were loaded. The distraction of Al’s retirement hung over that team and it underachieved. We were on the bubble when we went on the road for 5 games to finish the season. After we won the first 4 we were 20-6 and likely in.  After a solid first half at #2 Michigan (I think we were up 5 or 6 at the break) the announcement came.

I’m sure “many” expected us to be one and done, but many more didn’t. We were the clear betting favorite in all of our tournament games except the final vs UNC.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2021, 09:32:03 PM
BW (Before Wojo) it was embarrassing to be a Marquette fan. Nothing worse than getting pounded after reaching the FF, E8 or S16. Now we regularly 965-1 but it’s OK. Wojo’s done for MU basketball what I thought to be impossible: almost nobody knows and even fewer people care. Banner worthy, a’ina?

Nope. Wojo's gotta go.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 23, 2021, 10:15:14 PM
We were #2 in the nation when the season started. We were loaded. The distraction of Al’s retirement hung over that team and it underachieved. We were on the bubble when we went on the road for 5 games to finish the season. After we won the first 4 we were 20-6 and likely in.  After a solid first half at #2 Michigan (I think we were up 5 or 6 at the break) the announcement came.

I’m sure “many” expected us to be one and done, but many more didn’t. We were the clear betting favorite in all of our tournament games except the final vs UNC.


I know the history. I was out most of the home games that season and all five of the tournament games. And while you may think we were favored in all but the UNC game, we weren’t.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on February 24, 2021, 07:47:03 AM
News Observer article: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html (https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html)
Wojo likes the boos
“Obviously, the atmosphere will be much different than what I’m accustomed to in the Dean Dome,” Wojciechowski said. “I’m kind of disappointed I won’t get any boos because that’s what I’m used to when I go over there.”
Wojciechowski will take his new school to see the old while they’re so close. He said the team will stay in Chapel Hill Wednesday night and practice in Cameron Indoor Stadium on Thursday before leaving for UConn.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 07:50:07 AM
News Observer article: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html
Wojo likes the boos“Obviously, the atmosphere will be much different than what I’m accustomed to in the Dean Dome,” Wojciechowski said. “I’m kind of disappointed I won’t get any boos because that’s what I’m used to when I go over there.”
They will practice in Cameron tomorrow before heading to UConnWojciechowski will take his new school to see the old while they’re so close. He said the team will stay in Chapel Hill Wednesday night and practice in Cameron Indoor Stadium on Thursday before leaving for UConn.

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html#storylink=cpy

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html#storylink=cpy

Maybe he's got an interview for a assistant coaching job to go to?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: Silent Verbal on February 24, 2021, 09:43:45 AM
News Observer article: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html (https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article249452030.html)
Wojo likes the boos
“Obviously, the atmosphere will be much different than what I’m accustomed to in the Dean Dome,” Wojciechowski said. “I’m kind of disappointed I won’t get any boos because that’s what I’m used to when I go over there.”
Wojciechowski will take his new school to see the old while they’re so close. He said the team will stay in Chapel Hill Wednesday night and practice in Cameron Indoor Stadium on Thursday before leaving for UConn.

He’s probably gettin’ used to it at Fiserv too, hey?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2021, 09:54:01 AM
He’s probably gettin’ used to it at Fiserv too, hey?


They reprogrammed the canned fan noise?  ;D
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: cheebs09 on February 24, 2021, 10:18:50 AM
That’s very cool that they are practicing at Cameron. If nothing else, this will be a trip the players can tell their kids and grandkids about. Hopefully the story includes a win.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 24, 2021, 10:43:05 AM
That’s very cool that they are practicing at Cameron. If nothing else, this will be a trip the players can tell their kids and grandkids about. Hopefully the story includes a win.

Better yet, 2, and we fans can start dreaming again. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Marquette at North Carolina
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 24, 2021, 10:47:47 AM
One thing that I don't know that's been mentioned is that the Big East team that North Carolina is most similar to is UConn. They play very similar styles of ball. I wouldn't be surprised if MU targeted North Carolina because it would better prepare them for the game against UConn.