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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NCMUFan on January 24, 2021, 02:55:27 PM

Title: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 24, 2021, 02:55:27 PM
Ok, sticking my neck out for the team and being optimistic again.
Still lots of basketball left.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: JWags85 on January 24, 2021, 03:14:07 PM
“We have a pretty good Team & Coach”
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: panda on January 24, 2021, 03:17:55 PM
“We have a pretty good Team & Coach”

Lol +1
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 24, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
Ok, maybe I am like Linus and the Great Pumpkin yelling "You'll see!".  ;D
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 24, 2021, 04:07:09 PM
“We have a pretty good Team & Coach”

Haha!! Well played
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: brewcity77 on January 24, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Mathematically this is true. But we need to find another gear if we're going to end up hunting anything other than a comfy seat on the couch come the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 24, 2021, 05:32:25 PM
Mathematically this is true. But we need to find another gear if we're going to end up hunting anything other than a comfy seat on the couch come the NCAA Tournament.

Agree! and With COVID I wouldn’t participate in any post season tournament other that the  NCAA
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
Agree! and With COVID I wouldn’t participate in any post season tournament other that the  NCAA

I doubt there will be any others.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2021, 05:37:12 PM
Mathematically this is true. But we need to find another gear if we're going to end up hunting anything other than a comfy seat on the couch come the NCAA Tournament.

Because the one thing Wojo excels at is finishing the year strong. 😉😉
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
Eye'll take da under, hey?
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 24, 2021, 07:55:55 PM
Ok, sticking my neck out for the team and being optimistic again.
Still lots of basketball left.

#79 in NET ranking right behind....

Missouri State, Davidson, Abilene Christian & San Francisco
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 24, 2021, 08:13:19 PM
Look at the bright side - we don;t have a late-season collapse to worry about this year.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: MuggsyB on January 24, 2021, 08:14:38 PM
#79 in NET ranking right behind....

Missouri State, Davidson, Abilene Christian & San Francisco

Ughhh
Ughhh
Ouch
Ughhh
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 24, 2021, 08:14:50 PM
Look at the bright side - we don;t have a late-season collapse to worry about this year.

Big brain here.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 24, 2021, 08:17:45 PM
#79 in NET ranking right behind....

Missouri State, Davidson, Abilene Christian & San Francisco

Hey,  but at least we have a “clean” program
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: WarriorFan on January 24, 2021, 08:22:06 PM
It's a psychological strategy by Wojo to have the collapse earlier in the season so fans aren't so dismayed by the end of the season.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: panda on January 24, 2021, 08:24:11 PM
It's a psychological strategy by Wojo to have the collapse earlier in the season so fans aren't so dismayed by the end of the season.

Solid move. Allow the anger to turn to apathy by the end of February. Great move for job security.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 24, 2021, 08:25:53 PM
#79 in NET ranking right behind....

Missouri State, Davidson, Abilene Christian & San Francisco

Maybe time to add some last minute games.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: MuggsyB on January 24, 2021, 08:31:20 PM
Maybe time to add some last minute games.

Yes.  Couldn't hurt.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: willie warrior on January 24, 2021, 08:35:46 PM
Maybe time to add some last minute games.
Ah yes, after almost 7 futile years, clutch at "Soooo...you're telling me we still have some kind of pull it out of your arse chance."
Pass the Maryjane please.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Cfollow on January 24, 2021, 08:41:52 PM
I cant even imagine being so foolishly optimistic. It's like being a dog and loving whomever has bacon in their pocket. Its absolute brain stem level functioning.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 25, 2021, 07:31:16 AM
What I find amazing is the stress level generated from 18-22 year olds throwing a ball in a basket.  ;D
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2021, 07:34:24 AM
Apathy is da gratest form of flattery, aina?
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 25, 2021, 07:45:23 AM
I just choose to enjoy the team and the season!  Go Marquette!  ;D
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: panda on January 25, 2021, 07:46:10 AM
I just choose to enjoy the team and the season!  Go Marquette!  ;D

Ignorance is bliss!
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 25, 2021, 07:49:24 AM
Hey, this team has short comings.  But it does not deter myself from rooting for my favorite team.  Go Marquette!
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2021, 11:51:11 AM
What I find amazing is the stress level generated from 18-22 year olds throwing a ball in a basket.  ;D

So when you’re called out for being a Pollyanna in the face of ample evidence to the alternative, you passive aggressively poke fun at those who are upset by it and don’t share your blissfully ignorance?  Got it

Hey, this team has short comings.  But it does not deter myself from rooting for my favorite team.  Go Marquette!

Cool? Nobody here is not rooting for their favorite team.  But maybe stop making endless new topics which serve to exalt yourself as a fan cause you only see nebulous positives or whatever it is you’re rambling about after the team has crashed and burned for yet another season
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Big Papi on January 26, 2021, 07:31:54 AM
This program has trended towards non-relevance ever since Buzz left.  Its like the Mike Deane years but at least back then it was still fun to watch to see when Deane would flip out and call his first time out of the game. 

At 4-5, all we are in the hunt for now is mediocrity. 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 07:41:46 AM
I hope you folks right the crisis.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: We R Final Four on January 26, 2021, 08:14:11 AM


Nobody here is not rooting for their favorite team. 

Hmmm....I’d bet there are a few.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: dgies9156 on January 26, 2021, 08:21:27 AM
I guess weed is legal in North Carolina.

Or else senility has set in!

That's the only way one can be optimistic about this team.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 08:27:51 AM
Ha Ha, good stuff.   ;D.  Always good to know I can come to MUSCOOP to get a chuckle.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 26, 2021, 11:11:00 AM
This program has trended towards non-relevance ever since Buzz left.  Its like the Mike Deane years but at least back then it was still fun to watch to see when Deane would flip out and call his first time out of the game. 

At 4-5, all we are in the hunt for now is mediocrity.

the difference being under Deane our recruiting class elicited a response of "who" whereas now we're getting McDonald's AA's and highly rated recruits.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
Are you saying MU didn't always get high level recruits?  How can that be?
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 26, 2021, 11:40:42 AM
Are you saying MU didn't always get high level recruits?  How can that be?

I guess it depends on your definition of high level.  Deane's last class was made up of a player ranked 20th...in the state of Indiana.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 11:42:14 AM
Billy, seems like you are contradicting yourself with your past post.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 26, 2021, 11:47:09 AM
Billy, seems like you are contradicting yourself with your last post.

not really. We're beating out Power 5 programs now whereas under Deane we were getting guys who were unknowns. Garcia was 37th nationally and a McD AA. Hester's best was honorable mention in the city of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 11:50:22 AM
Ok, I am following you.  I guess we hadn't always been getting highly rated recruits.  Well that is nice.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 26, 2021, 12:00:41 PM
Ok, I am following you.  I guess we hadn't always been getting highly rated recruits.  Well that is nice.

Poor recruiting led to Deane getting fired.  MU has always had the ability to attract high level recruits.  When it DIDN’T happen that coach was fired.  We are in the polar opposite position as a program now and ultimately this coach will be fired for it barring a miracle tournament run or brain dead BOT members within the next two years.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
Again, I am confused.  So Deane did not want high recruits, so he got fired? 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 26, 2021, 12:21:30 PM
Again, I am confused.  So Deane did not want high recruits, so he got fired?

I may be missing something because I did not read the whole thread.  Deane was fired for not bringing in good enough recruits.  I would assume he wanted them but wasn’t able to get them because he was not a good recruiter.

Hope that clears up your confusion?

Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 12:23:12 PM
So high level recruiting is a skill that not all coaches have.  Yes, I am following you now.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 26, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
I may be missing something because I did not read the whole thread.  Deane was fired for not bringing in good enough recruits.  I would assume he wanted them but wasn’t able to get them because he was not a good recruiter.

Hope that clears up your confusion?

LeDarryl Billingsley was a killer for Deane. He'd committed then flipped to Tulane.

Deane didn't want to recruit Milwaukee kids (didn't want family and friends around), and after getting burned by Alton Mason having to leave at mid-terms because he couldn't cut it academically he became more concerned about academics. We had great kids in Bart Miller, John Mueller, and David Diggs but they weren't good enough to keep MU near the top of CUSA. Performance dropped once KO's last class was gone which led to the decision to dismiss him.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: muwarrior97 on January 26, 2021, 12:36:33 PM
Ignorance is bliss!

Trying to be blissful is difficult :(
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 12:41:24 PM
Wow, summing up MU BB, good coaches left for better jobs and bad ones were fired.
But we keep trying.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Silent Verbal on January 26, 2021, 12:46:11 PM
So high level recruiting is a skill that not all coaches have.  Yes, I am following you now.

Sigh.  In the last three decades, we’ve had ONE coach who was a bad recruiter.  It was an anomaly, and a bad hire.  That coach was dispatched of quickly.

You’re being purposely obtuse.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: NCMUFan on January 26, 2021, 01:03:09 PM
You folks are ready to move on from Wojo.
Personally, I think we were pretty lucky with Crean and Buzz.  They definitely had shortcomings, but they brought exciting competitive basketball to MU.
Hopefully the next MU coach will be a step up from Wojo.  If not, it could be even more dismal than Wojo for 7 plus years while they have their free pass.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 26, 2021, 01:13:06 PM
You folks are ready to move on from Wojo.
Personally, I think we were pretty lucky with Crean and Buzz.  They definitely had shortcomings, but they brought exciting competitive basketball to MU.
Hopefully the next MU coach will be a step up from Wojo.  If not, it could be even more dismal than Wojo for 7 plus years while they have their free pass.

That is the concern.  They need to get it right or it will be another dismal 5-7 years. 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 27, 2021, 11:21:16 AM
I may be missing something because I did not read the whole thread.  Deane was fired for not bringing in good enough recruits.  I would assume he wanted them but wasn’t able to get them because he was not a good recruiter.

Hope that clears up your confusion?

Not only was Deane not a good recruiter, he stated publicly that any Marquette coach would be unable to compete for the best recruits with the P5 schools (they weren't known as P5 then, but that was his message). 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
I haven't watched much CBB this year outside of MU, but based on historical precedent and the two big wins, I'd have to imagine that .500 in the BE gives Marquette a pretty good chance to get in.  At 4-5, obviously there is still a chance to get to .500 or better in the BE.  Whether or not they can do it...yeah, who knows. 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 27, 2021, 11:52:04 AM
I haven't watched much CBB this year outside of MU, but based on historical precedent and the two big wins, I'd have to imagine that .500 in the BE gives Marquette a pretty good chance to get in.  At 4-5, obviously there is still a chance to get to .500 or better in the BE.  Whether or not they can do it...yeah, who knows.

Not with a NET in the high 70s.  I think we need to go 7-2 down the stretch at this point.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2021, 12:09:32 PM
Is it better to play nova again and lose or not at all
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: MuggsyB on January 27, 2021, 12:16:03 PM
I haven't watched much CBB this year outside of MU, but based on historical precedent and the two big wins, I'd have to imagine that .500 in the BE gives Marquette a pretty good chance to get in.  At 4-5, obviously there is still a chance to get to .500 or better in the BE.  Whether or not they can do it...yeah, who knows.

Save is correct, it's about who you beat.  If we get to .500 with wins over Creighton and Villanova there's a chance.  We're not getting in if our remaining wins are the bottom feeders plus a win vs X or The Hall.  We are not a good basketball team right now and a loss tonight will for all intents and purposes slam the door unless we win the BEast tourney.  Absolutely must win this evening for a scintilla of hope.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 27, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
Is it better to play nova again and lose or not at all

In general, I think its better to play at Nova. It's a low risk, high reward game when it comes to tournament resume. Lose, even in blowout fashion, and the committee won't punish you (though a blowout could hurt your computer numbers). Win and you could get bumped up multiple seed lines depending on how close together teams are. Plus, a single digit loss likely helps your computer number (or at least keeps them from lowering).
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: BM1090 on January 27, 2021, 12:54:21 PM
Not with a NET in the high 70s.  I think we need to go 7-2 down the stretch at this point.

We'd get in with 6-3. Don't expect that to happen though.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2021, 01:38:47 PM
Not with a NET in the high 70s.  I think we need to go 7-2 down the stretch at this point.

So you're saying they leave out a 10-8 Big East team that played Marquette's schedule?  Don't see it.  But I admit I haven't really dug into NET at all this year so not sure what impact a (say) 5-4 finish (9-9 in BE assuming Nova and Gtown are not made up) would have on NET. 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: hairy worthen on January 27, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
This whole thread reminds me of the Jim Mora "playoff" rant back in the day.  Playoffs? don't talk about playoffs.....
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Silent Verbal on January 27, 2021, 01:51:47 PM
So you're saying they leave out a 10-8 Big East team that played Marquette's schedule?  Don't see it.  But I admit I haven't really dug into NET at all this year so not sure what impact a (say) 5-4 finish (9-9 in BE assuming Nova and Gtown are not made up) would have on NET.

I think you're underestimating how bad the Big East is this year, and I also think the Creighton win won't look all that impressive by season's end.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 27, 2021, 02:26:55 PM
So you're saying they leave out a 10-8 Big East team that played Marquette's schedule?  Don't see it.  But I admit I haven't really dug into NET at all this year so not sure what impact a (say) 5-4 finish (9-9 in BE assuming Nova and Gtown are not made up) would have on NET.

Marquette's resume is weird. 10-8 in the Big East with as tough of a schedule as they played is absolutely bid worthy...and the quadrants would agree...but they keep losing by 7-11 points at home which tanks their computer numbers (not to mention the 17 point home beatdown by Nova). MU's fate at 10-8 would largely depend on what the committee chooses to emphasize this year. If its NET, MU would be out. If its the quadrants, MU would be in. Teams in the 60s and 70s have made the NET before, I don't know if COVID would make the committee rely more or less an NET.
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2021, 02:47:12 PM
I think you're underestimating how bad the Big East is this year, and I also think the Creighton win won't look all that impressive by season's end.

I may be.  But 68 teams make the tournament.  That's a lot, and most conferences aren't very good other than the B10 and B12. 
Title: Re: 4-5 still in the hunt
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 27, 2021, 04:05:15 PM
This whole thread reminds me of the Jim Mora "playoff" rant back in the day.  Playoffs? don't talk about playoffs.....

https://twitter.com/JoeBuscaglia/status/933439575623716864