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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on January 24, 2021, 10:05:57 AM
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Would anyone be interested in trying this? Essentially we all just tell our friends/family to stay home for just one game.
It'd be embarrassing on national TV so the administration would have to acknowledge the issue right?
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Do we really need to do that for people to not show up?
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I like where your head is at. A season ticket boycott would be even better.
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I never thought I'd get to this point, but I dunno if I'll renew next season. The points are essentially meaningless with the lower bowl inventory available.
I'm not a high-roller by any stretch, but I don't know what else there is to do to show my disappoinment with this current regime.
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I'm considering the 2020-21 season my boycott. If I was paying for games this year, I'd be a bad place.
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I'm not saying get everyone to not reup their Season tickets, that'd be far to hard to achieve but if 1 game, especially a Big East game, next to nobody showed up then I think we'd have gotten our statement across.
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When you factor in driving downtown, finding parking, getting stuck in post game traffic, and then driving home, going to a game can be a 4-5 hour affair for some folks. Attending MU games is one of my favorite things to do in winter, but with the current program under Wojo, I don't think going to games in person is really worth the time or money right now. I wouldn't even call that a boycott, I'm just too disgusted and apathetic to do anything more than watch on tv. If they can Wojo's ass and hire a new coach, I could get excited again.
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From my few times at Fishers, I have determined there is not a bad seat so will never buy season tickets. I can get great seats anytime for an individual game. I will reconsider when the team gets a coach capable of coaching a major D1 team.
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I never thought I'd get to this point, but I dunno if I'll renew next season. The points are essentially meaningless with the lower bowl inventory available.
I'm not a high-roller by any stretch, but I don't know what else there is to do to show my disappoinment with this current regime.
I’m definitely in the same boat. I’m a drop in the bucket, but it’s just not that much fun right now.
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Definitely a good way to send a message. It’s got to hit the bottom line for this admin to care/take notice...let alone make a change.
I haven’t a clue on the numbers but there has to have been a steady decline in season ticket renewals with, what I imagine, will be a significant decline next year.
The apathy is at a (modern day) all time high. I’ve gone from multi-year season ticket holder/watching every game live....to recording every game (trying not to see the score before watching)...to recording every game and watching in fast forward...to recording and checking the final score to see if I want to waste any amount of time watching any part of it. Pathetic.
The way the team collapsed the last two seasons combined with this year’s team, it's not worth the frustration/agony.
Obviously appreciate the clean program, etc...but it has lost all of it’s mojo. Honestly, what does Wojo say to these kids to get them to commit?!
I’m sure our facilities are comparable-to-better with other strong programs but that’s table stakes for any “top recruit.”
You look at the way this team gets lost within a game, the inability for Wojo to get them back on-track and I just don’t get it.
They had one week to prepare for DePaul....DePaul...and got outplayed. Admittedly didn’t watch one second of the game after seeing the final score but this has to be it.
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Would anyone be interested in trying this? Essentially we all just tell our friends/family to stay home for just one game.
It'd be embarrassing on national TV so the administration would have to acknowledge the issue right?
I don't think that will be necessary at all. If this season continues it's trajectory, the apathy will send a clear message.
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If your unhappy tell MU. Call them, email them let them know!! Bitching on a message board isn't going to do anything!
I think wojo should be gone!
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Would anyone be interested in trying this? Essentially we all just tell our friends/family to stay home for just one game.
It'd be embarrassing on national TV so the administration would have to acknowledge the issue right?
Bad idea. Student athletes play for Marquette. Who really gets hurt? I support the young men and women wearing Marquette jerseys.
Step one. Lovell has to go. Worthless fundraiser during his tenure so far. The rest of the dominos will follow once he is gone.
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Bad idea. Student athletes play for Marquette. Who really gets hurt? I support the young men and women wearing Marquette jerseys.
Agree.
Regardless of one's view on Wojo or the intent behind a boycott, there is a good chance that it would hurt the players and their families, look bad to potential recruits and generally be misconstrued by the media and opposing coaches.
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Agree.
Regardless of one's view on Wojo or the intent behind a boycott, there is a good chance that it would hurt the players and their families, look bad to potential recruits and generally be misconstrued by the media and opposing coaches.
True, but I can't imagine home losses to Depaul look very good to recruits either. Wojo was in over his head his first season and not much has changed between then and now. Bring in someone who understands X's and O's!!
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I thought it's only a game? Seems like a little too much effort to organize this boycott you speak of.
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So with wojo as coach again next season we should boycott a game? Not going to happen or make a difference. There will be a ton of empty seats next year anyway!
Call MU! Email MU! let these morons know what you feel!
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how many people do u think we all know? maybe if 50 scoop ppl ask others to plan this maybe we get 100 or so ppl to not show up. maybe
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I thought it's only a game? Seems like a little too much effort to organize this boycott you speak of.
The only a game thread was to get people to stop fighting with each other hurling personal insults, fighting with players' family members, and just contextualize the place of a game in our lives. The point of getting the administration to hear were sick of this is for fan benefit.
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Zilber Hall has bigger fish ta fry, aina?
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Wojo musta been coaching the Packers today :o
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how many people do u think we all know? maybe if 50 scoop ppl ask others to plan this maybe we get 100 or so ppl to not show up. maybe
All movements begin with but a few - but the cause is just. Surely everyone agrees that FLM (fan’s lives matter). We’ll get Wades to write our manifesto about how the power point promised Duke North but delivered Doo Doo.
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Who to email in the admin? I’d love to write a few folks but no idea where to start.
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I thought it's only a game? Seems like a little too much effort to organize this boycott you speak of.
...it is only a game, yet, for Marquette, the basketball heritage that was developed, it’s more than a game. Basketball for MU is a big deal and it’s being smoked by this administration and current coaching staff. Lovell does need to go but not so sure the BOT will make that call. Hence, Wojo is probably HC for the 21/22 season. Assuming more mediocrity, Lovell or no Lovell, I do believe Wojo gets the hook.
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Who to email in the admin? I’d love to write a few folks but no idea where to start.
This is probably the spot to start.
mailto:athleticdirector@marquette.edu
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This is probably the spot to start.
mailto:athleticdirector@marquette.edu
my email goes out tomorrow. Thank you cheebs.
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Bad idea. Student athletes play for Marquette. Who really gets hurt? I support the young men and women wearing Marquette jerseys.
Step one. Lovell has to go. Worthless fundraiser during his tenure so far. The rest of the dominos will follow once he is gone.
I agree with Lovell being shown the door, he has been a disaster and is destroying the reputation of MU. The basketball program is but a symptom of his mismanagement.
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The ideas being discussed so far in this thread probably won't work, but I at least some Scoopers are thinking bigger.
Rather than just repeating the same whines over and over and over again on a relatively small interwebs site, if there really is the large contingent of Wojo-hating MU fans that some here claim there is - some even have suggested that it's the majority, IIRC - then we gotta think big.
Why one game? Why not arrange a season-ticket boycott? If season tickets went from the thousands to the hundreds, there's your message to Lovell, the BOD and anybody else that matters.
I am not being facetious. Even though I am not a season ticket holder (because I live 900 miles away), I would strongly support this.
Failing that (because it would be too difficult to organize and because probably too few would take part), a massive letter-writing campaign - or at least a petition drive - might move the needle.
What I'm pretty sure won't move the needle one iota is a bunch of grumpy fans (myself included) beyotching on Scoop.
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The ideas being discussed so far in this thread probably won't work, but I at least some Scoopers are thinking bigger.
Rather than just repeating the same whines over and over and over again on a relatively small interwebs site, if there really is the large contingent of Wojo-hating MU fans that some here claim there is - some even have suggested that it's the majority, IIRC - then we gotta think big.
Why one game? Why not arrange a season-ticket boycott? If season tickets went from the thousands to the hundreds, there's your message to Lovell, the BOD and anybody else that matters.
I am not being facetious. Even though I am not a season ticket holder (because I live 900 miles away), I would strongly support this.
Failing that (because it would be too difficult to organize and because probably too few would take part), a massive letter-writing campaign - or at least a petition drive - might move the needle.
What I'm pretty sure won't move the needle one iota is a bunch of grumpy fans (myself included) beyotching on Scoop.
Well my thought with 1 game was that it wouldn't make the players feel like we weren't supporting them while at the same time may effectively get the point across to the admins about Wojo. Obviously if you had a STH boycott the point would be heard loud and clear but would it be at the expense of alienating the students that bust their butts day in and day out for our entertainment? That's the line I don't want to cross.
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Well my thought with 1 game was that it wouldn't make the players feel like we weren't supporting them while at the same time may effectively get the point across to the admins about Wojo. Obviously if you had a STH boycott the point would be heard loud and clear but would it be at the expense of alienating the students that bust their butts day in and day out for our entertainment? That's the line I don't want to cross.
I think we are going to see STHs put their disposable income elsewhere. I can’t really see recent grads buying tickets in the Coors Light section. I’m sure some of that will be written off due to Covid and sports attendance in general.
I think half the frustration is that people think Lovell and Scholl are very satisfied with the current standing of the program. Scandal free and can win a big game here and there. I don’t know if that’s true or how they change that.
If there’s an extension this summer for recruiting purposes, the messaging will be very interesting to see.
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Well my thought with 1 game was that it wouldn't make the players feel like we weren't supporting them while at the same time may effectively get the point across to the admins about Wojo. Obviously if you had a STH boycott the point would be heard loud and clear but would it be at the expense of alienating the students that bust their butts day in and day out for our entertainment? That's the line I don't want to cross.
Unless Wojo would be replaced by Killings, the players would be a lost cause anyway.
I mean, hundreds (or maybe even 1000+) chanted "Wojo sucks" at most home games last season, even when we were an obvious NCAA tourney team ... and yet nobody transferred and the recruits still came.
Firing Wojo probably would cost us every good player/recruit. But you still do it anyway if you think you need to make a change.
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Firing Wojo probably would cost us every good player/recruit. But you still do it anyway if you think you need to make a change.
Exactly and with how fluid recruiting and transfers are nowadays, a good coach can have a competitive team in year one. The myth of "we can't afford to rebuild for 3 years" is completely absurd and actually a myth wojo tried to sell when he first got here.
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Unless Wojo would be replaced by Killings, the players would be a lost cause anyway.
I mean, hundreds (or maybe even 1000+) chanted "Wojo sucks" at most home games last season, even when we were an obvious NCAA tourney team ... and yet nobody transferred and the recruits still came.
Firing Wojo probably would cost us every good player/recruit. But you still do it anyway if you think you need to make a change.
Agreed. When you hire a new coach, you have to allow for a rough first season where lots of guys transfer and the roster is a mess. But if the coach you hired is any good, by year two he'll have brought in some good players of his own and the team should be trending up.
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Exactly and with how fluid recruiting and transfers are nowadays, a good coach can have a competitive team in year one. The myth of "we can't afford to rebuild for 3 years" is completely absurd and actually a myth wojo tried to sell when he first got here.
Well it depends on how you look at it. It seems clear to me what Wojo's theoretical strategy was to put a system in place that never got "young" and would stagger good classes. It never really got going. Obviously if you want to be stressed and doing crazy recruiting every year then you can certainly build an immediately successful team. But you may leave yourself open to random really rough years.
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Barring a late-season run and a tournament berth, I don't think we'll renew for next year. Wednesday will be the first MU game in years that we are voluntarily not watching. It's just high-stress and little enjoyment currently.
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Exactly and with how fluid recruiting and transfers are nowadays, a good coach can have a competitive team in year one. The myth of "we can't afford to rebuild for 3 years" is completely absurd and actually a myth wojo tried to sell when he first got here.
Steve Forbes on line 1 for you
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Put Megan Duffy on line 1. She had zero expectations and all she did was go out and win. She way out paced her expectations.
If we're making a change it should be for a coach with some urgency. The plan, the PowerPoint and the pick-up hoops at Noon all sound good but in today's CBB you can rework on the fly.
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Steve Forbes on line 1 for you
Wake is a dumpster fire. Even a good coach like Forbes wasn’t going to win year 1.
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We could always get on board with the women's team. They are 9-2 this year. ;D
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We could always get on board with the women's team. They are 9-2 this year. ;D
I'm on board with them. Would be happier if they hadn't fallen to SHU but if they can split with Depaul and take care of business against everyone else before getting worked by UConn I'll be thrilled.
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Obviously if you want to be stressed and doing crazy recruiting every year then you can certainly build an immediately successful team.
Guy makes 2 million a year. God forbid he be “stressed” and “doing crazy recruiting” every year to get good fast and stay that way. Maybe I’m being a jerk but I thought that was part of his job description.
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Sorry but if you truly love the team and the school and program, you should never be suggesting things like this. No true fan wants to hurt the program, embarrass the program, etc. You may not like the way things are going but any true fan should support the hell out of it and hope it gets better.
Just my opinion.
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Sorry but if you truly love the team and the school and program, you should never be suggesting things like this. No true fan wants to hurt the program, embarrass the program, etc. You may not like the way things are going but any true fan should support the hell out of it and hope it gets better.
Just my opinion.
It is your opinion, and my opinion is that your opinion is horribly wrong. No one’s talking about hurting the program. In fact, people want to make things better by giving Wojo the heave ho. Thing is, if Marquette keeps drawing huge crowds despite putting a product on the floor that’s bad enough to lose to DePaul at home and torpedo the season, the powers that be will have no reason to want to change things. Since the fans can’t fire Wojo, all they can do is either not show up or go to games and voice their displeasure. Giving the games a miss altogether seems like the more peaceful form of protest.
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It is your opinion, and my opinion is that your opinion is horribly wrong. No one’s talking about hurting the program. In fact, people want to make things better by giving Wojo the heave ho. Thing is, if Marquette keeps drawing huge crowds despite putting a product on the floor that’s bad enough to lose to DePaul at home and torpedo the season, the powers that be will have no reason to want to change things. Since the fans can’t fire Wojo, all they can do is either not show up or go to games and voice their displeasure. Giving the games a miss altogether seems like the more peaceful form of protest.
If your goal is to publicly embarrass the program and organize away support from it, then I think it is hurting the program. Otherwise it's just an ego driven pipe dream that you can actually influence the administration through these tactics, which is kind of silly I think.
I don't disagree that this program may be better off without Wojo and trying someone else. But i'm never gonna take a demolition ball to my own program and kids wearing my jersey to do it.
In my opinion, putting huge crowds together despite a crapty product proves how exceptional a program and fan base and tradition we have, not the opposite. If we give that up we are losing a main aspect of what truly makes us special. A loyal fan base is special, so to be truly loyal you have to be loyal when things are crapty.
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Sorry but if you truly love the team and the school and program, you should never be suggesting things like this. No true fan wants to hurt the program, embarrass the program, etc. You may not like the way things are going but any true fan should support the hell out of it and hope it gets better.
Just my opinion.
I proclaimed this for 6 years of this average crap.
Enough is enough, I used to camp outside the Bradley center, have woken up in the middle of the night when I was in grad school abroad to watch them, gone to away games in NYC, UW DPU and BU, organized watching events, donated, driven to weeknight games from Chicago, bought all the jerseys etc etc etc. I don't need to be lectured about loving the program. My attitude has always been "if we can't directly change it then I'll ride or die with who we have" and I'm on record arguing that point with Doc. But I thought of a way that could actually get the message that this mediocre basketball is unacceptable across to the admins and because of that I'd be 100% willing to do it for a game. And it would not represent how much I love our program.
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I proclaimed this for 6 years of this average crap.
Enough is enough, I used to camp outside the Bradley center, have woken up in the middle of the night when I was in grad school abroad to watch them, gone to away games in NYC, UW DPU and BU, organized watching events, donated, driven to weeknight games from Chicago, bought all the jerseys etc etc etc. I don't need to be lectured about loving the program. My attitude has always been "if we can't directly change it then I'll ride or die with who we have" and I'm on record arguing that point with Doc. But I thought of a way that could actually get the message that this mediocre basketball is unacceptable across to the admins and because of that I'd be 100% willing to do it for a game. And it would not represent how much I love our program.
Reasonable.
Saying this would be wrong is like saying peaceful protest is un-American.
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a boycott alone won't do it. it needs to be a walkout during a game. THAT will get the attention of the Admin.
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Nah, storm Zilber Hall. Kinda like an erection, hey?
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a boycott alone won't do it. it needs to be a walkout during a game. THAT will get the attention of the Admin.
Doesn't that pretty much happen EVERY halftime when people are too busy at the arena to get back to their seats?
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Doesn't that pretty much happen EVERY halftime when people are too busy at the arena to get back to their seats?
No. During the game action. It happens in soccer occasionally.
Thousands of Liverpool fans voted with their feet in protest at ticket prices as Anfield witnessed its first walkout in its 132-year history.
Supporters’ groups organised the action for the 77th minute of the match against Sunderland
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/06/liverpool-fans-walkout-thousands-ticket-price-protest
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As I said, if nobody renews their season tickets, THAT would get the administration's attention.
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I'm sure top coaches would be lining up to send their resumes to MU after the university fired a coach because some fans pulled a stunt at a game.
A lot of people falsely assume that the administration is happy with the status quo. A boycott is not needed. All that is needed is for the trajectory to remain the same and Wojo will be gone by end of next season. It would have been this season if not for COVID.
That being said, coaches are judged on seasons, not games. They have 9 games to theoretically turn it around. At Providence will tell us a lot about the team. I have little hope at this point that they can pull it off.
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I'm sure top coaches would be lining up to send their resumes to MU after the university fired a coach because some fans pulled a stunt at a game.
A lot of people falsely assume that the administration is happy with the status quo. A boycott is not needed. All that is needed is for the trajectory to remain the same and Wojo will be gone by end of next season. It would have been this season if not for COVID.
That being said, coaches are judged on seasons, not games. They have 9 games to theoretically turn it around. At Providence will tell us a lot about the team. I have little hope at this point that they can pull it off.
u nojo now or?
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u nojo now or?
No. I'm as close as I've ever been but I won't be a Nojo until we get to the point where it's no longer possible for us to earn an at large bid. By my current estimation that's four more regular season losses. For me, last season was the first season we didn't live up to expectations. Fail to make the tournament this season and that'll be two in a row and I'll be ready for a change. Unfortunately, Wojo is safe no matter what this season unless either a donor comes out of the woodwork to pay the buyout (the Wake Forest special) or photos of Wojo at the capitol riot surface (credit to whoever made that joke a few weeks ago)
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No. I'm as close as I've ever been but I won't be a Nojo until we get to the point where it's no longer possible for us to earn an at large bid. By my current estimation that's four more regular season losses. For me, last season was the first season we didn't live up to expectations. Fail to make the tournament this season and that'll be two in a row and I'll be ready for a change. Unfortunately, Wojo is safe no matter what this season unless either a donor comes out of the woodwork to pay the buyout (the Wake Forest special) or photos of Wojo at the capitol riot surface (credit to whoever made that joke a few weeks ago)
Wow, is that really what happened at Wake Forest? Anyone got Dick Strong's number, hey?
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Wow, is that really what happened at Wake Forest? Anyone got Dick Strong's number, hey?
His bank account isn’t as large as it use to be.
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I'm sure top coaches would be lining up to send their resumes to MU after the university fired a coach because some fans pulled a stunt at a game.
A lot of people falsely assume that the administration is happy with the status quo. A boycott is not needed. All that is needed is for the trajectory to remain the same and Wojo will be gone by end of next season. It would have been this season if not for COVID.
That being said, coaches are judged on seasons, not games. They have 9 games to theoretically turn it around. At Providence will tell us a lot about the team. I have little hope at this point that they can pull it off.
I hear what you're saying, but "top coaches" -- those without baggage who have led P6 schools to NCAA tournament success -- are unlikely to come to Marquette, no matter what fans do or don't do.
Meanwhile, top mid-major coaches and top high-level assistants would still be very interested in Marquette, no matter what fans do or don't do.
Coaches are confident creatures. They look at failed situations and say, "I know things don't look great there, but I'm just the guy to turn it around." It's why even supposedly "bad jobs" have plenty of qualified applicants.
And Marquette is not a "failed situation."
Like you, I'd love to see Wojo turn this season around. It's hard to envision it happening, though. We probably will score a couple of great wins, but then we'll turn around and lose to a couple/few BEast dregs.
And assuming MU sticks with Wojo for next season, I'll again be rooting hard for him to win. I will be happy to admit I gave up on him too soon if he competes for a BEast title, scores a high NCAAT seed and gets to the second weekend.
I will not hope the 2021-22 season sucks just so we can get rid of the coach. To me, that is far worse than participating in a boycott.
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I hear what you're saying, but "top coaches" -- those without baggage who have led P6 schools to NCAA tournament success -- are unlikely to come to Marquette, no matter what fans do or don't do.
Meanwhile, top mid-major coaches and top high-level assistants would still be very interested in Marquette, no matter what fans do or don't do.
Coaches are confident creatures. They look at failed situations and say, "I know things don't look great there, but I'm just the guy to turn it around." It's why even supposedly "bad jobs" have plenty of qualified applicants.
And Marquette is not a "failed situation."
Like you, I'd love to see Wojo turn this season around. It's hard to envision it happening, though. We probably will score a couple of great wins, but then we'll turn around and lose to a couple/few BEast dregs.
And assuming MU sticks with Wojo for next season, I'll again be rooting hard for him to win. I will be happy to admit I gave up on him too soon if he competes for a BEast title, scores a high NCAAT seed and gets to the second weekend.
I will not hope the 2021-22 season sucks just so we can get rid of the coach. To me, that is far worse than participating in a boycott.
Same. I won't stop hoping for the best from this team and consequently the next one and if Wojo get us somewhere I'll celebrate, but it's almost definitely not happening.
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Wow, is that really what happened at Wake Forest? Anyone got Dick Strong's number, hey?
Wake Forest is setting the world on fire at 1-6.
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I'm sure top coaches would be lining up to send their resumes to MU after the university fired a coach because some fans pulled a stunt at a game.
A lot of people falsely assume that the administration is happy with the status quo. A boycott is not needed. All that is needed is for the trajectory to remain the same and Wojo will be gone by end of next season. It would have been this season if not for COVID.
That being said, coaches are judged on seasons, not games. They have 9 games to theoretically turn it around. At Providence will tell us a lot about the team. I have little hope at this point that they can pull it off.
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I hear what you're saying, but "top coaches" -- those without baggage who have led P6 schools to NCAA tournament success -- are unlikely to come to Marquette, no matter what fans do or don't do.
When I say top coaches I don't mean the above. I mean the top reasonable choices.
Meanwhile, top mid-major coaches and top high-level assistants would still be very interested in Marquette, no matter what fans do or don't do.
Coaches are confident creatures. They look at failed situations and say, "I know things don't look great there, but I'm just the guy to turn it around." It's why even supposedly "bad jobs" have plenty of qualified applicants.
And Marquette is not a "failed situation."
I think you overestimate coaches' confidence and underestimate the coaching network. The coaching world is a small one and they are hyperaware of the pros and cons of each job. If Marquette fired a coach after the fans threw a temper tantrum in the form of boycotting a game, fair or not, that would be a clear signal to prospective coaches that Marquette doesn't have their coach's back and lets the inmates run the asylum. In recent years we have seen plenty of mid-major coaches turn down P6 jobs. St. John's couldn't land Porter Moser for example. Now Marquette is a better job than most and they would get someone, but firing a coach because of stunt like that would make the pool smaller. And if we move on, we HAVE to get the next hire right. Programs can survive one misfire on the coaching front, consecutive misfires can destroy programs for decades.
Like you, I'd love to see Wojo turn this season around. It's hard to envision it happening, though. We probably will score a couple of great wins, but then we'll turn around and lose to a couple/few BEast dregs.
And assuming MU sticks with Wojo for next season, I'll again be rooting hard for him to win. I will be happy to admit I gave up on him too soon if he competes for a BEast title, scores a high NCAAT seed and gets to the second weekend.
I will not hope the 2021-22 season sucks just so we can get rid of the coach. To me, that is far worse than participating in a boycott.
It's not worse than participating in a boycotting. Being angry and venting on Scoop is a nothing burger, farting in the wind. A boycott publicly embarrasses the program and has potential to damage our next coaching search and will be used as a negative recruiting tool for years to come. Boycott is much much worse.
Moreover, it's unnecessary. The admin is extremely aware of the fanbase's feelings on Wojo and isn't pleased with the results themselves. COVID will save Wojo's job this season whether he wins every remaining game or loses every remaining game. But if we continue to follow the same trajectory we are on now, Wojo will be gone after next season.
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Edit: he deleted his post about delusions of importance so no need to respond to the asinine comment.
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Moreover, it's unnecessary. The admin is extremely aware of the fanbase's feelings on Wojo and isn't pleased with the results themselves. COVID will save Wojo's job this season whether he wins every remaining game or loses every remaining game. But if we continue to follow the same trajectory we are on now, Wojo will be gone after next season.
You would know better than almost how the admins are feeling toward the program. So I'll take your word for it on that front. But that being said, how does a walk out or single game boycott embarrass the program? Can you break down the logic there? It shows there's avid fans who expect better.
Edit: with any protest/strike/boycott is the goal not to call attention to an issue that does embarrass the admin slightly? I mean again I'm not asking the entire MU community to not attend games next year but I think a single game is hardly the blemish you're making it out to be.
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Wow, is that really what happened at Wake Forest? Anyone got Dick Strong's number, hey?
His bank account isn’t as large as it use to be.
He's also not the billionaire Marquette would expect to help with such things anymore.
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But that being said, how does a walk out or single game boycott embarrass the program? Can you break down the logic there? It shows there's avid fans who expect better.
Because while those who participate will know its about the coach, the narrative will be that the fans don't support the players or the team. And having fans that expect more isn't exactly something to brag about. Every P6 program has that, even DePaul (they just don't have a lot of them). Having fans that support the team even when they are down is unique and something that would actually be attractive to coaches and recruits.
I know some have this fantasy in their head that the players are all prisoners who stay at Marquette despite Wojo and endure having him as their coach. But most of the players love him. Even if the players didn't take it personally that the fans walked out on them and understood it was all about the coach, they still love the coach and would be hurt by the demonstration.
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Because while those who participate will know its about the coach, the narrative will be that the fans don't support the players or the team. And having fans that expect more isn't exactly something to brag about. Every P6 program has that, even DePaul (they just don't have a lot of them). Having fans that support the team even when they are down is unique and something that would actually be attractive to coaches and recruits.
I know some have this fantasy in their head that the players are all prisoners who stay at Marquette despite Wojo and endure having him as their coach. But most of the players love him. Even if the players didn't take it personally that the fans walked out on them and understood it was all about the coach, they still love the coach and would be hurt by the demonstration.
You're right everything points to a lot of his players loving him, despite a lot of transfers.
That being said if they love him that much it wouldn't be expected they'd stay for a new coach anyways. Yes I don't like not supporting the players, and have said that why I'm not advocating a season boycott of any kind. But if the players are here for the coach and won't return for a new hire anyway then I'm not sure that it makes a difference if they're offended or not.
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If you want the right people to hear your concerns, email the Board of Trustees individually, Lovell, & Scholl.
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When I say top coaches I don't mean the above. I mean the top reasonable choices.
I think you overestimate coaches' confidence and underestimate the coaching network. The coaching world is a small one and they are hyperaware of the pros and cons of each job. If Marquette fired a coach after the fans threw a temper tantrum in the form of boycotting a game, fair or not, that would be a clear signal to prospective coaches that Marquette doesn't have their coach's back and lets the inmates run the asylum. In recent years we have seen plenty of mid-major coaches turn down P6 jobs. St. John's couldn't land Porter Moser for example. Now Marquette is a better job than most and they would get someone, but firing a coach because of stunt like that would make the pool smaller. And if we move on, we HAVE to get the next hire right. Programs can survive one misfire on the coaching front, consecutive misfires can destroy programs for decades.
It's not worse than participating in a boycotting. Being angry and venting on Scoop is a nothing burger, farting in the wind. A boycott publicly embarrasses the program and has potential to damage our next coaching search and will be used as a negative recruiting tool for years to come. Boycott is much much worse.
Moreover, it's unnecessary. The admin is extremely aware of the fanbase's feelings on Wojo and isn't pleased with the results themselves. COVID will save Wojo's job this season whether he wins every remaining game or loses every remaining game. But if we continue to follow the same trajectory we are on now, Wojo will be gone after next season.
I will respectfully agree to disagree on much of this.
The good news is that we'll never know who was "right," as there will be no organized boycott.
Once fans are allowed back in, though, there will be plenty of "Wojo sucks!" And if his team sucks again, he will be fired. What coach would want to come to a school where the fans chant that the coach sucks even though he has led them to 3 NCAA tourneys in 4 years?
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I will respectfully agree to disagree on much of this.
The good news is that we'll never know who was "right," as there will be no organized boycott.
Once fans are allowed back in, though, there will be plenty of "Wojo sucks!" And if his team sucks again, he will be fired. What coach would want to come to a school where the fans chant that the coach sucks even though he has led them to 3 NCAA tourneys in 4 years?
I think we underestimate the arrogance of coaches. I could see many coaches thinking to themselves that they can do a much better job than Wojo currently is.
Some might be relieved that the tipping point is 6 years of no tournament wins as a pretty long leash for fans.
It’s not like fans are upset with a coach that went to a Sweet Sixteen a few years ago and has a conference title or two. The list of accomplishments is pretty short. It’s not like we are calling for changes due to one bad season. It’s been a pretty underwhelming 7 year stretch.
Scrambled Eggs had a nice discussion and brought up something along the lines of would people even consider MU a top 30 program at the moment. I can’t see how they would based on the last 7 years.
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I think we underestimate the arrogance of coaches. I could see many coaches thinking to themselves that they can do a much better job than Wojo currently is.
Some might be relieved that the tipping point is 6 years of no tournament wins as a pretty long leash for fans.
It’s not like fans are upset with a coach that went to a Sweet Sixteen a few years ago and has a conference title or two. The list of accomplishments is pretty short. It’s not like we are calling for changes due to one bad season. It’s been a pretty underwhelming 7 year stretch.
Scrambled Eggs had a nice discussion and brought up something along the lines of would people even consider MU a top 30 program at the moment. I can’t see how they would based on the last 7 years.
The bigger issue I have with this coach is inability to recruit some of the Milwaukee talent. You should have gotten at least 1 kid you would think. Really liked the
kid from St. Cates and he lost him to Iowa St. that is a team in the dumbs right now. Is there anybody on MU's radar for next year in the state?
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The bigger issue I have with this coach is inability to recruit some of the Milwaukee talent. You should have gotten at least 1 kid you would think. Really liked the
kid from St. Cates and he lost him to Iowa St. that is a team in the dumbs right now. Is there anybody on MU's radar for next year in the state?
A kid with a polish last name at St Johns military
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Edit: he deleted his post about delusions of importance so no need to respond to the asinine comment.
Well on second thought I figured it was unfair to go there. But maybe it wasn't.
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You would know better than almost how the admins are feeling toward the program. So I'll take your word for it on that front. But that being said, how does a walk out or single game boycott embarrass the program? Can you break down the logic there? It shows there's avid fans who expect better.
Edit: with any protest/strike/boycott is the goal not to call attention to an issue that does embarrass the admin slightly? I mean again I'm not asking the entire MU community to not attend games next year but I think a single game is hardly the blemish you're making it out to be.
If you think it's such a small deal then why do it? What's the function? Your logic is flawed if you are arguing for it's impact and on the other hand that it is small potatoes.
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A kid with a polish last name at St Johns military
I know about him, I was thinking the following year who are juniors now?
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Well on second thought I figured it was unfair to go there. But maybe it wasn't.
Why because I called it an asinine comment? Do you go through life thinking any boycott, strike, protest is worthless and we should just let things happen and people should unconditionally love their company, police, the rule of law, etc etc etc. I don't and it has nothing to do with self importance as you seem to make it out to be.
If you think it's such a small deal then why do it? What's the function? Your logic is flawed if you are arguing for it's impact and on the other hand that it is small potatoes.
I think it would be loud enough to get the point across to people who have insulated themselves from negative feedback and while it would be an embarrassing blemish it would be out of mind in a week. It's not exactly the two gang rapes the 2011 team did.
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I think we underestimate the arrogance of coaches. I could see many coaches thinking to themselves that they can do a much better job than Wojo currently is.
Some might be relieved that the tipping point is 6 years of no tournament wins as a pretty long leash for fans.
It’s not like fans are upset with a coach that went to a Sweet Sixteen a few years ago and has a conference title or two. The list of accomplishments is pretty short. It’s not like we are calling for changes due to one bad season. It’s been a pretty underwhelming 7 year stretch.
Scrambled Eggs had a nice discussion and brought up something along the lines of would people even consider MU a top 30 program at the moment. I can’t see how they would based on the last 7 years.
Totally agree with your first paragraph. I respect TAMU's opinion on just about everything, but I think he underestimates the tremendous egos these folks have. And I don't say that in a negative way; when you are in a profession like this, you have to think you can move mountains.
When was the last time Marquette ever has hired a proven, NCAA-tournament-game-winning coach with no skeletons in his closet? Answer: Never. So the notion that a boycott would scare away somebody like that ... he ain't coming here anyway. And if he's scared by that challenge, I don't want him.
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When was the last time Marquette ever has hired a proven, NCAA-tournament-game-winning coach with no skeletons in his closet? Answer: Never. So the notion that a boycott would scare away somebody like that ... he ain't coming here anyway. And if he's scared by that challenge, I don't want him.
Again, I never said anything about a candidate like you are describing. Im talking about candidates we could reasonably land.
I think coaches are a lot smarter than ego driven. We're in a new world where mid major coaches and top assistants don't jump to just any P6 job, they are comfortable waiting for the right job. If you think Forbes was in Wake Forests initial 15 calls, i think you are mistaken. That's who was willing to take the job. My prediction is that he eventually gets driven out of town too because what made him successful at ETSU is not sustainable at the high major level. I don't know what our candidate pool would look like but I know it would be smaller if we pulled some crap like that.
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Well, for what it is worth (nothing), I won't be watching tonight's game. I don't get CBS Sports Network and even though I signed up for a trial last time we played on that channel, it is too much bother for what I have seen so far. Good Luck Warriors.
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For whatever it's worth, I sent an email to the AD's office today. If there are other folks to email, I'd do that but at least it's something. I agree with the sentiment that if you're dissatisfied with the direction of the program, do something, however small it may be, so folks in the athletic department know.
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Again, I never said anything about a candidate like you are describing. Im talking about candidates we could reasonably land.
I think coaches are a lot smarter than ego driven. We're in a new world where mid major coaches and top assistants don't jump to just any P6 job, they are comfortable waiting for the right job. If you think Forbes was in Wake Forests initial 15 calls, i think you are mistaken. That's who was willing to take the job. My prediction is that he eventually gets driven out of town too because what made him successful at ETSU is not sustainable at the high major level. I don't know what our candidate pool would look like but I know it would be smaller if we pulled some crap like that.
How do you think coaches who might be interested in our job view it when fans chant, “Wojo sucks!”?
Would you even want us to hire a guy who would be intimidated by that?
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For whatever it's worth, I sent an email to the AD's office today. If there are other folks to email, I'd do that but at least it's something. I agree with the sentiment that if you're dissatisfied with the direction of the program, do something, however small it may be, so folks in the athletic department know.
Let us know if you get a response.
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How do you think coaches who might be interested in our job view it when fans chant, “Wojo sucks!”?
Would you even want us to hire a guy who would be intimidated by that?
Who said anything about the candidate being intimidated?
If Wojo gets fired at the end of a bad season, the narrative is "he didn't live up to expectations so he was fired."
If Wojo gets fired after the fans organize some sort of boycott or walk out, that's national news and the narrative is "the fans made a spectacle so he was fired" regardless of the performance on the court.
One of those means the schools has expectations and will fire a coach that doesn't meet them. The other means the school doesn't have their coach's back and will give into a mob of angry fans.
This isn't about a candidate being intimidated by angry fans. Every fanbase has that. Its about their faith in their perspective supervisors.
That, plus it would be used as a negative recruiting tool for years. This idea can only hurt the program. But like we agree, it will never happen so we're just having a friendly debate on theoreticals
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Who said anything about the candidate being intimidated?
If Wojo gets fired at the end of a bad season, the narrative is "he didn't live up to expectations so he was fired."
If Wojo gets fired after the fans organize some sort of boycott or walk out, that's national news and the narrative is "the fans made a spectacle so he was fired" regardless of the performance on the court.
One of those means the schools has expectations and will fire a coach that doesn't meet them. The other means the school doesn't have their coach's back and will give into a mob of angry fans.
This isn't about a candidate being intimidated by angry fans. Every fanbase has that. Its about their faith in their perspective supervisors.
That, plus it would be used as a negative recruiting tool for years. This idea can only hurt the program. But like we agree, it will never happen so we're just having a friendly debate on theoreticals
Indeed. Have a good one, my friend. Hopefully, we'll both like the result of tonight's game!
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Who said anything about the candidate being intimidated?
If Wojo gets fired at the end of a bad season, the narrative is "he didn't live up to expectations so he was fired."
If Wojo gets fired after the fans organize some sort of boycott or walk out, that's national news and the narrative is "the fans made a spectacle so he was fired" regardless of the performance on the court.
One of those means the schools has expectations and will fire a coach that doesn't meet them. The other means the school doesn't have their coach's back and will give into a mob of angry fans.
This isn't about a candidate being intimidated by angry fans. Every fanbase has that. Its about their faith in their perspective supervisors.
That, plus it would be used as a negative recruiting tool for years. This idea can only hurt the program. But like we agree, it will never happen so we're just having a friendly debate on theoreticals
Like KY fans did to Tubbs and Wake fans did to Bzdelik?
I don't recall ever hearing any lasting negative blow back in those 2 cases.
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Like KY fans did to Tubbs and Wake fans did to Bzdelik?
I don't recall ever hearing any lasting negative blow back in those 2 cases.
I honestly don't recall any boycotts or walk outs associated with either coach. Can you provide a link? I remember the "for sale sign" gimmick with Tubby.
But in case there was and I just missed it....both programs followed up those coaches by hiring even less successful coaches to replace them. Maybe there was blowback.
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I honestly don't recall any boycotts or walk outs associated with either coach. Can you provide a link? I remember the "for sale sign" gimmick with Tubby.
But in case there was and I just missed it....both programs followed up those coaches by hiring even less successful coaches to replace them. Maybe there was blowback.
KY was just fans putting his house up for sale AFAIK, I believe Wake fans took out billboards and besides bitching on Wake scoop, booed him etc.
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KY was just fans putting his house up for sale AFAIK, I believe Wake fans took out billboards and besides bitching on Wake scoop, booed him etc.
Yeah, that's not the same thing as what's being suggested
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If we boycott next year's UALR, will anyone notice?
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Well, for what it is worth (nothing), I won't be watching tonight's game. I don't get CBS Sports Network and even though I signed up for a trial last time we played on that channel, it is too much bother for what I have seen so far. Good Luck Warriors.
How did the game go? Did I miss anything?
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Nothin' at all, hey?
Take it too da streets.
#stormzilber