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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on January 14, 2021, 10:43:31 AM
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Georgetown has gone on pause with a positive COVID test. Their Jan 20 game with Marquette has been postponed.
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According to ESPN:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/269
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Is this where we play Villanova? I did not look at Villanova's schedule to see if they have an opening.
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I hope not.. scheduled to play the worst team in the conference.....instead you get to play the best team in the conference!
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Is this where we play Villanova? I did not look at Villanova's schedule to see if they have an opening.
Nova is scheduled to play the Hall on the 19th. Playing them the next night might be our only shot at beating them.
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Nova is scheduled to play the Hall on the 19th. Playing them the next night might be our only shot at beating them.
I'm not sure we'd have much chance if we played them in the second half of a double header.
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I'm not sure we'd have much chance if we played them in the second half of a double header.
We’d have a good shot if the team that beat the rodents and Creighton shows up.
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We’d have a good shot if the team that beat the rodents and Creighton shows up.
Which Wojo team has improved as the season goes on?
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We’d have a good shot if the team that beat the rodents and Creighton shows up.
Or if Nova shows up like the Badgers and Creighton did when we played them.
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Which Wojo team has improved as the season goes on?
2016-17 and 2017-18.
2 for 6. It could happen.
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Which Wojo team has improved as the season goes on?
Last season, from Jan. 15 to Feb. 9, Wojo's team went 6-1, and our only loss was at No. 13 Butler in OT. That stretch of being IMPROVED AS THE SEASON WENT ON is what would have gotten us into the NCAAs had the season not ended early. Given that today is Jan. 14, I'd say it's not out of the question that this team could go on a similar hot streak.
Are you going to claim that Wojo's 2018-19 team that started 3-2 but then went 20-2 didn't improve throughout the season?
Wojo's 2017-18 team won 4 of its last 5 regular-season games and then its first BET game but, alas, it had dug itself too much of a hole earlier in the season. But that team improved as the season went on.
Wojo's 2016-17 team won 4 of its last 5 regular-season games to lock up an NCAA tourney bid. That team improved as the season went on.
You know, I'm no longer a gung-ho Pro-Jo. I've been quite critical of him this season. But if you're gonna go full-on NOJO, at least know what you're talking about.
There are plenty of things to criticize him for -- Plenty! -- without making crud up.
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Last season, from Jan. 15 to Feb. 9, Wojo's team went 6-1, and our only loss was at No. 13 Butler in OT. That stretch of being IMPROVED AS THE SEASON WENT ON is what would have gotten us into the NCAAs had the season not ended early. Given that today is Jan. 14, I'd say it's not out of the question that this team could go on a similar hot streak.
Are you going to claim that Wojo's 2018-19 team that started 3-2 but then went 20-2 didn't improve throughout the season?
Wojo's 2017-18 team won 4 of its last 5 regular-season games and then its first BET game but, alas, it had dug itself too much of a hole earlier in the season. But that team improved as the season went on.
Wojo's 2016-17 team won 4 of its last 5 regular-season games to lock up an NCAA tourney bid. That team improved as the season went on.
You know, I'm no longer a gung-ho Pro-Jo. I've been quite critical of him this season. But if you're gonna go full-on NOJO, at least know what you're talking about.
There are plenty of things to criticize him for -- Plenty! -- without making crud up.
Did we play any games after Feb 9th last season?
What happened at the end of the year in 18/19?
I will give you 2017. There were must win games at the end of the year and we pulled through. That’s the exception, not the norm.
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Well, you can't really improve on a 21-2 run when your top 3 players are dinged up and second and third best players are unhappy with the first team all American. (fill in your version of the Hausers saga here) But yes, 1-6 after 23-4 is frustrating.
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Well, you can't really improve on a 21-2 run when your top 3 players are dinged up and second and third best players are (fill in your version of the Hausers saga here) unhappy. But yes, 1-6 after 23-4 is frustrating.
Hard to improve on 21-2 but, as we all know, it can all spectacularly fall apart, which means the team doesn’t improve down the stretch.
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Did we play any games after Feb 9th last season?
What happened at the end of the year in 18/19?
I will give you 2017. There were must win games at the end of the year and we pulled through. That’s the exception, not the norm.
You are moving the goalposts.
You didn't say they struggled down the stretch the last two seasons. You said, on Jan. 14, "Which Wojo team has improved as the season goes on?"
The season goes on from here. And Wojo's teams actually have consistently improved from this point. The last two seasons, we definitely improved as the season went on.
Then, unfortunately, the last two years we hit a wall for whatever reason -- bad coaching, injuries, player mutinies, whatevs -- and got worse down the stretch.
It's OK to admit you were wrong and that you were taking a cheap shot at Wojo because ... well ... he's Wojo. Go ahead. It's OK. We're all wrong occasionally, and you definitely were this time.
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You are moving the goalposts.
You didn't say they struggled down the stretch the last two seasons. You said, on Jan. 14, "Which Wojo team has improved as the season goes on?"
The season goes on from here. And Wojo's teams actually have consistently improved from this point. The last two seasons, we definitely improved as the season went on.
Then, unfortunately, the last two years we hit a wall for whatever reason -- bad coaching, injuries, player mutinies, whatevs -- and got worse down the stretch.
It's OK to admit you were wrong and that you were taking a cheap shot at Wojo because ... well ... he's Wojo. Go ahead. It's OK. We're all wrong occasionally, and you definitely were this time.
I’m moving the goalposts and you’re cherry picking stretches of games which don’t represent the whole of the story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I’m moving the goalposts and you’re cherry picking stretches of games which don’t represent the whole of the story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Again...
In 16-17 we won 4 of 5 to close the regular season.
In 17-18 we won 5 of 7 to close the regular season.
Both those teams improved towards the end of the season.
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I’m moving the goalposts and you’re cherry picking stretches of games which don’t represent the whole of the story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Look man, you said Wojo's teams don't improve as the season goes on, and I showed you examples of four straight seasons in which that wasn't true.
I accept your apology.
Again...
In 16-17 we won 4 of 5 to close the regular season.
In 17-18 we won 5 of 7 to close the regular season.
Both those teams improved towards the end of the season.
He wasn't even saying the end of the season. He was saying as the season goes on. I happen to think - and facts happen to support - that starting 3-2 and then going 20-2 over the next three months is a team that improved as the season went on.
But if one needs to rip on Wojo, no matter what - rather than focusing on the many legit things to rip him for - I guess a 20-2 stretch from November to February wasn't improvement as the season went on.
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Look man, you said Wojo's teams don't improve as the season goes on, and I showed you examples of four straight seasons in which that wasn't true.
I accept your apology.
He wasn't even saying the end of the season. He was saying as the season goes on. I happen to think - and facts happen to support - that starting 3-2 and then going 20-2 over the next three months is a team that improved as the season went on.
But if one needs to rip on Wojo, no matter what - rather than focusing on the many legit things to rip him for - I guess a 20-2 stretch from November to February wasn't improvement as the season went on.
It’s my opinion the team played to their high capabilities during the 20-2 stretch and failed spectacularly in the last month of the season.
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It’s my opinion the team played to their high capabilities during the 20-2 stretch and failed spectacularly in the last month of the season.
OK
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Well, you can't really improve on a 21-2 run when your top 3 players are dinged up and second and third best players are unhappy with the first team all American. (fill in your version of the Hausers saga here) But yes, 1-6 after 23-4 is frustrating.
Man, I had not heard “23-4” since Chico. Nice.
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Was the team 23-4?
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I think there's an alternate theory to 2018-19, and that is Marquette never improved, they just played to their level for 27 games, then Markus got hurt and it fell out. That the 3-2 team and the 20-2 team were the same team, the only difference was the level of competition & the location of the games.
Marquette lost on the road to kenpom #52 Indiana. It's easy to think they would've won that game in January, but against top-60 teams on the road, they went 1-3 with the only win being the improbable overtime win at Creighton.
Against tourney teams, they were 0-3 on the road. Their 6 road wins were all against Big East teams that missed the tourney in an uncharacteristically weak season for the league.
The Kansas game was a neutral court loss to the #17 team in kenpom. We only played one other top-20 kenpom team, the Wisconsin win at home in overtime.
It always stood out to me how Marquette, even at their best, never really moved the computer rankings. They were between 25-35 pretty much the whole season, whether winning or losing. Even their final ranking of 33 was right there.
Maybe the reality is we were just never that good, buoyed by a weak Big East, and couldn't see it through the Blue & Gold beer goggles. I wrote about the hallmarks of us being overrated in January of that year. We just didn't want to see it.
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There are windows to play these games. We'll see if it is important to the conference to get the games in.
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Xavier vs UCONN cancelled Wednesday due to Xavier. Would be a failure on the BE part if MU doesn’t go to UCONN Wednesday instead.
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Xavier vs UCONN cancelled Wednesday due to Xavier. Would be a failure on the BE part if MU doesn’t go to UCONN Wednesday instead.
Seems like an easy fix
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I’m moving the goalposts and you’re cherry picking stretches of games which don’t represent the whole of the story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
One of my favorite things is when someone is proven wrong by another poster after making an inaccurate statement. One of my least favorite things is people who can't admit when they were wrong.
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One of my favorite things is when someone is proven wrong by another poster after making an inaccurate statement. One of my least favorite things is people who can't admit when they were wrong.
My memory has been clouded with so much bad basketball over the last seven years, I suppose it’s hard to differentiate at what points of the year in multiple different seasons it manifests most.
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I think there's an alternate theory to 2018-19, and that is Marquette never improved, they just played to their level for 27 games, then Markus got hurt and it fell out. That the 3-2 team and the 20-2 team were the same team, the only difference was the level of competition & the location of the games.
Marquette lost on the road to kenpom #52 Indiana. It's easy to think they would've won that game in January, but against top-60 teams on the road, they went 1-3 with the only win being the improbable overtime win at Creighton.
Against tourney teams, they were 0-3 on the road. Their 6 road wins were all against Big East teams that missed the tourney in an uncharacteristically weak season for the league.
The Kansas game was a neutral court loss to the #17 team in kenpom. We only played one other top-20 kenpom team, the Wisconsin win at home in overtime.
It always stood out to me how Marquette, even at their best, never really moved the computer rankings. They were between 25-35 pretty much the whole season, whether winning or losing. Even their final ranking of 33 was right there.
Maybe the reality is we were just never that good, buoyed by a weak Big East, and couldn't see it through the Blue & Gold beer goggles. I wrote about the hallmarks of us being overrated in January of that year. We just didn't want to see it.
Hmmm.
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Xavier vs UCONN cancelled Wednesday due to Xavier. Would be a failure on the BE part if MU doesn’t go to UCONN Wednesday instead.
ESPN says that game is still happening??
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ESPN says that game is still happening??
So does Mike Broeker.
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Unless St. John's is willing to fly to Milwaukee two days after playing at UConn or one of Hall, Nova, Butler, or DePaul is willing to play games on back to back days, no game will be switched to Wednesday to fill the vacant slot.
Saint John's actually has 9 days between games so it's not the craziest idea. Still seems like a tight turnaround
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This would be an interesting time to try to use that buy game slot Marquette has banked. Siena would be possible for Tuesday, though might be too short of notice. Later in the year, Drake would be a smart add. Favored in all remaining games, but the MVC isn't getting two bids without adding some quality wins.
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Have we been in talks with Drake? I like that idea.
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Well, you can't really improve on a 21-2 run when your top 3 players are dinged up and second and third best players are unhappy with the first team all American. (fill in your version of the Hausers saga here) But yes, 1-6 after 23-4 is frustrating.
Yes it is. No question it is a late season melt down.
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Have we been in talks with Drake? I like that idea.
No idea, but it would be smart. We would really benefit adding a Q1/2 game, especially a win, while they need Q1 opportunities to have any at-large shot. They could win out and if they lose to Loyola in Arch Madness, they're out.
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This would be an interesting time to try to use that buy game slot Marquette has banked. Siena would be possible for Tuesday, though might be too short of notice. Later in the year, Drake would be a smart add. Favored in all remaining games, but the MVC isn't getting two bids without adding some quality wins.
We won’t need to beat a Drake team to get in the tournament—our conference record will determine that.
A loss to Drake maybe the tipping point to keep us out (assuming similar parameters as years past).
If that’s the case, I would pass on Drake. I fail to see how this would be a smart add.
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We won’t need to beat a Drake team to get in the tournament—our conference record will determine that.
Not necessarily the case. 6 of our remaining 10 games can only hurt our resume. If we go 6-4 and don't get any more quality wins, I'm not convinced that would be enough.
Add a NET darling like Drake or Colgate, put another Q1 win on the resume, then you feel secure. I'm not at all convinced that two good wins with no other substance on the resume will be enough. The Big East just isn't good enough this year.
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We won’t need to beat a Drake team to get in the tournament—our conference record will determine that.
A loss to Drake maybe the tipping point to keep us out (assuming similar parameters as years past).
If that’s the case, I would pass on Drake. I fail to see how this would be a smart add.
Hate the Drake!
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Not necessarily the case. 6 of our remaining 10 games can only hurt our resume. If we go 6-4 and don't get any more quality wins, I'm not convinced that would be enough.
Add a NET darling like Drake or Colgate, put another Q1 win on the resume, then you feel secure. I'm not at all convinced that two good wins with no other substance on the resume will be enough. The Big East just isn't good enough this year.
5 of our remaining games can only hurt, I'm not sure which game your pegging as the 6th. At Providence and Xavier at home are both Q2A games at the moment and I think when all is said and done at Providence will be a Q1B game.
I also think when they get more games, at Butler and at DePaul will end up being Q2 wins. Will that be enough? I don't know. But comparing Marquette's resume to the resumes of some of the teams considered on the right side of the bubble, I think the only big difference is the overall win record. If we win the games we are supposed, and they lose some more games as their schedules get tougher, I could see us getting in with just winning the games we're supposed to.
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UConn-Xavier is off.
The league has to start rescheduling games to keep the healthy teams playing and open space up later in the season. Marquette and UConn would be a good start.
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Would a loss to Drake improve our position in the eyes of the committee?
*Assuming 10-8 in conference, with CU and UW wins.
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UConn-Xavier is off.
The league has to start rescheduling games to keep the healthy teams playing and open space up later in the season. Marquette and UConn would be a good start.
This was known almost a week ago. The league was not proactive enough in getting this done (up until this point anyway). It’s looking like no cancelled games will be rescheduled.
If they aren’t going to make teams do back to backs, then when are they going to get the games in?
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Is the current plan for the Gtown and Nova games to be rescheduled or just cancelled?
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere. Pretty checked out this season. Watch the games, but interest is at an all time low and hardly come around here. Sad, really.
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Is the current plan for the Gtown and Nova games to be rescheduled or just cancelled?
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere. Pretty checked out this season. Watch the games, but interest is at an all time low and hardly come around here. Sad, really.
So far none of the postponed BE games have been rescheduled. A couple of coaches, including Wojo have referenced "trying to get a game" during their off weeks in press conferences but none seemed to have come to fruition. I've got to imagine that the logistics, specifically with televising the games, has to be difficult.
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So far none of the postponed BE games have been rescheduled. A couple of coaches, including Wojo have referenced "trying to get a game" during their off weeks in press conferences but none seemed to have come to fruition. I've got to imagine that the logistics, specifically with televising the games, has to be difficult.
I get that the logistical issues are there, but the BE seems to be WAY behind the other conferences at adjusting on the fly. All the other major conferences have rescheduled at least a few already; examples below:
https://theacc.com/news/2021/1/24/acc-announces-mens-basketball-schedule-changes.aspx
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2021/01/26/big-ten-announces-schedule-changes-michigan-state-university-basketball/4270543001/
https://kuathletics.com/big-12-announces-kansas-mens-basketball-schedule-changes/
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-announces-more-postponements-changes-to-basketball-schedule/
https://cubuffs.com/news/2021/1/6/buffs-pac-12-announce-mens-basketball-schedule-changes.aspx
Either Val is sleeping on the job, or the BE Presidents and ADs have decided it isn't worth the hassle.
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I get that the logistical issues are there, but the BE seems to be WAY behind the other conferences at adjusting on the fly. All the other major conferences have rescheduled at least a few already; examples below:
Either Val is sleeping on the job, or the BE Presidents and ADs have decided it isn't worth the hassle.
Maybe instead of the BET have all teams come to MSG to play all of the postponed games during those days.
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Maybe instead of the BET have all teams come to MSG to play all of the postponed games during those days.
Or have a losers' bracket in the BET. Still can crown a champ while advancing the resume of the conference bubble teams.
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I get that the logistical issues are there, but the BE seems to be WAY behind the other conferences at adjusting on the fly. All the other major conferences have rescheduled at least a few already; examples below:
https://theacc.com/news/2021/1/24/acc-announces-mens-basketball-schedule-changes.aspx
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2021/01/26/big-ten-announces-schedule-changes-michigan-state-university-basketball/4270543001/
https://kuathletics.com/big-12-announces-kansas-mens-basketball-schedule-changes/
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-announces-more-postponements-changes-to-basketball-schedule/
https://cubuffs.com/news/2021/1/6/buffs-pac-12-announce-mens-basketball-schedule-changes.aspx
Either Val is sleeping on the job, or the BE Presidents and ADs have decided it isn't worth the hassle.
I don't know this, but I'd wonder if its because we are tied to Fox. The ESPN networks can stick rescheduled games on ESPN3 and the PAC12 Network would likely have an easier time fitting in rescheduled games. Fox doesn't have an ESPN3 equivalent and has more national commitments than the PAC12 Network.
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Maybe instead of the BET have all teams come to MSG to play all of the postponed games during those days.
Nova will be worn out after making up what, 6 games?
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FS1 could use the games, even with the B1G, MWC & Pac-12. With no fans, there is always slots at the 4pm window. There is also FS2. So, not sure why the Big East looks to be sleeping at the wheel.
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So far none of the postponed BE games have been rescheduled. A couple of coaches, including Wojo have referenced "trying to get a game" during their off weeks in press conferences but none seemed to have come to fruition. I've got to imagine that the logistics, specifically with televising the games, has to be difficult.
Actually, the Villanova/UConn game was rescheduled from January 15 to 28, but now that rescheduled game is also postponed. And St John's just played Utah Valley this past weekend in a game that was put together on short notice. It's been rare, but they have been making some effort.
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Nova still has 4 postponed games that have yet to be rescheduled. Looking at Nova’s schedule and how dates and home vs. way games fall, it’s rather unlikely that they can reschedule these games unless that’s did a back to back with the same opponent.
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Nova still has 4 postponed games that have yet to be rescheduled. Looking at Nova’s schedule and how dates and home vs. way games fall, it’s rather unlikely that they can reschedule these games unless that’s did a back to back with the same opponent.
Maybe the coaches / players would hate it. But I absolutely love the idea of a NCAA hoops double header! Take a couple hour break and then give the losing team an immediate chance for redemption.