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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Milkshakes on January 13, 2021, 08:07:59 PM
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Thoughts? I would have said Theo for sure before the season and sure wouldn’t mind if he stays. Given our Freshman though I think I would lean Koby.
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I don’t think as many players nationally will return for another year as some believe. I think that believed trend will apply to MUBB as well.
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Thoughts? I would have said Theo for sure before the season and sure wouldn’t mind if he stays. Given our Freshman though I think I would lean Koby.
Does Koby want to spend a 6th year in college?
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O'Tule
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Before the season started, I would have said Theo without hesitation. As the season has progressed however, I have been impressed with Koby’s confidence and ability to lead the team. I also hesitate about Theo’s tendency toward injuries. The kid is tough as nails, but he appears to be dealing with his second major injury in two years.
I will be thrilled if either or both (or all three) of them return, but if I had to choose one, I think I would go with Koby.
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As frustrating as he can be at times, Koby is clearly the best player in that group. He gets my vote.
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As frustrating as he can be at times, Koby is clearly the best player in that group. He gets my vote.
Need Cain, as they do not have a wing player in the program as of today. Akanno so far has not panned out and Perez is to slow to play
small forward. I have seen enough of the other 2, Theo has great character but I do not see him getting much better, to mechanical, and Koby
should go to Europe. There will be an opening for one of the freshman or a transfer. Do not see Torrence as a starter, ever. Holes need to be
filled but there is room for a few more players. Perez at this time might be the starting 2 guard next year. Elliott has 2 many weaknesses in his game.
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Need Cain, as they do not have a wing player in the program as of today. Akanno so far has not panned out and Perez is to slow to play
small forward. I have seen enough of the other 2, Theo has great character but I do not see him getting much better, to mechanical, and Koby
should go to Europe. There will be an opening for one of the freshman or a transfer. Do not see Torrence as a starter, ever. Holes need to be
filled but there is room for a few more players. Perez at this time might be the starting 2 guard next year. Elliott has 2 many weaknesses in his game.
I agree that we don’t have a capable SF on the roster or in the pipeline. I don’t see much in the way of a 2G either. If Cain and/or Koby leave, I look for Wojo to plug the gap(s) with transfers.
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Does Koby want to spend a 6th year in college?
Worked for Senator John Blutarski
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Does Koby want to spend a 6th year in college?
thats not the question
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thats not the question
Yes, I know, you are correct.
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I voted for Koby. Assuming Garcia and Lewis are both here next year, Theo would be a little extra with Aidoo coming in. I think people are overestimating the Cain and Elliott situation...would you have stayed a whole extra year in college just because your buddy had another year left?
That said, no freaking way Koby comes back. He'll be in Europe or the G-League next year. I will say that he's grown on me throughout his time at MU. Love his passion and intensity, and he plays with a chip on his shoulder. He's the most "Buzz" player Wojo's recruited.
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Koby is by far the most clutch player in the wojo era. He’s 100% the guy you want taking the last shot and I think that trait of his will be a big factor the rest of the way. That said, this is his final go around and no way he is back. Hard to say on the other two but would welcome either back as they seem like team first guys. I think we are thinner at Kobys position (and guard in general) than many realize so it would be nice to have him back as well.
My prediction: all three are gone. College season too much of a grind for it to be worth it. Especially if COVID situation still looking grim heading into spring.
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What we need and who is the best player are two different questions...no doubt Theo needs to come back.
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Maybe I’m wrong, but some of the responses give me the sense that some people are voting for the senior they think is most likely to come back, instead of the one they would most want to come back. Totally different questions, quite likely with different answers.
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Koby is by far the most clutch player in the wojo era. He’s 100% the guy you want taking the last shot and I think that trait of his will be a big factor the rest of the way. That said, this is his final go around and no way he is back. Hard to say on the other two but would welcome either back as they seem like team first guys. I think we are thinner at Kobys position (and guard in general) than many realize so it would be nice to have him back as well.
My prediction: all three are gone. College season too much of a grind for it to be worth it. Especially if COVID situation still looking grim heading into spring.
I like Koby a lot, but I want the ball in DJ's hands when we need a play to win.
I agree with your prediction.
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Do not believe answering this question helps teaming building or the confidence of 2 of the 3 players.
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Wade
I wonder how a 38 year old DWade would fare. Would he dominate or be a step slow on kids half his age?
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He's be the old dude at the pick up game. Equal parts brilliant and infuriating.
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Wade
I wonder how a 38 year old DWade would fare. Would he dominate or be a step slow on kids half his age?
Dominate
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I don’t think any of them come back and probably for the better of all parties. Would rather we hit the transfer market aggressively and find 2 guys who excel at one thing.
For center, someone who is all D, rebounding and good passer. With the talent in the front court at the 3–4 positions we don’t need points from our 5. Would be nice if Lewis can improve lateral quickness to slide him into the 3 with DG at the 4 next year.
For back court, long rangey sharp shooter (Weisscamp (sp?)) type player. If everyone who is not senior comes back and shows some development with those two additional pieces I think we’ll be in a great spot.
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I'd argue much depends on a few things:
1) How likely is it that any of these three will have a shot at the "show?"
2) What's the opportunity in Europe/Asia for each?
3) Will our team be incrementally better in 2021-2022 than it is today -- meaning, will we have a shot to go deep in the NCAA next year?
My view about (1) is that none of the three have a more than immaterial shot at the NBA. I would expect someone might take a flyer on Theo, the way the Denver Nuggets did on Markus. To expect Theo to be in the show for more than a cup of coffee is being wildly optimistic. I love Theo and when he's on, he's one my my absolute favorite members of this team. He's a joy to watch. But....
On (2), certainly Theo and Koby will play overseas. I'd expect Jamal will as well, though Koby and Theo have a better prognosis of making big dollars.
On (3), I'm not optimistic. Symir and Dexter probably aren't vital cogs in our team (they were recruited over for a reason!). I'll bet at least one will transfer out of our program, especially given that Stevie Mitchell and Kameron Jones are coming next year. I expect DJ will be back and likely will team with Greg or, possibly, Jones or Mitchell or a transfer. Both Justin and Dawson will be much improved but if we do not find our shooting stroke between now and October, we're barely over .500 in our conference next year. A deep run in the NCAA? Hardly likely unless things improve dramatically. Or Coach Wojo drinks the magic potion and begins coaching at a level we haven't seen up to now.
The emotional or educational reasons (i.e., completing a Master's?) for coming back do not outweigh the financial opportunity associated with professional basketball. I might feel differently if and only if we were on the verge of something special, such as a Final Four run. Does anyone out there see this as a reasonable or even remote possibility for the 2021-2022 basketball team?
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I'd argue much depends on a few things:
1) How likely is it that any of these three will have a shot at the "show?"
2) What's the opportunity in Europe/Asia for each?
3) Will our team be incrementally better in 2021-2022 than it is today -- meaning, will we have a shot to go deep in the NCAA next year?
My view about (1) is that none of the three have a more than immaterial shot at the NBA. I would expect someone might take a flyer on Theo, the way the Denver Nuggets did on Markus. To expect Theo to be in the show for more than a cup of coffee is being wildly optimistic. I love Theo and when he's on, he's one my my absolute favorite members of this team. He's a joy to watch. But..
On (2), certainly Theo and Koby will play overseas. I'd expect Jamal will as well, though Koby and Theo have a better prognosis of making big dollars.
On (3), I'm not optimistic. Symir and Dexter probably aren't vital cogs in our team (they were recruited over for a reason!). I'll bet at least one will transfer out of our program, especially given that Stevie Mitchell and Kameron Jones are coming next year. I expect DJ will be back and likely will team with Greg or, possibly, Jones or Mitchell or a transfer. Both Justin and Dawson will be much improved but if we do not find our shooting stroke between now and October, we're barely over .500 in our conference next year. A deep run in the NCAA? Hardly likely unless things improve dramatically. Or Coach Wojo drinks the magic potion and begins coaching at a level we haven't seen up to now.
The emotional or educational reasons (i.e., completing a Master's?) for coming back do not outweigh the financial opportunity associated with professional basketball. I might feel differently if and only if we were on the verge of something special, such as a Final Four run. Does anyone out there see this as a reasonable or even remote possibility for the 2021-2022 basketball team?
Next years team depends a transfer or two who can play. Not sure what to expect from freshman, but 2 may start if transfers are not picked up. Transfers will see
great opportunity to start at the 2 and the wing. So there is hope. Even another big at the center position as I did watch Aidoo play, not sure if he is physically strong
enough at this time. Still has a 10 months to put on some weight and strength. Right now Wojo has 3 solid Big East players on the roster, the rest are back-ups.
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Next years team depends a transfer or two who can play. Not sure what to expect from freshman, but 2 may start if transfers are not picked up. Transfers will see
great opportunity to start at the 2 and the wing. So there is hope. Even another big at the center position as I did watch Aidoo play, not sure if he is physically strong
enough at this time. Still has a 10 months to put on some weight and strength. Right now Wojo has 3 solid Big East players on the roster, the rest are back-ups.
Who are the three? Id say there's four on this team.
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Who are the three? Id say there's four on this team.
Lewis, Dawson and DJ, for next year.
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Lewis, Dawson and DJ, for next year.
Oh right for next year my bad. Well we all liked what we saw in brief time from Osa against UCLA so I'm not sure I'd write him off yet. But agree there's nothing I've seen to suggest Akanno, Torrence, Elliott or Perez are ready for prime time. Which is sad because I really had high hopes for Torrence. Not convinced any of the recruits are going to be ready right out the gates either
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I wouldn't be quick to say that there are only X number of players on this team and the rest are backups. It could be true, or one of those backups could develop into a solid player or even a stud. Who would have thought based on Sacar's 1.1 points, 0.4 rebounds, and 0.1 assists a game as a freshman that he would one day be the second best player on an NCAAT team? I certainly don't expect every backup to have Sacar like development but I don't dismiss them either.
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Giving up on first or second year players is dumb.
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Giving up on first or second year players is dumb.
Yep can't argue with that. I'd like to see more as the season moves forward from Torrence and or Akanno to give me more hope though. Oso is blocked and won't get a ton of time this season.
There's playing time available for Sy and Dex but neither have taken advantage of the opportunity.
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1 Theo
1a Koby
3 Cain
Don't assume all three of Garcia, Carton & Lewis will be back.
The transfer portal will be bubbling. Easier to find a good wing than a good big man.
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They would all help. We don't really have another Cain and his athleticism is fun to watch, so I would like him back, but I voted Koby because personally he is my favorite of the three.
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Giving up on first or second year players is dumb.
No way am I giving up on those players, but not sure at this point what they bring to the table. Oso and Akanno I have hope for, Torrence not so sure,
Elliott is what he is. Perez no idea. Lots of question marks if you want a better team next year, maybe worse.
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No way am I giving up on those players, but not sure at this point what they bring to the table. Oso and Akanno I have hope for, Torrence not so sure,
Torrence is playing. Oso and Akanno are not.
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Torrence is playing. Oso and Akanno are not.
Torrence might be playing, but what does he bring to the table right now, not much. Future, not sure, not quick enough, no jump shot, only a weak set shot,
can not go to the hole because he has no hops, am I missing something? If so, tell me.
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Torrence is playing. Oso and Akanno are not.
There's a need for Torrence. There's not really one for Oso so jury can still be out on him. Clearly not better than Justin John or Dawson right now. But that doesn't mean it's signed and sealed
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I’d like to see Cain back. I feel the team will have a need for his game. I think Oso will see PT next season, but I have a hunch Sy leaves. Garcia, Lewis, Oso, ‘Doo...not bad on the front line. DJ, Elliott, add-in a transfer plus just maybe one of the freshmen guards are decent, then Cain comes back? Not bad...not taking into account the HC, but I digress.
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Torrence might be playing, but what does he bring to the table right now, not much. Future, not sure, not quick enough, no jump shot, only a weak set shot,
can not go to the hole because he has no hops, am I missing something? If so, tell me.
Nothing. But I don't know why you have hope for Oso or Dex though other than they are a big unknown.
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I voted Theo, but it was a tough choice. We have two guards coming in and if Koby stayed we might see a current guard transfer out. I went with Theo, because he would help Aidoo develop.
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Wade
I wonder how a 38 year old DWade would fare. Would he dominate or be a step slow on kids half his age?
Only ones giving Wade a hard time at even 40 would be people selected to go on the top 10.
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Per Wojo from his radio show, none of the seniors are coming back. Basically said the pretty much none of the seniors in high level conferences will stay around an extra year.
Also, expect Oso to make huge improvements by the start of next year.
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Per Wojo from his radio show, none of the seniors are coming back. Basically said the pretty much none of the seniors in high level conferences will stay around an extra year.
So Bucky is going to return their entire team then?
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So Bucky is going to return their entire team then?
average age 33😂
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I think Theo could mentor (and relieve) Aidoo.
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average age 33😂
At a certain point they're going to be recruiting the players kids while the parents are still on the team.
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Zero, adios, hey?
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Senior day has a different meaning in Buckyland.
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In my middle age, I would kill for a few extra years of undergrad. My senior year, though, I couldn't wait to graduate. The value of a rear view mirror, hey?
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Rough stretch for Jamal.
In the 3 games since he had his career day vs GT, he has averaged 7.3 pts on .333 from the floor (including .222 from 3). Also, 14 reb, 2 ast, 5 TO (which seems low).
Need him to be a difference-maker for us, and here's hoping he can be again.
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Jam
I voted Theo, but it was a tough choice. We have two guards coming in and if Koby stayed we might see a current guard transfer out. I went with Theo, because he would help Aidoo develop.
Jamal Cain all day long.
This should not even be a question. A No brainer. I can understand those who said Theo but they can find another 'Big' through transfer.
DJ Carton, Greg Elliott, Jamal Cain, J. Lewis, Garcia is solid... with great depth.
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erase!
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Per Wojo from his radio show, none of the seniors are coming back. Basically said the pretty much none of the seniors in high level conferences will stay around an extra year.
Also, expect Oso to make huge improvements by the start of next year.
Well scratch anything I just said...alrighty then.
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The very very well connected best friend of my fiancé told us not to expect any of them back :(
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No way am I giving up on those players, but not sure at this point what they bring to the table. Oso and Akanno I have hope for, Torrence not so sure,
Elliott is what he is. Perez no idea. Lots of question marks if you want a better team next year, maybe worse.
What?????
THEY WONT BE "WORSE" what are you looking at???
They are only going to get better and more explosive and active on both sides of the ball. They won't be worse. Especially if there are fans and things are semi normal and you add that element to it.
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Oh right for next year my bad. Well we all liked what we saw in brief time from Osa against UCLA so I'm not sure I'd write him off yet. But agree there's nothing I've seen to suggest Akanno, Torrence, Elliott or Perez are ready for prime time. Which is sad because I really had high hopes for Torrence. Not convinced any of the recruits are going to be ready right out the gates either
Then you must be blind!
Some of you are OVERLY CRITICAL and need to open your eyes. I see contributions and potential and improvements in ALL OF THEM!
And trust me, if you know me you know I do not BS stuff if it is not there. I really like how they play for one another and how they work on their games and I see the subtle improvements every game.
After they go through a season like this, they cannot help but grow and get better and be more united and cohesive going through the ordeal of CoVid 19.
Watch and see.
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Then you must be blind!
Some of you are OVERLY CRITICAL and need to open your eyes. I see contributions and potential and improvements in ALL OF THEM!
And trust me, if you know me you know I do not BS stuff if it is not there. I really like how they play for one another and how they work on their games and I see the subtle improvements every game.
After they go through a season like this, they cannot help but grow and get better and be more united and cohesive going through the ordeal of CoVid 19.
Watch and see.
I mean maybe you could claim Elliott but really you're going to say I'm blind by writing off Torrence and Akanno this season? I'm not saying they can't grow into something, only that they don't have future star power.
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The very very well connected best friend of my fiancé told us not to expect any of them back :(
Kant stand Woj, hey?
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Then you must be blind!
Some of you are OVERLY CRITICAL and need to open your eyes. I see contributions and potential and improvements in ALL OF THEM!
And trust me, if you know me you know I do not BS stuff if it is not there. I really like how they play for one another and how they work on their games and I see the subtle improvements every game.
After they go through a season like this, they cannot help but grow and get better and be more united and cohesive going through the ordeal of CoVid 19.
Watch and see.
Not blind. Just pessimistic. Seeing everything through the prism of thinking Wojo is the worst coach in the league. Ergo, everything sucks and nobody will improve.
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Kant stand Woj, hey?
Know ewe kant
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The very very well connected best friend of my fiancé told us not to expect any of them back :(
I expect this to be the norm across the board. There will be some exceptions for sure but starting your life outside college restraints is pretty appealing.
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I don’t think as many players nationally will return for another year as some believe. I think that believed trend will apply to MUBB as well.
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I mean maybe you could claim Elliott but really you're going to say I'm blind by writing off Torrence and Akanno this season? I'm not saying they can't grow into something, only that they don't have future star power.
I get what SE is saying. Theo, Koby and Jamal have been nice players but not much more than "replacement level." Another year of experience for Lewis, Garcia and Carton IMO is going to improve this team. Probably not by by much, but IMO that's a solid core to build around for the next two years assuming they all stick around.
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I get what SE is saying. Theo, Koby and Jamal have been nice players but not much more than "replacement level." Another year of experience for Lewis, Garcia and Carton IMO is going to improve this team. Probably not by by much, but IMO that's a solid core to build around for the next two years assuming they all stick around.
I was agreeing with BC on Lewis Garcia and Carton for next year. SE's statement was that I was blind because I don't think Torrence or Akanno are going to cover Koby and Jamal's work. It's a pretty ridiculous take based on this years work from them.
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I was agreeing with BC on Lewis Garcia and Carton for next year. SE's statement was that I was blind because I don't think Torrence or Akanno are going to cover Koby and Jamal's work. It's a pretty ridiculous take based on this years work from them.
Oh I agree with that. Torrence can look the part at times, but is quite limited offensively. For all the talk we heard about Akanno over the summer, it looks like it was just that.
I wouldn't be surprised if either Kam or Stevie is ahead of both in the rotation come next year. And I wouldn't doubt that Wojo looks for a one-year transfer for the 2/3 role because I'm not sure next year's starter is on the scholarship table right now.