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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2020, 06:03:07 AM
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We should all have been vaccinated if one chose to do so by this time next year, so I would expect all fans to attend the games. I would also expect that many players will opt to come back and play. The competition will be that much better. A rematch next season between MU and UW will most likely be between the same two teams. Who would be the most likely players not to return next season on either team? I know this may be an end of season discussion but after the game last night I just wondered how exciting next season is going to be; no fake crowds, real crowds. That was the only thing missing at last nights game.
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Any of the Badgers could decide to leave if they're happy with a degree & want to get on with life, but I can see all of them returning. The only one that looked anything like a future NBA player was Davis, who'll still be at least a year away. It will be interesting to see how Gard handles his roster with 5 current freshmen and 3 incoming. Do you keep the 6 seniors all around, who (along with Wahl) basically insure no more than 1-2 of your 8 underclassmen get PT?
On the other side, I could see a few departures. Theo, Jamal, & Koby will all have pro options if they choose to go. DJ was supposedly considering the NBA Draft if his waiver was declined, while a FOY season from Garcia or Lewis could have either considering their options.
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Most of Bucky’s team is seniors ... Reuvers, Potter, Trice and Davidson. They will not be the same.
Koby, Theo and Cain are Seniors. Someone will transfer (they always do) and would not shock if a player like Garcia tries to move to the next level.
And I have not addressed incoming recruits for both teams.
So, the uniforms will say MU and Bucky but the personnel will be very different
Win now, get the vaccine now, pack Fiserv at the end of the season
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Most of Bucky’s team is seniors ... Reuvers, Potter, Trice and Davidson. They will not be the same.
You realize all of them are eligible to return for a fifth season and as noted on the broadcast, many are already taking their graduate classes, right?
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You realize all of them are eligible to return for a fifth season and as noted on the broadcast, many are already taking their graduate classes, right?
No I did not ... does that apply to our seniors too?
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No I did not ... does that apply to our seniors too?
Yes. IMO this is the primary reason why they sought a waiver for Perez.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/30116895/ncaa-grants-extra-year-eligibility-all-winter-sport-athletes
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No I did not ... does that apply to our seniors too?
Yes, it actually applies to every player in the country this year. Anyone playing this season will be able to get an extra year of eligibility because of the uncertainty around COVID. That's why Perez applied for his waiver, because why not, he's got 3 years to play now anyway. So Wisconsin could run it back again with the same super-senior starting five.
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The general vibe I have gotten is that most high-major seniors will not take advantage of the extra COVID year. I think every senior on both MU and UW will have legitimate pro options (overseas) and most will not delay a year of income for another year of school. That being said, it sounded like several of Bucky's seniors had already graduated and were working on graduate degrees. If they only have a year left before getting a masters, I could see some deciding to stay.
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Keep in mind universities may not want the players to come back because they aren't going to pay for all the new players plus the old players. The roster caps are lifted but they still have to pay for anyone on scholarship.. There will be a lot less players staying an extra year than people think IMO
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Keep in mind universities may not want the players to come back because they aren't going to pay for all the new players plus the old players. The roster caps are lifted but they still have to pay for anyone on scholarship.. There will be a lot less players staying an extra year than people think IMO
Are they changing the scholarship limit or is team still limited to 13 scholarship players?
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Keep in mind universities may not want the players to come back because they aren't going to pay for all the new players plus the old players. The roster caps are lifted but they still have to pay for anyone on scholarship.. There will be a lot less players staying an extra year than people think IMO
I don't know enough of the financial ins and outs, but I agree that there will not be as many 22- and 23-year-olds sticking around college as people think.
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Are they changing the scholarship limit or is team still limited to 13 scholarship players?
They basically get a free pass to go over the limit based on the number of potentially returning seniors they have. So as I understand it, you would be allowed 13 freshman-senior scholarships & allowed any 5th year seniors as additional scholarships you can award.
Marquette next year could go up to 16 scholarships: 13 for players on the standard schedule, then additional for Koby, Theo, and Jamal. The year after that it would be 14 (13 + 5th year Greg). It would fluctuate until this freshman class is done (back to 16 when Garcia, Lewis, & Ighodaro are 5th year players).
You can only go over for players that are on roster at the time. If someone transfers, they still get an extra year but they have to be applied to the under-13 scholarships.
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Keep in mind universities may not want the players to come back because they aren't going to pay for all the new players plus the old players. The roster caps are lifted but they still have to pay for anyone on scholarship.. There will be a lot less players staying an extra year than people think IMO
Agreed. Plenty of players who want to stay an extra year may find that the feeling ain't mutual.
I imagine a lot of schools aren't going to want to risk their incoming freshmen or rising sophomores bailing because the seniors they thought they would be replacing are instead sticking around another year.
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Agreed. Plenty of players who want to stay an extra year may find that the feeling ain't mutual.
I imagine a lot of schools aren't going to want to risk their incoming freshmen or rising sophomores bailing because the seniors they thought they would be replacing are instead sticking around another year.
Wisconsin will be a very interesting test case. If their seniors return, all would be likely starters on a top-5 team. Take them away and Wahl is the only returning player of note that isn't currently a freshman or in high school. So I can see them wanting their experience back for a NC push.
Except...Barry Alvarez last year was already willing to push most every non-revenue scholarship player out the door, so would he stick to that line for basketball?
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This season is 4 games old.
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I sure wouldn’t mind watching Theo play with the sophomore versions of Lewis and Garcia....
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I sure wouldn’t mind watching Theo play with the sophomore versions of Lewis and Garcia....
Theo is the guy I'd most want back. With our young forwards & guards, we can weather the losses of Jamal & Koby, but I don't expect any other centers will be Big East ready next year.
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Wisconsin could run it back again with the same super-senior starting five.
Then we should counter with our TBT squad!
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Wisconsin will be a very interesting test case. If their seniors return, all would be likely starters on a top-5 team. Take them away and Wahl is the only returning player of note that isn't currently a freshman or in high school. So I can see them wanting their experience back for a NC push.
Except...Barry Alvarez last year was already willing to push most every non-revenue scholarship player out the door, so would he stick to that line for basketball?
That’s a hard sell for kids behind them currently on the roster. One or two guys is one thing, but five starters is another.
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That’s a hard sell for kids behind them currently on the roster. One or two guys is one thing, but five starters is another.
For sure. Guys like Carlson and Crowl probably expected big minutes by their sophomore years.
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Wisconsin will be a very interesting test case. If their seniors return, all would be likely starters on a top-5 team. Take them away and Wahl is the only returning player of note that isn't currently a freshman or in high school. So I can see them wanting their experience back for a NC push.
Except...Barry Alvarez last year was already willing to push most every non-revenue scholarship player out the door, so would he stick to that line for basketball?
I may be proven wrong here, but I don't think this Badgers lineup - even with another year of experience - is a championship contender. They're solid enough to beat a good team now and again, for sure, but I don't see them stringing together 3-4 wins in a row against top competition.
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I may be proven wrong here, but I don't think this Badgers lineup - even with another year of experience - is a championship contender. They're solid enough to beat a good team now and again, for sure, but I don't see them stringing together 3-4 wins in a row against top competition.
But what any of us thinks is irrelevant, it's what they think internally. In addition, I think any 1-seed is a championship contender, if only because the road to the Final Four is in their favor & anything can happen once you get there.
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I think we’ve seen the Badgers ceiling with the current group. They weren’t very good last year up until the end when they had a very favorable schedule that they took advantage of. The #4 ranking this year was just lazy. They’ll be decent as usual but no where near top 10 and by the end of the year their fans will be ready to move on from the seniors and ready to see what the new guys have to offer. Would be surprised if more than 1 of them returns. If they all return, I think you’ll see a mass exodus of the younger players which isn’t good long term.
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Madison beat 3 cupcakes. First test they had, they lost in a game they never controlled from start to finish.
I seriously don’t see how they are better than we are, and I certainly would admit it if they were.
For one thing, DJ got to just about wherever he wanted to, and they will face better PGs than him.
They are solid, tall, can hit 3s, and make relatively few mistakes, which will keep them in most games and maybe win them 1-2 NCAA tournament games.
There have been many superior Madison teams of recent vintage.
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But what any of us thinks is irrelevant, it's what they think internally. In addition, I think any 1-seed is a championship contender, if only because the road to the Final Four is in their favor & anything can happen once you get there.
They're a long way from a 1 seed, though. I love having a win over a team ranked #4 (at the time) on MU's resume, but that ranking was a mirage.
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This season is 4 games old.
That was my initial reaction when I saw the title of this topic.
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I don't think Bucky is the fourth best team in the nation.
I do think they are top 15 though.
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Speaking of Perez, I think I saw his jersey hanging in the locker room in the post game locker room video. Is he now not playing this year?
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I don't think Bucky is the fourth best team in the nation.
I do think they are top 15 though.
So MU #14! :-)
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Any of the Badgers could decide to leave if they're happy with a degree & want to get on with life, but I can see all of them returning. The only one that looked anything like a future NBA player was Davis, who'll still be at least a year away. It will be interesting to see how Gard handles his roster with 5 current freshmen and 3 incoming. Do you keep the 6 seniors all around, who (along with Wahl) basically insure no more than 1-2 of your 8 underclassmen get PT?
On the other side, I could see a few departures. Theo, Jamal, & Koby will all have pro options if they choose to go. DJ was supposedly considering the NBA Draft if his waiver was declined, while a FOY season from Garcia or Lewis could have either considering their options.
I think you are right. Do Theo, Koby, or Jamal want to go to Europe or beyond? Who knows?
I expect the big 3 will be back though - Dawson, Justin, and DJ. May not happen, but I would be surprised. That is a good foundation to build on.
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I don't think Bucky is the fourth best team in the nation.
I do think they are top 15 though.
I was trying to come up with reasons why they’d be out of the top 25 by the end of the year, but then I just stopped. That program is a freaking metronome. They’re slow, they don’t have any stars, they didn’t look impressive at all last night, but they’ll still win a lot of games in the B1G.
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TAMU
Normally I quick to point out if I think a team is overrated and that takes some of the bloom of the win, but last night felt different to me. When MU had the run a couple of years ago winning three in a row at home against ranked opponents it felt like a lot went well for them. Buffalo was on 2 or 3 game road trip, K State did not look very good to me and UW could not make a basket.
Last night UW could not make a basket and it was because they played very good half court D. Two years ago they missed open shots. Bottom line to me, they played tough, kept composure and three newcomers played big. I was never a fan of Howard making 25 straight points and thought it was one trick pony. Again, last night showed signs of some promise.
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They're a long way from a 1 seed, though. I love having a win over a team ranked #4 (at the time) on MU's resume, but that ranking was a mirage.
Maybe not this year, but I'm talking about next. And if they can win the Big 10, just about any team winning that league right now will be in the mix for the top line.
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Wiscy was ranked where they were due to how they finished last season (winning the B1G regular season championship) and bringing everybody back. It is fair. Do I think they are one of the 5 best teams in the country? No. But it is still a fair preseason ranking. They will be good. But MSU, Iowa, and Illinois are also going to be good.