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Title: Carton's Shot
Post by: 1SE on December 05, 2020, 04:43:10 AM
Stayed up late to watch the game and am glad I did. Haven't enjoyed watching a MU game that much in a long time. Really love our crew of young guys - someone should start a poll about how many years Lewis will be here. I don't know if I've ever seen a more impactful game from a freshman.

The only real eyesore for me was Carton's perimeter shot. It looks like he's pulling the ball out of his shorts. Is that the form he shot 40% on last year? I mean as a PG you've gotta make the D respect you behind the arc (cough cough Derrick), but right now I don't know if I want him shooting his way out of the slump during games - take one or two if the D is sagging, but I don't think a Carton 3 should be a primary play option at this point.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 05, 2020, 06:02:36 AM
It looks rushed.  I think its mostly rust.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: We R Final Four on December 05, 2020, 07:27:49 AM
DJ played like the player I hoped that we were getting.  That shot will come.  Even on his misses, I said that's a nice shot/nice touch.
He must lead us, and last night showed that he is more than capable. Im thrilled.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 05, 2020, 07:45:18 AM
Stayed up late to watch the game and am glad I did. Haven't enjoyed watching a MU game that much in a long time. Really love our crew of young guys - someone should start a poll about how many years Lewis will be here. I don't know if I've ever seen a more impactful game from a freshman.

The only real eyesore for me was Carton's perimeter shot. It looks like he's pulling the ball out of his shorts. Is that the form he shot 40% on last year? I mean as a PG you've gotta make the D respect you behind the arc (cough cough Derrick), but right now I don't know if I want him shooting his way out of the slump during games - take one or two if the D is sagging, but I don't think a Carton 3 should be a primary play option at this point.

Glad you changed your mind about watching the game 1SE.

Lewis is like a savvy business investor- cooly ID's opportunities and acts decisively. He's a thinker. He proved that during the game but especially at the buzzer.

Love your description of Carton's shot! I noticed it too. Gives the defender a tiny fraction of a second longer to mess with him. To me, a bigger problem is his inability to understand that seconds on the clock are what they are. Very glad he made the 1st free throw at the end but kudos to Trice for the foul. I really like Carton, but things like that shot clock violation on the first possession of the game are maddening.
 
 

 

Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: forgetful on December 05, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
Glad you changed your mind about watching the game 1SE.

Lewis is like a savvy business investor- cooly ID's opportunities and acts decisively. He's a thinker. He proved that during the game but especially at the buzzer.

Love your description of Carton's shot! I noticed it too. Gives the defender a tiny fraction of a second longer to mess with him. To me, a bigger problem is his inability to understand that seconds on the clock are what they are. Very glad he made the 1st free throw at the end but kudos to Trice for the foul. I really like Carton, but things like that shot clock violation on the first possession of the game are maddening.
 

I think the bolded is largely an artifact of the TV clock and the actual game clock not being synched up this year. Apparently, if you look for the actual game clock on screen, contact with Trice occurred with 1.5 s still left on the clock. There was actually enough time for him to still get all the way to the hoop.

I've noticed this on shot clock issues too, the shot clock on the TV broadcast often ends before the one on the court. I think this is due to the delay in live broadcasts.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on December 05, 2020, 08:25:59 AM
I think the bolded is largely an artifact of the TV clock and the actual game clock not being synched up this year. Apparently, if you look for the actual game clock on screen, contact with Trice occurred with 1.5 s still left on the clock. There was actually enough time for him to still get all the way to the hoop.

I've noticed this on shot clock issues too, the shot clock on the TV broadcast often ends before the one on the court. I think this is due to the delay in live broadcasts.

Yep..couple examples here of the clock being off:

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1335215133543501825
https://twitter.com/alexjesswein/status/1335218153392140293

Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: jesmu84 on December 05, 2020, 09:49:01 AM
On his FTs, he puts his off-hand on top of the ball. Not sure if it's the same for his jump shots
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: 1SE on December 05, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
DJ played like the player I hoped that we were getting.  That shot will come.  Even on his misses, I said that's a nice shot/nice touch.
He must lead us, and last night showed that he is more than capable. Im thrilled.

Yeah, overall I'm thrilled with him - but that shot just looks super ugly to me. If it doesn't come I hope he knows/is coached/is ok with dialing it back on 3PAs. We have enough other shooting to spread the floor - especially if Theo keeps up his 100% clip!
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2020, 10:08:40 AM
Yeah, overall I'm thrilled with him - but that shot just looks super ugly to me. If it doesn't come I hope he knows/is coached/is ok with dialing it back on 3PAs. We have enough other shooting to spread the floor - especially if Theo keeps up his 100% clip!

I have no idea what in his form looks “super ugly” to you.  He struggled with his shot last night, missing a lot of good looks. It happens to good players. He’ll have games those will all be going in.  Not a thing ugly about his shot though.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2020, 10:19:03 AM
I have no idea what in his form looks “super ugly” to you.  He struggled with his shot last night, missing a lot of good looks. It happens to good players. He’ll have games those will all be going in.  Not a thing ugly about his shot though.

That 3 at the end of the half looked nice
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: BM1090 on December 05, 2020, 10:35:10 AM
Yeah, overall I'm thrilled with him - but that shot just looks super ugly to me. If it doesn't come I hope he knows/is coached/is ok with dialing it back on 3PAs. We have enough other shooting to spread the floor - especially if Theo keeps up his 100% clip!

Nobody else who can really shoot off the dribble, though. It's important he is able to hit those shots at a somewhat efficient clip. I'm confident he will.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: WarriorFan on December 05, 2020, 11:29:37 PM
His shot starts a bit low and is a little too much of a push, but if it goes in who cares.
It does not affect the outcome at this level because he has enough athleticism and intelligence in his game to know when he can get it off and when he cannot.
To move up a level, he will need to fix it.

The only disadvantage is that in time sensitive situations it will be better to get the ball to a guy with a high release like Lewis or Cain.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: 1SE on March 03, 2021, 02:46:38 AM
Glad DJ willed us to the win last night, but a 1-4 3pt attempt has him at 29% now on the season. That's a big regression from 40% last year...
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: tower912 on March 03, 2021, 05:57:50 AM
Other than Greg, who is hitting 3s? 
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 03, 2021, 08:21:50 AM
I was thinking that Brendan would have been the difference this year. 2-3  games go the other way with him taking the shot from 3.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2021, 08:23:34 AM
I was thinking that Brendan would have been the difference this year. 2-3  games go the other way with him taking the shot from 3.

Perhaps but that’s one of Wojo’s great flaws, roster construction.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 03, 2021, 08:25:54 AM
Perhaps but that’s one of Wojo’s great flaws, roster construction.

BB leaving kinda took us all by surprise. The kid from bowling green was supposed to be the replacement and would have come here but for covid. Ima say this one is a bit of a unique one.

But agree there are issues on roster construction.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: tower912 on March 03, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
Roster construction is an issue.    Two unused scholarships, no switchables.   
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 03, 2021, 08:57:16 AM
DJ played like the player I hoped that we were getting.  That shot will come.  Even on his misses, I said that's a nice shot/nice touch.
He must lead us, and last night showed that he is more than capable. Im thrilled.

He will be leading the South Bay Lakers next year
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
Hope DJ sticks around.  When he finds that 2nd gear, he's really good.  Wish he could find it earlier in games and more consistently.

I think this team could be pretty good next year if DJ/Dawson/Lewis/Theo all return.  We'll see - likely very doubtful. 
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: 79Warrior on March 03, 2021, 11:27:27 AM
Other than Greg, who is hitting 3s?

Exactly. The team was 6-23 last night. This is not a particularly good 3 point shooting team.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: MuggsyB on March 03, 2021, 11:45:26 AM
It's not a good shooting team in general.  I think DJ needs to put some spin on his shot?  It's kind of flat.  He's so talented but really needs to figure out where to score on the floor and improve his shot.  I think he often plays too fast. 
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: We R Final Four on March 03, 2021, 11:53:57 AM
Hope DJ sticks around.  When he finds that 2nd gear, he's really good.  Wish he could find it earlier in games and more consistently.

I think this team could be pretty good next year if DJ/Dawson/Lewis/Theo all return.  We'll see - likely very doubtful.
Theo is not returning.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 03, 2021, 12:04:01 PM
Theo is not returning.

Yeah, I'd venture a guess that someone -- not sure who -- is going to pay Theo to play basketball next year.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: zcg2013 on March 03, 2021, 12:18:06 PM
Or Theo could be one of those that thrives at football a la Julius Peppers.

Yeah, I'd venture a guess that someone -- not sure who -- is going to pay Theo to play basketball next year.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 03, 2021, 12:20:47 PM
Theo will be making $$ overseas for a long time.  American bigs always do.  Chris Otule is still working it.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 03, 2021, 02:01:51 PM
Or Theo could be one of those that thrives at football a la Julius Peppers.

Julius Peppers was a total college football stud and was drafted #2 overall.

He just happened to be good enough at basketball to earn minutes at UNC as a walk-on.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2021, 03:53:43 PM
Theo is not returning.

Oh?  Did he tell you that? 
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: We R Final Four on March 03, 2021, 04:35:30 PM
Oh?  Did he tell you that?
You offered to bet.....I accepted.
What do you want to bet? $50?
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2021, 05:01:26 PM
Oh?  Did he tell you that?

You’ve been harping on Theo or some of the other seniors returning for a few weeks now.  I believe Wojo stated in a radio interview a while back that none of this year’s seniors would return next year.  Isn’t that enough?  What more would you need?  Theo isn’t coming back.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: Viper on March 03, 2021, 05:10:18 PM
DJ played like the player I hoped that we were getting.  That shot will come.  Even on his misses, I said that's a nice shot/nice touch.
He must lead us, and last night showed that he is more than capable. Im thrilled.
Carton has poor form
on that outside shot. Release is way too low...chin level. Easy to defend. Granted, even with bad form DJ is better than Torrance. And, with his athleticism he’s more of a slasher anyway. Next year frosh Cam Jones has that same very low release. Fortunately he might be more of a Vander-type cut, slash & dash.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2021, 05:34:09 PM
I believe Wojo stated in a radio interview a while back that none of this year’s seniors would return next year.  Isn’t that enough?  What more would you need?  Theo isn’t coming back.

That's not exactly what he said.  On Jan 14 he said his expectations were that all of the seniors would go on to play pro.  Listen yourself starting at 17:00
https://wisconsinondemand.com/podcasts/marquette-basketball/2021/jan/14/marquette-basketball-hour-11421/
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2021, 05:50:25 PM
Photo
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2021, 05:55:46 PM
Trying to post photos of Carton’s Dunk
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2021, 05:58:35 PM
Photo attachments are showing on my phone but not my desk top.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2021, 06:02:56 PM
Photo attachments are showing on my phone but not my desk top.

They're working (you have to be logged in to see them).
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: JWags85 on March 03, 2021, 06:04:24 PM
Julius Peppers was a total college football stud and was drafted #2 overall.

He just happened to be good enough at basketball to earn minutes at UNC as a walk-on.

Yep. He was a freak athlete who was also a track star in HS, but football was always his future. He’s thinking more a Jimmy Graham type.

Theo will be making $$ overseas for a long time.  American bigs always do.  Chris Otule is still working it.

Especially Asia. O’Tule actually played at much higher levels (top tier in France and Germany) than you’d expect, but then migrated to Asia. The Japanese/Korean/Chinese leagues are filled with athletic big guys who were decent in college but then headed to Asia and became stars. It’s the kind of player that just isn’t produced a ton there locally. For international basketball, guys bounce around a lot, but you’ll see guys head there and stick around the same team for quite awhile.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2021, 06:25:46 PM
They're working (you have to be logged in to see them).

Thank You
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2021, 06:26:46 PM
O’Tule

Never heard of him.  ;D
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: 1SE on March 11, 2021, 12:50:03 AM
28.6% ooof.

Hard to see him going to the association with that. He needs to try a Markus like summer camp and fix that thing. With a legit outside threat next year he could really have a special season.
Title: Re: Carton's Shot
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2021, 08:17:27 AM
Yeah, I'd venture a guess that someone -- not sure who -- is going to pay Theo to play basketball next year.
Hopefully he can stay healthy, get the knee(s) issues fixed. These massive wraps he needed on the bench...