MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Vogue 66 on December 03, 2020, 05:47:31 AM
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There is something positive to be said for a coach who does not ask his players to execute plays in a game they have not practiced.
It appears to me that our team had not installed plays to deal with either the full court press or the zone.
Furthermore, we did not have a serviceable press to use against OSU.
(at least we had some inbound plays)
It probably took a lot of serious practice time to get the man defence working.
Back in my day coach Wooden would never ask his team to run plays they had not practiced.
Last night I watched Buzz design plays on the fly against Tarleton State (part of the Texas A & M system), for better or worse, it is just his style.
Last point, sitting a player who is frustrated is a good move. On the otherhand, some coaches would let the player play thru the frustration.
What is the next part to be installed? A few plays against a zone? A press of our own?
This year we might end the season on a positive note rather than a downer.
At least Wojo now has the parts to compete. First things first.
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There is something positive to be said for a coach who does not ask his players to execute plays in a game they have not practiced.
It appears to me that our team had not installed plays to deal with either the full court press or the zone.
Furthermore, we did not have a serviceable press to use against OSU.
(at least we had some inbound plays)
It probably took a lot of serious practice time to get the man defence working.
Back in my day coach Wooden would never ask his team to run plays they had not practiced.
Last night I watched Buzz design plays on the fly against Tarleton State (part of the Texas A & M system), for better or worse, it is just his style.
Last point, sitting a player who is frustrated is a good move. On the otherhand, some coaches would let the player play thru the frustration.
What is the next part to be installed? A few plays against a zone? A press of our own?
This year we might end the season on a positive note rather than a downer.
At least Wojo now has the parts to compete. First things first.
He may have the parts but we'll see if you are right on Friday.
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He has said that they have primarily practiced defense and have not spent a lot of time in offense. Reminiscent of Buzz. And the defense has been much improved.
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He has said that they have primarily practiced defense and have not spent a lot of time in offense. Reminiscent of Buzz. And the defense has been much improved.
The defense has been better, even with the small sample size of 3 games. This short season will either amplify shortcomings or mask the bigger issues that a longer season would expose. It will be interesting.
Another caveat: some colleges playing with fans present, others not. Really makes this whole situation a clown show. NCAA not stepping in to make regulations and just "leaving it up to the schools" is the biggest joke of all.
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In Wojo's defense, the players (particularly guards) are not good at 3PT shots or free throws.
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In Wojo's defense, the players (particularly guards) are not good at 3PT shots or free throws.
I see this a lot, but who recruited those cats who can't shoot?
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We’re in year 7 and the evidence is in: Good recruiter but a mediocre coach at his best, and likely a bit below average. We don’t need to speculate anymore—he’s proven he’s not equipped to take us to the promised land (whether that be a title or consistent S16 appearances).
Why are we ok with this?
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We’re in year 7 and the evidence is in: Good recruiter but a mediocre coach at his best, and likely a bit below average. We don’t need to speculate anymore—he’s proven he’s not equipped to take us to the promised land (whether that be a title or consistent S16 appearances).
Why are we ok with this?
Let's say we are not "ok with this."
What do you suggest we do?
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I see this a lot, but who recruited those cats who can't shoot?
bingo!
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Let's say we are not "ok with this."
What do you suggest we do?
At the very least, keep calling out slurpery and BS on places like this message board. Keep holding him accountable on here and Twitter and other places on the internet. Want to have a bigger impact? Cancel your season tickets and stop going to games. That will really get the attention of the athletic department. Wojo was already getting booed at home games. That would’ve continued this season.
Aside from cancelling season tickets and withholding donations, there is not much the fans can do besides complain on the internet. But at least that’s something, and people close to the program (including possibly Wojo himself) do read these boards.
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At the very least, keep calling out slurpery and BS on places like this message board.
That will have zero impact on Wojo's job status
Keep holding him accountable on here and Twitter and other places on the internet.
That will have zero impact on Wojo's job status
Cancel your season tickets and stop going to games. That will really get the attention of the athletic department.
That would have impact on Wojo's job status. But not this year (no fans)
Wojo was already getting booed at home games. That would’ve continued this season.
That's just poor form. Don't do that.
Want to have your voice heard? This is the guy to contact. Send him an email, leave a voicemail. All his contact info is right there! https://gomarquette.com/staff-directory/bill-scholl/2
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That will have zero impact on Wojo's job status
That will have zero impact on Wojo's job status
That would have impact on Wojo's job status. But not this year (no fans)
That's just poor form. Don't do that.
Want to have your voice heard? This is the guy to contact. Send him an email, leave a voicemail. All his contact info is right there! https://gomarquette.com/staff-directory/bill-scholl/2
Yep, I understand that criticizing Wojo on the internet will have zero impact on his job status. But I, and others, will continue to do it anyway if it's warranted. You believe that happy crappy?
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Yep, I understand that criticizing Wojo on the internet will have zero impact on his job status. But I, and others, will continue to do it anyway if it's warranted. You believe that happy crappy?
Why are you stealing lines from a Stephen King book?
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Why are you stealing lines from a Stephen King book?
Ha, nice catch, that's a pretty obscure reference! I believe the chapters with "The Kid" were edited out of the original version of The Stand, but got added back in at some point. Good book, but too long by at least a couple hundred pages.
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At the very least, keep calling out slurpery and BS on places like this message board. Keep holding him accountable on here and Twitter and other places on the internet. Want to have a bigger impact? Cancel your season tickets and stop going to games. That will really get the attention of the athletic department. Wojo was already getting booed at home games. That would’ve continued this season.
Aside from cancelling season tickets and withholding donations, there is not much the fans can do besides complain on the internet. But at least that’s something, and people close to the program (including possibly Wojo himself) do read these boards.
Okey dokey. Even though, as rocky says, none of this will impact anything, enjoy!
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Okey dokey. Even though, as rocky says, none of this will impact anything, enjoy!
So what’s the point in talking about anything on here then? Recruiting, mlb, nba, etc.
Isn’t the point of a forum to discuss opinions, share information, etc?
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Okey dokey. Even though, as rocky says, none of this will impact anything, enjoy!
Do you have an issue with this? I don't really understand your point. I don't live and breathe MU ball, but from November to March, it's one of my favorite things to think about. Game days are always a little more exciting--I'll be at work or talking to a friend and all of a sudden I'll think, "Hey, there's a game tonight!" and it'll make me a little happier. I try my absolute best to watch every game on TV, and attend a few per season if possible. I made that suggestion about not showing up to games, but the truth is, I'm not strong enough to do that. I'll always go if I can because I love the experience of watching a college basketball game in person. There's nothing like it.
No one at work or in any of my social circles gives a damn about Marquette basketball. I'm just some random a$$hole who's not rich or famous, so I'm not going to email Bill Scholl, because my opinion doesn't really matter. But I enjoy coming onto this site and engaging in debate about the state of the program. I've been a fan of MU ball for decades, so even though I'm not one of the amatuer "experts" on this board (of which we all know there are a few) I do have a pretty solid foundation of knowledge on the subject and like interacting with other passionate fans. So yes, I will enjoy, thank you very much.
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I think holding Wojo accountable on Twitter (in a non-personal / overly derogatory or explicit manner) would have an affect on his job status. If you disagree, just look at the 45th POTUS, who practically governs through Twitter. Social media is a powerful tool and Scholl, BOT, et al are not blind to what people are saying. Especially in the replies to official MU tweets. The MU YouTube page turned off comments to the public near the end of the season last year. We can all speculate why.
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So what’s the point in talking about anything on here then? Recruiting, mlb, nba, etc.
Isn’t the point of a forum to discuss opinions, share information, etc?
It's fine to talk about it, but don't expect it to have any measurable impact outside of this message board.
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Criticizing a coach on Twitter or Scoop is NOT 'holding him accountable.' It's criticizing him on Twitter or Scoop. Only MU leadership can hold him accountable.
Too many people overestimate the influence they have....
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I think holding Wojo accountable on Twitter (in a non-personal / overly derogatory or explicit manner) would have an affect on his job status. If you disagree, just look at the 45th POTUS, who practically governs through Twitter. Social media is a powerful tool and Scholl, BOT, et al are not blind to what people are saying. Especially in the replies to official MU tweets. The MU YouTube page turned off comments to the public near the end of the season last year. We can all speculate why.
LOL. Cmon... They ain't firing Wojo because Twitter was mean to him. Give me a break.
They fire him when big $$$ donors and season ticket holders put pressure on the athletic department to make a change. They turn off comments to Youtube videos because people are dicks.
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Arguments in defense of Wojo:
1) He's a PR dream. He will never ever publicly say/do something stupid. Odd departures notwithstanding (Morrow as one example), he strikes me as someone who is very cautious about perceptions.
2) He landed (another) All-American. Let's see what he can do with him.
3) He's young, still maturing. He could be the next Jay Wright (ulikely? Sure, but it's possible). Relatedly, he has an incentive to perform well and not mail it in since he has his whole career ahead of him.
4) What other coach is available right now/year from now? Thad Matta?
5) He's relatively cheap (reported base salary seems low compared to comparable programs).
6) He's earned a 5-seed in the tournament, showing that he's at least capable.
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https://zonecoverage.com/2018/timberwolves/report-justin-patton-and-anthony-brown-allegedly-received-extra-benefits-while-amateurs/
https://apnews.com/article/849f658c589347e79ecc2f8ee92290dd
https://www.thesetonian.com/2017/12/22/sanogo-suspended-for-violation-of-team-and-university-rules/
(supposedly was getting kicked off the team until Rodriguez, Carrington, and Delgado "had a talk" with willard.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/d7mmv7/former-creighton-standout-maurice-watson-charged-with-rape
https://thehoya.com/mens-basketball-players-accused-of-burglary-harassment-assault/
I like not seeing these articles about us, and am willing to give the guy that keeps articles like these from being written a longer leash. I know others disagree, but that's where I stand.
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Do you have an issue with this? I don't really understand your point. I don't live and breathe MU ball, but from November to March, it's one of my favorite things to think about. Game days are always a little more exciting--I'll be at work or talking to a friend and all of a sudden I'll think, "Hey, there's a game tonight!" and it'll make me a little happier. I try my absolute best to watch every game on TV, and attend a few per season if possible. I made that suggestion about not showing up to games, but the truth is, I'm not strong enough to do that. I'll always go if I can because I love the experience of watching a college basketball game in person. There's nothing like it.
No one at work or in any of my social circles gives a damn about Marquette basketball. I'm just some random a$$hole who's not rich or famous, so I'm not going to email Bill Scholl, because my opinion doesn't really matter. But I enjoy coming onto this site and engaging in debate about the state of the program. I've been a fan of MU ball for decades, so even though I'm not one of the amatuer "experts" on this board (of which we all know there are a few) I do have a pretty solid foundation of knowledge on the subject and like interacting with other passionate fans. So yes, I will enjoy, thank you very much.
No issue at all.
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Silent Verbal
Well stated posts on the topic. There is nothing quite like the excitement of a big MU game and I have enjoyed it for decades as well. Sadly, while I come from a very large family of MU grads (over 20 grads between my family and my wife's), the program has lost it's luster to almost all of them. Season tickets not renewed, attending less and less games and a general blah attitude towards the program. Five years ago I could have called 10+ family members/friends after a big game and chalk talked the game and I loved it. Today I have one brother in law (a lurker on here) that really cares and probably the only family member that cares at the moment.
MU can do whatever they want and wish them well, but I think they have taken a very loyal fan base for granted for a long time and I hope it does not bite them in the ass. MU has enough problems at the moment and losing the segment of the fan base is not something they can afford to have happen.
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I went from a 5-game pack to a single game per year to no games last year.
I still attend the BET because it is the BET.
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Arguments in defense of Wojo:
1) He's a PR dream. He will never ever publicly say/do something stupid. Odd departures notwithstanding (Morrow as one example), he strikes me as someone who is very cautious about perceptions.
2) He landed (another) All-American. Let's see what he can do with him.
3) He's young, still maturing. He could be the next Jay Wright (ulikely? Sure, but it's possible). Relatedly, he has an incentive to perform well and not mail it in since he has his whole career ahead of him.
4) What other coach is available right now/year from now? Thad Matta?
5) He's relatively cheap (reported base salary seems low compared to comparable programs).
6) He's earned a 5-seed in the tournament, showing that he's at least capable.
His performance off the court, how he was ahead of the curve supporting his players during the unrest during the late spring, his being the anti-Buzz when it comes to getting investigated by the NCAA, are taken very seriously by the powers that be at MU.
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Wojo is fine. I'm pretty convinced he would land on his feed at a struggling P6 program and get them to where he has MU now. I don't see any evidence that MU will fall out of the top 50 or so teams in the country in Wojo's tenure, however long it may be. MU will be a tournament team more often than not. But I also don't think we'll ever have a legitimate top 10 team under his watch.
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MU can do whatever they want and wish them well, but I think they have taken a very loyal fan base for granted for a long time and I hope it does not bite them in the ass. MU has enough problems at the moment and losing the segment of the fan base is not something they can afford to have happen.
I think this is a critical point. We already know the process that brought Wojo in drove away one major donor in Dick Strong. I think for the most part we have a great, passionate fanbase, and allowing apathy to set in is the kind of thing that a University like Marquette, that relies so heavily on their men's basketball program for donor dollars, simply cannot afford.
Even if Wojo is a fine coach, he has created a divisiveness amongst the fans and there are regular fans and STHs that simply don't have the same passion and willingness to part with dollars they once did. I'm not sure that getting rid of Wojo would fix that, but keeping him certainly doesn't seem to be helping matters.
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There is something positive to be said for a coach who does not ask his players to execute plays in a game they have not practiced.
It appears to me that our team had not installed plays to deal with either the full court press or the zone.
Furthermore, we did not have a serviceable press to use against OSU.
(at least we had some inbound plays)
It probably took a lot of serious practice time to get the man defence working.
Back in my day coach Wooden would never ask his team to run plays they had not practiced.
Last night I watched Buzz design plays on the fly against Tarleton State (part of the Texas A & M system), for better or worse, it is just his style.
Last point, sitting a player who is frustrated is a good move. On the otherhand, some coaches would let the player play thru the frustration.
What is the next part to be installed? A few plays against a zone? A press of our own?
This year we might end the season on a positive note rather than a downer.
At least Wojo now has the parts to compete. First things first.
How does a Division 1 coach NOT prepare his team for a zone or press?!?
I've seen that done on grade school teams my son played on.
This is one of the big problems.
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I have too. I have also had to try to get ready for a season with only two weeks of practice.
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LOL. Cmon... They ain't firing Wojo because Twitter was mean to him. Give me a break.
They fire him when big $$$ donors and season ticket holders put pressure on the athletic department to make a change. They turn off comments to Youtube videos because people are dicks.
Not sure I said they'd fire him because Twitter was mean to him. It's an accumulation of pressure from the fanbase. Booing at games, negative social media presence, empty seats (granted the most important of them).
All of you who think there's some deep pocketed, shadow-society at work behind Marquette's athletic department with the ability and passion to hire and fire coaches with multi-million dollar wire transfers and a wink are the ones that need to wake up. Talk about LOL!
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Not necessarily a defense of Wojo. however, last season was our 40th year in a conference. In that time MU has loss less than 10 games in a season only 7 times.
Generally, you can expect 10 losses in a season, so going overboard on a loss to a good team is........
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Not sure I said they'd fire him because Twitter was mean to him. It's an accumulation of pressure from the fanbase. Booing at games, negative social media presence, empty seats (granted the most important of them).
All of you who think there's some deep pocketed, shadow-society at work behind Marquette's athletic department with the ability and passion to hire and fire coaches with multi-million dollar wire transfers and a wink are the ones that need to wake up. Talk about LOL!
Uh...yeah. You think the AD cares about the tweets or those who help fund the program?
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Uh...yeah. You think the AD cares about the tweets or those who help fund the program?
Surprises me to no end that people think that yelling into the void of twitter and getting two retweets and a like think that their online opinions matter.
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Uh...yeah. You think the AD cares about the tweets or those who help fund the program?
I think the AD, if he's any good, cares about the general sentiment of the fanbase. And if you do the math, butts in seats and the TV deal fund the vast majority of the athletic department. So again, there's no Knights of the Hidden Templar writing checks to Scholl influencing his every move.
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I think the AD, if he's any good, cares about the general sentiment of the fanbase. And if you do the math, butts in seats and the TV deal fund the vast majority of the athletic department. So again, there's no Knights of the Hidden Templar writing checks to Scholl influencing his every move.
So are you being hyperbolic because you know your point is absurd, or because you aren't smart enough to figure out how absurd your point is?
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So are you being hyperbolic because you know your point is absurd, or because you aren't smart enough to figure out how absurd your point is?
The Blue and Gold Fund has pulled in $60 million in its entire existence (mid 90s), the Marquette Men's Basketball team generates $20 million of operating revenue (i.e. tickets, TV deal, merch, etc) in one normal season. This is publicly available information.
Nobody's saying the school wouldn't be bothered if the Blue and Gold Fund suddenly ran dry out of nowhere, but there's not one or two or three or five donors that have Scholl on speed-dial and a check that's ready to be torn up - as is insinuated.
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People underestimate MUScoop.
Like if there was a thread, We the Undersigned Demand a Coaching Change .. that gets to say, 50 signers, boom, done.
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Hards
We have not interacted in quite some time and hope all is well. That said, I find your last post rather ironic. You are someone that shares opinions on countless of topics on here, and more importantly, you beat them into the ground. Do you think your opinions on here matter or are you just letting off some steam? While we agree on little, I do read your comments and believe they are posted because you think your opinion does matter. Am I wrong on that?
FYI--I know about beating topics into the ground on here based of my posts regarding the program for quite some time. Thankfully, we are able to start talking some ball again and that is much welcomed in my life.
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The Blue and Gold Fund has pulled in $60 million in its entire existence (mid 90s), the Marquette Men's Basketball team generates $20 million of operating revenue (i.e. tickets, TV deal, merch, etc) in one normal season. This is publicly available information.
Nobody's saying the school wouldn't be bothered if the Blue and Gold Fund suddenly ran dry out of nowhere, but there's not one or two or three or five donors that have Scholl on speed-dial and a check that's ready to be torn up - as is insinuated.
You do realize that many of the larger donors don’t route their giving through the blue and gold fund right?
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Fluff
Enough with sharing the facts on here:)
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Hards
We have not interacted in quite some time and hope all is well. That said, I find your last post rather ironic. You are someone that shares opinions on countless of topics on here, and more importantly, you beat them into the ground. Do you think your opinions on here matter or are you just letting off some steam? While we agree on little, I do read your comments and believe they are posted because you think your opinion does matter. Am I wrong on that?
FYI--I know about beating topics into the ground on here based of my posts regarding the program for quite some time. Thankfully, we are able to start talking some ball again and that is much welcomed in my life.
You're missing the point. I don't expect my opinions typed in this forum to have any impact on anyone in the athletic department. If they need to hear it from me, they need to find a new job. I'm a fooking amateur.
There is a distinct difference between a discussion between interested parties (participation is important) and someone on twitter and three people interacting... and then expecting a change because of that tweet. I would never claim that my opinions espoused here are expected to change anyone's mind, but clearly, you interacting with them has given them some validity. Twitter is most often a one way conversation. Or someone behind a computer types something, and thinks they are truly making a difference.
I'm guessing that you find my post ironic because you think I'm typing to a void. I'm saying there is a difference between a bunch of dorks typing about Marquette basketball or Covid or whatever on a message board and interacting... My opinions may or may not matter to people here (generally, of course they don't) but there is interaction. I don't hope that my posts here have any tangible impact on Marquette Basketball operations... nor do I tweet about it... because its really just mental masturbation. I think what others here have spoken to... hitting Marquette financially... is the only way that they will truly listen.
As for me, I'm fine. Laying low until this is all over. Which I hope is sooner, rather than later.
Best.
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You do realize that many of the larger donors don’t route their giving through the blue and gold fund right?
2019:
The entire University generated $41 million in contributions with donor restrictions (aka has to be used for a certain purpose). Let's subtract the $5 million or so for the Blue and Gold Fund. We're down to $35 million in contributions with donor restrictions across the ENTIRE university last year. Now what percentage of that do you think is restricted to the athletic department? I would say 10% would be a generous guess. Now we're up to $8.5 million in total donations restricted to the athletic department (when you add the Blue and Gold Fund). Of which $5 million is restricted to student-athlete scholarships. Operating revenue is more than double that number. The yearly, multi-million dollar athletic department donors you speak of do not exist... Sorry.
Again - all of this is publicly available go check out MU's financial statements.
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2019:
The entire University generated $41 million in contributions with donor restrictions (aka has to be used for a certain purpose). Let's subtract the $5 million or so for the Blue and Gold Fund. We're down to $35 million in contributions with donor restrictions across the ENTIRE university last year. Now what percentage of that do you think is restricted to the athletic department? I would say 10% would be a generous guess. Now we're up to $8.5 million in total donations restricted to the athletic department (when you add the Blue and Gold Fund). Of which $5 million is restricted to student-athlete scholarships. Operating revenue is more than double that number. The yearly, multi-million dollar athletic department donors you speak of do not exist... Sorry.
Again - all of this is publicly available go check out MU's financial statements.
Who said anything about “yearly multi million athletic department donors?”
You are a little out of your element here.
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I think this is a critical point. We already know the process that brought Wojo in drove away one major donor in Dick Strong. I think for the most part we have a great, passionate fanbase, and allowing apathy to set in is the kind of thing that a University like Marquette, that relies so heavily on their men's basketball program for donor dollars, simply cannot afford.
Even if Wojo is a fine coach, he has created a divisiveness amongst the fans and there are regular fans and STHs that simply don't have the same passion and willingness to part with dollars they once did. I'm not sure that getting rid of Wojo would fix that, but keeping him certainly doesn't seem to be helping matters.
Wojo has absolutely not created divisiveness amongst our fans. We do that. With our speculation about his “feature” system and what fragile ego du-jour he isn’t placating. I wish we would all just let him coach. He wants to win big here, and he loves it at Marquette.
Coach O’Neill or Buzz, I could see if someone used the term “divisive”, as those guys didn’t give the average fan much direct access, and there was always the sense of a highly-insulated circle around the team. Wojo is producing student athletes who don’t have a sense of entitlement relative to the student body. I think because he’s a product of Duke, people just assume he’s arrogant or aloof. Not at all the case. Certainly not divisive.
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People underestimate MUScoop.
Like if there was a thread, We the Undersigned Demand a Coaching Change .. that gets to say, 50 signers, boom, done.
I can personally attest to this statement. Wojo, or his colleagues have read scoop previously. I would know..
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Wojo has absolutely not created divisiveness amongst our fans. We do that. With our speculation about his “feature” system and what fragile ego du-jour he isn’t placating. I wish we would all just let him coach. He wants to win big here, and he loves it at Marquette.
Coach O’Neill or Buzz, I could see if someone used the term “divisive”, as those guys didn’t give the average fan much direct access, and there was always the sense of a highly-insulated circle around the team. Wojo is producing student athletes who don’t have a sense of entitlement relative to the student body. I think because he’s a product of Duke, people just assume he’s arrogant or aloof. Not at all the case. Certainly not divisive.
Wojo coming from Duke immediately set the tone for where we are now. He was a divisive figure ever since he was slapping floors in blue. And his general tendency to not take responsibility hasn't helped matters. Wojo isn't great at pointing the finger of blame at himself. That has also divided fans.
When you talk about access, all I can say is I fully believe what you are saying is false and has been since early on. There are barriers around the program that have been set that did not exist under Crean or Buzz. Those are enforced very strictly. Maybe it's different from a fan-interaction standpoint vs a narrative-controlling standpoint, but access is far more restricted now than it was before Wojo.
But at the end of the day, fans are incredibly divided about Wojo. They have been for the past few years. It's not just on message boards, it's on shuttles to and from the games, it's in the stands, it permeates those that support the program. Whatever reason you want to assign it, it unquestionably exists and Wojo IS at the center of it, so that by definition makes him the root cause of the divisiveness.
I'm sure Wojo wants to win. We all want Wojo to win. But the reality is there are dozens of other high-major coaches and at least half of them in our own league are better at winning than he is. Desire is great, but if you can't deliver on it, it's ultimately not very useful.
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Wojo coming from Duke immediately set the tone for where we are now. He was a divisive figure ever since he was slapping floors in blue. And his general tendency to not take responsibility hasn't helped matters. Wojo isn't great at pointing the finger of blame at himself. That has also divided fans.
When you talk about access, all I can say is I fully believe what you are saying is false and has been since early on. There are barriers around the program that have been set that did not exist under Crean or Buzz. Those are enforced very strictly. Maybe it's different from a fan-interaction standpoint vs a narrative-controlling standpoint, but access is far more restricted now than it was before Wojo.
But at the end of the day, fans are incredibly divided about Wojo. They have been for the past few years. It's not just on message boards, it's on shuttles to and from the games, it's in the stands, it permeates those that support the program. Whatever reason you want to assign it, it unquestionably exists and Wojo IS at the center of it, so that by definition makes him the root cause of the divisiveness.
I'm sure Wojo wants to win. We all want Wojo to win. But the reality is there are dozens of other high-major coaches and at least half of them in our own league are better at winning than he is. Desire is great, but if you can't deliver on it, it's ultimately not very useful.
What do you mean when you say there are barriers around the program? Is that from a media access standpoint, in that Wojo does not allow his assistant coaches or players to be interviewed unless he's approved it? (Not saying he does or doesn't, just using that as a possible example.) I will say that it seems there are way fewer people on here who actually have inside info than there were before, like Big Daddy.
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What do you mean when you say there are barriers around the program? Is that from a media access standpoint, in that Wojo does not allow his assistant coaches or players to be interviewed unless he's approved it? (Not saying he does or doesn't, just using that as a possible example.) I will say that it seems there are way fewer people on here who actually have inside info than there were before, like Big Daddy.
Not sure it's Wojo holding the reins, but otherwise, pretty much this exactly.
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During the May 2019 press conference, Wojo and Scholl quickly went on the attack against the "Noise", their name for critics and almost certainly (I believe) referring to Scoop. "Noise" did not cause the season ending 1-6 collapse. "Noise" didn't cause the Hausers to leave. When asked about the Hausers departure, Wojo claimed to being completely surprised by it. This is probably true rather than simply a PR CYA. It showed how totally out of touch he was/is regarding what was really going on inside the team. His unhinged pre Murray State game "PLAY ANGRY!" speech was greeted by blank stares. Not one single player looked the least bit motivated by his rant. To me, he once again showed how out of touch with reality he often is.
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During the May 2019 press conference, Wojo and Scholl quickly went on the attack against the "Noise", their name for critics and almost certainly (I believe) referring to Scoop. "Noise" did not cause the season ending 1-6 collapse. "Noise" didn't cause the Hausers to leave. When asked about the Hausers departure, Wojo claimed to being completely surprised by it. This is probably true rather than simply a PR CYA. It showed how totally out of touch he was/is regarding what was really going on inside the team. His unhinged pre Murray State game "PLAY ANGRY!" speech was greeted by blank stares. Not one single player looked the least bit motivated by his rant. To me, he once again showed how out of touch with reality he often is.
Was the “noise” press conference the same one where Wojo talked about people getting out their pitchforks? I feel like it wasn’t. Press conferences and interviews are really not his thing.
Also, him saying he was “completely surprised” by the Hausers’ departure was a bold-faced lie.
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During the May 2019 press conference, Wojo and Scholl quickly went on the attack against the "Noise", their name for critics and almost certainly (I believe) referring to Scoop.
I know that the precious millennials here think it makes their voices heard. But most think that they need to suck it up. MU doesn't consider Scoop in it's business dealings. I mean, they appreciate us in the sense that "any publicity is good publicity", but that's it.
People underestimate MUScoop.
Like if there was a thread, We the Undersigned Demand a Coaching Change .. that gets to say, 50 signers, boom, done.
Well sure, but then we'd have to somehow verify all 50 signers weren't just chicos.
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During the May 2019 press conference, Wojo and Scholl quickly went on the attack against the "Noise", their name for critics and almost certainly (I believe) referring to Scoop. "Noise" did not cause the season ending 1-6 collapse. "Noise" didn't cause the Hausers to leave. When asked about the Hausers departure, Wojo claimed to being completely surprised by it. This is probably true rather than simply a PR CYA. It showed how totally out of touch he was/is regarding what was really going on inside the team. His unhinged pre Murray State game "PLAY ANGRY!" speech was greeted by blank stares. Not one single player looked the least bit motivated by his rant. To me, he once again showed how out of touch with reality he often is.
Does coach K. rant?
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I can personally attest to this statement. Wojo, or his colleagues have read scoop previously. I would know..
Hahahahaha
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Saying the administration does not care about MU Scoop does not mean they don’t hear the same opinions from those who, perhaps, do not post here.
Wojo has literally lived off his false reputation from Duke as a blue collar crazy competitor. Meanwhile, we’ve heard about his lunchtime hot yoga sessions, his sporty bicycle rides and how he takes weeks to pour over “every single game” from the previous year. Wojo is a fraud. I think he’s an awful, awful coach. We were told he stayed at Duke as an assistant for 10+ years because he was “waiting for the right opportunity.” What a bunch of horse sh*t. They were protecting the poor baby. Coach K handpicked Marquette because of the resources and because he thought Wojo could hide from criticism in Milwaukee. You can laugh about people criticizing his televised huddles, but they’re alarming. The Hausers leaving (and now thriving) is one of the worst things to
happen to this program ever. At every turn there are alarming examples of deep problems. Wojo will “lose” every team he ever coaches because he’s devoid of passion and cannot communicate. Wojo is a media/Duke created fraud. He completely miscast as a basketball coach. He ain’t Jay Wright! What a joke! At least Bob Dukiet could play the piano.
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PRN
Pretty much spot on. Well done.
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Saying the administration does not care about MU Scoop does not mean they don’t hear the same opinions from those who, perhaps, do not post here.
Wojo has literally lived off his false reputation from Duke as a blue collar crazy competitor. Meanwhile, we’ve heard about his lunchtime hot yoga sessions, his sporty bicycle rides and how he takes weeks to pour over “every single game” from the previous year. Wojo is a fraud. I think he’s an awful, awful coach. We were told he stayed at Duke as an assistant for 10+ years because he was “waiting for the right opportunity.” What a bunch of horse sh*t. They were protecting the poor baby. Coach K handpicked Marquette because of the resources and because he thought Wojo could hide from criticism in Milwaukee. You can laugh about people criticizing his televised huddles, but they’re alarming. The Hausers leaving (and now thriving) is one of the worst things to
happen to this program ever. At every turn there are alarming examples of deep problems. Wojo will “lose” every team he ever coaches because he’s devoid of passion and cannot communicate. Wojo is a media/Duke created fraud. He completely miscast as a basketball coach. He ain’t Jay Wright! What a joke! At least Bob Dukiet could play the piano.
...if only there was 🔥 Bulletin Board Material 🔥 for coaches. 🤔 💡
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Wojo is fine. I'm pretty convinced he would land on his feed at a struggling P6 program and get them to where he has MU now. I don't see any evidence that MU will fall out of the top 50 or so teams in the country in Wojo's tenure, however long it may be. MU will be a tournament team more often than not. But I also don't think we'll ever have a legitimate top 10 team under his watch.
This is what I feel. And I blame a lot on the administration who brings assistants (buzz, whatever) to their first real HC job and lets them learn on the fly. I also feel there is some Duke arrogance to where he is above criticism because of the pedigree.
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I know that the precious millennials here think it makes their voices heard. But most think that they need to suck it up. MU doesn't consider Scoop in it's business dealings. I mean, they appreciate us in the sense that "any publicity is good publicity", but that's it.
Well sure, but then we'd have to somehow verify all 50 signers weren't just chicos.
I hope you mean zoomers!
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Saying the administration does not care about MU Scoop does not mean they don’t hear the same opinions from those who, perhaps, do not post here.
Wojo has literally lived off his false reputation from Duke as a blue collar crazy competitor. Meanwhile, we’ve heard about his lunchtime hot yoga sessions, his sporty bicycle rides and how he takes weeks to pour over “every single game” from the previous year. Wojo is a fraud. I think he’s an awful, awful coach. We were told he stayed at Duke as an assistant for 10+ years because he was “waiting for the right opportunity.” What a bunch of horse sh*t. They were protecting the poor baby. Coach K handpicked Marquette because of the resources and because he thought Wojo could hide from criticism in Milwaukee. You can laugh about people criticizing his televised huddles, but they’re alarming. The Hausers leaving (and now thriving) is one of the worst things to
happen to this program ever. At every turn there are alarming examples of deep problems. Wojo will “lose” every team he ever coaches because he’s devoid of passion and cannot communicate. Wojo is a media/Duke created fraud. He completely miscast as a basketball coach. He ain’t Jay Wright! What a joke! At least Bob Dukiet could play the piano.
Solid bro, solid. As four Woj, his Xmas house decorations are pretty nice, hey?
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Wojo has absolutely not created divisiveness amongst our fans. We do that. With our speculation about his “feature” system and what fragile ego du-jour he isn’t placating. I wish we would all just let him coach. He wants to win big here, and he loves it at Marquette.
Who's not letting him coach?
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Wojo has absolutely not created divisiveness amongst our fans. We do that. With our speculation about his “feature” system and what fragile ego du-jour he isn’t placating. I wish we would all just let him coach. He wants to win big here, and he loves it at Marquette.
Coach O’Neill or Buzz, I could see if someone used the term “divisive”, as those guys didn’t give the average fan much direct access, and there was always the sense of a highly-insulated circle around the team. Wojo is producing student athletes who don’t have a sense of entitlement relative to the student body. I think because he’s a product of Duke, people just assume he’s arrogant or aloof. Not at all the case. Certainly not divisive.
He's had 7 years. What do we have to show for it? He wants to win big here, but can't demonstrate that he can. He loves it at Marquette because his leash is long, the pay is great, and the resources are plentiful.
If you can't understand why some fans are upset with results, then you're not paying attention or you're simply an apologist. What would you like? Three more years, for an even decade, to figure out that Wojo doesn't get it? Maybe another 7 more years because he's such a damn good representative of the University.
What, exactly, is your tipping point? Any criteria?
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During the May 2019 press conference, Wojo and Scholl quickly went on the attack against the "Noise", their name for critics and almost certainly (I believe) referring to Scoop. "Noise" did not cause the season ending 1-6 collapse. "Noise" didn't cause the Hausers to leave. When asked about the Hausers departure, Wojo claimed to being completely surprised by it. This is probably true rather than simply a PR CYA. It showed how totally out of touch he was/is regarding what was really going on inside the team. His unhinged pre Murray State game "PLAY ANGRY!" speech was greeted by blank stares. Not one single player looked the least bit motivated by his rant. To me, he once again showed how out of touch with reality he often is.
In retrospect, his career at MU peaked on February 25, 2019. On that day, they were newly ranked #10 in the country, having beat Providence on the road handily. Two days later, they lost a tough game on the road at Nova. Hardly an bad loss. But what followed was just one more win, v. St. John's in the BET, in a season that had so much promise. In mid April, the Hausers announced they were leaving.
So in 7-8 weeks, he went from #10 in the country to everything crumbling.
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Wojo has absolutely not created divisiveness amongst our fans. We do that. With our speculation about his “feature” system and what fragile ego du-jour he isn’t placating. I wish we would all just let him coach. He wants to win big here, and he loves it at Marquette.
Coach O’Neill or Buzz, I could see if someone used the term “divisive”, as those guys didn’t give the average fan much direct access, and there was always the sense of a highly-insulated circle around the team. Wojo is producing student athletes who don’t have a sense of entitlement relative to the student body. I think because he’s a product of Duke, people just assume he’s arrogant or aloof. Not at all the case. Certainly not divisive.
I am going to let Herm Edwards answer this for me in 47 seconds:
https://youtu.be/W42iiCcFbxE
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Saying the administration does not care about MU Scoop does not mean they don’t hear the same opinions from those who, perhaps, do not post here.
Wojo has literally lived off his false reputation from Duke as a blue collar crazy competitor. Meanwhile, we’ve heard about his lunchtime hot yoga sessions, his sporty bicycle rides and how he takes weeks to pour over “every single game” from the previous year. Wojo is a fraud. I think he’s an awful, awful coach. We were told he stayed at Duke as an assistant for 10+ years because he was “waiting for the right opportunity.” What a bunch of horse sh*t. They were protecting the poor baby. Coach K handpicked Marquette because of the resources and because he thought Wojo could hide from criticism in Milwaukee. You can laugh about people criticizing his televised huddles, but they’re alarming. The Hausers leaving (and now thriving) is one of the worst things to
happen to this program ever. At every turn there are alarming examples of deep problems. Wojo will “lose” every team he ever coaches because he’s devoid of passion and cannot communicate. Wojo is a media/Duke created fraud. He completely miscast as a basketball coach. He ain’t Jay Wright! What a joke! At least Bob Dukiet could play the piano.
There's a lot I agree with in here but I don't see what's wrong with the Yoga or Bicycling. I don't personally do yoga but there's a lot of evidence it helps with your joints and flexibility as you age. Furthermore we're going to fault a guy for biking? That just seems stupid. Every person whether they're a failing salesperson failing CEO or failing Coach has their right to their own hobbies and fitness routine. There's more than enough to criticize without just being an A$$ about his personal life
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Saying the administration does not care about MU Scoop does not mean they don’t hear the same opinions from those who, perhaps, do not post here.
Wojo has literally lived off his false reputation from Duke as a blue collar crazy competitor. Meanwhile, we’ve heard about his lunchtime hot yoga sessions, his sporty bicycle rides and how he takes weeks to pour over “every single game” from the previous year. Wojo is a fraud. I think he’s an awful, awful coach. We were told he stayed at Duke as an assistant for 10+ years because he was “waiting for the right opportunity.” What a bunch of horse sh*t. They were protecting the poor baby. Coach K handpicked Marquette because of the resources and because he thought Wojo could hide from criticism in Milwaukee. You can laugh about people criticizing his televised huddles, but they’re alarming. The Hausers leaving (and now thriving) is one of the worst things to
happen to this program ever. At every turn there are alarming examples of deep problems. Wojo will “lose” every team he ever coaches because he’s devoid of passion and cannot communicate. Wojo is a media/Duke created fraud. He completely miscast as a basketball coach. He ain’t Jay Wright! What a joke! At least Bob Dukiet could play the piano.
None of the above should be a hot take. Nailed it.
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There's a lot I agree with in here but I don't see what's wrong with the Yoga or Bicycling. I don't personally do yoga but there's a lot of evidence it helps with your joints and flexibility as you age. Furthermore we're going to fault a guy for biking? That just seems stupid. Every person whether they're a failing salesperson failing CEO or failing Coach has their right to their own hobbies and fitness routine. There's more than enough to criticize without just being an A$$ about his personal life
Nothing wrong with these things per se. I believe, and I don't want to put words in PRN mouth, the point here is those are just part of the facade they keep him around. "Look at our down to earth coach - he's got time for yoga and bike ride - and all the kids graduate!" Yeah that's awesome but how's the basketball?
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I am going to let Herm Edwards answer this for me in 47 seconds:
https://youtu.be/W42iiCcFbxE
If only someone would've just "let Herm Edwards coach".
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There's a lot I agree with in here but I don't see what's wrong with the Yoga or Bicycling. I don't personally do yoga but there's a lot of evidence it helps with your joints and flexibility as you age. Furthermore we're going to fault a guy for biking? That just seems stupid. Every person whether they're a failing salesperson failing CEO or failing Coach has their right to their own hobbies and fitness routine. There's more than enough to criticize without just being an A$$ about his personal life
Didn't you get the implication? Yoga and Biking are not values of Marquette. Wojo should instead aspire to pound beers, eat sausages by the truckload, and wipe his ass with a towel. NOW THAT'S BLUE COLLAR. According to the white collars here.
The older guys around here get so close sometimes.
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Please continue to play dumb. I don’t have anything against yoga or biking. Knock yourself out. What I’m saying is Wojo sure as sh*t ain’t the gym rat his reputation suggests. He’s far from it. He’s basically a candy-as5, who is more comfortable in a country club than a locker room. He can’t relate to these kids in any way, shape or form. And not only can he not relate or connect, it is apparent to me he doesn’t even try.
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Please continue to play dumb. I don’t have anything against yoga or biking. Knock yourself out. What I’m saying is Wojo sure as sh*t ain’t the gym rat his reputation suggests. He’s far from it. He’s basically a candy-as5, who is more comfortable in a country club than a locker room. He can’t relate to these kids in any way, shape or form. And not only can he not relate or connect, it is apparent to me he doesn’t even try.
That's why Stan's loss is especially hurtful.
Anyone remember when Sacar, sitting next to Wojo, abruptly left a presser? I've never seen anything like that before.
Anyone remember the white t-shirt fiasco? How Sandy, DuWil, etc., felt like fools after Wojo explicitly said "oh that? Hah, that was basically a gimmick." I slapped my forehead so hard, my neighbor came over to ask what happened.
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Please continue to play dumb. I don’t have anything against yoga or biking. Knock yourself out. What I’m saying is Wojo sure as sh*t ain’t the gym rat his reputation suggests. He’s far from it. He’s basically a candy-as5, who is more comfortable in a country club than a locker room. He can’t relate to these kids in any way, shape or form. And not only can he not relate or connect, it is apparent to me he doesn’t even try.
Here I'll disagree. I think he is the gym rat, and that's part of the problem. He's more focused on playing hard that strategies that lead to winning. His staff is built with thoughts of noon ball and getting along with kids rather than tactics.
I think that might be the disconnect. Effort & camraderie only gets you so far when the opponents have effort, camraderie, and winning tactics.
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Please continue to play dumb. I don’t have anything against yoga or biking. Knock yourself out. What I’m saying is Wojo sure as sh*t ain’t the gym rat his reputation suggests. He’s far from it. He’s basically a candy-as5, who is more comfortable in a country club than a locker room. He can’t relate to these kids in any way, shape or form. And not only can he not relate or connect, it is apparent to me he doesn’t even try.
The evidence over the course of Wojo's post-playing career does, unfortunately, imply that he's a candy a$$. I recall reading an article that talked about how Wojo went to Europe to play after he was done at Duke, realized after a few months that he had no future as a player, and quickly went back to the soft bubble of Coach K's program.
His job as an assistant at Duke was a sweet one. Very low stakes--just set the table for Coach K to swoop in and sign top recruits and say "yes" to everything the great man wanted when it came to actual game prep and coaching. And Coach K likely wouldn't have had it any other way. By all accounts, that's how he rolls when it comes to his fiefdom. For this, Wojo earned six figures and got to live on Duke's beautiful campus for the better part of two decades.
What I'm saying is, it's no surprise Wojo isn't the lunchpail guy he was when he arrived on Duke's campus as a player. He wasn't a grinder like Buzz or Crean were when they got the MU gig.
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I believe Buzz played racquet ball at Straz a lot. I would see him as I was walking back to my dorm pretty regularly. Obviously coaches need outlets, so I don’t have too much of a problem. Although, the focus on the noon ball became a bit much.
The Tee-shirt thing has always bugged me. The guys seemed to really respond to it, and then to sort of make fun of it as a gimmick was not great. Of course it’s a gimmick, but don’t publicly say that after your guys seemed to really embrace it.
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Please continue to play dumb. I don’t have anything against yoga or biking. Knock yourself out. What I’m saying is Wojo sure as sh*t ain’t the gym rat his reputation suggests. He’s far from it. He’s basically a candy-as5, who is more comfortable in a country club than a locker room. He can’t relate to these kids in any way, shape or form. And not only can he not relate or connect, it is apparent to me he doesn’t even try.
Yeah I don't think this is the case at all. You were driving ball well for awhile there, but trying to hit this Par 5 in two was a little too much for you.
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With the talent on the roster, this team should be a top 25 team. Just based on that alone. If properly coached with a good offensive scheme, even better than top 20.
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With the talent on the roster, this team should be a top 25 team. Just based on that alone. If properly coached with a good offensive scheme, even better than top 20.
+1
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With the talent on the roster, this team should be a top 25 team. Just based on that alone. If properly coached with a good offensive scheme, even better than top 20.
Methinks we overrate the talent on this team.
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Was the “noise” press conference the same one where Wojo talked about people getting out their pitchforks? I feel like it wasn’t. Press conferences and interviews are really not his thing.
Also, him saying he was “completely surprised” by the Hausers’ departure was a bold-faced lie.
I think he was expecting the Hausers to stay and Howard to go pro. So he was surprised when Howard pulled his name out of the draft and the Hausers did not give Wojo a chance to talked to them about it.
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With the talent on the roster, this team should be a top 25 team. Just based on that alone. If properly coached with a good offensive scheme, even better than top 20.
Yeah I am not sure about that.
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With the talent on the roster, this team should be a top 25 team. Just based on that alone. If properly coached with a good offensive scheme, even better than top 20.
This is where I disagree. I think we overrate MU's talent level. Tonight you will see the Badgers are better at all five positions. Now, when I think of talent I include the experience factor. Experience matters a lot. If it did not matter, Kentucky and Duke would of won the last 10 national championships.
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This is where I disagree. I think we overrate MU's talent level. Tonight you will see the Badgers are better at all five positions. Now, when I think of talent I include the experience factor. Experience matters a lot. If it did not matter, Kentucky and Duke would of won the last 10 national championships.
I can see where this can be a thought process. However, either the recruits are being way overrated, or when they get to college they are just too overwhelmed to compete. I think it could be a mix of both, because how else can we explain highly touted recruits looking like deer in the headlights, year after year?
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I can see where this can be a thought process. However, either the recruits are being way overrated, or when they get to college they are just too overwhelmed to compete. I think it could be a mix of both, because how else can we explain highly touted recruits looking like deer in the headlights, year after year?
Like who?
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Tonight you will see the Badgers are better at all five positions.
Dawson Garcia is better than anyone the Badgers have and definitely better than Nate Reuvers. If you put Garcia and Reuvers on the same team with the same coach, Reuvers becomes a 6th man.
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Dawson Garcia is better than anyone the Badgers have and definitely better than Nate Reuvers. If you put Garcia and Reuvers on the same team with the same coach, Reuvers becomes a 6th man.
We can talk about this after tonight's game.
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Dawson Garcia is better than anyone the Badgers have and definitely better than Nate Reuvers. If you put Garcia and Reuvers on the same team with the same coach, Reuvers becomes a 6th man.
Uh.... Reuvers was pre season All Big Ten. Statements like this make you look like a loon.
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Dawson Garcia is better than anyone the Badgers have and definitely better than Nate Reuvers. If you put Garcia and Reuvers on the same team with the same coach, Reuvers becomes a 6th man.
I think Garcia will ultimately be the better player and have a superior pro career. Reuvers will have the better game tonight.
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Uh.... Reuvers was pre season All Big Ten. Statements like this make you look like a loon.
Let's see how Garcia plays against Reuvers tonight and re-visit.
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In retrospect, his career at MU peaked on February 25, 2019. On that day, they were newly ranked #10 in the country, having beat Providence on the road handily. Two days later, they lost a tough game on the road at Nova. Hardly an bad loss. But what followed was just one more win, v. St. John's in the BET, in a season that had so much promise. In mid April, the Hausers announced they were leaving.
So in 7-8 weeks, he went from #10 in the country to everything crumbling.
Immediately after that game I booked two flights to NYC for the Saturday night of the BET for my then 10 year & I. It is why I cannot talk / think rationally about the Seton Hall semi's loss. I was planning on 24 hours in New York including MSG with my son watching MU play for the Big East title. I can't dream a better dream.
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Please continue to play dumb. I don’t have anything against yoga or biking. Knock yourself out. What I’m saying is Wojo sure as sh*t ain’t the gym rat his reputation suggests. He’s far from it. He’s basically a candy-as5, who is more comfortable in a country club than a locker room. He can’t relate to these kids in any way, shape or form. And not only can he not relate or connect, it is apparent to me he doesn’t even try.
Yeah, if you actually talk to the players on the roster, you would know that none of this is true.
Look there are plenty of reasons to knock Wojo. You don't need to make $hit up.
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Yeah, if you actually talk to the players on the roster, you would know that none of this is true.
Look there are plenty of reasons to knock Wojo. You don't need to make $hit up.
What were Harry Froling’s feelings on the subject? Or the Hausers, hey?
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What were Harry Froling’s feelings on the subject? Or the Hausers, hey?
That's sort of a gotcha thing. Do we consider buzz good at relating to players? What about all his transfers? Crean's? There's plenty of reasons transfers leave.
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That's sort of a gotcha thing. Do we consider buzz good at relating to players? What about all his transfers? Crean's? There's plenty of reasons transfers leave.
Jimmy Butler swears by Buzz, I’m sure Steve Taylor feels different. Ditto for Crean and D-Wade as opposed to Wes Matthews. Ask a player on any current roster for any team, and you’re not gonna find too many guys who’ll go on the record saying bad things about their coach.
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What were Harry Froling’s feelings on the subject? Or the Hausers, hey?
It doesn't matter. PRN is claiming he can't relate to players in any way. I'm not claiming Wojo can relate to every player ever. He does relate very well to most of the players he's recruited
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Also, him saying he was “completely surprised” by the Hausers’ departure was a bold-faced lie.
Let's just say he did a horrible job reading the room.
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Silent Verbal
Well stated posts on the topic. There is nothing quite like the excitement of a big MU game and I have enjoyed it for decades as well. Sadly, while I come from a very large family of MU grads (over 20 grads between my family and my wife's), the program has lost it's luster to almost all of them. Season tickets not renewed, attending less and less games and a general blah attitude towards the program. Five years ago I could have called 10+ family members/friends after a big game and chalk talked the game and I loved it. Today I have one brother in law (a lurker on here) that really cares and probably the only family member that cares at the moment.
MU can do whatever they want and wish them well, but I think they have taken a very loyal fan base for granted for a long time and I hope it does not bite them in the ass. MU has enough problems at the moment and losing the segment of the fan base is not something they can afford to have happen.
It has already bit MU oin the ass, Goose.
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Let's just say he did a horrible job reading the room., Mom. FIFY
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The parents get a lot of blame but their kids ended up farther away, at different schools and at programs where the team is emphasized far more than the individual. It wasn't like some power play to get them to Madison or go chuck shots at Iowa State or Nebraska.
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Let's say we are not "ok with this."
What do you suggest we do?
Fire him and start over. It sucks, I know, but he isn't cutting it now, and won't cut in the near future (5 - 10 years). Marquette Basketball would be obsolete by that point. Even starring down another 4-5 year rebuild, I still believe a new coach is our best path forward.
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His performance off the court, how he was ahead of the curve supporting his players during the unrest during the late spring, his being the anti-Buzz when it comes to getting investigated by the NCAA, are taken very seriously by the powers that be at MU.
Why do "Projo's" always use this excuse. It's not an either/or. It can be an "and". look no further than Wisconsin. Gard has stayed out of the media AND has a top 5 program.
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Why do "Projo's" always use this excuse. It's not an either/or. It can be an "and". look no further than Wisconsin. Gard has stayed out of the media AND has a top 5 program.
He didn't say it was an either/or. Reread tower's post.
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Why do "Projo's" always use this excuse. It's not an either/or. It can be an "and". look no further than Wisconsin. Gard has stayed out of the media AND has a top 5 program.
I do not think Projo's use this excuse. They are saying that he will be fired because the MU higher ups want it to be this way. MU higher ups do not want another Buzz situation.
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There's a lot I agree with in here but I don't see what's wrong with the Yoga or Bicycling. I don't personally do yoga but there's a lot of evidence it helps with your joints and flexibility as you age. Furthermore we're going to fault a guy for biking? That just seems stupid. Every person whether they're a failing salesperson failing CEO or failing Coach has their right to their own hobbies and fitness routine. There's more than enough to criticize without just being an A$$ about his personal life
The whole false machismo of "biking isnt manly or grinding" has never tried to actually ride in a competitive manner in their lives. It's a painful crapshow of pain if you're actually training right.
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Fire him and start over. It sucks, I know, but he isn't cutting it now, and won't cut in the near future (5 - 10 years). Marquette Basketball would be obsolete by that point. Even starring down another 4-5 year rebuild, I still believe a new coach is our best path forward.
When I asked, “What do you suggest we do?” the WE I was referring to was not Marquette.
The WE I meant was you, me and other Scoopers.
And last I heard, for better or worse, fans don’t have the power to fire and hire coaches.
Given the side conversation some of our fellow Scoopers had about Nova fans wanting to fire Jay Wright, I think it’s probably for better.
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When I asked, “What do you suggest we do?” the WE I was referring to was not Marquette.
The WE I meant was you, me and other Scoopers.
And last I heard, for better or worse, fans don’t have the power to fire and hire coaches.
Given the side conversation some of our fellow Scoopers had about Nova fans wanting to fire Jay Wright, I think it’s probably for better.
Then you've never seen a Scoop letter writing campaign!
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Then you've never seen a Scoop letter writing campaign!
I mean, I make fun of importance here. But it is a fact that if the Hausers had gotten Scoop on board with their letter it would have been successful.
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Why do "Projo's" always use this excuse. It's not an either/or. It can be an "and". look no further than Wisconsin. Gard has stayed out of the media AND has a top 5 program.
Gard still has his Wisconsin bridges.
Wojo burned all of the Wisconsin bridges (Burton, DuWil, Ellensons, Hausers)
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Saying the administration does not care about MU Scoop does not mean they don’t hear the same opinions from those who, perhaps, do not post here.
Wojo has literally lived off his false reputation from Duke as a blue collar crazy competitor. Meanwhile, we’ve heard about his lunchtime hot yoga sessions, his sporty bicycle rides and how he takes weeks to pour over “every single game” from the previous year. Wojo is a fraud. I think he’s an awful, awful coach. We were told he stayed at Duke as an assistant for 10+ years because he was “waiting for the right opportunity.” What a bunch of horse sh*t. They were protecting the poor baby. Coach K handpicked Marquette because of the resources and because he thought Wojo could hide from criticism in Milwaukee. You can laugh about people criticizing his televised huddles, but they’re alarming. The Hausers leaving (and now thriving) is one of the worst things to
happen to this program ever. At every turn there are alarming examples of deep problems. Wojo will “lose” every team he ever coaches because he’s devoid of passion and cannot communicate. Wojo is a media/Duke created fraud. He completely miscast as a basketball coach. He ain’t Jay Wright! What a joke! At least Bob Dukiet could play the piano.
Chirp Chirp
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12/4/20
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MU loses. People act like it is impossible, should never happen, is a personal insult. Blame the coach. Nothing new or original.