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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: jesmu84 on December 02, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
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What are people's thoughts on Christmas gathering?
I'll give my specific situation and would value input.
Both of my parents had covid a month ago and have recovered well. My wife and I each work in healthcare. One of my sister's familes includes virtual learning daughters, a WFH parent and a firefighter. The other family is virtual learning sons and 2 WFH parents.
If everyone quarantines for 2 weeks leading up to a get-together and my wife and I get tested, would that be about as low risk as we could get?
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My daughter has already made the decision to not come home. With the amount of COVID that went through my family in November and ongoing, my sibs and parents are weighing whether we can get away with it. Have not committed either way yet.
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I believe I've stated we're hosting a "christkindlemart" style Christmas at my new house. Have two outdoor bar heaters 48k BTU each and a big built in bonfire pit plus a garage heater with a garage that has two doors. Going to decorate, make warm Christmas/winter cocktails (gluwein, hot buttered rum, Irish coffee, hot whiskey), and potato pancakes, German sausages, candied nuts, etc.
So everyone should be safe unless people get weirdly close. And should be fairly comfortable unless it's polar vortex cold or ungodly windy
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bar heaters 48k IBU each
Those are some SERIOUSLY hoppy bar heaters!
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We are the same as Thanksgiving - just the 4 of us with video conferencing with the family.
We have started sending weekly gifts to our parents for extra touchpoints - KC BBQ, bulbed plants that will bloom over the winter, tickets to remote performances (great way to support your local ballet, playhouse, or orchestra), etc. but we are very much in the same mode we've been in since March - lockdown with only verified or necessary exceptions and then with full precautions.
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Those are some SERIOUSLY hoppy bar heaters!
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Lmfao mad props for spotting my slip up and making that joke. Don't try a light beer under those and you'll end up with a DIPA
*BTU is what I was meant to say.
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It will probably be just Glow and me, as well as Chick Jr., who just got over Covid.
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Be careful, fellow Scoopers.
I just saw a stat that said if you have 10 people at your house, there is a 51% chance that one of them is positive for Covid.
Is a party worth it?
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We did an outdoor lunch for Thanksgiving with my Mom and 3 siblings + their families. Quick 45 minute lunch outside and spread a part. Then when all went our own ways for dinner. Christmas will probably be the same.
Did I miss spending 12 hours at my folks' house eating drinking as much as possible? Having my Mom make a huge feast and my Dad serve bloody mary's? You bet! But on the other hand we celebrated a rare holiday where it was just my wife and our 3 kids. We busted out the china, taught the kids how to set a fancy table, figured out how to make a reasonable Thanksgiving spread and played a marathon of Monopoly.
I missed all my extended Fam but I know that it will be a Thanksgiving that my kids will never forget and probably fondly remember.
It's one year.
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We did an outdoor lunch for Thanksgiving with my Mom and 3 siblings + their families. Quick 45 minute lunch outside and spread a part. Then when all went our own ways for dinner. Christmas will probably be the same.
Did I miss spending 12 hours at my folks' house eating drinking as much as possible? Having my Mom make a huge feast and my Dad serve bloody mary's? You bet! But on the other hand we celebrated a rare holiday where it was just my wife and our 3 kids. We busted out the china, taught the kids how to set a fancy table, figured out how to make a reasonable Thanksgiving spread and played a marathon of Monopoly.
I missed all my extended Fam but I know that it will be a Thanksgiving that my kids will never forget and probably fondly remember.
It's one year.
That is a very reasonable and healthy perspective. As I look back on my life, some of the most memorable events occurred when it looked like everything had gone sideways.
The honeymoon where we seriously underestimated how expensive things were at our resort, and ended up having to eat cereal from a local grocery store for 2 meals a day, and ended up having to split one hot dog for lunch on our way home.
The trip to Paris where we overslept and missed a tour we had REALLY been looking forward to, and ended up improvising on what our entire family still agrees was 'our best vacation day ever.'
Take what life gives you, and make the most of it....
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We did an outdoor lunch for Thanksgiving with my Mom and 3 siblings + their families. Quick 45 minute lunch outside and spread a part. Then when all went our own ways for dinner. Christmas will probably be the same.
Did I miss spending 12 hours at my folks' house eating drinking as much as possible? Having my Mom make a huge feast and my Dad serve bloody mary's? You bet! But on the other hand we celebrated a rare holiday where it was just my wife and our 3 kids. We busted out the china, taught the kids how to set a fancy table, figured out how to make a reasonable Thanksgiving spread and played a marathon of Monopoly.
I missed all my extended Fam but I know that it will be a Thanksgiving that my kids will never forget and probably fondly remember.
It's one year.
I love this, Lens. What a great attitude, and an important lesson in perspective.
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The Lens
We were planning on having all of our kids, spouses and two new granddaughters for Thanksgiving and it ended up being me, my wife and oldest daughter at the table. Remaining three kids all came and took carryout courtesy of Mom's hard work and we all had a blast during the hour window for picking up their meals. While not we wanted or expected, we made the best of it and it will be a Thanksgiving we never forget.
As for Xmas, hoping to everybody home but expecting a repeat of Thanksgiving. We have bit the bullet for nearly nine months now and can hack another few months if needed. Not like me to be terribly responsible but I believe the right thing to do at the moment.
Note--our Thanksgiving plans changed due to Covid exposures in our family earlier that week. No Covid scare and we would have been together.
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well, our work "party" will be done via Zoom.
I didn't plan to go to see my family anyway (5 hour flight plut 1.5 hour drive from the airport) and my wife and I don't have much of a relationship with hers so it doesn't change things for us. This past weekend we spent with our friends north of Seattle - stayed in, drank, and ate, and may do the same again. 4 of us plus two kids. He's a dentist and tests frequently and I'm tested for work too so we felt comfortable doing it.
We've lived away from our families for so long it's really not a big deal for us.
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Oof. New case record and new death record today (Thursday...). Please stay home for Christmas folks....I'd like to get my life back to normal-ish sooner than later...
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9/11 level of deaths.
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Merry Effen Xmas ...
From the AP:
Unemployment has forced aching decisions on millions of Americans and their families in the face of a rampaging viral pandemic that has closed shops and restaurants, paralyzed travel and left millions jobless for months. Now, their predicaments stand to grow bleaker yet if Congress fails to extend two unemployment programs that are set to expire the day after Christmas.
If no agreement is reached in negotiations taking place on Capitol Hill, more than 9 million people will lose federal jobless aid that averages about $320 a week and that typically serves as their only source of income.
The end of jobless aid is approaching at an especially perilous time. Job growth slowed sharply in November, and the resurgence of viral cases appears to be out of control across the country.
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With our current 7-day average approaching 2,200 deaths/day, we have a person dying from Covid in the US approximately every 40 seconds.
In the few brief minutes it took me to do the calculation and make this post, several people died.
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Happy Effen Holidays ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/07/unemployed-debt-rent-utilities/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F2d5d62e%2F5fce5b7b9d2fda0efb816f38%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F15%2F69%2F5fce5b7b9d2fda0efb816f38
Millions of Americans who lost their jobs during the pandemic have fallen thousands of dollars behind on rent and utility bills, a warning sign that people are running out of money for basic needs.
Nearly 12 million renters will owe an average of $5,850 in back rent and utilities by January, Moody’s Analytics warns. Last month 9 million renters said they were behind on rent, according to a Census Bureau survey.
The numbers were especially high for families with children, with 21 percent falling behind on rent, and among families of color. About 29 percent of Black families and 17 percent of Hispanic renters were behind, the Census Bureau reported. A separate analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, looking at people who had jobs before the pandemic, found 1.3 million such households are now an average of $5,400 in debt on rent and utilities, after those people had lost jobs and their family’s income plunged.
Economists say these data points show the failure of the U.S. safety net during this crisis, which is inflicting economic pain that will hurt families for years.
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Certainly a lot more economic damage than an increased federal debt would incur.
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Merry Freakin' Xmas ...
A maskless Santa Claus who greeted about a dozen families has tested positive for COVID-19, South Carolina officials say.
The man received a coronavirus diagnosis after playing the role of Santa at a children’s photo opportunity last weekend in Fountain Inn, according to officials in the city roughly 20 miles southeast of Greenville.
“We sincerely regret this situation and apologize for this inconvenience,” Fountain Inn wrote on its website.
Sunday’s outdoor event, called Sensory Santa, was designed for children with special needs. It was the first year for the city-sponsored activity, which required registration and drew about 10 or 15 families, according to City Administrator Shawn Bell.
“Santa was not wearing a mask,” Bell told McClatchy News in a phone interview Friday. “He at the time was not experiencing any symptoms whatsoever. It wasn’t until later that evening that he found out that he had some limited contact with a relative who had tested positive.”
Upon hearing about the possible exposure, Bell said, officials notified families who went to the event. After the positive test results, the city has urged families who were at Sensory Santa to reach out to their doctors.
“Those in attendance and participants, whether or not they chose to wear masks, should take every precaution and contact their health provider immediately to be tested for Covid-19,” the city said on its website.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends anyone who spends more than 15 minutes near an infected person stay at home and check for coronavirus symptoms, which include fever and cough.
To help slow the spread of the virus, health officials say everyone should wear face coverings in public. That’s because the virus can be transmitted through particles released when someone who is sick speaks, breathes, coughs or sneezes.
While Fountain Inn doesn’t have a mandatory face mask ordinance, the city council earlier this year passed a resolution to encourage face coverings. Masks weren’t required at the recent event, which was held outdoors and had a rope serving as a barrier between attendees and the Santa character, according to Bell.
“In retrospect, we wish Santa would have been wearing a mask,” the city administrator said.
It’s not the only time someone playing the role of Santa received a positive COVID-19 test result.
On Monday, officials in Georgia announced a Santa tested positive for the disease after taking photos with dozens of kids, McClatchy News reported.
In November, a North Carolina town was getting ready for the holiday season when a man known as “Santa Jim” contracted COVID-19 and died.
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Santa has to be concerned because he has a bunch of co-morbidities. And I watched Rudolph. Those elves live, work and sing close to one another and I doubt Santa modified his operation to create proper distancing and ventilation.
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Bad Santa. Literally.
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Merry Freakin' Xmas ...
A maskless Santa Claus who greeted about a dozen families has tested positive for COVID-19, South Carolina officials say.
The man received a coronavirus diagnosis after playing the role of Santa at a children’s photo opportunity last weekend in Fountain Inn, according to officials in the city roughly 20 miles southeast of Greenville.
“We sincerely regret this situation and apologize for this inconvenience,” Fountain Inn wrote on its website.
Sunday’s outdoor event, called Sensory Santa, was designed for children with special needs. It was the first year for the city-sponsored activity, which required registration and drew about 10 or 15 families, according to City Administrator Shawn Bell.
“Santa was not wearing a mask,” Bell told McClatchy News in a phone interview Friday. “He at the time was not experiencing any symptoms whatsoever. It wasn’t until later that evening that he found out that he had some limited contact with a relative who had tested positive.”
Upon hearing about the possible exposure, Bell said, officials notified families who went to the event. After the positive test results, the city has urged families who were at Sensory Santa to reach out to their doctors.
“Those in attendance and participants, whether or not they chose to wear masks, should take every precaution and contact their health provider immediately to be tested for Covid-19,” the city said on its website.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends anyone who spends more than 15 minutes near an infected person stay at home and check for coronavirus symptoms, which include fever and cough.
To help slow the spread of the virus, health officials say everyone should wear face coverings in public. That’s because the virus can be transmitted through particles released when someone who is sick speaks, breathes, coughs or sneezes.
While Fountain Inn doesn’t have a mandatory face mask ordinance, the city council earlier this year passed a resolution to encourage face coverings. Masks weren’t required at the recent event, which was held outdoors and had a rope serving as a barrier between attendees and the Santa character, according to Bell.
“In retrospect, we wish Santa would have been wearing a mask,” the city administrator said.
It’s not the only time someone playing the role of Santa received a positive COVID-19 test result.
On Monday, officials in Georgia announced a Santa tested positive for the disease after taking photos with dozens of kids, McClatchy News reported.
In November, a North Carolina town was getting ready for the holiday season when a man known as “Santa Jim” contracted COVID-19 and died.
“Apologize for the inconvenience.”
You know the inconvenience of possibly transmitting a deadly disease to your special needs child.
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“Apologize for the inconvenience.”
You know the inconvenience of possibly transmitting a deadly disease to your special needs child.
Who then "inconveniently" passes it on to grandma and grandpa....
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I was bummed I didn't get a picture of my kids with Santa this year but this story reminds me it was a good idea we skipped it. How can anyone think having a Santa with no mask on was a good idea either?
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I was bummed I didn't get a picture of my kids with Santa this year but this story reminds me it was a good idea we skipped it. How can anyone think having a Santa with no mask on was a good idea either?
Peeple iz stoopid.
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Xmas has bin kansilled dis yeer, hey?
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Xmas has bin kansilled dis yeer, hey?
Ownlee buy smart peeples. Uthurs r freee 2 chooz too kill grammie n grampz
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Nads, normally I would agree with your statement. But, I'm now at the point where, grandparents, those who are immuno-compromised, have comorbidities, or otherwise are covid crazed, need to protect themselves and stay away. Others should carry on as normally as possible and enjoy, hey?
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Nads, normally I would agree with your statement. But, I'm now at the point where, grandparents, those who are immuno-compromised, have comorbidities, or otherwise are covid crazed, need to protect themselves and stay away. Others should carry on as normally as possible and enjoy, hey?
Pretty hard to carry on as normal when not everyone has the ability to simply isolate themselves from society.
Honestly I think that should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point but... 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Nads, normally I would agree with your statement. But, I'm now at the point where, grandparents, those who are immuno-compromised, have comorbidities, or otherwise are covid crazed, need to protect themselves and stay away. Others should carry on as normally as possible and enjoy, hey?
"I don't live in a multigenerational home so nobody else does, right? Definitely not essential workers, they're at work because they want to be right? Right guys? Having just the one Christmas is more important than the millions of people living in apartment buildings, right? Just enjoy yourselves in your McMansions everyone!"
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Someone's crying Lord, kumbaya . Someone's angry Lord, kumbaya.
Someone's bitter Lord, kumbaya.
Oh, Lord kumbaya, hey?
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Someone's crying Lord, kumbaya . Someone's angry Lord, kumbaya.
Someone's bitter Lord, kumbaya.
Oh, Lord kumbaya, hey?
I’m none of those. I’m simply amazed that you can’t figure out that your idea doesn’t work.
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Nads, normally I would agree with your statement. But, I'm now at the point where, grandparents, those who are immuno-compromised, have comorbidities, or otherwise are covid crazed, need to protect themselves and stay away. Others should carry on as normally as possible and enjoy, hey?
'As normally as possible?' Sure...as long as it takes into account the very real world we are living in right now.
And it certainly is possible to continue many normal holiday traditions while still exercising a little bit of common sense in the midst of a global pandemic. Like having Santa and the kids all wear masks...hey?
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Nads, normally I would agree with your statement. But, I'm now at the point where, grandparents, those who are immuno-compromised, have comorbidities, or otherwise are covid crazed, need to protect themselves and stay away. Others should carry on as normally as possible and enjoy, hey?
It's all a hoax, anyway. That's why your hero has decided to hold numerous super-spreader Xmas parties. Gotta stop the War On Xmas, dontcha know.
Meanwhile, here was the macabre sub-headline on a Washington Post article today:
Every time you listen to Bing Crosby’s “White Christmas,” about five people have died from the coronavirus between the beginning and the end of the song.
But sure. Party on!
Enjoy
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Not gathering. Invited my father, who has also survived COVID. He isn't coming because he doesn't want to drive in lake effect snow. Everyone else is celebrating quietly in individual family units.
Need to remember what we are celebrating, ai'na?
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I don’t get it. Our Thanksgiving was different but it wasn’t bad. Christmas will likely be the same. Why can’t people just do this for one year?
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I don’t get it. Our Thanksgiving was different but it wasn’t bad. Christmas will likely be the same. Why can’t people just do this for one year?
I don't get it either.
Sometimes a one-time switch from a long-held tradition leads to an occasion that will be fondly remembered for years.
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Nads, normally I would agree with your statement. But, I'm now at the point where, grandparents, those who are immuno-compromised, have comorbidities, or otherwise are covid crazed, need to protect themselves and stay away. Others should carry on as normally as possible and enjoy, hey?
Looking forward to the Boxing Day meat summit. We are up to what, 17 dudes?
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Ziggy
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Did we finalize plans for Carnevor or Rare at 7 pm, hey?
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Ziggy
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That’s gonna be kwite the daisy chain ai’na?
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Looking forward to the Boxing Day meat summit. We are up to what, 17 dudes?
You guys aren’t cool or brave.
Just stupid.
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It's all a hoax, anyway. That's why your hero has decided to hold numerous super-spreader Xmas parties. Gotta stop the War On Xmas, dontcha know.
Meanwhile, here was the macabre sub-headline on a Washington Post article today:
Every time you listen to Bing Crosby’s “White Christmas,” about five people have died from the coronavirus between the beginning and the end of the song.
But sure. Party on!
this ain't a one size fits all thing. read what warrior had to say. more people are dying being shutdown. wash hands, wear a mask if you are too close to someone and limit where ya go if you can.
never liked the abbreviation for Christmas. i believe it should be respected as such. we don't refer to hanukkah as xukka or kwanzaa as xzaa. there is a Christ in there for good reason whether you believe or not
the underworld better hope the harass admin is the prom queen w/o pimples or are the seas gonna stop rising and covid deaths end at midnight jan 21?
Enjoy
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Leave it to rocket to be worried about the X in Xmas.
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Can we decorate neighbors' trees or is that forbidden too?
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Can we decorate neighbors' trees or is that forbidden too?
Consent is key
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Can we decorate neighbors' trees or is that forbidden too?
Depends if that neighbor is a female who wants to shave her head to support a friend going through cancer treatment
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I love the fact that the me teeters think that their presence is missed on Scoop.
It isn’t.
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I love the fact that the me teeters think that their presence is missed on Scoop.
It isn’t.
Sorry to interrupt y'all's circle jerk. Please resume the biscuit game.
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I am looking forward to a quiet, small family celebration of the birth of Jesus. It will make me appreciate large gatherings more next year.
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never liked the abbreviation for Christmas. i believe it should be respected as such. we don't refer to hanukkah as xukka or kwanzaa as xzaa. there is a Christ in there for good reason whether you believe or not
Rocket the Xmas abbreviation dates back to the 1500s and was used because the Greek letter X is the first letter in their word for Christ. It's use was never meant as a sign of disrespect, or secularization of the Holiday.
But logic and history doesn't get the Christmas Warriors outraged.
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Sorry to interrupt y'all's circle jerk. Please resume the biscuit game.
Right. There is nothing circle jerky about the letter writing, underboard posting, meat eaters.
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Happy Thanksgiving!
From the Charlotte Observer ...
Officials at a Charlotte-area charter school blame out-of-town Thanksgiving family gatherings for a spike in COVID-19 cases at the school’s Lake Norman campus.
“Unfortunately, I believe Thanksgiving break traveling to see family members is a key factor in what we’re experiencing,” Jonathan Bryant, chief administrator at Lincoln Charter School told his school board at a Dec. 11 emergency meeting, according to a recording of the meeting on the school website.
Lincoln Charter is a public K-12 school that draws students from 13 counties, its website says.
On Dec. 11 alone, Bryant said, 20 teachers and teacher assistants at the Denver campus stayed home due to COVID-19 positive tests either in their children or themselves.
“I’m very concerned about the safety of our Denver campus,” Bryant said on the recording.
The entire fifth grade on the Denver campus previously was quarantined due to COVID-19, as was a kindergarten class, he said.
Both campuses are in Lincoln County, whose COVID-19 chart shows a spike in cases and positive COVID-19 test results since Thanksgiving.
About 13% of COVID-19 tests in the county were positive over two weeks in late November and early December, officials said, a 35% increase in percent positives from the county’s previous update. That’s well above the 5% target set by health officials.
Bryant told the board the school has had COVID-19 cases throughout the pandemic, but nothing like the post-Thanksgiving Day holiday spike.
In neighboring Mecklenburg County on Friday, the health department reported COVID-19 clusters at Davidson Day School and Francis Bradley Middle School in Huntersville.
Unfortunately, we no doubt will get a repeat after Xmas. And then folks can complain when schools are closed and kids have to learn remotely.
Because ... freedom!
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I say Happy Holidays to trigger cultists.
No large gatherings in my world this year.
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We had a pipe burst about 6 floors up from us that flooded the condo Friday morning. With the number of workers we've had here the past few days and into next week there's not enough time to quarantine before the holiday. We are going to have to push our small gathering back a week I guess
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We had a pipe burst about 6 floors up from us that flooded the condo Friday morning. With the number of workers we've had here the past few days and into next week there's not enough time to quarantine before the holiday. We are going to have to push our small gathering back a week I guess
Ugh. Water damage sux - especially this time of year. Sounds like it was caught quickly though (and I know...it's never quick enough to still cause damage).
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We had a pipe burst about 6 floors up from us that flooded the condo Friday morning. With the number of workers we've had here the past few days and into next week there's not enough time to quarantine before the holiday. We are going to have to push our small gathering back a week I guess
Ya must live in Atlanta, aina?
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I say Happy Holidays to trigger cultists.
No large gatherings in my world this year.
I can’t help but do the same. I say Merry Christmas to most people. If it’s a Fox Newser, it is “Happy Holidays”.
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If they are REALLY obviously easily triggered, I will wish them a happy Hanukkah or a festive Kwanzaa.
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All Holidays Matter.
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Rocket the Xmas abbreviation dates back to the 1500s and was used because the Greek letter X is the first letter in their word for Christ. It's use was never meant as a sign of disrespect, or secularization of the Holiday.
But logic and history doesn't get the Christmas Warriors outraged.
thank you for that info fluff! didn't know that as i'm pretty sure many others didn't either, but...i prefer the Christ part in Christmas. just a silly little quirk i guess
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Given that Christmas doesn't actually celebrate Christ's birth and was simply an adopted pagan holiday to make conversions easier. I don't understand the obsession with ignoring what Christmas actually is (let alone ignoring other religion's traditions as well) to act like Jesus was born on that day.
Bottom line is technically we should all be engaged in a week long booze filled affair of depravity to celebrate Christmas since that's the festival that it initially was.
Happy Festival of the Rebirth of the Sun to you all!
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Given that Christmas doesn't actually celebrate Christ's birth and was simply an adopted pagan holiday to make conversions easier. I don't understand the obsession with ignoring what Christmas actually is (let alone ignoring other religion's traditions as well) to act like Jesus was born on that day.
Bottom line is technically we should all be engaged in a week long booze filled affair of depravity to celebrate Christmas since that's the festival that it initially was.
Happy Festival of the Rebirth of the Sun to you all!
Just because he wasn’t born on that specific day doesn’t mean that his birth can’t be recognized on that day.
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Just because he wasn’t born on that specific day doesn’t mean that his birth can’t be recognized on that day.
I shouldn't speak for people, but I don't think he disagrees. I read it as we should call it:
'Take some time off to celebrate the birth of your particular god'-mas
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Just because he wasn’t born on that specific day doesn’t mean that his birth can’t be recognized on that day.
Well wasn't quite what I was getting at (more what rocky was getting at) but since you are of that opinion then I'm choosing to recognize my birthday as today because apparently we can choose?
Christianity didn't traditionally celebrate birthdays either. That was a pagan custom they were against. There is no reason the "super religious" should be all up in arms about Christmas
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Well wasn't quite what I was getting at (more what rocky was getting at) but since you are of that opinion then I'm choosing to recognize my birthday as today because apparently we can choose?
Christianity didn't traditionally celebrate birthdays either. That was a pagan custom they were against. There is no reason the "super religious" should be all up in arms about Christmas
Gotcha. I mean no one cares that Christ isn’t in the name of Easter right?
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I’m not one to downplay Christmas, it’s significance, what it stands for religiously, etc... but I do find it hilarious that the Puritans, who played a major part in the founding of America, banned Christmas cause it was too rowdy and associated with drunkenness and mischief. The Puritans sucked and England brought it back officially years later, but given the prominence of Christmas in this country, it’s ironic
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I didn't know we were going to get into Theological combat in this thread!
Anyone ever hear of Sargon of Akkad?
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Like everybody else, I get wished Merry Xmas several times a day - by check-out people at stores, by customer service representatives on the phone, by neighbors, etc. Being in the South, many go to the extreme, wishing folks a "blessed" Xmas.
It's all good. I know it doesn't dawn on them that the person they are wishing a blessed Xmas to might be Jewish or Muslim or atheist. I know they simply assume that, like them, everybody celebrates Xmas. And I know they don't mean anything bad by it (99.9% of them don't, anyway).
I just smile and say, "Thanks, you too," and go on with my business. Life is too short to get my undies in a bundle over something so trivial.
I hope all Scoopers who celebrate Xmas have as wonderful a day as possible given what's going on around us all ... and I hope all of us have a great ending to 2020, and a happy, healthy, rewarding 2021.
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Like everybody else, I get wished Merry Xmas several times a day - by check-out people at stores, by customer service representatives on the phone, by neighbors, etc. Being in the South, many go to the extreme, wishing folks a "blessed" Xmas.
It's all good. I know it doesn't dawn on them that the person they are wishing a blessed Xmas to might be Jewish or Muslim or atheist. I know they simply assume that, like them, everybody celebrates Xmas. And I know they don't mean anything bad by it (99.9% of them don't, anyway).
I just smile and say, "Thanks, you too," and go on with my business. Life is too short to get my undies in a bundle over something so trivial.
I hope all Scoopers who celebrate Xmas have as wonderful a day as possible given what's going on around us all ... and I hope all of us have a great ending to 2020, and a happy, healthy, rewarding 2021.
"You as well" is the correct way to handle it. No reason to go out of your way to upset people who are genuinely wishing you happiness. Especially, since it costs nothing to be nice.
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Like everybody else, I get wished Merry Xmas several times a day - by check-out people at stores, by customer service representatives on the phone, by neighbors, etc. Being in the South, many go to the extreme, wishing folks a "blessed" Xmas.
It's all good. I know it doesn't dawn on them that the person they are wishing a blessed Xmas to might be Jewish or Muslim or atheist. I know they simply assume that, like them, everybody celebrates Xmas. And I know they don't mean anything bad by it (99.9% of them don't, anyway).
I just smile and say, "Thanks, you too," and go on with my business. Life is too short to get my undies in a bundle over something so trivial.
I hope all Scoopers who celebrate Xmas have as wonderful a day as possible given what's going on around us all ... and I hope all of us have a great ending to 2020, and a happy, healthy, rewarding 2021.
👏👏
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Bottom line is technically we should all be engaged in a week long booze filled affair of depravity to celebrate Christmas since that's the festival that it initially was.
Happy Festival of the Rebirth of the Sun to you all!
You had me at "depravity". unnatural carnal knowledge social distancing, I'm coming over to your house for the holidays.
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The friggin cold front about to sweep through and half foot of blowing, drifting, lake effect that is about to sweep through lower Michigan has shrunk my Christmas celebration even more. Older parents unwilling to make the drive.
Damn you, weather, and your war on Christmas.
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You had me at "depravity". unnatural carnal knowledge social distancing, I'm coming over to your house for the holidays.
Hope you like whiskey and barrel aged beers. That and wine is all that I stock
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I don’t get it. Our Thanksgiving was different but it wasn’t bad. Christmas will likely be the same. Why can’t people just do this for one year?
In the same boat. Keeping the same circle and locking it down leading up to the holiday.
The one thing that makes me sad about it is my last grandparent has been in declining health, and we don't know if we'll get another Christmas with him. But I'd rather err on the side of caution to make sure that has a chance of happening.
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In the same boat. Keeping the same circle and locking it down leading up to the holiday.
The one thing that makes me sad about it is my last grandparent has been in declining health, and we don't know if we'll get another Christmas with him. But I'd rather err on the side of caution to make sure that has a chance of happening.
my dad had a near death experience last week (not COVID related) so my sister and her family are quarantining until Christmas so they can spend time with my parents on Christmas Day.
My mom's COVID tests came back negative but how it happened has her shook. She's quarantining on the top floor while my dad is on the main floor of their house. My mom was exposed by her stylist, who is super careful herself as her husband is seriously at risk, having only one lung.
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Given that Christmas doesn't actually celebrate Christ's birth and was simply an adopted pagan holiday to make conversions easier. I don't understand the obsession with ignoring what Christmas actually is (let alone ignoring other religion's traditions as well) to act like Jesus was born on that day.
Bottom line is technically we should all be engaged in a week long booze filled affair of depravity to celebrate Christmas since that's the festival that it initially was.
Happy Festival of the Rebirth of the Sun to you all!
Prior to the advent of the Gregorian calendar, the Church celebrated Christmas on January 7. You can see this in many of the Orthodox Christian traditions, e.g., Russia, Greece, Ethiopia, which still use the Julian calendar (and hence celebrate on January 7).
The Church didn't know the actual day of Christ's birth (you, on the other hand, know the date of your birth). In fact, most of the early Church writers thought that it was in March, which was too close to Lent. Hence, the need to "move" the celebration.
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Prior to the advent of the Gregorian calendar, the Church celebrated Christmas on January 7. You can see this in many of the Orthodox Christian traditions, e.g., Russia, Greece, Ethiopia, which still use the Julian calendar (and hence celebrate on January 7).
The Church didn't know the actual day of Christ's birth (you, on the other hand, know the date of your birth). In fact, most of the early Church writers thought that it was in March, which was too close to Lent. Hence, the need to "move" the celebration.
There's debate that the idea to move it to December was because it coincided with Yule celebrations in modern Scandinavia & Germany and the Saturnalia celebration in the Roman Empire. Not to mention the other various Solstice celebrations across Europe. The January date was celebrating his accepted baptismal date not a birthday.
"In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus. Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays when, in fact, saints and martyrs should be honoured on the days of their martyrdom—their true “birthdays,” from the church’s perspective."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas
"In the early years of Christianity, Easter was the main holiday; the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday. Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century. "
https://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas
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Prior to the advent of the Gregorian calendar, the Church celebrated Christmas on January 7. You can see this in many of the Orthodox Christian traditions, e.g., Russia, Greece, Ethiopia, which still use the Julian calendar (and hence celebrate on January 7).
That's not quite right. Christmas was set on December 25 prior to the advent of the Gregorian calendar. But when the Gregorian calendar was adopted, the western Christian countries played catch up and moved their calendar about a week and a half forward to make up the difference. Therefore the day after October 4, 1582 was October 15. The Orthodox Church never made that push forward. Furthermore they fall further out of whack three days every four centuries (see below) which means those dates will grow further apart.
So Christmas is still on December 25 on the Julian calendar, but today is also December 3 on that calendar.
The main difference between the two is that each includes a leap year every four years, but the Gregorian calendar skips the leap year on years that end with xx00 EXCEPT for years divisable by 400.
So 1700, 1800 and 1900 were not leap years. 2000 was. 2100 and 2200 will not be.
So the Julian calendar adds three extra days every 400 years which is why the Orthodox December 25 is a couple of week behind ours.
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Hope you like whiskey and barrel aged beers. That and wine is all that I stock
Nice stock of whiskey! I'm partial to Irish Whiskeys, and love the Redbreast 12.
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There is also a great deal of symbolism with celebrating the birth of Jesus as the days start to get longer.
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There is also a great deal of symbolism with celebrating the birth of Jesus as the days start to get longer.
Speaking of which...happy Winter Solstice, everyone!
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Nice stock of whiskey! I'm partial to Irish Whiskeys, and love the Redbreast 12.
Teeling Single Grain for me. Though recently I discovered Clonakilty and their beer barrel finished series which is excellent (did one with an area brewery using Barleywine barrels with only 300 bottles sent to Oregon). They're doing this with breweries all over the country and only selling in that brewery's state.
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Actually, this year, let's go with Festivus. Seems to be quite the appetite for airing of grievances.
Be happy, be safe, celebrate or not in whatever manner you wish.
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Happy Winter Solstice, everyone!
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Nice stock of whiskey! I'm partial to Irish Whiskeys, and love the Redbreast 12.
Thank you, love me some redbreast but agree with Billy that I go for Teeling (or tullamore dew) for sipping.
I love Irish whiskey, but some of the newer ones (like Dingle or Silkie) are a bit harsh.
Though recently I discovered Clonakilty
Haven't tried will pick myself up a bottle as I'm about out of the Sexton.
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Thank you, love me some redbreast but agree with Billy that I go for Teeling (or tullamore dew) for sipping.
I love Irish whiskey, but some of the newer ones (like Dingle or Silkie) are a bit harsh.
Haven't tried will pick myself up a bottle as I'm about out of the Sexton.
Tullamore Dew is my choice for a "basic" Irish. I prefer it over Jameson and Bushmills. There's a new Rum Cask TD I saw over the weekend I'll probably pick up after my Clonakilty is gone.
Clonakilty is in County Cork and perched up on the bluffs. I am definitely going to visit once this whole Covid thing is done!
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"You as well" is the correct way to handle it. No reason to go out of your way to upset people who are genuinely wishing you happiness. Especially, since it costs nothing to be nice.
Yep. If it’s someone you know well or speak to repeatedly and they insist on saying something incorrect or out of line with your beliefs, that’s a different story. But otherwise, I’m amazed that people find a way to be peeved about it.
Working in diamonds/Jewelery, the vast majority of white people in the wholesale portion of industry are Jewish. Thus for awhile when I was starting out, new people or contacts I would meet would wish my Happy Hannukah or Happy Passover, especially foreign associates who probably dealt with predominantly Jewish westerners. I would either make a joke in correcting or just appreciate the effort or consideration, even if incorrect.
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Tullamore Dew is my choice for a "basic" Irish. I prefer it over Jameson and Bushmills. There's a new Rum Cask TD I saw over the weekend I'll probably pick up after my Clonakilty is gone.
Clonakilty is in County Cork and perched up on the bluffs. I am definitely going to visit once this whole Covid thing is done!
I'd agree one regular Tully being on par with Jameson and Bushmills but try the Tullamore Dew 18. Whiskey of the year 2017 (+ or - 1yr) imo they step up in quality to reach that next level as they mature in a way that Bushmills and Jameson don't with Black Bush or Jameson Black and above
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Tullamore Dew is my choice for a "basic" Irish. I prefer it over Jameson and Bushmills. There's a new Rum Cask TD I saw over the weekend I'll probably pick up after my Clonakilty is gone.
The rum cask TD is very good IMO. Not very new, I'm surprised your still finding bottles left on the shelf.
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The rum cask TD is very good IMO. Not very new, I'm surprised your still finding bottles left on the shelf.
Angels envy rye is aged in a rum cask and is very delicious.
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Tullamore Dew is my choice for a "basic" Irish. I prefer it over Jameson and Bushmills. There's a new Rum Cask TD I saw over the weekend I'll probably pick up after my Clonakilty is gone.
Clonakilty is in County Cork and perched up on the bluffs. I am definitely going to visit once this whole Covid thing is done!
It is gorgeous there.
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The rum cask TD is very good IMO. Not very new, I'm surprised your still finding bottles left on the shelf.
I honestly just saw it for the first time on Saturday in Oregon. Though liquor sales are handled though the state so maybe we are just slow in getting it.
Angels envy rye is aged in a rum cask and is very delicious.
I saw that one, along with a Breckenridge Rum cask. I love Balvenie Caribbean Cask but can only justify that expense to my wife so often!
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From the Charlotte Observer ...
In January, Novant ICU nurse manager Cindy Little will welcome her second grandchild born during the coronavirus pandemic. Originally from Charleston, Little moved to Charlotte a few years ago to be closer to family. Her new grandson will be her fourth grandchild.
But she won’t see her family this Christmas. Instead, she’s working in the ICU during the holiday as well as on New Year’s Day. She missed Thanksgiving gatherings, too. In the ICU, she sees Novant’s sickest patients, often with COVID-19.
Many health officials expect to see a spike in coronavirus cases due to gatherings over Christmas. Area hospitals are already dealing with a surge in cases from Thanksgiving.
Ahead of that potential surge, Little and another Novant ICU provider gave the Observer an inside look at their life during the pandemic.
Dr. Alexis Smith is a pulmonary and critical care physician in Novant Health’s Presbyterian Medical Center’s ICU.
Before the coronavirus pandemic, Smith spent half of her time taking care of intensive care unit patients. Now, she’s spending most of her time in the ICU.
During the pandemic, Smith’s been taking two showers a day — one in the morning and one as soon as she gets back from the hospital.
When she returns from work, she puts on a robe she keeps in the garage and heads straight to the shower to wash off any germs she could have brought home. Then she puts her work clothes straight in the laundry.
Like Little, Smith also plans to skip Christmas gatherings with her family. She usually flies to Chicago to see family, including her nieces. Not this year.
“I recognize the fact that the community is really tiring of (COVID-19 restrictions), and as just a human experiencing this, it absolutely is very tiring,” Smith said. “But as a physician, it makes me very sad that (gatherings) immediately lead to people who are so sick.”
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Whoops
https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1342100415270289410?s=19
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After everything was discussed and debated, we will have four generations at our house this afternoon/evening. Only our youngest had to travel here and tested negative yesterday. Great Grandma was not going to miss Christmas Eve for anything and very, very happy that she is joining our crew.
Small disclaimer on Great Grandma, she has hosted weekly family dinner for the past six months and is frequent star guest for our family. She is 84 years old and simply one of the all time best. We will try our best to social distance and refrain from our normal thousand hugs this year.
Sadly, this is my first Christmas Eve in 57 years that I will not be celebrating with one or all of my siblings. Our normal host, big sister, is having watered down day out in the garage and we have two small granddaughters and it is too cold for them. Looking forward to busting her house up next year.
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Merry Christmas Goose, or as is said in my household, “Larry Christmas!”
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Merry Christmas all!
Felt weird dropping of food at my mom's. She doesn't want to risk coming over to our house for dinner despite no one else coming.
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...So he paused. And the Grinch put his had to his ear. And he DID hear a sound rising over the snow. It started in low. Then it started to grow...
But the sound wasn't sad! Why, this sound sounded Merry! It couldn't be so! But it was merry! Very!
He stared down at Who-ville! The Grinch popped his eyes! Then he shook! What he saw was a shocking surprise!
Every Who down in Who-ville, the tall and the small, was singing! Without any presents at all! He HADN'T stopped Christmas from coming! IT CAME! Somehow or other, it came just the same!
And the Grinch, with his grinch-feet ice-cold in the snow, Stood puzzing and puzzling: "How could it be so? It came without ribbons! It came without tags! It came without packages boxes or bags!"
And he puzzled three hours, till his puzzler was sore. THEN, the Grinch though of something he hadn't before!
"Maybe Christmas," he thought, "doesn't come from a store. Maybe Christmas...perhaps...means a little bit more."
Thank you, Dr. Seuss. Maybe Christmas does indeed mean a little bit more.
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Merry Christmas all!
Felt weird dropping of food at my mom's. She doesn't want to risk coming over to our house for dinner despite no one else coming.
Yep. My wife and her sister have been dropping off food at their parents' house since March. Their dad is 90 with chronic respiratory issues, and their mom is 80 with HBP, so they'll be doing Christmas alone like they did Thanksgiving.
The only saving grace is that they will both be eligible to get their vaccines soon.
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I just had to setup the zoom meeting with my parents for tomorrow. It will be the first time in my many years on this Earth that I'm not with them on Christmas :(. I know it makes the most sense to not see them now but it still stinks. My youngest daughter's quarantine ends tomorrow which was a good reminder that it was good we weren't planning on traveling anywhere for the holiday (she never exhibited any symptoms though thankfully).
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I just had to setup the zoom meeting with my parents for tomorrow. It will be the first time in my many years on this Earth that I'm not with them on Christmas :(. I know it makes the most sense to not see them now but it still stinks. My youngest daughter's quarantine ends tomorrow which was a good reminder that it was good we weren't planning on traveling anywhere for the holiday (she never exhibited any symptoms though thankfully).
Glad your daughter got through it without symptoms.
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Sir
Larry Christmas to you and your gang!!
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Glad your daughter got through it without symptoms.
Thank you - I wasn't all that worried but you never know of course and there was a kid in her class who tested positive for Covid.
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Sign of the times ...
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Sign of the times ...
I have a friend who sends Christmas cookies to family and friends every year. This year, she added a note assuring everyone that she washed her hands frequently and wore a mask at all times while baking and packaging....
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I have a friend who sends Christmas cookies to family and friends every year. This year, she added a note assuring everyone that she washed her hands frequently and wore a mask at all times while baking and packaging....
Those germs will die of old age before anyone receives the cookies. I sent out baked goods on December 15 by Priority Mail and no one has received them yet. I was assured at the time I mailed them that they would arrive at their destination by the 18th.
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Those germs will die of old age before anyone receives the cookies. I sent out baked goods on December 15 by Priority Mail and no one has received them yet. I was assured at the time I mailed them that they would arrive at their destination by the 18th.
Thought the postal slowdown was only for the election, hey?
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On time delivery is down under 75%.
One more thing that was sabotaged by bunker boy.
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Thought the postal slowdown was only for the election, hey?
Huh? When the remove and destroy high speed sorters, how exactly does the slowdown end?
Pay attention.
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Those germs will die of old age before anyone receives the cookies. I sent out baked goods on December 15 by Priority Mail and no one has received them yet. I was assured at the time I mailed them that they would arrive at their destination by the 18th.
Yeah, that’s what I told her but she wanted to be sure people were comfortable. ;)
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Huh? When the remove and destroy high speed sorters, how exactly does the slowdown end?
Pay attention.
You are so thick in the head.
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I ordered a two sweatshirts, one to my office for a Secret Santa and one to my house for me.
The house sweatshirt arrived 2 days later from Utah. The office sweatshirt arrived 10 days later.
It spent 8 days in Oak Creek, then to the Kenosha post office. Oak Creek’s new facility opened without sorters before the election, timely. House sweatshirt went through Elk Grove Village distribution to my local post office.
So yeah, Fryboy not hard to figure it the unnatural carnal knowledge out.
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I ordered a two sweatshirts, one to my office for a Secret Santa and one to my house for me.
The house sweatshirt arrived 2 days later from Utah. The office sweatshirt arrived 10 days later.
It spent 8 days in Oak Creek, then to the Kenosha post office. Oak Creek had their sorters removed. House sweatshirt went through Elk Grove Village distribution to my local post office.
So yeah, Fryboy not hard to figure it the unnatural carnal knowledge out.
I had two things come from Pennsylvania arrive in Oak Creek last weekend and neither made it to me in a Milwaukee suburb yet - one actually got sent back to Pennsylvania.
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I had two things come from Pennsylvania arrive in Oak Creek last weekend and neither made it to me in a Milwaukee suburb yet - one actually got sent back to Pennsylvania.
Nothing is getting through Oak Creek timely. Same in Detroit from what work associates have told me.
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On time delivery is down under 75%.
One more thing that was sabotaged by bunker boy.
Weird. Its almost as if dismantling automatic sorting machines is a bad thing.
I wonder what could motivate someone to do such a thing?
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Those germs will die of old age before anyone receives the cookies. I sent out baked goods on December 15 by Priority Mail and no one has received them yet. I was assured at the time I mailed them that they would arrive at their destination by the 18th.
Perhaps Louis DeJoy could help you with that.
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Nothing is getting through Oak Creek timely. Same in Detroit from what work associates have told me.
The package that went from Oak Creek back to Pennsylvania arrived in Chicago Thursday but no update since then. The other one shows as sitting in Oak Creek since 12/19. We'll see if we ever get these mystery packages :).
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A scroll through facebook seems to show more people gathered for Christmas than Thanksgiving. Even people who I know were super diligent prior gathered in multi-family groups. I think the news of vaccine has caused some to let their guard down.
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A scroll through facebook seems to show more people gathered for Christmas than Thanksgiving. Even people who I know were super diligent prior gathered in multi-family groups. I think the news of vaccine has caused some to let their guard down.
Yeah I noticed the same thing on Facebook with Christmas gatherings. I also worry about NYE gatherings/parties and the spike in cases that may come after Christmas and NYE.
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While our extended family did not gather as usual, I have friends in Florida whose daughter drove down from NYC with her boyfriend, and shared the car with another couple as well. Hopefully all will be well. So I suspect that you are correct.
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A scroll through facebook seems to show more people gathered for Christmas than Thanksgiving. Even people who I know were super diligent prior gathered in multi-family groups. I think the news of vaccine has caused some to let their guard down.
Agreed. To add to your observations from Facebook, airline travel was higher around Christmas than it has been at any time since the initial surge this spring. While the flying itself seems to be relatively safe, those people are flying somewhere...and likely to meet with others outside their households.
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/airlines/tsa-screens-new-pandemic-record-number-of-travelers-following-christmas.html
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Or the doom and gloomers predicted a huge spike after Thanksgiving and when it didn't happen, people said F it, I'm gonna see my family.
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Or the doom and gloomers predicted a huge spike after Thanksgiving and when it didn't happen, people said F it, I'm gonna see my family.
Tough look
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Or the doom and gloomers predicted a huge spike after Thanksgiving and when it didn't happen, people said F it, I'm gonna see my family.
Actually, it did happen. Places like the upper Midwest were spared because we had just weathered a huge surge, but the overall national numbers increased significantly.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/21/948809129/epidemiologists-urge-a-cautious-christmas-after-thanksgiving-surge-in-some-state
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I think it has more to do with Thanksgiving being just one day, where Christmas is generally celebrated with family over the course of a few days, people generally have off work, etc.
We didn't see our kids over Thanksgiving. It ended up being a good day anyway. But had the same happened at Christmas, it would have been very difficult for both my wife and I. Luckily, everyone had the ability to quarantine for two weeks ahead of time so we have all been together for the past few days and it has been the best part of the last few months.
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I think it has more to do with Thanksgiving being just one day, where Christmas is generally celebrated with family over the course of a few days, people generally have off work, etc.
We didn't see our kids over Thanksgiving. It ended up being a good day anyway. But had the same happened at Christmas, it would have been very difficult for both my wife and I. Luckily, everyone had the ability to quarantine for two weeks ahead of time so we have all been together for the past few days and it has been the best part of the last few months.
And obviously just scrolling thru FB doesn't allow for this context.
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And obviously just scrolling thru FB doesn't allow for this context.
Been awhile since I had a Facebook but I believe you could post a poll asking everyone on your friends list and get to the bottom of your question.
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Goooo
No doubt the spike did not happen in upper Midwest post Thanksgiving and that is great. That said, the experts said the biggest issue was having spikes when surges were in full swing. WI was in height of the surge in mid to late November and no spike happened.
I am 100% in favor of listening and giving the experts credit, but their of a major spike during a surge period did not happen. Hoping the same holds true after the holidays.
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Goooo
No doubt the spike did not happen in upper Midwest post Thanksgiving and that is great. That said, the experts said the biggest issue was having spikes when surges were in full swing. WI was in height of the surge in mid to late November and no spike happened.
I am 100% in favor of listening and giving the experts credit, but their of a major spike during a surge period did not happen. Hoping the same holds true after the holidays.
So what is your hypothesis. That it is impossible to have a spike when the epidemic is already raging or that people were being more careful with their contacts.
Our state was starting to see moderation leading into t-giving but then had a spike coming out of it (hospitalizations since reporting cases is choppy). It however has been handled as capacity is still fine and we are moderating again into Christmas.
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Goooo
No doubt the spike did not happen in upper Midwest post Thanksgiving and that is great. That said, the experts said the biggest issue was having spikes when surges were in full swing. WI was in height of the surge in mid to late November and no spike happened.
I am 100% in favor of listening and giving the experts credit, but their of a major spike during a surge period did not happen. Hoping the same holds true after the holidays.
But spikes on top of surges did happen elsewhere, so it clearly can happen.
Take California. On November 1, their 7-day average of new cases was 4,220. By Thanksgiving day, they were at 13,352. That's more than a tripling, so clearly CA was in the midst of a surge. Over the next 3+ weeks following Thanksgiving, they saw a dramatic spike, hitting 44,763 on December 22. So they had a surge before Thanksgiving (4,220 -> 13,352), then a spike after (13,352 -> 44,763). Similar patterns occurred in NY, MA and a few states across the Southeast.
The fact that the experts' prediction didn't occur in WI may have been people being more cautions, the quirks of viral transmission, or simple serendipity. But the experience in CA and several other states clearly affirmed the experts' opinion that there can be a spike on top of a surge.
Either way, I hope we continue to see declines in the upper Midwest - and begin to see declines elsewhere - over the coming weeks....
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Goo
Fully aware of the spikes nationally. I simply was stating the fear for a spike on top of a surge in WI thankfully did not materialize. It again shows to me how unpredictable the virus is and difficult to make broad based assumptions. Hopefully CA and Texas do not experience a spike on top of their crazy bad numbers.
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Latest nonsense is US could be back to normal by Fall. Fauci's an idiot. Been wrong more than Woj, aina?
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Goo
Fully aware of the spikes nationally. I simply was stating the fear for a spike on top of a surge in WI thankfully did not materialize. It again shows to me how unpredictable the virus is and difficult to make broad based assumptions. Hopefully CA and Texas do not experience a spike on top of their crazy bad numbers.
Gotcha.
Yeah - if CA or TX sees a post-Christmas spike, they might have to ration care. Hope it never comes to that.
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Latest nonsense is US could be back to normal by Fall. Fauci's an idiot. Been wrong more than Woj, aina?
The idiot is in your mirror.
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The idiot is in your mirror.
you'd look a little better, if that's at all possible, if you could answer the question instead of attacking the individual.
you can probably find how wrong fauci has been somewhere-you'll have to google it a scroll to about page 46 as they actively provide cover to protect their peeps
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He's using predictive statistical models it's pretty much impossible for him to be accurate 100% of the time.
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Fauci said there would be a second wave this fall, and the lame duck practically shoved him off the dias, saying Fauci was an "alarmist" who didn't know what he was talking about.
Much better to believe real experts like Dr. Demon Seed, the My Pillow guy and Jared.
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you'd look a little better, if that's at all possible, if you could answer the question instead of attacking the individual.
you can probably find how wrong fauci has been somewhere-you'll have to google it a scroll to about page 46 as they actively provide cover to protect their peeps
Fauci hasn't been right all of the time. But he's been more right than Trump and pretty much everyone else connected with his administration.
I guess you find comfort in that fact, which is not surprising at all.
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The idiot is in your mirror.
C'mon man, is that the best you've got? What the hell, have a few drinks and really bring it. You know, hate as no home here, aina?
#hypocrite
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you'd look a little better, if that's at all possible, if you could answer the question instead of attacking the individual.
you can probably find how wrong fauci has been somewhere-you'll have to google it a scroll to about page 46 as they actively provide cover to protect their peeps
Fauci has said that everyone should get vaccinated. So, since he has been so wrong, I assume you are not going to get vaccinated, right?
Oh wait, you've told us all repeatedly how HCQ really, really works, ergo there is no need to take the vaccine since there is such a cheap, common remedy, right?
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The idiot is in your mirror.
^^^^^^^
Woke
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Fauci hasn't been right all of the time. But he's been more right than Trump and pretty much everyone else connected with his administration.
I guess you find comfort in that fact, which is not surprising at all.
taking fauci by himself, leaving trump and his admin out of this if you can, fauci has been all over the map. not to mention that DOCTOR fauci is a DOCTOR. he isn't citing any research as that generated from actual doctors treating patients. they knw what works and what doesn't. btw, you guys who keep downplaying the efficacy of hcq-i wouldn't allow fauci to treat me or any of my family with it, but i certainly would want someone of the likes of dr harvey risch(lead epidemiologist yale med school) or dr stephen smith of the smith center for infectious diseases. the key is if and/or when to initiate hcq treatment. not all covid patients can be treated with hcq, just as not all patients can be treated with penicillin. there is a window of time and combination of drugs that have been proven to be very effective in the hands of those who actually see and treat patients. in other words, they have to know what they are doing. fauci? not so much
here are some fauci beauties
1) this virus is not a major threat to the american people and it's not something we should be worried about
2) new york did it correctly-huh?
3)Dr Fauci saying that the virus was "not driven by asymptomatic carriers" and his comment in March that "people should not be walking around with masks".
4) calling for a national quarantine??
5) a falling mortality rate doesn’t matter when it is the single most important statistic to help guide the pace of our economic reopening. sounds like he is starting to get out of his lane here as he does so offen. the dude talks to who he wants to when he wants to. when was the last time he's even treated patients?
6) first he says a national mandate on masks wouldn't work(september) but now says maybe we should be mandating it?? so who got into his head?
there are many studies that cast doubt on efficacy of masks, especially given that most are not KN95 quality and the cloth ones worn are more filthy than than anything you could repeatedly put on your face
fauci has become a puppet of WHO and the CDC and the glass half empty people. he is clearly an advocate for other causes first. his multiple appearances on CNN and MSNBC
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It is better to learn more, adapt, adjust, acknowledge the process and make different plans as more data becomes known.
Than to pawn it off to the least qualified person ever, not have a plan, and blame others. By tweet from the golf course.
It is an f'ing war. You keep fighting and adapting as you learn more about your opponent. Sometimes you are wrong and lose early. The difference is whether you choose to learn and get better and continue the fight. Or not.
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taking fauci by himself, leaving trump and his admin out of this if you can, fauci has been all over the map. not to mention that DOCTOR fauci is a DOCTOR. he isn't citing any research as that generated from actual doctors treating patients. they knw what works and what doesn't. btw, you guys who keep downplaying the efficacy of hcq-i wouldn't allow fauci to treat me or any of my family with it, but i certainly would want someone of the likes of dr harvey risch(lead epidemiologist yale med school) or dr stephen smith of the smith center for infectious diseases. the key is if and/or when to initiate hcq treatment. not all covid patients can be treated with hcq, just as not all patients can be treated with penicillin. there is a window of time and combination of drugs that have been proven to be very effective in the hands of those who actually see and treat patients. in other words, they have to know what they are doing. fauci? not so much
here are some fauci beauties
1) this virus is not a major threat to the american people and it's not something we should be worried about
2) new york did it correctly-huh?
3)Dr Fauci saying that the virus was "not driven by asymptomatic carriers" and his comment in March that "people should not be walking around with masks".
4) calling for a national quarantine??
5) a falling mortality rate doesn’t matter when it is the single most important statistic to help guide the pace of our economic reopening. sounds like he is starting to get out of his lane here as he does so offen. the dude talks to who he wants to when he wants to. when was the last time he's even treated patients?
6) first he says a national mandate on masks wouldn't work(september) but now says maybe we should be mandating it?? so who got into his head?
there are many studies that cast doubt on efficacy of masks, especially given that most are not KN95 quality and the cloth ones worn are more filthy than than anything you could repeatedly put on your face
fauci has become a puppet of WHO and the CDC and the glass half empty people. he is clearly an advocate for other causes first. his multiple appearances on CNN and MSNBC
Lol. The fact that you are STILL bringing up hydroxy tells me all I need to know about your opinion on anything related to Covid - not worth the water to flush it down my toilet.
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It is better to learn more, adapt, adjust, acknowledge the process and make different plans as more data becomes known.
Than to pawn it off to the least qualified person ever, not have a plan, and blame others. By tweet from the golf course.
It is an f'ing war. You keep fighting and adapting as you learn more about your opponent. Sometimes you are wrong and lose early. The difference is whether you choose to learn and get better and continue the fight. Or not.
Rocket would be still be bitching about mistakes made during Pearl Harbor on VJ Day.
Unless Trump was President.
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I think the prevailing perspective of Western medicines shunning/ridicule of universal masking is one of the largest mistakes of the pandemic.
Instead of learning the lessons of SARS we initially rejected it. Then politics poured a bunch of gas on that fire.
Fauci had a hand in that for sure. By the time he learned/corrected it was too late. Particularly with no willingness by the govt to push that solution.
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13 months ago, the world new zero, nada, zilch, about this virus. It came at all of us pretty fast. Fauci said some things based on the best information he had at the time that later turned out to be wrong. Once upon a time, doctors used leaches and dentists used wood dentures. The learning curve about COVID has been rapid, ever accelerating, and steep. There is still more to be learned and it is entirely possible with those the best intentions, using the best information available, are still going to say something that will eventually be shown to be wrong.
What is dangerous is those who still think this is no worse than the flu. Who still downplay it. Who, instead of trying to figure out how to keep themselves and those they love safe, and by extension, work to make things better for all, willfully choose me-first. Who spread demonstrably false information because it makes them feel good. Because they don't have the intelligence or courage to make the choices necessary to do the right thing for all.
Approaching 20 million infected in the USA. Approaching 400k dead. (at least) That is reality. Life outside the cult bubble.
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Rocket regarding the national quarantine, I have a buddy living in Vietnam who was able to go out to a massive street party and celebrate New Years because of how effective it was.
I would trade the country completely shut down for 2-4wks back in spring for the summer and fall and beginning of winter to have been normal.
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I think the prevailing perspective of Western medicines shunning/ridicule of universal masking is one of the largest mistakes of the pandemic.
Instead of learning the lessons of SARS we initially rejected it. Then politics poured a bunch of gas on that fire.
Fauci had a hand in that for sure. By the time he learned/corrected it was too late. Particularly with no willingness by the govt to push that solution.
Agree, to a point.
During the brief period when masks weren't recommended, the delay was based as much as anything on the concern about having enough PPE for frontline workers. Maybe the 'Western medicine' attitude contributed too, but I suspect an immediate recommendation to wear masks would have led to a dramatic shortage of paper surgical masks. Just look at the toilet paper and Lysol shortages back in the spring, and imagine hospitals not being able to get enough basic surgical masks because 300 million Americans were buying them up.
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I think the prevailing perspective of Western medicines shunning/ridicule of universal masking is one of the largest mistakes of the pandemic.
Instead of learning the lessons of SARS we initially rejected it. Then politics poured a bunch of gas on that fire.
Fauci had a hand in that for sure. By the time he learned/corrected it was too late. Particularly with no willingness by the govt to push that solution.
I disagree that it was "too late" by the time Fauci corrected on masks. It was only March. Had the vast majority of Americans started wearing masks then, had the leadership of our country been role models who encouraged mask-wearing rather than deniers who mocked it, we might have had a decidedly different result.
We had a president who refused to wear a mask while visiting a mask factory that required everybody to wear masks and a vice president who didn't wear a mask when visiting the Mayo Clinic -- both well after it became accepted science that mask-wearing helps.
And then the floodgates really swung open, with Trump cheering on mask-less thugs in states that had not met Trump's own guidelines, with Jared declaring victory over COVID-19 on April 29, and then with the president holding one super-spreader event after another for his mouth-breathing sycophants.
Well before all of that, Fauci and epidemiologists everywhere were begging for Americans to wear masks.
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I was alluding to all the other stuff you referenced as to why it was too late. Too polarized by then.
It needed a full court press communication campaign that just wasn’t going to be there.
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I was alluding to all the other stuff you referenced as to why it was too late. Too polarized by then.
It needed a full court press communication campaign that just wasn’t going to be there.
Again, all it would have taken was national leadership to get us there. Not worth arguing about, though. Have a good one.
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Rocket would be still be bitching about mistakes made during Pearl Harbor on VJ Day.
Unless Trump was President.
funny you mention pearl harbor. just last night watched a documentary on the beginning of WW II in which actual footage was digitally enhanced to color. the national anger it provoked was similar to that produced my 911 except during 1941, the anger lasted until we got the job done as opposed to what, 2-3 weeks post 911. i mean more collectively.
so fauci's multiple "mistakes" are akin to the bombing of WW II which was the final straw to push us into historically, the largest, most devastating war we were trying to avoid? fauci is more of a puppet emblematic of the attitude of "what to think" rather than "how to think"
not quite sure where the mistakes were there sully, but i'm sure in all your vast awareness and worldly experiences, would love for you to point them out to all of us
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funny you mention pearl harbor. just last night watched a documentary on the beginning of WW II in which actual footage was digitally enhanced to color. the national anger it provoked was similar to that produced my 911 except during 1941, the anger lasted until we got the job done as opposed to what, 2-3 weeks post 911. i mean more collectively.
so fauci's multiple "mistakes" are akin to the bombing of WW II which was the final straw to push us into historically, the largest, most devastating war we were trying to avoid? fauci is more of a puppet emblematic of the attitude of "what to think" rather than "how to think"
not quite sure where the mistakes were there sully, but i'm sure in all your vast awareness and worldly experiences, would love for you to point them out to all of us
What the f*ck are you even talking about here?
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Lol. The fact that you are STILL bringing up hydroxy tells me all I need to know about your opinion on anything related to Covid - not worth the water to flush it down my toilet.
Yup. Its really a snapshot showing what exactly has become of the base of the GOP. They've lost the plot so badly that they side with Dr. Demon Sperm over the renowned infectious disease expert because their teevee told them to.
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Yup. Its really a snapshot showing what exactly has become of the base of the GOP. They've lost the plot so badly that they side with Dr. Demon Sperm over the renowned infectious disease expert because their teevee told them to.
It is incredibly ironic that rocket would come here bitching about the mistakes Fauci has made, praising both Risch and Smith, and then talking about "how to think." The dude hasn't presented a thought he hasn't parroted from elsewhere for years.
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funny you mention pearl harbor. just last night watched a documentary on the beginning of WW II in which actual footage was digitally enhanced to color. the national anger it provoked was similar to that produced my 911 except during 1941, the anger lasted until we got the job done as opposed to what, 2-3 weeks post 911. i mean more collectively.
so fauci's multiple "mistakes" are akin to the bombing of WW II which was the final straw to push us into historically, the largest, most devastating war we were trying to avoid? fauci is more of a puppet emblematic of the attitude of "what to think" rather than "how to think"
not quite sure where the mistakes were there sully, but i'm sure in all your vast awareness and worldly experiences, would love for you to point them out to all of us
Stick to Parler.
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funny you mention pearl harbor. just last night watched a documentary on the beginning of WW II in which actual footage was digitally enhanced to color. the national anger it provoked was similar to that produced my 911 except during 1941, the anger lasted until we got the job done as opposed to what, 2-3 weeks post 911. i mean more collectively.
so fauci's multiple "mistakes" are akin to the bombing of WW II which was the final straw to push us into historically, the largest, most devastating war we were trying to avoid? fauci is more of a puppet emblematic of the attitude of "what to think" rather than "how to think"
not quite sure where the mistakes were there sully, but i'm sure in all your vast awareness and worldly experiences, would love for you to point them out to all of us
littul two much xmas eggnogg four dis won
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taking fauci by himself, leaving trump and his admin out of this if you can, fauci has been all over the map. not to mention that DOCTOR fauci is a DOCTOR. he isn't citing any research as that generated from actual doctors treating patients. they knw what works and what doesn't. btw, you guys who keep downplaying the efficacy of hcq-i wouldn't allow fauci to treat me or any of my family with it, but i certainly would want someone of the likes of dr harvey risch(lead epidemiologist yale med school) or dr stephen smith of the smith center for infectious diseases. the key is if and/or when to initiate hcq treatment. not all covid patients can be treated with hcq, just as not all patients can be treated with penicillin. there is a window of time and combination of drugs that have been proven to be very effective in the hands of those who actually see and treat patients. in other words, they have to know what they are doing. fauci? not so much
here are some fauci beauties
1) this virus is not a major threat to the american people and it's not something we should be worried about
2) new york did it correctly-huh?
3)Dr Fauci saying that the virus was "not driven by asymptomatic carriers" and his comment in March that "people should not be walking around with masks".
4) calling for a national quarantine??
5) a falling mortality rate doesn’t matter when it is the single most important statistic to help guide the pace of our economic reopening. sounds like he is starting to get out of his lane here as he does so offen. the dude talks to who he wants to when he wants to. when was the last time he's even treated patients?
6) first he says a national mandate on masks wouldn't work(september) but now says maybe we should be mandating it?? so who got into his head?
there are many studies that cast doubt on efficacy of masks, especially given that most are not KN95 quality and the cloth ones worn are more filthy than than anything you could repeatedly put on your face
fauci has become a puppet of WHO and the CDC and the glass half empty people. he is clearly an advocate for other causes first. his multiple appearances on CNN and MSNBC
If I didn't know this was coming from you, I'd have thought it was the best trolling this board has ever seen.
But you're you, so it's just more foolishness from a person who is obsessed with the delusion he's created for himself.
Someday, I hope you come back to reality.
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If I didn't know this was coming from you, I'd have thought it was the best trolling this board has ever seen.
But you're you, so it's just more foolishness from a person who is obsessed with the delusion he's created for himself.
Someday, I hope you come back to reality.
Some might say he has gone off the deep end. The truth is that he drowned a long time ago. I'm guessing he has gone full OANN since even Fox doesn't sound nearly this nuts.
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Los Angeles County has been especially susceptible to COVID-19 due to its large population, the density of the population and the high number of essential workers who live there.
The county was ravaged in December in the weeks after Thanksgiving, and it's already looking like the number of people who ignored stay-at-home orders over Christmas is prolonging or even worsening the situation.
From the L.A. Times:
The tally reported Friday pushed the average number of new daily coronavirus cases over the last week to 16,077 – precisely around the same time that epidemiologists warned that people infected around the Christmas holiday would begin to become infectious.
The county also posted a high death toll Friday – 193 deaths, the fourth-highest single day death toll. New Year’s Day followed three consecutive days of record deaths reported in one day – 242 on Tuesday, 262 on Wednesday and 291 on Thursday. Combined, 988 deaths were reported in this four-day period.
Before Friday’s numbers for LA County were released, Dr. Robert Kim-Farley, medical epidemiologist and infectious diseases expert with the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, said he expected that the pandemic in LA County would worsen soon because of the amount of travel observed over Christmas and New Year’s.
Kim-Farley said LA County was in the midst of a “viral tsunami,” but added that “we should not be frozen in despair that there is nothing we can do.”
“Now is the time to get to ‘higher ground’ – in this case, higher ground means staying at home and not mixing with others outside of your household as much as possible and not being outside where the viral tsunami could reach us,” Kim-Farley said.
Despite the grim outlook for the weeks ahead, Kim-Farley said, “there’s no question in my mind that had we not had the stay-at-home order, the situation would be far more dire than it is now. However, I think the magnitude of the numbers show that in the face of the stay at home order, many people are choosing to ignore it, and with no strong enforcement, these mixing of households and parties continue to occur.”
The death toll has already spiked in December, largely a result of people en masse, fatigued by the pandemic, ignoring pleas by officials to stay home for Thanksgiving and deciding to gather with friends and family over that holiday. There were 2,703 COVID-19 deaths reported in LA County in December, by far the deadliest month of the pandemic and more than four times worse than November’s death toll of 585.
Hospitals across LA County are being overwhelmed by the pandemic, with most forced to turn away ambulances for much of the day as medical institutions buckle under the weight of unprecedented demand for critical hospital care. Hospital morgues and private funeral homes are so full of corpses that the National Guard has been asked to help with efforts to store the bodies temporarily at the county medical-examiner-coroner’s office.
As one of the nation’s largest metropolises with some of the nation’s densest neighborhoods, LA County is considered to be particularly vulnerable in a pandemic. The county, home to more than 10 million people, suffers in a number of neighborhoods from high rates of poverty and costly housing that lead to overcrowded homes. Southern California also has huge numbers of essential workers who must leave their homes to work, many employed in food factories and warehouses, where the virus can also spread easily.
Some patients are waiting up to nine hours in waiting rooms with low blood pressure and low oxygen levels. A number of facilities are reporting running dangerously low on supplies of oxygen. Some patients transported by ambulances are waiting as long as eight hours to be dropped off at emergency rooms. There’s fear that people suffering from strokes, heart attacks and seizures aren’t getting the swift attention they need.
With so many COVID-19 patients suffering from inflamed lungs that make them gasp for air, some aging hospital systems have been unable to keep up with the demand for high-flow rates of oxygen needed to be piped into their lungs. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is planning to send crews to the region to update oxygen-delivery systems at a handful of hospitals.
By Friday night, local health jurisdictions in LA County had tallied 790,582 cumulative coronavirus cases and 10,552 COVID-19 deaths. With LA County averaging 16,077 new coronavirus cases a day, the county is likely to mark its 800,000th coronavirus case in the coming days.
As of Friday night, California is now averaging 339 COVID-19 deaths a day over the last week, a record. The state is also averaging about 40,000 new coronavirus cases a day, only slightly lower than the peak of 45,000 new cases a day recorded in mid-December.
Cumulatively, California has recorded 2.3 million coronavirus cases and more than 26,000 COVID-19 deaths.
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The death toll has already spiked in December, largely a result of people en masse, fatigued by the pandemic, ignoring pleas by officials to stay home for Thanksgiving and deciding to gather with friends and family over that holiday. There were 2,703 COVID-19 deaths reported in LA County in December, by far the deadliest month of the pandemic and more than four times worse than November’s death toll of 585.
I don't think this is entirely accurate. Thankgiving likely had a small impact on the death toll in December. Those who caught Covid over Thankgiving likely didn't present symptoms until the first week of December. And then the earliest these people would have died would have been in the last third of the month.
So that means it is actually WORSE than what they are portraying. People are going to be dying throughout January who were exposed at Thanksgiving. And February has the potential for being worse considering how many people were gathering over the Holidays.
We are going to be well above 500,000 deaths by the end of February. Potentially much worse.
Meanwhile from this morning...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1345720107255926784?s=20
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13 months ago, the world new zero, nada, zilch, about this virus. It came at all of us pretty fast. Fauci said some things based on the best information he had at the time that later turned out to be wrong. Once upon a time, doctors used leaches and dentists used wood dentures. The learning curve about COVID has been rapid, ever accelerating, and steep. There is still more to be learned and it is entirely possible with those the best intentions, using the best information available, are still going to say something that will eventually be shown to be wrong.
What is dangerous is those who still think this is no worse than the flu. Who still downplay it. Who, instead of trying to figure out how to keep themselves and those they love safe, and by extension, work to make things better for all, willfully choose me-first. Who spread demonstrably false information because it makes them feel good. Because they don't have the intelligence or courage to make the choices necessary to do the right thing for all.
Approaching 20 million infected in the USA. Approaching 400k dead. (at least) That is reality. Life outside the cult bubble.
Um, turns out they were right. Bloodletting too.
What Is Leech Therapy?
https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-leech-therapy
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Merry Effen Xmas.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/article248453620.html
Against a backdrop of jackhammers, lane changes and the metabolism of rapid change, a corner near uptown has long offered Charlotteans a calendar they could count on.
What we might describe as the Simpson Family Almanac guarantees that fresh vegetables go on sale in the spring and summer. Pumpkins arrive every fall. Christmas trees appear right after Thanksgiving.
That’s the way the seasons have unfolded at Kings Drive and East Morehead for almost 80 years.
Then came the virus.
“Like the preacher said at David’s funeral, on the first Friday in April when we open up the farmers market and he’s not there, it’s going to be one of our worst days, and it will be,” said Darrell Simpson, who lost his son last week to complications from COVID-19.
David Simpson was 52. He leaves behind a wife, Jeanette, and three children.
David Simpson was best known in Charlotte as the face, brains and smile behind his family’s Christmas tree lot.
David and Darrell Simpson became ill just after Thanksgiving, shortly before the season’s allotment of Christmas trees was scheduled to arrive from the mountains. Mary and Norman soon came down with the virus, too. The father believes the family contracted the disease in Union County, not from mingling with customers.
“Norman, David and all of us all got that COVID, a worse strain than a lot of people get,” Darrell Simpson said over the phone Tuesday, his breathing still labored. “I left the Christmas tree lot knowing I had COVID. I thought I would stay in bed for a week and get over it. But I just got worse and worse.”
Mary and Darrell were hospitalized in Monroe for two weeks. David stayed there for a month. Norman Simpson is still battling COVID-related pneumonia, his father says. The mother and father continue their slow recoveries at home.
At the hospital, David and his parents used to phone each other from their rooms on the second floor. The last time Darrell tried to call his son, David didn’t answer and didn’t call back. Darrell Simpson wonders now if his son felt too ill to respond. The two never spoke again.
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Sad situation, but I don't see any COVID connection to Christmas, other than they sold Christmas trees, unless I read it wrong.
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Sad situation, but I don't see any COVID connection to Christmas, other than they sold Christmas trees, unless I read it wrong.
Just another chance to push a certain agenda by a certain person.