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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Johnny B on December 01, 2020, 06:08:30 PM
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daws beatiful
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Cain needed to get one to fall.
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Theo looks like he's balding from the damage done to his hair.
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I think we see Koby with lots of minutes to defend Cade.
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Theo looks like he's balding from the damage done to his hair.
Uh. What?
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Ferron Flavors, Jr....
Ugh! I want the cool names survey back!
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I think we see Koby with lots of minutes to defend Cade.
Yup. Unfortunately I think he just got a foul there though.
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Need someone to stop cade.
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Idiotic foul by 22
THanks for the flagarant.
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Dirty. Both the dunk and the play from the defender.
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Cain gotta get better at the rim cause he would be unstoppable down there.
Kills it on the boards and that lob in bounds play
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Like the relentlessness on the boards.
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Justin Lewis is CLEAN
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Justin is a player.
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Like the relentlessness on the boards.
Cain and Lewis on the court together will pose issues on the O glass for teams this year
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Dexter in.
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Eeek DJ. Cant make that pass with all momentum. And got yourself a foul.
Great dime to Dawson before that though.
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Dexter in!, man we have so much depth
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lewis gonna be a stud
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Lewis is playing like an upperclassman, very impressive.
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Justin is a player.
I selected Lewis in the poll about which player would surprise the most. Like his total game. No fear.
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We gained a point!
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Well
Not a good sequence for Dex at all
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Is there a game chat?
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Dexter doesn't look all there yet. Needs to sit back down and go through practices
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Got caught with the wrong line up in for the zone press and zone
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Pretty bad last couple of minutes
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Akanno rusty. Out.
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Well
Not a good sequence for Dex at all
That was rough.
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Not a great start for Dexter. Essentially three straight turnovers on his first three touches. He will be fine but that is an ugly start.
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Welp. Akanno. Ummm
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Call a timeout and show your team a couple zone beaters, Wojo...
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That timeout should have come about 4 possessions ago.
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This is a brutal stretch.
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Zone and we are not just dumping it into Dawson constantly? Instead dexter is forcing?
Hopeful for dexter but this is not the game to just give Dex a run.
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yikessss....
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We gained a point!
How do we get more of those?
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Is there a game chat?
I didn't pay for premium this year, but you can use it directly on their site:
http://www.chatzy.com/69727990208775
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That timeout should have come about 4 possessions ago.
Honestly. Let’s give up basically the entire lead when it’s obvious the team is lost against the zone.
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0-15 run. Not good.
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Our zone offense seems to be to get Cain 3s. Odd.
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Why did Cain not contest that 3?
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Why did Cain not contest that 3?
Cuz he was five feet behind the line?
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OSU's zone is a little different than UAPB's.
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Can’t let bad offense turn in to bad defense like we did during that stretch
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How many times down the floor have we settled for a 3 since they started running the zone? Have Dawson run the offense out of the elbow with Theo running the baseline!
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Woj really got caught flat footed here, too slow to react. I’m cool with a coach seeing a switch happen, and taking a timeout a possession or two early, than waiting until it’s too late. Ugh.
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That hurt. Dawson at the line, Dawson at the line, Dawson at the line. My 8th grade team knows this....
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Cuz he was five feet behind the line?
He didn’t even put his hand up?
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Stop turning it over. Keep getting open shots like the last few possessions. They'll start missing the deep 3s
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The biggest issue is we have completely stopped playing D and they are hitting everything.
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Finally. Dawson at the line!!!!
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hows walker scoring in that position lol..
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Lets see if that Theo O board and Kick out to Koby shifts the Mo
Gotta make our free throws though.
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Judging by his body language, Cunningham’s expecting superstar calls.
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Is it just me or is this white noisy crowd noise super annoying!?
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Gah that was great ball movement then Theo travels.
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Dexter Diaster hurt big time. MU up ten, enter Dexter. Missed three, two turnovers lead to five points and a foul.
Turnovers are brutal, killing them.
OSU serious foul problems now. Take advantage.
More Carton, less Torrance please.
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Greg injureded?
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I'll take 1 Theo every 2 years please
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Greg injureded?
Greg over recruited
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Dj has the make up of an absolute stud.
But every turn over of his is like 3rd grade stuff and then he spends an entire possession dribbling in 1 place and passes to Koby to force him into a 40 footer.
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Is it just me or is this white noisy crowd noise super annoying!?
The. Worst.
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Carton. Seriously dude...
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yeah maybe jw
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What worries me is my trust factor tonight is Theo, Garcia, Lewis...that’s it.
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Carton. Seriously dude...
Early this year it almost seems like once he misses a shot he thinks hes not allowed to take another for 5 possessions.
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Carton. Seriously dude...
He's had more of those than I was expecting.
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What worries me is my trust factor tonight is Theo, Garcia, Lewis...that’s it.
Koby has been pretty in control. Can't be missing 1 and 1s but I think Koby has been fine so far.
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Carton is still shaking the rust off. He'll get there. Hopefully in time to win this game.
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Koby has been pretty in control. Can't be missing 1 and 1s but I think Koby has been fine so far.
You hit on my lack of trust with Koby.
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Symir does nothing for me.
We let our terrible stretch offensively affect our defensive energy. I expect bad stretches on offense early this year. The defense needs to be there for 40 minutes every night or we won’t be very good.
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Is our rim defense pretty good or are they just throwing out of control junk up there?
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Lewis is a board. Dude is everywhere on the glass.
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Lewis is excellent at walling up. Much better at avoiding fouls as a freshman than Theo was.
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Free throws gonna be an issue this year. Need Koby to find his form cause hes our 1 proven guy.
We definitely got this game if we can limit all the stupid sh it. 13 TO's is crazy. And it seems like ever since they made their run weve felt the pressure to force it on offense any time we get a stop.
Dawson taking the longest 2 possible. Justin dribbling into the lane with 3 guys there.
If we settle down we got this. I think the half came at the perfect time. Got the lead back, now can regroup.
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Symir does nothing for me.
We let our terrible stretch offensively affect our defensive energy. I expect bad stretches on offense early this year. The defense needs to be there for 40 minutes every night or we won’t be very good.
Agreed. Sy isn't quite there. Good passer when the ball is rotating but needs to be able to beat guys off the dribble to maximize his passing ability.
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Is our rim defense pretty good or are they just throwing out of control junk up there?
Lewis, Garcia, Theo.
That's a LOT of length/height.
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Free throws gonna be an issue this year. Need Koby to find his form cause hes our 1 proven guy.
We definitely got this game if we can limit all the stupid sh it. 13 TO's is crazy. And it seems like ever since they made their run weve felt the pressure to force it on offense any time we get a stop.
Dawson taking the longest 2 possible. Justin dribbling into the lane with 3 guys there.
If we settle down we got this. I think the half came at the perfect time. Got the lead back, now can regroup.
That Garcia shot was such a bad decision.
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What worries me is my trust factor tonight is Theo, Garcia, Lewis...that’s it.
Cain hitting the corner 3 tonight.
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Symir does nothing for me.
We let our terrible stretch offensively affect our defensive energy. I expect bad stretches on offense early this year. The defense needs to be there for 40 minutes every night or we won’t be very good.
Totally with you on Symir. Too much dribbling, poor decision making, questionable shot selection. Disappointed in his start this year, thought he’d improve. Still early in the year, but not feeling it.
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More TO’s than FG’s and we are up at half, amazing
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Symir does nothing for me.
We let our terrible stretch offensively affect our defensive energy. I expect bad stretches on offense early this year. The defense needs to be there for 40 minutes every night or we won’t be very good.
He just got too much Derrick in his offense right now. Teams don't respect him as a scorer at all. His attempted drive late in the half I think had 3 cowboys defenders chuckling as he came at them.
He does some good though.
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Cunningham. 6 points
Lewis 6 points and 9 rebounds.
Get #3 foul on him early and cut down turnovers (Theo with 4).
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Lewis, Garcia, Theo.
That's a LOT of length/height.
Big Man's game
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Lewis is a board. Dude is everywhere on the glass.
Those long arms are everywhere
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Lewis is a board. Dude is everywhere on the glass.
Amen. He is making me very happy.
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Lewis with 9 first half boards, glass eater.
If he can limit his 4 TO's, Theo is doing several other things well...his hands/touch is significantly better than any other year, pre/post injury.
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Why didn't they put up Lewis' stats with Garcia/Cade?
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I think if we end up winning this one. Carton gonna have a big half. Just feeling it.
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That said, Dawson getting swatted followed by them getting 4 chances to score and then a symir brick........not a good start.
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Justin pull the trigger!!!
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Lots of waiting. Ball movement stagnant. No one seems to be on the same page.
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mite as well go greg if sy cant shoot idk
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Could have called a few on Cunningham there.
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I really think Theo and Cain need to be out there nearly all the time - the seem to settle the youngn's down.
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mite as well go greg if sy cant shoot idk
Seriously. Greg can knock those shots down.
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Torrence. No.
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It’s painfully obvious what MU lacks on this team. I’m going to duck now as not to get yelled at.
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Symir has such an ugly looking shot. Shades of JJJ
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It’s painfully obvious what MU lacks on this team. I’m going to duck now as not to get yelled at.
A coach!
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DJ needs 25% of the Markus mentality.
I am ok with him shooting open early in the clock.
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A coach!
I was thinking a 6’8” outside shooter who can bury 3’s.
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HOw does the ref miss that???
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HOw does the ref miss that???
Ya. No review?
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Jamal 0-3 on two-on-one breaks with DJ. Give the ball up dude.
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I like Lewis coming up as the big man against the zone, but he’s coming out too far rather than staying at the free throw line for the catch.
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We have got to stop being so sloppy. Jamal bounce passes a 2 on 1 in to a foot. Leads to easy Cunningham basket
INstead of up 2......down 2.
We got this if we just tighten up.
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Crowd noise SO annoying.
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Take it to 2 seconds. Shoot a terrible shot.
And again... Jamal Cain should not be allowed to dribble.
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Jamal 0-3 on two-on-one breaks with DJ. Give the ball up dude.
To be fair, he gave it up.. Was just a terrible pass.
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Symir throwing bricks, not a good night.
MU jacking threes, seen this before.
Turnovers, ugh. Keep this up, they lose.
Wojo doing a “teaching moment” with Garcia. Believe it was a defense issue.
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Just not impressed with Carton so far. Suspect dribble and decision making. More of those layups will change my mind though.
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Not a single guy can stop turning it over. THeo had Greg wide open. Holds it, then chucks it a skipper out of bounds.
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Carton looks like he does a pretty good job getting to the hoop when he wants to. Let's see more of that!
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Garcia?????
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We have so many big guys.
We can't get the ball inside at all?
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This is one of the uglier halves I can remember
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Not going great. I've been pretty confident we were going to pull this out but definitely starting to look like an uphill climb.
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Carton looks like he does a pretty good job getting to the hoop when he wants to. Let's see more of that!
Hes the anti Markus right now. Looking for anything but his own pts.
Time to green light him.
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unfourtantlty those two weeks of practice missed were scheduled to be zone offense development. :/
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To be fair, he gave it up.. Was just a terrible pass.
he was going for the high risk high reward off the opponent shoe pass. Oops
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Two made baskets in 8 minutes
Five turnovers in same.
That’s really bad
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OMG
Koby now just hands it to the guy.
STOP TURNING IT OVER
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Is this play by play guy even watching the game???
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Same old Koby.
Let’s do more dribble until 2 seconds left in the shot clock.
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Comedy of errors
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i aint that sold on theo
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WTF
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Is this play by play guy even watching the game???
They aren’t at the game I believe.
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Stupid move by theo.
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They aren’t at the game I believe.
Definitely not. But took him 7 minutes to know greg was in. Hes thought like 3 fouls on them were offensive on us.
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Ballgame.
No offense to get back in this.
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7 minutes into this game i was talking about how this might be the best team in 8 years. Its been ugly since then
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We can't make baskets.
Can't make free throws.
And cant get a foul call.
Not sure down 8 is possible.
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Got punched in the mouth early and have been shell shocked since. Guys need to find their roll because right now it doesn’t seem like anybody other than Lewis knows what their roll is.
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Ballgame.
No offense to get back in this.
Hate to say it but I agree. Unless we're hitting some tough 3s I don't see it.
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This is pretty sad.. 2 makes all half?? wth
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7 minutes into this game i was talking about how this might be the best team in 8 years. Its been ugly since then
Honestly, the zone/press has affected us since then. And that's on Wojo.
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No counterpunch. That’s been a consistent theme
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12 minutes played, still have made only two field goals. Three by Koby, layup by Carton. That is disgusting and really almost impossible.
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7 minutes into this game i was talking about how this might be the best team in 8 years. Its been ugly since then
7 minutes into the game, my wife left the tv. Another thing to blame on her. Yet I love her.
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awful play vs the zone can only sit and chuck as we will not get an calls inside.
I am sure they were not prepared for a zone like this
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Seen this game so many times before during the Wojo era. In addition to everything else we are simply getting out hustled.
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They just legit cant play against zone rn. kinda amazing
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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20 TOs, so many unforced.
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Wojo confused. Team confused.
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Honestly, the zone/press has affected us since then. And that's on Wojo.
100% on Wojo. So disappointing
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Honestly, the zone/press has affected us since then. And that's on Wojo.
Ding ding ding. Exactly.
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Different players, same old Wojo. Dude is trash and needs to go. 2 field goals in second half, just inexcusable and we've seen this before
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This is on Wojo. Totally.
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Wojo should be fired just for that possession alone.
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Did we just never anticipate playing a zone defense?
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Woj, what would you say you do here?
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Wojo calls timeout: team let's shot clock expire. Frustratingly stupid basketball.
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ive never seen this before. This like a top 5 Cuse zone vs a kenpom 345 team. Thats how id describe this. How is it possible to have no zone offense at all.
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Hoping this is one of those games we lose early due to inexperience and all the new guys. I hope we show some more toughness later in the year.
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Wojo = Adam Gase
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I would only play zone against MU if I were an opposing coach.
Nobody who can really stretch the floor on a consistent basis this year. Maybe again but they can’t get the ball to him.
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Great timeout to get that shot, wojo
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They had me during the first two games I’m not going to lie. But this looks like an all too familiar script I’ve seen before.
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Seen this game so many times before during the Wojo era. In addition to everything else we are simply getting out hustled.
I am a Wojo fan but I have to agree. Where is the the f’n fight. Where is the hustle. Where is the chip on the shoulder. Soft. I think our guys are better and more athletic but just seem tentative. No swagger.
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Wojo clearly never prepared for a zone at all. No adjustments in game at all. Same story, different season.
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Wojo = Adam Gase
:) Difference is even that moron Woody Johnson will have enough brians to make a change by next year. At Marquette, same old same old.
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This is the worry with Markus gone. Where will the instant offense come from. But at least our D is better.
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Admittedly tuned in with 15 min left. Wow what happened to this team? Koby looking for Markus out there. He looks worse. Can we postpone the wisc game? Badgers licking their chops right now
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Theo fouled out then back in?
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Getting good looks now and still cant get buckets.
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I don't think we gotta worry about losing garcia or carton anytime soon to the league
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Studs (Dawson, Markus, Henry, Joey) commit because Wojo makes an unconditional promise to give them the fluorescent green light and have the ball in their hands on every single possession. The problem is that’s the extent of Wojo’s basketball coaching acumen. Same story, new characters.
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On the bright side, DJ ain't going pro anytime soon.
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Seen this game so many times before during the Wojo era. In addition to everything else we are simply getting out hustled.
The players change but the play remains the same.
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Yeah Carton blows right now.This is real bad news
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Carton is sloppy.
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Can’t hit wide open 3’s...
Oh also can’t dribble.
Oh and can’t pass.
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Nice to see the usual suspects are back again this year
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Refs are trash for good measure
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On the bright side, DJ ain't going pro anytime soon.
Ha. Sad but true. Don’t understand the hype. He looks lost.
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Studs (Dawson, Markus, Henry, Joey) commit because Wojo makes an unconditional promise to give them the fluorescent green light and have the ball in their hands on every single possession. The problem is that’s the extent of Wojo’s basketball coaching acumen. Same story, new characters.
I don't see Dawson with an auto green-light (did you see him benched today?). But it'd be nice if guys could get their own shot today.
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100% on Wojo. So disappointing
Yup
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Yeah Carton blows right now.This is real bad news
This is the first game I've seen Carton play, and he is flat out terrible. Walking turnover who can't shoot.
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Well at least we will get a good draft choice next year.
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This is the Marquette I think we all expected before the year. No offensive playmaker to bail out Wojos terrible offensive game plan.
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This white noise fake crowd noise is making this that much more unwatchable
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Well at least we will get a good draft choice next year.
I’m looking forward to that top 5 pick
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On the bright side none of us had to pay for seats or parking.
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This is all coaching
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Defensive intensity shows up for the first time with 3:45 left. Where has that been for the entire game coach????
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Did they just rave about Buzz Petersen as a great coaching mentor for Boynton? He of 1 career NCAA appearance, a terrible stretch at Tennessee, and a career based largely on being MJ’s old roommate and buddy?
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Marquette just hasn't been able to recruit a true, tough pg since junior cadougan. Carton just looks no good against real competition, I was worried with the bad turnovers against cupcakes.....
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Nice to see the usual suspects are back again this year
You referencing Wojo and Co.?
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Carton doesnt want to shoot. He has these decent looks when guys go under the screen but never fires. Didnt he shoot like 40% last year
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I don't see Dawson with an auto green-light (did you see him benched today?). But it'd be nice if guys could get their own shot today.
I’m not saying it comes to fruition every second of every game. But that’s the deal and that’s how it plays out in the long run with Wojo’s teams... and it’s a team-wide negative despite having truly great college basketball talents.
Dawson has had about as much of an auto green light as you can have in your first three games as a college freshman. You are not required to agree with that nor am I to agree with you.
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Defensive intensity shows up for the first time with 3:45 left. Where has that been for the entire game coach????
Defense hasn't really been the problem.
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This is all coaching
OK. I'll be the first to throw out the legitimate excuses. Over 50% of MUs scoring is gone. A bunch of young guys playing. 14 days of no practice due to Covid.
But, lots of talent out there, and Wojo need to fix it this year (well, next year due to covid).
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This white noise fake crowd noise is making this that much more unwatchable
Agreed. I muted it 10 minutes ago. Horrible. Other arenas are doing it well. This just gave me a headache.
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When Jamal Cain, Koby McEwen, and Symir Torrence are in your starting 5. Your team just isn't very good.
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Overload a side. Get the ball inside. Push the tempo against the inital press.
Basically, try anything except another high ball screen.
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Did they just rave about Buzz Petersen as a great coaching mentor for Boynton? He of 1 career NCAA appearance, a terrible stretch at Tennessee, and a career based largely on being MJ’s old roommate and buddy?
That's somehow as good as wojos accolades
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Once again Wojo has a team of crappy guards. No shooters (20% 2nd half). Turnover city (21 and counting). Groundhogs Day. UW not worried. Dang.
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OK. I'll be the first to throw out the legitimate excuses. Over 50% of MUs scoring is gone. A bunch of young guys playing. 14 days of no practice due to Covid.
But, lots of talent out there, and Wojo need to fix it this year (well, next year due to covid).
That would all be forgivable if we just graduated a team that won us a Big East title and/or took us to a Sweet Sixteen or something... but we’re not.
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Well, at least Bucky doesnt go Zone. So that might help us hit 55
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Koby keeps missing 3s from the same spot.
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OK. I'll be the first to throw out the legitimate excuses. Over 50% of MUs scoring is gone. A bunch of young guys playing. 14 days of no practice due to Covid.
But, lots of talent out there, and Wojo need to fix it this year (well, next year due to covid).
No more excuses. This is his 7th season.
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I'm ready for the post game threads. What will the wojo excuses be this year?
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That would all be forgivable if we just graduated a team that won us a Big East title and/or took us to a Sweet Sixteen or something... but we’re not.
Oklahoma State is playing how many freshman as well. They seem to be overcoming the experience issue.
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As I expected, this team has a long way to go. Lots of deficiencies exposed today. Wisco is gonna be brutal.
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OK. I'll be the first to throw out the legitimate excuses. Over 50% of MUs scoring is gone. A bunch of young guys playing. 14 days of no practice due to Covid.
But, lots of talent out there, and Wojo need to fix it this year (well, next year due to covid).
No more excuses
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That was an atrocious possession, absolutely atrocious.
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Lol is Theo drinking coconut water?
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God being a Marquette fans SUCKS right now. A glimmer of hope to start the season almost immediately torched by wojo. Almost funny bad, yet sad at the same time :'(
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Well, at least Bucky doesnt go Zone. So that might help us hit 55
They might once they get their hands on this film.
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Another beaut out of a time-out wow
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Koby should not be starting.
Jamal should not be starting.
That is unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.
Cade Cunningham doesn’t look
Like a World beater. Our offense looked just terrible.
Typically I am very optimistic. But this was disappointing.
1:30 left in the game down 10 and we take it down to 5 on the shot clock!?
WHAT THE unnatural carnal knowledge!
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Somehow, our worst possessions in this crappy game are immediately following time-outs. That’s gotta make a coach feel good.
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In fairness to Koby, he was the only one trying to get to the basket at all tonight. And he got hacked a bunch.
He was not the problem tonight and he did a damn good job on Cunningham as well.
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God Koby is bad. Acts like he gets hit in the mouth every drive. Schtick is up dude, pass the rock
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5 baskets made
10 turnovers made.
Nice half
Impossible
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Somehow, our worst possessions in this crappy game are immediately following time-outs. That’s gotta make a coach feel good.
But also pretty much the same old same old.
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When Koby McEwen is by far and away your best play you're in for trouble.
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Another amazing possession.
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We're playing way too slow. Flatfooted. Where's our coaching?
We let Oklahoma State control the tempo. Blame our coaching with this loss. We play too slow.
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God Koby is bad. Acts like he gets hit in the mouth every drive. Schtick is up dude, pass the rock
he’s the only guy doing things on offense.
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5 baskets made
10 turnovers made.
Nice half
Impossible
Make that 11
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Koby should not be starting.
Jamal should not be starting.
That is unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.
Cade Cunningham doesn’t look
Like a World beater. Our offense looked just terrible.
Typically I am very optimistic. But this was disappointing.
1:30 left in the game down 10 and we take it down to 5 on the shot clock!?
WHAT THE unnatural carnal knowledge!
who the hell do you suggest statrt? jose? Sy? DJ? they all shat the bed today sadly
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Best part about this game is that it will be over.
Miraculously it will be a short season, glad we wont have to suffer through 20 games. I love MUBB but year after year of mediocrity gets so old. Here's hoping something worthwhile happens next couple games. Beating WI would help.
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he’s the only guy doing things on offense.
Because the ball never comes out of his hands.
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Koby keeps missing 3s from the same spot.
At least he’s shooting
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Because the ball never comes out of his hands.
Because every other guard is scared to do anything.
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It’s kind of crazy how not a single player had a good game today. Like everyone was bad
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OK. I'll be the first to throw out the legitimate excuses. Over 50% of MUs scoring is gone. A bunch of young guys playing. 14 days of no practice due to Covid.
But, lots of talent out there, and Wojo need to fix it this year (well, next year due to covid).
That would play if it wasn’t the same thing as when those factors aren’t at play. Other coaches out-adjust Wojo so completely, game in and game out. 20 points in the first 8 min, 24 in the next 20. No movement, no tweaks, just stagnant.
This is a top 25 roster with tons of talent, just no guidance from the top
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Because the ball never comes out of his hands.
Not like DJ, or Sy we’re doing anything to initiate the offense.
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The cherry on top would’ve been a completely vapid huddle speech where Wojo essentially encourages the guys to try harder. Shame we missed out on that honestly.
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The cherry on top would’ve been a completely vapid huddle speech where Wojo essentially encourages the guys to try harder. Shame we missed out on that honestly.
Just got my bingo
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Wojo has to go...we've seen this sh1t too many times. I don't mind missed shots, but he has 3/4 of the game to figure out the zone and it got worse as the game went on. This isn't me reacting to one bad game in a new season...rather multiple examples of an inability to coach to the basics. That zone was sh1t...you won't see them use it to that level of success ever again this year.
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Best part about this game is that it will be over.
Miraculously it will be a short season, glad we wont have to suffer through 20 games. I love MUBB but year after year of mediocrity gets so old. Here's hoping something worthwhile happens next couple games. Beating WI would help.
beating WI ain’t happenin’
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who the hell do you suggest statrt? jose? Sy? DJ? they all shat the bed today sadly
Hi Johnny,
Thanks for asking. Sy is already starting.
Second I do think DJ should be starting.
I also now feel JL should be starting.
But if you’d like to stick with jamal who can’t dribble more than 3 feet and Koby that’s fine.
Oh also I think Greg could start. He at least had energy.
But I guess you’re right.
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You can hear some of these questions in Lavin’s commentary. I think he was incredulous that MU can’t solve a zone. “It’s not like Wojo has never seen a zone.”
Wojo is a terrible coach. He’s a GREAT recruiter but I actually think he’s just kind of dumb.
If he’s benching Garcia this early in the season, it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the year.
This was a disastrous performance.
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After two blowouts, the Garcia, Carton and Theo to NBA just slowed down.
The Dexter Decision really hurt. MU up ten and Dexter lead to 7 opponents points in like two minutes.
Garcia and Lewis scoreless in second half, but Lewis had 13 boards and two blocks.
Garcia sat for a long, long, time after he did something wrong in first few minutes of second. Maybe too long.
Jamal played with heart, 13 points and 13 rebounds. Everyone else not so good.
I still don’t understand how over the years, Wojos teams have gone thru scoring droughts of immense proportions. Tonight was in a class by itself, but has always been a point of contention.
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You can hear some of these questions in Lavin’s commentary. I think he was incredulous that MU can’t solve a zone. “It’s not like Wojo has never seen a zone.”
Wojo is a terrible coach. He’s a GREAT recruiter but I actually think he’s just kind of dumb.
If he’s benching Garcia this early in the season, it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the year.
This was a disastrous performance.
good assessment of Wojo...kind of dumb. I’d agree. I mean, he proves it each game.
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I think I heard the shot clock buzzer more times tonight than in a typical 6-8 game stretch. That was hard to watch everyone just standing around.
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Very simple... we’ve got no 3 point shooting. The future formula to beat us has been revealed; just play zone and rebound the bricks. Poor Garcia.
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Wojo doesn't have an alpha on the team that can break down defenses which puts pressure on a bunch of shooters to overcompensate and make plays. That's the main issue with this team and will plague them most of the season. They'll get some favorable matchups here and there along with a few great nights of shooting but any athletic team will put pressure on them. MU doesn't have a counter for that. This team is 2 dimensional on offense - at best. One person like Dominic James would make all the difference for this team and make them a tough matchup by being able to breakdown the opposing defense. MU will get blown out by teams with stifling, quick guards that create turnovers. MU lacks a legit ball handler. Honesty I was surprised Ok. St. didn't pressure sooner. The game was closer than it should have been.
Otherwise, I'm surprised by how well the defense plays.
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No way to beat the zone. Still.
We played good defense. So did OS. Right on no legit ball handler, no go-to guy. Hopefully we get better.
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The reality is that this team is not a good shooting team, including FT%. Defensively, they're solid.
The only way this team finishes over .500 is to play error-free (limited turnovers) basketball. Not particularly optimistic based on the history of Wojo's teams.
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At least with Markus Howard we had a player that brought MU some pub and was fun to watch. Now? Back to low IQ Wojo and the normalcy of mediocrity and insignificance.
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After two blowouts, the Garcia, Carton and Theo to NBA just slowed down.
After two blowouts?
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The reality is that this team is not a good shooting team, including FT%. Defensively, they're solid.
The only way this team finishes over .500 is to play error-free (limited turnovers) basketball. Not particularly optimistic based on the history of Wojo's teams.
They literally are built like a Badgers squad......
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Worse than the game, worse than the refs, worse than the fans, were the TV crew. One comment was that he "handled the ball like like it was a tangerine". Never shut up so we could watch the game -- are all press who cover the game told NEVER have any time that you are not bloviating? Finally had to turn off the sound.
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One comment was that he "handled the ball like like it was a tangerine.”
(I actually kinda liked that line)
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It’s kind of crazy how not a single player had a good game today. Like everyone was bad
But they looked so good in those uniforms adorned with BLM patches. Making political statements is far more important than playing quality basketball.
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Very simple... we’ve got no 3 point shooting. The future formula to beat us has been revealed; just play zone and rebound the bricks. Poor Garcia.
Poor Garcia? Hard to zone a team when you have a 6'11" kid that has a good mid game and can hit the 3. He wasn't used correctly at all.
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Folks get tired of rants against Wojo, but what happened in this game is a multi-game annual occurrence. 15-0 runs. No answer for a zone. Players seemingly unenthused. And, it would appear, the roster is once again unbalanced as outside shooting is suspect. Wojo has recruited some nice players during his time at MU, but never a cohesive team. I anticipate a better effort on Friday, but the result will be another L to RED.
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Folks get tired of rants against Wojo, but what happened in this game is a multi-game annual occurrence. 15-0 runs. No answer for a zone. Players seemingly unenthused. And, it would appear, the roster is once again unbalanced as outside shooting is suspect. Wojo has recruited some nice players during his time at MU, but never a cohesive team. I anticipate a better effort on Friday, but the result will be another L to RED.
+1,000 - different year, same problems
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I am of two minds. The team has all new pieces and very little time together b/c of COVID--so there is a rational out. However, because of the coaching track record, I am not sure that it's a good excuse.
The fact we have seen this movie over and over again clearly keeps building frustration. Plus the rotations, the use of our skillsets and the fact we were trying to dibble through a zone for 15 mins was just so wrong. Instead of 'hey they haven't worked on this' it looked like 'we have no idea what to do and are receiving poor direction'.
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We're the announcers in the arena last night or were they calling the game from a studio?
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I am of two minds. The team has all new pieces and very little time together b/c of COVID--so there is a rational out. However, because of the coaching track record, I am not sure that it's a good excuse.
The fact we have seen this movie over and over again clearly keeps building frustration. Plus the rotations, the use of our skillsets and the fact we were trying to dibble through a zone for 15 mins was just so wrong. Instead of 'hey they haven't worked on this' it looked like 'we have no idea what to do and are receiving poor direction'.
Early season hoops has its painful moments and teams will suck on occasion. Last night we saw what has been painfully often for awhile. Is it a single occurrence or will the team grow from it and improve?
No one expects an undefeated season, many teams MU will play are better. But playing lost and confused repeatedly is simply bad coaching and an abuse of player’s talent that they have entrusted with MU.
Many of us are tired of the same problems demonstrated year after year and nervously await that they finally improve.
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Frustration with not being able to solve the zone defense that OK State threw at us. Bobby Knight, when a color commentator said, if they throw a 2-3 zone at you you feed a guy at the free throw line which opens things up. If a 3-2 you flood the baseline with three guys. We have guys who can hit a a three, including Garcia and Cain.
It’s a mystery.
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Early season hoops has its painful moments and teams will suck on occasion. Last night we saw what has been painfully often for awhile. Is it a single occurrence or will the team grow from it and improve?
No one expects an undefeated season, many teams MU will play are better. But playing lost and confused repeatedly is simply bad coaching and an abuse of player’s talent that they have entrusted with MU.
Many of us are tired of the same problems demonstrated year after year and nervously await that they finally improve.
Your words are perfect! Fans are upset with Wojo's failures but it is easy to forget that the players are really the ones he let down. They get a lot of the blame and have a right to good coaching. I have always believed that an entire team cannot fail in unison. Whether the team is Marquette or Hicksville College is irrelevant. A so-called team wide failure is simply a cover story for bad coaching.
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Your words are perfect! Fans are upset with Wojo's failures but it is easy to forget that the players are really the ones he let down. They get a lot of the blame and have a right to good coaching. I have always believed that an entire team cannot fail in unison. Whether the team is Marquette or Hicksville College is irrelevant. A so-called team wide failure is simply a cover story for bad coaching.
Bad coaching is there, but players are on the floor and yesterday to often they did not understand clock management. I would expect the Badgers to not play any
zone, not in there make-up but play as good as man D as anyone in the country. Lets see how they play against that. Then maybe against GB, they might see some
zone if Will Ryan is smart enough to do that. More concerned when they go to Creighton, try and not get blown out there. The point guards have to be better. Carton
has to value the ball better, make some shots. Torrence, not sure what he brings yet. Both players do not have jump shots or quick shots, more like set shots, and that is a problem against the zone.