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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Pakuni on October 08, 2020, 08:35:35 PM
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Wichita State men’s basketball coach Gregg Marshall is under investigation by the university for his behavior toward current and former players in the program, sources told The Athletic.
The investigation comes in the wake of six scholarship players and a walk-on transferring in the spring, as well as a 2020 commit, Ja’Dun Michael, asking out of his letter of intent. Included in the transfers were the Shockers’ second- and third-leading scorers, Erik Stevenson and Jamarius Burton.
The allegations include physical and verbal abuse by Marshall against a player and basketball staff member, as well as a Wichita State student who parked in his parking spot on campus.
Full story, if you're a subscriber:
https://theathletic.com/2123302/2020/10/08/gregg-marshall-under-investigation-by-wichita-state-for-allegations-of-misconduct/
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I mean....No duh
The guy is a psychopath. Brilliant basketball mind, but a legit crazy person.
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https://twitter.com/MikeBeauvais/status/1314382236406480896?s=19
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Yeah, but when he gets fired, doesn’t MU administration owe it to MU fans to at least contact him to see if he’s interested?
So sick of being mediocre.
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He’s well known amongst coaches a being a dick and his wife is a psycho too.
The guy is paid by Charles Koch, he’s the guy who will have to sign off on this.
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Another bullet dodged.
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Yeah, but when he gets fired, doesn’t MU administration owe it to MU fans to at least contact him to see if he’s interested?
So sick of being mediocre.
Very nice
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SHOCKER: REPORTS REVEAL ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR BY WICHITA STATE COACH GREGG MARSHALL
https://www.outkick.com/shocker-report-reveals-abusive-behavior-by-wichita-state-coach-gregg-marshall/
by JASON KING
30 minutes agoupdated 13 minutes ago
Allegedly …
Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall punched a player in the back of the head.
He wrapped his hands around the neck of his assistant during practice and choked him in front of the entire team.
He fat-shamed a player and also cursed out a student who had parked in his designated space.
“Do you know who the unnatural carnal knowledge I am?” Marshall allegedly said
For nearly a decade now, most people have known exactly who Gregg Marshall is — one of the best coaches in all of college basketball.
He led the ninth-seeded Shockers to the 2013 Final Four and a 35-1 record a year later. Fred VanVleet, Landry Shamet, Cleanthony Early and Ron Baker earned millions in the NBA thanks, in large part, to Marshall. Seemingly every offseason, bigger programs tried to hire Marshall—who averaged 29.7 wins over a seven-year span—away with insane offers of cash. Alabama one year. Missouri the next.
But Wichita State always matched them. The Shockers knew what they had.
Or did they?
A scathing report by Stadium’s Jeff Goodman Thursday evening chronicled a pattern of disturbing behavior by Marshall. During his six-month investigation, Goodman interviewed 26 current or former Wichita State players and 10 assistants who have coached under Marshall.
“He’s a maniac, a bully,” a former Wichita State assistant told Goodman. “He disrespects people, brings up personal stuff, family, girlfriends.”
Among the most damning allegations Stadium uncovered:
* After former player Shaq Morris delivered a hard foul that knocked teammate Zach Brown to the floor during practice in October of 2015, Marshall approached Morris from behind and punched him in the head. “I know you did that on purpose to try to hurt him,” Marshall allegedly yelled.
Hours earlier, the report said, Morris had sat in Marshall’s office and cried because he’d just learned his mother had cancer. Marshall apologized to Morris in front of the team the next day.
* Marshall fat-shamed a player by raising his jersey during a workout and grabbing the player’s belly, poking fun at his girth.
* At a practice during the 2016-17 season, Marshall became irritated with assistant coach Kyle Linstead. A player told Goodman that Marshall “put his hands around Linstead’s throat and tried to choke him.” Linstead is now at Minnesota.
* According to The Athletic, in the spring of 2016, Marshall got into his car to chase down a vehicle that had been parked in his designated spot at the Kohl Center. Marshall allegedly sped ahead of the car, blocked it from leaving the parking lot and then yelled, “Do you know who the unnatural carnal knowledge I am?” at the driver. The driver responded with an expletive, prompting Marshall to exit his vehicle, approach the car and attempt to punch the driver through the window, which was rolled down.
As a result of Stadium’s reporting, Wichita State has hired a St. Louis-based law firm, Tueth Keeney, to investigate Marshall.
A former national college basketball reporter for multiple outlets, I’ve spent a considerable amount of time around Marshall and his program. For years I told people that he was on my (very) short list of favorite coaches I’ve ever covered. Yes, I knew he took a tough-love approach with his players, that he was a bit of a brow-beater. But those are the kind of coaches I like. Our society is way too soft.
I’ve had dinner with Marshall multiple times at recruiting events in Las Vegas and candid, discussions with him about his background and his coaching philosophies. Marshall is wise and worldly. He can be gruff but also incredibly kind. He’s a great father and family man who has involved his son, Kellen, with the team since he was in high school. Marshall has treated me great. I’ve always respected him, and I’m confident that most media members who have covered him regularly in Wichita —where Marshall opens up his postgame locker room to young fans seeking autographs— feel the same way.
Nationally, though, college basketball pundits bristled at Marshall. They’d hear stories about him chewing out a player and then bad-mouth him on the radio. Or they hear him snap at a bone-headed reporter during a press conference and label him a jerk. I always told them that, if they knew the real Gregg Marshall, they wouldn’t say those things.
After reading Goodman’s report, I realize that I may be the one who never knew the real Gregg Marshall. Because if these accusations are true, then … yikes. the school will have to decide whether to keep its coach and his $3.5 million contract and private plane — or let him move on.
It certainly won’t be an easy choice. Marshall has long had the support of prominent Wichita State donors and fans, most notably the Koch family. And while many players ripped Marshall in Goodman’s report, there are plenty who still love him, too.
On Friday morning, Cleanthony Early — the star of the 2013 Final Four squad —tweeted: “‘Normal’ is an illusion. What is normal to the spider is chaos to the fly. Some are built for certain conditions. Others are not!”
When contacted by Outkick for further comment, Early said: “I tweeted my feelings on the subject. GM is my guy.”
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Already a topic in the Superbar.
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The anecdote about the parking spot and "don't you know who the F I am?" was straight out of the Tom Crean playbook.
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Yeah, but when he gets fired, doesn’t MU administration owe it to MU fans to at least contact him to see if he’s interested?
So sick of being mediocre.
This.
Lot of Scoop minutes spent over the last decade on claiming MU wasn't a legitimate program because we never got a serious look from Psycho Killer Greg.
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Good article by Dauster on Marshall.
https://robdauster.substack.com/p/the-end-of-the-coaching-bully?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNjIxNTc4NywicG9zdF9pZCI6ODczNDMyMCwiXyI6InZyMlpGIiwiaWF0IjoxNjAyMjUyNjE2LCJleHAiOjE2MDIyNTYyMTYsImlzcyI6InB1Yi03OTI1MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.lWOBI8zi6IiQFwYEd0kEUJFgA6iEuVBkpzgoRWuo-EQ
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The anecdote about the parking spot and "don't you know who the F I am?" was straight out of the Tom Crean playbook.
A quote from a current D1 assistant/former D1 head coach with whom I was discussing Marshall during the spring after all of the transfers (and him knowing I’m a MU grad): “he’s a psycho like Crean on the sidelines but at least Crean cares about his players off the court.” None of what Marshall did is new info amongst coaches.
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Good article by Dauster on Marshall.
https://robdauster.substack.com/p/the-end-of-the-coaching-bully?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNjIxNTc4NywicG9zdF9pZCI6ODczNDMyMCwiXyI6InZyMlpGIiwiaWF0IjoxNjAyMjUyNjE2LCJleHAiOjE2MDIyNTYyMTYsImlzcyI6InB1Yi03OTI1MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.lWOBI8zi6IiQFwYEd0kEUJFgA6iEuVBkpzgoRWuo-EQ
This will be something to watch from afar.
Wichita State has staked itself on its basketball program and winning is paramount. Gregg Marshall has won big at Wichita State. A lot of Shockers fans and boosters will rally around him regardless of what the facts are or what an independent investigation may find. It’s human nature to protect the tribe and sports fandom is very tribal.
The choice would be easy if he had subpar record there. He doesn’t. What does an university value? Winning basketball games or fostering a safe atmosphere for its students?
We’ve heard the stories of coaches of yore doing similar things but this is 2020, not 1970. This shouldn’t be a hard choice but Billy Gillespie has a job. People still try to hire Art Briles.
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This will be something to watch from afar.
Wichita State has staked itself on its basketball program and winning is paramount. Gregg Marshall has won big at Wichita State. A lot of Shockers fans and boosters will rally around him regardless of what the facts are or what an independent investigation may find. It’s human nature to protect the tribe and sports fandom is very tribal.
The choice would be easy if he had subpar record there. He doesn’t. What does an university value? Winning basketball games or fostering a safe atmosphere for its students?
We’ve heard the stories of coaches of yore doing similar things but this is 2020, not 1970. This shouldn’t be a hard choice but Billy Gillespie has a job. People still try to hire Art Briles.
Nah, he's done. Five players decided to transfer after the season. Greg has physically and emotionally abused his last basketball team for a while.
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People aren't irredeemable. People deserve second chances. So in the case of Gillespie, I am fine with him having a job as long as he was sorry for his behavior, understood why it was wrong, and the steps he has taken to ensure it doesn't happen again.
But IMO you can't really get there unless you go through the fire first.
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People aren't irredeemable. People deserve second chances. So in the case of Gillespie, I am fine with him having a job as long as he was sorry for his behavior, understood why it was wrong, and the steps he has taken to ensure it doesn't happen again.
But IMO you can't really get there unless you go through the fire first.
I don’t disagree but Billy has been a turd everywhere he’s gone
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People aren't irredeemable. People deserve second chances. So in the case of Gillespie, I am fine with him having a job as long as he was sorry for his behavior, understood why it was wrong, and the steps he has taken to ensure it doesn't happen again.
But IMO you can't really get there unless you go through the fire first.
Quinn Snyder was a cocaine abuser and coed chaser while at Missouri. Larry Eustachy has his drinking issues at Iowa State. Both redeemed themselves after hitting bottom. But this seems to be part of Marshall’s personality and psyche.
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This will be something to watch from afar.
Wichita State has staked itself on its basketball program and winning is paramount. Gregg Marshall has won big at Wichita State. A lot of Shockers fans and boosters will rally around him regardless of what the facts are or what an independent investigation may find. It’s human nature to protect the tribe and sports fandom is very tribal.
The choice would be easy if he had subpar record there. He doesn’t. What does an university value? Winning basketball games or fostering a safe atmosphere for its students?
We’ve heard the stories of coaches of yore doing similar things but this is 2020, not 1970. This shouldn’t be a hard choice but Billy Gillespie has a job. People still try to hire Art Briles.
Well, it's the Koch brothers, so....
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Quinn Snyder was a cocaine abuser and coed chaser while at Missouri. Larry Eustachy has his drinking issues at Iowa State. Both redeemed themselves after hitting bottom. But this seems to be part of Marshall’s personality and psyche.
Eustachy pretty much got forced out of his last job at Colorado State for promoting a culture of fear.
I agree people deserve second chances but their won/loss record determines a lot of those opportunities.
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Quinn Snyder was a cocaine abuser and coed chaser while at Missouri. Larry Eustachy has his drinking issues at Iowa State. Both redeemed themselves after hitting bottom. But this seems to be part of Marshall’s personality and psyche.
So Marshall just needs to get bounced for a year or two in the NBA and then shipped off to Russia and then he’s good, easy peasy
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Statement from Marshall.
https://twitter.com/tayloreldridge/status/1314635922068189190
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https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article246434710.html
"In response to the allegations put forward in the media, I simply state unequivocally that I have never physically struck a player or colleague,” Marshall wrote. “Allegations claiming otherwise are false"
Got a feeling that this won't age well.
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https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article246434710.html
Got a feeling that this won't age well.
Blames the media of course...
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Apparently Greggggg was a dick at Winthrop also.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/20/gregg-marshall-abusive-behavior-allegations-winthrop-investigation-witchita-state
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Really good article by Wolken saying it's pretty much over for Marshall even though Wichita may not realize it yet.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2020/10/20/gregg-marshall-allegations-wichita-state-winthrop/5997926002/
Makes a good point pointing out how his highest profile former players, like Fred Van Vleet, haven't said a word of support.
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Really good article by Wolken saying it's pretty much over for Marshall even though Wichita may not realize it yet.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2020/10/20/gregg-marshall-allegations-wichita-state-winthrop/5997926002/
Makes a good point pointing out how his highest profile former players, like Fred Van Vleet, haven't said a word of support.
Cleanthony Early is probably his next highest profile former player and he came to his defense
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Apparently Greggggg was a dick at Winthrop also.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/20/gregg-marshall-abusive-behavior-allegations-winthrop-investigation-witchita-state
Sounds like a pleasant fellow.
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Marshall was suspended at least once while at Winthrop for his behavior, but the AD there at the time denied it was because Marshall was abusive or racist.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/mens-basketball/article246605823.html?ac_cid=DM307069&ac_bid=-1680641721
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Marshall is out at WSU apparently.
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Marshall is out at WSU apparently.
If Scholl isn't on the phone with Marshall immediately he should be out.
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If Scholl isn't on the phone with Marshall immediately he should be out.
Bring Gregg home
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If Scholl isn't on the phone with Marshall immediately he should be out.
Well that doesn't sound like a good idea the guy just got fired for being a lunatic
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Well that doesn't sound like a good idea the guy just got fired for being a lunatic
I believe that Wades comment was meant to be in teal, as there is a portion of the fanbase here that believe that we should be reaching out to every possible high quality coach on the market even though Wojo is still under contract and the University is not really in a position financially to be able to move on from him, no matter what the current perception of the program is. See the (assuming locked now) Billy Donovan thread.
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I believe that Wades comment was meant to be in teal, as there is a portion of the fanbase here that believe that we should be reaching out to every possible high quality coach on the market even though Wojo is still under contract and the University is not really in a position financially to be able to move on from him, no matter what the current perception of the program is. See the (assuming locked now) Billy Donovan thread.
That was me. I stand by it, but it really got wades and a couple other people weirdly bothered to the point they have trouble letting go I'm just not humoring him because he keeps trying to make that one comment I made specifically regarding Donovan out to be referencing every single successful coach out there.
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That was me. I stand by it, but it really got wades and a couple other people weirdly bothered to the point they have trouble letting go I'm just not humoring him because he keeps trying to make that one comment I made specifically regarding Donovan out to be referencing every single successful coach out there.
Well, then I'll stay out of it, and leave you two to leave subtle digs at each other. Scoop 2020 I guess.
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That was me. I stand by it, but it really got wades and a couple other people weirdly bothered to the point they have trouble letting go I'm just not humoring him because he keeps trying to make that one comment I made specifically regarding Donovan out to be referencing every single successful coach out there.
I think Billy Donovan is on a little bit of a different level than Gregg Marshall.
Not to wades though. ::) ::)
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I think Billy Donovan is on a little bit of a different level than Gregg Marshall.
Not to wades though. ::) ::)
Like I said, if the private jet isn't already on it's way to Wichita, Scholl should be gone by 5:00.
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1328729763939311616
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Marshall has apparently resigned
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Make. The. Call.
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Make. The. Call.
If Scholl were any good, Gregg will be MU's coach by the end of the week.
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Gregg gets a nice, $7.75 million going away present.
Enough for anger management counseling for he and the missus.
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A nice severance package for punching a player, choking an assistant, and verbally abusing, occasionally with ethnic slurs, his players.
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A nice severance package for punching a player, choking an assistant, and verbally abusing, occasionally with ethnic slurs, his players.
He's the coach that should have received $21
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A nice severance package for punching a player, choking an assistant, and verbally abusing, occasionally with ethnic slurs, his players.
credit his agent for getting him a contract that would pay him 50% of his remaining deal regardless of whether he was fired for cause or not. Somewhere Kevin Ollie is wondering why he didn't hire the same dude.
Make. The. Call.
So a dude who changed his screen name to "BLM" is ok with a coach who uses racial epithets (thanks MU82!) towards his players. How woke.
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So a dude who changed his screen name to "BLM" is ok with a coach who uses racial epitaphs towards his players. How woke.
Epitaph: a phrase or form of words written in memory of a person who has died, especially as an inscription on a tombstone.
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Epitaph: a phrase or form of words written in memory of a person who has died, especially as an inscription on a tombstone.
damn auto correct! >:(
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So a dude who changed his screen name to "BLM" is ok with a coach who uses racial epithets (thanks MU82!) towards his players. How woke.
He doesn't actually want to hire him he just has a personality issue where if he disagrees with you he acts like a child interjecting what was said on one instance to every possible similar situation and can't let it go. It's sad really.
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Remember that whack job mike rice.
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He doesn't actually want to hire him he just has a personality issue where if he disagrees with you he acts like a child interjecting what was said on one instance to every possible similar situation and can't let it go. It's sad really.
Lol.
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He doesn't actually want to hire him he just has a personality issue where if he disagrees with you he acts like a child interjecting what was said on one instance to every possible similar situation and can't let it go. It's sad really.
Now that's an epitaph, cuz galway just murdered wades.
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Now that's an epitaph, cuz galway just murdered wades.
Lol. Just a rich white kid, hey zigs?
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Crean sucks
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Super-interesting article about former Wichita State star who actually liked and respected Marshall but says he "crossed the line."
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article247424395.html?fbclid=IwAR3S1XjQEOkg6Ec6eKicK0n5f_MFTPXE674rsYk4rxCwKuUQ-CUGbFwFqJs