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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: rocket surgeon on September 15, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
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this is one of many really sad stories to come of the fires in california-a guy runs out to get a trailer to help his family move out the area, away from the fires. on his way back, he runs into this person, unrecognizable, crumpled up in the road badly burned. starts to help her and...she tells him, i am your wife. gets her to hospital and she tells him to go back and look for 13 year old son and mother in law. too late. all dead, including their 200 lb. bull mastiff. very sad
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-wildfires-search-burned-wife-teen-son-mother-in-law
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Oregon.
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Oregon.
thanks...out west
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It has been a brutal fire season all up and down the West Coast. California has already seen more acres burned than their previous record, and the peak wildfire season is just beginning. Portland has been under a dense smoke advisory for the past couple of days, and as rocket mentioned, people are dying trying to escape some of the worst fires.
Truly a sad situation.
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Why do people choose to live there? It’s never been completely safe from wild fires. It’s beautiful but it’s not a safe place to live.
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Why do people choose to live there? It’s never been completely safe from wild fires. It’s beautiful but it’s not a safe place to live.
Why do people live in Oklahoma (tornadoes), the Gulf Coast or the Mid-Atlantic (hurricanes), or all of Japan (earthquakes), or in Naples (Vesuvius is *right* there! Is our species so incapable of learning?) Clearly, the only choice is to abandon all these lands. Mother Nature is a bloodthirsty mistress, and we are fools to tempt her.
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Why do people choose to live there? It’s never been completely safe from wild fires. It’s beautiful but it’s not a safe place to live.
If you are looking for a place that is 'completely safe,' planet earth was a bad choice.
Now if you were a cockroach....
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And for what it's worth, given that you're asking why people would choose to live in Oregon (the site of the story related by rocket)....
We asked 12 climate scientists where they'd live in the US to avoid future natural disasters. Here's what they said.
https://www.businessinsider.com/where-to-live-to-avoid-natural-disaster-climatologists-2018-8
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For those unwilling to give up on a coast, Portland may be ideal. Compared to other coastal states, Oregon faces less property at risk because of sea-level rise and less physical area exposed, Kristy Dahl, a climate scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told Business Insider.
It's also less vulnerable to hurricanes compared to cities along the East and Gulf Coasts, according to Astrid Caldas, a senior climate scientist at UCS.
He travels to dozens of cities each year, Shandas said, but few rival Portland's ability to withstand major climate events. A 2011 report from Portland State University echoed that— it predicted that the Willamette Valley would become a refuge for people looking to escape the harsh effects of climate change.
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It has been a brutal fire season all up and down the West Coast. California has already seen more acres burned than their previous record, and the peak wildfire season is just beginning. Portland has been under a dense smoke advisory for the past couple of days, and as rocket mentioned, people are dying trying to escape some of the worst fires.
Truly a sad situation.
while there have been deaths thankfully not as many as initially feared.
The worst wild fire near Portland since I've been here was 3 years ago when an idiot teenager was throwing smoke bombs in the Gorge. There was ash falling a good 40 miles away. The smoke here has been insane, the few times I've had to go out I've worn two masks.
For all of the "it always rains in Portland," well it hasn't and rain is becoming less common. I can only think of 2 days of any substantial rain since the beginning of June. Our forests and land is ridiculously dry. Combine that with some poor forest management because of the extreme environmental lobby out here blocking controlled burns and responsible clearing of areas, along with climate change and it was a disaster waiting to happen.
https://katu.com/news/on-your-side/lack-of-forest-management-allowed-fuels-to-accumulate-expert-says
As far as the "danger" here. I've lived in areas with tornados, floods, and hurricanes. No places 100% safe. While smoke is bad I can stay inside and know I'll be safe as will my home. The only problem is that my favorite bottle shops have been closed due to the AQ so my ability to get fresh hop beers is not happening right now.
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Billy – what part of Portland do you live in? I have a good friend who lives in Tigard. She was just a few miles from the evacuation zone a couple days back, but apparently they have pulled those back a little bit.
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Billy – what part of Portland do you live in? I have a good friend who lives in Tigard. She was just a few miles from the evacuation zone a couple days back, but apparently they have pulled those back a little bit.
SW Hills near downtown.
South of the city like Tigard was getting pretty bad. My assistant lives in Canby, further south than Tigard, and she and her husband were packed and ready to go as they'd hit Level 2 orders but were staying because of reports of break-ins. Luckily they never got to a forced evacuation order.
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Billy – what part of Portland do you live in? I have a good friend who lives in Tigard. She was just a few miles from the evacuation zone a couple days back, but apparently they have pulled those back a little bit.
Orange County.
Billy is chicos, remember. ::) ::)
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Orange County.
Billy is chicos, remember. ::) ::)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. ;D ;D
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While smoke is bad I can stay inside and know I'll be safe as will my home. The only problem is that my favorite bottle shops have been closed due to the AQ so my ability to get fresh hop beers is not happening right now.
You apparently don't frequent the "new" John's Marketplace on Powell (vs the old on Multnomah). I've heard good things, and they are certainly still open.
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You apparently don't frequent the "new" John's Marketplace on Powell (vs the old on Multnomah). I've heard good things, and they are certainly still open.
I went up to Multnomah on Sunday since I was out that way and they were closed. I’ll have to check out the new one. One of my wife’s friends owns a food cart around the corner, Azul.
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SW Hills near downtown.
South of the city like Tigard was getting pretty bad. My assistant lives in Canby, further south than Tigard, and she and her husband were packed and ready to go as they'd hit Level 2 orders but were staying because of reports of break-ins. Luckily they never got to a forced evacuation order.
I'm in North Portland by UP and I can barely even see the river bank over there. The in laws are in the far north of Clackamas county and have been at the ready for days.
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this is one of many really sad stories to come of the fires in california-a guy runs out to get a trailer to help his family move out the area, away from the fires. on his way back, he runs into this person, unrecognizable, crumpled up in the road badly burned. starts to help her and...she tells him, i am your wife. gets her to hospital and she tells him to go back and look for 13 year old son and mother in law. too late. all dead, including their 200 lb. bull mastiff. very sad
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-wildfires-search-burned-wife-teen-son-mother-in-law
Yeah, I read that story too. Heart wrenching stuff. :(
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I’ve flown into Oakland 5 times in the past 2 weeks. Smoke starts around 20,000 feet and goes to the ground. Everyday visibility at the airport is 1 mile or less. It is awful there.
My in-laws were just ordered a manditory evac from their homestead. Dad decided to stay and try and fight the fires with a garden hose...
No bueno.
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The sunsets out here in Southern New England the last week have been both pretty and creepy from the smoke from west coast fires.
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I'm in North Portland by UP and I can barely even see the river bank over there. The in laws are in the far north of Clackamas county and have been at the ready for days.
I'm a .7 mile walk to the Wells Fargo Tower and I can't see it from my patio. And, the rain that has been predicted keeps being pushed back further.
The sunsets out here in Southern New England the last week have been both pretty and creepy from the smoke from west coast fires.
That's the most f'ed up part; that the smoke has made it all the way across the country and is thick enough that it's noticeable.
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Every little bit helps…
Goats take up the cause of fire prevention in Oregon
https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/17/goats-fire-prevention-oregon/
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Here's a photo my wife took last night near sunset. It has not been altered.
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Every little bit helps…
Goats take up the cause of fire prevention in Oregon
https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/17/goats-fire-prevention-oregon/
Only in Oregon! Though, I’m kind of surprised it isn’t llamas or alpacas.
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If you are looking for a place that is 'completely safe,' planet earth was a bad choice.
Now if you were a cockroach....
It's part of why I'm a big fan of Milwaukee. Snow's not great, but not as bad as Minnesota or further north, no real natural disaster threats, and no tornadoes have struck the city proper in ages. As far as disasters go, we're pretty isolated from them.
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Nm. It was a stupid joke and this isn't the appropriate thread for it. Sorry!
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It's part of why I'm a big fan of Milwaukee. Snow's not great, but not as bad as Minnesota or further north, no real natural disaster threats, and no tornadoes have struck the city proper in ages. As far as disasters go, we're pretty isolated from them.
Cryptosporidium has entered the chat. ;D
I remember a January tornado warning when I was still at MU, probably January 2000. Bizarre.
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It%u2019s unbelievable that there are people stupid enough to not evacuate when there is a high danger of being burned alive. What does it take for people to believe the danger is real?
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Cryptosporidium has entered the chat. ;D
I remember a January tornado warning when I was still at MU, probably January 2000. Bizarre.
My sister used Crypto as a blanket speeding excuse. When she got pulled over, she just put on her most pleading face and told the Sheriff "I really, really have to poop like NOW!" :D
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It%u2019s unbelievable that there are people stupid enough to not evacuate when there is a high danger of being burned alive. What does it take for people to believe the danger is real?
People don't believe anything anymore. The value of expertise has never been lower. And too many have a false sense of security - calamities only impact everyone else, & can be viewed through a cell phone screen like reality TV.
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Cryptosporidium has entered the chat. ;D
I remember a January tornado warning when I was still at MU, probably January 2000. Bizarre.
It was in March
https://www.weather.gov/mkx/030800_mke-county-tornado
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It was in March
https://www.weather.gov/mkx/030800_mke-county-tornado
A lot of good detail written in that report.
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It was in March
https://www.weather.gov/mkx/030800_mke-county-tornado
My uncle had a Schwinn dealership on Loomis @ 894, his sign was damaged in the wind storm a few years earlier but his insurance declined his claim. After the tornado near the airport his agent got the sign covered as tornado damage even though it was miles away from his dealership.
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My uncle had a Schwinn dealership on Loomis @ 894, his sign was damaged in the wind storm a few years earlier but his insurance declined his claim. After the tornado near the airport his agent got the sign covered as tornado damage even though it was miles away from his dealership.
I know that store - east side of Loomis, just south of 894! I'm betting you mean the straight-line wind event in May 1998? That one did an awful lot of damage in the Greendale/Greenfield area.
I lived a few miles down Loomis in Greendale, and we had three big oak trees land on our garage in that storm and were without power for almost a week.
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I know that store - east side of Loomis, just south of 894! I'm betting you mean the straight-line wind event in May 1998? That one did an awful lot of damage in the Greendale/Greenfield area.
I lived a few miles down Loomis in Greendale, and we had three big oak trees land on our garage in that storm and were without power for almost a week.
Yup, the straight-line wind of whatever year that was.
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Derecho. 1998.
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Derecho. 1998.
Yep, it was definitely 1998. That was the year we moved from Wisconsin to Minnesota. We were just getting ready to put our house on the market, when suddenly we had three huge oak trees on top of the garage and a substantially less ‘wooded lot’ to advertise in the sale brochure. :(
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Derecho. 1998.
Oh yeah. That was the night of my bro-in-law's bachelor party.
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I worked it. A few fire stories from that one.
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"Cryptosporidium has entered the chat. ;D"
and we didn't even need a mask mandate, but no thanks to the drive thru testing ;D ;D
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On top of everything else, 2020 might be a bad year for California and Oregon wines.
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-wildfires-oregon-fires-wineries-ecead6f181c11c6110f017c9af8e63a2
No one knows the extent of the smoke damage to the crop, and growers are trying to assess the severity. If tainted grapes are made into wine without steps to minimize the harm or weed out the damaged fruit, the result could be wine so bad that it cannot be marketed.
The wildfires are likely to be “without question the single worst disaster the wine-grape growing community has ever faced,” said John Aguirre, president of the California Association of Winegrape Growers.
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On top of everything else, 2020 might be a bad year for California and Oregon wines.
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-wildfires-oregon-fires-wineries-ecead6f181c11c6110f017c9af8e63a2
No one knows the extent of the smoke damage to the crop, and growers are trying to assess the severity. If tainted grapes are made into wine without steps to minimize the harm or weed out the damaged fruit, the result could be wine so bad that it cannot be marketed.
The wildfires are likely to be “without question the single worst disaster the wine-grape growing community has ever faced,” said John Aguirre, president of the California Association of Winegrape Growers.
There's already a glut of wines with so many people opening wineries that prices were coming down. This will balance that out.
A few years ago, wildfires in Southern Oregon caused the crop down there to be badly damaged and rejected by some wineries. Oregon wineries came together to use the rejected grapes to make wine with all proceeds going to the affected growers. I bought some, it wasn't bad.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/03/06/698248352/oregon-wineries-come-together-to-save-grapes-rejected-for-smoke-taint