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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: HutchwasClutch on July 31, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
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Only NBA player thus far to stand to show honor and respect for our country and our flag.
God bless you Jonathan. You have my forever admiration.
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LOL
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I fully support his right to stand. I also fully support his colleagues decisions to kneel. Freedom of speech is the best part about our country.
I do wonder if we'll hear the same arguments that were made against Kaepernick about this being a job and your job is not a place to to take a stand but to follow the direction of your employer. My guess is that we won't.
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Haha. His explanation had nothing to do with “flag and country.”
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Good for him. I applaud him exercising his first amendment rights to peacefully stand apart.
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Only NBA player thus far to stand to show honor and respect for our country and our flag.
God bless you Jonathan. You have my forever admiration.
How do you feel about flag code?
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"My purposes in it really had nothing to do with the flag,” Isaac said.
https://theathletic.com/1966742/2020/07/31/jonathan-isaac-stands-during-anthem/
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"My purposes in it really had nothing to do with the flag,” Isaac said.
https://theathletic.com/1966742/2020/07/31/jonathan-isaac-stands-during-anthem/
LOL.
Wrap that flag around yourself just a little tighter, Hutch.
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Can't we at least go back to how it used to be not that long ago, where the players were in the locker room or literally doing whatever during the anthem. I'm not even asking for what they do in most all other countries, which is to not turn every sporting event (little league up to pro sports) into the Olympics. What is the need for patting our own backs during sports. Why do we need this
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A country’s anthem is meaningless unless to demonstrate one’s honor for that country. So whether his intention was to honor the flag, that’s what his choosing stand for it accomplished. A nation’s flag is a symbol of that country. A person’s actions when a country’s anthem is played signifies what’s in their heart, mind, and soul, good or bad.
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LOL.
Wrap that flag around yourself just a little tighter, Hutch.
Mocking someone else’s love of country. Character revealed. Not that it wasn’t already obvious.
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A country’s anthem is meaningless unless to demonstrate one’s honor for that country. So whether his intention was to honor the flag, that’s what his choosing stand for it accomplished. A nation’s flag is a symbol of that country. A person’s actions when a country’s anthem is played signifies what’s in their heart, mind, and soul, good or bad.
How do you feel about the flag code?
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There's way to much nationalism in this country. Why we feel the need to beat our chests whenever we can to scream "America's no 1!" When we aren't leaps and bounds better than most the westernized world is beyond me.
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Mocking someone else’s love of country. Character revealed. Not that it wasn’t already obvious.
Loving the country is fine, wrapping yourself up in the flag as a shield is something else altogether. And then pretending a player was protesting in support of the flag when he specifically said he was not? LOL.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag."
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Mocking someone else’s love of country. Character revealed. Not that it wasn’t already obvious.
What does claiming to love America while demanding others not exercise its most revered freedoms say about one's character?
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What does claiming to love America while demanding others not exercise its most revered freedoms say about one's character?
Where have I remotely demanded anyone not be permitted to exercise their rights? Nowhere.
I have an opinion about anthem kneelers. I have quite a ways to travel to get to a demand.
But you’re just being obtuse to get your gotcha on me.
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Where have I remotely demanded anyone not be permitted to exercise their rights? Nowhere.
I have an opinion about anthem kneelers. I have quite a ways to travel to get to a demand.
But you’re just being obtuse to get your gotcha on me.
Kinda arrogant to assume I was referring to you.
Think of someone a little better known.
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The Constitution is way more important than a flag or a national anthem. Too bad too many are fixated on the last two instead of the first one.
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A person’s actions when a country’s anthem is played signifies what’s in their heart, mind, and soul, good or bad.
I mean OK. But what f they aren’t happy with the country as a whole? They aren’t allowed to express that dissatisfaction?
And how does their feelings about the country impact you in any meaningful way?
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Frankly, I have no interest in actors and actresses, athletes, and anyone else who feels their unsolicited opinion needs to be heard, pontificating and dominating the media. I do what I can do to oppose such behavior. Namely, I hit them in the pocketbook, hey?
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Frankly, I have no interest in actors and actresses, athletes, and anyone else who feels their unsolicited opinion needs to be heard, pontificating and dominating the media. I do what I can do to oppose such behavior. Namely, I hit them in the pocketbook, hey?
Stay in your lane, doc
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Frankly, I have no interest in actors and actresses, athletes, and anyone else who feels their unsolicited opinion needs to be heard, pontificating and dominating the media. I do what I can do to oppose such behavior. Namely, I hit them in the pocketbook, hey?
Thank you for your unsolicited opinion.
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Thank you for your unsolicited opinion.
He’s on topic on a message board. Hardly said anything outlandish.
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Why on earth are we singing the national anthem before every sporting event in the first place?
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We need to unify around the realization that our national anthem sucks
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Why on earth are we singing the national anthem before every sporting event in the first place?
IIRC, its roots trace back to the Cold War. Forced patriotism to help unite the country against the Communists.
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We need to unify around the realization that our national anthem sucks
Why do you hate America?
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Frankly, I have no interest in actors and actresses, athletes, and anyone else who feels their unsolicited opinion needs to be heard, pontificating and dominating the media. I do what I can do to oppose such behavior. Namely, I hit them in the pocketbook, hey?
Shut up and dribble, hey doc?
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Why do you hate America?
First, I don't think disliking our anthem for having no musically redeeming qualities speaks to disliking America, and that's before you consider FSK's problematic legacy. It's no different than saying our flag is stupid (it's not - it's awesome - though this does the trick for me MUCH more):
(https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/ccPa_etLs9ZrPvDY4kehXLPkFI8=/fit-in/1072x0/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/b1/58/b158c569-3b4c-496c-a5b2-68035f96be2d/51-star_1_circle.jpg)
Second, I am of the belief that staunch defense of artificial constructs such as the flag, the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem as intrinsically patriotic is misguided and detracts from the ways in which those fake idols can be used as battering rams against people who wish to see some sort of change, progress etc, whatever arena in which those beliefs may fall.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Where have I remotely demanded anyone not be permitted to exercise their rights? Nowhere.
I have an opinion about anthem kneelers. I have quite a ways to travel to get to a demand.
But you’re just being obtuse to get your gotcha on me.
And people have opinions about those who go out of their way to perform their opinions about anthem kneelers. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you understand that, and also thank you for being transparent about who you are so we can all form our opinions about you more easily.
Unless this is a massive troll, in which case, you got me... but also, read the room man.
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IIRC, its roots trace back to the Cold War. Forced patriotism to help unite the country against the Communists.
Further back than that. It was popularized with the 1918 World Series between the Cubs and Red Sox, though there were incidents of it before that. The Cubs band played it in the Game 1 seventh inning stretch and it was wildly popular with the players and fans. Not to be outdone, the Sox gave wounded veterans free tickets to Game 6 & played The Star Spangled Banner during the seventh inning stretch to honor them. It became more common then and was named the national anthem in 1931.
It didn't become an every game thing until World War II to boost patriotism in the war effort. Since then, it's been played pretty uniformly across all American sports.
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First, I don't think disliking our anthem for having no musically redeeming qualities speaks to disliking America, and that's before you consider FSK's problematic legacy. It's no different than saying our flag is stupid (it's not - it's awesome - though this does the trick for me MUCH more):
(https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/ccPa_etLs9ZrPvDY4kehXLPkFI8=/fit-in/1072x0/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/b1/58/b158c569-3b4c-496c-a5b2-68035f96be2d/51-star_1_circle.jpg)
Second, I am of the belief that staunch defense of artificial constructs such as the flag, the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem as intrinsically patriotic is misguided and detracts from the ways in which those fake idols can be used as battering rams against people who wish to see some sort of change, progress etc, whatever arena in which those beliefs may fall.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
https://twitter.com/nbc4i/status/931605656284536833?s=21
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There is a veterans memorial at a cemetery located about a mile from my house. This monument is displayed at the street side of that cemetery. If kneeling is so disrespectful, why is the soldier in the memorial kneeling? Should we tear this monument down because of the disrespect he is showing fallen veterans?
(https://www.dignitymemorial.com/dfsmedia/%7B042808e1-630c-49a4-8950-d5077d6556eb%7D/19451-50068)
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A country’s anthem is meaningless unless to demonstrate one’s honor for that country. So whether his intention was to honor the flag, that’s what his choosing stand for it accomplished. A nation’s flag is a symbol of that country. A person’s actions when a country’s anthem is played signifies what’s in their heart, mind, and soul, good or bad.
So those Marquette fans who keep their hats on their heads as they stand in the queue to purchase their beers at the Fiserv when the anthem is played are heartless, mindless, and soulless?
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So those Marquette fans who keep their hats on their heads as they stand in the queue to purchase their beers at the Fiserv when the anthem is played are heartless, mindless, and soulless?
And thirsty.
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Good for him. I applaud him exercising his first amendment rights to peacefully stand apart.
Brother Tower, may I make a slight modification to your belief.
The First Amendment outlines the relationship between a citizen and the government. We forget that one has NO First Amendment rights when it comes to any entity other than the government.
If my employer, for example, doesn't like something I said or did, there is no protection based on the First Amendment that I have against my employer taking action that might not be in my best interests. If my action damages the brand, affects our ability to sell to our customers or generally is something my leadership just finds repugnant, they can fire me. They have to honor provisions of any contract but you can't cite the First Amendment as a requirement that your job has to retain you.
Regardless of your position on Colin Kapernick, what the NFL has done since doesn't break any laws. It might have hurt the brand with certain target market segments, but the NFL didn't act illegally.
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Second, I am of the belief that staunch defense of artificial constructs such as the flag, the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem as intrinsically patriotic is misguided and detracts from the ways in which those fake idols can be used as battering rams against people who wish to see some sort of change, progress etc, whatever arena in which those beliefs may fall.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
+1,000
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there has been an established decorum for years with regard to our national anthem, God bless America, the pledge of the allegiance and what have you. for those who desire to change that decorum is trolling. they know it is going to evoke emotions. why do they choose to do whatever it is they do during the national anthem? why not do it during the layup drill, before the national anthem, after games.
i am actually surprised by the number of people we have on this board who can't seem to understand those who have strong patriotic emotions and gratitude toward those who gave the ultimate sacrifice allowing us to have the freedoms we have. too many take for granted the privileges we have that many other countries don't have. then, when some voice their patriotism and dissent upon those who "disrespect" a long held tradition they are mocked and/or minimalized. what's next? people are getting destroyed for holding traditional views on this and that's just wrong. just ask drew brees
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there has been an established decorum for years with regard to our national anthem, God bless America, the pledge of the allegiance and what have you. for those who desire to change that decorum is trolling. they know it is going to evoke emotions. why do they choose to do whatever it is they do during the national anthem? why not do it during the layup drill, before the national anthem, after games.
i am actually surprised by the number of people we have on this board who can't seem to understand those who have strong patriotic emotions and gratitude toward those who gave the ultimate sacrifice allowing us to have the freedoms we have. too many take for granted the privileges we have that many other countries don't have. then, when some voice their patriotism and dissent upon those who "disrespect" a long held tradition they are mocked and/or minimalized. what's next? people are getting destroyed for holding traditional views on this and that's just wrong. just ask drew brees
Kneeling for the anthem has nothing to do with the military.
And why do they do it during the national anthem? Because you wouldn't pay attention otherwise.
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there has been an established decorum for years with regard to our national anthem, God bless America, the pledge of the allegiance and what have you. for those who desire to change that decorum is trolling. they know it is going to evoke emotions. why do they choose to do whatever it is they do during the national anthem? why not do it during the layup drill, before the national anthem, after games.
i am actually surprised by the number of people we have on this board who can't seem to understand those who have strong patriotic emotions and gratitude toward those who gave the ultimate sacrifice allowing us to have the freedoms we have. too many take for granted the privileges we have that many other countries don't have. then, when some voice their patriotism and dissent upon those who "disrespect" a long held tradition they are mocked and/or minimalized. what's next? people are getting destroyed for holding traditional views on this and that's just wrong. just ask drew brees
Brees took flack because he made those comments during a tinderbox of a situation when his teammates were feeing especially vulnerable.
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Also, using “dishonoring tradition” is disingenuous BS. It used to be tradition to sacrifice humans for a good harvest.
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there has been an established decorum for years with regard to our national anthem, God bless America, the pledge of the allegiance and what have you. for those who desire to change that decorum is trolling. they know it is going to evoke emotions. why do they choose to do whatever it is they do during the national anthem? why not do it during the layup drill, before the national anthem, after games.
i am actually surprised by the number of people we have on this board who can't seem to understand those who have strong patriotic emotions and gratitude toward those who gave the ultimate sacrifice allowing us to have the freedoms we have. too many take for granted the privileges we have that many other countries don't have. then, when some voice their patriotism and dissent upon those who "disrespect" a long held tradition they are mocked and/or minimalized. what's next? people are getting destroyed for holding traditional views on this and that's just wrong. just ask drew brees
They're misplaced emotions. The military personnel that I know think that the nationalism is for folks like you. Not them. They don't need a 'thank you for your service'. That's lip service. They need better access to health and mental care after they're done serving. So instead of the lip service, fight for them where they need it.
I believe Drew Brees was truly ignorant of his stance. He found himself learning a lot in a short period of time, and came to understand the reasoning for the protest.
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there has been an established decorum for years with regard to our national anthem, God bless America, the pledge of the allegiance and what have you. for those who desire to change that decorum is trolling.
As usual, you are the one that is trolling. Look at the picture I shared above and tell me why kneeling is okay to memorialize soldiers but not as a silent, respectful protest.
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And thirsty.
Good to see your sense of humor is back. You’ve been awfully serious lately.
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there has been an established decorum for years with regard to our national anthem, God bless America, the pledge of the allegiance and what have you. for those who desire to change that decorum is trolling. they know it is going to evoke emotions. why do they choose to do whatever it is they do during the national anthem? why not do it during the layup drill, before the national anthem, after games.
i am actually surprised by the number of people we have on this board who can't seem to understand those who have strong patriotic emotions and gratitude toward those who gave the ultimate sacrifice allowing us to have the freedoms we have. too many take for granted the privileges we have that many other countries don't have. then, when some voice their patriotism and dissent upon those who "disrespect" a long held tradition they are mocked and/or minimalized. what's next? people are getting destroyed for holding traditional views on this and that's just wrong. just ask drew brees
Yeah songs like My Country Tis of Thee deserve our respect. Nothing says America more than taking the British National Anthem, just changing the lyrics and hoping nobody notices.
Also you answered your own question, because it evokes emotion. When you question the patriotism of anyone who doesn't stand and remove their hat that's why you get mocked. When you expect people to be grateful for America but they grew up with stories of Jim crow or slavery, Japanese internment camps during WW2, stealing land from Indians and massive genocide etc. but can't grasp why those groups might not feel as patriotic as a white guy that's also why you get mocked. It has nothing to do with you a white man respecting the rights and liberties that Americans have fought and died for. It has everything to do with pointing out the inequalities and issues that have been brought upon those marginalized groups.
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It used to be tradition to sacrifice humans for a good harvest.
My blackberries and my okra are booming this year. Now you know why.
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As usual, you are the one that is trolling. Look at the picture I shared above and tell me why kneeling is okay to memorialize soldiers but not as a silent, respectful protest.
And of course what the whole "kneeling is disrespectful to the military" trope ignores is that kneeling was suggested to Kaepernick by former Green Beret/Seahawks long snapper Nate Boyer.
Boyer, who did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, suggested it as a way to protest while also being respectful to the flag and fellow veterans.
But let's be honest here. Most of those who get upset at the kneeling aren't really bothered by the kneeling. They're bothered by what the protest stands for and puts before them. As 4everwarriors made clear, they just don't want to hear it.
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He’s on topic on a message board. Hardly said anything outlandish.
Just tongue in cheek since he needed to give his opinion that how he doesn't care about the player's opinions.
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Nm
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But let's be honest here. Most of those who get upset at the kneeling aren't really bothered by the kneeling. They're bothered by what the protest stands for and puts before them.
And who's doing it.
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Yeah songs like My Country Tis of Thee deserve our respect. Nothing says America more than taking the British National Anthem, just changing the lyrics and hoping nobody notices.
Also you answered your own question, because it evokes emotion. When you question the patriotism of anyone who doesn't stand and remove their hat that's why you get mocked. When you expect people to be grateful for America but they grew up with stories of Jim crow or slavery, Japanese internment camps during WW2, stealing land from Indians and massive genocide etc. but can't grasp why those groups might not feel as patriotic as a white guy that's also why you get mocked. It has nothing to do with you a white man respecting the rights and liberties that Americans have fought and died for. It has everything to do with pointing out the inequalities and issues that have been brought upon those marginalized groups.
This is good.
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Yeah songs like My Country Tis of Thee deserve our respect. Nothing says America more than taking the British National Anthem, just changing the lyrics and hoping nobody notices.
Don't forget, the Star Spangled Banner was also ripped off from Britain. Written to the tune of a drinking song from an English Gentlemen's club. The original was about drinking and womanizing.
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Don't forget, the Star Spangled Banner was also ripped off from Britain. Written to the tune of a drinking song from an English Gentlemen's club. The original was about drinking and womanizing.
Did not know this. That's absolutely hilarious. Now I find it even funnier to hear these people going crazy to the anthem
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anacreontic_Song
This is the original. I have it somewhere at home on a cassette I bought while on vacation in like Williamsburg or some other colonial place.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MVYl8iy2Ic
And here is how it sounds.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MVYl8iy2Ic
And here is how it sounds.
How offensive didn't those pre-america brits know how disrespectful it is to all the Americans that would die for that song?!
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They're misplaced emotions. The military personnel that I know think that the nationalism is for folks like you. Not them. They don't need a 'thank you for your service'. That's lip service. They need better access to health and mental care after they're done serving. So instead of the lip service, fight for them where they need it.
I believe Drew Brees was truly ignorant of his stance. He found himself learning a lot in a short period of time, and came to understand the reasoning for the protest.
so you must know "A LOT" of "military personnel" i take it? if this isn't anecdotal, i don't know what is. so if you were to thank any one of your "military personnel" they would be offended? and tell you to get them better access to healthcare? never heard that one before and i have spoken to quite a few myself.
btw, it wasn't until after 2016 that improvements were made to VA. prior to that, many campaign and stump speech promises were made, but never kept. since 2016, real improvements were realized. and just so my source ain't criticized, how 'bout these apples? this is more than lip service. funny how none of your sources made you aware of recent healthcare improvements for vets.
regarding drew brees-so your belief is the gold standard now? the ones disagreeing with him just happened to be the most vocal. the silent majority will surprise you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/03/opinion/trump-veterans-health-care.html
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And of course what the whole "kneeling is disrespectful to the military" trope ignores is that kneeling was suggested to Kaepernick by former Green Beret/Seahawks long snapper Nate Boyer.
Boyer, who did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, suggested it as a way to protest while also being respectful to the flag and fellow veterans.
But let's be honest here. Most of those who get upset at the kneeling aren't really bothered by the kneeling. They're bothered by what the protest stands for and puts before them. As 4everwarriors made clear, they just don't want to hear it.
yes, let's be honest, yes it is about the kneeling. unless one is unable to stand, sitting is ok, but not kneeling. just as we would be upset if someone dropped trow, it ain't appropriate. there have been certain forms of decorum for certain things. as i asked, why can't they do their, whatever it is they're unhappy about thing before the game outside, during layup drills, after the game as others gather for a short prayer. because they know they are going to get some riled up. there has been a big drop off in respect for many things over the years. just add this to it.
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yes, let's be honest, yes it is about the kneeling. unless one is unable to stand, sitting is ok, but not kneeling. just as we would be upset if someone dropped trow, it ain't appropriate. there have been certain forms of decorum for certain things. as i asked, why can't they do their, whatever it is they're unhappy about thing before the game outside, during layup drills, after the game as others gather for a short prayer. because they know they are going to get some riled up. there has been a big drop off in respect for many things over the years. just add this to it.
This makes no sense. Kneeling has never been seen as a sign of disrespect. I mean, Christians kneel in church. Saying sitting is OK, but not kneeling, is a distinction without a difference and is simply a way to manufacture outrage.
And again, why are you so concerned about the kneeling and not what the kneeling is about? Get riled up about what matters.
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yes, let's be honest, yes it is about the kneeling. unless one is unable to stand, sitting is ok, but not kneeling.
This veteran's memorial is located at 614 E. Howard Ave in Milwaukee. I suggest you head over there to tear it down since it is so offensive to you:
There is a veterans memorial at a cemetery located about a mile from my house. This monument is displayed at the street side of that cemetery. If kneeling is so disrespectful, why is the soldier in the memorial kneeling? Should we tear this monument down because of the disrespect he is showing fallen veterans?
(https://www.dignitymemorial.com/dfsmedia/%7B042808e1-630c-49a4-8950-d5077d6556eb%7D/19451-50068)
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You get riled up over a sign of reverence towards the flag but you don’t get riled up about systemic racism in the country the flag is for.
Says a lot.
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Rocket didn't go to MU right?
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Rocket didn't go to MU right?
He did. Guru didn't.
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This makes no sense. Kneeling has never been seen as a sign of disrespect. I mean, Christians kneel in church. Saying sitting is OK, but not kneeling, is a distinction without a difference and is simply a way to manufacture outrage.
And again, why are you so concerned about the kneeling and not what the kneeling is about? Get riled up about what matters.
dude, you are a smart guy! there is a certain decorum that has surrounded our national anthem. please reread my post, but a little more slowly. unless one is unable to stand i said. i believe you are being intentionally obtuse just to keep this conversation going and to keep your pals stoked. show me when it became proper(once again to be clear, unless one is disabled) to kneel for the national anthem. show me when it was proper to kneel when a judge entered the courtroom. during mass there are times when it is suggested to kneel during portions of mass. do you stand during the priest's sermon? do you stand and turn your back on the bride as she walks up the aisle? there is a time and a place to protest. they can do their protest thing any other time during the game. hell, kneel when the opposing player posts him up or launches a three, kneel your ass off, but in my opinion, during the national anthem is wrong
i am not concerned, but it is my belief that kneeling for the national anthem is a sign of disrespect. is that ok for me to believe that or do i have to shut up and obey. do i need to be sent to a "re-programing school"? get over it sully! (i believe gasp!) there might be even more people agreeing with me
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dude, you are a smart guy! there is a certain decorum that has surrounded our national anthem. please reread my post, but a little more slowly. unless one is unable to stand i said. i believe you are being intentionally obtuse just to keep this conversation going and to keep your pals stoked. show me when it became proper(once again to be clear, unless one is disabled) to kneel for the national anthem. show me when it was proper to kneel when a judge entered the courtroom. during mass there are times when it is suggested to kneel during portions of mass. do you stand during the priest's sermon? do you stand and turn your back on the bride as she walks up the aisle? there is a time and a place to protest. they can do their protest thing any other time during the game. hell, kneel when the opposing player posts him up or launches a three, kneel your ass off, but in my opinion, during the national anthem is wrong
i am not concerned, but it is my belief that kneeling for the national anthem is a sign of disrespect. is that ok for me to believe that or do i have to shut up and obey. do i need to be sent to a "re-programing school"? get over it sully! (i believe gasp!) there might be even more people agreeing with me
Rocket you can believe what you want but I don’t give a flying f*ck how many agree with you.
And you continue to breathlessly go on an on about disrespecting the flag, which is an inanimate object, and not about about why the protests are happening.
Says a lot.
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Longtime reader on here. Big MU fan. Shouldn’t have even bothered posting. Will go back to my invisible status. Sorry, all.
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You get riled up over a sign of reverence towards the flag but you don’t get riled up about systemic racism in the country the flag is for.
Says a lot.
quit trying to conflate.
yes babyblue, i went to MU! wtf is your question supposed to mean? so all the MU guys who believe as i do are stupid? aren't worthy of having an MU diploma? i spent 8 years there moron! my dad went there. i sent my 2 sons there. is that ok? can you believe that? i am embarrassing a liberal?
you(bbj) must be the one who sent me the cowardly pm accusing me of being the biggest racist and embarrassed that i went to MU. either you or one of your comrades... not surprised
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Pretty bold for your first post, aina?
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Rocket, fan22, you both got your insults in, so drop it now.
Pretty bold for your first post, aina?
It is bold. Registered in 2011 and this is the first thing he deemed worthwhile to post about. If that's the impression rocket is giving people, rocket should perhaps reflect on that.
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dude, you are a smart guy! there is a certain decorum that has surrounded our national anthem. please reread my post, but a little more slowly. unless one is unable to stand i said. i believe you are being intentionally obtuse just to keep this conversation going and to keep your pals stoked. show me when it became proper(once again to be clear, unless one is disabled) to kneel for the national anthem. show me when it was proper to kneel when a judge entered the courtroom. during mass there are times when it is suggested to kneel during portions of mass. do you stand during the priest's sermon? do you stand and turn your back on the bride as she walks up the aisle? there is a time and a place to protest. they can do their protest thing any other time during the game. hell, kneel when the opposing player posts him up or launches a three, kneel your ass off, but in my opinion, during the national anthem is wrong
i am not concerned, but it is my belief that kneeling for the national anthem is a sign of disrespect. is that ok for me to believe that or do i have to shut up and obey. do i need to be sent to a "re-programing school"? get over it sully! (i believe gasp!) there might be even more people agreeing with me
Protest when it is convenient for the people who the protests do not affect, or who benefit from nothing changing.
Perfect.
What a terrible inconvenience. You have to see people kneel during the singing of a song. The horror.
Also, the irony of you telling people when and how they should be protesting and then, in the same post, getting all hot and bothered because you think people are telling you what to think is hilarious.
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So, if Uncle Joe loses in November are you and all those of like mindedness going to continue to bellyache for the next 4 years or will you accept that democracy actually works, hey?
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So, if Uncle Joe loses in November are you and all those of like mindedness going to continue to bellyache for the next 4 years or will you accept that democracy actually works, hey?
I’m positive the MAGAs will handle it with grace and class when the savior of this great country leaves us after one term.
Are we still thanking Obama for all the issues Trump has brought us, 4 years after Obama left the White House?
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So, if Uncle Joe loses in November are you and all those of like mindedness going to continue to bellyache for the next 4 years or will you accept that democracy actually works, hey?
It’s not really democracy in the truest sense, but he is clearly the President. And I will continue to speak out against him.
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So, if Uncle Joe loses in November are you and all those of like mindedness going to continue to bellyache for the next 4 years or will you accept that democracy actually works, hey?
Clearly not politics, right?
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So, if Uncle Joe loses in November are you and all those of like mindedness going to continue to bellyache for the next 4 years or will you accept that democracy actually works, hey?
Dunno, are Muslims allowed to practice and in your version on democracy?
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The debate over kneeling/not kneeling is a good way to distract from the real issues, the truly uncomfortable ones we don’t want to discuss or find solutions for
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The debate over kneeling/not kneeling is a good way to distract from the real issues, the truly uncomfortable ones we don’t want to discuss or find solutions for
Yup.
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Yup.
It’s actually not a distraction. It’s an excuse to ignore those issues and change the narrative.
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It’s actually not a distraction. It’s an excuse to ignore those issues and change the narrative.
You’re right. Excuse is the correct word.
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So, if Uncle Joe loses in November are you and all those of like mindedness going to continue to bellyache for the next 4 years or will you accept that democracy actually works, hey?
Representative republic. It's no democracy and you're fooling yourself to find more comfort in losing popular votes in 2000 and 2016 but winning the office if you think it is a real or the truest or the greatest form Of democracy
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It looks like JI will be unable to kneel for a while anyway. Left the court in a wheelchair with a reported knee injury.
Or is that no longer what this thread is about.
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Clearly not politics, right?
Old, snowflakes, who aren't self aware gonna just be themselves.
And then claim to be the victim. Last card to play.
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Rocket, fan22, you both got your insults in, so drop it now.
It is bold. Registered in 2011 and this is the first thing he deemed worthwhile to post about. If that's the impression rocket is giving people, rocket should perhaps reflect on that.
seriously rock? the dude sent me a pm saying the same and i've never even heard of the guy. never engaged the guy in anything. you do know that's the oldest trick in the book. if people get the impression that i'm a racist then we have a more than one out to get me and shut me up. like psychological extortion-someone calls me a racist and i got to lose sleep over it, wondering if i really am one? are you kidding me? fanman is no MU guy, he's a peeping tom
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Stop being a victim rocket. Seriously have some self-awareness for once.
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This board is no longer fun, or interesting. Every thread has politics. Can I have a refund?
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seriously rock? the dude sent me a pm saying the same and i've never even heard of the guy. never engaged the guy in anything. you do know that's the oldest trick in the book. if people get the impression that i'm a racist then we have a more than one out to get me and shut me up. like psychological extortion-someone calls me a racist and i got to lose sleep over it, wondering if i really am one? are you kidding me? fanman is no MU guy, he's a peeping tom
Nobody is “out to get you”. You are not a victim.
The impression people have of you is solely due to the content you post here. If you don’t like the impression people have of you, examine what you write before posting.
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This board is no longer fun, or interesting. Every thread has politics. Can I have a refund?
If only there was some way to control which threads you click on.
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This board is no longer fun, or interesting. Every thread has politics. Can I have a refund?
Effective today we have issued refunds to everyone, and made reading voluntary vs compulsory. We're also working on the "fun" part, but we think that's up to the content providers (you all...)
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Effective today we have issued refunds to everyone, and made reading voluntary vs compulsory. We're also working on the "fun" part, but we think that's up to the content providers (you all...)
I got my refund check via direct deposit. Really impressed with the speed
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seriously rock? the dude sent me a pm saying the same and i've never even heard of the guy. never engaged the guy in anything. you do know that's the oldest trick in the book. if people get the impression that i'm a racist then we have a more than one out to get me and shut me up. like psychological extortion-someone calls me a racist and i got to lose sleep over it, wondering if i really am one? are you kidding me? fanman is no MU guy, he's a peeping tom
So someone, who has been here and reading posts since 2011, interprets things you write as negative and let's you know that's their interpretation of you (because of what you write). And your conclusion is that you're a victim?
I don't know you personally. And I'm sure the other guy doesn't either.
But for those of us who don't know you, we can only generate impressions based on what you write/post. That's how social media works. So, maybe, be clearer with your posts so as to not obtain a negative impression?
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Longtime reader on here. Big MU fan. Shouldn’t have even bothered posting. Will go back to my invisible status. Sorry, all.
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"If that's the impression rocket is giving people, rocket should perhaps reflect on that."
ok, i reflected...nope, not a racist...all good! carry on! :D