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Title: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 09, 2020, 02:17:28 PM
Nicole Auerbach Face with medical mask
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The Big Ten is expected to announce today that it will go with a conference-only football schedule for this fall, a person with direct knowledge situation tells
@TheAthleticCFB
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 09, 2020, 02:40:18 PM
Nicole Auerbach Face with medical mask
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The Big Ten is expected to announce today that it will go with a conference-only football schedule for this fall, a person with direct knowledge situation tells
@TheAthleticCFB

For now. That buys an extra month or so of time. I still will only believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 09, 2020, 03:20:03 PM
From the Big Ten statement.  Note the use of the word "if."

"To that end, the Big Ten Conference announced today that if the Conference is able to participate in fall sports (men’s and women’s cross country, field hockey, football, men’s and women’s soccer, and women’s volleyball) based on medical advice, it will move to Conference-only schedules in those sports. Details for these sports will be released at a later date, while decisions on sports not listed above will continue to be evaluated. By limiting competition to other Big Ten institutions, the Conference will have the greatest flexibility to adjust its own operations throughout the season and make quick decisions in real-time based on the most current evolving medical advice and the fluid nature of the pandemic."
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 09, 2020, 03:52:21 PM
Nicole Auerbach Face with medical mask
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The Big Ten is expected to announce today that it will go with a conference-only football schedule for this fall, a person with direct knowledge situation tells
@TheAthleticCFB

ACC already announced this
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on July 09, 2020, 07:29:28 PM
At least the Big 10 has some good baked-in excuses why it can't contend for a national championship
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on July 09, 2020, 07:46:48 PM
Do they somehow think they'll be able to quarantine over 1,000 college students in 11 states? This solution isn't really any better than going forward with no changes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on July 09, 2020, 11:10:56 PM
Do they somehow think they'll be able to quarantine over 1,000 college students in 11 states? This solution isn't really any better than going forward with no changes.


I think they see the writing on the wall for having no season at all and put this out there partly as a placeholder, and partly to show their fans that they are trying to salvage something.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 10, 2020, 10:54:19 AM
At least the Big 10 has some good baked-in excuses why it can't contend for a national championship

Ouch.


But, true.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 10, 2020, 01:04:30 PM
At least the Big 10 has some good baked-in excuses why it can't contend for a national championship

The Big Ten are champions where it matters and that’s the courtroom
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 10, 2020, 02:42:01 PM
Ouch.


But, true.

Not really. Ohio State would have been a top three team coming into this season and has been to multiple playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 10, 2020, 03:14:54 PM
Not really. Ohio State would have been a top three team coming into this season and has been to multiple playoffs.

They even scored this year! 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 10, 2020, 11:45:20 PM
Does anyone here actually believe there will be college football this fall?

If so, why?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 11, 2020, 07:55:13 AM
If so, the TV money paychecks are too great to pass up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 11, 2020, 07:58:49 AM
If so, the TV money paychecks are too great to pass up.


The Big Ten has implied that if they can't do it safely, they won't play.  My guess is that they are working their ass off right now to make it happen, but it's a complex problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on July 11, 2020, 08:19:45 AM
Does anyone here actually believe there will be college football this fall?

If so, why?


No. Still, it wouldn't shock me if the SEC holds out longer than anyone else (for a couple of obvious reasons), possibly even to the point of having full practices and scrimmages, until widespread outbreaks force them to cancel.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 20, 2020, 10:25:35 AM
Kirk Ferentz knew two years ago there were racial tensions in the football program....and did nothing.

https://www.hawkeyenation.com/features/19-athletic-department-study-showed-serious-racial-bias-in-iowa-football

He should be retiring after this season.  This report is really not defensible.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 23, 2020, 09:17:14 PM
UNLV may play TCU at Allegiant Stadium on Aug. 29. The Rebels were supposed to play California in Las Vegas on Aug. 29, and the Horned Frogs were supposed to play at California on Sept. 5
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 30, 2020, 03:14:20 PM
SEC announces 10-game conference only schedule.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 30, 2020, 09:05:53 PM
SEC announces 10-game conference only schedule.

Nonconference opponents whose games canceled today by SEC:

FCS 12
Sun Belt 8
C-USA 6
ACC, Independent 5
Big 12, MAC, MWC 4
AAC 2
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 30, 2020, 09:09:12 PM
ACC will play 10 ACC games + 1 nonconference game, 1st games b/w Sept. 7-12, one division, Notre Dame will also play a 10-game ACC schedule & be eligible for 2020 ACC Title Game, all TV revenue for 2020 season, including ND home games, shared equally by all 15 schools
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 01, 2020, 07:17:18 AM
https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1289533208795594753

SEC players pushing back.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 01, 2020, 07:50:13 AM
https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1289533208795594753

SEC players pushing back.

College athletes taking control is a great development
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2020, 04:18:32 PM
https://twitter.com/samblum3/status/1290372030085451776?s=21

Scary stuff
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on August 03, 2020, 05:11:48 PM
We just don't know enough for this to be worth it for anyone, let alone college athletes with no financial incentive to do so. Let alone college football players, who are more likely to be obese and thus have an additional risk factor.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 05, 2020, 07:26:59 AM
UConn has canceled its football season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 05, 2020, 08:51:20 AM
Big Ten New Schedule
https://twitter.com/bigten/status/1290994202931847171
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 05, 2020, 10:37:37 AM
Big Ten New Schedule
https://twitter.com/bigten/status/1290994202931847171


A group claiming to represent over 1,000 Big Ten football players just released this.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/big-ten-covid-19-football-season

"The NCAA — which is known for its zeal for regulations and enforcement — has had ample time to prepare for the safe return of its athletes to competition, yet it has done nothing. Its laissez-faire approach is forcing each conference and each school to create its own plan, resulting in inconsistent policies, procedures and protocols.

Given that the NCAA and conference leadership have not asked for our input, we feel compelled to call for clarity, commitment, and action regarding our common-sense proposal below.

We have started a dialogue in good faith with the Big Ten and hope that the NCAA will follow suit. Given the short time frame, and with our season at stake, this conversation must happen now."
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on August 05, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
UConn has canceled its football season.

Did they cancel or just announce they wouldn't play competitive football this year
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 05, 2020, 11:18:06 AM
Did they cancel or just announce they wouldn't play competitive football this year

They're being called "the first major-college football team to cancel their season."

Obviously, "major-college football" is open to a range of definitions.

Seriously, this is a shame, but it's just the first of many, if not all. You can't ask college students to do something that professional athletes (specifically, major-league baseball players) are incapable of when it comes to keeping themselves and their families safe from a global pandemic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 05, 2020, 11:25:34 AM
Well, maybe it should have been said FBS school.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on August 05, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
This Big Ten schedule gives people something to talk about, but I’ll be very surprised if these games are played.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 05, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
UConn has canceled its football season.

Step one of eliminating their football program entirely.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 05, 2020, 12:52:48 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-foo...163008561.html

As problems mount, college football's outlook appears grim: 'You can feel the tidal wave coming'

"It’s too early to declare the 2020 football season over. But the path to cancellation appears more obvious than the path to any type of functional and recognizable season. The beginning of the end is upon us, getting closer as the drumbeat of the news cycle grows louder and louder."
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on August 08, 2020, 10:26:35 AM
The MAC has canceled it's football season.  First FBS conference to do so.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 08, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
The MAC has canceled it's football season.  First FBS conference to do so.

Gonna miss Tuesday night MACtion.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 08, 2020, 10:44:37 AM
The MAC has canceled it's football season.  First FBS conference to do so.

Lot of those schools depend on big paycheck buy games from the P5 schools, so it’s not entirely surprising
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 08, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
@PeteThamel: Source: Big Ten presidents are meeting today. All options are on the table. There's some presidential momentum for canceling the fall football season. It's unknown if there's enough support to make that decision today.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
@PeteThamel: Source: Big Ten presidents are meeting today. All options are on the table. There's some presidential momentum for canceling the fall football season. It's unknown if there's enough support to make that decision today.


Apparently they just decided to postpone full contact practices.  IOW, they just delayed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 09, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
See ya later football!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 09, 2020, 06:24:27 PM
Symbolic of our failures as a country. Too much ignorance. Too much bravado. Now we don’t get nice things.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 09, 2020, 07:20:50 PM
Yup.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 09, 2020, 07:41:46 PM
I 100 percent believe this.

@MattHayesCFB: Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)
@MattHayesCFB: (2of2) “You potentially lose one season with the virus. You lose the entire framework of your mission statement with players organizing. They need time to figure out how to attack it.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on August 09, 2020, 09:56:22 PM
I saw a tweet that basically said if you’re having the players on campus and playing while the majority of students are home and online distance learning only, they are basically pro athletes and not “student athletes” and that’s a damaging position for the powers that be opposing NIL
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on August 09, 2020, 10:04:53 PM
I saw a tweet that basically said if you’re having the players on campus and playing while the majority of students are home and online distance learning only, they are basically pro athletes and not “student athletes” and that’s a damaging position for the powers that be opposing NIL

This is the most unintentionally funny tweet I've read on the matter. When you back your way into a good point...
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1292611383901786113?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on August 10, 2020, 05:17:32 AM
Multiple media outlets reporting that the Big Ten will move their football season to the spring.  No word on when play would start, but with weather issues you would think March at the earliest.  Perhaps they could shift the games to all indoor stadiums (Minneapolis, Detroit, Indianapolis).  Will be interested to see how it will play out with the NFL draft scheduled for April 29th.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 10, 2020, 07:19:30 AM
I saw a tweet that basically said if you’re having the players on campus and playing while the majority of students are home and online distance learning only, they are basically pro athletes and not “student athletes” and that’s a damaging position for the powers that be opposing NIL

With all of the benefits that student athletes already get above and beyond the “normal” student, having football players live on campus in a bubble doesn’t seem outrageous.

I just don’t think the sport is run very well.  When it is flush with cash, no one cares. But in times of emergency when coordination is needed, everything falls apart.

We had a major P5 athletic director still not dismissing full stands at games just a few weeks ago. That should tell you everything about their mindset. They wanted business as normal and didn’t do enough to fix figure out how to make some kind of season happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2020, 07:51:10 AM
Going to be a rough morning for “amateurism” fans who puffed their chests over “We Want to Play”.

The players are organizing while leadership of the conferences and the NCAA flail away. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 10, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Big 10 is out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 10, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
Big 10 is out.

League spokesman says otherwise and no vote has been taken.
Though it may just be a matter of time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on August 10, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
League spokesman says otherwise and no vote has been taken.
Though it may just be a matter of time.

According to the Detroit Free Press, a vote was taken over the weekend and only Nebraska and Iowa voted to play.

Although I believe that there is still some intention to try to play in the spring.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 10, 2020, 12:42:48 PM
According to the Detroit Free Press, a vote was taken over the weekend and only Nebraska and Iowa voted to play.

Although I believe that there is still some intention to try to play in the spring.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/)
This was tweeted 30 minutes ago.

Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
Just got a text from a Big Ten spokesman. "No vote has been held by our presidents and chancellors." Hence, the Big Ten watch continues.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 10, 2020, 01:44:56 PM
This about sums things up so far.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1292860528575086593/pu/vid/1280x720/le8qWSOmEHrYRcXc.mp4?tag=10
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 10, 2020, 01:47:45 PM
This was tweeted 30 minutes ago.

Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
Just got a text from a Big Ten spokesman. "No vote has been held by our presidents and chancellors." Hence, the Big Ten watch continues.

We’ll see how that text holds up. Simply, he is not authorized to give information.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 10, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
The Florida Genius - Ron Desantis - is telling SEC schools to poach players from the the schools that aren't playing this year. I need someone smarter than me to explain if that is allowable or not.


As to the cancellation, my opinion is that the players demands on Saturday, led by Trevor Lawrence, are what triggered this. It was only a few days ago that the B10 released a modified schedule and said they were going to play.

I think the modified financial outlook led to this - they are losing control - and gives leagues more time to figure things out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 10, 2020, 02:24:31 PM
We’ll see how that text holds up. Simply, he is not authorized to give information.

I'm not sure what there is to hold up. As of that moment, a vote hadn't been taken to cancel the season. Doesn't mean that the vote isn't coming. It probably is. The Big 10 is simply being weenies here. They don't want to cancel and see the rest of P5 play, so they're trying to rope in the other conferences.

Side note ... the son of Big 10 Commissioner Kevin Warren plays at Mississippi State. It would be ironic if his league cancels and his son plays.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on August 10, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
Nebraska full steam ahead Big Ten or not.
https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/scott-frost-husker-players-make-clear-they-want-to-play-this-fall-join-us-for/article_d7c9aa12-e6b5-5684-85de-cf141e6253eb.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 10, 2020, 03:22:34 PM
The Florida Genius - Ron Desantis - is telling SEC schools to poach players from the the schools that aren't playing this year. I need someone smarter than me to explain if that is allowable or not.


As to the cancellation, my opinion is that the players demands on Saturday, led by Trevor Lawrence, are what triggered this. It was only a few days ago that the B10 released a modified schedule and said they were going to play.

I think the modified financial outlook led to this - they are losing control - and gives leagues more time to figure things out.

a couple issues with that:

1 - unless kids go up on the transfer portal SEC schools could reach out to kids on Big Ten rosters
2 - the Big Ten schools have the ability to object to a waiver of the year in residence. Tampering is always going to stop the waiver request from going through.
3 - are their scholarships available at these schools?
4 - progress towards degree. Will enough credits transfer for kids to be eligible at their new school? It's easy for rising sophs but others, especially rising seniors and fifth year, there is very little chance of that happening.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 10, 2020, 04:01:08 PM
Nebraska full steam ahead Big Ten or not.
https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/scott-frost-husker-players-make-clear-they-want-to-play-this-fall-join-us-for/article_d7c9aa12-e6b5-5684-85de-cf141e6253eb.html#tracking-source=home-top-story


Well, since the conference owns their media rights, it probably isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2020, 04:04:01 PM
Watching college football meathead coaches meltdown is great theater. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 10, 2020, 05:01:50 PM
Well I think this is all theatre anyway. I’m very doubtful the season will be able to finish in a meaningful manner. Cancel now, cancel next week, cancel next month...doesn’t really matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 10, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Thoughts and prayers.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on August 11, 2020, 02:07:06 PM
This was tweeted 30 minutes ago.

Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
Just got a text from a Big Ten spokesman. "No vote has been held by our presidents and chancellors." Hence, the Big Ten watch continues.

Well now it's "official".

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/11/big-ten-football-fall-season-canceled/3342902001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/11/big-ten-football-fall-season-canceled/3342902001/)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2020, 02:10:19 PM
Well now it's "official".

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/11/big-ten-football-fall-season-canceled/3342902001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/11/big-ten-football-fall-season-canceled/3342902001/)

Are we sure?  :)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
The B10 is THE money conference. I expect other dominoes to fall in line.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 11, 2020, 02:26:37 PM
The B10 is THE money conference. I expect other dominoes to fall in line.


I actually only expect the Pac 12 to follow immediately.  I think it will be couple weeks before the other conferences follow.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2020, 02:35:31 PM

I actually only expect the Pac 12 to follow immediately.  I think it will be couple weeks before the other conferences follow.

I agree completely.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 11, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/status/1293270476819595264?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 11, 2020, 02:42:59 PM

I actually only expect the Pac 12 to follow immediately.  I think it will be couple weeks before the other conferences follow.


Expect the announcement in the next 30 minutes or so....

https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1293260855572754432?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Agree that the other three might hold out a bit longer. Lots of schools in areas that don't believe in COVID.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 11, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
NFL is going to cash in fast on this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2020, 02:46:17 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/status/1293270476819595264?s=19

This really needs to be emphasized. The threat to amateurism is almost as big a driving force in this as is Covid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 11, 2020, 02:46:59 PM
This really needs to be emphasized. The threat to amateurism is almost as big a driving force in this as is Covid.

I think it is a much bigger driving force honestly
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 11, 2020, 03:04:58 PM
PAC 12 out...

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1293273364778364928
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 11, 2020, 03:34:06 PM
At least Lou Holtz is keeping things in perspective.

Justin Baragona @justinbaragona
Lou Holtz tells Fox News that college football needs to play amid coronavirus pandemic this fall: "Let's move on with our life! When they stormed Normandy, they knew there were going to be casualties -- there were going to be risks."

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1293267651591012352
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 11, 2020, 04:30:51 PM
With the Big 14 out, what conference will send the losing team to the Rose Bowl?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 11, 2020, 04:56:35 PM
The logic of the Big 10 escapes me, so perhaps someone can explain.
They're allowing players to live on campus together, practice together and condition together, because they'll be safe in that self-contained "bubble."
But they can't go play another team that's also in a safe, self-contained "bubble."
If these circumstances are safe, why can't the players from Bubble A meet up with players from Bubble B without risking further spread? And if there's a risk of spread, why are they taking part in group activities at all?
It all seems contradictory to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. I'm not arguing for or against playing games, just trying to see through the apparent inconsistency of the league's stance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 11, 2020, 05:12:35 PM
The logic of the Big 10 escapes me, so perhaps someone can explain.
They're allowing players to live on campus together, practice together and condition together, because they'll be safe in that self-contained "bubble."
But they can't go play another team that's also in a safe, self-contained "bubble."
If these circumstances are safe, why can't the players from Bubble A meet up with players from Bubble B without risking further spread? And if there's a risk of spread, why are they taking part in group activities at all?
It all seems contradictory to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. I'm not arguing for or against playing games, just trying to see through the apparent inconsistency of the league's stance.

It’s about protecting amateurism
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 11, 2020, 05:25:20 PM
The logic of the Big 10 escapes me, so perhaps someone can explain.
They're allowing players to live on campus together, practice together and condition together, because they'll be safe in that self-contained "bubble."
But they can't go play another team that's also in a safe, self-contained "bubble."
If these circumstances are safe, why can't the players from Bubble A meet up with players from Bubble B without risking further spread? And if there's a risk of spread, why are they taking part in group activities at all?
It all seems contradictory to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. I'm not arguing for or against playing games, just trying to see through the apparent inconsistency of the league's stance.


I think they have seen that the "lots of separate bubbles" approach has flaws. See, e.g., several Big Ten schools suspending practices due to outbreaks, the Miami Marlins, and the St. Louis 'will they ever play again' Cardinals. And there is a lot more direct contact in football than in baseball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
The logic of the Big 10 escapes me, so perhaps someone can explain.
They're allowing players to live on campus together, practice together and condition together, because they'll be safe in that self-contained "bubble."
But they can't go play another team that's also in a safe, self-contained "bubble."
If these circumstances are safe, why can't the players from Bubble A meet up with players from Bubble B without risking further spread? And if there's a risk of spread, why are they taking part in group activities at all?
It all seems contradictory to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. I'm not arguing for or against playing games, just trying to see through the apparent inconsistency of the league's stance.

I think you make a good point here. But you also have to consider there are probably 150 people involved per team and there is no way to keep them all in the bubble all of the time.

But I don’t think they really know what else to do. Most experts expect Covid to get worse in the fall and our country has no one who will take charge to really deal with the outbreak. That isn’t going to change until at least January.

I see only a very small chance that there will be a college football season in the spring.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 11, 2020, 06:14:24 PM

I think they have seen that the "lots of separate bubbles" approach has flaws. See, e.g., several Big Ten schools suspending practices due to outbreaks, the Miami Marlins, and the St. Louis 'will they ever play again' Cardinals. And there is a lot more direct contact in football than in baseball.

Right ... and yet they're allowing/requiring practices within these "bubbles." And while they're unpadded practices for now at least, there's still contact and players in close proximity.
I just find their position to be intellectually inconsistent. If their overreaching concern were health and safety of the players, there wouldn't be team activities any more than games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 11, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
My hope for this, and I know it is quixotic at best, is that this causes self examination and an epiphany that the lack of college football is ultimately the fault of those who have refused to do what it takes to control this.  I marvel at how many are still refusing to grow up and do the right thing.

To borrow and paraphrase from so many strict mother's, 'college football is a privilege, not a right.   And if you don't behave, you will be denied that privilege.'
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 11, 2020, 06:22:06 PM
Right ... and yet they're allowing/requiring practices within these "bubbles." And while they're unpadded practices for now at least, there's still contact and players in close proximity.
I just find their position to be intellectually inconsistent. If their overreaching concern were health and safety of the players, there wouldn't be team activities any more than games.

The seasons for the B10 and Pac12 weren't even cancelled until this afternoon. If they continue requiring large-group practices and workouts over the next several weeks, you will have a valid question. For now, it seems a little early to draw conclusions on the 'intellectual consistency' of their actions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 11, 2020, 06:24:44 PM
My hope for this, and I know it is quixotic at best, is that this causes self examination and an epiphany that the lack of college football is ultimately the fault of those who have refused to do what it takes to control this.  I marvel at how many are still refusing to grow up and do the right thing.

Do borrow and paraphrase from so many strict mother's, 'college football is a privilege, not a right.   And if you don't behave, you will be denied that privilege.'


It is going to take a while - if ever - for that epiphany to occur. At it stands now, the season is still technically a 'go' in the places least equipped to handle a season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
Right ... and yet they're allowing/requiring practices within these "bubbles." And while they're unpadded practices for now at least, there's still contact and players in close proximity.
I just find their position to be intellectually inconsistent. If their overreaching concern were health and safety of the players, there wouldn't be team activities any more than games.

I think the bottom line was what their lawyers told them about liability. I don't claim to know what it was, but....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 11, 2020, 06:56:34 PM
The seasons for the B10 and Pac12 weren't even cancelled until this afternoon. If they continue requiring large-group practices and workouts over the next several weeks, you will have a valid question. For now, it seems a little early to draw conclusions on the 'intellectual consistency' of their actions.

Because large group practices and workouts will be risky in mid-September but not mid-August?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 11, 2020, 09:24:25 PM
Because large group practices and workouts will be risky in mid-September but not mid-August?


I won’t defend the actions of any college sports program practicing right now. I am simply trying to explain them. Frankly, I think the entire college football and basketball seasons should already have been canceled.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 12, 2020, 01:34:00 PM
Let’s rewind. College sports’ governing body, the NCAA, and the members of the Power Five have had since March to cancel the college football season. Instead, they compelled thousands of players back on to campus for workouts over the spring and summer, exposing them to the threat of Covid-19, a virus that has to date killed more than 160,000 Americans and 730,000 people worldwide. Yet, despite numerous outbreaks of Covid-19 in football programs across the US, by early August, much of the Power Five remained committed to preserving the season. Until, this week, when suddenly they didn’t. While our understanding of the virus has not changed significantly over the past few weeks, one important variable has: football players across the nation have boldly mobilized for increased control over their working conditions.

https://sports.yahoo.com/cancelling-college-football-season-union-113456784.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 12, 2020, 01:52:51 PM
Let’s rewind. College sports’ governing body, the NCAA, and the members of the Power Five have had since March to cancel the college football season. Instead, they compelled thousands of players back on to campus for workouts over the spring and summer, exposing them to the threat of Covid-19, a virus that has to date killed more than 160,000 Americans and 730,000 people worldwide. Yet, despite numerous outbreaks of Covid-19 in football programs across the US, by early August, much of the Power Five remained committed to preserving the season. Until, this week, when suddenly they didn’t. While our understanding of the virus has not changed significantly over the past few weeks, one important variable has: football players across the nation have boldly mobilized for increased control over their working conditions.

https://sports.yahoo.com/cancelling-college-football-season-union-113456784.html


Trevor Lawrence scared the crap out of them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on August 12, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
This could have long term recruiting benefits

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29641285/acc-sec-say-football-plans-remain-unchanged%3Fplatform%3Damp
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 13, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
This could have long term recruiting benefits

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29641285/acc-sec-say-football-plans-remain-unchanged%3Fplatform%3Damp


Florida State University players and parents are tweeting about how the University isn't doing the testing they promised, that players are testing positive, and the coaching staff is telling them not to say anything.

It's going great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 13, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
Two days ago - Nebraska threatens to play a football season regardless of what the B10 decides.

Yesterday - Big Ten says "fine, but then you are leaving the conference."

Today - Nebraska says they are committed to the B10.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on August 13, 2020, 07:35:10 PM
Big Ten can play a full 13 game round robin schedule in the spring.

The Rose Bowl can be played on Memorial Day between the Big Ten and Pac 12 champion.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 13, 2020, 07:39:52 PM
Big Ten can play a full 13 game round robin schedule in the spring.

The Rose Bowl can be played on Memorial Day between the Big Ten and Pac 12 champion.


So say they play a full schedule and finish up on Memorial Day. Do they then begin fall practice in August and start the next season around Labor Day?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 13, 2020, 07:48:05 PM
Big Ten can play a full 13 game round robin schedule in the spring.

The Rose Bowl can be played on Memorial Day between the Big Ten and Pac 12 champion.

Sure, 13-14 games in the spring and another, what, 10-12 in the fall?
College kids playing 23+ games in 9 months.
But they canceled the season because they care so much about player safety.

There's no way they can play spring and fall seasons in 2021 and ever credibly claim to care about the players' well-being.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 13, 2020, 08:06:32 PM
Sure, 13-14 games in the spring and another, what, 10-12 in the fall?
College kids playing 23+ games in 9 months.
But they canceled the season because they care so much about player safety.

There's no way they can play spring and fall seasons in 2021 and ever credibly claim to care about the players' well-being.

Jeff Brohm has a plan that I think looks feasible.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonowh/status/1293892081803501568?s=21
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
Big Ten can play a full 13 game round robin schedule in the spring.

The Rose Bowl can be played on Memorial Day between the Big Ten and Pac 12 champion.

Sure they can, Jan
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 13, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
Jeff Brohm has a plan that I think looks feasible.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonowh/status/1293892081803501568?s=21

Interesting effort, but this still has kids playing a minimum of 18 games in 9 months and potentially 22 in 10.5 months.

Though I do appreciate the fact that it eliminates any pretense that coaches care about education by essentially making the kids full-time athletes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 14, 2020, 07:15:26 AM
What not too many folks talk about is how at-risk a huge percentage of football players -- both pro and college -- are to COVID-19.

Linemen, especially (but not exclusively), are forced to bulk up to the point that they have BMIs well over 30. They are obese, and therefore at a very high risk for COVID-19. Many of them have asthma and/or sleep apnea.

I've long believed that what football demands from linemen is borderline criminal. Back in the 1980s, the Bears were fining the Fridge if he weighed more than 300 pounds; now they probably would fine him if he weighed less than 325. It's terrible.

In addition to demanding that they put themselves in position to contract a whole host of ailments, illnesses and permanent disabilities, football is now setting them up for COVID-19. Shameful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 14, 2020, 07:27:46 AM
Interesting effort, but this still has kids playing a minimum of 18 games in 9 months and potentially 22 in 10.5 months.

Though I do appreciate the fact that it eliminates any pretense that coaches care about education by essentially making the kids full-time athletes.


I don't think those numbers of games in that timeframe is unreasonable. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 14, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
What not too many folks talk about is how at-risk a huge percentage of football players -- both pro and college -- are to COVID-19.

Linemen, especially (but not exclusively), are forced to bulk up to the point that they have BMIs well over 30. They are obese, and therefore at a very high risk for COVID-19. Many of them have asthma and/or sleep apnea.

I've long believed that what football demands from linemen is borderline criminal. Back in the 1980s, the Bears were fining the Fridge if he weighed more than 300 pounds; now they probably would fine him if he weighed less than 325. It's terrible.

In addition to demanding that they put themselves in position to contract a whole host of ailments, illnesses and permanent disabilities, football is now setting them up for COVID-19. Shameful.

Not to completely dismiss the point, but BMI is horsesh*t, and especially worthless when talking about athletes.
According to BMI, a person like Brian Urlacher - who played at about 6'4", 255 - was obese. So is Mike Trout at 6'2", 235. Aaron Donald, who's a shredded 6'1", 284, is grossly obese according to BMI. LeBron James, at 6'9", 250, is merely overweight. Patrick Kane, at 5'10", 180, also is overweight according to BMI.
It's trash.

Obesity is for sure a co-morbidity for COVID, but you can't lump athletes in with the 50-year-old guy who's carrying an extra 35 pounds because he's sitting on the couch every night choking down IPAs and potato chips.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2020, 09:56:36 AM
Not to completely dismiss the point, but BMI is horsesh*t, and especially worthless when talking about athletes.
According to BMI, a person like Brian Urlacher - who played at about 6'4", 255 - was obese. So is Mike Trout at 6'2", 235. Aaron Donald, who's a shredded 6'1", 284, is grossly obese according to BMI. LeBron James, at 6'9", 250, is merely overweight. Patrick Kane, at 5'10", 180, also is overweight according to BMI.
It's trash.

Obesity is for sure a co-morbidity for COVID, but you can't lump athletes in with the 50-year-old guy who's carrying an extra 35 pounds because he's sitting on the couch every night choking down IPAs and potato chips.

That’s a personal attack IMO 😂
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 14, 2020, 11:32:15 AM
https://twitter.com/MatthewGut21/status/1294310227362426882?s=20

Many Syracuse FB players, who already have sat out 3 practices, may opt out of the 2020 season as early as today, sources tell
@TheAthletic. “They have concerns about the long-term effects of the virus, and they don’t think there’s going to be a season anyway,” one person said.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on August 14, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Not to completely dismiss the point, but BMI is horsesh*t, and especially worthless when talking about athletes.
According to BMI, a person like Brian Urlacher - who played at about 6'4", 255 - was obese. So is Mike Trout at 6'2", 235. Aaron Donald, who's a shredded 6'1", 284, is grossly obese according to BMI. LeBron James, at 6'9", 250, is merely overweight. Patrick Kane, at 5'10", 180, also is overweight according to BMI.
It's trash.

Obesity is for sure a co-morbidity for COVID, but you can't lump athletes in with the 50-year-old guy who's carrying an extra 35 pounds because he's sitting on the couch every night choking down IPAs and potato chips.

This is almost certainly true. And to bridge the gap with '82's post and meet in the middle, I just don't think there's any way to know what would happen if covid started sweeping through football locker rooms.  I look at a guy like Joe Thomas, who played at 6' 6" 312, retired after the 2017 season, and was down to 255 by June 2019.  That was absolutely an "in shape" 312, but if covid attacks the heart tissue, gotta think that heart was also under a lot of stress supporting that extra 75lbs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 14, 2020, 01:42:34 PM
This is almost certainly true. And to bridge the gap with '82's post and meet in the middle, I just don't think there's any way to know what would happen if covid started sweeping through football locker rooms.  I look at a guy like Joe Thomas, who played at 6' 6" 312, retired after the 2017 season, and was down to 255 by June 2019.  That was absolutely an "in shape" 312, but if covid attacks the heart tissue, gotta think that heart was also under a lot of stress supporting that extra 75lbs.

Burrow:

Totally understand what Pakuni was saying, and I thank you for this post. Well stated.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 14, 2020, 02:13:25 PM
Not to completely dismiss the point, but BMI is horsesh*t, and especially worthless when talking about athletes.
According to BMI, a person like Brian Urlacher - who played at about 6'4", 255 - was obese. So is Mike Trout at 6'2", 235. Aaron Donald, who's a shredded 6'1", 284, is grossly obese according to BMI. LeBron James, at 6'9", 250, is merely overweight. Patrick Kane, at 5'10", 180, also is overweight according to BMI.
It's trash.

Obesity is for sure a co-morbidity for COVID, but you can't lump athletes in with the 50-year-old guy who's carrying an extra 35 pounds because he's sitting on the couch every night choking down IPAs and potato chips.


With all due respect, it is premature to draw that kind of conclusion on the link between BMI and COVID morbidity. Experts still don't know why people with higher BMIs are at higher risk for serious illness from COVID...and some of the current theories have nothing to do with whether a person is 'healthy.' For example, a recent paper in Mayo Clinic Proceedings noted that fat tissue has a higher concentration of ACE2 receptors than other types of tissue. Since COVID is known specifically to attack ACE2 receptors, the paper suggests that more fat = more places for COVID to thrive and attack.

Additionally, simply carrying more weight - fat or not - makes a person more likely to be insulin-resistant. That causes the pancreas to produce higher levels of insulin, and that causes production of more ACE2 receptors as well.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200714/why-obesity-may-stack-the-deck-for-covid-19-risk

So yeah - there are plenty of athletes that are 'healthy' despite having higher than average BMIs. But being 'healthy' might not be the point....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 14, 2020, 03:25:02 PM

With all due respect, it is premature to draw that kind of conclusion on the link between BMI and COVID morbidity.

I'll just leave this here

https://www.ajmc.com/view/kaiser-severe-obesity-boosts-risk-of-covid-19-death-especially-for-the-young


Severe obesity puts those with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) at particularly high risk of death, more so than related risk factors such as diabetes or hypertension, according to a study of patient records that researchers from Kaiser Permanente published today.

The study, appearing in Annals of Internal Medicine,1 showed that obesity is especially dangerous for men and younger patients who contract COVID-19, and that obesity stood out from racial, ethnic, or socioeconomic disparities when isolated from those factors.

Data from the 6916 patients in the study show that compared with those at normal body mass index (BMI) of 18.5 to 24 kg/m2, the risk of death more than doubled for patients with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 to 44 kg/m2 (relative risk of 2.68; 95% CI, 1.43 to 5.04) and nearly doubled again for those with a BMI of 45 kg/m2 (relative risk of 4.18; 95% CI, 2.12 to 8.26).

“This risk was most striking among those aged 60 years or younger and men,” the authors wrote.

In an accompanying editorial, David A. Kass, MD, a cardiologist at John Hopkins University, wrote that these findings, when taken with prior research, “should put to rest the contention that obesity is common in severe COVID-19 because it is common in the population. Obesity is an important independent risk factor for serious COVID-19 disease.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 14, 2020, 04:00:32 PM
I'll just leave this here

https://www.ajmc.com/view/kaiser-severe-obesity-boosts-risk-of-covid-19-death-especially-for-the-young


Severe obesity puts those with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) at particularly high risk of death, more so than related risk factors such as diabetes or hypertension, according to a study of patient records that researchers from Kaiser Permanente published today.

The study, appearing in Annals of Internal Medicine,1 showed that obesity is especially dangerous for men and younger patients who contract COVID-19, and that obesity stood out from racial, ethnic, or socioeconomic disparities when isolated from those factors.

Data from the 6916 patients in the study show that compared with those at normal body mass index (BMI) of 18.5 to 24 kg/m2, the risk of death more than doubled for patients with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 to 44 kg/m2 (relative risk of 2.68; 95% CI, 1.43 to 5.04) and nearly doubled again for those with a BMI of 45 kg/m2 (relative risk of 4.18; 95% CI, 2.12 to 8.26).

“This risk was most striking among those aged 60 years or younger and men,” the authors wrote.

In an accompanying editorial, David A. Kass, MD, a cardiologist at John Hopkins University, wrote that these findings, when taken with prior research, “should put to rest the contention that obesity is common in severe COVID-19 because it is common in the population. Obesity is an important independent risk factor for serious COVID-19 disease.”



I wasn't disagreeing that obesity puts people at higher risk for COVID  morbidity and mortality. That is substantiated throughout the literature.

I was simply pointing out that it is premature to say that 'healthy' obese people are somehow better off. That's why I said it is "premature to draw that kind of conclusion (i.e., that 'obese' football players are better off than 'obese' couch potatoes) on the link between BMI and COVID morbidity." And nothing in your link disputes that. In fact, it disputes your earlier point that "BMI is horsesh!t."
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 14, 2020, 04:21:44 PM

I wasn't disagreeing that obesity puts people at higher risk for COVID  morbidity and mortality. That is substantiated throughout the literature.

I was simply pointing out that it is premature to say that 'healthy' obese people are somehow better off. That's why I said it is "premature to draw that kind of conclusion (i.e., that 'obese' football players are better off than 'obese' couch potatoes) on the link between BMI and COVID morbidity." And nothing in your link disputes that. In fact, it disputes your earlier point that "BMI is horsesh!t."

OK, but what I'm saying is there's no such thing as "healthy obese" people. Obese people are not healthy and healthy people are not obese. Athletes like the ones I mentioned are not obese, and the fact BMI categorizes them as such illustrates BMI's lack of value. Obesity is defined as "abnormal or excessive fat accumulation." With very few exceptions (i.e. the 6'1", 340 nose tackles), college athletes do not fit that bill.

Not arguing for or against college football here, but the hypocrisy surrounding these decisions is stunning. The reality is the athletes with incentive to stay well (so they can play) are probably the least at-risk people on campus. There are going to be far more overweight and otherwise unhealthy people in the regular student body, and they're going to be packed into crowded dorms and off-campus housing, and almost assuredly not social distancing on Friday and Saturday nights. And yet some of the same university presidents who've decided athletics are unsafe are bringing the rest of the student body back to campus right now.
/rant ended
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 14, 2020, 05:12:52 PM

OK, but what I'm saying is there's no such thing as "healthy obese" people. Obese people are not healthy and healthy people are not obese. Athletes like the ones I mentioned are not obese, and the fact BMI categorizes them as such illustrates BMI's lack of value. Obesity is defined as "abnormal or excessive fat accumulation." With very few exceptions (i.e. the 6'1", 340 nose tackles), college athletes do not fit that bill.



The medical community disagrees with you. BMI was used to define obesity by the doc from Johns Hopkins in the article you linked, and it is used by the docs at Mayo Clinic.

Specifically with respect to COVID, BMI might very well be a good indicator of susceptibility, regardless of the person’s time in the 40. The mere fact that a body has more weight than it should makes it less healthy than it otherwise would be. The comment in my earlier post about insulin resistance is a great case in point. Simply having more tissue than the pancreas can keep up with can lead to an increase in ACE2 receptors - potentially a setup for a nasty COVID outcome.

And even if docs adopted your restrictive view regarding excess fat regardless of BMI, the number of football players who meet that criterion is dramatically higher than you think. Just look at the offensive and defensive lines of any major college football team or NFL team, and you will see tremendous athletes who have more belly fat than anyone would call ‘healthy.’
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 15, 2020, 08:53:34 AM

The medical community disagrees with you.

So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue now, but if your point is that BMI in itself is an indicator of health, then I can point you to numerous  studies like the UCLA one below that finds otherwise. 

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dont-use-body-mass-index-to-determine-whether-people-are-healthy-ucla-led-study-says


But hey, if you want stick to your guns and tell us Mike Trout and Aaron Donald are excessively fat, have at it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 15, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue now, but if your point is that BMI in itself is an indicator of health, then I can point you to numerous  studies like the UCLA one below that finds otherwise. 

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dont-use-body-mass-index-to-determine-whether-people-are-healthy-ucla-led-study-says


But hey, if you want stick to your guns and tell us Mike Trout and Aaron Donald are excessively fat, have at it.


I have never said that 'Mike Trout and Aaron Donald are excessively fat,' so don't put words in my mouth.

I have consistently said that - in accordance with with what Johns Hopkins and Mayo Clinic have said - BMI is a good measure of health status, and they don't make exceptions for athletes. And it is not just about being 'fat,' although you consistently ignore that part of my argument. I am talking abut high BMI possibly being a risk factor for COVID morbidity and mortality, and I have pointed out the reasons multiple times above. To reiterate: ACE2 receptors, insulin resistance, possibly other factors - read about them.

Choose to ignore the scientific arguments with hyperbole about being 'excessively fat' if you like, but that doesn't make the issue go away.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 15, 2020, 12:05:55 PM

I have never said that 'Mike Trout and Aaron Donald are excessively fat,' so don't put words in my mouth.

I have consistently said that - in accordance with with what Johns Hopkins and Mayo Clinic have said - BMI is a good measure of health status, and they don't make exceptions for athletes. And it is not just about being 'fat,' although you consistently ignore that part of my argument. I am talking abut high BMI possibly being a risk factor for COVID morbidity and mortality, and I have pointed out the reasons multiple times above. To reiterate: ACE2 receptors, insulin resistance, possibly other factors - read about them.

Choose to ignore the scientific arguments with hyperbole about being 'excessively fat' if you like, but that doesn't make the issue go away.

You're correct. You didn't call Aaron Donald or Mike Trout excessively fat. You merely defended the accuracy and value of a tool - including for athletes - that says Aaron Donald and Mike Trout are excessively fat.
My mistake for not making that distinction.

I chose earlier not to correct your mistake regarding insulin reduction and weight, but since you insist ... your comments are wrong, according to the science.
As you can see from this study, having more muscle mass actually protects against insulin resistance.
"In a cross-sectional study, every 10% increase in the ratio of skeletal muscle mass to total body weight was associated with an 11% reduction in risk of insulin resistance and a 12% drop in risk of transitional, prediabetes, or overt diabetes, Preethi Srikanthan, MD, of the University of California Los Angeles, and colleagues reported online in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism."
The findings point to the importance of gauging muscle mass, in addition to other established risk factors such as body mass index (BMI) and waist circumference when assessing a patient's metabolic health, the researchers said."


https://www.medpagetoday.org/clinical-context/type2diabetes/27816?vpass=1

So while you're correct that the wrong kind of excess weight can increase insulin resistance, you're wrong that it's "fat or not."

And since you like to cite Mayo for defending BMI, it sounds like they agree with me:
"That said, BMI does not always provide the full story regarding health risks for some people. That is because it does not take into consideration individual factors, such as bone or muscle mass. For example, if you lead an active lifestyle and regularly participate in both aerobic exercise and weight training activities, you may have a healthy percentage of body fat despite having a BMI above the normal range. So in that situation, a higher BMI does not necessarily translate to higher health risks. "

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-q-and-a-bmi-is-not-the-only-indicator-of-your-overall-health/

You say I'm ignoring the scientific arguments, but I'm not. I keep posting links to the science, and the science says you're wrong. First you claimed no scientific link between BMI and COVID mortality, which is wrong, and now you're saying muscle weight is the same as fat weight when it comes to insulin reduction ... also wrong.
I don't doubt you're a smart person with some knowledge of health care or science, but some of the things you've been saying are provably false.

Anyhow, we're far afield from college football at this point, so I'll drop it. Last word is yours if you want it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 15, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
You're correct. You didn't call Aaron Donald or Mike Trout excessively fat. You merely defended the accuracy and value of a tool - including for athletes - that says Aaron Donald and Mike Trout are excessively fat.
My mistake for not making that distinction.

I chose earlier not to correct your mistake regarding insulin reduction and weight, but since you insist ... your comments are wrong, according to the science.
As you can see from this study, having more muscle mass actually protects against insulin resistance.
"In a cross-sectional study, every 10% increase in the ratio of skeletal muscle mass to total body weight was associated with an 11% reduction in risk of insulin resistance and a 12% drop in risk of transitional, prediabetes, or overt diabetes, Preethi Srikanthan, MD, of the University of California Los Angeles, and colleagues reported online in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism."
The findings point to the importance of gauging muscle mass, in addition to other established risk factors such as body mass index (BMI) and waist circumference when assessing a patient's metabolic health, the researchers said."


https://www.medpagetoday.org/clinical-context/type2diabetes/27816?vpass=1

So while you're correct that the wrong kind of excess weight can increase insulin resistance, you're wrong that it's "fat or not."

And since you like to cite Mayo for defending BMI, it sounds like they agree with me:
"That said, BMI does not always provide the full story regarding health risks for some people. That is because it does not take into consideration individual factors, such as bone or muscle mass. For example, if you lead an active lifestyle and regularly participate in both aerobic exercise and weight training activities, you may have a healthy percentage of body fat despite having a BMI above the normal range. So in that situation, a higher BMI does not necessarily translate to higher health risks. "

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-q-and-a-bmi-is-not-the-only-indicator-of-your-overall-health/

You say I'm ignoring the scientific arguments, but I'm not. I keep posting links to the science, and the science says you're wrong. First you claimed no scientific link between BMI and COVID mortality, which is wrong, and now you're saying muscle weight is the same as fat weight when it comes to insulin reduction ... also wrong.
I don't doubt you're a smart person with some knowledge of health care or science, but some of the things you've been saying are provably false.

Anyhow, we're far afield from college football at this point, so I'll drop it. Last word is yours if you want it.

You really ought to go back and read my posts, because you clearly missed, or misunderstood, what I said.

There does appear to be a link between BMI and COVID mortality. I said that all along, and it was clearly stated in the link that quoted the Johns Hopkins researcher. I was disputing your specific claim that the BMI-COVID link doesn't apply to athletes.

And I never said 'muscle weight is the same as fat weight' when it comes to insulin resistance. My point was simply that it's more complicated than simply fat = insulin resistance...which it is.

Finally, your links talk generally about BMI and overall health in athletes. My link talked specifically about BMI and COVID, with alternative theories that may be independent of just fat. I think the latter is more relevant here.

I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 16, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
Big 10 getting some pushback from players and their parents.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29674110/ohio-state-qb-justin-fields-starts-petition-relaunch-big-ten-season
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 16, 2020, 12:53:36 PM
The Big Ten really has handled this whole thing poorly. Should never have released the alternative schedule. Should have asked for a unanimous vote and no coaches dissent. Poorly done.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 16, 2020, 02:27:55 PM
The Big Ten really has handled this whole thing poorly. Should never have released the alternative schedule. Should have asked for a unanimous vote and no coaches dissent. Poorly done.

Couldn’t happen to a better league
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 16, 2020, 03:59:58 PM
Bring back Jim Delany!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on August 18, 2020, 10:20:31 PM
UNC goes all online but keeping football and definitely will be keeping basketball.  Important to note that Bubba Cunningham and Bill Scholl are good friends from Notre Dame days......


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/sports/ncaafootball/unc-football-acc-online-classes.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 18, 2020, 11:10:45 PM
UNC goes all online but keeping football and definitely will be keeping basketball.  Important to note that Bubba Cunningham and Bill Scholl are good friends from Notre Dame days......


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/sports/ncaafootball/unc-football-acc-online-classes.html


Students go home, athletes stay here, and never the twain shall meet.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 19, 2020, 04:51:00 AM
Other students will be staying as well. Athletics are important to schools. I really don’t see this as big an issue as most. It just needs to be done safely.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 28, 2020, 10:55:56 AM
So now the Big Ten is talking about a fall season starting around Thanksgiving.

That really makes no sense at all.  But whatever....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 28, 2020, 11:18:12 AM
So now the Big Ten is talking about a fall season starting around Thanksgiving.

That really makes no sense at all.  But whatever....

Seems like the model that has been suggested for bubble college basketball.  They'd be able to pull off an 8 week season before classes resume in January... right?

on a side note, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 28, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
Seems like the model that has been suggested for bubble college basketball.  They'd be able to pull off an 8 week season before classes resume in January... right?

on a side note, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....


But no post season to play for.  And they aren't going to be able to bubble these teams completely.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
Wait ... if I didn't read this in Smuggles' "tectonic change" thread, how am I expected to believe it?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Wait ... if I didn't read this in Smuggles' "tectonic change" thread, how am I expected to believe it?

Universities that have gone back to class aren’t controlling Covid spread at all and meathead football coaches think they can.  Oklahoma had a whole position group have to quarantine.  University presidents may have to deal with angry alumni but it’s better than dealing with lawyers in the long run. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 28, 2020, 12:13:27 PM
Universities that have gone back to class aren’t controlling Covid spread at all and meathead football coaches think they can.  Oklahoma had a whole position group have to quarantine.  University presidents may have to deal with angry alumni but it’s better than dealing with lawyers in the long run.

angry alumni? The real angry groups are people who have only set foot on a college campus to attend a football game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2020, 12:31:14 PM
angry alumni? The real angry groups are people who have only set foot on a college campus to attend a football game.

That, too 😬
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 31, 2020, 07:10:10 PM
Notre Dame football moving forward with fans in the stands.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 31, 2020, 07:18:37 PM
Notre Dame football moving forward with fans in the stands.

Brian Kelly has killed before
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on August 31, 2020, 08:09:23 PM
Brian Kelly has killed before

this made me laugh out loud and I'm probably going to hell (with Brian Kelly) now
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 31, 2020, 10:51:50 PM
Notre Dame football moving forward with fans in the stands.


Because Notre Dame students have shown they’re so disciplined with regard to Covid…
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 31, 2020, 11:34:42 PM
Notre Dame football moving forward with fans in the stands.
Of cour$e. $o obviou$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 01, 2020, 08:02:38 AM
Of cour$e. $o obviou$.

But its not the high paying fans that are going to be in the stands.  Students, faculty and staff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on September 01, 2020, 02:52:40 PM
Sounds like big ten make reverse decision related to Trump/feds donating testing supplies.

Genius political move.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 01, 2020, 02:54:39 PM
Sounds like big ten make reverse decision related to Trump/feds donating testing supplies.

Genius political move.

Or simply another exaggeration...

https://sports.yahoo.com/trumps-big-ten-tweets-fit-agenda-not-reality-191816394.html

"To say multiple sources denied the notion of the Big Ten playing immediately would not be strong enough. The sources heartily laughed at it. The notion of playing around Thanksgiving is in embryonic discussion, and there’s a desire among coaches to start as early as possible. But “immediately” is in another universe, especially with multiple Big Ten teams not even having players on campus right now."
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on September 01, 2020, 03:03:20 PM
Or simply another exaggeration...

https://sports.yahoo.com/trumps-big-ten-tweets-fit-agenda-not-reality-191816394.html

"To say multiple sources denied the notion of the Big Ten playing immediately would not be strong enough. The sources heartily laughed at it. The notion of playing around Thanksgiving is in embryonic discussion, and there’s a desire among coaches to start as early as possible. But “immediately” is in another universe, especially with multiple Big Ten teams not even having players on campus right now."

Fair enough

I had seen this one too:

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1300875158018756611?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 01, 2020, 03:06:37 PM
Fair enough

I had seen this one too:

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1300875158018756611?s=19


https://twitter.com/HuskerExtraPG/status/1300882816121671681?s=20

Parker Gabriel
@HuskerExtraPG
·
19m
Reached via text this afternoon, #Huskers AD Bill Moos said of the Oct. 10 Big Ten start date rumor: "There's nothing to that."

Moos is part of a subcommittee that is looking into potential scheduling models as part of the league's return to competition group.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 01, 2020, 04:09:13 PM
So not “immediately“ or even October 10. Go figure....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 01, 2020, 05:58:46 PM
Or simply another exaggeration...

https://sports.yahoo.com/trumps-big-ten-tweets-fit-agenda-not-reality-191816394.html

"To say multiple sources denied the notion of the Big Ten playing immediately would not be strong enough. The sources heartily laughed at it. The notion of playing around Thanksgiving is in embryonic discussion, and there’s a desire among coaches to start as early as possible. But “immediately” is in another universe, especially with multiple Big Ten teams not even having players on campus right now."

Just a PR stunt because most teams are in battleground states - as evidenced by no call to the PAC-10 to start the season
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 01, 2020, 06:21:51 PM
Just a PR stunt because most teams are in battleground states - as evidenced by no call to the PAC-10 to start the season

exactly.  Biden ran a commercial recently which featured the Big House, Kinnick Stadium, Spartan Stadium, Camp Randall and Penn State and (rightfully) blamed Trump's pathetic response for no football, saying "Trump Put America on the Sidelines." That hurt.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 01, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
exactly.  Biden ran a commercial recently which featured the Big House, Kinnick Stadium, Spartan Stadium, Camp Randall and Penn State and (rightfully) blamed Trump's pathetic response for no football, saying "Trump Put America on the Sidelines." That hurt.

One of the rare times both-siderism actually applies.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2020, 07:15:45 PM
Sounds like Stick to Sports Clay Travis was the conduit to the meeting/phone call.  This stuff writes itself
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 04, 2020, 11:11:25 PM
TCU vs SMU, scheduled for September 10, canceled because a bunch of TCU folks tested positive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on September 05, 2020, 01:41:19 PM
Kirk Herbstreit on College Game Day:

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1302291578157924355?s=09
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 05, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
Listen.   Hear.   Try to help.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on September 05, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Being outraged about something bad that doesn't affect you, is what is needed more often from more people.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 05, 2020, 02:47:21 PM
Kirk Herbstreit on College Game Day:

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1302291578157924355?s=09

Wow. Thanks for posting. I had a few tears listening to this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 05, 2020, 04:09:17 PM
Kirk Herbstreit on College Game Day:

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1302291578157924355?s=09


I have always liked his announcing. Now I have a great respect for him as a human being. Major props to him for sharing his emotions like that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 05, 2020, 06:00:36 PM

I have always liked his announcing. Now I have a great respect for him as a human being. Major props to him for sharing his emotions like that.

It's hard to like and respect anyone from The OSU. Kirk is the exception.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 09, 2020, 09:26:54 AM
First SMU vs TCU was postponed, now it's Baylor vs Louisiana Tech.

https://sports.yahoo.com/source-baylor-louisiana-tech-postponed-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-after-hurricane-laura-011141895.html

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 09, 2020, 02:46:53 PM
Tough blow for the Friday night game (SMU/TCU) on FS1. Arkansas State/Kansas State moves from FS1 @2:30 to FOX at 11am for Big Noon Kickoff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on September 12, 2020, 01:01:53 PM
Dave Neal is on the call for Syracuse at UNC ACC matchup today. He is easily in my top tier of p×p broadcasters. He's very good. He's an FSU alum and has been doing SEC games for various sports for many years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on September 12, 2020, 02:23:39 PM
Pretty rough start to the first CFB Saturday. Top 20 UNC turned it on late but looked pretty brutal through 3Qs. Top 25 ISU looked lackadaisical in defeat. Though on the bright side, through a quarter and a few possessions, ND looks atrocious
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 12, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Pretty rough start to the first CFB Saturday. Top 20 UNC turned it on late but looked pretty brutal through 3Qs. Top 25 ISU looked lackadaisical in defeat. Though on the bright side, through a quarter and a few possessions, ND looks atrocious

Go Dook.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2020, 02:28:57 PM
I think you are going to see a lot of inconsistent play.  Games cancelled.  Uneven schedules.  And eventually they will crown a champion.

Whether or not the B10 and P12 should have participated in this mess will be judged by history.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 12, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
I went an entire season without watching college football in protest of conference realignment.   I am seriously contemplating doing it again.   

I doubt that seriously impacts the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2020, 03:50:11 PM
Mike “Antisocially Distant” Caltagirone
@caltagm
So they’ve stopped play at the Georgia Tech-Florida State football game because of lightning in the area.  I don’t know why.  More people die of the flu every year than being struck by lightning.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 12, 2020, 04:04:46 PM
I'm on the Sun Belt Conference fan club today!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
I'm on the Sun Belt Conference fan club today!!


Matt Campbell probably should have struck while the iron was hot.  Pretty hard to win consistently at Iowa State.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2020, 04:32:55 PM

The notion of playing around Thanksgiving is in embryonic discussion, and there’s a desire among coaches to start as early as possible.

Does this mean Thanksgiving 2020 may now be officially celebrated in the Spring of 2021?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on September 12, 2020, 07:08:03 PM
Possible Big Ten Football Revote

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29870531/sources-big-ten-revote-start-football-season-take-place-sunday
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
Ever see a -10 yard punt with a zero yard return for a touchdown?  Well...

https://twitter.com/bryandfischer/status/1304933211772915712?s=21

College football is just so awesome.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 12, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Got lucky while flipping around. Saw it live. The punter's reaction was funny.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 12, 2020, 09:11:54 PM
Ever see a -10 yard punt with a zero yard return for a touchdown?  Well...

https://twitter.com/bryandfischer/status/1304933211772915712?s=21

College football is just so awesome.


A punt return record that will never be broken…
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 12, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
I went an entire season without watching college football in protest of conference realignment.   I am seriously contemplating doing it again.   

I doubt that seriously impacts the game.

I’m not watching because I don’t think they should be playing. Pros are fine but not college.

I was supposed to be at the Oregon/Ohio State game today. It would have been cancelled anyway due to the fires and the air quality in Oregon being the worst in the world. Some things are just bigger than football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2020, 10:31:25 PM
I’m not watching because I don’t think they should be playing. Pros are fine but not college.

Some things are just bigger than football.

That’ll show ‘em, Billy!!



Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2020, 10:33:28 PM

Matt Campbell probably should have struck while the iron was hot.  Pretty hard to win consistently at Iowa State.

Tim Brando published his Top10 on the Paul Finebaum Show last week. He had Iowa State #6. Oops.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2020, 10:51:21 PM
Boy the B12 probably wishes they would have cancelled the season right?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 13, 2020, 09:00:11 AM
That’ll show ‘em, Billy!!

Kinda like losing interest in MU basketball because they’re in support of Marxist communism, ain’t?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
https://twitter.com/caltagm/status/1304879476702998528?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 13, 2020, 11:23:33 AM
That’ll show ‘em, Billy!!

Unlike some, I don’t believe my decision matters to them. It’s just a personal decision. After Liverpool/Leeds yesterday ND/Duke came on NBCand I had no interest.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2020, 12:22:39 PM
Kinda like losing interest in MU basketball because they’re in support of Marxist communism, ain’t?

LOL. Said by me never. One of my roommates (and a very close friend) was at one point the president of SDS at  Marquette. We had many long, detailed and spirited political discussions/disagreements about the merits (or lack thereof) of all of the “isms”. Never affected how we viewed each other as people - the idea that we would boycott, cancel or claim moral superiority over politics was ridiculous to us. You and Billy may roll that way. Not me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 13, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
LOL. Said by me never. One of my roommates (and a very close friend) was at one point the president of SDS at  Marquette. We had many long, detailed and spirited political discussions/disagreements about the merits (or lack thereof) of all of the “isms”. Never affected how we viewed each other as people - the idea that we would boycott, cancel or claim moral superiority over politics was ridiculous to us. You and Billy may roll that way. Not me.

There have been dozens of posts about not watching the NBA or MU basketball because of BLM. Why didn't you make this post in response to those posts?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2020, 03:22:25 PM
There have been dozens of posts about not watching the NBA or MU basketball because of BLM. Why didn't you make this post in response to those posts?

I have been clear that “cutting off your nose to spite your face” is (IMO) foolish. And I haven’t seen any MU fan saying they are boycotting MU Hoops over their support for BLM.

I have, however, seen it from the “other side”. Wades (and I guess Theo John, too) say that those of us who don’t share their politics are unwanted/unwelcome as fans of the program. I consider that attitude childish, ignore it and continue to support the program.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 13, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
I have been clear that “cutting off your nose to spite your face” is (IMO) foolish. And I haven’t seen any MU fan saying they are boycotting MU Hoops over their support for BLM.

I have, however, seen it from the “other side”. Wades (and I guess Theo John, too) say that those of us who don’t share their politics are unwanted/unwelcome as fans of the program. I consider that attitude childish, ignore it and continue to support the program.

If you have only seen it on one side,  then you have proven my point
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2020, 03:40:03 PM
I have been clear that “cutting off your nose to spite your face” is (IMO) foolish. And I haven’t seen any MU fan saying they are boycotting MU Hoops over their support for BLM.

I have, however, seen it from the “other side”. Wades (and I guess Theo John, too) say that those of us who don’t share their politics are unwanted/unwelcome as fans of the program. I consider that attitude childish, ignore it and continue to support the program.

Saying "Black lives matter" is not a political statement. It's a human rights statement. The fact that some people can't tell the difference is a big part of the problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 13, 2020, 03:41:26 PM
I have been clear that “cutting off your nose to spite your face” is (IMO) foolish. And I haven’t seen any MU fan saying they are boycotting MU Hoops over their support for BLM.

You should go back and check the thread.  I am certain there was one person who said just that...his screen name started with a K from what I remember. 

Edit: It was kyrza

“I've been a season ticket holder for over 10 years and it looks like I won't even watch games this year let alone get season tickets. “
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
Saying "Black lives matter" is not a political statement. It's a human rights statement. The fact that some people can't tell the difference is a big part of the problem.

Pakuni

I have said/acknowledged  “Black lives matter“ on many occasions here and elsewhere. That may be enough for you (for which I am grateful) but it doesn’t cut it for some.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2020, 04:46:00 PM
You should go back and check the thread.  I am certain there was one person who said just that...his screen name started with a K from what I remember. 

Edit: It was kyrza

“I've been a season ticket holder for over 10 years and it looks like I won't even watch games this year let alone get season tickets. “

Apologies for missing that. Just like with Billy, I think kyrza’s thinking is misguided.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 13, 2020, 04:55:07 PM
Pakuni

I have said/acknowledged  “Black lives matter“ on many occasions here and elsewhere. That may be enough for you (for which I am grateful) but it doesn’t cut it for some.

I'm not questioning whether you believe that. I don't doubt it at all.
I'm questioning the framing of "Black lives matter" as it's being used by Theo (and the rest of the MU athletic community) as "his politics."
It's something we should accept as self-evident, not a political stance.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2020, 07:09:04 PM
I'm not questioning whether you believe that. I don't doubt it at all.
I'm questioning the framing of "Black lives matter" as it's being used by Theo (and the rest of the MU athletic community) as "his politics."
It's something we should accept as self-evident, not a political stance.

“Black lives matter” means different things to different people. It can be apolitical, quasi political or Uber political. I support the first, have mixed feelings on the second and oppose the third. I don’t know which box to put Theo’s ultimatum in as he (to my knowledge) has never been specific about what “change” looks like to him. But even if his ideas turned out to be something I couldn’t support I would still support his right to his ideas off of the court. And his efforts on it. Whether he liked it or not.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 13, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
Still no decision from the Big Ten. Earlier reports made it sound like today’s meeting was going to be a quick and easy approval, but there will be another meeting tomorrow. Makes me suspect there still isn’t enough support to reverse the prior decision.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29880363/sources-big-ten-meets-again-sunday-no-vote-return-play
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 15, 2020, 02:43:27 PM
Potrykus is reporting the B10 will start in October with four home and four away games.

Really odd that they shut it down in the first place.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on September 15, 2020, 03:26:49 PM
Meanwhile, down south...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 15, 2020, 03:34:33 PM
Meanwhile, down south...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus)


Who could have possibly foreseen that?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 15, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
Potrykus is reporting the B10 will start in October with four home and four away games.

Really odd that they shut it down in the first place.


A final decision has not yet been made.

Big Ten football remains in limbo after another day of stalling

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/09/15/big-ten-football-2020/5800530002/

“There were a few other more minor reasons. But until we have answers to that, we will keep our season postponed. Once we have answers to that and some of those issues and things that we have ways to deal with them effectively, we will try to plan a delayed season.”

And yet, as the surreal moments of the morning and early afternoon faded, no official announcement came from the Big Ten. And the conference entered the evening in the same place it has been for more than a month.

In limbo.

The talk of a potential resumption of football comes as a number of Big Ten universities, including Michigan State and Michigan, are dealing with COVID-19 and related issues across their campuses. Students living in East Lansing were ordered to quarantine for 14 days due to a growing number of cases off campus, and graduate students and residence hall staffs were on strike in Ann Arbor.


————

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on September 16, 2020, 11:01:48 AM
Apparently a decision has been made - https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/09/16/big-ten-football-update-vote-2020/5814647002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/09/16/big-ten-football-update-vote-2020/5814647002/)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jficke13 on September 16, 2020, 11:14:57 AM
This guy. This guy right here:


David Hookstead
@dhookstead
I’ve spent the past 188 days fighting to save Big 10 football. Today, we accomplished the mission.

Much like the Osama Bin Laden raid or D-Day, you never know when your number will be called to serve. All you hope for is to execute your job and the mission.

We did just that.
7:58 AM · Sep 16, 2020·Twitter

https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1306215784348180481?s=20
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on September 16, 2020, 11:15:47 AM
Big ten looks dumb
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on September 16, 2020, 11:26:52 AM
This guy. This guy right here:


David Hookstead
@dhookstead
I’ve spent the past 188 days fighting to save Big 10 football. Today, we accomplished the mission.

Much like the Osama Bin Laden raid or D-Day, you never know when your number will be called to serve. All you hope for is to execute your job and the mission.

We did just that.
7:58 AM · Sep 16, 2020·Twitter

https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1306215784348180481?s=20

Figures he’s a Badger guy. Hope he doesn’t hurt himself while patting himself on the back in some of those other tweets.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 16, 2020, 01:33:30 PM
Big ten looks dumb


In other words, status quo.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 16, 2020, 01:45:47 PM
College football ranks just behind the NFL and far behind baseball, any basketball, any golf, and soccer on my list of sports to watch.   So, I don't really care.   Other than to say that this is more proof that college athletics is not amateur.   Good luck to all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on September 16, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
This guy. This guy right here:


David Hookstead
@dhookstead
I’ve spent the past 188 days fighting to save Big 10 football. Today, we accomplished the mission.

Much like the Osama Bin Laden raid or D-Day, you never know when your number will be called to serve. All you hope for is to execute your job and the mission.

We did just that.
7:58 AM · Sep 16, 2020·Twitter

https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1306215784348180481?s=20

Congrats on all the deaths, Dave
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 17, 2020, 09:48:11 AM
The 'new normal' in college sports?

Charlotte vs. North Carolina becomes 5th game wiped from Week 3 schedule due to COVID-19 issues

https://sports.yahoo.com/charlotte-vs-north-carolina-becomes-5th-game-wiped-from-week-3-schedule-due-to-covid-19-issues-143221260.html

The Charlotte vs. UNC game is the fifth game scheduled for the coming weekend to either be postponed or outright canceled. The other four are Virginia at Virginia Tech, BYU at Army, Memphis at Houston and Central Arkansas at Arkansas State. In all, 14 games involving FBS teams have either been postponed or canceled due to COVID-19 issues.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 17, 2020, 11:46:48 AM
Pick Six Pack

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-six-pack-miami-louisville-and-notre-dame-returning-to-action-among-best-week-3-college-football-picks/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 18, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
One of the big games for tomorrow, Houston at Baylor, is apparently postponed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 18, 2020, 01:48:43 PM
One of the big games for tomorrow, Houston at Baylor, is apparently postponed.


Confirmed.

https://sports.yahoo.com/houstons-visit-to-baylor-becomes-latest-week-3-game-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-181949340.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 20, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
Nebraska led the charge in getting the Big 14 to reverse its decision on fall football...and now it's leading the charge in whining about the schedule. Did someone piss on their corn?

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-week-3-winners-and-losers-nebraska-finally-got-what-it-wanted-and-its-still-unhappy-034427115.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on September 20, 2020, 10:09:57 AM
The 'new normal' in college sports?

Charlotte vs. North Carolina becomes 5th game wiped from Week 3 schedule due to COVID-19 issues

https://sports.yahoo.com/charlotte-vs-north-carolina-becomes-5th-game-wiped-from-week-3-schedule-due-to-covid-19-issues-143221260.html

The Charlotte vs. UNC game is the fifth game scheduled for the coming weekend to either be postponed or outright canceled. The other four are Virginia at Virginia Tech, BYU at Army, Memphis at Houston and Central Arkansas at Arkansas State. In all, 14 games involving FBS teams have either been postponed or canceled due to COVID-19 issues.
Charlotte had a lineman get Covid. Because of Contact Tracing, the rest of the line and those who came in contact with this player had to go on Quarantine for 14 days. Charlotte had no linemen and so they had to cancel the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2020, 04:03:01 PM
Notre Dame's game at Wake Forest postponed due to positive COVID-19 tests

https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dames-game-at-wake-forest-postponed-due-to-positive-covid-19-tests-185104329.html

ND sucks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 22, 2020, 04:34:46 PM
Big 10 not looking so dumb.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on September 22, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
Big 10 not looking so dumb.

Still looks dumb for going back.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 22, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Yup.   ND at the cutting edge of what will become commonplace.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2020, 07:45:48 PM
Yup.   ND at the cutting edge of what will become commonplace.


Some here think football will work because it is an outdoor sport and because the NFL has been successful thus far. However, in the same couple of weeks, several high major teams have had games canceled. In addition to ND, games have been canceled because of cases at Baylor, TCU, BYU and a few other schools. And the SEC - in the heart of ‘don’t make us wear masks’ country - hasn’t even started yet.

Not sure if it’s the money incentivizing the pro players or if it’s just “college kids being college kids,“ but things obviously are not going as well at the college level.

I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 22, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
It is reflective of what has been happening at campuses all over the country.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 22, 2020, 08:13:00 PM
Serious question ... why is the occasional postponement viewed as evidence of failure or that "football won't work."
It seems based on a false (and impossible) premise that the only way it works is if there are zero postponements or infections. I don't think anyone had that expectation.
Even so, the large majority of scheduled games are being played  ... 50 of 61 so far, with 34 of 35 still on the schedule for this upcoming weekend.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
Serious question ... why is the occasional postponement viewed as evidence of failure or that "football won't work."
It seems based on a false (and impossible) premise that the only way it works is if there are zero postponements or infections. I don't think anyone had that expectation.
Even so, the large majority of scheduled games are being played  ... 50 of 61 so far, with 34 of 35 still on the schedule for this upcoming weekend.


Simple. Just like every game played is evidence of success, every game canceled is evidence of failure. We won’t have all the evidence for several more weeks, but an 18% cancellation rate over the first two weeks isn’t great IMO.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 22, 2020, 09:36:16 PM

Simple. Just like every game played is evidence of success, every game canceled is evidence of failure. We won’t have all the evidence for several more weeks, but an 18% cancellation rate over the first two weeks isn’t great IMO.

On the other hand, an 82% success rate for something we've been told was doomed to fail is pretty good. If the season ends with anything close to 82% of the scheduled games having been played, it will be a roaring success.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2020, 10:24:25 PM
On the other hand, an 82% success rate for something we've been told was doomed to fail is pretty good. If the season ends with anything close to 82% of the scheduled games having been played, it will be a roaring success.


Or an 18% failure rate of something we were told was going to succeed would be a roaring failure. We can play semantic games all we want, but at this point it is still just an interim data set subject to varying opinions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 23, 2020, 01:51:59 PM
Another game canceled for this weekend: North Texas vs Houston.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29953866/another-problem-houston-north-texas-game-due-coronavirus

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
Another game canceled for this weekend: North Texas vs Houston.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29953866/another-problem-houston-north-texas-game-due-coronavirus

Houston has lost 4 games to COVID-19 so far ... all because of infections sustained by their opponents!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on September 23, 2020, 04:41:47 PM
Houston has lost 4 games to COVID-19 so far ... all because of infections sustained by their opponents!
Infections by opponents is 4.....Its five when you add UH/Wash State game cancelled when Pac 12 cancelled all games due to Covid
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 23, 2020, 04:45:45 PM
Infections by opponents is 4.....Its five when you add UH/Wash State game cancelled when Pac 12 cancelled all games due to Covid


Incredibly bad luck for Houston, given that none of the cancellations were their own doing.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 23, 2020, 04:47:33 PM
I feel bad for the players.  I don't feel bad for Dana Holgersen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 23, 2020, 11:17:09 PM
Add USF vs Florida Atlantic to the list of cancelled games.

https://sports.yahoo.com/south-florida-pauses-workouts-after-notre-dame-covid-19-outbreak-134857634.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 24, 2020, 06:09:15 PM
Pac 12 is officially back. Announces a 7-game season beginning Nov. 6.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Johnny B on September 24, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
Funny how fast these guys change their tune
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 24, 2020, 09:51:44 PM
And now the Mountain West is back. Eight games starring Oct..24.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 24, 2020, 10:22:17 PM
Funny how fast these guys change their tune

The daily te$ting capability wa$ a $ignificant rea$on for the change, along with one other factor.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 25, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
It's going to be nice to have all the top college football conferences back.  The Pac-12 too!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 25, 2020, 09:22:43 AM
Mid major.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 25, 2020, 03:54:12 PM
MACtion is back.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 25, 2020, 07:32:52 PM
Great to see the SEC start tomorrow. Many liking Kentucky to win at Auburn. Humm.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 26, 2020, 03:06:54 PM
Oklahoma blew a 21-point lead in the last 18 minutes at home.

Goodbye playoffs....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: BM1090 on September 26, 2020, 03:10:40 PM
Oklahoma blew a 21-point lead in the last 18 minutes at home.

Goodbye playoffs....

Lincoln Riley with one of the worst punt decisions I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 26, 2020, 04:16:47 PM
Lincoln Riley with one of the worst punt decisions I've ever seen.


And to make matters worse for the Sooners, Kansas State - a team that already lost to Arkansas State - was down seven starters due to Covid. Oof!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on October 12, 2020, 08:27:03 PM
Watching a replay of the Florida and Texas A & M game. Seems like a lot of people in the stands. Announced crowd of 24,079 at TAMU.  Capacity there is 102,733 so play at about a quarter of capacity. Did not seem like much social distancing going on either.  Although everyone was wearing masks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 12, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
Watching a replay of the Florida and Texas A & M game. Seems like a lot of people in the stands. Announced crowd of 24,079 at TAMU.  Capacity there is 102,733 so play at about a quarter of capacity. Did not seem like much social distancing going on either.  Although everyone was wearing masks.

The crowd at the Alabama - Ole Miss game was kind of scary. Don’t know what the attendance was, but the student section was packed together and  mostly maskless.

The following is Ole Miss’ mask policy for the game:

Face Coverings
Face coverings shall be required as a condition for entry/exit and when moving throughout Vaught-Hemingway Stadium. When in the general seating bowl, coverings are encouraged but not mandated for fans in ticketed groups that maintain six-foot distance from other ticketed groups.


I don’t know how they defined a ‘ticketed group‘, but it seemed like the whole student section was one big group.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 12, 2020, 08:52:06 PM
If you're a student stuck in row ZZ of the third deck,  why stay there when you can crowd into empty seats in the first deck?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 13, 2020, 04:00:54 PM
Florida Gator coach has repeatedly stated this week that they should "pack the Swamp" for their game v. LSU this week.

Multiple Gators tested positive throwing the game in doubt.

<sigh>
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 13, 2020, 04:41:09 PM
Florida Gator coach has repeatedly stated this week that they should "pack the Swamp" for their game v. LSU this week.

Multiple Gators tested positive throwing the game in doubt.

<sigh>


Fans sure will be pissed when they show up and there are no teams due to 'a hoax.'
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
Florida Gator coach has repeatedly stated this week that they should "pack the Swamp" for their game v. LSU this week.

Multiple Gators tested positive throwing the game in doubt.

<sigh>

I’m quite confident Dan Mullen has not followed proper protocols
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 13, 2020, 05:42:58 PM
I’m quite confident Dan Mullen has not followed proper protocols

Why would you think that?

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/florida/dan-mullen-wife/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 13, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
Numbskulls.

I guess people really don't want COVID-19 to end.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 14, 2020, 01:18:29 PM
Florida Gator coach has repeatedly stated this week that they should "pack the Swamp" for their game v. LSU this week.

Multiple Gators tested positive throwing the game in doubt.

<sigh>


Aaaaaaaand...postponed.

https://www.si.com/college/florida/football/florida-gators-football-lsu-tigers-postponed-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2020, 05:01:21 PM
Nick Saban tests positive for Covid, along with Alabama’s AD.  State has gone on lockdown and candlelight vigils are planned until coach is cleared
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 14, 2020, 07:00:03 PM

Aaaaaaaand...postponed.

https://www.si.com/college/florida/football/florida-gators-football-lsu-tigers-postponed-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak

Careful, Goooooooooo ...

If you share facts, rocket will accuse you (in all lower-case letters) of cheering for COVID to destroy America.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Nick Saban tests positive for Covid, along with Alabama’s AD.  State has gone on lockdown and candlelight vigils are planned until coach is cleared

I watched some of the Alabama v Ole Miss game. Saban wore his mask properly the entire time....except the oddest thing. Immediately after a friendly handshake with Lane Kiffin (both had masks on) Saban turns to middle of field to leave with security and he immediately takes off his mask while doing so.
 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 14, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
Nick Saban tests positive for Covid, along with Alabama’s AD.  State has gone on lockdown and candlelight vigils are planned until coach is cleared


Should be interesting, considering that one of Alabama’s biggest games all season (perhaps the biggest) is this Saturday against Georgia. If Saban hasn’t spread Covid to the team and they are able to play, they will be without him on the sideline.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2020, 08:05:42 PM

Should be interesting, considering that one of Alabama’s biggest games all season (perhaps the biggest) is this Saturday against Georgia. If Saban hasn’t spread Covid to the team and they are able to play, they will be without him on the sideline.

I did not know that!  I’ve only been loosely following.  It is hard to believe if the head coach tests positive, they play a game but damn the torpedoes
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2020, 08:43:33 PM
I did not know that!  I’ve only been loosely following.  It is hard to believe if the head coach tests positive, they play a game but damn the torpedoes

Despite the way it ended at USC, Steve Sarkisian is a very good coach.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 14, 2020, 08:54:23 PM
I did not know that!  I’ve only been loosely following.  It is hard to believe if the head coach tests positive, they play a game but damn the torpedoes
Not hard to believe. Florida State with Mike Norvell was out at Miami.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 14, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
I did not know that!  I’ve only been loosely following.  It is hard to believe if the head coach tests positive, they play a game but damn the torpedoes

Sure. I mean if a coach needs an emergency appendectomy, they’d still play, with the “associate head coach” taking over. Just like if a coach is ejected 3 minutes into a game ... somebody takes over.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 14, 2020, 11:17:16 PM
I watched some of the Alabama v Ole Miss game. Saban wore his mask properly the entire time....except the oddest thing. Immediately after a friendly handshake with Lane Kiffin (both had masks on) Saban turns to middle of field to leave with security and he immediately takes off his mask while doing so.

Are we sure that watching his defense play wasn't the reason Saban is sick?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 14, 2020, 11:49:01 PM
Despite the way it ended at USC, Steve Sarkisian is a very good coach.

He did a solid job at Washington as a very young HC and was turning USC around before his alcohol issues. He’s got that Bama offense humming. They’ll still have Saban’s discipline and planning.

Are we sure that watching his defense play wasn't the reason Saban is sick?

To be fair, though another much maligned guy, Lane Kiffin is an offensive genius. His ability to call that side of the ball is without question.  And he was Saban’s right hand man for 3 seasons. He knows how to scheme against Bama. Doesn’t mean he is gonna win, but if anyone can score points against Bama, it’s a Kiffin offense. Plus Saban and Sark realized Ole Miss couldn’t stop them, so no need to stress too much on it after they got a stop or two
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 15, 2020, 12:09:15 AM

To be fair, though another much maligned guy, Lane Kiffin is an offensive genius. His ability to call that side of the ball is without question.  And he was Saban’s right hand man for 3 seasons. He knows how to scheme against Bama. Doesn’t mean he is gonna win, but if anyone can score points against Bama, it’s a Kiffin offense. Plus Saban and Sark realized Ole Miss couldn’t stop them, so no need to stress too much on it after they got a stop or two



Made for an awfully fun game to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2020, 07:03:15 AM
Not hard to believe. Florida State with Mike Norvell was out at Miami.

Thinking more along the lines of, he’s around everyone and who knows who he infected or was infected by
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 16, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
Looks like Saban may not have the COVID after all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 16, 2020, 07:58:12 PM
Looks like Saban may not have the COVID after all.

It would be nice if he's there. Such a huge game, as the winner will be the frontrunner for the #2 spot in the playoff.

On the flip side, it looks like 10 FBS games have been canceled so far this weekend, including 3 involving ranked teams. Scroll to the bottom for the list of cancellations. Oof.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/scoreboard/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 17, 2020, 06:39:49 PM
Dan Mullen tested positive.
Hope he comes through OK, but that's some karma there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 17, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
Watching Georgia at Alabama right now. Compared to what I have seen at other stadiums, Alabama seems to be doing an excellent job of keeping people evenly distributed throughout the stadium. There are a few small clusters together, but there is no large gravitation toward the 50 yard line and the crowd generally appears to be evenly spaced throughout.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 19, 2020, 04:14:31 PM
Strangest top 25 I have ever seen. Most teams have played 4 games, and a few have played 5, yet the seven Big ?? and Pac 12 teams are still 0-0.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/rankings/

Wonder what effect it will have on voters that teams play such differing numbers of games, and that some teams will be playing long after others have finished. Just another 2020 conundrum....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 23, 2020, 08:56:14 PM
Bizarro Wisconsin badgers so far. Really solid QB play with a mediocre running game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 24, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
Bizarro Wisconsin badgers so far. Really solid QB play with a mediocre running game.


They may have found a new starting QB.

It's only one game and the opponent was Illinois, but it is hard to ignore 20-21 passing with the only incompletion being a dropped ball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2020, 06:47:16 PM
The last 2 minutes and OT of PSU/IU was utterly insane. I don’t even know what else to say, holy $hit.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 24, 2020, 08:02:55 PM
Maryland is just awful. This Northwestern team should not look as good as they do.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2020, 08:21:30 PM
The last 2 minutes and OT of PSU/IU was utterly insane. I don’t even know what else to say, holy $hit.

Frames Janklin
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 24, 2020, 09:32:07 PM
Shoulda fired Mick McCall a decade ago...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 24, 2020, 11:26:01 PM
The last 2 minutes and OT of PSU/IU was utterly insane. I don’t even know what else to say, holy $hit.


I turned it off because I figured the game was over when Penn State took the lead with less than two minutes to go. ☹️
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 25, 2020, 05:22:41 PM
Graham Mertz tested positive. Hopefully it’s a false negative. Need them to bulldoze Nebraska.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on October 25, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Graham Mertz tested positive. Hopefully it’s a false negative. Need them to bulldoze Nebraska.

Maybe certsin groups in Wisconsin will start following scientific guidance
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 25, 2020, 07:05:05 PM
Maybe certsin groups in Wisconsin will start following scientific guidance

No chance. Their hero has brainwashed them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on October 26, 2020, 10:17:25 PM
Badgers backup QB also positive
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 27, 2020, 06:55:22 AM
Badgers backup QB also positive
Nebraska might have a chance!!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2020, 07:02:51 AM
Nebraska might have a chance!!!

Badgers should wildcat with Groshek.  They would probably run for 800 yards
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 27, 2020, 07:10:38 AM
Badgers should wildcat with Groshek.  They would probably run for 800 yards
I have no idea who that is but given Nebraska’s defense I might be able to go off for 100+
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 27, 2020, 07:30:22 AM
If neither Mertz nor Wolf can go, the QB job will likely fall to Danny Vanden Boom.  Old time Badger football fans from the early 80s would remember that name.  His dad played safety for the Badgers, was drafted into the NFL, but retired due to injuries without playing a game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 27, 2020, 11:59:59 AM
Mertz tests positive a second time. Out for 21 days.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/wisconsin-qb-graham-mertz-tests-positive-covid-19-a-second-time-after-breakout-start-will-be-out-for-21-days/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2020, 12:39:01 PM
Mertz tests positive a second time. Out for 21 days.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/wisconsin-qb-graham-mertz-tests-positive-covid-19-a-second-time-after-breakout-start-will-be-out-for-21-days/

Hope the after party victory was worth it.  You have to earn those wins over Illinois
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 27, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
Potrykus just tweeted that the game may not be played. Maybe due to no backup QB? I know games in other conferences were canceled due to too few players in certain 'position groups.'

https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1321183898601181185?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2020, 05:05:25 PM
Potrykus just tweeted that the game may not be played. Maybe due to no backup QB? I know games in other conferences were canceled due to too few players in certain 'position groups.'

https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1321183898601181185?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Those kids must get out there and entertain me and allow me to gamble!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 27, 2020, 05:30:54 PM
Those kids must get out there and entertain me and allow me to gamble!


Damn straight. One kid gets Covid, just tote him off and run another'n on.

If you've never heard this Andy Griffith football sketch, it's worth the 5 minutes....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNxLxTZHKM8
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on October 28, 2020, 08:50:58 AM
Potrykus just tweeted that the game may not be played. Maybe due to no backup QB? I know games in other conferences were canceled due to too few players in certain 'position groups.'

https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1321183898601181185?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

cancellation would be from too high of a positivity rate for the entire team
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on October 28, 2020, 10:30:14 AM
UW vs. Nebraska game has been cancelled.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 28, 2020, 10:34:59 AM
Other games have been rescheduled for later in season or end of season if teams can't field 53. That can be any form of COVID-19, injuries etc...one challenge is the later start to the season for some leagues vs others.

Every week seems to be do you have 53. If yee you play, if no, reschedule.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChuckyChip on October 28, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Other games have been rescheduled for later in season or end of season if teams can't field 53. That can be any form of COVID-19, injuries etc...one challenge is the later start to the season for some leagues vs others.

Every week seems to be do you have 53. If yee you play, if no, reschedule.

Because the BIG 10 started late, there are no bye weeks or room in the schedule to move games around, so I think the UW game is straight cancelled and not postponed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2020, 11:59:51 AM
Because the BIG 10 started late, there are no bye weeks or room in the schedule to move games around, so I think the UW game is straight cancelled and not postponed.

That is correct
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 28, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
Given that the B10 rule is that you have to sit for 21 days after testing positive, doesn't that mean the rodents' next three games are likely to be canceled? Or did they have a whole bunch of positives from earlier that didn't play against Illinois?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on October 29, 2020, 04:05:28 AM
12 Bucky players tested positive, including head coach Paul Chyrst.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 29, 2020, 10:13:28 AM
B1G said no to Nebraska to play UTC on Saturday.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30216947/sources-big-ten-nixes-nebraska-cornhuskers-replacement-game-vs-chattanooga-mocs
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2020, 05:34:35 PM
B1G said no to Nebraska to play UTC on Saturday.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30216947/sources-big-ten-nixes-nebraska-cornhuskers-replacement-game-vs-chattanooga-mocs

I have no sympathy for Nebraska.  They chased the Big Ten dollars.  The reality of college football is the majority of top notch recruits play and live in the south.  There are very good kids and top ranked kids in the rust belt every year but this isn’t 1975 anymore.  Kids ain’t leaving Texas to play for Nebraska anymore. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 29, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
I have no sympathy for Nebraska.  They chased the Big Ten dollars.  The reality of college football is the majority of top notch recruits play and live in the south.  There are very good kids and top ranked kids in the rust belt every year but this isn’t 1975 anymore.  Kids ain’t leaving Texas to play for Nebraska anymore.

Every college program is chasing the money.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 29, 2020, 06:32:14 PM
Given that the B10 rule is that you have to sit for 21 days after testing positive, doesn't that mean the rodents' next three games are likely to be canceled? Or did they have a whole bunch of positives from earlier that didn't play against Illinois?

The whole team will be tested, probably daily. If they have enough players negative (I think 53) to go next week they will. But, the have to go with their QB4 since 1 is injured and 2 and 3 have to sit 21 days.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 29, 2020, 07:32:48 PM
@MikeGarafolo: #Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence has tested positive for COVID-19, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The No. 1-ranked Tigers are slated to face #BostonCollege Saturday.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
@MikeGarafolo: #Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence has tested positive for COVID-19, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The No. 1-ranked Tigers are slated to face #BostonCollege Saturday.

Notre Dame next week
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on October 29, 2020, 07:51:58 PM
@MikeGarafolo: #Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence has tested positive for COVID-19, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The No. 1-ranked Tigers are slated to face #BostonCollege Saturday.

in the same way that Nick Saban had multiple negative tests before Alabama's game, he will be magically cured shortly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 29, 2020, 07:59:19 PM
in the same way that Nick Saban had multiple negative tests before Alabama's game, he will be magically cured shortly.


It probably depends on whether ACC rules are the same as they are in the SEC…but it would not surprise me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2020, 08:05:36 PM

It probably depends on whether ACC rules are the same as they are in the SEC…but it would not surprise me.

Dabo Swinney came out and said Lawrence is out this week and the QB gave the school the ok to announce his diagnosis.  Says he has mild symptoms, so this one looks legit
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 29, 2020, 08:18:35 PM
in the same way that Nick Saban had multiple negative tests before Alabama's game, he will be magically cured shortly.

So are you claiming that he faked his negative tests?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 29, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
Dabo Swinney came out and said Lawrence is out this week and the QB gave the school the ok to announce his diagnosis.  Says he has mild symptoms, so this one looks legit


Hope his symptoms stay mild.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 29, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
Sounds like Lawrence could be available against Notre Dame.

@AdamSchefter: Trevor Lawrence’s COVID test was taken Wednesday and that counts as day one in his 10-day countdown to be eligible to play next Saturday against Notre Dame, per source. It’s possible he had symptoms earlier, which could even push up his eligibility to play if he tests negative. https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1321978308234481664
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2020, 07:13:32 AM
Rumors swirling in Champaign that the Illini football team had a few positive tests yesterday after being clean all week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 30, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
Rumors swirling in Champaign that the Illini football team had a few positive tests yesterday after being clean all week.

I'm guessing the badgers had some positives infected players last weekend and still played.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 30, 2020, 10:43:52 AM
I have no sympathy for Nebraska.  They chased the Big Ten dollars.  The reality of college football is the majority of top notch recruits play and live in the south.  There are very good kids and top ranked kids in the rust belt every year but this isn’t 1975 anymore.  Kids ain’t leaving Texas to play for Nebraska anymore. 


I have a couple of Nebraska fans who were jazzed when they joined the Big Ten.  But now they think it's just a bad cultural fit, and if money weren't an issue, they should go back to the B12.

I also have a couple friends from Texas who think that the B12 is a bad fit for the University of Texas, and that many of the better high school players in Texas don't hold allegiance to UT and would rather play in the B10 or SEC. 

The grass isn't always greener.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2020, 11:26:11 AM

I have a couple of Nebraska fans who were jazzed when they joined the Big Ten.  But now they think it's just a bad cultural fit, and if money weren't an issue, they should go back to the B12.

I also have a couple friends from Texas who think that the B12 is a bad fit for the University of Texas, and that many of the better high school players in Texas don't hold allegiance to UT and would rather play in the B10 or SEC. 

The grass isn't always greener.

I will not be shocked if Texas is in the Big Ten someday
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on October 30, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
I will not be shocked if Texas is in the Big Ten someday

I would be. It's been allowed to make the Big 12 its personal fiefdom, with their own TV network and everything. And that's allowed them to bring in more revenue than any other NCAA athletic department, despite middling on-field results.
Can't see why they'd give that up to become just another school in the Big 10.

On the other hand, Nebraska returning to the Big 12 seems inevitable. Maybe they can pull a Nebraska-for-West Virginia swap.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 30, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
I would be. It's been allowed to make the Big 12 its personal fiefdom, with their own TV network and everything. And that's allowed them to bring in more revenue than any other NCAA athletic department, despite middling on-field results.
Can't see why they'd give that up to become just another school in the Big 10.

On the other hand, Nebraska returning to the Big 12 seems inevitable. Maybe they can pull a Nebraska-for-West Virginia swap.


Texas would likely make just as much in the B10.  If this is accurate, they only make a little more than A&M and Ohio State, which leads me to believe that much of their revenue isn't from media rights, but other sources.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-revenue-producers-USA-Today-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-149248012/#149248012_10

But my guess is they won't be joining the B10 anytime soon.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
I would be. It's been allowed to make the Big 12 its personal fiefdom, with their own TV network and everything. And that's allowed them to bring in more revenue than any other NCAA athletic department, despite middling on-field results.
Can't see why they'd give that up to become just another school in the Big 10.

On the other hand, Nebraska returning to the Big 12 seems inevitable. Maybe they can pull a Nebraska-for-West Virginia swap.

The Big Ten would never accept West Virginia as a member.  If two institutions were meant for one another, it’s Texas and the Big Ten.  Joking aside, the tires have been kicked on that possibility.  As mentioned elsewhere, the money is about the same and the Texas “footprint” would increase.  It’s all nonsensical to me but that’s how they think
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 30, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
I would be. It's been allowed to make the Big 12 its personal fiefdom, with their own TV network and everything. And that's allowed them to bring in more revenue than any other NCAA athletic department, despite middling on-field results.
Can't see why they'd give that up to become just another school in the Big 10.

On the other hand, Nebraska returning to the Big 12 seems inevitable. Maybe they can pull a Nebraska-for-West Virginia swap.

Texas' personal fiefdom is one of the reasons why Texas A&M and Mizzou left the Big 12.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 30, 2020, 12:57:50 PM

I have a couple of Nebraska fans who were jazzed when they joined the Big Ten.  But now they think it's just a bad cultural fit, and if money weren't an issue, they should go back to the B12.

I also have a couple friends from Texas who think that the B12 is a bad fit for the University of Texas, and that many of the better high school players in Texas don't hold allegiance to UT and would rather play in the B10 or SEC. 

The grass isn't always greener.

Nebraska would be a great fit if they didn't suck.  If they were winning B1G championships or even being competitive, their fans would be singing a different tune.  A lot of their fan base is delusional and thinks the days of Tom Osborne are returning.  They've been largely irrelevant for over 20 years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 30, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
Nebraska would be a great fit if they didn't suck.  If they were winning B1G championships or even being competitive, their fans would be singing a different tune.  A lot of their fan base is delusional and thinks the days of Tom Osborne are returning.  They've been largely irrelevant for over 20 years.


They suggest the reason they suck is that they no longer have a recruiting base to turn to.  That a lot of their more recent (admittedly non-Osbornian) success in the late 2010s was due to players from Texas.  Now they aren't landing those guys.

Honestly if Frost can't win there, I am not sure who can.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2020, 01:03:33 PM
Nebraska would be a great fit if they didn't suck.  If they were winning B1G championships or even being competitive, their fans would be singing a different tune.  A lot of their fan base is delusional and thinks the days of Tom Osborne are returning.  They've been largely irrelevant for over 20 years.

Those Osborne teams were fueled by rampant steroid use and questionable characters.  As part of his faith, he believed in given individuals second chances but some of those dudes were just bad people.  Some of the best teams I’ve ever seen but I doubt that stuff flies today
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 30, 2020, 01:06:34 PM
Those Osborne teams were fueled by rampant steroid use and questionable characters.  As part of his faith, he believed in given individuals second chances but some of those dudes were just bad people.  Some of the best teams I’ve ever seen but I doubt that stuff flies today

100%.  They were the Miami Cornhuskers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 30, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
Rumors swirling in Champaign that the Illini football team had a few positive tests yesterday after being clean all week.


Color me shocked....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2020, 09:57:19 AM
Badgers up to 22 positives amongst players and staff.  Game against Purdue next Saturday is in question
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 31, 2020, 10:06:34 AM
Badgers up to 22 positives amongst players and staff.  Game against Purdue next Saturday is in question


With several more tests since Thursday, you have to wonder if the positivity rate is still at a level that mandates resetting of the clock for a 7-day shutdown. If the shutdown resets to today (or even yesterday), the only way they could play against Purdue is with no practice...and a 4th-string QB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 31, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
Nick Saban passing out Halloween Candy:

https://twitter.com/JoeyMulinaro/status/1322530462686945280?s=19
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
Gonna be some virtual furniture burned virtually in East Lansing tonight.



Or, there is probably going to be some COVID spread.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Gonna be some virtual furniture burned virtually in East Lansing tonight.



Or, there is probably going to be some COVID spread.

Crazy.

So, when is Harbaugh finally outta Ann Arbor?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
He is now 1-6 at home against MSU and OSU, 29-0 against everyone else.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 31, 2020, 05:58:45 PM
Trevor Lawrence out next week vs ND:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30231054/clemson-tigers-quarterback-trevor-lawrence-miss-notre-dame-game-due-covid-19
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2020, 07:12:37 AM
Brandon Peters of Illinois missed yesterday’s game after a positive Covid test.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Trevor Lawrence out next week vs ND:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30231054/clemson-tigers-quarterback-trevor-lawrence-miss-notre-dame-game-due-covid-19

Bummer. I was looking forward to Clemson taking down ND.

On the other hand, it’s always fun watching ND lose by 194 points in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 01, 2020, 10:24:10 PM
Those Osborne teams were fueled by rampant steroid use and questionable characters.  As part of his faith, he believed in given individuals second chances but some of those dudes were just bad people.  Some of the best teams I’ve ever seen but I doubt that stuff flies today

Lawrence Phillips. Suspended 6 games but reinstated after dragging his GF down the stairs by her hair. Not his first dance either.

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/sports/1995-lawrence-phillips-thrown-off-nebraska-football-team/article_4ec30e88-6c8b-11e5-bb00-f3ee07ad7c4c.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2020, 08:59:25 AM
He is now 1-6 at home against MSU and OSU, 29-0 against everyone else.

He should coach for Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 02, 2020, 09:37:03 AM

100%.  They were the Miami Cornhuskers.



I always found the media portrayals of Miami and Nebraska fascinating.

Miami recruited players with problematic backgrounds, but never denied or played down their 'outlaw' status. In fact they wore it as a badge of honor. Not to say they didn't cross additional lines in recruiting and such - they certainly did - but at least they never seriously tried to project a choirboy image.

Nebraska recruited similar players, but took the opposite approach. When the teams played, the media portrayed it almost like they portrayed the Miami-ND 'Catholics vs Convicts' hype. And yet Osborne often recruited the same types of players as Miami.

The difference was likely in their assessment of what would appeal to the fanbases. The 'bad' image wouldn't play nearly as well in Nebraska as it did down in Miami.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 03, 2020, 10:57:43 AM
Wisconsin v Purdue football game is cancelled. If Wisconsin has one more game cancelled, it will not be eligible for Big Ten Conference Title game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on November 03, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30250637/wisconsin-purdue-due-coronavirus-cases
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 03, 2020, 01:22:22 PM
Wisconsin v Purdue football game is cancelled. If Wisconsin has one more game cancelled, it will not be eligible for Big Ten Conference Title game.


Not surprised. I am more surprised that it took this long for a major team to be in danger of losing such a large part of its season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 03, 2020, 01:55:07 PM

Not surprised. I am more surprised that it took this long for a major team to be in danger of losing such a large part of its season.

I saw a few people discuss that the format for qualifying for the Big Ten Title Game could change during the season. But I am not sure of its potential possibility. We'll see.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 03, 2020, 02:53:00 PM
I saw a few people discuss that the format for qualifying for the Big Ten Title Game could change during the season. But I am not sure of its potential possibility. We'll see.

I think you are referring to this:

A team must play at least six games to be considered for participation in the championship game unless the average number of conference games played by all teams falls below six.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 03, 2020, 03:19:03 PM
I saw a few people discuss that the format for qualifying for the Big Ten Title Game could change during the season. But I am not sure of its potential possibility. We'll see.

maybe they'll do what MLS is doing and go to a PPG system.  ;D ;D

No sympathy for the BIG here. Live with your decision.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
I would love to see Emperor Barry blow a gasket as an undefeated UW team is ineligible for the B14 championship game
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 06, 2020, 04:10:05 PM
Rough start for the Pac 12. Just heading into week one, and two of their six games have been canceled.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Is Harbaugh done?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 07, 2020, 12:56:22 PM
Utah State has fired Gary Anderson
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
Utah State has fired Gary Anderson

Left Madison for Oregon State, now fired at Utah State? Quick fall.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2020, 02:15:27 PM
I was 100% wrong about Herm Edwards at Arizona State. He’s getting it done.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 07, 2020, 02:21:55 PM
Liberty and Va Tech going to OT.

Never thought I'd write that....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 07, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
I stand corrected. ESPN.com had it at 35-35 end of regulation...then I discovered Liberty hit a 51-yard FG with 0:01 left.

Wow...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2020, 02:28:46 PM
I stand corrected. ESPN.com had it at 35-35 end of regulation...then I discovered Liberty hit a 51-yard FG with 0:01 left.

Wow...

After Va Tech blocked a FG and returned it for a TD...

...but Tech called a TO to ice the kicker.

Hugh Freese will return to a P5 program next year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 07, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
After Va Tech blocked a FG and returned it for a TD...

...but Tech called a TO to ice the kicker.

Hugh Freese will return to a P5 program next year.


Agreed.

And Meeechigan may be in the market....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
I was 100% wrong about Herm Edwards at Arizona State. He’s getting it done.

Oops.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on November 07, 2020, 02:58:41 PM
IU running over big ten perennial powers
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 07, 2020, 03:02:55 PM
Oops.

Pac 12 After Breakfast:

Someone needs to to tell Herm Edwards that you “Play to Win the Game.”

Played pretty good D all game. Two soft zone drives and an onside kick. Ouch.

(But he’s been doing better than some thought he would there)

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2020, 03:28:45 PM
Har-baugh-rrowed time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 07, 2020, 03:48:33 PM
Only on the third week, but the whole Big ?? seems upside down, except tOSU.

Penn State: #7 in both preseason polls. Currently 0-2 and down big at home against Maryland.

Michigan: #15/16 in preseason polls. Currently 1-2 after being schooled by Indiana.

Indiana: got a handful of preseason votes. Currently 3-0 with wins over PSU and UM.

Northwestern: got 1 preseason vote from writers, 0 from coaches. Currently 3-0 (but not as tested as IU).

Oops....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2020, 05:48:13 PM
Har-baugh-rrowed time.

He’s got a very green team.  His secondary is slow.  Didn’t recruit any speed and when you play man-to-man exclusively with slow CBs, good luck
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2020, 06:21:02 PM
It’s been a great day. Nothing would top it off better than a backup quarterback smoking Notre Dame.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 07, 2020, 06:28:03 PM
Yes, the weather was great today.  ;)

I wouldn't mind seeing an upset. Get's a bit boring of Clemson and Alabama.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2020, 09:43:29 PM
This Clemson team is stacked.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2020, 10:42:22 PM
This Clemson team is stacked.

Although their depleted D got gassed.

Looks like they will have yet another #1 pick at QB though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 07, 2020, 10:48:16 PM
Great win for the Irish. Happy for Brian Kelly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
Odds Notre Dame's next game is cancelled for COVID?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2020, 10:50:19 PM
For all the talk about how long it takes to play the last couple minutes of a basketball game ... it took FOREVER to play the last couple mins and OT of this game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2020, 11:07:32 PM
Great win for the Irish. Happy for Brian Kelly.

I’d be fine with Brian Kelly never winning another football game in his life.

But I’d laugh if his team lost 72-3 to Alabama in the CFP semis again.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 07, 2020, 11:28:35 PM
After Va Tech blocked a FG and returned it for a TD...

...but Tech called a TO to ice the kicker.

Hugh Freese will return to a P5 program next year.

Freeze is damaged goods. A cheater, sleaze, and a liar.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/07/21/freeze-brought-down-hubris-vengeance-and-sex/498351001/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on November 08, 2020, 06:16:22 AM
Freeze is damaged goods. A cheater, sleaze, and a liar.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/07/21/freeze-brought-down-hubris-vengeance-and-sex/498351001/

Sounds like he will have a lot in common with other P5 coaches.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2020, 06:33:28 AM
Freeze is damaged goods. A cheater, sleaze, and a liar.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/07/21/freeze-brought-down-hubris-vengeance-and-sex/498351001/


He's redeemed himself at Liberty.  Tennessee fans would take him in a second.

EDIT:  My guess is he's South Carolina's coach by early January.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 08, 2020, 06:58:24 AM
Only on the third week, but the whole Big ?? seems upside down, except tOSU.

Penn State: #7 in both preseason polls. Currently 0-2 and down big at home against Maryland.

Michigan: #15/16 in preseason polls. Currently 1-2 after being schooled by Indiana.

Indiana: got a handful of preseason votes. Currently 3-0 with wins over PSU and UM.

Northwestern: got 1 preseason vote from writers, 0 from coaches. Currently 3-0 (but not as tested as IU).

Oops....
0-2 Nebraska giving us a sense of normalcy though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 08, 2020, 07:28:38 AM
With regards to the game itself, it was a good game. The difference this time for Notre Dame was the ability to match physicality at the line of scrimmage and skill positions on both sides of the ball (and athleticism). Clemson has elite speed skill players. Kyren Williams is a finisher, and they needed a good game from Ian Book and they got it. Some of Uiagalelei's throws were big time in his situation.

That easily could have been a two TD dub for ND. A few mistakes, a bit too conservative coaching, combined with good half time Clemson adjustments especially with run defense, and Clemson almost comes back to take it.

The officiating left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2020, 07:30:48 AM
That game was an advertisement for why the NFL review system is better. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2020, 08:08:34 AM
For all the talk about how long it takes to play the last couple minutes of a basketball game ... it took FOREVER to play the last couple mins and OT of this game.

College football games are too long because of TV mostly, but the reviews don’t help.  Attending a game is a four commitment at a minimum
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2020, 08:10:10 AM
Freeze is damaged goods. A cheater, sleaze, and a liar.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/07/21/freeze-brought-down-hubris-vengeance-and-sex/498351001/

This is college football.  Someone will make enough excuses for him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 08, 2020, 09:23:06 AM
I find it interesting that we are discussing whether the coach at Falwell U is 'too dirty' to coach in the ACC or SEC.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 08, 2020, 11:45:13 AM
I find it interesting that we are discussing whether the coach at Falwell U is 'too dirty' to coach in the ACC or SEC.

Look at who his AD is. But yeah, he’ll be in the SEC next year. Royce Waltman’s statement will never be untrue:

http://blogs.pjstar.com/wessler/2007/03/02/royce-waltman-fired-now-that-was-how-to-do-a-news-conference/

“I can’t get a head coaching job. … If you get fired for cheating, you can get hired right back again. If you get fired for losing, it’s like you’ve got leprosy, so young coaches need to bear that in mind. Cheating and not graduating players will not get you in trouble, but that damn losing.

 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on November 08, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
Is Harbaugh done?

I hope not ... I hate Michigan
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 08, 2020, 02:14:30 PM
Wouldn't it be great if the super spreader event in South Bend last night after the game rendered the team unable to play any more games this season due to covid?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 08, 2020, 02:28:58 PM
Wouldn't it be great if the super spreader event in South Bend last night after the game rendered the team unable to play any more games this season due to covid?

I was just staring at that in disbelief. Its not out of the question this happens.  I couldn't believe that the admin didn't take steps to prevent that yesterday.

And ND is lucky that they were playing a coach who has already staked out a position of not being particularly worried about covid.  Because if my players' seasons were being put in danger by all those kids pouring out of the stands before my team had a chance to leave the field, I would have been apoplectic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2020, 02:44:04 PM
Look at who his AD is. But yeah, he’ll be in the SEC next year. Royce Waltman’s statement will never be untrue:

http://blogs.pjstar.com/wessler/2007/03/02/royce-waltman-fired-now-that-was-how-to-do-a-news-conference/

“I can’t get a head coaching job. … If you get fired for cheating, you can get hired right back again. If you get fired for losing, it’s like you’ve got leprosy, so young coaches need to bear that in mind. Cheating and not graduating players will not get you in trouble, but that damn losing.

 

That’s because many fans don’t really care all that much about NCAA rules.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 08, 2020, 05:16:45 PM
That’s because many fans don’t really care all that much about NCAA rules.

I was thinking more about AD’s and college presidents. The ones making the decisions
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2020, 06:03:30 PM
I was thinking more about AD’s and college presidents. The ones making the decisions

How many fans of South Carolina would be upset if they dump Muschamp for Freeze because he cheated at Ole Miss?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2020, 06:15:28 PM
How many fans of South Carolina would be upset if they dump Muschamp for Freeze because he cheated at Ole Miss?

Very few
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
How many fans of South Carolina would be upset if they dump Muschamp for Freeze because he cheated at Ole Miss?

Approximately zero if he does what he does. He’s a skeevy dude, but he’s a fantastic football coach who has won everywhere he’s ever been. He’d be great there and they’d revere him
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on November 09, 2020, 01:58:34 AM
I was just staring at that in disbelief. Its not out of the question this happens.  I couldn't believe that the admin didn't take steps to prevent that yesterday.

And ND is lucky that they were playing a coach who has already staked out a position of not being particularly worried about covid.  Because if my players' seasons were being put in danger by all those kids pouring out of the stands before my team had a chance to leave the field, I would have been apoplectic.

Did you think the same thing about the Biden celebrations earlier that day?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 09, 2020, 07:09:01 AM
Do as I say, not as I do.

Perhaps it would have been wise to take personal responsibility first, at the beginning of this letter before speaking to students:

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 09, 2020, 07:20:24 AM
Do as I say, not as I do.

Perhaps it would have been wise to take personal responsibility first, at the beginning of this letter before speaking to students:

Football wins are more important than the lives of (non athlete) students there. They’ve shown it on more than one occasion.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2020, 07:37:22 AM
I really don't think everyone rushing the field was that big of a deal Covid wise.  I think what those students did afterwards could be a problem.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 09, 2020, 08:45:02 AM
Did you think the same thing about the Biden celebrations earlier that day?

Did I think many of those celebrations were unwise? Hell yeah I did. But the people that partook in those made that choice independently.

But that is very different from a visiting team putting their season and their safety in the hands of the home team's administration and then having that administration permit thousands of unauthorized students to rush the field two days after a spike warning.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on November 09, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
nope, was just asking ... and I cannot disagree with your comments.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 09, 2020, 10:49:32 AM
god I'm a dick. I'm sorry.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on November 09, 2020, 10:17:15 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30286316/alabama-lsu-college-football-game-jeopardy-tigers-covid-19-tests

LSU's showdown against Alabama on Saturday is in jeopardy as the Tigers deal with multiple players in quarantine as a result of COVID-19 testing.

Multiple players, including starters, will be unavailable, coach Ed Orgeron said on Monday. Some have tested positive, while the majority are out as a result of contact tracing.

Testing has left the program thin at quarterback, and the number of quarantined players includes starters on offense, defense and special teams, a source told ESPN.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 09, 2020, 10:25:46 PM
And the Auburn-Mississippi State game has been canceled because of an outbreak at MSU.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 10, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30286316/alabama-lsu-college-football-game-jeopardy-tigers-covid-19-tests

LSU's showdown against Alabama on Saturday is in jeopardy as the Tigers deal with multiple players in quarantine as a result of COVID-19 testing.

Multiple players, including starters, will be unavailable, coach Ed Orgeron said on Monday. Some have tested positive, while the majority are out as a result of contact tracing.

Testing has left the program thin at quarterback, and the number of quarantined players includes starters on offense, defense and special teams, a source told ESPN.


Just canceled.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-vs-lsu-game-postponed-as-tigers-battle-through-covid-19-outbreak-within-program/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 11, 2020, 12:18:08 PM
Nick Saban when asked about players going home on the weekend:

"Everyone trusts their family. I trust my family. But no one knows where Uncle Tommy has been."

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 11, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Nick Saban when asked about players going home on the weekend:

"Everyone trusts their family. I trust my family. But no one knows where Uncle Tommy has been."

Saban is spot on, and highlights how gatherings with 'trusted' friends or family members can become superspreader events. It sucks, but the best strategies in this pandemic remain (1) wearing a mask every time you're in a public place, and (2) keeping your 'trusted' circle small.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2020, 06:59:03 PM
In addition to a slew of SEC games being cancelled this weekend, Ohio State and Maryland has been cancelled as well due to the Terps dealing with an outbreak
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 13, 2020, 12:24:46 PM
ASU-Cal just cancelled due to a bunch of positives at ASU. Herm Edwards is among those testing positive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 13, 2020, 12:42:00 PM
No word yet on whether Herm still believes you have to play to win the game
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
ASU-Cal just cancelled due to a bunch of positives at ASU. Herm Edwards is among those testing positive.

Pac12 rushes to schedule Cal v. UCLA for Sunday after their individual games were cancelled.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 13, 2020, 06:40:06 PM
Pac12 rushes to schedule Cal v. UCLA for Sunday after their individual games were cancelled.
Great move. Games at 11am on FS1.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 13, 2020, 06:49:17 PM
Great move. Games at 11am on FS1.

Ah.  I can watch that for an hour before the Packers kick off.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 14, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
I’ve been watching Wisconsin football for almost 50 years, and I have never seen them dominate Michigan physically like this. Harbaugh is going to manage his way back to the NFL after this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2020, 12:08:18 AM
Oregon appears to be the Pac 12s lone hope. And they are still figuring things out a bit.

Shough definitely has a lot of potential as a college QB
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2020, 02:57:18 PM
Harbaugh is going to manage his way back to the NFL after this year.

Promotion due to incompetence. Gotta love it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 15, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Promotion due to incompetence. Gotta love it.

Harbaugh to the Lions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 15, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
Harbaugh to the Lions.

So much for ‘promotion’…
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 15, 2020, 04:46:22 PM
Promotion due to incompetence. Gotta love it.

It's worked out pretty good for Kingsbury. Get fired at Texas Tech, then land a NFL job.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 15, 2020, 06:21:10 PM
South Carolina has parted ways with head coach Will Muschamp after 4.5 seasons.

Muschamp is getting combined $21 buyouts from two SEC schools.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 15, 2020, 10:50:18 PM
Some people are just better suited to be coordinators. He’s a very good DC, but demonstrably crap at running a program. He may get a job at a Sun Belt/Mountain West caliber school, but he’s better off getting close to 7 figures being a DC at a P5 program
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 16, 2020, 05:39:36 AM

Muschamp is getting combined $21 buyouts from two SEC schools.
His agent should be fired if his buyout from 2 schools is only $21
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 16, 2020, 08:44:00 AM
His agent should be fired if his buyout from 2 schools is only $21



Especially since the agent will take $2.10 off the top....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 16, 2020, 08:47:46 AM
His agent should be fired if his buyout from 2 schools is only $21

In this example, we are talking buyout with regards to fired without cause. That type of buyout. Leaving on your own for elsewhere is a different type of buyout to be looked at separately. Let's take a look.

Many would say that's a lot of $ and good if you can get it based on Muschamp's results. He had one season of two games or more over .500 at each school.

Dan Mullen has had a $12 million buyout at Florida. Kirby Smart's at Georgia, started in a similar range and is down to $2 million. Orgeron's buyout began at $12 million, is down to $4 plus million now and is soon to be $1 million.

There are other more extreme examples of huge buyouts.

 More successful coaches, don't really have one of course. Saban does not have one. Dabo's is $4 million but soon to be $1 million.

This is a list of salaries and buyouts of a coach left on his own to go elsewhere:

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 16, 2020, 09:31:29 AM
In this example, we are talking buyout with regards to fired without cause. That type of buyout. Leaving on your own for elsewhere is a different type of buyout to be looked at separately. Let's take a look.

Many would say that's a lot of $ and good if you can get it based on Muschamp's results. He had one season of two games or more over .500 at each school.

Dan Mullen has had a $12 million buyout at Florida. Kirby Smart's at Georgia, started in a similar range and is down to $2 million. Orgeron's buyout began at $12 million, is down to $4 plus million now and is soon to be $1 million.

There are other more extreme examples of huge buyouts.

 More successful coaches, don't really have one of course. Saban does not have one. Dabo's is $4 million but soon to be $1 million.

This is a list of salaries and buyouts of a coach left on his own to go elsewhere:

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/


I think you missed lawdog's joke.

$21 vs $21 million....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 16, 2020, 01:31:08 PM
Northwestern opens +8 against Wisconsin. Bet on the Cats. Not even a joke, no fans allowed benefits Northwestern more than any other team in FBS.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 16, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
Northwestern opens +8 against Wisconsin. Bet on the Cats. Not even a joke, no fans allowed benefits Northwestern more than any other team in FBS.

I'd bet on UW, sadly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 16, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Northwestern opens +8 against Wisconsin. Bet on the Cats. Not even a joke, no fans allowed benefits Northwestern more than any other team in FBS.


Probably helps Vandy too. During my years there, they would often have more fans from visiting teams than Vanderbilt. I was at a Vandy-UT game once that might just as well have been at Neyland Stadium.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 16, 2020, 02:38:36 PM

I think you missed lawdog's joke.


That happens a lot, with me.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2020, 03:19:14 PM
This kinda blows my mind. Ed Orgeron listed as a coach whose seat is 'heating up'...just months after a National Championship. Went from a 0 ('untouchable') preseason to a 3 ('pressure mounting') today.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2020-hot-seat-rankings-jim-harbaugh-ed-orgeron-among-college-football-coaches-heating-up/

And I thought the Nojos were impatient....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 18, 2020, 08:53:40 PM
I still don't think Ed Orgeron is a good coach. He is one heck of a recruiter. Being on a hot seat is a joke. First move would be, fire Bo Pelini as defense coordinator.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 18, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
I still don't think Ed Orgeron is a good coach. He is one heck of a recruiter. Being on a hot seat is a joke. First move would be, fire Bo Pelini as defense coordinator.

I think he’s a good college coach when he has a good staff. He’s a fantastic recruiter, a great motivator, and good steward of the program. Losing both Dave Aranda and Joe Brady in an offseason hurt.

But him having his job in jeopardy is insanity, especially in this weird season. If he wins 8 games a normal year, he’s bulletproof for another 3-4 years
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2020, 07:08:59 AM
As a college football fan, I LOVE Saturdays like today

11:00 - Indiana (9) at Ohio State (3)
2:30 - Wisconsin (10) at Northwestern (19)
6:30 - Oklahoma State (14) at Oklahoma (18)

And if I'm not too tired....

9:30 - USC (20) at Utah could be a sneaky good game.

I'm going to enjoy it while I can, because I have no idea how long it can go on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 21, 2020, 07:14:09 AM
That is the main focus I'm looking at! The next tier for flipping around.
App State at #16 Coastal Carolina 1am ESPN2
San Diego State at Nevada, 2:30 CBS
#7 Cincinnati at UCF, 2:30 ESPN
Kansas State at #17 Iowa State, 3:00 FOX
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2020, 07:58:59 AM
Florida State v. Clemson postponed three hours before kickoff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2020, 08:39:15 AM
Florida State v. Clemson postponed three hours before kickoff.

Cancel the season.  It’s a farce at this point. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 21, 2020, 08:54:19 AM
Florida State v. Clemson postponed three hours before kickoff.


If my count (using CBSSports.com's scoreboard) is correct, that's 15 games postponed or cancelled this week alone.

And the Covid numbers nationwide continue to climb....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
Cancel the season.  It’s a farce at this point. 

Please don’t.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
Holy cow these refs in the Wisconsin game have been brutal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2020, 04:18:22 PM
Holy cow these refs in the Wisconsin game have been brutal.

Turning the ball over way too much.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2020, 04:20:51 PM
This one would definitely upset the apple cart.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2020, 06:03:18 PM
This one would definitely upset the apple cart.

Jerry Seinfeld saying “that’s a shame” gif
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 21, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
Told y’all 8-)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 21, 2020, 06:24:52 PM
Penn State winless and James Franklin has a $38.5 million buyout.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2020, 06:29:31 PM
Told y’all 8-)

Such a good coach. Really has done wonders with that program.

And having a decent QB helps.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 21, 2020, 07:47:10 PM
Rutgers up on Michigan 14-0.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 21, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
Cancel the season.  It’s a farce at this point.

FSU backed out 3 hours before kickoff with no new information and also turned down offers by Clemson to play the game tomorrow or Monday. FSU is terrible and used this as an excuse to not get obliterated by 40+ by Clemson which would hurt recruiting. Don’t make it more than it was, a spineless move by FSU
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 21, 2020, 10:12:40 PM
Thoughts and prayers for Liberty.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 22, 2020, 10:51:31 AM
Thoughts and prayers for Liberty.

Love Cinderella stories but it was nice to see this one come to an end.

Coastal Carolina lives on!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 22, 2020, 02:39:10 PM
Love Cinderella stories but it was nice to see this one come to an end.

Coastal Carolina lives on!


The rematch between Coastal Carolina and Louisiana in the Sun Belt Championship should be a great game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2020, 05:11:45 PM
Goophers-Bagders cancelled
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 24, 2020, 05:24:34 PM
Goophers-Bagders cancelled


So Badgers can't even qualify for the B10 Championship Game now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2020, 05:26:45 PM

So Badgers can't even qualify for the B10 Championship Game now.

If enough other games get cancelled, it’s possible they still can.  It’s a fluid situation
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 24, 2020, 06:17:09 PM
If enough other games get cancelled, it’s possible they still can.  It’s a fluid situation


Yes, but it would take a lot of cancellations. The current rule says they'll only change the requirement if "the average number of conference games played by all conference teams falls below 6."

Currently, the average number of games played is 4.4, with 3 scheduled games left. For the average to end below 6, teams would have to play 1.5 for fewer additional games each. In other words, at least half of the remaining games would have to be cancelled for the Badgers to become eligible.

Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it...and I have been a skeptic on games getting played.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2020, 07:21:20 PM

Yes, but it would take a lot of cancellations. The current rule says they'll only change the requirement if "the average number of conference games played by all conference teams falls below 6."

Currently, the average number of games played is 4.4, with 3 scheduled games left. For the average to end below 6, teams would have to play 1.5 for fewer additional games each. In other words, at least half of the remaining games would have to be cancelled for the Badgers to become eligible.

Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it...and I have been a skeptic on games getting played.

Never underestimate the thumb Barry can put on the scale
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 24, 2020, 07:33:36 PM
Never underestimate the thumb Barry can put on the scale


Hopefully Northwestern will keep on winning, so it won’t matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 24, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
BYU got screwed in the CFP rankings tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 24, 2020, 08:22:02 PM
BYU got screwed in the CFP rankings tonight.


After getting screwed by COVID.

I didn’t expect them to get anywhere near the top four given their schedule, but it really was surprising to see them behind a bunch of two-loss teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 24, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
BYU got screwed in the CFP rankings tonight.

The rankings are crap for a number of reasons. But BYU isn’t good enough to be in the spots that matter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 24, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
LOL at the big 12 rankings.

That league is pure garbage and 2 loss ISU is 13???? They lost to a damn buy game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2020, 10:28:14 PM
The rankings are crap for a number of reasons. But BYU isn’t good enough to be in the spots that matter.

If by the top 4, I agree. But they easily should be above Iowa State, Oklahoma, Miami, Indiana, and Georgia.

Their schedule has been a bit soft but they’ve demolished anyone and everyone with ease. If not for the cancellations, they would have murdered Michigan St and Minneosta easily. Their PAC-12 games would have been beat downs too.  Would love to see them play UW, but I can’t argue with why they turned it down
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2020, 05:58:04 AM
If by the top 4, I agree. But they easily should be above Iowa State, Oklahoma, Miami, Indiana, and Georgia.

Their schedule has been a bit soft but they’ve demolished anyone and everyone with ease. If not for the cancellations, they would have murdered Michigan St and Minneosta easily. Their PAC-12 games would have been beat downs too.  Would love to see them play UW, but I can’t argue with why they turned it down


I wouldn't put BYU above those four. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 08:47:50 AM
The team I struggle with relative to BYU is Cincinnati.

They have not played or beaten a single ranked team so far, and according to various sites I visited, their SOS is in the same general range as BYU's (always in the 60s for both - UC is a few spots higher in some; a few spots lower in others). So how does UC get to #7 (ahead of UGa, OU and ISU), while BYU is only #14?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 25, 2020, 09:46:25 AM
The team I struggle with relative to BYU is Cincinnati.

They have not played or beaten a single ranked team so far, and according to various sites I visited, their SOS is in the same general range as BYU's (always in the 60s for both - UC is a few spots higher in some; a few spots lower in others). So how does UC get to #7 (ahead of UGa, OU and ISU), while BYU is only #14?

1) Pre-season rankings, fair or unfair favored UC. They started at 13 and the few others were not at that level. So essentially in polls they moved from 13 to 7 and have been stuck at 7 for some time, several weeks. Memphis while solid is not as good as recent years, and Houston is down.

2) Cincinnati has two wins over teams that were ranked at the time they played. Army and SMU. Both were decisive. BYU's early season game v Army was postponed. Both had lopsided wins over Houston but Houston is down this year. UC also has a win over Memphis. Their only less than two TD game is UCF this past weekend, who again, is a solid winning record team. BYU's big win this year so far is a lopsided one over then ranked Boise St. BYU has also had two games canceled overall this far. Some believe BYU needs to play 1 or 2 games vs a little bit better teams to help them move up.

It's more about opportunity instead of ability. Being an Independent has been a challenge for them. Their original schedule was good. But Pandemic scheduling has been mostly league scheduling which hurt them. Look at Oregon, some of those late starting West Coast schools are not going to be in the mix because of their late start this year. BYU was ready to go which helped them, but league scheduling changed thier schedule and the perception of their schedule is not as strong.

3) Free Coastal Carolina.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
BYU should have taken the game v. Washington.  Like it or not, the perception of a weak schedule, then ducking a P5 match up isn't great for them.  Not that it would get them in the top 4, but a decisive win there and they would move up in people's minds.

This is a bad year to be a Group of 5 conference member (or an independent like BYU).  The SOS figures are insanely difficult to figure out due to the lack of non conference games, and the Committee is going to lean to the P5. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Saban has the coco. For real this time. Won't coach the Iron Bowl.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 25, 2020, 10:24:43 AM
BYU should have taken the game v. Washington.  Like it or not, the perception of a weak schedule, then ducking a P5 match up isn't great for them.  Not that it would get them in the top 4, but a decisive win there and they would move up in people's minds.

This is a bad year to be a Group of 5 conference member (or an independent like BYU).  The SOS figures are insanely difficult to figure out due to the lack of non conference games, and the Committee is going to lean to the P5.

BYU agreed to take the game at Washington, if the game was guaranteed. Pac 12 said no.

https://www.si.com/college/byu/news/why-byu-isnt-ducking-at-the-opportunity-to-play-washington

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2020/11/22/byu-washington-football/

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2020, 10:51:23 AM
If you’re not in the Power 5, you ain’t making the playoff
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on November 25, 2020, 11:52:08 AM
Let's face it, most of the Power 5 ain't going to make it either.

The National Championship is a tournament between Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and a to-be-slaughtered innocent lamb. Yes, I know, there are years when one of the Big Three doesn't make it but by-and-large, these guys always will be players for this group.

Realistically, there are seven teams that consistently vie for four slots. They are:

Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Georgia
Florida
LSU (though they really suck this year, but that won't last)
Notre Dame (the slaughtered lamb of the group)

There are seven more that might score a hit once in a great while and become slaughtered lambs
Texas A&M
Texas
Miami
Florida State (but they are really awful and may soon fall out of this group)
Oklahoma
USC
Oregon

Everybody else is just warmups and Bowl material. Yes, Cincinnati, UCF (despite your whining), Wisconsin, Michigan, Tennessee, Indiana, Washington and Stanford -- you ARE DEFINITELY NOT in either group of 7.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
The likely ND-Clemson ACC title game will serve as an elimination game for the playoffs.

If Clemson wins, they are obviously in. If Clemson loses, they will be out.

If ND wins, they are obviously in. If ND loses (and that's their only loss), they probably will be out but maybe they could still sneak in depending on what else happens.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on November 25, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
The likely ND-Clemson ACC title game will serve as an elimination game for the playoffs.

If Clemson wins, they are obviously in. If Clemson loses, they will be out.

If ND wins, they are obviously in. If ND loses (and that's their only loss), they probably will be out but maybe they could still sneak in depending on what else happens.

A 1 loss ND will be in the playoff. Especially if that loss is Clemson
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2020, 12:38:53 PM
A 1 loss ND will be in the playoff. Especially if that loss is Clemson

Depends. What if Florida wins out including v Alabama in the SEC title game?  Both a one loss Florida and Alabama get in over ND.

The team that can’t slip up is Ohio State.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 25, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Depends. What if Florida wins out including v Alabama in the SEC title game?  Both a one loss Florida and Alabama get in over ND.

The team that can’t slip up is Ohio State.

Northwestern is really the team that can screw everything up. If they run the table and beat OSU, do they get leapfrogged by some of the one win teams?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2020, 12:53:29 PM
Northwestern is really the team that can screw everything up. If they run the table and beat OSU, do they get leapfrogged by some of the one win teams?

No. Wins over tOSU and Wisconsin-Madison will keep that from happening.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on November 25, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
Northwestern is really the team that can screw everything up. If they run the table and beat OSU, do they get leapfrogged by some of the one win teams?

Do you believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus too? How about the Easter Bunny?

If bettors were serious, they would make tOSU about -30 against Northwestern, assuming they play each other.

Northwestern is to the college football playoffs what a Dutch boy’s finger in a dike is to a tsunami.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
Vanderbilt has a women's soccer player practicing with the football team at placekicker, due to Covid-related absences on special teams. If she gets in the game Saturday against Mizzou, she would be the first female to see playing action in a P5 game.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30386218/vanderbilt-soccer-sarah-fuller-option-kick-football-team-coach-says

I'd love to see her get a shot, and a couple of FGs or PATs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
Do you believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus too? How about the Easter Bunny?

If bettors were serious, they would make tOSU about -30 against Northwestern, assuming they play each other.

Northwestern is to the college football playoffs what a Dutch boy’s finger in a dike is to a tsunami.

Undefeated Northwestern team makes the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2020, 01:05:29 PM
No. Wins over tOSU and Wisconsin-Madison will keep that from happening.

-30?  Ohio State couldn't even beat Penn State or Rutgers by 30.  Indiana had the ball with a chance to tie down the stretch.  I'd expect Ohio State would be about a two touchdown favorite against Northwestern.  And I wouldn't touch it on either side.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 25, 2020, 01:06:04 PM
Do you believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus too? How about the Easter Bunny?

If bettors were serious, they would make tOSU about -30 against Northwestern, assuming they play each other.

Northwestern is to the college football playoffs what a Dutch boy’s finger in a dike is to a tsunami.

A much worse Northwestern team lost to a much better Ohio state team by 21 in 2018.

Offense is meh, but that defense is a legitimate top-5 defense in the country.

That being said, NU could very well lay an egg against Michigan St.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
-30?  Ohio State couldn't even beat Penn State or Rutgers by 30.  Indiana had the ball with a chance to tie down the stretch.  I'd expect Ohio State would be about a two touchdown favorite against Northwestern.  And I wouldn't touch it on either side.


Agreed. tOSU's only 30+ win was against a Nebraska team that a bunch of Scoopers could beat. The Spuds will definitely be favored in the B10 Championship Game, but the spread won't be anywhere near 30.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
Do you believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus too? How about the Easter Bunny?

If bettors were serious, they would make tOSU about -30 against Northwestern, assuming they play each other.

Northwestern is to the college football playoffs what a Dutch boy’s finger in a dike is to a tsunami.

An arguably better tOSU played an inarguably worse NU in the 2018 Big 10 championship and were -14.
- 30 would be like free money.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 25, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
Vanderbilt has a women's soccer player practicing with the football team at placekicker, due to Covid-related absences on special teams. If she gets in the game Saturday against Mizzou, she would be the first female to see playing action in a P5 game.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30386218/vanderbilt-soccer-sarah-fuller-option-kick-football-team-coach-says

I'd love to see her get a shot, and a couple of FGs or PATs.

It's interesting. (I follow Women's College Soccer). Vandy graduated two very good Keepers last year who shared playing time. As an incoming Senior, Fuller played sparingly in her soccer career at Vandy. She wasn't the starting keeper this year, but she took the spot after a few games in which the starting keeper, a Sophomore, struggled.

Initially, Fuller also struggled quite a bit, but she was improved a bit, and she was solid in the SEC Tourney, which Vandy won. (Mostly due to elite play between the 18's,.increased scoring, and limiting chances).

I'm not sure if she'll get a chance in the football game. I'm also not sure how well she'd do. It would be a good story if she had a chance and succeeded. I'm not surprised Derek Mason would possibly be the one to give her a chance. He's one of the better people in the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on November 25, 2020, 02:36:11 PM
I'm not surprised Derek Mason would possibly be the one to give her a chance. He's one of the better people in the game.

And, he's got a team that only players wearing Orange and White truly fear.

Mr. Mason may be a goner at the end of the year. In the less-than-august annals of Vandy football, this year's team stacks up as one of the worst. Challenged only by last year's team and any team in the Jack Green/Bill Pace era.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2020, 02:40:57 PM
A 1 loss ND will be in the playoff. Especially if that loss is Clemson

Depends. What if Florida wins out including v Alabama in the SEC title game?  Both a one loss Florida and Alabama get in over ND.

The team that can’t slip up is Ohio State.

I agree with Sultan, but also agree with jes that I probably gave ND too little a chance with a loss to Clemson.

Of course, ND could lose to UNC on Friday, making all this moot. Here's hoping ... although it is kind of fun watching Bama or Clemson roll ND in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 25, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
And, he's got a team that only players wearing Orange and White truly fear.

Mr. Mason may be a goner at the end of the year. In the less-than-august annals of Vandy football, this year's team stacks up as one of the worst. Challenged only by last year's team and any team in the Jack Green/Bill Pace era.

And that doesn't change that Mason is one of the good people in the game.

As Vandy head football coach, Mason is not someone that can do more with less resources and infrastructure. In order to be successful at Vandy, the football coach is someone that needs to be able to do more with less. This is likely going to be his last season at Vandy, unless he gets a year COVID-19 delay. Mason was close a couple of seasons, and he has dominated rival Tennessee often, which pleases many there.

All one has to do is go to every, or any, school in the SEC and compare and contrast infrastructure and resources with Vandy. Vandy hasn't upgraded its football stadium since 1981. The football team shares a lot of space and resources with other sports and the University. The fundraising arm of the University was removed from campus and moved to a nearby hotel (Lowes) for years. (It is moving back)

David Williams who was a good man, and good at a lot of things, but he wasn't a fundraiser. When he retired, snd then unexpectedly passed away, the next AD was inexperienced, and, the University thought he was too big of a spender. He lasted one year.

There is some recent encouragement with the new Chancellor, new AD, new Associate AD fundraising hire. They need several hundred million dollars worth of infrastructure improvements. (When it rained last year, the baseball team's World Series winning watch party moved inside Memorial Gym, which didn't have AC in late June.) Hoops did get a $5 million gift for that AC and practice gym update. (They need another.)

So no, Derek Mason hasn't won enough, and, he's had enough time to be a bit better than he has. But he also wasn't living in a world of apples to apples either. Hopefully the next coach will have an easier chance to be successful.

It's all the more impressive just how good Vandy's non-revenue programs have been, baseball, tennis, golf, soccer, bowling (yes bowling) etc...they have some really good non-revenue programs.

Perhaps Vandy can get one of those $270 million facilities like Northwestern? I'd say football facility, but I know NU shares it with other programs. Vandy is the type of place that prefers to integrate the football team within the student body and other teams.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 04:17:27 PM
It's interesting. (I follow Women's College Soccer). Vandy graduated two very good Keepers last year who shared playing time. As an incoming Senior, Fuller played sparingly in her soccer career at Vandy. She wasn't the starting keeper this year, but she took the spot after a few games in which the starting keeper, a Sophomore, struggled.

Initially, Fuller also struggled quite a bit, but she was improved a bit, and she was solid in the SEC Tourney, which Vandy won. (Mostly due to elite play between the 18's,.increased scoring, and limiting chances).

I'm not sure if she'll get a chance in the football game. I'm also not sure how well she'd do. It would be a good story if she had a chance and succeeded. I'm not surprised Derek Mason would possibly be the one to give her a chance. He's one of the better people in the game.


Maybe she has a strong (and accurate) leg that works better on the football field than the futbol pitch? Like a Sebastian Janukowski....

Anyway, it'd be great if she gets a shot.

Sounds like you know quite a bit about Vandy and Nashville. You live there?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 26, 2020, 08:29:37 AM

Maybe she has a strong (and accurate) leg that works better on the football field than the futbol pitch? Like a Sebastian Janukowski....

Anyway, it'd be great if she gets a shot.

Sounds like you know quite a bit about Vandy and Nashville. You live there?

Some soccer and football kicker assets are similar, and, some are different. Fuller does have a strong leg. In soccer, her goal kicks, free kicks, punts, pass backs, were good but inconsistent. She at times could pass the ball end to end of the field.

When describing her soccer play, some of her initial challenges were positioning, footwork, hands, etc...which would all be different in football. But she did improve as the season went along.

I hope she gets a chance and does well. it would be good for her, the sport, and Vandy. We'll see.

(I do know some folks at Vandy. I also know some soccer/place kicker families that kicked in college and professional ranks. Sent you a PM)


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2020, 05:02:52 PM
Key play in ND-UNC game:

Early in 3Q with score tied, UNC has ND stopped. 4th-and-1 at ND’s 24. Everyone in the stadium knew ND was only lining up on offense to draw D offside ... and UNC went offside anyway. After the gift 1st down, ND goes methodically downfield to score go-ahead TD. Stoopid!

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 27, 2020, 05:42:13 PM
Ugh.  This Notre Dame team is really good.  This team can play with Alabama.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 27, 2020, 05:45:23 PM
You can’t take away the Clemson win, but I’m still not sold on ND. Their offense just disappears for quarters at a time. Happened against Louisville. Happened against a BAD GT team in the second half. Happened here against a UNC team that gave up 40+ to far inferior teams. Seems like another good regular season that ends with Bama or OSU holding them to 10 pts on the CFB Semi and thrashing them. Ian Book has terrible pocket presence very often.

Ugh.  This Notre Dame team is really good.  This team can play with Alabama.

Their offense has been spastic today. Defense is very good but they won’t score 20 on Bama
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 27, 2020, 06:24:11 PM
Notre Dame was fantastic today versus a very good UNC offense.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 27, 2020, 06:50:40 PM
Clemson was fortunate to get their win over BC. They lost to ND.

Ole Miss lit up the scoreboard v Alabama and could have won the game. Georgia led Alabama for 2.5 quarters.

All of these teams are certainly beatable. All great teams, ND included.

UNC is going to be a very good football program under Mack Brown.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 27, 2020, 07:36:20 PM
Clemson was fortunate to get their win over BC. They lost to ND.

Ole Miss lit up the scoreboard v Alabama and could have won the game. Georgia led Alabama for 2.5 quarters.

I don’t think they were fortunate. They started slow with a true freshman QB in his first ever start and a flukey fumble that led to a TD return. Outside of that play, it would have been a one score game at half. In the second half, BC got manhandled and never got past the Clemson 45. Midway through the 3rd Qtr, it was blatantly obvious that Clemson was winning the game, regardless of score

And with all due respect, did you watch the Ole Miss/Bama game? It was incredibly fun, one of the best games of the year. But Ole Miss couldn’t stop Bama, Bama never punted. They were never in danger of losing, regardless of what Kiffin’s offense could put up against a system he knew VERY well. It was just when those stops would happen for Bama. They played the entire game in cruise control
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 27, 2020, 07:55:36 PM
The fog in this Oregon/Oregon State game is awesome
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 27, 2020, 09:30:31 PM
I don’t think they were fortunate. They started slow with a true freshman QB in his first ever start and a flukey fumble that led to a TD return. Outside of that play, it would have been a one score game at half. In the second half, BC got manhandled and never got past the Clemson 45. Midway through the 3rd Qtr, it was blatantly obvious that Clemson was winning the game, regardless of score

And with all due respect, did you watch the Ole Miss/Bama game? It was incredibly fun, one of the best games of the year. But Ole Miss couldn’t stop Bama, Bama never punted. They were never in danger of losing, regardless of what Kiffin’s offense could put up against a system he knew VERY well. It was just when those stops would happen for Bama. They played the entire game in cruise control

I did watch the Ole Miss v Bama game. The story of the game was Alabama's inability to stop Ole Miss. Everyone knew Ole Miss didn't have a good defense. Kiffin is hustling to find juco defenders for next season because Ole Miss wasn't left with any. Alabama didn't play the game on cruise control. That's incorrect. The game was tied in the fourth quarter. It was also a one possession game throughout the fourth quarter until a minute left in the game.  We can't change the facts of the game. 647 yards, 48 points.

Clemson came back to win over BC in the 4th quarter. BC had chances to retake the lead in Clemson territory in the 4th quarter. BC led much of the game. Those parts of the game count too. Again, we can't change the facts of the game.

You are trying waaaaay too hard here to make these look like "Cruise Control" wins in these games. They were anything but for both Alabama and Clemson. I think objective observers can see that. Again these are still great teams, but they struggled at times this season. All teams have.

You made excuses for both Clemson and Alabama in your analysis. Freshman QB here, fluke play there, a coach that knew the other team there etc....but your inconsistency is not applying that to ND as well. Why is it okay to make excuses for the other teams but not them? Here, I'll play. ND started two new offensive lineman today but still put up 31 points and 480 yards of offense and controlled the ball for almost 35 minutes.

Back to the main overall point. Objectively, like it or not, Notre Dame is certainly in the same class as both Alabama and Clemson this season. You may not like them, but they have already shown that regardless of what happens with them down the road. And of course, they already defeated Clemson.






Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 27, 2020, 09:31:44 PM
The fog in this Oregon/Oregon State game is awesome

OSU hanging right in there too....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 27, 2020, 10:38:25 PM
Indiana is an astonishing +4400 right now on DK to win the Big 10. Just sayin...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2020, 12:05:40 AM
OSU hanging right in there too....

Some of the worst officiating I’ve ever seen to end the game. Funny enough, it benefited OSU. That Oregon DL was gassed, they weren’t going to stop runs inside. So all the missed offsides and TERRIBLE spots depriving OSU of earlier TDs just ended up killing clock and burning Oregon’s TOs
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2020, 07:04:36 AM
I love when Oregon State beats Oregon.  I don't know of another case where you have two public universities in the same conference, who are completely mismatched resource wise.  And they are only about 50 miles apart.

I guess you have Washington and Washington State, but those campuses are located in completely different regions of the state
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 28, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Disappointed to see the initial ESPN Gameday panel reaction to Sarah Fuller dressing for Vandy today. They came across as rather immature and childish in my opinion, especially Howard and Pollack. I am not surprised she has the respect of her coaches and teammates.

I would have perhaps considered Hopkins, Shamburger, Brighton, Elwell etc...first, from a standpoint of athleticism + strong leg. But Fuller does have the size and leg strength, though not as consistent. I hope to see Sarah knock through a few PAT's and perhaps a short FG.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 01:49:29 PM
Disappointed to see the initial ESPN Gameday panel reaction to Sarah Fuller dressing for Vandy today. They came across as rather immature and childish in my opinion, especially Howard and Pollack. I am not surprised she has the respect of her coaches and teammates.

I would have perhaps considered Hopkins, Shamburger, Brighton, Elwell etc...first, from a standpoint of athleticism + strong leg. But Fuller does have the size and leg strength, though not as consistent. I hope to see Sarah knock through a few PAT's and perhaps a short FG.


Missed the Gameday comments. Shame if they made light of it.

Too bad Vandy's offense has been so pathetic - they've only made it past midfield twice, and outside of reasonable FG range (closest would've been a 51-yarder). And a PAT seems even more unlikely.

At least she got into the game for Vandy's one and only kickoff today....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 02:01:01 PM
FSU's game canceled on gameday for the second straight week.

https://apnews.com/article/college-football-football-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-clemson-tigers-football-9d3f6a15ca9fe53e8ea75d115df302c6

Gotta really suck for UVa, which was already in Tallahassee when the postponement was announced....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 28, 2020, 02:33:44 PM

Missed the Gameday comments. Shame if they made light of it.

Too bad Vandy's offense has been so pathetic - they've only made it past midfield twice, and outside of reasonable FG range (closest would've been a 51-yarder). And a PAT seems even more unlikely.

At least she got into the game for Vandy's one and only kickoff today....

Unfortunate that she didn't get a chance offensively.

Yep. Gameday was pretty bad. Insecure sexism is alive and well.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 28, 2020, 03:08:29 PM
Unfortunate that she didn't get a chance offensively.

Yep. Gameday was pretty bad. Insecure sexism is alive and well.

I made the mistake of reading some Facebook comments on articles about her - lots of sexism there of course.  I did like seeing all the people put someone in their place though who accused them of picking her instead of a men's soccer player to get attention as Vandy hasn't had a men's soccer team for many years.

I love the example she sets for my two girls - want them to think they can do anything they want to when they grow up.  They've inherited their mother's lack of athletic talent :) so it won't be anything in athletics but it still is a nice example.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 28, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
I made the mistake of reading some Facebook comments on articles about her - lots of sexism there of course.  I did like seeing all the people put someone in their place though who accused them of picking her instead of a men's soccer player to get attention as Vandy hasn't had a men's soccer team for many years.

I love the example she sets for my two girls - want them to think they can do anything they want to when they grow up.  They've inherited their mother's lack of athletic talent :) so it won't be anything in athletics but it still is a nice example.

Yep. Sarah was well supported by teammates, coaches, fans.

Mizzou fans cheered for her prior to and after her kickoff. Mizzou coach Eli Drinkwitz approached her pregame and told her he was a big fan. Eli has 4 daughters. Mizzou players Larry Rountree etc..were also very supportive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: skianth16 on November 28, 2020, 03:36:53 PM
I made the mistake of reading some Facebook comments on articles about her - lots of sexism there of course.  I did like seeing all the people put someone in their place though who accused them of picking her instead of a men's soccer player to get attention as Vandy hasn't had a men's soccer team for many years.

I love the example she sets for my two girls - want them to think they can do anything they want to when they grow up.  They've inherited their mother's lack of athletic talent :) so it won't be anything in athletics but it still is a nice example.

I'm not so sure this is the example we want to point out to our daughters. She didn't dedicate herself to an ambitious goal and have to work hard to get there. She was pretty much hand-picked to fill an empty spot to make a few positive headlines for a horrible team. Then once she was in the game the coaches basically put her in a situation with no ability to fail. (there was no reason to squib a kick against a Mizzou team who ranks 13/14 in kick returns in the SEC)

There are so many more examples of women who put in years of hard work to achieve something great that I'll point out to my daughter. And if she shows an interest in football, I'll show her some clips of the female kickers that have won their spots in tryouts and worked hard for their playing time. A patronizing pat on the head for doing something nearly all other members of the team could have done isn't something I'll telling my daughter to aim for. I want her to know she can be better than that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2020, 03:39:54 PM
I'm not so sure this is the example we want to point out to our daughters. She didn't dedicate herself to an ambitious goal and have to work hard to get there. She was pretty much hand-picked to fill an empty spot to make a few positive headlines for a horrible team. Then once she was in the game the coaches basically put her in a situation with no ability to fail. (there was no reason to squib a kick against a Mizzou team who ranks 13/14 in kick returns in the SEC)

There are so many more examples of women who put in years of hard work to achieve something great that I'll point out to my daughter. And if she shows an interest in football, I'll show her some clips of the female kickers that have won their spots in tryouts and worked hard for their playing time. A patronizing pat on the head for doing something nearly all other members of the team could have done isn't something I'll telling my daughter to aim for. I want her to know she can be better than that.


Wow.  That is quite the take.

How about this.  She was selected for this opportunity and had the guts to follow through with it despite having to deal with people with dumb opinions like yours.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 03:51:10 PM
Yep. Sarah was well supported by teammates, coaches, fans.

Mizzou fans cheered for her prior to and after her kickoff. Mizzou coach Eli Drinkwitz approached her pregame and told her he was a big fan. Eli has 4 daughters. Mizzou players Larry Rountree etc..were also very supportive.


Yep- kudos to the Mizzou staff, team and fans. They all seemed very supportive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
On a separate note - Harbaugh gowne?

Losing to 0-5 Penn State at home. Oof!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: skianth16 on November 28, 2020, 03:53:06 PM

Wow.  That is quite the take.

How about this.  She was selected for this opportunity and had the guts to follow through with it despite having to deal with people with dumb opinions like yours.

If she had worked for her opportunity it would be a different story. She didn't. That's why I don't see this is as anything more than a PR story.

Again, I'll point out the women who dedicated themselves to achieving their goals to my daughter. That's far more inspiring to me.



Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 03:57:28 PM
If she had worked for her opportunity it would be a different story. She didn't. That's why I don't see this is as anything more than a PR story.

Again, I'll point out the women who dedicated themselves to achieving their goals to my daughter. That's far more inspiring to me.


She worked her tail off for many years to become a high-level D1 soccer player...and the skills she developed were the reason she was picked today. It doesn’t diminish her accomplishments - or the work it took to achieve them - just because her moment of fame came on a different field.

It would be very different if she was just picked at random out of the student body, but that is FAR from what happened.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2020, 04:04:13 PM

She worked her tail off for many years to become a high-level D1 soccer player...and the skills she developed were the reason she was picked today. It doesn’t diminish her accomplishments - or the work it took to achieve them - just because her moment of fame came on a different field.

It would be very different if she was just picked at random out of the student body, but that is FAR from what happened.


And was there PR involved?  Sure.  That's obvious. 

But you don't think her parents are proud of her?  Do you think they view this as a mere "patronizing pat on the head?"  C'mon...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: skianth16 on November 28, 2020, 04:12:16 PM

She worked her tail off for many years to become a high-level D1 soccer player...and the skills she developed were the reason she was picked today. It doesn’t diminish her accomplishments - or the work it took to achieve them - just because her moment of fame came on a different field.

It would be very different if she was just picked at random out of the student body, but that is FAR from what happened.

Totally agree she had to have worked hard to be a starter on the soccer team. But that's not why she's being celebrated. Plus the coaches didn't even give her a real chance to show her skills today. And that's why it feels disingenuous.

I'm not trying to say that Sarah deserves criticism here. In fact, she's probably pissed she didn't even get a real shot tofay. I'm just saying this doesn't seem like a legit way of being the first woman to play power conference football. There will undoubtedly be a woman in the near future who earns a spot after working hard at kicking. Or maybe a sprinter who develops her hands skills to be a receiver. And that will be a cool story worth all the attention and accolades.

But when it comes to examples of women I'd want my daughter to emulate, I'm not pulling up this clip on youtube to show her.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: skianth16 on November 28, 2020, 04:18:11 PM

And was there PR involved?  Sure.  That's obvious. 

But you don't think her parents are proud of her?  Do you think they view this as a mere "patronizing pat on the head?"  C'mon...

Do you think Vandy plays her if they're not 0-7?  Do you think the coaches call for a squib if they think she can kick for a touchback? Do you think a male soccer player squibbing a kick 30 yards gets any attention?

If any of these are a "yes" then this isn't just for the sake of the headline. But if they're all "no" then maybe this was more PR related than equality related.


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
Buffalo RB had 400+ yards and 8 TDs today!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2020, 04:28:05 PM

Yep. Gameday was pretty bad.

GameDay is always bad. Big Noon Kickoff for me on FOX/FS1.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Totally agree she had to have worked hard to be a starter on the soccer team. But that's not why she's being celebrated. Plus the coaches didn't even give her a real chance to show her skills today. And that's why it feels disingenuous.

I'm not trying to say that Sarah deserves criticism here. In fact, she's probably pissed she didn't even get a real shot tofay. I'm just saying this doesn't seem like a legit way of being the first woman to play power conference football. There will undoubtedly be a woman in the near future who earns a spot after working hard at kicking. Or maybe a sprinter who develops her hands skills to be a receiver. And that will be a cool story worth all the attention and accolades.

But when it comes to examples of women I'd want my daughter to emulate, I'm not pulling up this clip on youtube to show her.

It’s not popular, but I think you have a point. Contrast this story with Mo Isom at LSU 7-8 years ago. Another very accomplished goalie who held multiple records at LSU, but she spent the better part of a year training with LSU’s special teams and went through open tryouts. She ended up not being selected for a very good LSU team but it was an impressive trailblazing path.

Or Katie Hnida who was an actual HS kicker before her unfortunate time at CU and then New Mexico.

Nothing against Fuller and there is plenty of pride and praise to be had for her seizing a unique opportunity and challenge, but it’s far more of a fluke than a wall being broke down IMO.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2020, 04:32:40 PM
Buffalo RB had 400+ yards and 8 TDs today!

Dude can coach.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on November 28, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
Buffalo RB had 400+ yards and 8 TDs today!

I thought the Packers played the Bears this week.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2020, 04:57:14 PM
Dude can coach.

What Leipold is doing at UB is truly incredible.  This is a program with no modern football history. They were a mediocre FCS school when they jumped to FBS around 2000. Turner Gill had one pretty good year that got him the Kansas job. Leipold’ successor had some NFL talent come through but again had 1 good year and got fired the next.  The MAC is kind of a cyclical conference that sees many of the good programs have ebb and flows with great stretches. But Buffalo was the exception with Eastern Michigan.  They are REALLY tough this year. That offense is a wagon

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Marquette Fan on November 28, 2020, 05:03:42 PM
I'm not so sure this is the example we want to point out to our daughters. She didn't dedicate herself to an ambitious goal and have to work hard to get there. She was pretty much hand-picked to fill an empty spot to make a few positive headlines for a horrible team. Then once she was in the game the coaches basically put her in a situation with no ability to fail. (there was no reason to squib a kick against a Mizzou team who ranks 13/14 in kick returns in the SEC)

There are so many more examples of women who put in years of hard work to achieve something great that I'll point out to my daughter. And if she shows an interest in football, I'll show her some clips of the female kickers that have won their spots in tryouts and worked hard for their playing time. A patronizing pat on the head for doing something nearly all other members of the team could have done isn't something I'll telling my daughter to aim for. I want her to know she can be better than that.

I stand behind my first comment and think it's a good example for my daughters.  She is a hard working college athlete - it's not as it they picked her up off the street this week. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
What Leipold is doing at UB is truly incredible.  This is a program with no modern football history. They were a mediocre FCS school when they jumped to FBS around 2000. Turner Gill had one pretty good year that got him the Kansas job. Leipold’ successor had some NFL talent come through but again had 1 good year and got fired the next.  The MAC is kind of a cyclical conference that sees many of the good programs have ebb and flows with great stretches. But Buffalo was the exception with Eastern Michigan.  They are REALLY tough this year. That offense is a wagon



I knew he would succeed there if they gave him time. The question is where does he go now? 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 28, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
Typical unnatural carnal knowledgeing Northwestern. This is why we can’t have nice things.

Big 10 and the selection committee breathes a sigh of relief.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
Typical unnatural carnal knowledgeing Northwestern. This is why we can’t have nice things.

Big 10 and the selection committee breathes a sigh of relief.


Crazy day in the Big Ten. Penn State beats Michigan, Rutgers beats Purdue and Michigan State beats Northwestern. The only favored team to win was Indiana.

And Ohio State and Wisconsin are both at risk of missing the minimum number of games to qualify for the championship.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Wisconsin already has.  They are going to have to hope for a bunch of cancellations from other teams here on out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2020, 10:16:41 PM
Northwestern offense was really bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on November 28, 2020, 10:38:15 PM
Do you think Vandy plays her if they're not 0-7?  Do you think the coaches call for a squib if they think she can kick for a touchback? Do you think a male soccer player squibbing a kick 30 yards gets any attention?

If any of these are a "yes" then this isn't just for the sake of the headline. But if they're all "no" then maybe this was more PR related than equality related.

Vanderbilt needed to do something to salvage what was, even by Vanderbilt standards, a terrible season. Vandy's football and basketball teams are all but irrelevant with the football team sinking to levels not seen since the immortal Bill Pace in the 1960s.

The only reasons they're in the SEC is the SEC pays Vanderbilt millions and Vanderbilt gives the SEC an air of class. Otherwise, they'd drop football and join the Big East in basketball and other sports.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2020, 10:50:25 PM
Wisconsin already has.  They are going to have to hope for a bunch of cancellations from other teams here on out.

Yep. I only said ‘at risk’ because of the uncertainty over how many games might yet be canceled...but IMO they are toast. I believe about 10 of the remaining 14 games would need to be canceled to adjust the eligibility criteria.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 29, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
Alabama better without Saban?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 29, 2020, 08:28:19 AM
Vanderbilt needed to do something to salvage what was, even by Vanderbilt standards, a terrible season. Vandy's football and basketball teams are all but irrelevant with the football team sinking to levels not seen since the immortal Bill Pace in the 1960s.

The only reasons they're in the SEC is the SEC pays Vanderbilt millions and Vanderbilt gives the SEC an air of class. Otherwise, they'd drop football and join the Big East in basketball and other sports.

Vandy needed a kicker.  Derek Mason and Darren Ambrose are good friends. Vandy assistant soccer coach Ken Masuhr contacted Sarah while she was packing to go home after winning the SEC Soccer Title the weekend before, in Orange, AL. to see if she was interested.

She was good enough to meet with them within the hour. Vandy Deputy AD Tommy McClelland, and Vandy Assistant AD Jason Grooms brought the idea to Vandy AD Candice Storey Lee and she signed off on it. It was good of Sarah to help them out. Sarah made 38 yard field goals in practice.

Former Vandy kicker Ryley Guay, a Medical Student, is going through COVID-19 protocols and practicing. He has one year of eligibility left (2017-2019) and may finish out their last two games.

The new Chancellor, new AD, new Deputy AD, are aware of the outdated facilities and many infrastructure needs. A small $5 million football locker room upgrade will happen after the season ends. An announcement is expected any time, for a larger more expensive football facility. It would appear they will get their own facility and not a shared one such as at Northwestern etc...but they are getting one.

All Anyone watching Sarah's game yesterday needed to do was look to the South End Zone to see Mizzou's newly opened $100 million football facility, initiated by Gary Pinkel for any inspiration and to see one example of what the other SEC teams are doing. Vandy is a founding member, 1932. Vandy is one of the best teams in the SEC in several non-revenue sports. Last football upgrade, 1981. Long overdue, and still too slow, but it is going to happen.



Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 29, 2020, 09:24:07 AM
Alabama better without Saban?


#firesaban
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 29, 2020, 09:45:19 AM

All Anyone watching Sarah's game yesterday needed to do was look to the South End Zone to see Mizzou's newly opened $100 million football facility, initiated by Gary Pinkel for any inspiration and to see one example of what the other SEC teams are doing. Vandy is a founding member, 1932. Vandy is one of the best teams in the SEC in several non-revenue sports. Last football upgrade, 1981. Long overdue, and still too slow, but it is going to happen.



This is a much-overlooked aspect of Vanderbilt's non-monetary value to the SEC. Two recent National Championships (2014 and 2019) in baseball; 2015 National Champions in women's tennis; strong programs in men's tennis, women's lacrosse and soccer, and men's and women's golf. Those programs don't directly bring $$ to the SEC like football and basketball, but they help keep the conference's name in front of sports fans year-round.

And speaking of revenue sports, Vandy's women's hoops program is excellent, and the men's hoops program is very competitive.

So while they are very different from the football power schools in what they bring, they most certainly bring more to the conference than just academics.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2020, 09:50:48 AM

This is a much-overlooked aspect of Vanderbilt's non-monetary value to the SEC. Two recent National Championships (2014 and 2019) in baseball; 2015 National Champions in women's tennis; strong programs in men's tennis, women's lacrosse and soccer, and men's and women's golf. Those programs don't directly bring $$ to the SEC like football and basketball, but they help keep the conference's name in front of sports fans year-round.

And speaking of revenue sports, Vandy's women's hoops program is excellent, and the men's hoops program is very competitive.

So while they are very different from the football power schools in what they bring, they most certainly bring more to the conference than just academics.


Yeah I don't know.  I mean, the 2019 College World Series had FOUR SEC teams.  Vandy winning it was obviously good for the conference, but it's not as though they lacked exposure otherwise.

I doubt if the conference were forming today that Vandy would be invited. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 29, 2020, 11:21:41 AM

Yeah I don't know.  I mean, the 2019 College World Series had FOUR SEC teams.  Vandy winning it was obviously good for the conference, but it's not as though they lacked exposure otherwise.

I doubt if the conference were forming today that Vandy would be invited.


If the only factors were football, football and football, you would certainly be right. But if they also considered the other revenue sports, Vandy's men's and women's basketball programs would be a draw. And that's ignoring the non-revenue sports and other things they bring to the conference.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 29, 2020, 11:22:50 AM

This is a much-overlooked aspect of Vanderbilt's non-monetary value to the SEC. Two recent National Championships (2014 and 2019) in baseball; 2015 National Champions in women's tennis; strong programs in men's tennis, women's lacrosse and soccer, and men's and women's golf. Those programs don't directly bring $$ to the SEC like football and basketball, but they help keep the conference's name in front of sports fans year-round.

And speaking of revenue sports, Vandy's women's hoops program is excellent, and the men's hoops program is very competitive.

So while they are very different from the football power schools in what they bring, they most certainly bring more to the conference than just academics.

Vandy’s women’s team hasn’t made the tourney in over 5 years and is more than 10 years removed from a Sweet Sixteen. They had a nice stretch in the early 2000s under their previous coach, but they arent an “excellent” program. Similarly with the Men’s team. A few nice stretches with Stallings, but haven’t won a tourney game in a decade.

Neither are light years behind the rest of the conference like football, but neither are a particular boon that keeps Vandy in the SEC limelight
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2020, 01:24:18 PM
And Vandy scored Derek Mason today...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 29, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
Derek Mason was fired Saturday night after the game. It was being discussed for a couple of weeks. The timing of the decision is to be transparent with the mid December commits. It is to make it clear to those recruits that there will be a new coach next year if they keep their commitments.

Derek is an A+ person. He had a good few years with runs to bowl games. The stories of his good deeds are pretty endless. He was a friend to everyone there no matter who they were or what they could or could not do for him.

He gets to leave Vandy earning more than $20 million as well. He's an extremely popular person there, with good reason. He did a lot for a lot of people. But long term, he isn't going to be able to do consistently enough more, with less resources. Derek had several stops college and pro, but it was his several years at Stanford, which all resulted in top level bowl games that brought his attention to David Williams at Vandy.

Vandy is soon announcing its several phase facility and infrastructure improvement plan. The board has a few more sports friendly people on it. Every other SEC school has had major facilities upgrades since the last time Vandy had them, and some, several times over. It's been less challenging for Stanford to be competitive in the Pac 12, or Northwestern in the Big 10, or Duke in the ACC.

It will be interesting. Some of the names that you will hear for various reasons in no particular order:

Jamey Chadwell: Coastal Carolina, family man type, which goes over well at Vandy, creative offensive football, which also scores well. Chadwell played college ball at E. Tennessee St.

WIll Healy at Charlotte. Will's uncle was an All American linebacker at Vandy. He's a big marketer which wouldn't hurt at a place like Vandy.

Charles Huff, Associate Head Coach Alabama. Coached at Vandy under James Franklin. He's an elite recruiter.

Clark Lea, Notre Dame Defensive Coordinator, is a Nashville native, played fullback for Vandy.

Some others, Ryan Lashlee, Offensive Coordinator Miami, played and coached in SEC. Brian Johnson at Florida.

Lance Leipold Buffalo, and Sean Lewis Kent St. because these are two difficult places to win. Will Fritz Tulane.

Names that may get mentioned but are less likely to be considered are Army and Navy head coaches. Will Fritz Tulane. Skip Holtz Louisana Tech.

And there will be additional names. Idealistically Vandy wants a coach that wants to be at Vandy long term, as opposed to a good or great 3-5 years and move on.





Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2020, 11:13:29 PM
Numerous top players opting out of the rest of this sh!t-show of a season to start getting ready for the NFL Draft. Some players opting out because team gatherings have turned into super-spreader events.

Hard to blame any of ‘em.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 30, 2020, 07:01:13 AM
Vandy’s women’s team hasn’t made the tourney in over 5 years and is more than 10 years removed from a Sweet Sixteen. They had a nice stretch in the early 2000s under their previous coach, but they arent an “excellent” program. Similarly with the Men’s team. A few nice stretches with Stallings, but haven’t won a tourney game in a decade.

Neither are light years behind the rest of the conference like football, but neither are a particular boon that keeps Vandy in the SEC limelight

Under Phil Lee, Jim Foster, Melanie Balcomb? Vandy has been a 27 time NCAA team. 15 Sweet 16 appearances. Vandy has had one of the better women's basketball programs nationally, an excellent program.

They parted ways with Melanie Balcomb because she "only" made the NCAA's 12 of 14 seasons. Stephanie White was set to be fired the same year as Bryce Drew, but they didn't want to do both in the same season.

Vandy didn't have air conditioning in its basketball gym up until this oast year. When their baseball team won another World Series last year, the watch party on their baseball field had to go inside the gym due to rain in the summer. Not ideal without AC. Summer workouts have been known to be pretty brutal.

Vandy just finished work on its practice gym. This is great, until you realize they only have one practice gym. Kevin Stallings paid $100k of his money one year, so the team could travel oversees.

Vandy of course as mentioned has had college baseball's best program this past decade and has a good chance to do that again this decade. They have excellent other non-revenue programs as well. It's pretty remarkable considering the athletic challenges there. Great school, one of the country's best, great campus, one of the country's best, many great things accomplished under Milwaukee native Nick Zeppos.

The football program (football thread) will finally get long overdue facility upgrades, infrastructure, resources just to try to remain competitive with its peers. And it can't come soon enough there.



 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 30, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Under Phil Lee, Jim Foster, Melanie Balcomb? Vandy has been a 27 time NCAA team. 15 Sweet 16 appearances. Vandy has had one of the better women's basketball programs nationally, an excellent program.

They parted ways with Melanie Balcomb because she "only" made the NCAA's 12 of 14 seasons. Stephanie White was set to be fired the same year as Bryce Drew, but they didn't want to do both in the same season.

Vandy didn't have air conditioning in its basketball gym up until this oast year. When their baseball team won another World Series last year, the watch party on their baseball field had to go inside the gym due to rain in the summer. Not ideal without AC. Summer workouts have been known to be pretty brutal.

Vandy just finished work on its practice gym. This is great, until you realize they only have one practice gym. Kevin Stallings paid $100k of his money one year, so the team could travel oversees.

Vandy of course as mentioned has had college baseball's best program this past decade and has a good chance to do that again this decade. They have excellent other non-revenue programs as well. It's pretty remarkable considering the athletic challenges there. Great school, one of the country's best, great campus, one of the country's best, many great things accomplished under Milwaukee native Nick Zeppos.

The football program (football thread) will finally get long overdue facility upgrades, infrastructure, resources just to try to remain competitive with its peers. And it can't come soon enough there.

Vandy's womens team hasnt been to the S16 in over a decade like I mentioned, hasnt been to an E8 in nearly 20.  In that time, programs like South Carolina, Oregon, Oregon St, Mississippi St and Baylor have come on exceptionally strong.  Vandy has more in common with Lousiana Tech, a program with tons of historical success but little in the current game, than they do with those schools or the other excellent programs/powers.

I'm not arguing that Vandy trails others in facilities or program investment.  Thats not up for debate.  The athletic investment dwarfs the stature of the school in all other regards, especially for being in such a cutthroat conference.  That being said, as I mentioned, as it currently stands for recruiting, coach attracting, or the like, neither Vandy BB program would be excellent.  Historical success means very little these days if you dont have recent success or facilities or appeal to match.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 30, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Vandy's womens team hasnt been to the S16 in over a decade like I mentioned, hasnt been to an E8 in nearly 20.  In that time, programs like South Carolina, Oregon, Oregon St, Mississippi St and Baylor have come on exceptionally strong.  Vandy has more in common with Lousiana Tech, a program with tons of historical success but little in the current game, than they do with those schools or the other excellent programs/powers.

I'm not arguing that Vandy trails others in facilities or program investment.  Thats not up for debate.  The athletic investment dwarfs the stature of the school in all other regards, especially for being in such a cutthroat conference.  That being said, as I mentioned, as it currently stands for recruiting, coach attracting, or the like, neither Vandy BB program would be excellent.  Historical success means very little these days if you dont have recent success or facilities or appeal to match.

Sure it does. You are what your record says you are. It isn't limited to  only a small specific set of years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 02:00:53 PM
Indiana has been the one positive surprise in the Big Ten this year. They just lost their starting QB for the rest of the season....

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/indiana-qb-michael-penix-jr-out-for-the-season-after-suffering-a-torn-acl-in-win-over-maryland/

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on November 30, 2020, 02:13:18 PM
Gang, I grew up on Vanderbilt basketball and saw as a youngster how good it could be. And, Vanderbilt was a pioneer in the SEC when it recruited Perry Wallace from Nashville Pearl, who integrated SEC basketball.

That said, the men's program is an absolute s__tshow right now. It's awful and has not won an SEC game in a couple of years. That despite having one of the best home court advantages in all basketball. Vandy football is even worse and is the only legacy school still in the conference never to have won a football title. And, it never will!!!

The previous poster who gave reference to Vanderbilt being one of the 10 legacy SEC Universities is right on. There's no way that if Alabama, Florida, LSU, Tennessee (another down-on-its-luck football school) and Georgia had to do it over again, Vanderbilt would be in the mix. No way those guys would share football money with a broken-down program like Vanderbilt. I'm actually surprised they still do, especially given the entry of Missouri and Texas A&M.

Vanderbilt would either be an ACC school (but even they can take only one Duke football program), an OVC school or when the Big East reconstructed, a Big East School.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 30, 2020, 02:41:51 PM
Sure it does. You are what your record says you are. It isn't limited to  only a small specific set of years.

The issue for Vandy Women's Hoops is that they were one of the first schools to make a legit investment in WBB which got them ahead of the pack but now others have done so and they've fallen behind. La Tech and Old Dominion are similar. Even Tennessee isn't the juggernaut it was in the 80's and 90's. And while you can rest on your past record what you do now is more important. We can only live off the 70's for so long and not admit that programs that sucked in the past, like Bucky, Gonzaga, Florida, UConn, etc., have passed us by. Ask UCLA about that...or Michigan football.


Vanderbilt would either be an ACC school (but even they can take only one Duke football program), an OVC school or when the Big East reconstructed, a Big East School.

Vandy is basically Rice and Tulane but in the SEC. A world-class academic institution, lots of money, located in a major urban area, not willing to fully commit to being a successful athletic program. They would probably be in the AAC or CUSA if conferences were formed today.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 30, 2020, 02:45:23 PM
Vandy is basically Rice and Tulane but in the SEC. A world-class academic institution, lots of money, located in a major urban area, not willing to fully commit to being a successful athletic program. They would probably be in the AAC or CUSA if conferences were formed today.


Right.  Just look at Tulane.  They were in the SEC until 1966.  If Vandy had made that choice instead, Tulane would be the perennial football dormat.  (With a cooler logo.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 30, 2020, 03:10:11 PM

Right.  Just look at Tulane.  They were in the SEC until 1966.  If Vandy had made that choice instead, Tulane would be the perennial football dormat.  (With a cooler logo.)

The "Angry Wave" is best logo in college football! Too bad we don't have an old "Golden Avalanche" logo we could bring back.

And let's not forget that the old BE brass bringing Tulane into the conference was the final straw and led to the current incarnation of the BE forming.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 30, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Yes, Vandy's football is atrocious...but it does not have the worst FBS football record of any P5 school during the 2010s. Not even close. Here is a list of all FBS football schools' records in the 2010s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win-loss_records_in_the_2010s

You will see several P5 schools below Vandy on that list...including UVa, Iowa State, Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Oregon State, Purdue and Kansas. Oh yeah...and Ole Miss - an SEC school with a considerably worse football record in the 2010s than Vandy (!).

Betcha didn't know there were that many FBS schools (all but Ole Miss in inferior conferences) that had worse football records than Vandy over the previous 10 seasons, did ya?

Bottom line: I don't disagree that Vanderbilt would have a very hard (maybe impossible) task of getting into the SEC if they reorganized today and football was the sole driver. But then again, if all the conferences reorganized and football was the sole driver, lots of schools would be nervous....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 30, 2020, 04:06:23 PM
The "Angry Wave" is best logo in college football! Too bad we don't have an old "Golden Avalanche" logo we could bring back.

And let's not forget that the old BE brass bringing Tulane into the conference was the final straw and led to the current incarnation of the BE forming.

Vandy's academic and athletic conference peers include Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, etc...

Vandy is seeking a long term football coach that can win enough and be competitive enough. A big difference has been that more often than not it has been easier to be more competitive in football in the Pac 12, Big Ten, ACC etc....than the SEC in football.

At Northwestern, Gary Barnett had 2 winning seasons. ...Take Pat Fitzgerald, he's had a winning record 50% of the time in 15 seasons. They've lost fewer than 4 games 3 times in 15 years. He's won a handful of mid level bowls. They now have a newly opened $270 million facility. He wants to be there.

At Duke, Cutcliffe has had a few less seasons than Fitzgerald, and he has had a winning record about 33% of his dozen years there.

Vandy will try to hire a long term coach as opposed to another James Franklin. Tim Corbin, Geoff McDonald, Darren Ambrose, etc...and so on as they have had in their successful other sports. They want what James Franklin gave them in on field results, but they want a coach that will either stay longer term and identify with the school, and/or someone who would have a successor plan in place.

Vandy will be announcing separate phases of facility and infrastructure projects in the near future. And they will need them. But they have a new Chancellor, new AD, new intricacies with its board. These are long overdue.


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 30, 2020, 04:09:37 PM
Yes, Vandy's football is atrocious...but it does not have the worst FBS football record of any P5 school during the 2010s. Not even close. Here is a list of all FBS football schools' records in the 2010s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win-loss_records_in_the_2010s

You will see several P5 schools below Vandy on that list...including UVa, Iowa State, Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Oregon State, Purdue and Kansas. Oh yeah...and Ole Miss - an SEC school with a considerably worse football record in the 2010s than Vandy (!).

Betcha didn't know there were that many FBS schools (all but Ole Miss in inferior conferences) that had worse football records than Vandy over the previous 10 seasons, did ya?

I dont think anyone with knowledge of CFB would guess Vandy would be at or near the bottom of that list considering that encompasses the tenure of James Franklin who won something like 25 games over a few years, which was good enough to get him one of the more prestigious jobs in CFB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 30, 2020, 04:17:13 PM
Vandy will try to hire a long term coach as opposed to another James Franklin. Tim Corbin, Geoff McDonald, Darren Ambrose, etc...and so on as they have had in their successful other sports. They want what James Franklin gave them in on field results, but they want a coach that will either stay longer term and identify with the school, and/or someone who would have a successor plan in place.


I mean...good luck.  You have just described what everybody wants, but is very difficult to achieve.  Northwestern got very serendipitous with Fitzgerald.  He was on staff when Randy Walker died, and was competent enough to succeed AND he is an alum. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 30, 2020, 04:44:31 PM

I mean...good luck.  You have just described what everybody wants, but is very difficult to achieve.  Northwestern got very serendipitous with Fitzgerald.  He was on staff when Randy Walker died, and was competent enough to succeed AND he is an alum.

Vandy's soccer coach came from U Penn. Vandy's long time tennis coach (now retired assistant for his protege) ...played at Virginia, and coached at Duke before coming to Vandy because his wife is an English Professor, Chair of Creative writing program. They embrace high level athletics and academics and several other things there.

A coach doesn't have to come from a background similar to the above, but they must embrace it to stick around a while. Tim Corbin didn't from that background. But he embraced it. He was thrown a lot of Nike money and offered the Oregon baseball job earlier in his career at Vandy. But he stayed.

Even Kevin Stallings, who tried multiple times for multiple Big Ten coaching jobs early in his time. At Vandy, later embraced the Vandy way, as he and Corbin became good friends. It isn't surprising both are friends with Rick Byrd who was named to College Hoops HOF this week.

Derek Mason loved Vandy, and he would have stayed a long time even if he were successful. Went to a couple of bowl games, best Tennessee often. He simply didn't win enough.

Football winning at Vandy or Northwestern etc...isn't the same expectation level as the big state public schools. But it's certainly higher for Vandy than what it has been. Winning while always challenging, is easier to do in some of the other sports.

They can be more successful, more often, in football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 30, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
I dont think anyone with knowledge of CFB would guess Vandy would be at or near the bottom of that list considering that encompasses the tenure of James Franklin who won something like 25 games over a few years, which was good enough to get him one of the more prestigious jobs in CFB.

Franklin also covered up a gang rape an Vandy and lied about it.

https://www.si.com/college/2014/10/08/james-franklin-vanderbilt-rape-case-penn-state-video
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 30, 2020, 07:33:14 PM
Franklin also covered up a gang rape an Vandy and lied about it.  But he did get them 2 of their 4 winning seasons since 1975 so, yeah, go James Franklin.

Since joining the SEC in 1933 they have a 26% winning percentage in conference.

https://www.si.com/college/2014/10/08/james-franklin-vanderbilt-rape-case-penn-state-video
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on November 30, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
Franklin also covered up a gang rape an Vandy and lied about it.

https://www.si.com/college/2014/10/08/james-franklin-vanderbilt-rape-case-penn-state-video

Franklin was certainly the football coach at Vandy when the incident took place. That part you have correct.

Nashville Deputy District Attorney Tom Thurman: "There is no indication Franklin did anything inappropriate in this investigation."

The players involved were immediately dismissed. And they were quickly prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, where prosecutors sought maximum penalty.

Unfortunately too many of these incidents have happened too many places both in and out of Universities.

Vandy became the first SEC school to host an annual "Set The Expectation" game, in conjuction with their ongoing work and friendship with Brenda Tracy.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/college/vanderbilt-to-boost-awareness-with-set-the-expectation-game.html

https://vucommodores.com/continuing-to-set-the-expectation/

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2020/10/09/vanderbilt-athletics-outlines-progress-made-to-address-and-prevent-sexual-assault-and-misconduct/





Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 01, 2020, 10:54:46 AM
Vandy's academic and athletic conference peers include Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, etc...

Vandy is seeking a long term football coach that can win enough and be competitive enough. A big difference has been that more often than not it has been easier to be more competitive in football in the Pac 12, Big Ten, ACC etc....than the SEC in football.

To the best of my knowledge, the only two coaches Vandy had in recent memory who had a modicum of success -- at a consistent level that would make their programs on par with, say, Ole Miss -- were the aforementioned James Franklin, who may be available again if Penn State has another year like this one, and Steve Sloan in the mid-1970s.

Neither stayed.

Vanderbilt has the problem with football coaches we have had of late with basketball coaches. If you're capable of winning at a high level, you are not going to stay at Vanderbilt. A "real" P5 school will lure you away with Big Dollars, Wonderful Facilities and the chance to have something Vanderbilt will NEVER, EVER Have -- a national championship!

We at least have the facilities and history to try to keep our coaches. Vanderbilt's football history is a disaster. And, try to admit an average Alabama recruit to Vanderbilt AND keep him eligible. Good luck on that one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 01, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
To the best of my knowledge, the only two coaches Vandy had in recent memory who had a modicum of success -- at a consistent level that would make their programs on par with, say, Ole Miss -- were the aforementioned James Franklin, who may be available again if Penn State has another year like this one, and Steve Sloan in the mid-1970s.

Neither stayed.

Vanderbilt has the problem with football coaches we have had of late with basketball coaches. If you're capable of winning at a high level, you are not going to stay at Vanderbilt. A "real" P5 school will lure you away with Big Dollars, Wonderful Facilities and the chance to have something Vanderbilt will NEVER, EVER Have -- a national championship!

We at least have the facilities and history to try to keep our coaches. Vanderbilt's football history is a disaster. And, try to admit an average Alabama recruit to Vanderbilt AND keep him eligible. Good luck on that one.


I mean, why are you disparaging Alabama recruits?  Do you know anything about their academic success?  I say that because they have accomplished incredible results on the field and also kept up their graduation rates. Nick Saban tends to stay away from dumbasses and malcontents. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 01, 2020, 11:42:30 AM
To the best of my knowledge, the only two coaches Vandy had in recent memory who had a modicum of success -- at a consistent level that would make their programs on par with, say, Ole Miss -- were the aforementioned James Franklin, who may be available again if Penn State has another year like this one, and Steve Sloan in the mid-1970s.

Neither stayed.

Vanderbilt has the problem with football coaches we have had of late with basketball coaches. If you're capable of winning at a high level, you are not going to stay at Vanderbilt. A "real" P5 school will lure you away with Big Dollars, Wonderful Facilities and the chance to have something Vanderbilt will NEVER, EVER Have -- a national championship!

We at least have the facilities and history to try to keep our coaches. Vanderbilt's football history is a disaster. And, try to admit an average Alabama recruit to Vanderbilt AND keep him eligible. Good luck on that one.

Again, this isn't something I am just throwing out there. This is something that started with David Williams.

Bryce Drew was unsuccessful at Vandy for basketball, but, he was in part hired because they felt he would stay a long time if successful, as opposed to jumping to a different Power 5 school. His family, parents, relatives, all moved there. He may or may not have stayed of successful, but he was hired believing there was a good chance of that.

Derek Mason wasn't successful enough in football, but, he would have stayed a long time if he was. He made over $20 million at Vandy and he had 3 years left on his deal.

Tim Corbin, Geoff McDonald, Darren Ambrose, and so on are the types of coaches who have had other offers, but prefer to stay at Vandy, understanding all that entails, good, bad, indifferent. Not every coach has the mindset of James Franklin. (Franklin is from Pennsylvania, played and coached in Pennsylvania prior to Vandy)

Vandy may or may not find that candidate in their search. If they don't, they will hope to find a coach that initially can do a lot more with less resources until those improve. And if and when that coach leaves, the transition to the next one would be better than before. Some candidates will be more obvious that they are interested in short term success at Vandy to jump to a different job. Some won't.

I also wouldn't generalize too much. Each individual situation is different at different times with either similar or different results.

I'm just telling you what I know.

They want creative, innovative, offensive play with this hire. That can be a head coach or coordinator. They are less likely to hire a pro style offensive coach, (without a strong defense) as well as those without the mentioned above.

I already mentioned some of the names they are exploring.

There will eventually be a more specific announcement from Candice, regarding the phases of facility and infrastructure improvements.

We'll see.

 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 01, 2020, 01:43:25 PM
If the ability to win a football National Championship is what makes a "real" P5 school, then it's time for Duke, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Stanford, Boston College, Syracuse and even a bunch of state schools like Oregon State, Maryland, Washington State and others to give up the charade....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 01, 2020, 01:51:37 PM
If the ability to win a football National Championship is what makes a "real" P5 school, then it's time for Duke, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Stanford, Boston College, Syracuse and even a bunch of state schools like Oregon State, Maryland, Washington State and others to give up the charade....


It's not just about a national championship.  Since the dawn of the BCS, the only schools on your list not to reach a BCS bowl are Duke and BC. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 01, 2020, 01:59:32 PM
If the ability to win a football National Championship is what makes a "real" P5 school, then it's time for Duke, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Stanford, Boston College, Syracuse and even a bunch of state schools like Oregon State, Maryland, Washington State and others to give up the charade....

Most schools will never win a natty in football or basketball.

However, the desire to do so and the willingness to do all you can to compete for that potential separates a P5 school from others.

Brother Fluff, Vanderbilt is notorious for incredibly tough admission standards and no waivers for athletes. A couple of decades ago, Rex Chapman (I believe) had been offered a scholarship by Vanderbilt to play basketball. Everybody around Vanderbilt was excited until the admissions department would not admit him. He ended up at Kentucky.

Alabama may have "smart", scholastically good athletes. But their admissions are no where near Vanderbilt's level.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 01, 2020, 02:03:23 PM
Most schools will never win a natty in football or basketball.

However, the desire to do so and the willingness to do all you can to compete for that potential separates a P5 school from others.

Brother Fluff, Vanderbilt is notorious for incredibly tough admission standards and no waivers for athletes. A couple of decades ago, Rex Chapman (I believe) had been offered a scholarship by Vanderbilt to play basketball. Everybody around Vanderbilt was excited until the admissions department would not admit him. He ended up at Kentucky.

Alabama may have "smart", scholastically good athletes. But their admissions are no where near Vanderbilt's level.




You said "keep him eligible."  That doesn't speak to admissions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 01, 2020, 03:20:16 PM

Most schools will never win a natty in football or basketball.



I was just responding to something you said earlier, which seemed to imply that was the criterion for being a "real" P5 school:

A "real" P5 school will lure you away with Big Dollars, Wonderful Facilities and the chance to have something Vanderbilt will NEVER, EVER Have -- a national championship!


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 03, 2020, 03:21:50 PM
BYU is now going to play Coastal Carolina, as Liberty is having Covid issues.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30442674/sources-byu-cougars-replace-liberty-flames-coastal-carolina-chanticleers-opponent

They aren’t a P5 school, but Coastal is solid this season. And obviously BYU is having a great season. Hopefully, the winner of the year’s best non-P5 matchup gets a nice boost in the polls.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 05, 2020, 11:50:29 AM
Regardless of the results was Billy Napier’s decision to take a 35 yard safety last night one of the worst coaching decisions in football history?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2020, 11:53:21 AM
Regardless of the results was Billy Napier’s decision to take a 35 yard safety last night one of the worst coaching decisions in football history?

It was bizarre. There are circumstances where an intentional safety makes sense. That wasn’t one of them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on December 05, 2020, 12:50:22 PM
It was bizarre. There are circumstances where an intentional safety makes sense. That wasn’t one of them.

I guess the long snapper airmailed the punter 3 times already in that game. I think that was it avoid a TD.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 05, 2020, 05:49:47 PM
Won’t matter that Bucky doesn’t have enough games to qualify for the B10 title game. Big win for Indiana without their starting QB.

Bad weekend to be a rodent. 🤣
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on December 05, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Won’t matter that Bucky doesn’t have enough games to qualify for the B10 title game. Big win for Indiana without their starting QB.

Bad weekend to be a rodent. 🤣

Is there ever a good weekend to be one?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
BYU at Coastal Carolina was a helluva game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 05, 2020, 08:27:49 PM
BYU at Coastal Carolina was a helluva game.


Yep. Coastal is a little undersized, but played very good football. Well coached and fundamentally sound. BYU came damn close to pulling off the final drive, but Coastal deserved to win.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Devonta Smith should win the Heisman
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2020, 08:15:59 AM
Reports that Urban Meyer turned down overtures from Texas due to health concerns.  Texas is back
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 07, 2020, 08:24:24 AM
Texas playing hardball with the Longhorn Network was a short-term win, but a long-term problem.  If I were them, I would look to jump ship to the SEC or the Big Ten because IMO that's how the program gets back.  Those conferences play more meaningful games on the national stage.

If you have a choice between A&M and UT, where would you go?  You want to play games v. Alabama, LSU and Auburn every year?  Or Iowa State and Kansas?  Outside of Oklahoma, where's the big game on your schedule?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on December 08, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
Ohio State-Michigan has been canceled.
Harbaugh breathes sigh of relief.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 08, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
Ohio State-Michigan has been canceled.
Harbaugh breathes sigh of relief.


Big Ten is going to change its rules IMO to get OSU another game.  The problem is that there are two other cancellations.  First is Purdue v. Indiana, but Indiana doesn't have incentive to play this game because without rule changes, they would be in the Big Ten championship game.  Second is Minnesota v. Nebraska, but Nebraska is probably not interested in playing another game v. Ohio State AND they probably aren't excited about helping the Big Ten out.

So my guess is that they will rearrange a bunch of games so that Ohio State can play.  That's their only way to the CFP playoff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 08, 2020, 01:15:56 PM

Big Ten is going to change its rules IMO to get OSU another game.  The problem is that there are two other cancellations.  First is Purdue v. Indiana, but Indiana doesn't have incentive to play this game because without rule changes, they would be in the Big Ten championship game.  Second is Minnesota v. Nebraska, but Nebraska is probably not interested in playing another game v. Ohio State AND they probably aren't excited about helping the Big Ten out.

So my guess is that they will rearrange a bunch of games so that Ohio State can play.  That's their only way to the CFP playoff.

The Big Ten is getting what they deserve.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 08, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
Eh, word is that Fox is lobbying hard for the B10 to find another opponent for OSU.  I think they will figure something out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 08, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Indiana is an astonishing +4400 right now on DK to win the Big 10. Just sayin...

 8-)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 08, 2020, 01:34:31 PM
Eh, word is that Fox is lobbying hard for the B10 to find another opponent for OSU.  I think they will figure something out.


I won't get worked up of IU gets screwed...but if this happens, IU is getting screwed.

They came up with clear rules prior to the season so they didn't favor any specific team. Now they're trying to change them, to the clear benefit of tOSU.

It'd be hysterical if they arranged a game and tOSU lost.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 08, 2020, 01:36:00 PM
MU basketball's turn is coming.   Don't take too much joy in this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 08, 2020, 01:44:07 PM

I won't get worked up of IU gets screwed...but if this happens, IU is getting screwed.

They came up with clear rules prior to the season so they didn't favor any specific team. Now they're trying to change them, to the clear benefit of tOSU.

It'd be hysterical if they arranged a game and tOSU lost.


This is why I said that hard and fast rules don't make sense.  The B10 should do what it can to give Ohio State a chance to get to the playoffs. Indiana doesn't really deserve the Big Ten championship game based on on field results.  Ohio State beat them.  And Ohio State wasn't able to get games because of Covid issues.  Rearranging schedules to get Ohio State a game this weekend is appropriate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 08, 2020, 01:48:18 PM

This is why I said that hard and fast rules don't make sense.  The B10 should do what it can to give Ohio State a chance to get to the playoffs. Indiana doesn't really deserve the Big Ten championship game based on on field results.  Ohio State beat them.  And Ohio State wasn't able to get games because of Covid issues.  Rearranging schedules to get Ohio State a game this weekend is appropriate.


I totally get what you are saying, and if they had started the season saying 'we'll just do our best and figure out the Championship game when we get there,' I would agree with you. But they didn't; they established a hard and fast rule that they are now ignoring, to the clear benefit of one team and detriment of another. That, IMO is what makes it completely inappropriate.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 08, 2020, 01:51:29 PM
I totally get what you are saying, and if they had started the season saying 'we'll just do our best and figure out the Championship game when we get there,' I would agree with you. But they didn't; they established a hard and fast rule that they are now ignoring, to the clear benefit of one team and detriment of another. That, IMO is what makes it completely inappropriate.


Yeah I can't weep for a team that is being harmed simply because the team benefitting couldn't play enough games AND beat the team being harmed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 08, 2020, 01:59:51 PM

You said "keep him eligible."  That doesn't speak to admissions.

Historically, the admissions process is focused on finding and admitting students who can succeed at a university. In more recent times, the prestige of the university has come into play.

But the issue is that you admit people who you can keep eligible. It's a little easier to stay eligible at Alabama, for example, with a very broad scale and scope of classes -- some easier than others -- and Vanderbilt, which is a much smaller university.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 08, 2020, 02:01:37 PM

Yeah I can't weep for a team that is being harmed simply because the team benefitting couldn't play enough games AND beat the team being harmed.



Like I said, I'm not weeping for IU, but it's really dumb of the conference to create a rule and then ignore it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 08, 2020, 02:18:49 PM

This is why I said that hard and fast rules don't make sense.  The B10 should do what it can to give Ohio State a chance to get to the playoffs. Indiana doesn't really deserve the Big Ten championship game based on on field results.  Ohio State beat them.  And Ohio State wasn't able to get games because of Covid issues.  Rearranging schedules to get Ohio State a game this weekend is appropriate.

the Pac-12 has been lucky (so to speak) in that they've been able to reschedule conference games because of multiple games being canceled each weekend so you had two teams without games. Unless the Big Ten has a second game canceled for this weekend what are they going to do; shift an opponent to play OSU (e.g., Illinois and tell another school who was supposed to play that school (e.g., Northwestern) "sorry, you're off this week?"

Colorado is getting screwed out in the Pac-12 South and the conference is not willing to do anything about it.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/12/07/cu-buffs-football-usc-trojans-punished-by-pac-12-coronavirus/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2020, 02:23:22 PM
Let's go #5 Texas A&M vs #4 Ohio State, make it work!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 08, 2020, 02:57:09 PM
Let's go #5 Texas A&M vs #4 Ohio State, make it work!!

I don't think there's incentive for TAMU to play that game. Lose and they are out of the playoff for sure. Don't play and there's a significant chance that they sneak in as the fourth team.

Cincy vs. Ohio State would make a lot of sense though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 08, 2020, 03:05:35 PM
UCLA and Jordan Brand announced an agreement today. 5th school to wear Jordan Brand for football.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on December 08, 2020, 03:34:34 PM
I stand with Kirk
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: BM1090 on December 08, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
I don't think there's incentive for TAMU to play that game. Lose and they are out of the playoff for sure. Don't play and there's a significant chance that they sneak in as the fourth team.

Cincy vs. Ohio State would make a lot of sense though.

Would love to see OSU travel down to play Coastal Carolina. Won't happen, though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 08, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
Would love to see OSU travel down to play Coastal Carolina. Won't happen, though.


They'd throttle them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on December 09, 2020, 11:39:42 AM
I get that it’s in OSU’s best interest, but it is also very much in the Big Ten’s interest to do this. Does OSU get into the playoffs without the Big Ten title game?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2020, 01:37:23 PM
I get that it’s in OSU’s best interest, but it is also very much in the Big Ten’s interest to do this. Does OSU get into the playoffs without the Big Ten title game?

They have before. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 09, 2020, 01:48:30 PM
I get that it’s in OSU’s best interest, but it is also very much in the Big Ten’s interest to do this. Does OSU get into the playoffs without the Big Ten title game?


They are currently #4 with only five games played, so it is very possible.

One other thing - if you schedule another game, they could lose. Or they could lose the title game. I get that that isn't very likely, but it's a potential downside that they would need to weigh vs the possibility that they could already get in at 5-0. It is not nearly so clear as 'schedule another game and they're in the playoffs' vs 'leave them at 5-0 and they'll be out.'
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: drewm88 on December 09, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1336723455681703941?s=20

@rodger
I am furious that the Big Ten is not following the rules it arbitrarily made up two months ago after deciding to cancel the season four months ago and then uncancel it three months ago
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on December 09, 2020, 02:43:28 PM
Don't change the rule. Hoosiers have the covid now anyway. MSU-PSU is a de facto semi final game this weekend and winner goes to the 'ship even though neither can get bowl eligible.  And in that championship the winner plays Northwestern.  Always root for the most BIG result. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on December 09, 2020, 04:41:09 PM
Big ten is a joke
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2020, 05:02:51 PM
Big ten is a joke

On and off the field
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 09, 2020, 06:18:05 PM
I always thought Jim Delaney was a pompous dbag and his actions, while benefitting the B10 well, negatively affected much in the college sports space at the time. But clearly he knew what he was doing and was a good commissioner.  Unlike Kevin Warren who seems to be over his head.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
Big ten is a joke

Well, look who "saved" it!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2020, 06:52:35 PM
Must you?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 09, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
Big Ten made a smart decision.  Ohio State deserves the spot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2020, 08:14:59 PM
It won’t happen but here’s hoping Northwestern beats ‘em
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 10, 2020, 02:55:41 PM
The SEC is expected to announce its new TV deal later today with ESPN/ABC.

CBS dropped out of the bidding at $300 million per season.Currently CBS pays $55 million per season.

This is from last December:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/SB-Blogs/Breaking-News/2019/12/SEC.aspx

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2020, 03:00:21 PM
The SEC is expected to announce its new TV deal later today with ESPN/ABC.

CBS dropped out of the bidding at $300 million per season.Currently CBS pays $55 million per season.

This is from last December:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/SB-Blogs/Breaking-News/2019/12/SEC.aspx

Amateurism
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 10, 2020, 03:10:18 PM
"It Just Means More"
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on December 10, 2020, 03:14:57 PM
The SEC is expected to announce its new TV deal later today with ESPN/ABC.

CBS dropped out of the bidding at $300 million per season.Currently CBS pays $55 million per season.

This is from last December:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/SB-Blogs/Breaking-News/2019/12/SEC.aspx

I thought ESPN was pretty strapped for cash after some bad TV Rights deals. Are they in better shape than a few years ago?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 10, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
I thought ESPN was pretty strapped for cash after some bad TV Rights deals. Are they in better shape than a few years ago?

savings from all of the layoffs, I guess.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 10, 2020, 03:24:44 PM
I thought ESPN was pretty strapped for cash after some bad TV Rights deals. Are they in better shape than a few years ago?


I'm sure they feel they will be able to earn more marginal revenue with this. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 10, 2020, 04:35:04 PM
The SEC is expected to announce its new TV deal later today with ESPN/ABC.

CBS dropped out of the bidding at $300 million per season.Currently CBS pays $55 million per season.

This is from last December:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/SB-Blogs/Breaking-News/2019/12/SEC.aspx

New deal is 10 years beginning 2024, low $300 millions per year.

Also announced as a part of Disney Investor Day...ESPN+ will be available to watch in the Hulu app interface.

There will also be new ESPN+ shows there will be other shows to with Stephen A Smith, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning etc...for those interested.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2020, 10:00:21 PM
New deal is 10 years beginning 2024, low $300 millions per year.

Also announced as a part of Disney Investor Day...ESPN+ will be available to watch in the Hulu app interface.

There will also be new ESPN+ shows there will be other shows to with Stephen A Smith, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning etc...for those interested.

Can I pay extra to NOT watch Stephen A. Smith?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: BM1090 on December 12, 2020, 12:55:54 PM

They'd throttle them.

I don't doubt that at all. I'd just like to see CC have a game that give them a legitimate shot to qualify.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
Lovie Smith continues to do a bang-up job at Illinois.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 12, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
At the risk of prompting more Vandy bashing...Sarah Fuller becomes the first woman to score a point in a P5 football game.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30504745/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-first-woman-score-power-5-football-game

Good on you, young lady!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 12, 2020, 04:58:29 PM
At the risk of prompting more Vandy bashing...Sarah Fuller becomes the first woman to score a point in a P5 football game.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30504745/vanderbilt-kicker-sarah-fuller-first-woman-score-power-5-football-game

Good on you, young lady!

Sarah’s consistent accurate range is anything inside of 35. 👍
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2020, 05:08:03 PM
I hate when Power 5 is said. Some might think  it's only dates back 9 years. Others will say what's a Power 5. Last, it's not even an official term.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 12, 2020, 05:13:03 PM
I hate when Power 5 is said. Some might think  it's only dates back 9 years. Others will say what's a Power 5. Last, it's not even an official term.


How's this: Sarah Fuller becomes the first woman to score a point for a football team in the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big Twelve or Pac 12?

Some might think that sentence is unwieldy. Others will say what's a Big Ten doing with fourteen schools? I guess at least the conference names are official.  :-\
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2020, 05:14:08 PM
Power 5 is fine. Everyone knows what you are talking about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 12, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
Kevin Sumlin is out at Arizona after last night’s 70-7 loss to ASU.

$7.3 million buyout
$10.4 million buyout 2017 Texas A&M

He’s just behind Charlie Weiss at ND, $18.9 million, and Will Muschamp at Florida and South Carolina, $21.8 million. (Steve Berkowitz)

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Johnny Manziel made Sumlin a lot of $$$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 12, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
I'm thinking 'you're fired' is a lot less painful when it's followed by 'enjoy your $17.7 million.'
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2020, 05:32:42 PM
Kevin Sumlin is out at Arizona after last night’s 70-7 loss to ASU.

$7.3 million buyout
$10.4 million buyout 2017 Texas A&M

He’s just behind Charlie Weiss at ND, $18.9 million, and Will Muschamp at Florida and South Carolina, $21.8 million. (Steve Berkowitz)

I thought he’d be great at A&M.  What a fall. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2020, 05:38:08 PM
Power 5 is fine. Everyone knows what you are talking about.
Those that follow the sport, sure. It wasn't that long ago some on here said what is a Power 5.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2020, 05:40:19 PM

How's this: Sarah Fuller becomes the first woman to score a point for a football team in the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big Twelve or Pac 12?

Some might think that sentence is unwieldy. Others will say what's a Big Ten doing with fourteen schools? I guess at least the conference names are official.  :-\

I was quoting the article's headline not you. Major conference? That can then go back decades further.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2020, 05:42:38 PM
Sark's name popping up for Arizona.

Iowa was +2 today. Easy winner!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2020, 06:30:46 PM
Johnny Manziel made Sumlin a lot of $$$.

Kliff Kingsbury made Sumlin a ton of money. Ignited his offense in Houston to get him the A&M job and then made it potent as hell with Manziel in College Station. The two of them leaving turned that offense impotent in a hurry.

And Sumlin could never manage a defense or put together the staff to build one, just relied on outscoring the other team. He couldn’t do the offense part on his own after that.

Also, I knew he was dead man walking in Tucson when he inherited Khalil Tate, one of the most electric weapons in CFB who was a running cheat code...and tried to make him into a pass heavy QB cause he couldn’t tailor an offense to him.

If Sark has gotten sober and his life together, I think he could be a great option there. Lower expectations than UW or USC and he just spent the last few years learning how to run a program under a legend. He’s still only 46, lot of time to turn his career around
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
Longhorns athletic director Chris Del Conte said that coach Tom Herman will be back in 2021.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2020, 07:09:02 PM
Longhorns athletic director Chris Del Conte said that coach Tom Herman will be back in 2021.

Not that he’s a hot commodity at the moment but I’d laugh my off of Herman took another job somewhere
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2020, 07:09:15 PM
Former Cincinnati and Tennessee coach Butch Jones will be the next coach at Arkansas State.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2020, 07:22:41 PM
Not that he’s a hot commodity at the moment but I’d laugh my off of Herman took another job somewhere

He’s due $6MM next year at a top 10 job. Nobody anywhere near UT prestige is gonna be looking at him, much less somewhere that can pay his salary and/or buyout.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Not that he’s a hot commodity at the moment but I’d laugh my off of Herman took another job somewhere

UT would love that. They could get rid of him without paying the buyout.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2020, 09:17:48 PM
He’s due $6MM next year at a top 10 job. Nobody anywhere near UT prestige is gonna be looking at him, much less somewhere that can pay his salary and/or buyout.

Given the history of Texas since Darrell Royal left, is it a top ten job?  I know people think it is, but look at the results of Texas football since 1977. 

8 conference championships since then.  Mack Brown won two conference championships and a national title.  One undefeated season in that span.

A state with multiple D-1 schools and one in the SEC.  It might be a top ten job but it’s not the slam dunk people think it is
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2020, 09:22:31 PM
Given the history of Texas since Darrell Royal left, is it a top ten job?  I know people think it is, but look at the results of Texas football since 1977. 

8 conference championships since then.  Mack Brown won two conference championships and a national title.  One undefeated season in that span.

A state with multiple D-1 schools and one in the SEC.  It might be a top ten job but it’s not the slam dunk people think it is

Yes, it is.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2020, 09:25:21 PM
Yes, it is.

If you had to list the top 10 jobs in college football, what are they?

There’s no right answer but it’s a fun discussion
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 12, 2020, 09:51:11 PM
Incredible game between LSU and Florida. LSU just hit a 57 yard field goal in the fog with 23 seconds to go to take a 37-34 lead.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2020, 09:58:58 PM
Incredible game between LSU and Florida. LSU just hit a 57 yard field goal in the fog with 23 seconds to go to take a 37-34 lead.

Incredible performance by LSU.  54 scholarship players, lose 4-5 more during the game with a true frosh at QB and win at the Swamp.  Had luck on their side tonight for sure but still a huge win
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2020, 09:59:33 PM
Incredible game between LSU and Florida. LSU just hit a 57 yard field goal in the fog with 23 seconds to go to take a 37-34 lead.

After the drive was extended because a player on Florida whipped an LSU player’s shoe after stopping them on third down.

College football is so great.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2020, 09:59:55 PM
In no particular order, Bama, Texas, LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, Florida, USC, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia.

Honestly, I think Texas is a top 5 job. Pay and talent within the state alone is enough to lure a top coach anytime it opens up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
In no particular order, Bama, Texas, LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, Florida, USC, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia.

Honestly, I think Texas is a top 5 job. Pay and talent within the state alone is enough to lure a top coach anytime it opens up.

Yeah except a lot of that talent doesn’t seem to want to play for Texas.

And this top 10 is good but I would put Michigan in instead of Oregon.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2020, 10:06:03 PM
In no particular order, Bama, Texas, LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, Florida, USC, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia.

Honestly, I think Texas is a top 5 job. Pay and talent within the state alone is enough to lure a top coach anytime it opens up.

Oodles of talent in the state but within your own league, you compete with 3 other state schools and multiple D1 schools.  On top of that, Oklahoma has a history of poaching talent and the SEC has a foothold with A&M.

Mack Brown did a great job there but he only won 2 league championships. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
Oodles of talent in the state but within your own league, you compete with 3 other state schools and multiple D1 schools.  On top of that, Oklahoma has a history of poaching talent and the SEC has a foothold with A&M.

Mack Brown did a great job there but he only won 2 league championships. 

Oklahoma is a better job than Texas over the last 25 years. Largely due to success. But Texas, with a competent coach, has nothing to fear from any other schools in the state. No kid grows up wanting to play for A&M unless their parents are Aggies. Texas, even in down years, still has the ear of every top recruit in the state. They’ve just made some bad coaching and administrative moves recently.  My sister moved to Dallas about 6 years ago and she couldn’t believe the aura around UT and it’s sports in Dallas even among non alums. It’s profound

Resources, talent pool, history, campus, reputation. Texas is as close to the total package as you can get.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 13, 2020, 01:40:35 AM
I'm a tad biased, but I think you underestimate the presence of A&M in the state. UT definitely has a bigger fanbase but A&M's extends far past their former students and their families. Plus, while many current recruits parents grew up Longhorn fans, the current recruits' formative years have seen mostly terrible football from the Longhorns while A&M has been on the rise. Throw in the fact that A&M gets to play Bama, LSU, Auburn, every year and you can see why they've been dominating Texas in in-state recruiting for the past 7 or 8 years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 07:42:31 AM
Oklahoma is a better job than Texas over the last 25 years. Largely due to success. But Texas, with a competent coach, has nothing to fear from any other schools in the state. No kid grows up wanting to play for A&M unless their parents are Aggies. Texas, even in down years, still has the ear of every top recruit in the state. They’ve just made some bad coaching and administrative moves recently.  My sister moved to Dallas about 6 years ago and she couldn’t believe the aura around UT and it’s sports in Dallas even among non alums. It’s profound

Resources, talent pool, history, campus, reputation. Texas is as close to the total package as you can get.


But despite this, it hasn't seemed to work out very often.  Why is that?

I've said this before, but I don't think the pull of UT is as strong as you claim.  I think a lot of the prospects don't necessarily have a loyalty to UT.  Texas is huge, with a lot of immigrants from other states, and a large number of four year institutions in state for one to have loyalty to.  And Dallas is as close to Norman, OK as it is to Austin.

Second, their conference situation isn't great.  They drove off two of the more marquee members of the conference, including their in-state rival to the SEC.  Outside of their game against Oklahoma, and possible OSU, who do you play?  As TAMU said, A&M has Alabama, Auburn and LSU every year, and occasional games against Florida, Georgia, etc.  And I would like to see the numbers, but it is quite possible that A&M will bring in more revenue with the new SEC TV contract than UT does. 

If I were UT I would approach the Big Ten about membership.  That would be a gold mine for them (and the rest of the B10 members) more than the B12 + Longhorn Network would be.  Try to keep Oklahoma on the schedule.  Try to bring back A&M. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 13, 2020, 08:17:45 AM

If I were UT I would approach the Big Ten about membership.  That would be a gold mine for them (and the rest of the B10 members) more than the B12 + Longhorn Network would be.  Try to keep Oklahoma on the schedule.  Try to bring back A&M.

I'm certainly not in the rooms where the scheduling happens, but what I've heard from some people in the athletic department is that A&M is and has been ready to resume the rivalry but UT has declined. What I've been told is that UT has no interest in resuming the rivalry until they are confident that they will win more games than they lose. As the programs currently are, A&M would be favored to win most years.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2020, 08:36:36 AM
I'm certainly not in the rooms where the scheduling happens, but what I've heard from some people in the athletic department is that A&M is and has been ready to resume the rivalry but UT has declined. What I've been told is that UT has no interest in resuming the rivalry until they are confident that they will win more games than they lose. As the programs currently are, A&M would be favored to win most years.

Put Texas, Nebraska and Michigan in a conference together and call it the “Remember When” league
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 08:37:22 AM
I'm certainly not in the rooms where the scheduling happens, but what I've heard from some people in the athletic department is that A&M is and has been ready to resume the rivalry but UT has declined. What I've been told is that UT has no interest in resuming the rivalry until they are confident that they will win more games than they lose. As the programs currently are, A&M would be favored to win most years.


Which is just hilarious. The mentality of "not wanting to play one of your rivals because they may beat you" is part of the problem.  What kind of message is that to send to your alumni, boosters and recruits?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 13, 2020, 09:38:44 AM
Put Texas, Nebraska and Michigan in a conference together and call it the “Remember When” league


Round it out with Penn State, Florida State and Virginia Tech...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 09:54:03 AM
LOL, prior to this year, Penn State has been in a "New Years Six" bowl three of the last four seasons.  Michigan two of the last four.

Just because Ohio State has become a dominant program, doesn't mean those programs have fallen off the face of the earth. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 13, 2020, 10:30:21 AM
LOL, prior to this year, Penn State has been in a "New Years Six" bowl three of the last four seasons.  Michigan two of the last four.

Just because Ohio State has become a dominant program, doesn't mean those programs have fallen off the face of the earth.


"Remember when" doesn't have to mean they have fallen off the face of the earth; it can also mean they're decent, but not dominant like they once were. This is a program that used to have 10, 11 and 12-win seasons as a matter of routine. 9 wins was a bad season. And that was back when they were an independent, so they didn't have 12 or 13 games before they ever got to the bowls....

The last decade has seen Penn State miss bowls altogether 3 times (including this year), and lose in the TicketCity Bowl and the TaxSlayer Bowl. Add another decade and you see the same thing - a couple of big bowl (Rose, Orange) appearances, but a bunch of total misses or mid-level bowls.

Overall, that shows a picture of a pretty good P5 program...not the kind of dominant program they were in their pre Big Ten days. Remember when?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2020, 10:46:28 AM
LOL, prior to this year, Penn State has been in a "New Years Six" bowl three of the last four seasons.  Michigan two of the last four.

Just because Ohio State has become a dominant program, doesn't mean those programs have fallen off the face of the earth.

You’d think the alums and fan bases of said programs would be happy.  You’d be wrong
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 11:25:28 AM
You’d think the alums and fan bases of said programs would be happy.  You’d be wrong

I don’t judge based on fanbases. I judge based on reality.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 13, 2020, 11:39:00 AM
Lovie Smith is out at Illinois.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 11:54:58 AM
Lovie Smith is out at Illinois.

Going to be interesting to see where they go here. It’s not a great program by any means but really could use a fresh approach and has resources. Also being in the Big Ten West helps.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Lovie Smith is out at Illinois.

Just wasn’t cutting it and the 28-7 loss yesterday had to be the last straw.

Illinois is a good college in a good conference and should expect more than an occasional win against also-rans. Something needed to happen and the something was NOT the Love train.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 13, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
Going to be interesting to see where they go here. It’s not a great program by any means but really could use a fresh approach and has resources. Also being in the Big Ten West helps.

Two intriguing names being thrown out as possibilities that would make sense from both sides are Bret Bielema and Lance Leipold.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 13, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
Going to be interesting to see where they go here. It’s not a great program by any means but really could use a fresh approach and has resources. Also being in the Big Ten West helps.

Lance Leipold, Jeff Monken, Sean Lewis are a few of the early names. (Two of those have been interviewed at Vandy along with Clark Lea, Jamey Chadwell who took a raise and extension at Coastal Carolina. Will Healy, Jonathan Hayes and Charles Huff have also interviewed at Vandy)

With Leipold, Illinois AD Josh Whitman was at Wisconsin-Lacrosse and Washington University in St. Louis as Leipold was at U of Wisconsin-Whitewater.

I keep hearing Leipold, Monken, and Jay Norvell repeatedly for open positions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2020, 12:32:51 PM

But despite this, it hasn't seemed to work out very often.  Why is that?

I've said this before, but I don't think the pull of UT is as strong as you claim.  I think a lot of the prospects don't necessarily have a loyalty to UT.  Texas is huge, with a lot of immigrants from other states, and a large number of four year institutions in state for one to have loyalty to.  And Dallas is as close to Norman, OK as it is to Austin.

Second, their conference situation isn't great.  They drove off two of the more marquee members of the conference, including their in-state rival to the SEC.  Outside of their game against Oklahoma, and possible OSU, who do you play?  As TAMU said, A&M has Alabama, Auburn and LSU every year, and occasional games against Florida, Georgia, etc.  And I would like to see the numbers, but it is quite possible that A&M will bring in more revenue with the new SEC TV contract than UT does. 

If I were UT I would approach the Big Ten about membership.  That would be a gold mine for them (and the rest of the B10 members) more than the B12 + Longhorn Network would be.  Try to keep Oklahoma on the schedule.  Try to bring back A&M.

Why hasn’t it worked lately? Cause CFB has changed and being a historic, well resourced program doesn’t guarantee success.  Their last 2 coaches (Strong and Herman) put up glossy records and numbers at good programs in mediocre conferences and struggled under the spotlights when they got to the big leagues. I think recent lack of success has been more about coaching, not program conditions .

As for the draw of UT, more than a decade since their last legit title run, their last 3 classes have all been top 10, and 2 were top 3/5.  Even Charlie Strong had multiple top 10 classes.  Talent attraction isn’t an issue.  I think it’s really been completely coaching.

Just wasn’t cutting it and the 28-7 loss yesterday had to be the last straw.

Illinois is a good college in a good conference and should expect more than an occasional win against also-rans. Something needed to happen and the something was NOT the Love train.

Based on what though?  Their two best seasons of the last 20 years was the Rose Bowl in 2007 where they got blown off the map and were only a 9-3 team before that and the 2001 team that won a REALLY mediocre B10 that year. Both years, the team wasn’t even top 10. They’ve finished in the top 25 3 times in 30 years and not for the last 15ish.

It’s a great school with success in various sports, but they have no football history to speak of. You need to go back to the 60s to find anything to latch on to for prestige. And now they are the CLEAR #2 program in their state.

Leipold would be a slam dunk if they could get him.

Monken would give a lot of pause cause I don’t see the Triple Option working in a P5 conference, especially the B10.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 13, 2020, 12:40:19 PM
Why hasn’t it worked lately? Cause CFB has changed and being a historic, well resourced program doesn’t guarantee success.  Their last 2 coaches (Strong and Herman) put up glossy records and numbers at good programs in mediocre conferences and struggled under the spotlights when they got to the big leagues. I think recent lack of success has been more about coaching, not program conditions .

As for the draw of UT, more than a decade since their last legit title run, their last 3 classes have all been top 10, and 2 were top 3/5.  Even Charlie Strong had multiple top 10 classes.  Talent attraction isn’t an issue.  I think it’s really been completely coaching.

Based on what though?  Their two best seasons of the last 20 years was the Rose Bowl in 2007 where they got blown off the map and were only a 9-3 team before that and the 2001 team that won a REALLY mediocre B10 that year. Both years, the team wasn’t even top 10. They’ve finished in the top 25 3 times in 30 years and not for the last 15ish.

It’s a great school with success in various sports, but they have no football history to speak of. You need to go back to the 60s to find anything to latch on to for prestige. And now they are the CLEAR #2 program in their state.

Leipold would be a slam dunk if they could get him.

Monken would give a lot of pause cause I don’t see the Triple Option working in a P5 conference, especially the B10.

For what it's worth, Jeff Monken has repeatedly said he would change and adapt his offense to suit his personnel at other schools. See Power 5 Schools. He also said this again when Vandy interviewed him for their current opening. This was also discussed when Boo Corrigan almost became Vandy's AD a few years ago.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 12:56:03 PM
Here’s the challenge Collège Football has. Once upon a time, it was about rivalries and about fellowship among nearby schools. Notre Dame and Michigan, for example, got together for some football, allowing the alumni of the two schools to come together, talk some trash, drink and have some bratwurst in the parking lot before going inside.

Same for Texas A&M/Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma or Texas, etc.

Now, it’s about programming and national visibility. And, when Texas makes its decision about where it wants to go, if anywhere, it’s about the Texas brand and little else. Go to the SEC IF Texas will benefit by better recruiting and stronger financials. It’s a bonus that they’ll hope to regularly play Alabama.

The fact that the A&M rivalry would be restored would be tangential to the decision. Sure, Texas would sell that in its decision, but it’s at best a tertiary factor to dollars and recruiting.

If Texas were to join the Big 10, it would be about enhancing the BIG brand. One would hope if they did, the school would bring along Oklahoma State and Oklahoma and maybe even Iowa State. The four of them would be a nice get for the BIG because of their historical rivalries and the chance to see new rivalries emerge.

But even that is far secondary to the Texas and BIG brand.

What’s interesting to conjecture is what happens to a couple of historically interesting Big 8/12 whatever programs. Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, the Oklahomas and West Virginia all would need a home. Absent abandoning football (which Kansas should do) and joining the BEast, the best these guys could hope for is the AAC. I would imagine Iowa State could fit in the BIG nicely (if Iowa didn’t scream) but the rest of them bring relatively little dollar wise.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Lance Leipold at Illinois would be the one guy that could make Badger fans a little uneasy.  That said, they’ll probably hire Doug Marrone
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 12:59:15 PM
There is zero chance that the Big Ten adds either Iowa State or Oklahoma State if they ever added Texas. Neither bring anything for the Big Ten that it doesn’t already have.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 13, 2020, 01:20:46 PM
There is zero chance that the Big Ten adds either Iowa State or Oklahoma State if they ever added Texas. Neither bring anything for the Big Ten that it doesn’t already have.

If Texas joins the Big Ten then the conference will target UNC or Georgia Tech. it’s all about TV markets. Both fit the academic profile too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 13, 2020, 01:23:57 PM
Gus Malzahn has been fired at Auburn.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2020, 01:25:07 PM
Gus Malzahn future endeavored.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Gus Malzahn has been fired at Auburn.

That’s been coming for a long time. Auburn thinks it should be competing for a Natty every year. That ain’t gonna happen in a state called Alabama
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2020, 01:29:40 PM
Malzahn’s buyout is $21.45 M, lol.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 01:32:57 PM
Malzahn will be able to choose among a number of jobs this year or next.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 01:38:48 PM
If I’m Gus, I’m thinking about my coaching days being over. A nice home on the water in Florida, a pretty wife and a reliable dog! What more does one need!

Gus would be a great get for Illinois.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 13, 2020, 01:46:28 PM

Gus would be a great get for Illinois.

Why bother with that headache? Take a southern job at a Group of 5 or lower program, collect money, compete for conference titles and live like a kind.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on December 13, 2020, 01:47:35 PM
SEC boosters don't care about a pandemic or economic depression
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 13, 2020, 01:50:11 PM
Gus Malzahn has been fired at Auburn.

Cristobal, Freeze, Napier, Elliott, Venables, are a few of the early names.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on December 13, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
Why bother with that headache? Take a southern job at a Group of 5 or lower program, collect money, compete for conference titles and live like a kind.

Ego.

Gus could do what dozens haven%u2019t %u2014 make Illinois a powerhouse. If he can do it in Auburn, Alabama, Champaign, IL is a snap.

Again, if I were Gus I would take my $21.5 million buyout and go enjoy myself. Do a Jimmy Johnson or an Urban Meyer and comment on college football. Yak it up with Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit, Desmond Howard and the gang.... and spend the rest of the week putzing.

Thats not the make-up of a college football coach!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on December 13, 2020, 02:01:02 PM
Cristobal, Freeze, Napier, Elliott, Venables, are a few of the early names.

I'd rather have Mulzahn than all of those guys except maaaayybe Cristobal. 

At this point, honestly, good for Mulzahn. He has a $21M buyout with 50% of it due within the next 30 days (HFS). He's been on the hot seat there for what feels like forever, and its always seemed completely unfounded. Not unreasonable to think he chills out for a bit, waits for Tennessee to open up and runs it back. Also wouldn't be surprised to see him land at Oklahoma State. Gundy's latest contract cut his buyout in half, and I think T. Boone is sick of him.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Is the CFP already set?  I mean, Bama is in no matter what.  Unless OSU loses the B1G title game by 59 (see what I did there?) or Clemson gets blown out by Notre Dame, is a 1 loss TAMU that didn't play in its conference title game jumping any of these teams with a loss?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2020, 02:06:33 PM
Also, if I have a daughter who one day shows an interest in football, is it okay for me to point to Sarah Fuller as an inspiration for her now that she's scored some points and didn't just have a ''gimmick squib kick that anyone on the team could've done and that took no preparation for?"  Or do I have to wait for someone to make more than a simple extra point?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2020, 02:07:00 PM
Ego.

Gus could do what dozens haven%u2019t %u2014 make Illinois a powerhouse. If he can do it in Auburn, Alabama, Champaign, IL is a snap.

Again, if I were Gus I would take my $21.5 million buyout and go enjoy myself. Do a Jimmy Johnson or an Urban Meyer and comment on college football. Yak it up with Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit, Desmond Howard and the gang.... and spend the rest of the week putzing.

Thats not the make-up of a college football coach!

FWIW, Gus isn’t the typical CFB coach. He didn’t become a college coach at any level until age 40. His story is one of the most amazing to me. In 7 seasons, he went from HS football coach to the HC at a top 15 college job 2 seasons removed from a national championship.  He parlayed a very impressive HS coaching record and an incredible class of seniors into the Arkansas OC gig and was off and running.

So I guess my point is he’s not the insane college grinder who has been doing it for 25 years from a position coach at a school out of college. He didn’t even major CFB after leaving Arkansas in college. He may be ok cruising for a bit
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2020, 02:07:07 PM
I'd rather have Mulzahn than all of those guys except maaaayybe Cristobal. 

At this point, honestly, good for Mulzahn. He has a $21M buyout with 50% of it due within the next 30 days (HFS). He's been on the hot seat there for what feels like forever, and its always seemed completely unfounded. Not unreasonable to think he chills out for a bit, waits for Tennessee to open up and runs it back. Also wouldn't be surprised to see him land at Oklahoma State. Gundy's latest contract cut his buyout in half, and I think T. Boone is sick of him.

T. Boone pull a Lazarus?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2020, 02:07:56 PM
Also, if I have a daughter who one day shows an interest in football, is it okay for me to point to Sarah Fuller as an inspiration for her now that she's scored some points and didn't just have a ''gimmick squib kick that anyone on the team could've done and that took no preparation for?"  Or do I have to wait for someone to make more than a simple extra point?

You need permission from at least 9 Scoopers, silly!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on December 13, 2020, 02:16:42 PM
T. Boone pull a Lazarus?

LOL.  Man I'm stupid.  I've always just equated him with OK St. sports more than like, identifying whether he's actually among the living.

Although the point holds inasmuch as it seems like the OK St. powers that be (living and dead) are tired of Gundy's schtick.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
Auburn and Hugh Freeze are a match made in heaven
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2020, 03:41:36 PM
LOL.  Man I'm stupid.  I've always just equated him with OK St. sports more than like, identifying whether he's actually among the living.

Although the point holds inasmuch as it seems like the OK St. powers that be (living and dead) are tired of Gundy's schtick.

T Boone dying probably has something to do with it. When he was alive, he was the end all be all with OK St sports. If he liked Gundy, which he did, then nobody was going to move him.

I will say this...if people are tired of Gundy’s personality or outspoken persona, fair enough. But if it’s purely a football decision, it’s probably quite stupid. People don’t realize how TERRIBLE OK St football is historically. Gundy has the only outright Big 12 (or Big 8) title in program history.  They hadn’t sniffed top 10 rankings or major bowls since the early/mid 80s when they had Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders. Hell, Les Miles didn’t even have top 25 squads there before he left for LSU.  Gundy is far from perfect, but what he’s done there football wise is pretty remarkable in the grand scheme of things. It’s far more likely they fall back into near irrelevance than take the next step if they move on from him. Even with money, I don’t know who is going to clamor for a job that is MAYBE 5th at best in the B12
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 13, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
Also, if I have a daughter who one day shows an interest in football, is it okay for me to point to Sarah Fuller as an inspiration for her now that she's scored some points and didn't just have a ''gimmick squib kick that anyone on the team could've done and that took no preparation for?"  Or do I have to wait for someone to make more than a simple extra point?


You're good.

I texted my 24-year old daughter as soon as I saw the stories - first that she was playing at all, and then yesterday when she hit the XP. She was thrilled that a young woman accomplished this.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2020, 04:21:29 PM
T Boone dying probably has something to do with it. When he was alive, he was the end all be all with OK St sports. If he liked Gundy, which he did, then nobody was going to move him.

I will say this...if people are tired of Gundy’s personality or outspoken persona, fair enough. But if it’s purely a football decision, it’s probably quite stupid. People don’t realize how TERRIBLE OK St football is historically. Gundy has the only outright Big 12 (or Big 8) title in program history.  They hadn’t sniffed top 10 rankings or major bowls since the early/mid 80s when they had Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders. Hell, Les Miles didn’t even have top 25 squads there before he left for LSU.  Gundy is far from perfect, but what he’s done there football wise is pretty remarkable in the grand scheme of things. It’s far more likely they fall back into near irrelevance than take the next step if they move on from him. Even with money, I don’t know who is going to clamor for a job that is MAYBE 5th at best in the B12

Gundy might want to move on to a program like Auburn at this point too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2020, 05:00:51 PM
Gundy might want to move on to a program like Auburn at this point too.

Fair point as well. People associate him so strongly with OSU at this point, but people looking for a coach could do FAR worse. I think he’d probably do quite well at a traditional power
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on December 13, 2020, 05:10:56 PM
Fair point as well. People associate him so strongly with OSU at this point, but people looking for a coach could do FAR worse. I think he’d probably do quite well at a traditional power

The more I think about it, he's already kind of a composite character of SEC coaches. If you cast a spell over a pot containing parts of Lane Kiffin, Bret Bielema and Mike Leach, Gundy would pop out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 13, 2020, 05:29:59 PM
Also, if I have a daughter who one day shows an interest in football, is it okay for me to point to Sarah Fuller as an inspiration for her now that she's scored some points and didn't just have a ''gimmick squib kick that anyone on the team could've done and that took no preparation for?"  Or do I have to wait for someone to make more than a simple extra point?

A young woman had already accomplished it, twice, and she has to overcome being raped by a teammate and belittled by a new coach, both of which caused her to have to transfer to a new school. I don’t understand why Katie Hnida has been relegated to the dust bin of history here.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2020, 05:34:04 PM
A young woman had already accomplished it, twice, and she has to overcome being raped by a teammate and belittled by a new coach, both of which caused her to have to transfer to a new school. I don’t understand why Katie Hnida has been relegated to the dust bin of history here.

So in a word, the answer is “No.” thank you for clarifying. I will not celebrate Fuller.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 13, 2020, 05:36:32 PM
So in a word, the answer is “No.” thank you for clarifying. I will not celebrate Fuller.

I didn’t say you shouldn’t “celebrate” her (classic woke all or nothing response) but don’t ignore a true trailblazer who had to overcome truly horrific obstacles.

https://deadspin.com/talking-about-sarah-fuller-as-a-first-avoids-the-unco-1845872824
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2020, 05:51:30 PM
I didn’t say you shouldn’t “celebrate” her (classic woke all or nothing response) but don’t ignore a true trailblazer who had to overcome truly horrific obstacles.

https://deadspin.com/talking-about-sarah-fuller-as-a-first-avoids-the-unco-1845872824

What is “woke” about celebrating the first female to score points in a Power 5 NCAA Football game? Seems like you’re the “woke” one with your “what about...?”

Congratulations to Sarah Fuller. An awesome accomplishment. Just as was kicking off last weekend.

If there was an MUScoop when I was in 6th grade, I might’ve even celebrated Katie Hnida (phone originally autocorrected that to “Honda”) then.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 13, 2020, 06:55:24 PM

Congratulations to Sarah Fuller. An awesome accomplishment. Just as was kicking off last weekend.

If there was an MUScoop when I was in 6th grade, I might’ve even celebrated Katie Honda then.



This. No reason we can’t celebrate both.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2020, 11:27:44 PM
Lovie Smith gets the heave-ho from U of Urbana.

Looks like buyout was a little more than $2M. A "bargain" in this day and age.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 14, 2020, 10:23:35 AM
The cat is now out of the bag at Vandy. Clark Lea will be named their new head coach shortly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 14, 2020, 10:41:08 AM
The cat is now out of the bag at Vandy. Clark Lea will be named their new head coach shortly.

Lea was Vandy's first interview. While many were considered, Lea, Chadwell, Healy, and Leipold were their top four candidates. Lea and Leipold were the final two.

Clark Lea is from Nashville, has family there, played baseball at Belmont, and, played football at Vandy. He was endorsed by a who's who of Vandy people, his friend and Vandy baseball coach Tim Corbin, recently retired 20 year VU SID Larry Leathers, and several others. The expectation is that he would be able to put together a strong staff, use his fundraising connections, and implement a creative/innovative offense to go along with his defensive background. (He played offense at VU)

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 15, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
Florida drops only one spot in the new cfp rankings.  ::)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 15, 2020, 07:39:45 PM
Florida drops only one spot in the new cfp rankings.  ::)

Iowa State moved up to 6 after their big win this weekend
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 15, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
Florida drops only one spot in the new cfp rankings.  ::)


Even if they beat Alabama, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs with two losses as long as there are 0 or 1-loss teams around like Clemson, Ohio State, Texas A&M, and yes, even Notre Dame.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 15, 2020, 08:35:18 PM
I think the committee has basically done a good job in the past. I think they’re in the tank for $$$ this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on December 16, 2020, 10:29:19 AM
Want to feel old?
Ron Powlus III signed a LOI today to play at Notre Dame.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 16, 2020, 10:41:32 AM
Want to feel old?
Ron Powlus III signed a LOI today to play at Notre Dame.

So the Heismans for 2021-23 are locked up right? 

All humor aside, his father wasn't THAT bad for Notre Dame, but I think he made a mistake playing for Holtz and Holtz made a mistake recruiting him.  Holtz always succeeded with dual option quarterbacks (Kevin McDougal, Tony Rice) and Powlus definitely wasn't that. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on December 16, 2020, 11:05:28 AM
I think we have a winner for best name of the 2021 recruiting class.

https://247sports.com/player/general-booty-46058082/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 16, 2020, 11:33:56 AM
I think we have a winner for best name of the 2021 recruiting class.

https://247sports.com/player/general-booty-46058082/

He's no Hingle McCringleberry.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 16, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
I think we have a winner for best name of the 2021 recruiting class.

https://247sports.com/player/general-booty-46058082/


His parents should have named him 'Big.' Unless maybe that's his sister's name....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 16, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
Hingle McCringleberry.

New flavor from Ben & Jerry's?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 17, 2020, 10:14:56 AM
What season is it???

Flightaware season!!!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/RJC464/history/20201217/1355Z/KAUO/KBMG
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2020, 10:31:08 AM
I think we have a winner for best name of the 2021 recruiting class.

https://247sports.com/player/general-booty-46058082/

I salute him, though he is a bit of an arse.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 18, 2020, 10:37:38 AM
Friday, Dec. 18
Nebraska at Rutgers | 6:30 p.m. | Big Ten Network
UAB at Marshall (CUSA Championship Game) | 6 p.m. | CBSSN
Buffalo vs. Ball State (MAC Championship Game in Detroit, Michigan) | 6:30 p.m. | ESPN
Purdue at No. 11 Indiana — CANCELED
Oregon at No. 13 USC (Pac-12 Championship Game) | 7 p.m. | FOX

Saturday, Dec. 19
No. 4 Ohio State vs. No. 14 Northwestern (Big Ten Championship Game in Indianapolis, Indiana) | 11am. | FOX
No. 5 Texas A&M at Tennessee | 11am | ESPN
No. 6 Iowa State vs. No. 10 Oklahoma (Big 12 Championship Game in Arlington, Texas) | 11am | ABC
Florida State at Wake Forest | 11am| ACC Network
Washington State at Utah | 12:30 p.m. | FS1
Air Force at Army | 2 p.m. | CBSSN
No. 19 Louisiana at No. 12 Coastal Carolina (Sun Belt Championship Game) — CANCELED
Ole Miss at LSU | 2:30 p.m. | SEC Network
Missouri at Mississippi State | 2:30 p.m. | SEC Network (Alternate)
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 3 Clemson (ACC Championship Game in Charlotte, North Carolina) | 3 p.m. | ABC
Minnesota at Wisconsin | 3 p.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 24 San Jose State vs. Boise State (Mountain West Championship Game in Las Vegas, Nevada) | 3:15 p.m. | FOX
SMU vs. UTSA (Frisco Bowl) — CANCELED
Illinois at Penn State | 4:30 p.m. | FS1
Michigan at No. 16 Iowa — CANCELED
Michigan State at Maryland — CANCELED
No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 7 Florida (SEC Championship Game in Atlanta, Georgia) | 7 p.m. | CBS
No. 23 Tulsa at No. 9 Cincinnati (AAC Championship Game) | 7 p.m. | ABC
Stanford at UCLA | 6 p.m. | ESPN2
Arizona State at Oregon State | 9:30 p.m. | ESPN
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 18, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
Brian Kelly threatening to skip the CFP if families of players aren't allowed to attend.  Is this him worrying about families, or putting the lives of humans at risk for football again?  Or is it him just not wanting to lose by about 40 in another CFP semifinal?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on December 18, 2020, 11:46:30 AM
Brian Kelly threatening to skip the CFP if families of players aren't allowed to attend.  Is this him worrying about families, or putting the lives of humans at risk for football again?  Or is it him just not wanting to lose by about 40 in another CFP semifinal?

He's killed before, and once they get the taste for human blood...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 18, 2020, 12:34:08 PM
Brian Kelly threatening to skip the CFP if families of players aren't allowed to attend.  Is this him worrying about families, or putting the lives of humans at risk for football again?  Or is it him just not wanting to lose by about 40 in another CFP semifinal?


After they lose by 40 tomorrow, it might not be an issue....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 18, 2020, 12:38:44 PM

After they lose by 40 tomorrow, it might not be an issue....

Think they'd still be in.

Also, will Lance Leipold get the Illinois job?  I think you could certainly do worse.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 18, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
Notre Dame will be in regardless.  But if they get crushed, and they whine about no family, then the CFP should just take A&M.

Illinois interviewed Leipold and Beilema this week.  Rumor is they are also looking at Dave Clawson (Wake) and Todd Monken (Army).  If I were a betting man, I would guess Leipold is announced there sometime this weekend after the MAC Championship Game tonight.  (I don't know anything.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 18, 2020, 02:37:55 PM
Brian Kelly threatening to skip the CFP if families of players aren't allowed to attend.  Is this him worrying about families, or putting the lives of humans at risk for football again?  Or is it him just not wanting to lose by about 40 in another CFP semifinal?

I find it hilarious that BK is feigning concern for anyone other than himself, which flies directly in the face of his background and behavior his entire career. I have a friend that played for him at Cincy (inherited, as he was recruited and signed by Dantonio) and he basically said he was a very good coach but an abysmal human that had very little relationship with his players and nobody was sad when he left.

I also saw people saying Clemson-ND was that a**hole bowl and saying Dabo hasn’t killed anyone *YET* and linked some COVID article which was eye roll worthy.

Notre Dame will be in regardless.  But if they get crushed, and they whine about no family, then the CFP should just take A&M.

Illinois interviewed Leipold and Beilema this week.  Rumor is they are also looking at Dave Clawson (Wake) and Todd Monken (Army).  If I were a betting man, I would guess Leipold is announced there sometime this weekend after the MAC Championship Game tonight.  (I don't know anything.)


Clawson is actually a really solid option. Dude won at multiple levels, did well at a dump which is BG, and while he’s not been stellar at Wake, that’s a near impossible place to win with absolutely no history. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2020, 07:59:33 AM
Looks like Illinois is going with Beilema.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on December 19, 2020, 08:22:29 AM
Looks like Illinois is going with Beilema.

Not the most exciting hire, but hey could and have done much worse.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
I could see how it would work.  He knows the Big Ten, he has an engaging personality and can recruit well. 

But in his best years at Wisconsin, he had Paul Chryst as his offensive coordinator and Dave Doeren (current NC State head coach) as his defensive coordinator.  And even when Doeren left, he hired Chris Ash as his DC.  So how much was their success due to him, or due to his staff?

At Arkansas, he never got the staff right.  And while he looked like he was just about there at times, playing Alabama, Auburn and LSU every year was a hard thing to overcome.  (And it will be hard for Arkansas to overcome for a long time.)  Part of this was because he didn't pull a bunch of his staff from Wisconsin to Arkansas.  Word is, that he's not the most likeable guy and burned a lot of bridges both at UW and Arkansas.

This is probably why some of the Illinois AD's statements about him being a "lifelong learner" struck me as interesting.  I think the AD knows some of this, and pressed it during his interview.  Which is a good thing.  We will see where it goes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
I could see how it would work.  He knows the Big Ten, he has an engaging personality and can recruit well. 

But in his best years at Wisconsin, he had Paul Chryst as his offensive coordinator and Dave Doeren (current NC State head coach) as his defensive coordinator.  And even when Doeren left, he hired Chris Ash as his DC.  So how much was their success due to him, or due to his staff?

At Arkansas, he never got the staff right.  And while he looked like he was just about there at times, playing Alabama, Auburn and LSU every year was a hard thing to overcome.  (And it will be hard for Arkansas to overcome for a long time.)  Part of this was because he didn't pull a bunch of his staff from Wisconsin to Arkansas.  Word is, that he's not the most likeable guy and burned a lot of bridges both at UW and Arkansas.

This is probably why some of the Illinois AD's statements about him being a "lifelong learner" struck me as interesting.  I think the AD knows some of this, and pressed it during his interview.  Which is a good thing.  We will see where it goes.

I’m excited for the same people that spent years telling me what a great coach he was now telling me he was never that good all over again
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2020, 12:44:39 PM
Looks like Illinois is going with Beilema.

Does he still have his Vegas stripper wife? 

I still can’t believe that meathead hooked up with Erin Andrews.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 19, 2020, 12:46:07 PM
Cmon Cats, finish the job...
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on December 19, 2020, 12:51:15 PM


I still can’t believe that meathead hooked up with Erin Andrew’s.
Who is Erin Andrew, and with what part of her did he hook up?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
I’ve done a 180 on Justin Fields. I have major concerns about him at the next level. I’ve watched most of their games this year, and I don’t think I could invest a top 10 pick in him. I think he has a high ceiling, but he’s made more than one games worth of poor decision making.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 19, 2020, 01:27:59 PM
I’ve done a 180 on Justin Fields. I have major concerns about him at the next level. I’ve watched most of their games this year, and I don’t think I could invest a top 10 pick in him. I think he has a high ceiling, but he’s made more than one games worth of poor decision making.

In fairness, Northwestern’s secondary may be the best in the country.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
In fairness, Northwestern’s secondary may be the best in the country.

I’m talking totality of this season. He has moments that are outstanding, but way too many times I’ve watched him this year and came away uninspired.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 19, 2020, 01:36:24 PM
In fairness, Northwestern’s secondary may be the best in the country.


But Dish noted that Fields has had 'more than one game' where his decisionmaking was suspect. One game against NU? No big deal. But an emerging pattern? Big deal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 19, 2020, 01:48:44 PM
Cmon Cats, finish the job...

They gonna need to start tackling Sermon before he gets 15 yards.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
I’ve done a 180 on Justin Fields. I have major concerns about him at the next level. I’ve watched most of their games this year, and I don’t think I could invest a top 10 pick in him. I think he has a high ceiling, but he’s made more than one games worth of poor decision making.

I will go on the record to say I absolutely do not want the Panthers to draft him if he's available.

In fairness, Northwestern’s secondary may be the best in the country.

You know who has secondaries even better than Northwestern's? Every NFL team.


But Dish noted that Fields has had 'more than one game' where his decisionmaking was suspect. One game against NU? No big deal. But an emerging pattern? Big deal.

Yep. Hard pass.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 19, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
I’m talking totality of this season. He has moments that are outstanding, but way too many times I’ve watched him this year and came away uninspired.


That’s fair. Dropping just far enough for the Bears to pick him up at 14.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2020, 02:10:34 PM
I think Fields would have to have a red shirt year his rookie season. He’d have to go to a team with a good coordinator and QB coach. I don’t think he sucks or anything like that, but how he sees the field, his decision making, the speed of defenses in the NFL will hurt his passing game.

He’s athletic, has good running vision, I like his arm, but if I’m a GM holding a top 10 pick, I don’t know if I could take Fields. Especially with a fairly loaded offensive group of talent in round 1 next year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2020, 02:13:18 PM
I would put A&M in the CFP before OSU. It won’t happen I know.

Unless Northwestern makes a comeback here, A&M has to hope for a Clemson loss.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 19, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
They gonna need to start tackling Sermon before he gets 15 yards.

And thats the end of that
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 19, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
Does he still have his Vegas stripper wife? 

I still can’t believe that meathead hooked up with Erin Andrew’s.

No no, she’s just a generic Florida bimbo he met in Vegas. PJ Fleck is the one who married a stripper, a Kalamazoo stripper nonetheless.

And I’m nearly positive Wisconsin fans started that EA rumor to make Bielema seem like anything but the bloated lush gaming on every girl on State St he was.  No way the dude with his off the field antics and profile was wooing EA at the height of her fame when every athlete was shooting their shot.


But Dish noted that Fields has had 'more than one game' where his decisionmaking was suspect. One game against NU? No big deal. But an emerging pattern? Big deal.

Agreed. For lack of a better phrase, Fields needs to be humbled. He’s too confident in his arm and superior athleticism. And that’s not the “confidence” you want in a QB. It’s the arrogance that leads to picks and bad decisions time and time again.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 19, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Easy cover at least
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Pakuni on December 19, 2020, 03:22:23 PM
How many SEC teams would have gone unbeaten against a Big 10 schedule this year? Four? Five?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2020, 03:27:09 PM
How many SEC teams would have gone unbeaten against a Big 10 schedule this year? Four? Five?

Yep. And if ND ends up beating Clemson again the Tigers better not get into the CFP.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2020, 03:56:21 PM
Who is Erin Andrew, and with what part of her did he hook up?

Damn iPad auto correct. 😤😤😤
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 19, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
Yep. And if ND ends up beating Clemson again the Tigers better not get into the CFP.

They wouldn't. But I find it highly unlikely they lose this game. Especially with the early lead now.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on December 19, 2020, 04:09:10 PM
Someone who is paid by a state university referring to Bert as a lifelong learner is really something.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2020, 04:29:09 PM
Can we please leave ND out of the CFP? We’ve seen what happens when they play in big games. It isn’t pretty. We don’t need to see Bama beat them by 57.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 19, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
Can we please leave ND out of the CFP? We’ve seen what happens when they play in big games. It isn’t pretty. We don’t need to see Bama beat them by 57.

If this game stays a route, I think they get left out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 19, 2020, 04:48:00 PM
If this game stays a route, I think they get left out.

Dabo is notorious for calling off the dogs in beatdowns, but I don’t think he would tonight
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2020, 04:49:43 PM
Can we just put Cinci in please? Unless FL wins tonight. But I’ve seen TAMU vs. Bama already, too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Just have Bama and Clemson play.  Thanks
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 19, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
If Clemson keeps its foot on the gas, I think ND gets left out and Texas A&M gets in. They certainly deserve a shot. And it will have become clear that ND only beat Clemson because Lawrence was out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 19, 2020, 05:03:54 PM
Dabo is notorious for calling off the dogs in beatdowns, but I don’t think he would tonight

Yup highly unlikely. Its all up to ND to naturally show some life.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2020, 05:09:53 PM
If Clemson keeps its foot on the gas, I think ND gets left out and Texas A&M gets in. They certainly deserve a shot. And it will have become clear that ND only beat Clemson because Lawrence was out.

And 3 other defensive contributors were out.

Bama vs. Coastal Carolina and Clemson vs. Cinci. Would be about what Bama vs. TAMU was and Clemson vs. ND is.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 19, 2020, 05:13:12 PM
Just have Bama and Clemson play.  Thanks


Clearly the two best teams overall.

The CFP was created because there always seemed to be a third team that had a legitimate argument. This year one and two are totally obvious, and the bigger argument is who should be fifth.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2020, 05:19:09 PM
Unle$$ I’m mi$taken, Clem$on ha$ a lot of rea$on$ to take their foot off the ga$.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2020, 05:20:45 PM

Clearly the two best teams overall.

The CFP was created because there always seemed to be a third team that had a legitimate argument. This year one and two are totally obvious, and the bigger argument is who should be fifth.

The discrepancy between the top programs in the nation and the rest is getting wider.  I’m sure that’s regency bias but it’s amazing Clemson and Alabama keep churning along with early entrees and staff turnover.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 19, 2020, 05:23:03 PM
The discrepancy between the top programs in the nation and the rest is getting wider.  I’m sure that’s regency bias but it’s amazing Clemson and Alabama keep churning along with early entrees and staff turnover.
I love cellphone autocorrect.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 19, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
Unle$$ I’m mi$taken, Clem$on ha$ a lot of rea$on$ to take their foot off the ga$.


They seem to be still playing. Or maybe they are taking it easy and ND just can’t tackle them anymore.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 19, 2020, 06:10:56 PM



The CFP was created because there always seemed to be a third team that had a legitimate argument.
The straw that broke the camels back was the SEC rematch of LSU/Alabama that started the CFP.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2020, 06:13:32 PM
I love cellphone autocorrect.

I stand by what I posted.  Regency bias is real and a worldwide problem
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 19, 2020, 06:26:37 PM
And Alabama and Clemson with their early entrees?    Senior citizen happy hour at Bob Evans?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 19, 2020, 06:39:52 PM
The discrepancy between the top programs in the nation and the rest is getting wider. 

I blame the Fed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2020, 06:49:54 PM
And Alabama and Clemson with their early entrees?    Senior citizen happy hour at Bob Evans?

I stand by what I posted.  Senior citizens are ravaging their programs
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
I find it difficult to feel too sorry for whichever team is left out.

ND? Don't lose your biggest game by 1,000 points (again). And maybe don't make threats you won't follow through on.

Texas A&M? Don't open the season with a 5-point win over a Vanderbilt team that couldn't beat middle-school teams, and don't follow that with a 1,000-point loss to Alabama.

Cinci? Coastal Carolina? Don't play in the G-League.

I know that Ohio State didn't do anything to "earn" a playoff berth, but they did beat one more good team than Cinci and Coastal Carolina did. And they're Ohio State, which shouldn't really matter but does. Just trying to be realistic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 19, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Najee Harris is pretty good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 19, 2020, 10:22:55 PM
Rose Bowl CFP Semi Final moving to Dallas.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on December 19, 2020, 10:51:09 PM
Rose Bowl CFP Semi Final moving to Dallas.

Sounds very political
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2020, 11:00:38 PM
Rose Bowl CFP Semi Final moving to Dallas.

Because their parents can’t be there?  Is this a middle school track meet?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 20, 2020, 01:25:58 PM
ND made it.


Bama by 30
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 20, 2020, 01:38:06 PM
ND made it.


Bama by 30

ND was locked in once they beat Clemson and then didn’t trip in their only other challenge against UNC. But I don’t think anyone thinks they are a contender anymore. Ian Book will be seeing ghosts in a hurry and ND won’t be able to stop Harris or Smith and ND fans can go home with 3rd not even competitive participation medal in the BK era
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 20, 2020, 02:37:18 PM
3-5 Nebraska ‘opts out’ of bowls.

Uhhhh, OK...🤣
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 20, 2020, 04:34:57 PM
3-5 Nebraska ‘opts out’ of bowls.

Uhhhh, OK...🤣

Wonder if the players’ parents will sue so they can play.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 20, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
Wonder if the players’ parents will sue so they can play.


Yep. Nebraska was the loudest whiner when the B10 originally canceled the season, yet now they 'opt out' of a theoretical chance for one more game. "Let them play," huh?

It's basically irrelevant though, since no bowl would want a 3-5 team that didn't beat a single team with a winning record.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 20, 2020, 06:02:10 PM
Nothing like these bowl tie in per conference. Army gets screwed, while Tennessee and South Carolina will be in a bowl game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2020, 06:42:49 PM
ND made it.


Bama by 30

Bama opens as 19.5-point favorite. That's a lot of effen points! I know I couldn't bet it; I mean, a team could totally dominate, have a 27-0 lead, but then give up a TD and 2-pt conversion with 30 seconds to go and only win by 19.

But I do think Bama will win going away.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 21, 2020, 07:14:16 AM

That’s fair. Dropping just far enough for the Bears to pick him up at 14.

He'll be around then, but they'll probably trade up to #2 to get him.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 21, 2020, 03:26:56 PM
Me thinks Fitz is on the move this offseason.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 21, 2020, 04:43:51 PM
Me thinks Fitz is on the move this offseason.


Da Bears?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
Instead of preparing for Texas A&M, North Carolina’s leading tackler, leading rusher and leading receiver will instead start getting ready for the NFL Draft.

Linebacker Chazz Surratt, running back Michael Carter and wide receiver Dyami Brown all announced Monday over social media that their college football careers will end short of appearing with the Tar Heels in the Orange Bowl. Surratt and Carter were both seniors; Brown was a junior.


I think doing this just about always makes sense. And this year, it makes more sense than ever. Good for them. I wish them long, lucrative pro careers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on December 22, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
Here’s the challenge Collège Football has. Once upon a time, it was about rivalries and about fellowship among nearby schools. Notre Dame and Michigan, for example, got together for some football, allowing the alumni of the two schools to come together, talk some trash, drink and have some bratwurst in the parking lot before going inside.

Same for Texas A&M/Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma or Texas, etc.

Now, it’s about programming and national visibility. And, when Texas makes its decision about where it wants to go, if anywhere, it’s about the Texas brand and little else. Go to the SEC IF Texas will benefit by better recruiting and stronger financials. It’s a bonus that they’ll hope to regularly play Alabama.

The fact that the A&M rivalry would be restored would be tangential to the decision. Sure, Texas would sell that in its decision, but it’s at best a tertiary factor to dollars and recruiting.

If Texas were to join the Big 10, it would be about enhancing the BIG brand. One would hope if they did, the school would bring along Oklahoma State and Oklahoma and maybe even Iowa State. The four of them would be a nice get for the BIG because of their historical rivalries and the chance to see new rivalries emerge.

But even that is far secondary to the Texas and BIG brand.

What’s interesting to conjecture is what happens to a couple of historically interesting Big 8/12 whatever programs. Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, the Oklahomas and West Virginia all would need a home. Absent abandoning football (which Kansas should do) and joining the BEast, the best these guys could hope for is the AAC. I would imagine Iowa State could fit in the BIG nicely (if Iowa didn’t scream) but the rest of them bring relatively little dollar wise.

You are spot on the description of how things used to be. In the glory days of College Football, teams were only allowed on TV twice a year. So to see your team play you had to go the game.  The local rivalries were covered in depth by Sports Illustrated and The local press . As such there was a great build up to the games. Even games that had no meaning at the end of the season were very well attended.

Another changing event was the cap on scholarships. In the glory days most conferences had a couple of strong teams, one or two medium and the rest fought for the scraps . Now the talent is dispersed and every one can now be seen on TV. 

So it really all comes down to coaching no matter where you are at.  In addition to the head coach, College Football requires a lot of high talented offensive and defensive coordinators and position coaches. When I look at Texas they are probably best staying where they are at and  building their program into a consistent challenger for their conference title. That is the best way to build their Longhorn Brand.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 22, 2020, 08:04:17 PM
Bryan Harsin from Boise St. is the new Auburn Head Coach.

So, Auburn fires a former Arkansas State Head Coach. Then they pass on hiring a different former Arkansas State Head Coach. Ultimately, they hire yet a different former Arkansas State Head Coach. Somewhere a former assistant Arkansas State Head Coach to both the new and recently dismissed Head Coach, and current fellow SEC Head Coach, nods.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 22, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
You are spot on the description of how things used to be. In the glory days of College Football, teams were only allowed on TV twice a year. So to see your team play you had to go the game.  The local rivalries were covered in depth by Sports Illustrated and The local press . As such there was a great build up to the games. Even games that had no meaning at the end of the season were very well attended.



Sorry but college football games were not very well attended back in this time you are labeling the “glory days.”  Attendance peaked in about 2014 or so and has been declining since. But it was way more than in the 70s or 80s.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 22, 2020, 08:45:16 PM

Sorry but college football games were not very well attended back in this time you are labeling the “glory days.”  Attendance peaked in about 2014 or so and has been declining since. But it was way more than in the 70s or 80s.

Stadiums are significantly larger now. Neyland Stadium by over 27K since the 70’s, Beaver Stadium is up 50K since the start if the 70’s, the Shoe over 20K, Jordan Hare up 37K, even the Big House has even expanded.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 23, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
New England QB Coach Jedd Fisch is the new U of Arizona Head Coach. (Good friends w/UA President Robert Robbins) San Jose St.'s Brent Brennan runner up.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 23, 2020, 10:10:24 AM
New England QB Coach Jedd Fisch is the new U of Arizona Head Coach. (Good friends w/UA President Robert Robbins) San Jose St.'s Brent Brennan runner up.


Fisch hire is interesting. Been a lot of places but not for long and not very successful.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 23, 2020, 10:57:44 AM
New England QB Coach Jedd Fisch is the new U of Arizona Head Coach. (Good friends w/UA President Robert Robbins) San Jose St.'s Brent Brennan runner up.

You mean after Brennan turned them down.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 23, 2020, 11:25:48 AM
Fisch hire is interesting. Been a lot of places but not for long and not very successful.

Trying to restore the glory of Pop McKale during the days of the Helsinki Episode of 1919. And I think we all remember how that turned out.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 23, 2020, 12:07:02 PM
You mean after Brennan turned them down.

That was my thought as well.  He’s losing the majority of his offense to graduation at SJSU, so you’d think he’d be ready to move.  But if he was willing, no way you’d think that U of A would choose a journeyman over that.

Like Fluffy said, he’s worked in a lot of decent places with good football people, but not super successful.

I’ve seen a number of people up in arms about Antonio Pierce not getting the job, playing the white privilege card. But all that conveniently ignores his major lack of college coaching experience and he’s never even been a stand alone coordinator.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 23, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
That was my thought as well.  He’s losing the majority of his offense to graduation at SJSU, so you’d think he’d be ready to move.  But if he was willing, no way you’d think that U of A would choose a journeyman over that.

Like Fluffy said, he’s worked in a lot of decent places with good football people, but not super successful.

I’ve seen a number of people up in arms about Antonio Pierce not getting the job, playing the white privilege card. But all that conveniently ignores his major lack of college coaching experience and he’s never even been a stand alone coordinator.

He knows he could do better than UA, which is a bottom 4 job in the PAC 12 (OSU, WSU, Cal).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 23, 2020, 12:40:33 PM
You mean after Brennan turned them down.

Source? Link? Many reputable people both inside and outside of U of A have said otherwise.

Fisch was also a candidate for the Arizona job when Sumlin was hired instead. (He's also been in the mix for other openings as well) It is being reported that this was a Robert Robbins hire based on his personal relationship with Fisch.

Many U of A boosters, alums, fans, wanted Brennan. There are even reports that Arizona AD Dave Heeke preferred Brennan. Brennan has many ties with Arizona. He worked with Dick Tomey both there and San Jose St. He also worked with former Arizona Defensive Coordinator Rich Ellerson at Cal Poly. Brennan's brother Brad played for Tomey at Arizona. He spoke at Tomey's Memorial Service this past year.

If you have different information, I would certainly take a look at it.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 23, 2020, 09:21:39 PM
Bryan Harsin from Boise St. is the new Auburn Head Coach.

So, Auburn fires a former Arkansas State Head Coach. Then they pass on hiring a different former Arkansas State Head Coach. Ultimately, they hire yet a different former Arkansas State Head Coach. Somewhere a former assistant Arkansas State Head Coach to both the new and recently dismissed Head Coach, and current fellow SEC Head Coach, nods.

Interesting story from Alabama Media Group. Influential boosters wanted Gus Malzahn fired and Kevin Steele promoted to Head Coach. The boosters even secured enough Board of Trustee support. They got the first part w/Malzahn, but not the 2nd.

New AD Allen Greene wanted a national search that included Steele. Auburn President Jay Gogue sided with Greene. They had an 8 person search committee, used Parker Executive Search, which Vandy used, and had 20-25 candidates.

When word got out of the Boosters support of Steele, there was a massive fan backlash against it. It was very unpopular. Auburn admin was bombarded with calls, emails, texts opposing Steele for Head Coach.

Bill Clark and Billy Napier were two of the other serious candidates. There were conflicting reports whether the new coach would be asked to keep some assistants, such as Steele. Clark opposed that.

Bryan Harsin is Allen Greene's hire with Jay Gogue support. Some of the boosters have vowed to run Greene out of town, as they didn't get their way.

Auburn is having an afternoon Press Conference on Christmas Eve.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on December 23, 2020, 11:29:09 PM

Sorry but college football games were not very well attended back in this time you are labeling the “glory days.”  Attendance peaked in about 2014 or so and has been declining since. But it was way more than in the 70s or 80s.
I am referring to games like a Wisconsin Minnesota end of the season game, back then both teams sucked , yet Camp Randall was always near capacity. Same with mediocre teams like Michigan State, the loyalist's would pack Spartan Stadium for those November games against Iowa, or even to see a lousy Wisconsin team with Rufus The Road Runner Ferguson etc. Wisconsin wasn't on tv much and the only way to see a talent like that was to go to the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 24, 2020, 06:25:04 AM
Interesting story from Alabama Media Group. Influential boosters wanted Gus Malzahn fired and Kevin Steele promoted to Head Coach. The boosters even secured enough Board of Trustee support. They got the first part w/Malzahn, but not the 2nd.

New AD Allen Greene wanted a national search that included Steele. Auburn President Jay Gogue sided with Greene. They had an 8 person search committee, used Parker Executive Search, which Vandy used, and had 20-25 candidates.

When word got out of the Boosters support of Steele, there was a massive fan backlash against it. It was very unpopular. Auburn admin was bombarded with calls, emails, texts opposing Steele for Head Coach.

Bill Clark and Billy Napier were two of the other serious candidates. There were conflicting reports whether the new coach would be asked to keep some assistants, such as Steele. Clark opposed that.

Bryan Harsin is Allen Greene's hire with Jay Gogue support. Some of the boosters have vowed to run Greene out of town, as they didn't get their way.

Auburn is having an afternoon Press Conference on Christmas Eve.


Auburn has had a disfunctional relationship with its boosters for years, partly because they have tended to hire ADs from the inside.  Greene came to Auburn with no ties to the school but a strong reputation from his work at Buffalo, and if this costs him his job, he will land another one at another P5 school. 

Hiring Steele after he waged a underground campaign against his boss with support from the Trustees is not an act that should ever be rewarded.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 24, 2020, 08:03:19 AM

Auburn has had a disfunctional relationship with its boosters for years, partly because they have tended to hire ADs from the inside.  Greene came to Auburn with no ties to the school but a strong reputation from his work at Buffalo, and if this costs him his job, he will land another one at another P5 school. 

Hiring Steele after he waged a underground campaign against his boss with support from the Trustees is not an act that should ever be rewarded.

Using a search firm to hire Greene to Auburn (Parker again) helped begin the being open to outsiders after several decades of mostly being not open to outsiders.

Greene worked with Danny White at Ole Miss and Buffalo. They both went to Notre Dame. White was hired using Parker as well. And he has some experience with coaches who were or are successful elsewhere and bringing them to a different part of the country. Greene quietly observed, dismissed half a dozen staffers. And he has remained mostly behind the scenes in this process. But he is making final decisions with Gogue support.

It's certainly something that the President of the school has to send out emails to fans letting them know some boosters are doing a smear campaign.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 24, 2020, 09:55:38 AM
Auburn continues to be a mess. Hiring Steele would have been bad on two fronts. Both from perpetuating the cycle of hiring coordinators of deposed coaches as well as well as rewarding mutiny as Fluffy pointed out.

So they make the right call and go outside...only to hire someone with no ties to the area or the SEC.  a guy who took over for a legendary program creator and did...fine as a caretaker. Nobody is looking at Harsin’s tenure at BSU with a “wow”. He didn’t win any outright championships after his first season.

Meanwhile, the candidates mention here otherwise seem like such natural fits. Billy Napier is a hot name and certainly has the bonafides with time at Clemson and Bama along with a strong stretch at ULL.  And then Bill Clark.  Sadly he’s not sexy enough for Auburn boosters I’d imagine, but talk about a perfect fit. Wildly successful and connected Alabama HS coach for 20 years and then what he’s done at UAB is nothing short of incredible. Coach when they disbanded the program, headed it up bringing it back and has won 3 straight conference titles in the just 4 years after resurrection. Wow
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on December 24, 2020, 11:16:08 AM
Searches can be smooth and straight forward. They can be contentious. They can take twists and turns.

Billy Napier has now been in the mix at Auburn, South Carolina, Mississippi St. and Baylor.

Hugh Freeze another former Arkansas St. (As was Malzahn) coach was never really considered at Auburn. Harsin is another former Arkansas St. coach. Mizzou's Eli Drinkwitz worked with both there. Drinkwitz is another example of how things behind the scenes can be different than what people know and can be different at different places. Mizzou AD Jim Sterk wanted Blake Anderson. Mizzou's Board said no. They preferred Drinkwitz. Board won out.

Auburn's board slowly came around to Auburn boosters to remove Malzahn. But they sided with Gogue and Greene for more of a National Search. Steele was considered until word got out and the backlash was fierce. Napier and Clark discussions fell through. Both would have been popular, especially Clark. He is very popular. Harsin was part of the search firm mix with Greene. He was certainly unhappy seeking a change. He's a good coach.

Some searches go more smoothly. Vandy wanted Clark Lea from the start and vice versa. Lea tried to get the job when Mason was hired. Candice Lee was on board early as was Tim Corbin. And they finally have a Chancellor that understands the value of Athletics at an academic school. Corbin and Lea first became close after Lea's Vandy undergrad days and his dad was a team physician with the Nashville Sounds. Jamey Chadwell, Will Healy, a few others were considered, but it waa always going to be Clark Lea. He wants to build something long term there. Healy probably had the most non-Lea support. John Ingram, Vandy's biggest booster said there will be a first couple of months 2021, new facilities announcement for the first time in forever there. It will be significant. Lea will get input on the project.

Arizona made a President hire. And so on.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 24, 2020, 02:15:59 PM
I am referring to games like a Wisconsin Minnesota end of the season game, back then both teams sucked , yet Camp Randall was always near capacity. Same with mediocre teams like Michigan State, the loyalist's would pack Spartan Stadium for those November games against Iowa, or even to see a lousy Wisconsin team with Rufus The Road Runner Ferguson etc. Wisconsin wasn't on tv much and the only way to see a talent like that was to go to the game.

I went to many MSU games in the 80's and 90's in November and there were plenty of good seats available. I remember my friends and I freezing our asses off watching Northwestern beat MSU with 30K others in Spartan Stadium in 1991 (MSU did not sell out one home game that season). A few years later we went to the Wisconsin game where the listed attendance is 46K. The only games that sold out regularly were ND and Michigan.

Rivalry games always draw big crowds (look at the way our attendance during the Deane years spiked for Madison and ND then returned to smaller numbers for UAB and SLU). 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
I am referring to games like a Wisconsin Minnesota end of the season game, back then both teams sucked , yet Camp Randall was always near capacity. Same with mediocre teams like Michigan State, the loyalist's would pack Spartan Stadium for those November games against Iowa, or even to see a lousy Wisconsin team with Rufus The Road Runner Ferguson etc. Wisconsin wasn't on tv much and the only way to see a talent like that was to go to the game.


Wisconsin - Minnesota has only been an end-of-season game a handful of times in the past 30 or so years. And if you really go back to when both teams sucked (late 80s), the stadium was pretty empty. UW football only became a truly hot ticket after Barry arrived. Otherwise, attendance was highly dependent on performance.

I had the great misfortune to live in Madison through the Don Morton era, and visiting teams usually had more fans than Bucky in a half-empty stadium.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 24, 2020, 04:11:50 PM

Wisconsin - Minnesota has only been an end-of-season game a handful of times in the past 30 or so years. And if you really go back to when both teams sucked (late 80s), the stadium was pretty empty. UW football only became a truly hot ticket after Barry arrived. Otherwise, attendance was highly dependent on performance.

I had the great misfortune to live in Madison through the Don Morton era, and visiting teams usually had more fans than Bucky in a half-empty stadium.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s in Madison. It wasn’t sold out but it usually brought in a decent crowd. The Badgers rarely filled out the entire upper deck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on December 24, 2020, 05:43:08 PM
I went to many MSU games in the 80's and 90's in November and there were plenty of good seats available. I remember my friends and I freezing our asses off watching Northwestern beat MSU with 30K others in Spartan Stadium in 1991 (MSU did not sell out one home game that season). A few years later we went to the Wisconsin game where the listed attendance is 46K. The only games that sold out regularly were ND and Michigan.

Rivalry games always draw big crowds (look at the way our attendance during the Deane years spiked for Madison and ND then returned to smaller numbers for UAB and SLU).
Billy yes the Era you are referring to saw lower attendance at MSU. I am referring to an earlier era in the late 60s and 70s in what I am calling the Golden era of the sport . MSU still sucked as a team but people showed up because they didn't have alternatives to watching the games on TV. So those late season crappy games against Iowa for example would have attendance in the 60s. Earlier in the season games on a nice October afternoon against lousy teams like Illinois would draw close to 70k.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2020, 08:52:07 AM
Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell, a unanimous All-American as a sophomore in 2019, opted out of this almost-kinda-sorta season. He is expected to be a top-5 pick anyway.

Smart kid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 25, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell, a unanimous All-American as a sophomore in 2019, opted out of this almost-kinda-sorta season. He is expected to be a top-5 pick anyway.

Smart kid.

Was there new news with him? He didn’t play all season.  He’s basically been a future Bengal once Burrow got hurt
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2020, 02:15:04 PM
Was there new news with him? He didn’t play all season.  He’s basically been a future Bengal once Burrow got hurt

No, I just happened to read about him as a possible Panthers target in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 25, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell, a unanimous All-American as a sophomore in 2019, opted out of this almost-kinda-sorta season. He is expected to be a top-5 pick anyway.

Smart kid.

Not sure that makes one smart or not.  ?-(
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
Not sure that makes one smart or not.  ?-(

IMHO the fact that he didn't get injured or worse playing football for free, thereby protecting the bazillions of dollars he will make as a pro, suggests he absolutely did the right thing for himself. Had Trevor Lawrence done the same, I would have said he was smart, too. That Lawrence played and enjoyed it means he also did what was right for himself. I'm a big fan of empowering the athletes.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 26, 2020, 07:40:36 PM
Utah RB dead at 19 from what appears to be a gunshot wound. So sad.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/531717-pac-12-offensive-freshman-of-the-year-dies-at-19

University of Utah freshman running back Ty Jordan, who this week was named Pac-12’s offensive newcomer of the year, has died, the school’s team announced Saturday. He was 19.

While authorities have not yet officially announced a cause of death, the Denton Police Department in Jordan’s home state of Texas told ESPN that they responded to a shooting call late Friday evening, where they discovered a gunshot victim had been shot one time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 26, 2020, 07:44:44 PM
Utah RB dead at 19 from what appears to be a gunshot wound. So sad.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/531717-pac-12-offensive-freshman-of-the-year-dies-at-19

University of Utah freshman running back Ty Jordan, who this week was named Pac-12’s offensive newcomer of the year, has died, the school’s team announced Saturday. He was 19.

While authorities have not yet officially announced a cause of death, the Denton Police Department in Jordan’s home state of Texas told ESPN that they responded to a shooting call late Friday evening, where they discovered a gunshot victim had been shot one time.


He accidentally discharged the gun himself.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
Just saw a commercial on ESPN promoting the upcoming playoffs. Showed numerous images of Lawrence, Fields, Smith, Book, etc., making exciting plays.

Perfect example of using NILs of college athletes, with the athletes getting no compensation.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
Ridiculously stupid coaching by Hugh Freeze at the end of regulation in the Whatever Something Exhibition Bowl.

Announcers trying to blame the players ... but just take an effen knee, kick the chip-shot FG, and win the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 26, 2020, 10:34:13 PM
Ridiculously stupid coaching by Hugh Freeze at the end of regulation in the Whatever Something Exhibition Bowl.

Announcers trying to blame the players ... but just take an effen knee, kick the chip-shot FG, and win the game.

The fumble play was one of the craziest plays I’ve ever seen. Runner trying to stop, defenders trying to pull him into the end zone, tight end trying to push him in....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 26, 2020, 10:47:08 PM
Kind of a weird game for a variety of reasons.

Liberty as a university is abhorrent and Hugh Freeze is a scumbag, but they play very fun football to watch and it’s been remarkable how far they have come in such a short time.

Coastal is a legit Boise style G5 program in the making, that literally didn’t exist 20 years ago and wasn’t legit until 10 years ago when a damn financial CEO became their coach and revitalized the program. They’ve only been FBS for 3 seasons....but they have a dirty defense that has popped up in every big game I’ve watched without fail.

Regardless, Freeze’s strategy at the end was moronic but they were the better team all game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Kind of a weird game for a variety of reasons.

Liberty as a university is abhorrent and Hugh Freeze is a scumbag, but they play very fun football to watch and it’s been remarkable how far they have come in such a short time.

Coastal is a legit Boise style G5 program in the making, that literally didn’t exist 20 years ago and wasn’t legit until 10 years ago when a damn financial CEO became their coach and revitalized the program. They’ve only been FBS for 3 seasons....but they have a dirty defense that has popped up in every big game I’ve watched without fail.

Regardless, Freeze’s strategy at the end was moronic but they were the better team all game.
The fumble play was one of the craziest plays I’ve ever seen. Runner trying to stop, defenders trying to pull him into the end zone, tight end trying to push him in....

I don’t watch bowl games but I did happen to see the end. Just take a knee and win. Stoopid.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2020, 02:34:28 PM
Dabo Swinney makes a compelling argument for why he voted Ohio State so low. Some might not agree with it, but he was consistent, and he didn't hem and haw when explaining his rationale. He also said OSU was good enough to beat Clemson on 1/1/21.

FWIW, I'm not a huge believer in the impact of "bulletin-board material" once teams get to this point in a season. The best team usually wins, and  the team that plays best almost always wins. If you aren't motivated to win a playoff game against anybody, let alone a great program like Clemson, then no bulletin-board material is gonna help you.

Dabo Swinney knew that his decision to rank Ohio State outside of the top 10 in his final USA Today coaches poll would make national news and draw some criticism.

But Swinney said Monday that he stands by his ranking of the Buckeyes and that it was nothing personal against Ohio State.

His Clemson team is set to face OSU in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans on New Year’s Day.

“I just don’t think it’s right that three teams have to play 13 games to be the champion and one team has to play eight,” Swinney said Monday during his press conference previewing the Sugar Bowl. “If people have a problem with that, I don’t really care. It’s my poll.”

Coaches’ final ballots are revealed each year after conference championship games are played. Swinney ranked the 6-0 Buckeyes No. 11 in his poll. It was the first topic he was asked about during his Zoom press conference on Monday, with a reporter who covers the Buckeyes saying Swinney’s ranking of OSU “has not gone unnoticed up here.”

Swinney said there was no gamesmanship or ulterior motive with his poll.

“You don’t think I know that’s going to be public? But to me, right is right. It’s not always easy to do the right thing,” Swinney said.

He mentioned Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Florida and Cincinnati as teams that “got punished because they played more games.”

“I didn’t rank anybody who didn’t play nine games or more in the top 10. And then after that I said, ‘OK, anybody who played at all, that’s how I’ll rank that group.’ That’s why they were 11th,” Swinney said. “You can change the name. ... If Southern Cal had been 6-0, I wouldn’t have had them in there. So no disrespect.”

Swinney said a couple of years back that he carefully fills out his ballot each week. He confirmed on Monday that he still does that.

“Every year I take it seriously, but especially this year,” he said.

While Swinney has Ohio State ranked outside the top 10, he made it clear that his ranking doesn’t mean he believes the Buckeyes can’t beat Clemson.

“There’s no question Ohio State is good enough to beat us,” he said. “They’re good enough to beat anybody out of these four. They’re good enough to be the national champion. That’s not a question at all.”

Swinney also made it clear he doesn’t believe the Buckeyes should be in the top four.

“These games matter. ... Guys can get injured, you can get beat,” Swinney said. “To just say, ‘Oh, well they would’ve won.’ I don’t think that’s right.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 30, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Looks like the rodents got kinda excited after winning the Condiment Bowl...

https://mobile.twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1344403576999858176?s=10

😂
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on December 30, 2020, 05:41:45 PM
Looks like the rodents got kinda excited after winning the Condiment Bowl...

https://mobile.twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1344403576999858176?s=10

😂

To be fair, they knocked off perennial powerhouse Wake Forest
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on December 30, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Looks like the rodents got kinda excited after winning the Condiment Bowl...

https://mobile.twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1344403576999858176?s=10

😂

Scary stuff. I wouldn’t want to mess with the curse of the Duke’s Mayo Bowl trophy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 30, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
Another turnover by Mertz.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 30, 2020, 08:43:21 PM
Kyle Trask ... no thanks!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 30, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
I think he is missing his top four receivers.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 30, 2020, 10:39:01 PM
Scary stuff. I wouldn’t want to mess with the curse of the Duke’s Mayo Bowl trophy.

Don't mess with viscous
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2020, 10:41:29 PM
I think he is missing his top four receivers.

Looked like the Gators were missing their 11 top defensive players.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 31, 2020, 12:46:15 AM
Looked like the Gators were missing their 11 top defensive players.

That’s been their theme all year though.  “We’re gonna just out score you”.  In their 3 losses before this game, they gave up an average of like 42 pts a game. And they had multiple victories where they gave up 30+. Live by the sword, die by the sword

As for Trask, he was bad, yes, but all year he threw to Pitts, who is a projected top 10 pick at TE.  And then Grimes and Toney are both highly ranked WRs who will be drafted in the 2nd-3rd round.  All 3 sat out, plus others.  The top 3 receivers for the Gators tonight all had single digit receptions on the season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
That’s been their theme all year though.  “We’re gonna just out score you”.  In their 3 losses before this game, they gave up an average of like 42 pts a game. And they had multiple victories where they gave up 30+. Live by the sword, die by the sword

As for Trask, he was bad, yes, but all year he threw to Pitts, who is a projected top 10 pick at TE.  And then Grimes and Toney are both highly ranked WRs who will be drafted in the 2nd-3rd round.  All 3 sat out, plus others.  The top 3 receivers for the Gators tonight all had single digit receptions on the season.

Agree. I saw the Gators a couple of times when Trask had his top receivers, and the offense was pretty near unstoppable - good enough that they would usually win even though the defense sucked. Take away a few key weapons and they look like a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2020, 01:04:23 PM
That’s been their theme all year though.  “We’re gonna just out score you”.  In their 3 losses before this game, they gave up an average of like 42 pts a game. And they had multiple victories where they gave up 30+. Live by the sword, die by the sword

As for Trask, he was bad, yes, but all year he threw to Pitts, who is a projected top 10 pick at TE.  And then Grimes and Toney are both highly ranked WRs who will be drafted in the 2nd-3rd round.  All 3 sat out, plus others.  The top 3 receivers for the Gators tonight all had single digit receptions on the season.

Thanks for this on Trask. I don't follow college football super-closely, but I saw those INTs, each of which was quite poorly thrown. On the pick-6, he stared at his receiver the entire play, a total telegraph job, and the defender easily stepped in front. But absolutely, being without top receivers affects QBs in ways above and beyond throws and catches.

I'm just thinking the Panthers might take a QB, and they obviously aren't getting Lawrence, so I'm looking at the others through process of elimination. Fields is already off my list, and I was thinking Trask was a no-go, too, but I didn't know about the WRs. It is impossible for me to know about the S. Dakota St. guy. And I'm suspicious of the BYU guy. The Panthers have SO many needs other than QB to address that unless the guy is close to a sure thing; right now, I'm hoping they go for OL, LB or CB. Desperately need a TE, too - maybe Pitts!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 31, 2020, 01:34:08 PM
Thanks for this on Trask. I don't follow college football super-closely, but I saw those INTs, each of which was quite poorly thrown. On the pick-6, he stared at his receiver the entire play, a total telegraph job, and the defender easily stepped in front. But absolutely, being without top receivers affects QBs in ways above and beyond throws and catches.

I'm just thinking the Panthers might take a QB, and they obviously aren't getting Lawrence, so I'm looking at the others through process of elimination. Fields is already off my list, and I was thinking Trask was a no-go, too, but I didn't know about the WRs. It is impossible for me to know about the S. Dakota St. guy. And I'm suspicious of the BYU guy. The Panthers have SO many needs other than QB to address that unless the guy is close to a sure thing; right now, I'm hoping they go for OL, LB or CB. Desperately need a TE, too - maybe Pitts!

I REALLY like Zach Wilson from BYU. He looks short at times, but he’s 6’3. He’s got a CANNON, plays the game with swagger, and I really like how he moves in and out/around in the pocket.  Obviously BYU’s schedule was soft, but he made ALOT of plays.

But I think you’re right, Panthers need a lot. They have money sunk into Teddy. Good year to grab a QB later in the draft and see what you got over a bit of time instead of leaping in the first round
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on December 31, 2020, 02:04:31 PM
I REALLY like Zach Wilson from BYU. He looks short at times, but he’s 6’3. He’s got a CANNON, plays the game with swagger, and I really like how he moves in and out/around in the pocket.  Obviously BYU’s schedule was soft, but he made ALOT of plays.




Same here. I would take Wilson over Fields in a second.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2020, 02:15:05 PM
I REALLY like Zach Wilson from BYU. He looks short at times, but he’s 6’3. He’s got a CANNON, plays the game with swagger, and I really like how he moves in and out/around in the pocket.  Obviously BYU’s schedule was soft, but he made ALOT of plays.

But I think you’re right, Panthers need a lot. They have money sunk into Teddy. Good year to grab a QB later in the draft and see what you got over a bit of time instead of leaping in the first round

They almost surely will keep Teddy for next season. Money sunk, as you say, and a large cap hit. Of course that also means it could be an ideal time to take a QB who can be groomed for a year.

They can dump Teddy after next season for very little cap consequence, so that would set up a one-year apprentice for the rookie, who also would be there if Teddy gets hurt, followed by the new guy becoming the starter in 2022. But yeah, lots of needs!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on December 31, 2020, 02:36:33 PM
I REALLY like Zach Wilson from BYU. He looks short at times, but he’s 6’3. He’s got a CANNON, plays the game with swagger, and I really like how he moves in and out/around in the pocket.  Obviously BYU’s schedule was soft, but he made ALOT of plays.

But I think you’re right, Panthers need a lot. They have money sunk into Teddy. Good year to grab a QB later in the draft and see what you got over a bit of time instead of leaping in the first round

Wilson to Bears! Please!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on December 31, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Wilson to Bears! Please!

Unfortunately you have the Patriots and WFT both in the couple picks right before the Bears, assuming both need QBs.  But if he fell to 20, I’d be ECSTATIC...and then blind with rage as the Bears take some random defensive player
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
Nice to see Tulsa and Mississippi State exchange New Years well-wishes after their bowl game.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/massive-brawl-breaks-out-at-end-of-armed-forces-bowl-between-mississippi-state-and-tulsa/
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 01, 2021, 02:09:53 PM
If anyone is looking for an outdoor football game, on grass, with fully painted end zones, the Orange Bowl will have it for you.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2021, 02:14:46 PM
If anyone is looking for an outdoor football game, on grass, with fully painted end zones, the Orange Bowl will have it for you.

Doesn’t play until tomorrow though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 01, 2021, 02:21:06 PM
Doesn’t play until tomorrow though.

#patienceisavirtue
#trusttheprocess
#BeTheOne 🔥
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 02:32:58 PM
Bad clock management by Cincinnati so far. They’re trying to run the clock but keep snapping it with about 10 on the play clock.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2021, 02:43:56 PM
Bad clock management by Cincinnati so far. They’re trying to run the clock but keep snapping it with about 10 on the play clock.

Then threw an incomplete pass on third and short.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 02:48:38 PM
Then threw an incomplete pass on third and short.


And then called a timeout on defense when the clock was running and Georgia was in panic mode.

Add it all up, and it cost them the game....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on January 01, 2021, 02:49:31 PM
Bad clock management by Cincinnati so far. They’re trying to run the clock but keep snapping it with about 10 on the play clock.
Cincy looked good all game but when it counted they couldn’t run out the clock properly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2021, 02:51:47 PM
Cincy looked good all game but when it counted they couldn’t run out the clock properly.

Their second half offense was terrible. One long run on the first play of the half then 25 yards for the rest of the game. Didn’t look like they were overlooked for the playoffs. Georgia was the fourth best SEC team.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 03:20:01 PM
Cincy looked good all game but when it counted they couldn’t run out the clock properly.

Meh.

Georgia completely dominated the entire second half aside from the long run to start it for Cincy.

Georgia just had their own struggles of punching it in. But they were the only team moving the ball consistently in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
Kelly wins the toss and takes the ball but ND gets stopped right away. Bama then goes through the ND defense with ease.

7-0 Tide ... and counting.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 03:42:06 PM
Meh.

Georgia completely dominated the entire second half aside from the long run to start it for Cincy.

Georgia just had their own struggles of punching it in. But they were the only team moving the ball consistently in the 2nd half.

Nobody is questioning that Georgia was the better team in the second half. They clearly were.

Still, when it got down to the last couple of minutes, Cinci would have won if they had just done a passable job of clock management.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2021, 03:46:34 PM
Man Alabama is just a joy to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 01, 2021, 03:49:06 PM
Man Alabama is just a joy to watch.

Especially when playing Notre Dame.

Imagine Waddle being healthy and opposite of Smith.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2021, 03:50:33 PM
Bad clock management by Cincinnati so far. They’re trying to run the clock but keep snapping it with about 10 on the play clock.

Drove myself nuts. Two plays in a row.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 03:50:37 PM
Nobody is questioning that Georgia was the better team in the second half. They clearly were.

Still, when it got down to the last couple of minutes, Cinci would have won if they had just done a passable job of clock management.

I know but he said Cincy looked good all game. In reality it was a matter of time. Georgia probably shouldnt of punted with 3 minutes left either.

Also, I really only think part of the clock management issues were bad. Snapping the ball early was inexcusable. The TO was fine because Georgia was about to hike it anyways, this let Cincy get set(and ultimately the defense held). The pass was ballsy but I liked it. Dude was wide open, QB just messed it up. Play to win.

If Georgia needed a TD I'd say run as much clock as possible to make them go 80 yards in less than a minute. But with a FG and a quality(for the college game) kicker. 1 minute would still be a lot of time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 03:53:11 PM
Especially when playing Notre Dame.

Imagine Waddle being healthy and opposite of Smith.

Smith won POY and may win the Heisman...and he likely wasn’t the best WR on the team.  That’s insanity
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2021, 03:53:44 PM
Nice bounce back year for Northwestern. Solid win versus Auburn in the Citrus Bowl. Always one of my favorite bowl games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 03:54:23 PM
Wow! Najee Harris!!!

I usually want good, hard-fought, exciting games. But I so enjoy seeing ND lose 64-10 or whatever.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 01, 2021, 04:00:31 PM
Very hesitantly took Bama at -19.5. Feeling better by the minute.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 04:02:42 PM
Very hesitantly took Bama at -19.5. Feeling better by the minute.


I know that is considered a huge spread in such a high-stakes game, but I will be shocked if Alabama doesn’t at least double that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on January 01, 2021, 04:22:40 PM
I had texted a buddy before kickoff that swallowing lower returns and taking Bama on an alternate spread at like 11 or so felt like the bet to me.

The worst part about this is the soul crushing inevitability of it all. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
 Bama goes up 14-0. ND spends a long drive eating up 8 min. Announcers make sure to praise Brian Kelly and his game plan at least 3-4 times about controlling the clock. They finally score...Bama returns the favor spending less than 3 min scoring a TD.

Can’t wait for ND to win time of possession by 20 min and still lose by 20. Feels like when you’re watch a soccer team dominate possession 70-30 and still lose 1-0 or 2-0
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2021, 04:29:51 PM
Well, ND has to controlling the clock. Otherwise they have no chance. Blackledge is one of the best. He knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 04:30:32 PM
Bama goes up 14-0. ND spends a long drive eating up 8 min. Announcers make sure to praise Brian Kelly and his game plan at least 3-4 times about controlling the clock. They finally score...Bama returns the favor spending less than 3 min scoring a TD.

Can’t wait for ND to win time of possession by 20 min and still lose by 20. Feels like when you’re watch a soccer team dominate possession 70-30 and still lose 1-0 or 2-0

Likely gonna lose by a lot more than 20.

I need Harris to get more carries I got him going over 120 yards rushing. Only 3 carries and well over half way there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2021, 04:31:42 PM
Well, ND has to controlling the clock. Otherwise they have no chance. Blackledge is one of the best. He knows what he is talking about.

They have to defend. Controlling the clock does nothing for them if they just give up a TD drive on the next possession.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 01, 2021, 04:43:12 PM
Notre Dame down 14 and kicking off at half. They get Bama to 3rd and 12 under 2 minutes left and they let Bama run the play clock down to 1 before a timeout. I know Bama can pick up a 3rd and 12, but you aren’t winning if you’re going into half down 14 if you’re Notre Dame. You have to take a timeout there and trust you can get a stop. Give yourself like 1:30 to go score going into halftime.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 01, 2021, 04:44:01 PM
Well, ND has to controlling the clock. Otherwise they have no chance. Blackledge is one of the best. He knows what he is talking about.

There have been some bad broadcast crews this bowl season, but not the ND v Bama game with SM and TB.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 04:47:03 PM
Notre Dame down 14 and kicking off at half. They get Bama to 3rd and 12 under 2 minutes left and they let Bama run the play clock down to 1 before a timeout. I know Bama can pick up a 3rd and 12, but you aren’t winning if you’re going into half down 14 if you’re Notre Dame. You have to take a timeout there and trust you can get a stop. Give yourself like 1:30 to go score going into halftime.

Yep.

But the good news for ND is that they won't need that kicker to decide the game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2021, 04:47:54 PM
Yep.

But the good news for ND is that they won't need that kicker to decide the game.

That kick was tipped.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2021, 04:51:56 PM
They have to defend. Controlling the clock does nothing for them if they just give up a TD drive on the next possession.

I think that goes without be said.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2021, 04:53:17 PM
There have been some bad broadcast crews this bowl season, but not the ND v Bama game with SM and TB.

Of course. You get the bottom feeders on many of these games.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 01, 2021, 04:58:32 PM
Desmond Howard looks like he’s about 25 years old.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 01, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Of course. You get the bottom feeders on many of these games.

Se big games don't have pxp and analyst I like and some small ones do. It all depends on the individual people and games. But some of these have been pretty bad this year.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
That kick was tipped.

But I think it was kicked too low anyways. He’s been shaky at beat the last month or so and made only 1 from that distance all year. Not exactly benefit of the doubt worthy.

Smith is such a seemingly effortless WR. My god he’s fun to watch
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 05:12:08 PM
Is there really a better college football player in America than Devonta Smith?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 05:28:05 PM
Is there really a better college football player in America than Devonta Smith?

Hard to compare, but that QB at Clemson ain’t bad.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 05:29:33 PM
Really knew I shoulda taken the +3 TDs for Smith. GUy is just so good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 05:31:11 PM
I absolutely have a fan-crush on Smith.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 05:31:56 PM
Jones to Smith for the TD was a beautifully executed play on both ends. Perfectly placed ball by Jones, and a great catch with perfect footwork by Smith.

Textbook.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 05:36:46 PM
Hard to compare, but that QB at Clemson ain’t bad.

True, true. I'm a big fan of Lawrence. I mean, what's not to like?

But what a weapon Smith is, and a security blanket for the Bama QB. Throw it anywhere near him, he catches it. Dump it off to him and he can take any pass all the way. Every defense has to focus totally on him, making every Bama skill player better. And even though opponents do focus on him, they still can't stop him.

Very impressed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 01, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Looks like they aren’t requiring masks to be warn by fans in the closed dome.

But thank God Notre Dame didn’t have to boycott the game and their families could be in attendance. They would’ve been severely missed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 06:08:18 PM
Love McDonough as an announcer. Smith drops one...McDonough in deadpan voice: “there goes the Heisman.”
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 01, 2021, 06:14:54 PM
Touchdown for the back door cover?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on January 01, 2021, 06:25:36 PM
Enjoying the whooping Bama is putting on the Irish.

Davanta Smith should get Heisman
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 06:34:28 PM
Not only was ND uncompetitive for 80% of the game. They were so offensively anemic that Bama took it easy and stopped going for the throat in the second half. So you just got a slog of a game to end it. Congrats to ND on their amazing moral victory covering the spread.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 06:42:15 PM
Touchdown for the back door cover?

True, but ND had one TD called back and the game ended with them in the red zone, so It wasn’t really a bad beat - though one could complain that Alabama took their foot off of the gas a little in the second half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 01, 2021, 06:44:29 PM
Fourth straight double digit semifinal win for Alabama. None of the other three were v Notre Dame. And, one was v Clemson.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 06:44:45 PM
True, but ND had one TD called back and the game ended with them in the red zone, so It wasn’t really a bad beat - though one could complain that Alabama took their foot off of the gas a little in the second half.

A little? That’s generous. First half was gashing the ND secondary all over the place. Second half was quick pass outside, maybe make someone miss, shrug. The minute ND missed the FG to end the first half, they moved on to OSU/Clemson
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 07:03:49 PM
Another fine playoff showing by the Irrelevant Irish. And could have been a lot, lot worse.

The "bad beat" (if there was one) was that Kelly actually was gonna punt down 31-7, which would have been ridiculous but would have made a lot of Bama bettors happy.

Now that I got the humiliation of ND that I wanted, I hope the nightcap is a lot more competitive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 01, 2021, 07:07:06 PM
Thanks for this on Trask. I don't follow college football super-closely, but I saw those INTs, each of which was quite poorly thrown. On the pick-6, he stared at his receiver the entire play, a total telegraph job, and the defender easily stepped in front. But absolutely, being without top receivers affects QBs in ways above and beyond throws and catches.

I'm just thinking the Panthers might take a QB, and they obviously aren't getting Lawrence, so I'm looking at the others through process of elimination. Fields is already off my list, and I was thinking Trask was a no-go, too, but I didn't know about the WRs. It is impossible for me to know about the S. Dakota St. guy. And I'm suspicious of the BYU guy. The Panthers have SO many needs other than QB to address that unless the guy is close to a sure thing; right now, I'm hoping they go for OL, LB or CB. Desperately need a TE, too - maybe Pitts!

Especially since 1st round QB prospect Trey Lance goes to North Dakota St.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 07:25:18 PM
Especially since 1st round QB prospect Trey Lance goes to North Dakota St.

D'oh!

Wait ... there are 2 Dakotas now?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 08:22:48 PM
Not only was ND uncompetitive for 80% of the game. They were so offensively anemic that Bama took it easy and stopped going for the throat in the second half. So you just got a slog of a game to end it. Congrats to ND on their amazing moral victory covering the spread.


Yep. Never in doubt, and more lopsided than the score showed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 08:35:13 PM
tOSU looks really good.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 08:50:17 PM
tOSU looks really good.

Absolutely. And Clemson’s D really blows so far.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2021, 08:55:33 PM
Shocking first half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 08:56:57 PM
Ok ... so maybe Fields (aka Lewis) doesn’t suck.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 08:58:05 PM

Yep. Never in doubt, and more lopsided than the score showed.

Outcome never in doubt, true. More lopsided than a 17 point spread? I don’t think so. First Downs : 24 each. Total Yards: Bama 437 ND 375. TOP: Bama 26:14, ND 33:46. Alabama had the best player (Smith) and the speed edge (big) at the skill positions.

Meanwhile, OSU has 400 yards and 35 points in the first half!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 09:15:40 PM
Outcome never in doubt, true. More lopsided than a 17 point spread? I don’t think so. First Downs : 24 each. Total Yards: Bama 437 ND 375. TOP: Bama 26:14, ND 33:46. Alabama had the best player (Smith) and the speed edge (big) at the skill positions.

Meanwhile, OSU has 400 yards and 35 points in the first half!

A lot of that was garbage time by ND. When Bama went up 28-7 in the 3rd, they were out gaining ND 380 to 216. That’s quite lopsided.  Time of possession is less significant given one team was ripping off efficient scoring drives while the other was using lots of clock with largely fruitless drives.

Take away a 4th quarter where Bama was just trying to get out to the title game without injury or other damage and Brian Kelly was furiously calling timeouts and trying to score, it was incredibly lopsided

Surprising First half tonight for sure, OSU has looked sharp and aggressive and Clemson looks surprised at their effort.

HATE the targeting call there. He was lined up for a perfect form tackle until Fields adjusted out of nowhere. Makes it REALLY hard on the defender
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 09:24:37 PM
Ok ... so maybe Fields (aka Lewis) doesn’t suck.

And the headcase Fields just showed up to keep the game at least semi alive.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 09:36:01 PM
And the headcase Fields just showed up to keep the game at least semi alive.

Replay showed the ball was deflected slightly by a lineman, so I won’t hold that one against him.

With Clemson scoring, if they can get a stop, they cannnake it a game. Big “if,” though.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 09:37:17 PM
A lot of that was garbage time by ND. When Bama went up 28-7 in the 3rd, they were out gaining ND 380 to 216. That’s quite lopsided.  Time of possession is less significant given one team was ripping off efficient scoring drives while the other was using lots of clock with largely fruitless drives.

Take away a 4th quarter where Bama was just trying to get out to the title game without injury or other damage and Brian Kelly was furiously calling timeouts and trying to score, it was incredibly lopsided

Surprising First half tonight for sure, OSU has looked sharp and aggressive and Clemson looks surprised at their effort.

HATE the targeting call there. He was lined up for a perfect form tackle until Fields adjusted out of nowhere. Makes it REALLY hard on the defender

Brian Kelly was “furiously calling timeouts” in the second half? I mean, he used all 3 of his allotted TOS, which is normal for teams that are behind. He lost by 17, had one TD called back on an illegal shift (which had nothing to do with the play) and the game ended with ND in the red zone. If the game had ended 31-21 or 31-28 I’d agree that the score didn’t reflect what actually happened. 31-14 (or 38-21, say) was about right.

Disagree on the targeting call. #47 clearly lowered his head and stuck his helmet in Field’s ribs. And it’s not the first time he’s been tossed for a cheap shot.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 09:38:18 PM
Replay showed the ball was deflected slightly by a lineman, so I won’t hold that one against him.

With Clemson scoring, if they can get a stop, they cannnake it a game. Big “if,” though.

Definitley tipped but that throw was his usual problem in big games, ill advised. 3 defenders down there. Maybe if it wasnt tipped its out the end zone but thats the risk in even trying.

Hes played well though. Will be interesting to see if this changes his personal momentum and we get a game.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 09:40:39 PM
Brian Kelly was “furiously calling timeouts” in the second half? I mean, he used all 3 of his allotted TOS, which is normal for teams that are behind. He lost by 17, had one TD called back on an illegal shift (which had nothing to do with the play) and the game ended with ND in the red zone. If the game had ended 31-21 or 31-28 I’d agree that the score didn’t reflect what actually happened. 31-14 (or 38-21, say) was about right.

Disagree on the targeting call. #47 clearly lowered his head and stuck his helmet in Field’s ribs. And it’s not the first time he’s been tossed for a cheap shot.

They called TO with 1 second left to get 1 more chance. Bama sent a message by sending pressure right into Book's grill.

Wags is right, this game was destruction and it was only close because Bama call off the dogs. I don't think Harris even played after the opening drive of the 4th and up 31-7.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 09:45:34 PM
This Clemson D is really, really, really bad
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 09:54:30 PM


Surprising First half tonight for sure, OSU has looked sharp and aggressive and Clemson looks surprised at their effort.



Wags

I generally agree with your insights on sports (and the world in general). but to me Clemson has not looked “surprised” at Ohio State’s “effort”. They’ve looked entirely overwhelmed and outclassed. 4+ minutes left in the 3rd Q, OSU has gained 538 yards and scored 6 TDs. But for a tipped pass it would be 7.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 01, 2021, 09:57:39 PM
Northwestern had the best defense in college football.

What a strange sentence to utter.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 10:00:33 PM
Game ova
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 10:06:30 PM
Clemson is down 21 and has the best QB in the history of mankind. Why do they keep running?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 01, 2021, 10:08:40 PM
What a terrible sequence by Dabo. Down 21, third quarter winding down, their last 4 plays:

QB power run (fumble)
RB toss
QB keeper
RB toss

I’m pretty confident the game outcome is decided, but WTF is that?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2021, 10:10:34 PM
What a terrible sequence by Dabo. Down 21, third quarter winding down, their last 4 plays:

QB power run (fumble)
RB toss
QB keeper
RB toss

I’m pretty confident the game outcome is decided, but WTF is that?

And now they just punted on 4th and 6.

Its over regardless, but that legit just ended it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 10:13:54 PM
Wags

I generally agree with your insights on sports (and the world in general). but to me Clemson has not looked “surprised” at Ohio State’s “effort”. They’ve looked entirely overwhelmed and outclassed. 4+ minutes left in the 3rd Q, OSU has gained 538 yards and scored 6 TDs. But for a tipped pass it would be 7.

Maybe effort isn’t the right word, but I think they didn’t seem prepared for how completely on point OSU has been. OSU looked like shells of themselves down the stretch and have had tons adversity among their roster.

Thanks for the kind words otherwise  8-)

What a terrible sequence by Dabo. Down 21, third quarter winding down, their last 4 plays:

QB power run (fumble)
RB toss
QB keeper
RB toss

I’m pretty confident the game outcome is decided, but WTF is that?

If I was a Clemson fan I would be LIVID. Lawrence is a good runner, but he’s not Michael Vick. Yet they are trying to rely on his legs more than his arm. It’s baffling. That lasts possession of the 3rd looked like a white flag. That was some of the stupidest play calling for time and situation I’ve ever seen. Slow developing QB run and an option on 2nd and 3rd and long.

Jacksonville fans have to be nauseous
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 01, 2021, 10:16:23 PM
I’m selfish in that I wanted to see Lawrence try to comeback here. He hasn’t really had to do that much in college, and I was curious how he’d manage things. Oh well, complete a$$ kicking.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 10:18:39 PM
OSU with 611 yards, 7 TDs with a whole quarter left. Most dominating offensive performance in BCS history.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 10:30:04 PM


If I was a Clemson fan I would be LIVID.

If I was a Clemson fan I would be EMBARRASSED.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 10:42:16 PM
I’m selfish in that I wanted to see Lawrence try to comeback here. He hasn’t really had to do that much in college, and I was curious how he’d manage things. Oh well, complete a$$ kicking.

He’s still a lights out prospect and this won’t affect his draft stock. But he’s hasn’t been under pressure like this all year and he’s handled it TERRIBLE. Dude is like a deer in the headlights. It’s wild. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2021, 10:51:52 PM
He’s still a lights out prospect and this won’t affect his draft stock. But he’s hasn’t been under pressure like this all year and he’s handled it TERRIBLE. Dude is like a deer in the headlights. It’s wild.

Shell Shock makes all QBs look bad. His O line let him down.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 01, 2021, 11:12:53 PM
Think a team that has played 6 games is fresher than a team who has played 11?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 01, 2021, 11:15:01 PM
Think a team that has played 6 games is fresher than a team who has played 11?


Fresher, sure, but they were also disadvantaged by having missed an incredible number of practices and never having a chance to really get into a rhythm. It has been a strange season, but I think the games played thing is a wash.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 01, 2021, 11:30:36 PM
Just now heard snippets of Brian Kelly's post-game presser.

He actually seemed surprised and upset that the evil media was asking about his team's struggles in these playoff games.

I actually thought they were pretty nice to him. They should have asked, "Coach, how humiliating is it that you get your arses kicked every single time you get to the playoffs, over and over and over again?"
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 01, 2021, 11:36:41 PM
Just now heard snippets of Brian Kelly's post-game presser.

He actually seemed surprised and upset that the evil media was asking about his team's struggles in these playoff games.

I actually thought they were pretty nice to him. They should have asked, "Coach, how humiliating is it that you get your arses kicked every single time you get to the playoffs, over and over and over again?"

Shocked that a royal douche like Brian Kelly would handle yet another national stage embarrassment poorly.  He, like many of the ND faithful, relish when ND gets favorable perception and treatment in the media based on who they are and the program’s history, but then claim most slights as entirely unfair.  I saw lot of Twitter chatter today about an uneven playing field as ND has the burden of their Stanford like standards.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 01, 2021, 11:48:14 PM
Just now heard snippets of Brian Kelly's post-game presser.

He actually seemed surprised and upset that the evil media was asking about his team's struggles in these playoff games.

I actually thought they were pretty nice to him. They should have asked, "Coach, how humiliating is it that you get your arses kicked every single time you get to the playoffs, over and over and over again?"

"Coach Kelly, you've now murdered one person so that you could have video tape of a practice, but been murdered three times on the biggest stages.  Do you consider that a fair tradeoff?"
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2021, 12:21:41 AM
OSU with 611 yards, 7 TDs with a whole quarter left. Most dominating offensive performance in BCS history.

How are teams with all those 4-star and 5-star future pros so bad at defense?

I think there are many coaches who are better than Dabo or Saban or Kelly at the X’s and O’s of coaching. They just aren’t able to recruit the same quality of players.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2021, 01:08:43 AM
How are teams with all those 4-star and 5-star future pros so bad at defense?

I think there are many coaches who are better than Dabo or Saban or Kelly at the X’s and O’s of coaching. They just aren’t able to recruit the same quality of players.

FWIW, Dabo isn’t a defensive coach and never has been throughout his career. So the defensive failings aren’t so much on him. Venebles however is a very good DC, so it was kind of odd to see them struggle like this. Not having one of their leaders in the secondary for the first half hurt, and then losing their top LB mid game made it even worse.  They were a decent defensive team all year, but much of the defensive holes were covered up by usually blistering teams offensively and being able to attack when the opponent needed to play from behind.

I’d argue that Saban is actually a very good defensive Xs and Os coach, but he’s even a better leader of programs. His early Bama teams were defensive monsters more than the offensive megatons they are now. That started when he hired Kiffin and completely reshaped how they played offense. He’s an amazing recruiter, but dude structures a staff and game plan like nobody else
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 02, 2021, 07:38:52 AM
College recruiting is ridiculously in favor of alabama. Go look at the number of 5 stars they get and average class rank compared to any other program
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2021, 07:51:42 AM
College recruiting is ridiculously in favor of alabama. Go look at the number of 5 stars they get and average class rank compared to any other program

They're a machine right now.  They can point to playing meaningful games, developing players within their program, and getting them to the NFL.  Oh and graduating them with a degree.  And Saban has a reputation for recruiting without being dirty about it too.

Look at Mac Jones.  Was going to go to Kentucky, but decided to go to Bama despite Tua and Hurts already being there.  Do you think he wishes he was a two or three year starter at Kentucky or having the one year he is having now? 

If you were a top football recruit, why WOULDN'T you look at Alabama?

I gotta admit that I have grown to really love Nick Saban.  He's not some goofy personality.  He is self-depreciating enough to know he's obsessed about football and even jokes about it.  They don't use "turnover chains" or other things on the sidelines.  They just play football really well.  They tackle well, block well, etc.  Just a fun team to watch.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 02, 2021, 08:30:45 AM
Bama is the Kentucky of college football ... except their "1-and-done" caliber athletes stay for at least 3 years. So Saban gets the same kind of high-quality recruits Calipari does, but he can stack classes filled with them, and he benefits from them maturing into outstanding 20- and 21-year-olds before they leave.

As an aside ... I'm pretty sure that Saban is a better coach than Cal, too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 02, 2021, 09:15:04 AM

I gotta admit that I have grown to really love Nick Saban.  He's not some goofy personality.  He is self-depreciating enough to know he's obsessed about football and even jokes about it.  They don't use "turnover chains" or other things on the sidelines.  They just play football really well.  They tackle well, block well, etc.  Just a fun team to watch.



Agree completely. Love the self-deprecating attitude, his sideline demeanor, and the player development.

The spectacular plays - Harris hurdling the defender and the textbook TD pass from Jones to Smith - get the headlines, but everything is premised on outstanding fundamentals.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 02, 2021, 09:26:17 AM
I have never been one who liked bowl games, viewing them as a combination of an exhibition game and tourism opportunity. Many (most?) of them actually cost the participating schools money to play in, and I simply don't care about any of the teams playing in them.

Since the playoff system started, I have watched most playoff games because they help crown an actual champion. But I still never watch the other bowl games. With the playoffs, those other bowls are more meaningless than ever ... and they've always been meaningless IMHO.

The Orange Bowl and Gator Bowl are today. Are Scoopers gonna watch them? Why? I'm not judging anybody's decision to watch anything. I mean, I'm gonna watch tomorrow's Panthers game, and I wouldn't argue against anybody who called that "meaningless." Just curious to know why a Marquette alum would care about a football game between NC State and Kentucky.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2021, 09:31:15 AM
I will watch* the early game because I like football. I won’t watch the latter one because I will be watching the Warriors instead.

*it will be on while taking the Xmas decorations down.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 02, 2021, 09:44:18 AM
Forgot to mention that Kentucky is 4-6. And that the Outback Bowl, also today, features 4-5 Mississippi.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on January 02, 2021, 10:57:57 AM
I will be checking out the Orange Bowl during time outs in the MU game
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 02, 2021, 10:58:17 AM
I have never been one who liked bowl games, viewing them as a combination of an exhibition game and tourism opportunity. Many (most?) of them actually cost the participating schools money to play in, and I simply don't care about any of the teams playing in them.

Since the playoff system started, I have watched most playoff games because they help crown an actual champion. But I still never watch the other bowl games. With the playoffs, those other bowls are more meaningless than ever ... and they've always been meaningless IMHO.

The Orange Bowl and Gator Bowl are today. Are Scoopers gonna watch them? Why? I'm not judging anybody's decision to watch anything. I mean, I'm gonna watch tomorrow's Panthers game, and I wouldn't argue against anybody who called that "meaningless." Just curious to know why a Marquette alum would care about a football game between NC State and Kentucky.

Because there is much more in life than Marquette. And there is much more in sports than just the top few teams or players and your local geography.

Presumably, based on your posts, you identify with specific teams such as your school or current city. And, after that, the top few teams or players etc...in various sports. And certain specific teams bother you more than others. That works for you, great. But different people have different life experiences and different have different interests.

I greatly enjoyed bowl games as a kid, especially when they didn't have sponsor names. The big business of college football has changed a lot of things over time.

I would prefer that the playoff be expanded, and, that other teams can play bowl games up to/before the playoff games. Playing bowl games after the playoffs doesn't make much sense. But I am sure I will catch some of the action, just as I would in many other sports.

I don't need to watch the best few teams or players or leagues to enjoy sports.


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 02, 2021, 11:02:19 AM
Texas has fired Tom Herman.

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/01/02/statement-on-changes-in-football-coaching/

Chip Brown is saying Steve Sarkisian will be the new coach.

Herman is owed $15 million, and, his staff is owed an additional $8 million.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2021, 11:25:44 AM
I hope Sarkisian has left his troubles behind him. He has been a good coach when healthy.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 02, 2021, 12:41:45 PM
They're a machine right now.  They can point to playing meaningful games, developing players within their program, and getting them to the NFL.  Oh and graduating them with a degree.  And Saban has a reputation for recruiting without being dirty about it too.

Look at Mac Jones.  Was going to go to Kentucky, but decided to go to Bama despite Tua and Hurts already being there.  Do you think he wishes he was a two or three year starter at Kentucky or having the one year he is having now? 

If you were a top football recruit, why WOULDN'T you look at Alabama?

I gotta admit that I have grown to really love Nick Saban.  He's not some goofy personality.  He is self-depreciating enough to know he's obsessed about football and even jokes about it.  They don't use "turnover chains" or other things on the sidelines.  They just play football really well.  They tackle well, block well, etc.  Just a fun team to watch.

Completely agree. Saban can look like a bit of a dick at times but the dude knows football, he knows how to recruit without using gimmicks or corny mantra's. And he can flat out coach.

It's why I find it laughable that a guy like PJ Fleck has even one NFL team inquiring on him. That guy doesnt have a clue when it comes to actually coaching. But hes the perfect "face" of a program like Minnesota. Using corny slogans as his only way of communicating. Letting 3 stars be termed "elite" for catching a ball in practice. It appeals to the mind of a young kid hoping for a chance.

Guy would get run over in the NFL and at elite college programs where players ain't looking for corny participation trophies.

Saban is excellent because he simply does what he can to get great players to the next level.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 02, 2021, 01:01:07 PM
Because there is much more in life than Marquette. And there is much more in sports than just the top few teams or players and your local geography.

Presumably, based on your posts, you identify with specific teams such as your school or current city. And, after that, the top few teams or players etc...in various sports. And certain specific teams bother you more than others. That works for you, great. But different people have different life experiences and different have different interests.

I greatly enjoyed bowl games as a kid, especially when they didn't have sponsor names. The big business of college football has changed a lot of things over time.

I would prefer that the playoff be expanded, and, that other teams can play bowl games up to/before the playoff games. Playing bowl games after the playoffs doesn't make much sense. But I am sure I will catch some of the action, just as I would in many other sports.

I don't need to watch the best few teams or players or leagues to enjoy sports.

I watch a lot of sports that aren't Marquette and the Panthers, but I mostly prefer games that "matter" (in my eyes) and/or that feature athletes I consider truly remarkable. So for 20 years I was more likely to watch golf when Tiger was playing in the tournament than I was the John Deere Classic. Stuff like that.

I said I wouldn't judge other people's choices, so I won't. I'm glad you get something out of watching bowl games.

Texas has fired Tom Herman.

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/01/02/statement-on-changes-in-football-coaching/

Chip Brown is saying Steve Sarkisian will be the new coach.

Herman is owed $15 million, and, his staff is owed an additional $8 million.

UT laughs at the financial impact of the pandemic.

Herman seemed the absolute perfect hire at the time.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 02, 2021, 01:35:33 PM
I will be checking out the Orange Bowl during time outs in the MU game


Same here.

On the bigger question: I don't watch all - or even most - of the bowl games. But I tune in for interesting matchups of good teams, like a strong team one P5 conference against a strong team from another P5 conference (TAMU vs UNC)...or an undefeated team from a lower conference against a 1-3 loss team from a P5 conference (like UGa vs Cinci, Boise State a few yers back, etc).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 02, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
I watch a lot of sports that aren't Marquette and the Panthers, but I mostly prefer games that "matter" (in my eyes) and/or that feature athletes I consider truly remarkable. So for 20 years I was more likely to watch golf when Tiger was playing in the tournament than I was the John Deere Classic. Stuff like that.

I said I wouldn't judge other people's choices, so I won't. I'm glad you get something out of watching bowl games.

UT laughs at the financial impact of the pandemic.

Herman seemed the absolute perfect hire at the time.

You definitely seem to have a pattern based on your posts. Golf to watch Tiger, tennis to watch Nadal etc... And, you are certainly not alone, as Tiger for example has driven golf ratings for a long time.

But that approach isn't mine. Sure I'll enjoy those things, but I'm interested in a wide variety of story lines, teams, players of various kinds, and levels. Maybe it's from practicing or playing, or watching in person or from afar, or from coaching, or scouting, or player development, or from being involved in some other aspects of sports, I'm not sure. The athleticism, skill, individual and team play, the x's and o's strategy, stories of wide varieties are all part of it for me.

A Challenger tour tennis player trying to survive, wins qualifying, or gets a $60k wildcard in a slam. That can be every bit as compelling as watching a slam final.  You don't have to watch Champions League or the few top European Leagues and teams to enjoy soccer. And so on...those things are great, but that's just one small part of it all for me.

I am not particularly interested in preseason, exhibition, results etc...I would get more out of practice than that. But as far as college or pro, or other levels of regular season or post season, Men or Women, all of those games matter plenty to those players, coaches, fans of those teams etc...

I also don't have some of the dislike of various teams or players that some others would have more than me on average.

People like what they like. As long as people are respectful, ans come from a way to seek to understand first, that's okay.


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 02:02:09 PM
Oh yes, I'll I have eye on the Fiesta and Orange Bowl. I miss the old days when it was all on NYD. I have multiple tv's with hoops on the other.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
I'll out myself and suffer the abuse that comes with it: I'm a Notre Dame fan. Have been all my life. In fact, it wasn't really a choice when I was growing up; fall often centered around Notre Dame football. I have so many memories that involve ND football - ranging from watching them beat Alabama in the 1975 Orange Bowl on a family vacation, to watching them beat WVU for the Championship in Phoenix in 1989, to watching them beat Florida State in October in what turns out was the last time my entire family was together before my brother's death. Notre Dame football has always been a big part of my life.

So, I think I'm qualified to offer a Notre Dame fan's perspective on all of this. I hate it. Don't get me wrong...I love that Notre Dame is one of the best programs in college football these days. I know that drives a lot of people crazy, but it's pretty much undeniable. They are a very, very good program. And, for a fan, that's pretty cool.  But what I hate is that they always get invited into bowl games that they don't deserve because they have a lot of fans and (in normal years) the fans travel well. So they get their asses kicked. Regularly. And it has made some really, really good teams a laughingstock. I would much rather see them have a solid season, get a bowl game that is appropriate for the level of their team, and be competitive -- winning more than they lose. But they'll keep getting invited to games that they don't deserve and will keep getting crushed by superior teams.

For the record, last night's game was closer than I expected.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 02:31:40 PM
That was the 73 Sugar Bowl where ND beat Alabama. Gained a share of National Title. NYE night. Tornado before the game. One of the highest rated games. Guess that is why Bill Hancock tried making the CFP on NYE a thing.  :o Times have changed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 02, 2021, 02:34:07 PM

Same here.

On the bigger question: I don't watch all - or even most - of the bowl games. But I tune in for interesting matchups of good teams, like a strong team one P5 conference against a strong team from another P5 conference (TAMU vs UNC)...or an undefeated team from a lower conference against a 1-3 loss team from a P5 conference (like UGa vs Cinci, Boise State a few yers back, etc).

Rapid build for Brown. He doesn't have his defense yet but the offense is fun to watch. Really building something good there in the next few years. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
That was the 74 Sugar Bowl where ND beat Alabama. Gained a share of National Title.

Actually, since I was in Miami, I'm pretty comfortable saying it was the 1975 Orange Bowl.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 02:37:25 PM
Actually, since I was in Miami, I'm pretty comfortable saying it was the 1975 Orange Bowl.
Yes, you are correct. 1975 Orange Bowl cost Alabama. Thought you were speaking of the National Title in 1973.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Yes, you are correct.

Yeah, I know.

Gotta love 'Scoop...you post about childhood memories and someone corrects you.   ;)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 02:45:08 PM
Yeah, I know.

Gotta love 'Scoop...you post about childhood memories and someone corrects you.   ;)

I get it. Lol. Egg on the face.

You just don't hear about the 75 Orange Bowl as you hear about the 73 Sugar Bowl on TV or ESPN Classic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 02, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
I'll out myself and suffer the abuse that comes with it: I'm a Notre Dame fan. Have been all my life. In fact, it wasn't really a choice when I was growing up; fall often centered around Notre Dame football. I have so many memories that involve ND football - ranging from watching them beat Alabama in the 1975 Orange Bowl on a family vacation, to watching them beat WVU for the Championship in Phoenix in 1989, to watching them beat Florida State in October in what turns out was the last time my entire family was together before my brother's death. Notre Dame football has always been a big part of my life.

So, I think I'm qualified to offer a Notre Dame fan's perspective on all of this. I hate it. Don't get me wrong...I love that Notre Dame is one of the best programs in college football these days. I know that drives a lot of people crazy, but it's pretty much undeniable. They are a very, very good program. And, for a fan, that's pretty cool.  But what I hate is that they always get invited into bowl games that they don't deserve because they have a lot of fans and (in normal years) the fans travel well. So they get their asses kicked. Regularly. And it has made some really, really good teams a laughingstock. I would much rather see them have a solid season, get a bowl game that is appropriate for the level of their team, and be competitive -- winning more than they lose. But they'll keep getting invited to games that they don't deserve and will keep getting crushed by superior teams.

For the record, last night's game was closer than I expected.

Notre Dame has been a top 12 or better program six out of the last eight seasons. Many schools would be thrilled with that. They haven't been able to be the best 1-2 teams but neither has almost everyone else.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Matt Campbell is made for the B10. He’s a very good coach and built a good program in a place that is very tough to win but I can’t stand to watch his teams. He has an NFL talent at QB, variety of skill players who will play on Sunday, and he wants to hold the ball every possession for 5+ min, calls one of the most conservative games I’ve ever seen, and relies on being “better” at execution instead of being creative. That’s the reason his teams will always have a ceiling. It’s been a LONG time since a team playing like that has won a title
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 04:46:07 PM
Urban Meyer to be the next head coach of the Jacksonville Jags.
-NFL Network
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
Urban Meyer to be the next head coach of the Jacksonville Jags.
-NFL Network

Will they draft Fields over Lawrence?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on January 02, 2021, 05:02:11 PM
Will they draft Fields over Lawrence?
They should.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 05:13:09 PM
Will they draft Fields over Lawrence?

Good question. I would say, no.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2021, 05:17:10 PM
Urban Meyer to be the next head coach of the Jacksonville Jags.
-NFL Network

Glad his heart is remarkably fixed! Should hold up until the Jags miss on a couple drafts or he gets word that the ND job is a year away from opening up, then his health and his family supersede football
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 02, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Glad his heart is remarkably fixed! Should hold up until the Jags miss on a couple drafts or he gets word that the ND job is a year away from opening up, then his health and his family supersede football

A few years old but a wicked send up of old Urbs.  The reporter stayed away from the rumor that the reason Meyer left UF is his wife caught him having an affair with his secretary.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-sp-urban-meyer-ohio-state-buckeyes-gators-retirement-20181204-story.html


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
A few years old but a wicked send up of old Urbs.  The reporter stayed away from the rumor that the reason Meyer left UF is his wife caught him having an affair with his secretary.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-sp-urban-meyer-ohio-state-buckeyes-gators-retirement-20181204-story.html

Brilliant and spot on. My roommate at the time had an uncle who is influential and long tenured faculty at UF. Said roommate was a massive UF football fan to the extent he has a dog named Urban. But the word he got from his uncle was not just a secretary, but multiple messy affairs with coeds, which didn’t stay quiet and enraged not just his wife, but his daughters
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 02, 2021, 06:05:07 PM
They should.

No they shouldn’t.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2021, 06:15:06 PM
2020 Bowl Season strikes again in the Fiesta Bowl. Oregon offense looks anemic and Cristobal punts on 4th and 2 and 4th and 3 when down 2 possessions. And we all know my buddy Campbell would be totally fine not scoring again while holding the ball indefinitely if leading at halftime. Yawn
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2021, 06:16:51 PM
Wonder if Tom Herman will end up on Urban’s staff at Jacksonville.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 02, 2021, 08:46:25 PM
Harbaugh gonna get an extension!!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 02, 2021, 09:32:19 PM
Harbaugh gonna get an extension!!
Do you think they’re “extending” him because they know he’s going to NFL and they’re just increasing buyout?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 02, 2021, 09:32:59 PM
Do you think they’re “extending” him because they know he’s going to NFL and they’re just increasing buyout?

No idea. But the optics, especially compared to Texas, are hilarious
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 02, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Harbaugh only had 1 year left. Had to add on years. Michigan wasn't going to fire him. To hire whom?

By the way, great Orange Bowl tonight!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 02, 2021, 10:23:05 PM
Do you think they’re “extending” him because they know he’s going to NFL and they’re just increasing buyout?

No. Contract was up next year and that being used against UM in recruiting. This says “he’s going to be here” but lowers the buyout for UM.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 02, 2021, 10:38:34 PM
Wow. Tight game for 55 minutes, then A&M just steamrolled Carolina down the stretch. Pretty impressive finish.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 02, 2021, 10:56:59 PM
Wow. Tight game for 55 minutes, then A&M just steamrolled Carolina down the stretch. Pretty impressive finish.

UNC dropped the go ahead TD pass to put them up 34-27.

Pretty good performance considering they were without their two running backs, leading receiver, and leading tackler. Every team has to deal with opt outs nowadays but starting next year UNC will have more depth for that stuff. Their recruiting classes have been very strong.

UNC had yet another chance down 7 but couldn't convert a yard on two chances on 3rd and 4th down.


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 05, 2021, 06:07:38 PM
Alleged covid problems at OSU.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Not A Serious Person on January 05, 2021, 06:09:51 PM
Alleged covid problems at OSU.

Amazing how all of CBB changes rules and bends over backward for tOSU.

Ohio State-Alabama game could be postponed due to COVID-19 issues
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/ohio-state-alabama-could-be-postponed-covid-19/571295

Ohio State and Alabama are set to face off in the College Football Playoff National Championship on Monday, but there is a chance the game could be pushed back a week.

According to John Talty and Matt Zenitz of AL.com, Ohio State is dealing with issues related to COVID-19 that have threatened the availability of players. The Buckeyes are concerned they could be without a position group if the game is played on Monday as scheduled.

Discussions have been held between the SEC, Big Ten and College Football Playoff officials about potentially rescheduling the game. No final decision has been made, but the contingency plan is to play the game at Hard Rock Stadium a week later on Jan. 18.

Ohio State’s season has already been significantly impacted by COVID-19. The Buckeyes had a key game against Michigan canceled, which nearly resulted in them not qualifying for the Big Ten Championship Game. The conference then amended its rules to make Ohio State eligible, which helped get them into the College Football Playoff.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 05, 2021, 06:57:21 PM
Smith just won the Heisman Trophy. First WR to win it since 1991.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 05, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
Smith just won the Heisman Trophy. First WR to win it since 1991.

Since Desmond Howard in 1991 20 QB’ won it, 7 RB’s, and Charles Woodson (a.k.a. Not Peyton Manning) have won it. Glad to see Smith break through.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 05, 2021, 07:36:49 PM
Amazing how all of CBB changes rules and bends over backward for tOSU.

Ohio State-Alabama game could be postponed due to COVID-19 issues
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/ohio-state-alabama-could-be-postponed-covid-19/571295

Ohio State and Alabama are set to face off in the College Football Playoff National Championship on Monday, but there is a chance the game could be pushed back a week.

According to John Talty and Matt Zenitz of AL.com, Ohio State is dealing with issues related to COVID-19 that have threatened the availability of players. The Buckeyes are concerned they could be without a position group if the game is played on Monday as scheduled.

Discussions have been held between the SEC, Big Ten and College Football Playoff officials about potentially rescheduling the game. No final decision has been made, but the contingency plan is to play the game at Hard Rock Stadium a week later on Jan. 18.

Ohio State’s season has already been significantly impacted by COVID-19. The Buckeyes had a key game against Michigan canceled, which nearly resulted in them not qualifying for the Big Ten Championship Game. The conference then amended its rules to make Ohio State eligible, which helped get them into the College Football Playoff.

They aren’t changing any rules. They have said that they could postpone the semis and the finals and even named the dates ahead of time.

This is well within the rules.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2021, 07:58:53 PM
Smith just won the Heisman Trophy. First WR to win it since 1991.


Very well deserved.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 08, 2021, 10:09:07 AM
Buckeyes nearly at the threshold of not having enough players for the Championship.  COVID outbreak, apparently especially on the defensive line. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 08, 2021, 05:39:09 PM
Buckeyes nearly at the threshold of not having enough players for the Championship.  COVID outbreak, apparently especially on the defensive line.


If tOSU's defense is severely limited, 'Bama could have 50 by halftime....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 07:20:25 PM
Fields' first pass was a screen throw he didn't get high enough. Then he had happy feet and bailed right away on the third-down play.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 11, 2021, 07:35:05 PM
Fields' first pass was a screen throw he didn't get high enough. Then he had happy feet and bailed right away on the third-down play.

And Trey Sermon did not look good heading to the locker room. They way he was holding that arm makes we wonder if it’s a collar bone injury.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 07:40:00 PM
Bama goes in for the TD ... but then Fields looks MUCH better on the next drive to set up the TD. Fun game so far!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2021, 07:56:31 PM
Doesn’t look like Saban intends to kick any field goals tonight.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 07:58:50 PM
I'm gonna say something real controversial now ...

Smith is really effen good.

There. I said it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 08:16:21 PM
Giving OSU touchdowns with turnovers is the only way Bama can lose this game IMHO.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2021, 08:19:52 PM
Giving OSU touchdowns with turnovers is the only way Bama can lose this game IMHO.


Yep. OSU is looking strong, but Bama is just a machine.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 08:33:47 PM
Definitely targeting. Like Herbstreit says, you don't have to like it, but it's the rule. Don't lead with the crown of your effen helmet.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 11, 2021, 08:38:08 PM
Easier said than done.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 11, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
They really need to go with the NFL timing system in college. Stopping the clock every first down makes the game so long. Going on a 2 hour first half.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2021, 08:49:29 PM
Wow - Smith is absolutely unstoppable tonight. Great play-calling by Sark, and remarkable execution by Jones and Smith.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 08:50:31 PM
They really need to go with the NFL timing system in college. Stopping the clock every first down makes the game so long. Going on a 2 hour first half.

100%

Games are ridiculously long. And halftime lasts forever. But who knows if they'll ever change.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 08:54:01 PM
Wow - Smith is absolutely unstoppable tonight. Great play-calling by Sark, and remarkable execution by Jones and Smith.

1. The last thing the Panthers need is a WR. But if Smith happens to be there when their pick comes up, I would take him in a heartbeat. He is one of the best college football players I've seen in years.

2. In addition to getting outplayed, OSU is getting outcoached. No way can a LB be expected to stay anywhere near Smith on that play.

3. I was quite certain Bama would win, but I was hoping OSU would at least keep it competitive. Doesn't look like it.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on January 11, 2021, 08:55:46 PM
I think the longer games add opportunities for TV and radio broadcast partners . Also Sell more stuff inside the stadium.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: nyg on January 11, 2021, 08:56:15 PM
Fields is 6 for 15 for 90 yards.  NFL scouts wanted to see how he did against Bama, not so good yet.

Jones is 22 for 25 for 319. 

Bama with 6 possessions, 5 touchdowns.  First fumble by Jones, ever and that handed OSU 7 points.  Could be 42 to 10. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2021, 09:05:39 PM
1. The last thing the Panthers need is a WR. But if Smith happens to be there when their pick comes up, I would take him in a heartbeat. He is one of the best college football players I've seen in years.

2. In addition to getting outplayed, OSU is getting outcoached. No way can a LB be expected to stay anywhere near Smith on that play.

3. I was quite certain Bama would win, but I was hoping OSU would at least keep it competitive. Doesn't look like it.

Jets are insane if they don't take him.

Dolphins even more so
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Big East on January 11, 2021, 09:08:50 PM
I like how Alabama methodically goes about their business with out a lot of drama. Reminds of the Packers in the 60s, who coincidentally were led by an Alabama game manager style quarterback in Bart Starr.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: nyg on January 11, 2021, 09:13:21 PM
Jets are insane if they don't take him.

Dolphins even more so

As a Jets fan, they will not take Smith.

Jets will keep Darnold and take Sewell.  Trade Darnold and draft QB or keep Darnold and trade down.

Bengals at number 5 want Sewell, but if not there, Smith a no brainer. Same with Eagles at 6.  He is very special
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 11, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
I like how Alabama methodically goes about their business with out a lot of drama. Reminds of the Packers in the 60s, who coincidentally were led by an Alabama game manager style quarterback in Bart Starr.

Yep. All business. Just so methodical.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: copious1218 on January 11, 2021, 09:30:25 PM
As a Jets fan, they will not take Smith.

Jets will keep Darnold and take Sewell.  Trade Darnold and draft QB or keep Darnold and trade down.

Bengals at number 5 want Sewell, but if not there, Smith a no brainer. Same with Eagles at 6.  He is very special

If the jets could keep darnold, trade down to 4 or 7 and still take smith, it would be ideal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 09:35:52 PM
They are lionizing Waddle for playing through his injury, saying all that matters to him is winning a national title.

I do think that's great. But if he had decided otherwise, to skip the game and protect his multimillion-dollar future, that would not have made him "lesser than."

I'm all for the athletes doing whatever they feel they should. I hope the decision was all his and that he didn't feel pressured to play. I have no reason to believe it's anything but that, obviously.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 10:36:00 PM
OK, I've seen enough. Bama is too good.

Time to watch Colbert!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 11, 2021, 10:42:39 PM
Notre Dame has been in the semis twice in the past three years. Both times they lost to the eventual National Champion. And, both times they lost their semifinal games by less points than the losing team in the National Championship games.





Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 11, 2021, 10:43:00 PM
ND sucks.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 11, 2021, 11:00:43 PM
Notre Dame has been in the semis twice in the past three years. Both times they lost to the eventual National Champion. And, both times they lost their semifinal games by less points than the losing team in the National Championship games.

And each time they got down big early and the opponent took their foot off the pedal to prevent injuries for the game that mattered.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 11, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Smith is a stud but I think Ja'Maar Chase is better.  Will be interesting to see which one is the first WR drafted.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2021, 11:13:08 PM
Notre Dame has been in the semis twice in the past three years. Both times they lost to the eventual National Champion. And, both times they lost their semifinal games by less points than the losing team in the National Championship games.

Banner time!

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 11, 2021, 11:15:06 PM
And each time they got down big early and the opponent took their foot off the pedal to prevent injuries for the game that mattered.

You of course are missing the point.

When Clemson won the National Title over Alabama a few years ago, they led by 27 in the 3rd quarter. They scored 31 first half points. And, Alabama scored zero 2nd half points.

Alabama led tonight by 18 at halftime in a 28 point lopsided score.

These weren’t close games.



Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 11, 2021, 11:25:16 PM
14 of the 21 CFP games have been decided by at least 17 points and the last three title games have been decided by 28, 17 and 28 points.

That’s a lot of losses to blame on Notre Dame.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 12, 2021, 06:39:48 AM
I like how Alabama methodically goes about their business with out a lot of drama. Reminds of the Packers in the 60s, who coincidentally were led by an Alabama game manager style quarterback in Bart Starr.
That’s how great Saban’s system is. One of his kids creates drama or showboats, they get benched and replaced by someone who is just as good or will be the next star.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 12, 2021, 06:55:48 AM
14 of the 21 CFP games have been decided by at least 17 points and the last three title games have been decided by 28, 17 and 28 points.

That’s a lot of losses to blame on Notre Dame.

Blaming Notre Dame for what?

Your problem in trying to give Notre Dame credit for being more competitive with Alabama is that the team Ohio State just beat by like 30 in the semifinals had just beat Notre Dame by like 30 in the ACC Championship game.

But congrats to Notre Dame for only being down by like 20 at half in the semifinals. Solid showing by them.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 12, 2021, 07:57:16 AM
Also, the other thing about the past three championships being blowouts and it's not Notre Dame's "fault" is that the three teams that have been blown out in those games all have national championships in the CFP era/past decade.  Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have shown they can compete with the very best teams in the country.  Compare that to Notre Dame getting boat raced every time they have played in a championship game/CFP semifinal and there's a pretty big difference.  They finally play in a conference title game?  Blown out.  Two CFP semifinal appearances and one BCS title appearance?  Blown out in all 3.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2021, 08:04:48 AM
14 of the 21 CFP games have been decided by at least 17 points and the last three title games have been decided by 28, 17 and 28 points.

That’s a lot of losses to blame on Notre Dame.

Who's "blaming" ND for anything?

Just saying that a team that lost its last two games by a combined 41 points -- and easily could have lost by a combined 61 or more if the opponents hadn't put it on cruise control, as if that even matters -- shouldn't be bragged about.

They had precisely two wins against good teams this season, one in 2OT against a Clemson team playing without the No. 1 NFL draft pick and also its best defensive player. And once in the playoffs, they were NEVER a factor; as soon as their first possession failed vs Bama, the game was over.

But again, hang a banner!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on January 12, 2021, 08:07:21 AM
Also, the other thing about the past three championships being blowouts and it's not Notre Dame's "fault" is that the three teams that have been blown out in those games all have national championships in the CFP era/past decade.  Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have shown they can compete with the very best teams in the country.  Compare that to Notre Dame getting boat raced every time they have played in a championship game/CFP semifinal and there's a pretty big difference.  They finally play in a conference title game?  Blown out.  Two CFP semifinal appearances and one BCS title appearance?  Blown out in all 3.

What would you rather be? Blown out in all three or not be invited?

Notre Dame had a great team this year. Alabama arguably may have had the best college football team in history. Like it or not, Alabama blew out almost everything it ran into this year.

Ohio State, Notre Dame and Clemson can't say the same thing. Nor can Georgia, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, Florida and a host of other teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 12, 2021, 08:13:38 AM
What would you rather be? Blown out in all three or not be invited?

Notre Dame had a great team this year. Alabama arguably may have had the best college football team in history. Like it or not, Alabama blew out almost everything it ran into this year.

Ohio State, Notre Dame and Clemson can't say the same thing. Nor can Georgia, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, Florida and a host of other teams.

I'd rather a program that won't be looked at as a bye week make it in as the 4 seed.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 08:17:00 AM
Who's "blaming" ND for anything?

Just saying that a team that lost its last two games by a combined 41 points -- and easily could have lost by a combined 61 or more if the opponents hadn't put it on cruise control, as if that even matters -- shouldn't be bragged about.

They had precisely two wins against good teams this season, one in 2OT against a Clemson team playing without the No. 1 NFL draft pick and also its best defensive player. And once in the playoffs, they were NEVER a factor; as soon as their first possession failed vs Bama, the game was over.

But again, hang a banner!

Who is bragging about Notre Dame? I never said they did great in the CFP semis. I very matter of factly stated they did just as well as the teams in the title games (Alabama and Ohio St. In this example)

There was some discussion going around that Notre Dame didn't belong in the semis.

It's startling just how easily triggered some people get here when someone posts about Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Tom Crean or Buzz Williams etc or insert team or person here. The tribal insecurity is palpable.

There are people out there, even MU Rah Rah alums, without that angst, and capable.of objective discussion on those topics.





Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 08:23:30 AM
That’s how great Saban’s system is. One of his kids creates drama or showboats, they get benched and replaced by someone who is just as good or will be the next star.

Saban gets a roster full of 5 star recruits. He does try to recruit coachable 5 star recruits, and, ones that fit his system.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 12, 2021, 08:28:35 AM
Who is bragging about Notre Dame? I never said they did great in the CFP semis. I very matter of factly stated they did just as well as the teams in the title games (Alabama and Ohio St. In this example)

There was some discussion going around that Notre Dame didn't belong in the semis.

It's startling just how easily triggered some people get here when someone posts about Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Tom Crean or Buzz Williams etc or insert team or person here. The tribal insecurity is palpable.

There are people out there, even MU Rah Rah alums, without that angst, and capable.of objective discussion on those topics.

Yes.  The assertion that if you want Notre Dame out of the CFP, you should also want Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State out because they've lost just as badly, or worse, is going to bring a response.  Because it's entirely silly.  Notre Dame has had 3 chances in the past couple of decades to prove they belong with the best of the best.  They've been blown out all 3 times.  Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have also been blown out.  But that's after they won a semifinal game.  And that's after (and before, for Alabama) they won national titles.  Sure Notre Dame has won national titles before.  33 years ago being their most recent.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 08:37:58 AM
Yes.  The assertion that if you want Notre Dame out of the CFP, you should also want Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State out because they've lost just as badly, or worse, is going to bring a response.  Because it's entirely silly.  Notre Dame has had 3 chances in the past couple of decades to prove they belong with the best of the best.  They've been blown out all 3 times.  Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have also been blown out.  But that's after they won a semifinal game.  And that's after (and before, for Alabama) they won national titles.  Sure Notre Dame has won national titles before.  33 years ago being their most recent.

Again, you're triggered and not following the posts.

My post(s) didn't say that Notre Dame has had as much CFP success as Alabama, Clemson, or even Ohio St. Clearly they haven't. It's a pretty short list Nationally.

In the two particular years they played in CFP semis, they lost to the eventual champion by less than the finals team. That's what I said. And it still stands. It that triggers you, so be it.



Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 12, 2021, 08:43:21 AM
Again, you're triggered and not following the posts.

My post(s) didn't say that Notre Dame has had as much CFP success as Alabama, Clemson, or even Ohio St. Clearly they haven't. It's a pretty short list Nationally.

In the two particular years they played in CFP semis, they lost to the eventual champion by less than the finals team. That's what I said. And it still stands. It that triggers you, so be it.

Congratulations to Notre Dame.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
Again, you're triggered and not following the posts.

My post(s) didn't say that Notre Dame has had as much CFP success as Alabama, Clemson, or even Ohio St. Clearly they haven't. It's a pretty short list Nationally.

In the two particular years they played in CFP semis, they lost to the eventual champion by less than the finals team. That's what I said. And it still stands. It that triggers you, so be it.


I mean yeah...it stands.  But I am not sure it means anything.  The two times they have been in the CFP, they've deserved it. 

People just like to rag on them because they act like their farts don't stink.  Even though they definitely do.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2021, 10:46:34 AM
Najee Harris takes a reporter's question to task.

https://twitter.com/priestas/status/1349026383549358082?s=20
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 10:54:48 AM

I mean yeah...it stands.  But I am not sure it means anything.  The two times they have been in the CFP, they've deserved it. 

People just like to rag on them because they act like their farts don't stink.  Even though they definitely do.

That's what I was saying. They were deserving, and it isn't as though people can rattle off a list of many more deserving teams and/or teams that would have done better. It's more of a comment about a handful of teams of 5 star players dominating the landscape. Saban has 7 National Titles in 16 years.

And in my experience, every fan base has good, bad, indifferent fans. I don't really get that part.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 12, 2021, 11:02:33 AM
That's what I was saying. They were deserving, and it isn't as though people can rattle off a list of many more deserving teams and/or teams that would have done better. It's more of a comment about a handful of teams of 5 star players dominating the landscape. Saban has 7 National Titles in 16 years.

And in my experience, every fan base has good, bad, indifferent fans. I don't really get that part.

I’ve yet to meet an indifferent ND fan.  Maybe indifferent ND alumni, but in my ample experience from Chicago to NYC to LA, their fans are either arrogant and obnoxious or over the top in saying why their extremely tenuous connection to the program justifies their militant approach to the team or college football arguments defending them.

They got destroyed in yet another CFP semi and I saw/heard multiple people immediately saying it’s not fair cause ND has recruiting standards and nobody else does except Stanford and NW
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
I’ve yet to meet an indifferent ND fan.  Maybe indifferent ND alumni, but in my ample experience from Chicago to NYC to LA, their fans are either arrogant and obnoxious or over the top in saying why their extremely tenuous connection to the program justifies their militant approach to the team or college football arguments defending them.


It's also their administration with Jenkins saying they would leave major college football if players were getting paid, or the whole hypocrisy with how they handled the storming the field incident from the fall.

They have an outsized image of themselves and their role in the college football world.  So seeing them get their a$$ run over in a semifinal game is very enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on January 12, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Ironically ND deserved to get in more this year than the past years becuase they had to play in a conference championship game. What I hate about the ND - playoff relationship is that not belonging to a conference plays to their advantage scheduling-wise.  They play a tough enough schedule to never get left out for lack of quality opponents, and then they don't have to play in a conference championship at the end. When you add-in the recency issue that their scheduling mainstays have been relatively down lately - USC, Michigan, etc have been good enough to matter but not good enough to beat a top 5-10 team, ACC has been Clemson and then a huge gap to everyone else - and that soft factors will always lean toward ND, they've got a very nice setup to get in.

I don't necessarily think that teams that would get in over ND would fare much better, but it would at least be more interesting to see teams with conference affiliations rotate into that spot more often than ND, who is to my qualitative eye typically somewhere in the neighborhood of the 8th - 12th best team in the country when that first playoff game is actually played.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
I’ve yet to meet an indifferent ND fan.  Maybe indifferent ND alumni, but in my ample experience from Chicago to NYC to LA, their fans are either arrogant and obnoxious or over the top in saying why their extremely tenuous connection to the program justifies their militant approach to the team or college football arguments defending them.

They got destroyed in yet another CFP semi and I saw/heard multiple people immediately saying it’s not fair cause ND has recruiting standards and nobody else does except Stanford and NW

It would appear your issue is with certain specific non ND alums in your personal life experience. Certain specific "Subway" alums.

Every school has fans that are both alums and non-alums. Both are valued. Non alums don't hold less value. If non alums of Marquette want to come and support the Men's and Women's sports programs, great. Of course these will be a mix of good, bad, indifferent fans so to speak. And even among alums and non alums, there are a wide variety of types of fans in each group. Based on MU boards, MU games, and elsewhere, there are some people living in glass houses. Now MU isn't going to get as much attention as an ND. Maybe that's part of it for some.

I've spent considerable time at ND, and, around both alums and non-alum ND fans across the country. Every experience has been more about the person than the school. It varies, like anywhere else. The vast majority of ND alums and non alum fans I've encountered (certainly not all) are pretty level headed about their place as a top 10-15 program under Kelly. That's what they are and have been overall, occasionally better.  They know that if they want to be one of the top one or two or three teams, they will need to recruit better players more often.

There will always be some fans (alum and not) that make excuses at every school. Some players, coaches, admin do it too. Some are more candid.

Football of course rules the roost there, and at times some ND people are less interested less invested in some of their other sports programs. Again, that varies too but is certainly common.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on January 12, 2021, 11:29:56 AM
I'd rather a program that won't be looked at as a bye week make it in as the 4 seed.

Brother BLM:

Having watched Alabama play Notre Dame and Ohio State, I think the bye week came in the National Championship game. Everybody was slaughtered by Alabama this year. Gave a whole new meaning to the saying, "roll Tide..."

Notre Dame has some growing to do if it intends to be National Champions again -- and, by the way, I'm not a fan. But, even so, Notre Dame is far closer than it has been in years. Kelley has been good for the Irish and if the growth curve continues, Notre Dame will win a Natty again.

Of course, their alumni will again be insufferable (as if they ever stopped being that way).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 12, 2021, 11:37:51 AM
Indiana's football season ended Week 5 when they lost to Ohio State by a touchdown.

TAMU's football season ended Week 2 when they lost to Alabama.

Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina's football seasons ended Week 0 when their schedules weren't strong enough.

This is why I can never really get into college football. I need at least the statistical probability of making the playoffs to find a sport interesting. When an early season loss to one of the best teams in the country is enough to eliminate you from the playoffs,  or when you can go undefeated and not make the playoffs, that's a problem for me.

Expand the CFP!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2021, 11:37:55 AM
Ironically ND deserved to get in more this year than the past years becuase they had to play in a conference championship game. What I hate about the ND - playoff relationship is that not belonging to a conference plays to their advantage scheduling-wise.  They play a tough enough schedule to never get left out for lack of quality opponents, and then they don't have to play in a conference championship at the end. When you add-in the recency issue that their scheduling mainstays have been relatively down lately - USC, Michigan, etc have been good enough to matter but not good enough to beat a top 5-10 team, ACC has been Clemson and then a huge gap to everyone else - and that soft factors will always lean toward ND, they've got a very nice setup to get in.

I don't necessarily think that teams that would get in over ND would fare much better, but it would at least be more interesting to see teams with conference affiliations rotate into that spot more often than ND, who is to my qualitative eye typically somewhere in the neighborhood of the 8th - 12th best team in the country when that first playoff game is actually played.

But they have only been in the College Football Playoffs twice.  This year they deserved their spot.  In 2018-19, they got in undefeated.  The only team with an argument that they deserved a birth would have been Ohio State, which played a better schedule but inexplicably lost to an average Purdue team.

In 2012-13, they were the #1 team in the country before getting hammered by Alabama in the BCS National Championship (no semis).  And the question about "who deserved it" wasn't about ND, it was about Alabama who lost to A&M that year.  Oregon, Florida and Kansas State were also one loss teams, but Alabama beat #3 Georgia in the SEC Championship Game.  (Had Georgia won that game, they undoubtedly would have received the bid.)

Prior to that they were in a couple non-championship BCS bowls.  No idea if those were deserved or not, but they draw eyeballs.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 11:39:35 AM
Ironically ND deserved to get in more this year than the past years becuase they had to play in a conference championship game. What I hate about the ND - playoff relationship is that not belonging to a conference plays to their advantage scheduling-wise.  They play a tough enough schedule to never get left out for lack of quality opponents, and then they don't have to play in a conference championship at the end. When you add-in the recency issue that their scheduling mainstays have been relatively down lately - USC, Michigan, etc have been good enough to matter but not good enough to beat a top 5-10 team, ACC has been Clemson and then a huge gap to everyone else - and that soft factors will always lean toward ND, they've got a very nice setup to get in.

I don't necessarily think that teams that would get in over ND would fare much better, but it would at least be more interesting to see teams with conference affiliations rotate into that spot more often than ND, who is to my qualitative eye typically somewhere in the neighborhood of the 8th - 12th best team in the country when that first playoff game is actually played.

This is reasonable. Notre Dame plays more of pro style ball control offense, and, that works, and is aesthetically fine vs most teams in the country except one or two or so right now. But against the top team that season, it's difficult to do when you get down against a more explosive 5 star player offense. Then the aesthetics decline. They don't have the team speed and players to play any system. They would have to go out and recruit and get more of those players. It hasn't been something they have been able to do. They were more physical and better at the line of scrimmage on both sides.

Expanding to 8 or 16 may open up exposure and opportunities for more more teams to both get in and to improve recruiting. I'd be in favor of that.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
You of course are missing the point.

When Clemson won the National Title over Alabama a few years ago, they led by 27 in the 3rd quarter. They scored 31 first half points. And, Alabama scored zero 2nd half points.

Alabama led tonight by 18 at halftime in a 28 point lopsided score.

These weren’t close games.

No, you defending ND and their performance in the semifinals.

You seem to spend more time pretending to be an insider with other programs than you do talking about MU (because we all care so much about Vanderbilt and Arizona football).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2021, 11:49:51 AM
I’ve yet to meet an indifferent ND fan.  Maybe indifferent ND alumni, but in my ample experience from Chicago to NYC to LA, their fans are either arrogant and obnoxious or over the top in saying why their extremely tenuous connection to the program justifies their militant approach to the team or college football arguments defending them.

They got destroyed in yet another CFP semi and I saw/heard multiple people immediately saying it’s not fair cause ND has recruiting standards and nobody else does except Stanford and NW

a fun game at the BE tourney was asking the ND fans at MSG what dorm they lived in at ND. The usual response was "I actually went to (enter east coast Catholic school) but I've always been an ND football fan." The biggest ND fans I've ever known didn't go there, let alone to any college. But then again, you can say the same about any state school (e.g. Buckyville).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on January 12, 2021, 12:17:42 PM

I mean yeah...it stands.  But I am not sure it means anything.  The two times they have been in the CFP, they've deserved it. 

People just like to rag on them because they act like their farts don't stink.  Even though they definitely do.

And exactly how do you know this?                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ND SUCKS
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 01:11:07 PM
No, you defending ND and their performance in the semifinals.

You seem to spend more time pretending to be an insider with other programs than you do talking about MU (because we all care so much about Vanderbilt and Arizona football).

This is a rather childish personal attack.

It’s interesting considering you have posted on more Notre Dame topics this past week than I have, let alone college football, two different Kenosha threads, NFL, etc..and so on.  (and of course that’s why there are Marquette basketball threads as well as the Superbar/other threads, so people can do just that. Good for you.)

You are triggered because you often post inaccurate gossip on these boards. Much of the time you don’t get called out on it, as it goes either unnoticed by many that wouldn’t know or care, or it’s assumed to be true. But I’m not exactly the first person to tell you that.

 







Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on January 12, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
But they have only been in the College Football Playoffs twice.  This year they deserved their spot.  In 2018-19, they got in undefeated.  The only team with an argument that they deserved a birth would have been Ohio State, which played a better schedule but inexplicably lost to an average Purdue team.

In 2012-13, they were the #1 team in the country before getting hammered by Alabama in the BCS National Championship (no semis).  And the question about "who deserved it" wasn't about ND, it was about Alabama who lost to A&M that year.  Oregon, Florida and Kansas State were also one loss teams, but Alabama beat #3 Georgia in the SEC Championship Game.  (Had Georgia won that game, they undoubtedly would have received the bid.)

Prior to that they were in a couple non-championship BCS bowls.  No idea if those were deserved or not, but they draw eyeballs.

My recollection of 2012-2013 season was by the computers, they deserved to be in. However, by the eye test, they weren’t a top 2 team. If I remember, they had a lot of close games against mediocre teams. Granted they won them, but nobody was surprised they got their doors blown off in the Championship.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2021, 01:26:37 PM
My recollection of 2012-2013 season was by the computers, they deserved to be in. However, by the eye test, they weren’t a top 2 team. If I remember, they had a lot of close games against mediocre teams. Granted they won them, but nobody was surprised they got their doors blown off in the Championship.


I agree with that.  But it would have been pretty hard not to have them in that game.  They were undefeated and the AP #1 team in the country.

My recollection also was it was also that year that forced the expansion of the playoffs too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
This is a rather childish personal attack.

It’s interesting considering you have posted on more Notre Dame topics this past week than I have, let alone college football, two different Kenosha threads, NFL, etc..and so on.  (and of course that’s why there are Marquette basketball threads as well as the Superbar/other threads, so people can do just that. Good for you.)

You are triggered because you often post inaccurate gossip on these boards. Much of the time you don’t get called out on it, as it goes either unnoticed by many that wouldn’t know or care, or it’s assumed to be true. But I’m not exactly the first person to tell you that.

that's right, you played Arizona insider and demanded I share my source that said you were inaccurate about the SJSU coach. Why would I need to do that?  And let's not forget your Vanderbilt essays.

Now be gone, stalker. Maybe there's a ND board for you.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 02:10:12 PM
that's right, you played Arizona insider and demanded I share my source that said you were inaccurate about the SJSU coach. Why would I need to do that?  And let's not forget your Vanderbilt essays.

Now be gone, stalker. Maybe there's a ND board for you.

Ahh so this is because you posted misinformation in a coaching search a while ago. That's quite the grudge holding trigger you have there. I had to be reminded of that one, thanks.  I was thinking it was more because of your other frequent gossip posts that are often incorrectly presented as fact.

Taking topic discussion and turning it into personal attacks is not a recipe for success for anyone.

So it's your choice. We can keep it moving, about actual topic discussion, or, you can keep making personal attacks instead.



Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
By the way, since this is the college football thread and all....former Auburn Defensive Coordinator Kevin Steele goes to Tennessee where he played and was an assistant. (Adam Rittenberg) Derek Mason of course was hired last week as Auburn D Coordinator.

Andy Avalos was hired last week at Boise St. Head Coach after Kellen Moore chose to remain with Dallas. Chris Peterson was part of the search.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2021, 11:17:28 PM
Who is bragging about Notre Dame? I never said they did great in the CFP semis. I very matter of factly stated they did just as well as the teams in the title games (Alabama and Ohio St. In this example)

There was some discussion going around that Notre Dame didn't belong in the semis.

It's startling just how easily triggered some people get here when someone posts about Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Tom Crean or Buzz Williams etc or insert team or person here. The tribal insecurity is palpable.

There are people out there, even MU Rah Rah alums, without that angst, and capable.of objective discussion on those topics.


Settle down, hondo. You sound triggered. (First time I've ever used that word in a Scoop thread, BTW. Hopefully the last, too. It's a stoopid word.)
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 12, 2021, 11:38:23 PM

Settle down, hondo. You sound triggered. (First time I've ever used that word in a Scoop thread, BTW. Hopefully the last, too. It's a stoopid word.)

You’re projecting. Notre Dame, Wisconsin, etc trigger you, and, it affects your ability to speak calmly, and rationally on the topic.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 13, 2021, 12:04:20 AM
You’re projecting. Notre Dame, Wisconsin, etc trigger you, and, it affects your ability to speak calmly, and rationally on the topic.

He was clearly joking around. You could go a long ways by remembering this is a message board and not repeatedly taking the arrogant intellectual stance and talking down to everyone who dares disagree with you. You bring interesting perspective at times, but you do that crap constantly.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2021, 12:17:21 AM
nm - not worth it.

Peace!
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 13, 2021, 07:44:09 AM
He was clearly joking around. You could go a long ways by remembering this is a message board and not repeatedly taking the arrogant intellectual stance and talking down to everyone who dares disagree with you. You bring interesting perspective at times, but you do that crap constantly.

Says the poster, making a post, talking down to someone.

I’m not big on sexism or making fun of the physical appearances of women either. Isn’t this a quote from you this past week?:

“Anyone who has seen the vast majority of women in South Bend would in favor of the swift and total destruction of any and all photo and video evidence”

I don’t talk down to any poster. Everyone gets equal respect here. It’s like an MU Professor once said, everyone starts with an “A”, it’s your job to keep it.

Respect is a two way street. Treat others with respect and you get respect. Everyone is entitled to a respectful different opinion. And, factual things are of course facts. The vast majority of my posts are positive or neutral about topics, more so, than many here.

It isn’t all that difficult to get along.


Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2021, 07:56:24 AM
Terrible ratings for the championship game.  This continues a run of poor ratings for marquis sporting events since the pandemic started.

Except for the NFL.  Always the NFL.  We will see if this continues.

Anyway, I think the major issues are that these games lack some excitement without fans, and that college football continues to be dominated by the same handful of teams.  And of course in this case the ongoing political issues that we thought would fade away in November continue on until now.

I think the real question is whether or not viewership will bounce back or if people just aren't into it as much any longer.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 13, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
Terrible ratings for the championship game.  This continues a run of poor ratings for marquis sporting events since the pandemic started.

Except for the NFL.  Always the NFL.  We will see if this continues.

Anyway, I think the major issues are that these games lack some excitement without fans, and that college football continues to be dominated by the same handful of teams.  And of course in this case the ongoing political issues that we thought would fade away in November continue on until now.

I think the real question is whether or not viewership will bounce back or if people just aren't into it as much any longer.  Time will tell.

And, of course, people know the result of any CFP or BCS title game Notre Dame plays in once the matchup is announced, so some find watching that game unnecessary.  **Ducks**
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 13, 2021, 08:37:35 AM
Terrible ratings for the championship game.  This continues a run of poor ratings for marquis sporting events since the pandemic started.

Except for the NFL.  Always the NFL.  We will see if this continues.

Anyway, I think the major issues are that these games lack some excitement without fans, and that college football continues to be dominated by the same handful of teams.  And of course in this case the ongoing political issues that we thought would fade away in November continue on until now.

I think the real question is whether or not viewership will bounce back or if people just aren't into it as much any longer.  Time will tell.

Yep, some may have knee jerk takes about blowouts and/or seeing the same teams. But that doesn’t explain the much higher recent viewership for previous CFP with blowouts and similar teams.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Lens on January 13, 2021, 08:40:39 AM
I think their schedule is set up to fail.  You had two NFL Sundays in between the Semi's & Champ game.  That's two huge news cycles you're getting washed out of. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2021, 08:59:00 AM
I think their schedule is set up to fail.  You had two NFL Sundays in between the Semi's & Champ game.  That's two huge news cycles you're getting washed out of. 


I agree with you completely.  One thing I failed to mention is that the NFL's six playoff games likely just "footballed out" a lot of people who by Monday were just not interested. 

If I were running things, this is how I would manage 2021-22.

Saturday, December 4:  Conference championship games
Saturday, December 11:  Army/Navy
Saturday, December 18:  Quarterfinal games on campus sites
Saturday, January 1:  Semifinal games at bowl sites  (Next year they are playing them on Friday, December 31.  WTF???)
Saturday, January 8 in the evening:   Championship Game (If NFL goes to 17 game schedule which would mean Wild Card weekend is 15-16)

If they don't go to 17 game schedule, stick with the Monday night.  Or work something out with the NFL to get it sometime on the Saturday afternoon of the Divisional round weekend.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 13, 2021, 09:04:40 AM
Terrible ratings for the championship game.  This continues a run of poor ratings for marquis sporting events since the pandemic started.

Except for the NFL.  Always the NFL.  We will see if this continues.

Anyway, I think the major issues are that these games lack some excitement without fans, and that college football continues to be dominated by the same handful of teams.  And of course in this case the ongoing political issues that we thought would fade away in November continue on until now.

I think the real question is whether or not viewership will bounce back or if people just aren't into it as much any longer.  Time will tell.


Maybe regional numbers will tell the tale, but the recent domination by the SEC and ACC might have the effect of piquing interest in the Southeast while dampening it elsewhere. Fourteen of the last fifteen champions have come from the Southeast (the sole exception being OSU in 2014), so it wouldn't shock me to see the numbers progressively dwindling elsewhere.

As for no fans in stadiums...I actually thought that would help ratings. Not only do the hard core season ticket holders have no other choice, but I thought 'average' fans would be looking for an outlet. Guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 13, 2021, 09:57:31 AM
Many are these games are just weird to watch with no fans, cheerleaders, mascots and pep bands. These are huge things that make college football and other sports the things they are. Just no energy while watching on TV.

Alabama-Ohio State College Football Playoff National Championship averaged a Nielsen-estimated 18.65 million viewers across the ESPN family of networks. Declined 27% from LSU-Clemson last year (25.59M) and 26% from Clemson-Alabama in 2019 (25.28M).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 13, 2021, 10:12:14 AM
I think their schedule is set up to fail.  You had two NFL Sundays in between the Semi's & Champ game.  That's two huge news cycles you're getting washed out of.

The Title Game might be set up better on a Thursday night. Monday for NFL re-cap and can build buzz for the CFP Title Game during the week. Downfall with that is having fans travel during a workweek, not being in a city leading up over a weekend.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 13, 2021, 10:15:29 AM
The Title Game might be set up better on a Thursday night. Monday for NFL re-cap and can build buzz for the CFP Title Game during the week. Downfall with that is having fans travel during a workweek, not being in a city leading up over a weekend.


I have always thought it was strange having the championship game on Monday night. CFB games are mostly on Saturday all season, and that works great. Then suddenly, a Monday night time slot? Doesn't feel as much like CFB to me....
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2021, 10:43:34 AM

I have always thought it was strange having the championship game on Monday night. CFB games are mostly on Saturday all season, and that works great. Then suddenly, a Monday night time slot? Doesn't feel as much like CFB to me....


The problem is the NFL dominates January weekends.  There is a chance to change that with a potential 17 game schedule.  It opens up a Saturday for a championship game on the NFL's last week.  If the CFP decides to continue with Monday, January 10 with no NFL playoff games on Saturday, January 8, they are morons.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 13, 2021, 11:36:21 AM
There were NFL games on Saturday in week 17 this year.  I don't know if that's a normal thing or just a 2020 oddity.  But if they're going to a 17 game NFL schedule, are they adding a second bye week for each team?  So a 19 week regular season?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2021, 11:39:34 AM
There were NFL games on Saturday in week 17 this year.  I don't know if that's a normal thing or just a 2020 oddity.  But if they're going to a 17 game NFL schedule, are they adding a second bye week for each team?  So a 19 week regular season?


Sorry, I meant the 17th game for each team.  My understanding is that if there is a 17 game season, that it would be played over 18 weeks with the first round of the playoffs January 15-16.  Maybe I am wrong about that.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 17, 2021, 05:32:32 PM
Charles Huff named the Marshall Head Coaching position over the weekend. Coached Najee Harris, Saquon Barkley, etc...as good of a recruiter out there as anyone. Good to see him get an opportunity.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 18, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
Looks like its going to get ugly at Tennessee.  Phil Fulmer and Jeremy Pruitt look like they are going to be fired, the latter for cause. 
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 18, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
Looks like its going to get ugly at Tennessee.  Phil Fulmer and Jeremy Pruitt look like they are going to be fired, the latter for cause.

Wow, giving into the Twitter mob when making a hire didn’t work out? I’m shocked.

Is there a fan base more delusional of their standing in the CFB hierarchy than UT?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 18, 2021, 12:44:03 PM
Wow, giving into the Twitter mob when making a hire didn’t work out? I’m shocked.

Is there a fan base more delusional of their standing in the CFB hierarchy than UT?


Yeah I am not sure if Schiano was going to be the right hire, but that would certainly have been better than what has happened over the last three years. Especially giving the AD position to someone who clearly wasn't qualified.  (And yes, Fullmer was about as qualified as Alvarez, but Alvarez has always had a good understanding of what he doesn't do well and had people do that stuff for him.  And it's worked.)

I don't know what UT does now.  Put Kevin Steele in as an interim and do an AD search?  (Steele is the former Auburn DC who was angling his way for that job before being hired as a "defensive assistant.")  Try to get a guy like P.J. Fleck to jump immediately?

But whatever they do, its probably safe to say the opposite choice would have been the better one.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2021, 01:02:00 PM
Wow, giving into the Twitter mob when making a hire didn’t work out? I’m shocked.

Is there a fan base more delusional of their standing in the CFB hierarchy than UT?

There are plenty. UT was a good program in the Majors years and a very good program under Fulmer. 2 SEC titles, a National Titles, 6 division titles, all while overlapping Spurrier and Richt. I honestly think they would have excelled under Kiffin if he didn’t bolt.  The last decade has been awful, but it’s not like older fans are crazy to think that’s not a historic or desirable program, administrative and athletic department issues aside.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 18, 2021, 01:12:48 PM
There are plenty. UT was a good program in the Majors years and a very good program under Fulmer. 2 SEC titles, a National Titles, 6 division titles, all while overlapping Spurrier and Richt. I honestly think they would have excelled under Kiffin if he didn’t bolt.  The last decade has been awful, but it’s not like older fans are crazy to think that’s not a historic or desirable program, administrative and athletic department issues aside.


Agree. They have been very good historically. Their biggest problem is that in the cutthroat world of SEC football, 'very good' still usually puts them behind schools like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU and Auburn.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2021, 02:18:51 PM
Wow, giving into the Twitter mob when making a hire didn’t work out? I’m shocked.

Is there a fan base more delusional of their standing in the CFB hierarchy than UT?

Michigan, Nebraska would like a word
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 18, 2021, 04:06:33 PM
Here's how Wolken describes UT.  It's fair:

"Because the reality is that Tennessee should be good at football. It has the facilities, the financial support and the tradition. Knoxville is an attractive, lively place to be. It’s only a few hours from multiple major recruiting hubs. Winning at Tennessee isn’t nearly as hard as the Vols have made it look for the last dozen years.

But defeating Tennessee’s biggest enemy in its pursuit of football greatness won’t be easy. That’s because the enemy is thyself.

There’s really nothing like it in all of college sports. No other program has Tennessee’s combination of media scrutiny and fan toxicity that fuels a crash-and-burn cycle of overwrought optimism and intense disappointment. "
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 18, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
Sounds like scoop.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2021, 05:26:42 PM
Here's how Wolken describes UT.  It's fair:

"Because the reality is that Tennessee should be good at football. It has the facilities, the financial support and the tradition. Knoxville is an attractive, lively place to be. It’s only a few hours from multiple major recruiting hubs. Winning at Tennessee isn’t nearly as hard as the Vols have made it look for the last dozen years.

But defeating Tennessee’s biggest enemy in its pursuit of football greatness won’t be easy. That’s because the enemy is thyself.

There’s really nothing like it in all of college sports. No other program has Tennessee’s combination of media scrutiny and fan toxicity that fuels a crash-and-burn cycle of overwrought optimism and intense disappointment. "

And amplified tenfold because of one, Clay Travis
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 18, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
Michigan, Nebraska would like a word

I would list, Auburn & Texas A&M
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 18, 2021, 06:39:31 PM
I would list, Auburn & Texas A&M



Penn State too.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 18, 2021, 07:11:00 PM
I would list, Auburn & Texas A&M

Hey!

Oh wait that's true
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 18, 2021, 08:51:29 PM
Michigan, Nebraska would like a word

But Keefe said UM is one of the blue bloods, if not THE blue blood of college football.

There are plenty. UT was a good program in the Majors years and a very good program under Fulmer. 2 SEC titles, a National Titles, 6 division titles, all while overlapping Spurrier and Richt. I honestly think they would have excelled under Kiffin if he didn’t bolt.  The last decade has been awful, but it’s not like older fans are crazy to think that’s not a historic or desirable program, administrative and athletic department issues aside.

Good, but not great. Remember, “you can’t spell citrus without UT.” - Steve Spurrier.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2021, 05:25:10 AM
But Keefe said UM is one of the blue bloods, if not THE blue blood of college football.

Good, but not great. Remember, “you can’t spell citrus without UT.” - Steve Spurrier.

I’m a Michigan fan.  They can’t recruit at the level of Ohio State and the power schools of the south.  They have a declining home base of talent in the state of Michigan. 

They need to move on from the “Michigan Man” BS. Until they understand they’re not a “blue blood” anymore and no one cares about Bo Schembechler, they’ll keep chasing ghosts.

 Nick Saban built his own legacy.  Ohio State built its own legacy post Woody.  Clemson is building a legacy.  The past is nice to reminisce about but it doesn’t guarantee anything today
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2021, 07:42:32 AM
If Michigan can't succeed with Jim Harbaugh, and Nebraska can't succeed with Scott Frost, it makes you wonder who CAN they succeed with.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 19, 2021, 08:01:38 AM
Urban Meyer.   
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2021, 08:08:44 AM
Urban Meyer.   


Actually yeah.  I should have completed my thought.

If these programs can't succeed with alums who were successful with other programs, you are going to have to look long at the model you have built and wonder if it is time to throw it in the trash.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2021, 08:34:03 AM

Actually yeah.  I should have completed my thought.

If these programs can't succeed with alums who were successful with other programs, you are going to have to look long at the model you have built and wonder if it is time to throw it in the trash.

It is.  Chasing past glory is what ails these programs
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2021, 08:53:49 AM

Actually yeah.  I should have completed my thought.

If these programs can't succeed with alums who were successful with other programs, you are going to have to look long at the model you have built and wonder if it is time to throw it in the trash.

Sounds like Indiana basketball.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 19, 2021, 09:28:19 AM
It is.  Chasing past glory is what ails these programs


Happens in hoops too.

Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin say hi.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2021, 10:08:34 AM

Happens in hoops too.

Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin say hi.

Hiring alumni can work.  Roy Williams was successful going back to UNC.  And in fairness to Michigan and Nebraska football, both coaches had success coaching elsewhere.  I’m not sure the formula to making it work in those instances but you can’t be a slave to a time that has passed
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2021, 11:07:33 AM
Hiring alumni can work.  Roy Williams was successful going back to UNC.  And in fairness to Michigan and Nebraska football, both coaches had success coaching elsewhere.  I’m not sure the formula to making it work in those instances but you can’t be a slave to a time that has passed

Roy Williams is a terrible example.  He went to 4 Final Fours and 2 National title games at another blue blood and won less than 25 games only twice in 15 seasons.  99.9% of coaching searches won’t have that sort of alumni coach available.

Harbaugh was good at Stanford, but his great season, that lead to him leaving, was the result of a down PAC12.  He lost to Oregon, his only “ranked” win was an Arizona team who finished 7-6, and wins over mediocre USC and ND teams with first year coaches.  It’s not like he had a track record of running a consistent Top 25 program.

Scott Frost took over a program that had a bad year but had dominated their conference and was 2 years removed from a Fiesta Bowl.  Easy conference, easy place to recruit to, and minimal expectations.   And he was only there 2 years with 1 great year. That’s wildly different than somewhere like Nebraska.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2021, 11:32:26 AM
Hiring alumni isn't a problem at all.  No one thought at the time that Michigan or Nebraska were making bad hires.  Chryst wasn't a bad hire at Wisconsin either considering how long he was in the program as an assistant coach.

Hiring alumni BECAUSE they are alumni, even though they likely would not have gotten looks elsewhere (like Mullin at St. Johns) is where the problem lies.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2021, 11:33:54 AM
Hiring alumni isn't a problem at all.  No one thought at the time that Michigan or Nebraska were making bad hires.  Chryst wasn't a bad hire at Wisconsin either considering how long he was in the program as an assistant coach.

Hiring alumni BECAUSE they are alumni, even though they likely would not have gotten looks elsewhere (like Mullin at St. Johns) is where the problem lies.

This says it better.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on January 19, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
I’m a Michigan fan.  They can’t recruit at the level of Ohio State and the power schools of the south.  They have a declining home base of talent in the state of Michigan. 

They need to move on from the “Michigan Man” BS. Until they understand they’re not a “blue blood” anymore and no one cares about Bo Schembechler, they’ll keep chasing ghosts.

Yep. Part of the difficulty here was that the Rich Rod hire didn't turn out, and gave the Michigan traditionalists a chance to say "Yup, see, that's what happens when you try to get all newfangled and break the mold.  Back to what we know."  That conveniently ignores that Brady Hoke is certainly no better a longterm plan than Rich Rod. 

Harbaugh was a blessing because as Fluffy notes, that was clearly the hire they had to make. I've grown kind of indifferent on that relationship. I don't see anything that makes me think that he's suddenly going to create teams that compete with OSU.  But I don't see the hire after Harbaugh generating too much excitement, either.  The silver lining is that the Harbaugh thing looks like it will just peter out, rather than get dramatic. He'll keep going 9-4 or 10-3 with the losses coming to top 25 teams, and they'll eventually go their separate ways.  Its unfortunate that there haven't been the results everyone hoped for, but parting ways on bad terms with him could really make that job even less desirable going forward.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2021, 12:27:44 PM
I actually don't think Harbaugh is bad.  He's good enough that he could get past Ohio State in a down year or when they trip up.  And good programs always do that eventually.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2021, 01:27:12 PM

Happens in hoops too.

Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin say hi.

Don't forget about me! - Sincerely, Clyde Drexler

Yep. Part of the difficulty here was that the Rich Rod hire didn't turn out, and gave the Michigan traditionalists a chance to say "Yup, see, that's what happens when you try to get all newfangled and break the mold.  Back to what we know."  That conveniently ignores that Brady Hoke is certainly no better a longterm plan than Rich Rod. 



I remember talking to a former Bo assistant in early 2006 about UM and he said the new money guys were just waiting for Bo to die to make a power play and push the old school Bo loyalists out. That happened sure enough, that happened two years later and blew up on UM with the Rich Rod hire. Not much different than what happened at Nebraska with Bill Callahan. Harbaugh is as good as UM is going to right now.

For all of the hype for UM being an elite program, they've only won one half of a national title since 1948 and only four Rose Bowls since 1965. The great Bo was 2-8 in Rose Bowls. The loss to Arizona State in 1987 was brutal.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on January 19, 2021, 01:30:11 PM
Agreed. The only guy I see out there who I would rather have in a vacuum and who is a reasonable target would be Fickell, and that's not even a 100% slam dunk upgrade.  I think Fickell could do what Harbaugh is doing and people would think that's about right.  Harbaugh's expectations were just so damn high.  Harbaugh isn't held back by Michigan and Michigan isn't underperforming under Harbaugh. The whole situation is just kind of a reflection of where Michigan is at, and I think Harbaugh's results translate pretty well to where he ranks as a coach and program builder/maintainer.  None of it is bad enough to flip the whole thing over to look for change just for change's sake.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
Agreed. The only guy I see out there who I would rather have in a vacuum and who is a reasonable target would be Fickell, and that's not even a 100% slam dunk upgrade.  I think Fickell could do what Harbaugh is doing and people would think that's about right. Harbaugh's expectations were just so damn high.  Harbaugh isn't held back by Michigan and Michigan isn't underperforming under Harbaugh. The whole situation is just kind of a reflection of where Michigan is at, and I think Harbaugh's results translate pretty well to where he ranks as a coach and program builder/maintainer.  None of it is bad enough to flip the whole thing over to look for change just for change's sake.

Exactly!

Michigan fans aren't willing to recognize that Ohio State is SO far ahead of the rest of the Big Ten it will take a yeoman's effort to get close to them. They came close in 2016. Harbaugh's biggest issue is the lack of QB stability and development.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 19, 2021, 02:30:40 PM
Harbaugh's biggest issue is the lack of QB stability and development.

Which, if true, is pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2021, 03:02:52 PM
Which, if true, is pretty funny.

that's the irony - a former Pro Bowl QB has been unable to recruit and develop his own QB while having some stud receivers.

Ruddock - 5th-year transfer
Speight - Hoke recruit
O'Korn - transfer from Houston
Peters - actually recruited by Harbaugh, benched and transferred
Patterson - transfer from Ole Miss

This past season you had McCaffrey transfer, Milton who played well then was benched, and McNamara, who led the comeback against Rutgers then wasn't so good against PSU. He probably has the upper hand for next season.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2021, 04:14:32 PM
that's the irony - a former Pro Bowl QB has been unable to recruit and develop his own QB while having some stud receivers.

Ruddock - 5th-year transfer
Speight - Hoke recruit
O'Korn - transfer from Houston
Peters - actually recruited by Harbaugh, benched and transferred
Patterson - transfer from Ole Miss

This past season you had McCaffrey transfer, Milton who played well then was benched, and McNamara, who led the comeback against Rutgers then wasn't so good against PSU. He probably has the upper hand for next season.

They have a five * QB coming in who will have a legitimate chance to start.  They lost a QB to a career ending injury as well who would have been a true frosh this past year.  The whole McCaffrey saga is confusing.  Not sure what happened there when it appeared clear he was the next projected starter after Patterson
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 20, 2021, 08:51:15 PM
Larry Scott is out as Pac 12 Commissioner. (SBJ)

Opportunity here.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2021, 10:29:19 PM
Larry Scott is out as Pac 12 Commissioner. (SBJ)

Opportunity here.

What? You're hoping Wojo leaves to take this job?
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 21, 2021, 12:11:52 PM
Tennessee is hiring UCF's Danny White as AD. (Wolken USA Today)

He's had some pretty successful past football and hoops hires, along with fundraising etc ..makes seven figures at UCF, and recent extension, so they had to have made a pretty big offer.

His dad just retired as Duke's AD, brother coaches Florida hoops, has another brother and sister in College Athletics Administration.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 25, 2021, 11:54:31 AM
It's far from certain, but it's beginning to look like my youngest might be attending Nursing School at Mount Union starting next fall (she's still considering other options and trying to get more money). I've gotta admit, the idea of having a rooting interest in a nearby college football program is very appealing -- even if it is DIII. And they're obviously a top tier DIII program. It's only an hour from our house, so I can totally see myself heading down there a few times per year assuming there are seats available.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 25, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
It's far from certain, but it's beginning to look like my youngest might be attending Nursing School at Mount Union starting next fall (she's still considering other options and trying to get more money). I've gotta admit, the idea of having a rooting interest in a nearby college football program is very appealing -- even if it is DIII. And they're obviously a top tier DIII program. It's only an hour from our house, so I can totally see myself heading down there a few times per year assuming there are seats available.

Absolute powerhouse. I remember getting a lot of mail from them in HS for both academic and athletics before just as they started their run of dominance. They had a hell of a rivalry with Whitewater, meeting in Stagg Bowl for 9 of 10 years and actually losing a majority of games to the Warhawks.

Matt Campbell cut his teeth there.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2021, 03:42:33 PM
Absolute powerhouse. I remember getting a lot of mail from them in HS for both academic and athletics before just as they started their run of dominance. They had a hell of a rivalry with Whitewater, meeting in Stagg Bowl for 9 of 10 years and actually losing a majority of games to the Warhawks.

Matt Campbell cut his teeth there.

So did Nick Sirianni, the new coach of the Eagles, and Jason Candle who has been very successful after Campbell at Toledo.

From 1990 through his retirement in 2012, Kehres lost more than 1 game...once. And when he made his first D3 semifinal in 1992, he never had a team finish worse than the semis.  Then his son took over, only lost 2 games once (still made the semis that year) and made the championship 5 out of 7 years before he moved on to DC at Toledo.  That’s absolutely insane.

Which also makes what Lance Leipold did at Whitewater even more impressive.  Literally took a good but not great program, and made them a superpower to knock off the most successful D3 program of all time repeatedly.  Couple of my buddies in college were good Ohio HS football players.  They said walking on at a MAC/non Big 10 D1 program or playing at Mount Union was usually a no brainer for the latter for a lot of guys, which is why they had such success, especially if they were from NE OH
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 28, 2021, 03:02:21 PM
Danny White hired Josh Heupel at Tenneseee. We'll see. He knows how to light up a scoreboard on offense. (Oklahoma, Mizzou, UCF). He isn't the most media friendly which is interesting considering he's now at Tenneseee which comes with more media scrutiny than some other places. There were some reports of a strong push for, and mutual with Tony Elliott, but they couldn't land him.

UCF has a lot of names in the mix for HC, and AD.


Pat Fitzgerald gets a new 10 year deal. The terms will be interesting. The most recent info I know of had him at $5.1 million in 2017.

Kevin Steele is getting $900k for TWO WEEKS worth of work at Tennessee before parting ways. (Or basically MU Scoop Moderator money) in addition to getting paid by Auburn. Not bad, not bad at all.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 28, 2021, 04:09:06 PM
Danny White hired Josh Heupel at Tenneseee. We'll see. He knows how to light up a scoreboard on offense. (Oklahoma, Mizzou, UCF). He isn't the most media friendly which is interesting considering he's now at Tenneseee which comes with more media scrutiny than some other places. There were some reports of a strong push for, and mutual with Tony Elliott, but they couldn't land him.

UCF has a lot of names in the mix for HC, and AD.

Honestly, about as good as you could hope for at UT right now, IMO.  Not a retread, not an unproven coordinator, pretty solid hire.

Interestingly, Elliott is now a hot name for UCF.  Some of the other names are surprising.  Malzahn, Chizik, promoting Randy Shannon.  I think they need to go young exciting coach, given their place and their reputation.  They have the ability and schedule to let someone promising learn on the job.  Elliott would be a great hire, Rhett Lashlee and Jeff Lebby are interesting.  I saw Leipold’s name tossed around, but I think he waits for a P5 gig next year
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 28, 2021, 05:13:29 PM
Honestly, about as good as you could hope for at UT right now, IMO.  Not a retread, not an unproven coordinator, pretty solid hire.

Interestingly, Elliott is now a hot name for UCF.  Some of the other names are surprising.  Malzahn, Chizik, promoting Randy Shannon.  I think they need to go young exciting coach, given their place and their reputation.  They have the ability and schedule to let someone promising learn on the job.  Elliott would be a great hire, Rhett Lashlee and Jeff Lebby are interesting.  I saw Leipold’s name tossed around, but I think he waits for a P5 gig next year

A benefit for both Heupel and White is having worked together before. If Heupel were a Tennessee alum many of their fans would like the hire. They did try for some others first.

UCF is a very interesting job. Few major metros in the country offer the plethora of recruiting talent while not being located in an NFL market. Lots of new money there. It's an enormous University including various locations. Lots of enthusiasm and some new money there.

Many coaches think it's a job they can get. And many coaches think it's a place you can win. So, many are interested. Long list of possible names includes but isn't limited to:

Randy Shannon,.Alex Golesh internally. Also, Tony Elliott, Brian Johnson, Mike Elko, Marcus Freeman, Phil Longo, Alex Grinch, Jeff Lebby, Graham Harrell, Dan Lanning, Barry Odom, Tim Beck, as current assistants.

Lance Leipold, Jamey Chadwell, Sean Lewis, Mike Neu, Gus Malzahn, Phillip Montgomery, Bill Clark, Will Healy, Brent Brennan, Jay Norvell, Jason Candle are some of the head coaches.

Lance Leipold has interviewed a few places and those places were very impressed. I know he wasn't initially a name for Vandy, but, in the end, he very well could have been their next coach, if they hadn't had the unique situation with Clark Lea. That's how impressed they were with him. I think he would take it if there was mutual interest and a good offer.

Much depends on the AD situation. They could keep Shannon in place for a year in order to get more time for AD, coach hire etc...or just do it all now.

Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
Football Practices Pose More Concussion Risk Than Games, Study Suggests

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/sports/concussions-college-football-practice.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210201&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=50761&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

College football players sustained far more concussions during practices than they did in games, medical researchers reported on Monday, a finding certain to add to the yearslong debate about regulating training regimens across the sport.

Much less clear is whether the college sports industry will nationalize safety reforms like those adopted by the N.F.L., which limits the number of padded practices per season, or some college conferences. But with the N.C.A.A. and its members facing urgent decisions on other fronts, including how to navigate the coronavirus pandemic, far-reaching new rules intended to prevent head injuries are probably not imminent.

The authors of the new study, published in JAMA Neurology, a peer-reviewed journal, found that 72 percent of the concussions they reviewed over five college football seasons happened during practice. And although preseason training accounted for about one-fifth of the time the researchers studied, they found that nearly half of the concussions occurred during that period.

Changes to the rules that govern games, they wrote, “are an important component to protecting athletes during competition,” but they asserted that revisions to training activities before and during the season “could lead to a substantial reduction” in concussions.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2021, 10:55:37 AM
Oh HELL yes

https://twitter.com/easports/status/1356644353901539342?s=21

I would prefer a CBB game more, but this is a close second. Can’t wait. I still play NCAA 14
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 02, 2021, 11:29:19 AM
Oh HELL yes

https://twitter.com/easports/status/1356644353901539342?s=21

I would prefer a CBB game more, but this is a close second. Can’t wait. I still play NCAA 14

Incredible.

Who makes NBA 2K?  Sony?  The 2K college basketball was awesome.  I hope that eventually makes a comeback.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
Incredible.

Who makes NBA 2K?  Sony?  The 2K college basketball was awesome.  I hope that eventually makes a comeback.

Take-Two Interactive. Their two subsidiaries are 2K Sports and Rockstar (aka GTA and the Red Dead games).
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 15, 2021, 08:28:42 AM
Gus to UCF?

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-football-gus-malzahn-coach-20210215-vijfvx4lsvflhdgjjspfalsiim-story.html
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on February 15, 2021, 09:15:03 AM
Gus to UCF?

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-football-gus-malzahn-coach-20210215-vijfvx4lsvflhdgjjspfalsiim-story.html

Arkansas St. strikes again.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 27, 2021, 02:39:56 PM
North Dakota State trailing 31-7 in the 4th quarter to Southern Illinois. 39 game winning streak looks to be coming to an end.
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on March 09, 2021, 06:21:27 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3352474/audio-leaked-of-infamous-high-school-coach-rush-propst-alleging-massive-cheating-done-by-alabama-and-georgia-through-paying-players
Title: Re: 2020-21 College Football Thread
Post by: shoothoops on March 15, 2021, 07:10:41 PM
Bryan Harsin Auburn contract:

https://amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/4672459001?__twitter_impression=true

He is getting $5 Million a year increaing $100k per year over six years.

(Derek Mason is getting $1.5 M per year to be Defensive Coordinator. Mike Bobo $1.3 M per year as Offensive Coordinator)