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Title: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 22, 2020, 06:45:06 PM
Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/georgetown-coach-and-nba-legend-patrick-ewing-announces-he-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19/

@CoachEwing33
I want to share that I have tested positive for COVID-19. This virus is serious and should not be taken lightly. I want to encourage everyone to stay safe and take care of yourselves and your loved ones.
6:47 PM - May 22, 2020

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Get well soon!!
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: wadesworld on May 22, 2020, 07:03:16 PM
Covid Bar.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 22, 2020, 07:05:49 PM
Yeah no kidding. Already posted in the correct topic.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 22, 2020, 07:30:14 PM
Considering it’s a Big East coach and something like this could affect whether we have sports this year, I’d say this is appropriate for this forum.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
Considering it’s a Big East coach and something like this could affect whether we have sports this year, I’d say this is appropriate for this forum.

Patrick Ewing being positive for COVID in May is going to affect whether the Big East has basketball in November? LOL.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 22, 2020, 07:54:32 PM
Patrick Ewing being positive for COVID in May is going to affect whether the Big East has basketball in November? LOL.

No, but if more coaches get it...

How can a coach social distance?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 22, 2020, 07:58:19 PM
Good luck, coach.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 22, 2020, 08:00:17 PM
Patrick Ewing being positive for COVID in May is going to affect whether the Big East has basketball in November? LOL.

Has Ewing been practicing proper social distancing?  If not, does this mean the assistant coaches, players, Georgetown administration, and/or athletic department staff all at risk?  Did he get it from one of them?

While other teams are trying to get into shape to start to play in November, does Georgetown spend the summer in lockdown?

So, yes it can very much affect Big East play this November.  To be determined if it will.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2020, 08:01:00 PM
No, but if more coaches get it...

How can a coach social distance?

If more coaches get it in September orOctober it will have nothing to do with Patrick Ewing being positive in May.

Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: We R Final Four on May 22, 2020, 08:01:25 PM
Considering it’s a Big East coach and something like this could affect whether we have sports this year, I’d say this is appropriate for this forum.
You’re kidding right?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
Has Ewing been practicing proper social distancing?  If not, does this mean the assistant coaches, players, Georgetown administration, and/or athletic department staff all at risk?  Did he get it from one fo them?

While other teams are trying to get into shape to start to play in November, does Georgetown spend the summer in lockdown?

So, yes it can very much affect Big East play this November.  To be determined if it will.

Absurd.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: wadesworld on May 22, 2020, 08:04:32 PM
Has Ewing been practicing proper social distancing?  If not, does this mean the assistant coaches, players, Georgetown administration, and/or athletic department staff all at risk?  Did he get it from one of them?

While other teams are trying to get into shape to start to play in November, does Georgetown spend the summer in lockdown?

So, yes it can very much affect Big East play this November.  To be determined if it will.

It doesn’t take Patrick Ewing getting covid to know that social distancing in sports is going to be impossible. Unless you thought defenders needed to stay 6 feet off their man at all times.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 22, 2020, 08:37:25 PM
You’re kidding right?

I’m talking about coaches getting it and the concern it will raise, particularly as we get close to the season. Man, Logic must not be required at MU anymore. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 22, 2020, 09:01:19 PM
Jeez some people here are nuts
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 22, 2020, 09:34:58 PM
Has Ewing been practicing proper social distancing?  If not, does this mean the assistant coaches, players, Georgetown administration, and/or athletic department staff all at risk?  Did he get it from one of them?

While other teams are trying to get into shape to start to play in November, does Georgetown spend the summer in lockdown?

So, yes it can very much affect Big East play this November.  To be determined if it will.
They have like four guys on the team. I think they’ll be fine.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 22, 2020, 10:31:25 PM
Jeez some people here are nuts




Sum?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muguru on May 22, 2020, 10:43:38 PM
In my years on this earth I have never seen anything that's brought out the paranoia and weird in people the way this pandemic has. Just...bizarre, really.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 23, 2020, 12:35:05 AM
In my years on this earth I have never seen anything that's brought out the paranoia and weird in people the way this pandemic has. Just...bizarre, really.

In your years on this earth (how many earths have you been on?)  there has never been a pandemic this deadly.  FACT.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Herman Cain on May 23, 2020, 06:41:02 AM
Coach Ewing has had a rough stretch of events lately. Been ripped publicly by former teammates , all the transfers and his house got robbed. Hope he comes out of Covid healthy .

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/georgetown-coach-knicks-legend-patrick-ewing-has-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 23, 2020, 06:44:00 AM
In my years on this earth I have never seen anything that's brought out the paranoia and weird in people the way this pandemic has. Just...bizarre, really.

Miss the Cold War, did yeah?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2020, 06:47:42 AM
Coach Ewing has had a rough stretch of events lately. Been ripped publicly by former teammates , all the transfers and his house got robbed. Hope he comes out of Covid healthy .

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/georgetown-coach-knicks-legend-patrick-ewing-has-coronavirus/


Plus a whole new generation has gotten to see highlights of MJ and Pippen dunking on his a$$.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2020, 06:48:56 AM
In my years on this earth I have never seen anything that's brought out the paranoia and weird in people the way this pandemic has. Just...bizarre, really.


Hold on...you are out here preaching calm?  That everyone should keep things in perspective?

Now THAT'S bizarre.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 23, 2020, 07:04:46 AM
In your years on this earth (how many earths have you been on?)  there has never been a pandemic this deadly.  FACT.

crap, how do you know he's not 100. Are you big brothering us?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muwarrior69 on May 23, 2020, 07:28:31 AM
In your years on this earth (how many earths have you been on?)  there has never been a pandemic this deadly.  FACT.

You are correct, but I am old enough to remember the fear our parents had every summer when there were polio outbreaks. Not as deadly, but if you survived you could spend the rest of your life in an iron long or be severely crippled. I know, I had to friends that contracted the disease. The worse outbreak was in 1952 when there were nearly 58000 cases. Some towns were quarantined but the entire country was not shut down.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: vogue65 on May 23, 2020, 07:32:20 AM
crap, how do you know he's not 100. Are you big brothering us?

Friend lady, Chinese M.D. in Flushing NYC says, "this happens every 100 years".
She no longer puts patients in nursing homes or hospitals.
She lost 30 of 32 patients, her friend lost over 100.  Enjoy your holiday, boat parties, horseshoe bars and massages.  Isn't it great being a free American, live it up, why not?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2020, 07:35:45 AM
You are correct, but I am old enough to remember the fear our parents had every summer when there were polio outbreaks. Not as deadly, but if you survived you could spend the rest of your life in an iron long or be severely crippled. I know, I had to friends that contracted the disease. The worse outbreak was in 1952 when there were nearly 58000 cases. Some towns were quarantined but the entire country was not shut down.

So just like now, where the entire county has never been, and will never be shut down.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: vogue65 on May 23, 2020, 07:40:05 AM
You are correct, but I am old enough to remember the fear our parents had every summer when there were polio outbreaks. Not as deadly, but if you survived you could spend the rest of your life in an iron long or be severely crippled. I know, I had to friends that contracted the disease. The worse outbreak was in 1952 when there were nearly 58000 cases. Some towns were quarantined but the entire country was not shut down.

Some people thought orange soda caused polio.
Swinning pools were suspect.
Now it's choirs, foursomes, and dirty hands. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 23, 2020, 09:22:41 AM
In your years on this earth (how many earths have you been on?)  there has never been a pandemic this deadly.  FACT.

False. AIDS, 36 million dead.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muguru on May 23, 2020, 09:49:00 AM
False. AIDS, 36 million dead.

Correct, and even then people weren't this fearful or weird as they are now. It's like they think the end of the world is coming and if we don't all just stay in our houses that death is a certainty. Just absolutely bizarre how edgy and terrified this has made people. It's actually in a strange way kind of amusing to watch.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 23, 2020, 10:02:21 AM
Correct, and even then people weren't this fearful or weird as they are now. It's like they think the end of the world is coming and if we don't all just stay in our houses that death is a certainty. Just absolutely bizarre how edgy and terrified this has made people. It's actually in a strange way kind of amusing to watch.

Well, quite a few Americans pretended AIDS wasn’t real or a problem for quite a few years
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
I mean, even at the height of the pandemic, it was fairly easy for most to live your daily life and not get infected with AIDS. Comparing the two isn’t really appropriate.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 23, 2020, 10:04:57 AM
AIDS also can't be spread as easily as COVID. Different kinds of measures are necessary/appropriate
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2020, 10:07:00 AM
Correct, and even then people weren't this fearful or weird as they are now. It's like they think the end of the world is coming and if we don't all just stay in our houses that death is a certainty. Just absolutely bizarre how edgy and terrified this has made people. It's actually in a strange way kind of amusing to watch.

You are talking about very few who feel that way. Most just want to be cautious.

I’m glad others’ fears amuse you. Totally on brand for you.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on May 23, 2020, 10:07:39 AM
Correct, and even then people weren't this fearful or weird as they are now. It's like they think the end of the world is coming and if we don't all just stay in our houses that death is a certainty. Just absolutely bizarre how edgy and terrified this has made people. It's actually in a strange way kind of amusing to watch.

This perspective has to be coming from somewhere but I simply don't think it's true. I talk to a lot of people from a wide swath of perspectives and I haven't met anyone who's edgy or terrified. People are taking additional precautions, many would prefer not to go out because it isn't a necessity for them and they are cognizant of the risks, but I wouldn't describe any of them as terrified. Certainly not like they were in the first few weeks of this when I did see true fear in people's eyes.

That said, death is a certainty. I'd argue it's the only true certainty in life.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 23, 2020, 10:25:50 AM
AIDS also can't be spread as easily as COVID. Different kinds of measures are necessary/appropriate
Having lived through it as a young adult it was absolutely terrifying. At this stage in time in the disease, there was no or little clue how it was spread. It was a death sentence, although hot spots were identified and a social stigma was soon attached. I was single at the time and happened to live in Boystown/Wrigleyville. We didn’t know if you could get it in bars, off a glass, at church, on the bus. Dating was absolutely crimped. There was no test to start. Talking to someone at the bus stop was taboo. Famous people were infected so it was in the news constantly.

My wife to be worked in a medical ward at the time. Masks, gloves, gowns were not common practice. Untested blood for transfusions, needle sticks, not knowing if the patient you are treating had it. Waiting two weeks for test results when testing was developed and she was exposed. Marriage licenses required a test even.

To say this is different at the start is naive. Science is way ahead this time, and that’s not saying much. It was a Scarlet Letter and its impact lasted years.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 23, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
This perspective has to be coming from somewhere but I simply don't think it's true. I talk to a lot of people from a wide swath of perspectives and I haven't met anyone who's edgy or terrified. People are taking additional precautions, many would prefer not to go out because it isn't a necessity for them and they are cognizant of the risks, but I wouldn't describe any of them as terrified. Certainly not like they were in the first few weeks of this when I did see true fear in people's eyes.

That said, death is a certainty. I'd argue it's the only true certainty in life.

The crystal ball is a certainty, as well
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 23, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
You are correct, but I am old enough to remember the fear our parents had every summer when there were polio outbreaks. Not as deadly, but if you survived you could spend the rest of your life in an iron long or be severely crippled. I know, I had to friends that contracted the disease. The worse outbreak was in 1952 when there were nearly 58000 cases. Some towns were quarantined but the entire country was not shut down.
It was not as easy or common to travel. Heck many people didn't leave their state. There will be 200k dead by August if no action had been taken it would had easily been 600-800k. This isn't over, obviously you can't go on panic mode, but for now can't put your guard now one has to be careful.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Elonsmusk on May 23, 2020, 12:40:07 PM
It doesn’t take Patrick Ewing getting covid to know that social distancing in sports is going to be impossible. Unless you thought defenders needed to stay 6 feet off their man at all times.

Well, we've seen this in the not too distant past when Buzz and Wojo insisted on playing Derrick Wilson 30+ minutes. 

Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 23, 2020, 12:53:37 PM
False. AIDS, 36 million dead.

Yes, but until Magic got it AIDS was a “gay disease.” Even the President at the time ignored it because it was viewed as only affecting the homosexual population. There were even pathetic rumors that Magic got it from homosexual activity.

Maybe I was too young at the time, but I don’t remember wearing a condom to stop the spread becoming a partisan issue.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: wadesworld on May 23, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
Well, we've seen this in the not too distant past when Buzz and Wojo insisted on playing Derrick Wilson 30+ minutes.

What?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muguru on May 23, 2020, 02:12:36 PM
This perspective has to be coming from somewhere but I simply don't think it's true. I talk to a lot of people from a wide swath of perspectives and I haven't met anyone who's edgy or terrified. People are taking additional precautions, many would prefer not to go out because it isn't a necessity for them and they are cognizant of the risks, but I wouldn't describe any of them as terrified. Certainly not like they were in the first few weeks of this when I did see true fear in people's eyes.

That said, death is a certainty. I'd argue it's the only true certainty in life
.

I'm not necessarily saying they are terrified now, but at one point people WERE terrified, you said it yourself. I mean, let's be realistic here, we can do whatever we need to do to TRY to mitigate the risks(wear masks, gloves, stay home more etc), but the bottom line is, there is still no guarantee you won't get it. You could do absolutely everything right and people around you could do everything right and you could still get it whether it's from the grocery store, a church, anywhere you go.

Maybe one of the better analogies I can think of is with cancer...you can live the healthiest lifestyle there is, and there's still no guarantee you aren't going to get it at some point. Hopefully you don't, but even with the best precautions/doing everything right you can possibly do, it's still no certainty. The point is, if you get it, you get it and there's not much you can do about it, that's with any disease.

If you read some of the twitter comments that I have read during this, yes, there are actually people out there that are terrified, that think the world is coming to an end and getting Covid is an automatic death sentence.

The thing is, 5 or 10 years from now after we have gotten a vaccine for this(hopefully there will be one), people are STILL going to have this in the back of their minds and live differently because of it. To ME(and I don't speak for everyone), that's weird.

The doom and gloom and the terror people demonstrated through this is something I would more equate to if the USA suffered a nuclear attack and radiation was everywhere...now that would be a certain death sentence, and the downright fear people were demonstrating would be warranted.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on May 23, 2020, 02:18:45 PM
100,000 dead in three months, it's not like those fears, especially for people who are immunocompromised, were unfounded.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 23, 2020, 02:29:32 PM
Coach Ewing has had a rough stretch of events lately. Been ripped publicly by former teammates , all the transfers and his house got robbed. Hope he comes out of Covid healthy .

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/georgetown-coach-knicks-legend-patrick-ewing-has-coronavirus/

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 23, 2020, 02:36:55 PM
AIDS also can't be spread as easily as COVID. Different kinds of measures are necessary/appropriate

I'm not sure if you know the history behind aids, but in the early years this would be a great comparison to covid.

Even if the fears were eventually proven false.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 23, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
Yes, but until Magic got it AIDS was a “gay disease.” Even the President at the time ignored it because it was viewed as only affecting the homosexual population. There were even pathetic rumors that Magic got it from homosexual activity.

Maybe I was too young at the time, but I don’t remember wearing a condom to stop the spread becoming a partisan issue.

Tell that to the continent of Africa. Nature knows no boundaries.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 23, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
I'm not sure if you know the history behind aids, but in the early years this would be a great comparison to covid.

Even if the fears were eventually proven false.

Not really. We knew how HIV was transmitted. If you weren’t sexually promiscuous or gay (because we were taught it was a gay disease) you had nothing to worry about. I never worried about being affected by going to a restaurant or gym. Sure, there was the occasional Ryan White situation, but how many of us who were not engaging in high risk behavior were getting those?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Shooter McGavin on May 23, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
You are correct, but I am old enough to remember the fear our parents had every summer when there were polio outbreaks. Not as deadly, but if you survived you could spend the rest of your life in an iron long or be severely crippled. I know, I had to friends that contracted the disease. The worse outbreak was in 1952 when there were nearly 58000 cases. Some towns were quarantined but the entire country was not shut down.

To think there are absolute morons in this world who are anti vaccine is unbelievable.  If they were parents during the time you are referring to they would never have that stance.   
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Shooter McGavin on May 23, 2020, 06:33:27 PM
AIDS also can't be spread as easily as COVID. Different kinds of measures are necessary/appropriate

Correct, very ignorant to compare HIV to Covid 19. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 23, 2020, 06:48:18 PM
Correct, very ignorant to compare HIV to Covid 19.

I think the psyche comparison is fair game.  With AIDS there were so many unknowns. This time around we know more (not all) and it moved very quickly on a global basis due to transmissibility and our interconnected nature.  That perpetuates the fear. I think we learn a few things and get some advances on the treatment front and we start to move forward to some degree. 

Conversely I don’t get the poo-poo attitude.  We know at this point that this is serious/grave—but not debilitating. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 23, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
In my years on this earth I have never seen anything that's brought out the paranoia and weird in people the way this pandemic has. Just...bizarre, really.

Unless you are old enough to have lived through either of the world wars or the Great Depression, the world has not seen anything as big as this pandemic during your lifetime.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muguru on May 23, 2020, 07:09:41 PM
Unless you are old enough to have lived through either of the world wars or the Great Depression, the world has not seen anything as big as this pandemic during your lifetime.

You're right, but the fact it's a pandemic and a virus that has brought out so much fear and weirdness in people, is what is strange to me. This isn't like a nuclear attack on the country or something where the entire world would be wiped out. But that's just it, there are people that do think the world is going to end because of this and that it's going to kill absolutely everyone. Just bizarre.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 23, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
But that's just it, there are people that do think the world is going to end because of this and that it's going to kill absolutely everyone. Just bizarre.

I actually know zero people that share this belief.  So it’s weird to me that you know so many that feel this way. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 23, 2020, 07:18:57 PM
(clears throat). JB.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 23, 2020, 07:25:54 PM
You're right, but the fact it's a pandemic and a virus that has brought out so much fear and weirdness in people, is what is strange to me. This isn't like a nuclear attack on the country or something where the entire world would be wiped out. But that's just it, there are people that do think the world is going to end because of this and that it's going to kill absolutely everyone. Just bizarre.


But the threat of a huge nuclear attack wiping out humanity was always that - a threat. As far as most people know, we only came really close once, during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The pandemic is more than just a vague threat or even a close call - it’s actually here, still spreading and killing tens of thousands of human beings.

I don’t know of anyone who thinks it is going to kill everyone, but it is the biggest deal we have seen in this country since World War II.

Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muguru on May 23, 2020, 07:39:16 PM
(clears throat). JB.

Bingo...that's one, and read twitter comments, you'll find many more.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 23, 2020, 07:43:57 PM
Correct, very ignorant to compare HIV to Covid 19.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 23, 2020, 08:05:23 PM
Ridiculous.
I was never really afraid of AIDS I always kept up with science and it was pretty quick known transmission was through bodily fluids like blood etc. I remember the very early days thought to be a homosexual desease. That was specially taken by the crazy ultra conservative "religious" crazies.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 23, 2020, 08:17:49 PM
I'm not necessarily saying they are terrified now, but at one point people WERE terrified, you said it yourself. I mean, let's be realistic here, we can do whatever we need to do to TRY to mitigate the risks(wear masks, gloves, stay home more etc), but the bottom line is, there is still no guarantee you won't get it. You could do absolutely everything right and people around you could do everything right and you could still get it whether it's from the grocery store, a church, anywhere you go.

Maybe one of the better analogies I can think of is with cancer...you can live the healthiest lifestyle there is, and there's still no guarantee you aren't going to get it at some point. Hopefully you don't, but even with the best precautions/doing everything right you can possibly do, it's still no certainty. The point is, if you get it, you get it and there's not much you can do about it, that's with any disease.

If you read some of the twitter comments that I have read during this, yes, there are actually people out there that are terrified, that think the world is coming to an end and getting Covid is an automatic death sentence.

The thing is, 5 or 10 years from now after we have gotten a vaccine for this(hopefully there will be one), people are STILL going to have this in the back of their minds and live differently because of it. To ME(and I don't speak for everyone), that's weird.

The doom and gloom and the terror people demonstrated through this is something I would more equate to if the USA suffered a nuclear attack and radiation was everywhere...now that would be a certain death sentence, and the downright fear people were demonstrating would be warranted.
I can see what you are trying to say, but cancer is a whole different animal. Cancer is a cell mutation that is triggered and everyone has the potential. Of course the diet etc. can help you to an extent. My uncle who was a very knowledgeable oncologist said that it could be about 10-15% related to diet. Most cancer propensity is family related and if DNA breakthroughs keep going many cancers could be prevented but it will still take a lot of science.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 23, 2020, 09:34:37 PM
Unless you are old enough to have lived through either of the world wars or the Great Depression, the world has not seen anything as big as this pandemic during your lifetime.

Other than Marquette’s national championship in 1977 and the White Sox World Series win in 2005.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Windyplayer on May 23, 2020, 09:37:50 PM
They have like four guys on the team. I think they’ll be fine.
Lol.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Shooter McGavin on May 23, 2020, 10:09:08 PM
Ridiculous.

Went back and read your post.  I get the scare factor comparison.  But as we learned more about HIV we found, aside from blood transfusions, needle sticks and body fluid mucous membrane exposure in medical personnel, that lifestyle changes would virtually eliminate any risk of getting it. 

You are right though it was initially extremely nerve racking.  My comment was more for people comparing mode of transmission and risk of getting the virus for the general population.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 23, 2020, 11:02:07 PM
Went back and read your post.  I get the scare factor comparison.  But as we learned more about HIV we found, aside from blood transfusions, needle sticks and body fluid mucous membrane exposure in medical personnel, that lifestyle changes would virtually eliminate any risk of getting it. 

You are right though it was initially extremely nerve racking.  My comment was more for people comparing mode of transmission and risk of getting the virus for the general population.

I hear you Scooter but the AIDS epidemic seems to be easily dismissed here. 36 million dead vs. 350k with COVID to date.  Swine Flu was worse so far.  Hong Kong flu in 1969-70 was way worse. Statistically can COVID be worse?  Absolutely but it's not yet by a long shot.  Folks need to check their biases, though. AIDS was a death sentence.

I believe science can catch us up here.

#Perspective.  But folks here need to get a grip too starting with the mods. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: MU82 on May 23, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
You don’t get AIDS or cancer or any of the other day ridiculous analogies by just being in the same room with people who have AIDS or cancer.

Some people seem almost desperate to downplay a virus that has killed 100K Americans in 3 months and that probably would have killed 500K or 1 million of us or more had we not done the kind of mitigation that we’ve done.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muguru on May 23, 2020, 11:37:23 PM
You don’t get AIDS or cancer or any of the other day ridiculous analogies by just being in the same room with people who have AIDS or cancer.

Some people seem almost desperate to downplay a virus that has killed 100K Americans in 3 months and that probably would have killed 500K or 1 million of us or more had we not done the kind of mitigation that we’ve done.
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You(nor anyone else) have ZERO way of knowing what the death count would have been. None whatsoever. That's like saying If I would have bought a lottery ticket I "probably" would have won it. It's just as ridiculous.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 24, 2020, 12:46:10 AM
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You(nor anyone else) have ZERO way of knowing what the death count would have been. None whatsoever. That's like saying If I would have bought a lottery ticket I "probably" would have won it. It's just as ridiculous.

You can say that we have ZERO way of knowing, that is correct.

But to say the odds of sheltering in place (and other steps taken) reducing the death count of the pandemic are comparable to the odds of winning the lottery with a single tickets is....well...ridiculous.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 24, 2020, 12:49:36 AM
Dr. B and Unleash, my comments were not meant to minimize the AIDS pandemic in the slightest. Merely countering arguments that I've seen here and elsewhere that because we didn't shelter in place for AIDS that we shouldn't have had to shelter in place now.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 24, 2020, 02:13:46 AM
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You(nor anyone else) have ZERO way of knowing what the death count would have been. None whatsoever. That's like saying If I would have bought a lottery ticket I "probably" would have won it. It's just as ridiculous.
Nope you are completely wrong on this. That is why I can tell you there will be 200k deaths from COVID by August and I'm being conservative. I knew there were going to be 100k by May. The projections on this type of virus on the conservative side are very easy to predict as long as there is no cure or treatment. You can just look at numbers and do simple math. If there is a second wave by fall you will have at least 500k deaths by December. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 24, 2020, 02:29:36 AM
You don’t get AIDS or cancer or any of the other day ridiculous analogies by just being in the same room with people who have AIDS or cancer.

Some people seem almost desperate to downplay a virus that has killed 100K Americans in 3 months and that probably would have killed 500K or 1 million of us or more had we not done the kind of mitigation that we’ve done.



Likely more than 100k have also died from other neglected medical conditions, lack of "elected" care, preventive or early diagnostic care, mental issues, or the effects of a devastating economy over the past 2.5 months.

#overkill
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 24, 2020, 05:05:56 AM
Bingo...that's one, and read twitter comments, you'll find many more.

If you are forming your opinions based on Twitter comments, I have no argument .
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: MUDPT on May 24, 2020, 05:44:28 AM


Likely more than 100k have also died from other neglected medical conditions, lack of "elected" care, preventive or early diagnostic care, mental issues, or the effects of a devastating economy over the past 2.5 months.

#overkill

Source?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 24, 2020, 06:13:15 AM
Anti lockdown tweets are being driven by bots.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 24, 2020, 06:20:37 AM
Anti lockdown tweets are being driven by bots.

 https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/05/21/1002105/covid-bot-twitter-accounts-push-to-reopen-america/ (https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/05/21/1002105/covid-bot-twitter-accounts-push-to-reopen-america/)
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 24, 2020, 07:31:37 AM


Likely more than 100k have also died from other neglected medical conditions, lack of "elected" care, preventive or early diagnostic care, mental issues, or the effects of a devastating economy over the past 2.5 months.

#overkill



That's absolutely unbelievable speculation. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 24, 2020, 07:46:48 AM


Likely more than 100k have also died from other neglected medical conditions, lack of "elected" care, preventive or early diagnostic care, mental issues, or the effects of a devastating economy over the past 2.5 months.

#overkill
Keypad flatulence without a source.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: MU82 on May 24, 2020, 08:57:47 AM
Jeesh.

Can we at least agree that you don't get AIDS or cancer or heart problems simply by being in close proximity to somebody with those conditions, so it's ridiculous to compare COVID-19 to them?

Or are some going to continue to press those kinds of narratives just because?

Also ... there is an entire other board set up for these discussions.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 24, 2020, 10:25:42 AM
#Perspective.  But folks here need to get a grip too starting with the mods.

Jeesh, this is what I get for spending a day on home improvement and not reading scoop.  First, I was merely going by the CDC list of influenza pandemics, so a bit ignorant of me:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html

Second, as others mentioned, AIDS has a much different mechanism of transfer.  Many of us had to think, and be cautious until more was known, but hardly anyone thought going out to dinner at a crowded restaurant was a risk.

Finally (and to quibble about first point), depending on who you ask, AIDS is not a pandemic (the WHO...), instead an epidemic.  It's was known about in 1981 but only started to get recognition as an epidemic in the early 90s.  It took 9 years for 300k recognized cases (and estimates of 1M actual cases) to be tracked.  That's the same scale COVID has dealt in 5 months. 

I'm not quibbling about the ramifications of HIV in society.  Over time it may still be worse than COVID.  But comparing it to the social/emotional reaction of COVID-19 is too not a good comparison given the speed of spread.

#Perspective
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: real chili 83 on May 24, 2020, 10:46:09 AM
False. AIDS, 36 million dead.

There was that pesky plague thing a few years ago.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Small Orange Soda on May 24, 2020, 10:59:18 PM
Some people thought orange soda caused polio.
Swinning pools were suspect.
Now it's choirs, foursomes, and dirty hands.

wait what?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on May 25, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
Jeesh, this is what I get for spending a day on home improvement and not reading scoop.  First, I was merely going by the CDC list of influenza pandemics, so a bit ignorant of me:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html

Second, as others mentioned, AIDS has a much different mechanism of transfer.  Many of us had to think, and be cautious until more was known, but hardly anyone thought going out to dinner at a crowded restaurant was a risk.

Finally (and to quibble about first point), depending on who you ask, AIDS is not a pandemic (the WHO...), instead an epidemic.  It's was known about in 1981 but only started to get recognition as an epidemic in the early 90s.  It took 9 years for 300k recognized cases (and estimates of 1M actual cases) to be tracked.  That's the same scale COVID has dealt in 5 months. 

I'm not quibbling about the ramifications of HIV in society.  Over time it may still be worse than COVID.  But comparing it to the social/emotional reaction of COVID-19 is too not a good comparison given the speed of spread.

#Perspective

Great perspective, wokky.  A+.  Top notch.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GBPhoenix1993 on May 25, 2020, 10:53:56 AM
Wishing the best for Patrick Ewing.  If nothing else, he seems to be in at least decent shape for a 57 year old 7 foot guy (though there aren't many 57 year old 7 foot guys to compare to, LOL).  That said, 7 foot guys are already at least at a slight disadvantage for long life spans due to how many calories they need to take in to survive and how hard their hearts have to work to get blood pumping throughout their bodies. 

I have at least a shred of hope we'll see some version of College Football and Basketball this coming year, but it will certainly be a different atmosphere than in the past if it happens at all.  I really think basketball is the easier sport to let take place as there aren't as many guys that need to be Covid tested on a regular basis and it's easy to balance out the Title 9 requirements by having an equal amount of players for Women's basketball playing. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: muwarrior69 on May 25, 2020, 12:44:08 PM
100,000 dead in three months, it's not like those fears, especially for people who are immunocompromised, were unfounded.

...and 60% of those deaths are in only 5 states; 40% in New York and New Jersey alone. To claim this is a national crisis is an over statement. I live in New Jersey so we practice good hygiene, we ware a mask when shopping. My son-in-law's mom (78 yo) and brother live in Staten Island. We (my wife and I are 73 yo) celebrated Christmas , Easter and Mothers Day together and we are all fine. Sure its a bad bug but I think it is not as contagious as they claim it to be; a third of all deaths are from those confined in Nursing homes.

My main complaint is who decides what is essential and what is not. Last Friday the State health authority closed down a gym in defiance of the governors orders. They actually changed the locks on his place of business to prevent him from re-opening. He was taking the temperature of all his members before they entered the gym; all his equipment was 12 ft apart and wiped down after use and all members had to ware a mask while in the gym and only 20 members were aloud in the 20K sq ft gym at one time. I could see the state shutting him down if he was not taking proper precautions, but it seemed to me he was going above and beyond. They wanted to make an example of him, period. I am only required to ware mask to go into a grocery store; or Wal Mart  or Target, where I can buy shoes or clothing, but can't by shoes at a local shoe store or clothes at Kohl's or Macy's. Why?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 25, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
In your years on this earth (how many earths have you been on?)  there has never been a pandemic this deadly.  FACT.
the FACT is you could not be more wrong.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 25, 2020, 01:21:32 PM
...and 60% of those deaths are in only 5 states; 40% in New York and New Jersey alone. To claim this is a national crisis is an over statement. I live in New Jersey so we practice good hygiene, we ware a mask when shopping. My son-in-law's mom (78 yo) and brother live in Staten Island. We (my wife and I are 73 yo) celebrated Christmas , Easter and Mothers Day together and we are all fine. Sure its a bad bug but I think it is not as contagious as they claim it to be; a third of all deaths are from those confined in Nursing homes.

My main complaint is who decides what is essential and what is not. Last Friday the State health authority closed down a gym in defiance of the governors orders. They actually changed the locks on his place of business to prevent him from re-opening. He was taking the temperature of all his members before they entered the gym; all his equipment was 12 ft apart and wiped down after use and all members had to ware a mask while in the gym and only 20 members were aloud in the 20K sq ft gym at one time. I could see the state shutting him down if he was not taking proper precautions, but it seemed to me he was going above and beyond. They wanted to make an example of him, period. I am only required to ware mask to go into a grocery store; or Wal Mart  or Target, where I can buy shoes or clothing, but can't by shoes at a local shoe store or clothes at Kohl's or Macy's. Why?

It’s not a national crisis?  Are you insane?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: vogue65 on May 25, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
wait what?

Small Orange Soda, you have finally been exposed, fess up.  I guess you were not around in the 50's when MISSION was the brand. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 25, 2020, 04:43:56 PM
...and 60% of those deaths are in only 5 states; 40% in New York and New Jersey alone. To claim this is a national crisis is an over statement. I live in New Jersey so we practice good hygiene, we ware a mask when shopping. My son-in-law's mom (78 yo) and brother live in Staten Island. We (my wife and I are 73 yo) celebrated Christmas , Easter and Mothers Day together and we are all fine. Sure its a bad bug but I think it is not as contagious as they claim it to be; a third of all deaths are from those confined in Nursing homes.

My main complaint is who decides what is essential and what is not. Last Friday the State health authority closed down a gym in defiance of the governors orders. They actually changed the locks on his place of business to prevent him from re-opening. He was taking the temperature of all his members before they entered the gym; all his equipment was 12 ft apart and wiped down after use and all members had to ware a mask while in the gym and only 20 members were aloud in the 20K sq ft gym at one time. I could see the state shutting him down if he was not taking proper precautions, but it seemed to me he was going above and beyond. They wanted to make an example of him, period. I am only required to ware mask to go into a grocery store; or Wal Mart  or Target, where I can buy shoes or clothing, but can't by shoes at a local shoe store or clothes at Kohl's or Macy's. Why?
You have been lucky so far. Some people are lucky at Russian roulette. At least where I live places that sell food Walmart etc. can only sell food and essentials no clothing, electronics entertainment etc. that will change tomorrow in 4th phase of opening.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 25, 2020, 04:45:31 PM
Good thing Patrick is already back home
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 25, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
Good thing Patrick is already back home

That is good news.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on May 25, 2020, 08:27:46 PM
You have been lucky so far. Some people are lucky at Russian roulette. At least where I live places that sell food Walmart etc. can only sell food and essentials no clothing, electronics entertainment etc. that will change tomorrow in 4th phase of opening.
News, with a 99% chance of surviving the virus it is hardly Russian Roulette. Here in SD we have had no new deaths for days, thank God but we have been going to Walmart, Costco etc. without restrictions of what you can buy. Been on the beach for weeks and hiking the trails. People are being careful but some places that limit what you can buy baffle me. Stay safe,All
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 25, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
News, with a 99% chance of surviving the virus it is hardly Russian Roulette. Here in SD we have had no new deaths for days, thank God but we have been going to Walmart, Costco etc. without restrictions of what you can buy. Been on the beach for weeks and hiking the trails. People are being careful but some places that limit what you can buy baffle me. Stay safe,All
Where do you get 99%? At my age it for sure Is not 99%. Good you guys are lucky, all I say is don't let your guard down specially with what has been happening to children. We obviously were on lockdown and you could buy food an essentials. All retail except those that offered food an essentials had to close. Didn't want people on the street for no reason. So stores that carry non essentials couldn't sell them to not be unfair to stores that had to close. Thank you and you too be safe.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on May 25, 2020, 09:41:34 PM
In your years on this earth (how many earths have you been on?)  there has never been a pandemic this deadly.  FACT.

If you have been on this earth for longer than 51 years, then you have lived in as deadly a pandemic. FACT.

The Hong Kong flue of late '68 and into '69 killed more than 100,000 Americans and over 1,000,000 deaths globally.  I was a teen then, my dad had this flu and made him very sick.  This was before helicopter parenting.  Schools were not closed.  Sporting events went on.  Woodstock was not canceled.  It was barely in the news, despite the huge numbers in this country and globally. 

24/7 news.  Social media.  Risk aversion.  Attituded have changed.  But factually, yes some of us have lived through a pandemic every bit as bad and I have to believe half of this message board is over the age of 50.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/coronavirus-pandemic-shows-how-risk-averse-americans-have-grown/
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 25, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
If you have been on this earth for longer than 51 years, then you have lived in as deadly a pandemic. FACT.

The Hong Kong flue of late '68 and into '69 killed more than 100,000 Americans and over 1,000,000 deaths globally.  I was a teen then, my dad had this flu and made him very sick.  This was before helicopter parenting.  Schools were not closed.  Sporting events went on.  Woodstock was not canceled.  It was barely in the news, despite the huge numbers in this country and globally. 

24/7 news.  Social media.  Risk aversion.  Attituded have changed.  But factually, yes some of us have lived through a pandemic every bit as bad and I have to believe half of this message board is over the age of 50.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/coronavirus-pandemic-shows-how-risk-averse-americans-have-grown/
Extremely different situations worldwide. Not a lot of movement specially worldwide or state wide. Had we not done what was done there would most likely be 200k + dead. This is not over by any means and by the way actual immunity has not been established yet. There is still ways to go.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on May 25, 2020, 09:53:17 PM
Where do you get 99%? At my age it for sure Is not 99%. Good you guys are lucky, all I say is don't let your guard down specially with what has been happening to children. We obviously were on lockdown and you could buy food an essentials. All retail except those that offered food an essentials had to close. Didn't want people on the street for no reason. So stores that carry non essentials couldn't sell them to not be unfair to stores that had to close. Thank you and you too be safe.

For the general public it is very low.  If you are under the age of 44, your chances are very good. 

What has been happening to children?  Not the overreaction, but what has actually been happening?  Are there children that get sick and some that die?  There are some and it is terrible, but the Coronavirus as a cause of death for children will likely not make the top 50 reasons for death according to the statistics.   The chanced of a child dying is 1 in 5.3M based on stats from the UK.  In the United States, it is less than 0.1%.

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1238/0*je_1q_w243Lw78Ur)

Now, someone will say that is callous and what if it was your child or grandchild.  We all get it, and the heartstrings pull hardest, but cannot that same comment be made when it is your child killed by a drunk driver, a school shooter, a bully that punches him/her in the head, or any other tragic death to a young person? 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 25, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
If you have been on this earth for longer than 51 years, then you have lived in as deadly a pandemic. FACT.

The Hong Kong flue

So...in the US...as of today "as deadly"...but probably "less deadly" as of next week.  Gee, thanks.  It was a nice weekend here without you.  How were the properties in Idaho?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: jesmu84 on May 26, 2020, 05:04:42 AM
So...in the US...as of today "as deadly"...but probably "less deadly" as of next week.  Gee, thanks.  It was a nice weekend here without you.  How were the properties in Idaho?

Oh crap! Mod confirmation of Chico's!
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 26, 2020, 07:51:09 AM
So...in the US...as of today "as deadly"...but probably "less deadly" as of next week.  Gee, thanks.  It was a nice weekend here without you.  How were the properties compounds in Idaho?

FIFY
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 26, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
Oh crap! Mod confirmation of Chico's!

Not confirmation.  I'm just as suspicious as everyone else.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: MU82 on May 26, 2020, 10:23:23 AM
Maybe just hoopaloop’s evil twin?

Or maybe he’s hoopaloop from Bizarro Scoop and somehow has found our world.

Or maybe some kind of nuclear event created an alternative universe situation. He actually has traded places with the real hoopaloop, and he has a goofy goatee like Mr. Spock in that one Star Trek episode.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on May 26, 2020, 12:04:47 PM
So...in the US...as of today "as deadly"...but probably "less deadly" as of next week.  Gee, thanks.  It was a nice weekend here without you.  How were the properties in Idaho?

Why was it nice without me? 

The '68-'69 Hong Kong flu killed at least 100,000.  We don't know if it was 110K, 140K or some other number. The CDC isn't sure (sound familiar - even then the CDC could not count).  Worldwide the estimates are the Hong Kong flu killed at least 1M, which is much bigger than the current COVID 19.   If COVID 19 passes it that doesn't make that epidemic any less of a big event. The difference is how we reacted to it as a people.  We went on with our lives, school, sporting events, concerts. 

I don't understand your Idaho comments.  We didn't go to Idaho.  We went to Nashville for a small gathering of family for a relative - social distancing practiced.  Though while we were there we did a little driving and impressed with what we saw.  Will probably wait to see what our youngest does upon graduating Marquette in '21, but considering moving out of Illinois.  Idaho is too far west no family connections of any kind there. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
Congratulations, coach, on being able to leave the hospital.    I hope your recovery continues.   
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 26, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
For the general public it is very low.  If you are under the age of 44, your chances are very good. 

What has been happening to children?  Not the overreaction, but what has actually been happening?  Are there children that get sick and some that die?  There are some and it is terrible, but the Coronavirus as a cause of death for children will likely not make the top 50 reasons for death according to the statistics.   The chanced of a child dying is 1 in 5.3M based on stats from the UK.  In the United States, it is less than 0.1%.

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1238/0*je_1q_w243Lw78Ur)

Now, someone will say that is callous and what if it was your child or grandchild.  We all get it, and the heartstrings pull hardest, but cannot that same comment be made when it is your child killed by a drunk driver, a school shooter, a bully that punches him/her in the head, or any other tragic death to a young person?
As of today this is happening in 27 states. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/a-pretty-scary-thing-rare-child-syndrome-tied-to-virus-worries-new-york-100-sick/2413952/
We are still in the early stages of a novel virus. People who had recuperated and tested negative are getting sick again, many variables starting to develop. Hopefully nothing will come of it.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 26, 2020, 07:54:05 PM
Why was it nice without me? 

The '68-'69 Hong Kong flu killed at least 100,000.  We don't know if it was 110K, 140K or some other number. The CDC isn't sure (sound familiar - even then the CDC could not count).  Worldwide the estimates are the Hong Kong flu killed at least 1M, which is much bigger than the current COVID 19.   If COVID 19 passes it that doesn't make that epidemic any less of a big event. The difference is how we reacted to it as a people.  We went on with our lives, school, sporting events, concerts. 

I don't understand your Idaho comments.  We didn't go to Idaho.  We went to Nashville for a small gathering of family for a relative - social distancing practiced.  Though while we were there we did a little driving and impressed with what we saw.  Will probably wait to see what our youngest does upon graduating Marquette in '21, but considering moving out of Illinois.  Idaho is too far west no family connections of any kind there.
Can't compare 60's to today. The amount of movement and interaction was not even close between states and much less international travel as it is today. And don't give me but... but... Woodstock, besides we want to avoid as many people dying as possible at least I'm on that side. Maybe you're comfortable with 100k dying in 3 months, I'm not. And it is not only the dead,  https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/13/world/coronavirus-survivors-severe-health-effects-years/
But I'll let this be. You being Chicos I won't go into a circle jerk argument.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on May 27, 2020, 11:03:33 AM
To claim this is a national crisis is an over statement.

Don't be ridiculous. When at least double digits are dying in every single state, it's a national crisis.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 27, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
So, about Ewing.  He's doing pretty good, no?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 27, 2020, 12:28:46 PM
So, about Ewing.  He's doing pretty good, no?
Out of hospital, recuperating at home.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 27, 2020, 12:31:05 PM
Don't be ridiculous. When at least double digits are dying in every single state, it's a national crisis.
Don't be ridiculous, Every state averages double digit deaths by cancer, auto accidents and the flu.

I agree this is a major issue but it's also a huge payday for the media.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 27, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
Don't be ridiculous, Every state averages double digit deaths by cancer, auto accidents and the flu.



Oh God...
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 27, 2020, 12:43:20 PM

Oh God...
What?

60,000 per year die from the flu in the US.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on May 27, 2020, 01:20:38 PM
What?

60,000 per year die from the flu in the US.

That's not true. 61,000 died in 2017-18. The average over the past 9 years (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html) is 37,462. We're pushing triple that in just 3 months.

And comparing this to other events is silly because this is a sentinel event that adds on top of all other things. It can't be compared to them, only to other similar sentinel events, such as Ebola, 9/11, World War II, etc.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 27, 2020, 01:35:28 PM
What?

60,000 per year die from the flu in the US.

Weak ass, easily refuted talking point.   

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/the-flu-has-killed-2200-michiganders-since-2000-coronavirus-topped-that-in-a-month.html


For the third time, 'the flu' has killed 2200 citizens of Michigan SINCE 2000!    COVID has killed over 5000 in 3 months.     
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 27, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
Jeez! You guys win. The original assertion was the are double digit deaths in every state so this is a national crisis. I pointed out a "weak ass" (very mature) fact that other issues like cancer kill double digit people every year also. Now this has become a debate about Michigan? Like I said, you guys win, I can't follow this logic.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 27, 2020, 02:01:46 PM
I’m glad Ewing is doing well.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on May 27, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
I am too.    White trash, I apologize.    Of course there are deaths from car accidents, the flu, cancer, guns, drug overdoses.     Always have been.    Not since 1918 has any illness killed 100,000 Americans in 3.5 months.   Here is a list of COVID deaths vs other major events in US history.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/29/coronavirus-vietnam-deaths/

This article is a month old and the current number of deaths is nearly 100k now.  This is killing faster than World Wars.  Faster than the civil war.  More already dead than Viet Nam.

So, 60k in 12 months is significantly less than 100k in 3.5 months.    I think it will slow, but if it doesn't, 300k by the end of the year.    Or 5x more than the flu.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 27, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
I am too.    White trash, I apologize.    Of course there are deaths from car accidents, the flu, cancer, guns, drug overdoses.     Always have been.    Not since 1918 has any illness killed 100,000 Americans in 3.5 months.   Here is a list of COVID deaths vs other major events in US history.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/29/coronavirus-vietnam-deaths/

This article is a month old and the current number of deaths is nearly 100k now.  This is killing faster than World Wars.  Faster than the civil war.  More already dead than Viet Nam.

So, 60k in 12 months is significantly less than 100k in 3.5 months.    I think it will slow, but if it doesn't, 300k by the end of the year.    Or 5x more than the flu.
Thanks, I think we mostly agree. This is a big deal. I'm in a state that is not hard hit so my perspective may not be 100% correct but it seems like we may be wading into an even worse situation if jobs and the associated health insurance does not rebound quickly.  People in the health care industry are loosing jobs each day. People are losing their health insurance every day.

I'm the farthest thing from an expert and I don't envy our political leaders, Dems or Reps, so I'll leave it to the experts and pray for the best outcome.

So, how 'bout them Warriors?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on May 27, 2020, 05:08:56 PM
Thanks, I think we mostly agree. This is a big deal. I'm in a state that is not hard hit so my perspective may not be 100% correct but it seems like we may be wading into an even worse situation if jobs and the associated health insurance does not rebound quickly.  People in the health care industry are loosing jobs each day. People are losing their health insurance every day.

I'm the farthest thing from an expert and I don't envy our political leaders, Dems or Reps, so I'll leave it to the experts and pray for the best outcome.

So, how 'bout them Warriors?
We really, really need to decouple health insurance from employment.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: MU82 on May 27, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
We really, really need to decouple health insurance from employment.

You are 100% correct about that.

One should have absolutely nothing to do with another.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 27, 2020, 05:58:18 PM
We really, really need to decouple health insurance from employment.
Possibly. We could also use peace in the middle-east.

All joking aside, you maybe correct but this is an immediate threat that might bite us in the a$$. I'm doing okay as I assume many of my fellow MU grads are but I worry for our fellow Americans who live pay check to pay check or have little in savings.

I feel we are all doing better when those who have the least are doing better.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on May 27, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
Can't compare 60's to today. The amount of movement and interaction was not even close between states and much less international travel as it is today. And don't give me but... but... Woodstock, besides we want to avoid as many people dying as possible at least I'm on that side. Maybe you're comfortable with 100k dying in 3 months, I'm not. And it is not only the dead,  https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/13/world/coronavirus-survivors-severe-health-effects-years/
But I'll let this be. You being Chicos I won't go into a circle jerk argument.

If I understand you correctly, 100K dying in the 60's from the Hong Kong flu with limited movement and travel, economic means should translate today with all the movement, travel and opportunity we should expect much more than 100K which is what we have.    I'm not happy with 100K people dying of this.  I'm not happy with 10 more people shot here over the weekend.  People dying of Cancer.  In general, people dying I am not in favor of.  But I also won't live my life in fear nor do I for a second think all 100K died because of this.  Most were older than I am, many in nursing homes.  That is tragic that our leaders let that happen as they were the most vulnerable of society.  In my opinion we have also lost larger than normal numbers to suicide because of overreaction.  None of this is easy stuff.  I hope you and everyone else here remains safe and healthy, but I also hope we don't live in fear. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Newsdreams on May 27, 2020, 10:16:56 PM
If I understand you correctly, 100K dying in the 60's from the Hong Kong flu with limited movement and travel, economic means should translate today with all the movement, travel and opportunity we should expect much more than 100K which is what we have.    I'm not happy with 100K people dying of this.  I'm not happy with 10 more people shot here over the weekend.  People dying of Cancer.  In general, people dying I am not in favor of.  But I also won't live my life in fear nor do I for a second think all 100K died because of this.  Most were older than I am, many in nursing homes.  That is tragic that our leaders let that happen as they were the most vulnerable of society.  In my opinion we have also lost larger than normal numbers to suicide because of overreaction.  None of this is easy stuff.  I hope you and everyone else here remains safe and healthy, but I also hope we don't live in fear.
Again Cancer is not even similar to a virus that can be transmitted human to human. Apples and Oranges Chicos. Yes had we not mostly stayed home due to all the interaction compared to the 60's we would have done much worse. We have a 100k dead and this is not over. There will be at least 300k and if people keep at it like they did this past weekend there will be 500k due to a second wave. What stats do you have about suicide or is it speculation on your part? Today where I live a 27 year old who had recuperated and donated plasma died after new complications surfaced. Again comparing this virus to cancer, murder, accidents is silly to me, it is really childish. Have a good night Chicos.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 27, 2020, 10:19:46 PM
Ewing. Great player. TBD as coach. Hope he gets better soon.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on May 28, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Again Cancer is not even similar to a virus that can be transmitted human to human. Apples and Oranges Chicos. Yes had we not mostly stayed home due to all the interaction compared to the 60's we would have done much worse. We have a 100k dead and this is not over. There will be at least 300k and if people keep at it like they did this past weekend there will be 500k due to a second wave. What stats do you have about suicide or is it speculation on your part? Today where I live a 27 year old who had recuperated and donated plasma died after new complications surfaced. Again comparing this virus to cancer, murder, accidents is silly to me, it is really childish. Have a good night Chicos.

The medical experts believe in the suicide surge.  There were numerous stories last week from various clinics and doctors showing their locations with large increases in mental health incidents.  Today this article on suicide-related to COVID.  The data takes a few years according to surface, but there are deep concerns within the field.
 https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/5/28/21272160/suicide-covid-19-pandemic-mental-health-expert-projections-university-of-utah

And I'm not comparing cancer to this, or the others listed. I said that I'm not a fan of people dying regardless of the reason, and listed those examples but they were not comparisons.

Patrick Ewing home and on the mend is a good sign.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2020, 11:55:52 PM
The medical experts believe in the suicide surge.  There were numerous stories last week from various clinics and doctors showing their locations with large increases in mental health incidents.  Today this article on suicide-related to COVID.  The data takes a few years according to surface, but there are deep concerns within the field.
 https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/5/28/21272160/suicide-covid-19-pandemic-mental-health-expert-projections-university-of-utah

And I'm not comparing cancer to this, or the others listed. I said that I'm not a fan of people dying regardless of the reason, and listed those examples but they were not comparisons.

Patrick Ewing home and on the mend is a good sign.
My wife manages mental health care for 25 facilities and they have seen a significant increase in suicides and suicidal patients. Most concerning to her team is that they are mostly people with no previous mental health issues.

I don't know the correct answer for all this but there is collateral damage from the 'shut down'. Maybe we're better with more suicides and fewer COVID deaths. It's a horrible situation all around.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Not A Serious Person on June 02, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
South Carolina HC Frank Martin Says He Tested Positive for Coronavirus in May
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2894498-south-carolina-hc-frank-martin-says-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-in-may

South Carolina men's basketball coach Frank Martin announced Tuesday he tested positive for COVID-19 on May 8.

Per The Athletic's Josh Kendall, Martin said he was asymptomatic for the most part aside from feeling fatigued. Upon learning of his positive test, he self-quarantined at his home and was confirmed negative May 23.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on June 02, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Just like Coach Ewing, good luck to Coach Martin on a full recovery.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 02, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Reality check:


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 02, 2020, 03:07:40 PM
Reality check:


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html


Yinon Weiss is a tech entrepreneur, a U.S. military veteran, and a bioengineer by education.

While this is all true, he has never worked in the fields and is the founder of a couple tech start ups centered around....auto repair.  I'll stick to the epidemiologists thank you.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yweiss/
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: SWARM! on June 02, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
If you have been on this earth for longer than 51 years, then you have lived in as deadly a pandemic. FACT.

The Hong Kong flue of late '68 and into '69 killed more than 100,000 Americans and over 1,000,000 deaths globally.  I was a teen then, my dad had this flu and made him very sick.  This was before helicopter parenting.  Schools were not closed.  Sporting events went on.  Woodstock was not canceled.  It was barely in the news, despite the huge numbers in this country and globally. 

24/7 news.  Social media.  Risk aversion.  Attituded have changed.  But factually, yes some of us have lived through a pandemic every bit as bad and I have to believe half of this message board is over the age of 50.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/coronavirus-pandemic-shows-how-risk-averse-americans-have-grown/



Wait, so WarriorDad isn't Hoopaloop afterall?  Hoopy is like early 50s, which would make him a baby in the late 60's.  Guess Scoop Nation owes him an apology!
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on June 02, 2020, 06:14:02 PM

Yinon Weiss is a tech entrepreneur, a U.S. military veteran, and a bioengineer by education.

While this is all true, he has never worked in the fields and is the founder of a couple tech start ups centered around....auto repair.  I'll stick to the epidemiologists thank you.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yweiss/

Some epidemiologists agree with Mr. Weiss
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on June 02, 2020, 06:21:13 PM
My wife manages mental health care for 25 facilities and they have seen a significant increase in suicides and suicidal patients. Most concerning to her team is that they are mostly people with no previous mental health issues.

I don't know the correct answer for all this but there is collateral damage from the 'shut down'. Maybe we're better with more suicides and fewer COVID deaths. It's a horrible situation all around.

About a month ago here and elsewhere people were challenging this very idea that suicides were up, as if it was some kind of crazy idea.  Now more and more doctors, mental health experts and researchers are saying exactly that.  Suicides up, way up.  This is part of the trade-off that has to be looked at.  It isn't just the virus and who it attacks (if you are under 24 more likely to die by a lightning strike), but also the terrible destruction of jobs, services, tax revenues (that help cities, the poor, the unhealthy).   It is a horrible situation all around.  In the post-analysis we may find the models were wrong and the remedies too severe.  The collateral damage as painful as the disease.  No matter what, they will never be agreed upon with overtones of what was proper and what wasn't.  It will be an argument for years to come with both sides firmly entrenched.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 02, 2020, 06:55:01 PM
Some epidemiologists agree with Mr. Weiss

Cool.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 02, 2020, 07:26:54 PM

Yinon Weiss is a tech entrepreneur, a U.S. military veteran, and a bioengineer by education.

While this is all true, he has never worked in the fields and is the founder of a couple tech start ups centered around....auto repair.  I'll stick to the epidemiologists thank you.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yweiss/

Dont really care what his background is, he is dead on with his assessment.  Sweden is a perfect example.  There are a few very hard hit areas.  We shut down the entire country in an attempt to save a few large cities.  Shut the cities down let the rest of the nation pick up the slack.  Complete over reaction fueled by the left wing media. 
Not diminishing the deaths, dont think its less lethel than flu, etc.  But 90% of American is not under any true significant thread of covid,  simply due to the social distancing involved naturally by where they live.  1 death in my county, I live on over an acre no shutdowns spared me or the area I, and many Americans live in
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 02, 2020, 07:35:13 PM
 
Dont really care what his background is, he is dead on with his assessment.  Sweden is a perfect example.  There are a few very hard hit areas.  We shut down the entire country in an attempt to save a few large cities.  Shut the cities down let the rest of the nation pick up the slack.  Complete over reaction fueled by the left wing media. 
Not diminishing the deaths, dont think its less lethel than flu, etc.  But 90% of American is not under any true significant thread of covid,  simply due to the social distancing involved naturally by where they live.  1 death in my county, I live on over an acre no shutdowns spared me or the area I, and many Americans live in


Back when this started, people predicted that if the shut downs were successful, that brainless morons would downplay their importance due to lack of cases...caused by the shut downs.

Up steps Sand Knit and Chico’s.

I mean it was very predictable really.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 02, 2020, 09:41:00 PM


Back when this started, people predicted that if the shut downs were successful, that brainless morons would downplay their importance due to lack of cases...caused by the shut downs.

Up steps Sand Knit and Chico’s.

I mean it was very predictable really.
Yeah, that was my prediction. Turns out it is pretty easy to predict dopey rationalizations.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 02, 2020, 10:11:45 PM
U guys realize how stupid you sound for falling into your own trap?  Where i live there were no shutdowns, nothing changed except the schools shut down.  The offices n factories never closed.  Your dead wrong. Drive through the industrial parks n there was never an empty parking spot.  You are wrong.  You are both so deeply embedded in your beliefs that you will never consider that their could be an alternative version.  So predictable that possibly the two most closed minded and ignorant people on the board would be the first to pounce.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 02, 2020, 11:47:47 PM
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 03, 2020, 08:05:33 AM
U guys realize how stupid you sound for falling into your own trap?  Where i live there were no shutdowns, nothing changed except the schools shut down.  The offices n factories never closed.  Your dead wrong. Drive through the industrial parks n there was never an empty parking spot.  You are wrong.  You are both so deeply embedded in your beliefs that you will never consider that their could be an alternative version.  So predictable that possibly the two most closed minded and ignorant people on the board would be the first to pounce.


That's because nobody wants to live near you.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 03, 2020, 08:10:33 AM
Another check on Sweden's reality.


https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong?__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: tower912 on June 03, 2020, 10:23:16 AM
Discussed in Sweden thread.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 03, 2020, 10:53:30 AM
U guys realize how stupid you sound for falling into your own trap?  Where i live there were no shutdowns, nothing changed except the schools shut down.  The offices n factories never closed.  Your dead wrong. Drive through the industrial parks n there was never an empty parking spot.  You are wrong.  You are both so deeply embedded in your beliefs that you will never consider that their could be an alternative version.  So predictable that possibly the two most closed minded and ignorant people on the board would be the first to pounce.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 03, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
Lol
Look at all the charts showing a second spike!!
Lol
Havent seen one.  Continued downward trend despite reopening. 
Hold on to that n keep making it political, thats what u do best. Hold ur breath until u turn blue, might work better for you
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 03, 2020, 11:35:11 AM
Lol
Look at all the charts showing a second spike!!
Lol
Havent seen one.  Continued downward trend despite reopening. 
Hold on to that n keep making it political, thats what u do best. Hold ur breath until u turn blue, might work better for you
We know dude--because social distancing worked, it PROVES we didn't need to do it in the first place!
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 03, 2020, 12:45:59 PM
We know dude--because social distancing worked, it PROVES we didn't need to do it in the first place!

Still waiting for ur second spike
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GOO on June 03, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Let's ramble:

There was no good decision.  Either stay at home or not have bad outcomes. Neither is a good option. Plenty of amo for either side to take up in opposition.

I agree that if stay at home works or did work, it is easy to take shots at it.  This is why I didn't think politicians had the guts to do it.  Easy to say overreacted if it works.   If we did it early and the virus did not spread much, the calls that stay at home weren't needed would be greater. The better it works, the more people think it was a bad decision.  We humans are terrible at thinking rationally and logically, of course. I do think it worked to some extent.  Were saving 100K lives worth the shutdown?  I can answer that for me, but not for everyone.

Those that act like the decision was a robust economy versus stay at home, don't get it.  GDP was taking no matter.  Given that I side on the stay at home.

Confirmation bias at work here a lot on both sides.  You will find support for whatever you want to believe and already believe. We are not logical. The more you think you are logical, the less you probably are aware of how bad you actually think and digest information.

My opinion: The virus does not spread as easily as thought on surfaces and may not be as deadly as originally thought.  But we are no where near done with it and it has been very deadly and would have been  out of control if we just went on like in '69.  We ain't done here folks.  There is unfortunately, a lot more dying in the USA.  We lead in dying and on a basis of population percentages, it is embarrassing. We should have done better.  Hopefully we will be more prepared going forward. I believe in science and expertise and data. We reacted very slowly to an obvious crisis in the making as if somehow it wouldn't effect us.

The economy was tanking before the stay at home orders. Restaurants and bars were doing little business.  My restaurant clients were dying and wanting to close in mid-March, it made little sense to stay open and some wanted to close to actually save money.  So, stay at home was late, and the GDP was tanking anyway.  People who could, especially the elderly were already staying home on droves.  It was nice to go to restaurants and have the place almost entirely to ourselves in mid-March. Not so much for the economy. An earlier stay at home would have helped save the economy if it worked.
You don't want to reference Sweden to support not invoking stay at home orders.  Look at them compared to other Scandinavian countries that had orders in place: Sweden's economy tanked as many people did a self imposed stay at home order; yet their deaths and cases far exceed their neighbors.  Look how much better the other Scandinavian countries did.  Sweden is not a great reference to support that stay at home doesn't work (unless you want to say a lot of people died in Sweden compared to their neighbors, the economy tanked anyway, and they are not through it while their neighbors are through it.  The other Scandinavian countries are opening up boarders, but not too Sweden since they are still dealing with the virus.  To me, Sweden shows an option, but it didn't do much for them and they essentially had a self imposed stay at home order.  GDP numbers will be interesting.

David Rosenberg had a great interview on Bloomberg Masters that is worth a listen an does discuss the GDP of the USA and Sweden and the effects of the shut down.

Ramble over.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GOO on June 03, 2020, 03:36:22 PM
Sorry for the ramble.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: MU82 on June 03, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
Sorry for the ramble.

It was a real good ramble, GOO.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 05, 2020, 01:34:32 PM
Let's ramble:

There was no good decision.  Either stay at home or not have bad outcomes. Neither is a good option. Plenty of amo for either side to take up in opposition.

I agree that if stay at home works or did work, it is easy to take shots at it.  This is why I didn't think politicians had the guts to do it.  Easy to say overreacted if it works.   If we did it early and the virus did not spread much, the calls that stay at home weren't needed would be greater. The better it works, the more people think it was a bad decision.  We humans are terrible at thinking rationally and logically, of course. I do think it worked to some extent.  Were saving 100K lives worth the shutdown?  I can answer that for me, but not for everyone.

Those that act like the decision was a robust economy versus stay at home, don't get it.  GDP was taking no matter.  Given that I side on the stay at home.

Confirmation bias at work here a lot on both sides.  You will find support for whatever you want to believe and already believe. We are not logical. The more you think you are logical, the less you probably are aware of how bad you actually think and digest information.

My opinion: The virus does not spread as easily as thought on surfaces and may not be as deadly as originally thought.  But we are no where near done with it and it has been very deadly and would have been  out of control if we just went on like in '69.  We ain't done here folks.  There is unfortunately, a lot more dying in the USA.  We lead in dying and on a basis of population percentages, it is embarrassing. We should have done better.  Hopefully we will be more prepared going forward. I believe in science and expertise and data. We reacted very slowly to an obvious crisis in the making as if somehow it wouldn't effect us.

The economy was tanking before the stay at home orders. Restaurants and bars were doing little business.  My restaurant clients were dying and wanting to close in mid-March, it made little sense to stay open and some wanted to close to actually save money.  So, stay at home was late, and the GDP was tanking anyway.  People who could, especially the elderly were already staying home on droves.  It was nice to go to restaurants and have the place almost entirely to ourselves in mid-March. Not so much for the economy. An earlier stay at home would have helped save the economy if it worked.
You don't want to reference Sweden to support not invoking stay at home orders.  Look at them compared to other Scandinavian countries that had orders in place: Sweden's economy tanked as many people did a self imposed stay at home order; yet their deaths and cases far exceed their neighbors.  Look how much better the other Scandinavian countries did.  Sweden is not a great reference to support that stay at home doesn't work (unless you want to say a lot of people died in Sweden compared to their neighbors, the economy tanked anyway, and they are not through it while their neighbors are through it.  The other Scandinavian countries are opening up boarders, but not too Sweden since they are still dealing with the virus.  To me, Sweden shows an option, but it didn't do much for them and they essentially had a self imposed stay at home order.  GDP numbers will be interesting.

David Rosenberg had a great interview on Bloomberg Masters that is worth a listen an does discuss the GDP of the USA and Sweden and the effects of the shut down.

Ramble over.

Goo dont disagree with u entirely but as we stand today.  Today 6/5/2020, the number of new cases has leveled off a while back, systems will not be over loaded. In fact, despite many on the lefts predictions there has been no second spike, cases have been falling rapidly, you could say plummeting.  Falling rapidly in the face of a skyrocketing number of new tests administered daily.  So plummeting number of new cases despite an exponential growth in daily testing.
  And today 2.5 million people newly employed.  How many jobs will open back up if blue state governors would stop denying the facts? Are they now politically motivated despite all the numbers and the evidence that economies in red states are bouncing back while their cases continue to drop.
  Tsmith and fluffy have been denyers all along, Tsmith even said there was a second spike.  Right now the main thing holding this country back are blue state governors.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 05, 2020, 01:42:59 PM
Goo dont disagree with u entirely but as we stand today.  Today 6/5/2020, the number of new cases has leveled off a while back, systems will not be over loaded. In fact, despite many on the lefts predictions there has been no second spike, cases have been falling rapidly, you could say plummeting.  Falling rapidly in the face of a skyrocketing number of new tests administered daily.  So plummeting number of new cases despite an exponential growth in daily testing.

In Wisconsin, the number of new cases isn't "plummeting" at all.  The seven day average has been by and large increasing.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2020, 01:57:21 PM
Goo dont disagree with u entirely but as we stand today.  Today 6/5/2020, the number of new cases has leveled off a while back, systems will not be over loaded. In fact, despite many on the lefts predictions there has been no second spike, cases have been falling rapidly, you could say plummeting.  Falling rapidly in the face of a skyrocketing number of new tests administered daily.  So plummeting number of new cases despite an exponential growth in daily testing.
  And today 2.5 million people newly employed.  How many jobs will open back up if blue state governors would stop denying the facts? Are they now politically motivated despite all the numbers and the evidence that economies in red states are bouncing back while their cases continue to drop.
  Tsmith and fluffy have been denyers all along, Tsmith even said there was a second spike.  Right now the main thing holding this country back are blue state governors.

We are seeing a second spike in Wisconsin. Three of the five highest death totals (and the two highest) have come in the past 10 days. 6 of the 10 highest dates with the most confirmed cases have been since Memorial Day.

The good news is that percent of positives is down, but that is also because they are now testing more asymptomatic patients so that was always expected (while they can turn up positive, there were no asymptomatic tests given early on). There was a spike after Memorial Day and if the correlation there is actually causation we should expect to see another.

I know that the facts don't comport with the narrative you want to embrace, but I don't think the facts have any real care for your feelings, so sorry about that.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: jesmu84 on June 05, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
In Wisconsin, the number of new cases isn't "plummeting" at all.  The seven day average has been by and large increasing.

Statistics and facts? GTFO
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 05, 2020, 02:04:11 PM
Ok sorry u guys are so provincial
I was stating national numbers
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 05, 2020, 02:05:59 PM
We are seeing a second spike in Wisconsin. Three of the five highest death totals (and the two highest) have come in the past 10 days. 6 of the 10 highest dates with the most confirmed cases have been since Memorial Day.

The good news is that percent of positives is down, but that is also because they are now testing more asymptomatic patients so that was always expected (while they can turn up positive, there were no asymptomatic tests given early on). There was a spike after Memorial Day and if the correlation there is actually causation we should expect to see another.

I know that the facts don't comport with the narrative you want to embrace, but I don't think the facts have any real care for your feelings, so sorry about that.

So the positives are going down despite far more testing, glad we agree
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
So the positives are going down despite far more testing, glad we agree

And the negatives are more people dying than before. Which kind of outweighs the positives. And the totals are not going down. So also not good.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 05, 2020, 02:21:48 PM
The numbers show that those states with extended stay at home orders usually see flattening.  It makes sense.  I have never said that states shouldn't open back up and in fact I am largely supportive of how Wisconsin's counties have managed this.  The chaos we saw early after the Court's ruling was by and large replaced by common sense orders.

But even then cases are rising.  Yet the health care system seems to be managing it well.

But two months ago we were not ready.  The orders gave us time to order PPE, ventilators, ramp up testing, etc.  And the unemployment numbers are a GREAT sign.  They really are.  It shows that the shut down had positive health benefits, and that that negative economic benefits were temporary.  At least I hope so.  We will see.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
The numbers show that those states with extended stay at home orders usually see flattening.  It makes sense.  I have never said that states shouldn't open back up and in fact I am largely supportive of how Wisconsin's counties have managed this.  The chaos we saw early after the Court's ruling was by and large replaced by common sense orders.

But even then cases are rising.  Yet the health care system seems to be managing it well.

But two months ago we were not ready.  The orders gave us time to order PPE, ventilators, ramp up testing, etc.  And the unemployment numbers are a GREAT sign.  They really are.  It shows that the shut down had positive health benefits, and that that negative economic benefits were temporary.  At least I hope so.  We will see.

The hospitals are definitely more prepared and at least from a first responder standpoint, having experience and protocols in place has made it something we can manage better than we could 2 months ago.

The problem still remains testing and contact tracing. The best way to slow future outbreaks is to identify and stop them as soon as they happen. Without a thorough nationwide testing and tracing plan, which is virtually non-existent at this point, we are going to be chasing outbreaks for who knows how long.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: WarriorDad on June 05, 2020, 02:59:50 PM
We are seeing a second spike in Wisconsin. Three of the five highest death totals (and the two highest) have come in the past 10 days. 6 of the 10 highest dates with the most confirmed cases have been since Memorial Day.

The good news is that percent of positives is down, but that is also because they are now testing more asymptomatic patients so that was always expected (while they can turn up positive, there were no asymptomatic tests given early on). There was a spike after Memorial Day and if the correlation there is actually causation we should expect to see another.

I know that the facts don't comport with the narrative you want to embrace, but I don't think the facts have any real care for your feelings, so sorry about that.

Perspective should be included.

633 total deaths.  73% are age 60 and above.  0 deaths age 19 or younger.  There have been 6 deaths in Wisconsin age 20 to 29.  All tragic.  No one is suggesting they are not, but there are many more deaths in the state each year in those age groups for other reasons. If you look at the line chart for deaths in the state is practically flat since April 1st.  It has gone up, but some perspective is needed in what that means.

Dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/deaths.html
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 06, 2020, 09:23:16 AM
The hospitals are definitely more prepared and at least from a first responder standpoint, having experience and protocols in place has made it something we can manage better than we could 2 months ago.

The problem still remains testing and contact tracing. The best way to slow future outbreaks is to identify and stop them as soon as they happen. Without a thorough nationwide testing and tracing plan, which is virtually non-existent at this point, we are going to be chasing outbreaks for who knows how long.

What u are proposing is virtually impossible and really most likely wholly ineffective anyway.  Fine in theory, but will not ever work
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: jesmu84 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:24 AM
What u are proposing is virtually impossible and really most likely wholly ineffective anyway.  Fine in theory, but will not ever work

Source?
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: dad's couch on June 06, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
350 Million people. Test takes about 15 minutes to administer and get the results. Do the math. Or should we only test 200 million leaving 150 million people untested.? What if it takes 30 days to test 200 million people. I was tested on day one. Do I stay quarantined for the next 29 days? And then when I get out, on average 40 percent of the people I come in contact with haven't been tested.

Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 06, 2020, 10:40:14 AM
350 Million people. Test takes about 15 minutes to administer and get the results. Do the math. Or should we only test 200 million leaving 150 million people untested.? What if it takes 30 days to test 200 million people. I was tested on day one. Do I stay quarantined for the next 29 days? And then when I get out, on average 40 percent of the people I come in contact with haven't been tested.

This is non-sense.  If you want to be serious about it, it works like this.

1. Try to limit your contact through social distancing - wear a mask.
2. If you feel sick get a test. Some professions with high contact should be tested periodically on a proactive basis. Finally some areas may be sampled to test pervasiveness of spread.
3. If you test positive give the names of those you know you came in contact with to a contact tracer so they can quarantine for 14 days and potentially be tested as well.  You will likely be asked to quarantine for 11-14 days depending on whether you are symptomatic.

I have never seen anything about 29 days. Also this isn’t rocket science.  They are doing this in Kerala, India successfully so why is this ‘impossible’ here?  Are we lacking resources or will?

My guess the latter- you just don’t want to do it. 
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: brewcity77 on June 06, 2020, 10:46:39 AM
What u are proposing is virtually impossible and really most likely wholly ineffective anyway.  Fine in theory, but will not ever work

Virtually impossible? There are at least three dozen countries that have that, including Ethiopia, South Korea, Vietnam, New Zealand, Colombia, and Chile. Too bad the United States lags so far behind those countries in basic care for its citizens.
Title: Re: Patrick Ewing announces he has tested positive for COVID-19
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on June 06, 2020, 02:00:27 PM
Continued thoughts and prayers for Ewing. Again.