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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on May 17, 2020, 11:31:22 AM
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Looking forward to The Basketball Tournament. Our team has a Twitter page with current postings, but we are not listed on the Team Page for The tournament.
@GoldenEaglesTBT
https://www.thetournament.com/teams
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Why is the team not listed with the teams? Don't they get in automatically for going to the finals last year?
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I doubt this will happen.
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I thought it was mentioned somewhere that Vander was going to play on this team.
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I doubt this will happen.
Scheduled for Late July and August, so there is time for things to ease up. Attendance improved last year, especially in the region the Golden Eagles played in, but it was still not great. Most of the money comes from ESPN, so they would not take a beating by not having fans.
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Why is the team not listed with the teams? Don't they get in automatically for going to the finals last year?
They haven't been listed the past two years because they earned their place based on hosting & past performance. If they want to compete, they will definitely be in the field. They're the returning runners-up and second winningest team in TBT history.
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They haven't been listed the past two years because they earned their place based on hosting & past performance. If they want to compete, they will definitely be in the field. They're the returning runners-up and second winningest team in TBT history.
Hang a banner
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I doubt this will happen.
I agree, but not necessarily because of player safety, crowds, etc. I think promoters are going to be hard-pressed to find the money to put on events like TBT this year, and ESPN has lost so much ad revenue at this point that they'll need to make cuts somewhere. So unless this is literally the only sporting event happening in July/August, I think they'll (wisely) just bag it until 2021. That's the beauty of an alumni event - no one's losing eligibility.
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I agree, but not necessarily because of player safety, crowds, etc. I think promoters are going to be hard-pressed to find the money to put on events like TBT this year, and ESPN has lost so much ad revenue at this point that they'll need to make cuts somewhere. So unless this is literally the only sporting event happening in July/August, I think they'll (wisely) just bag it until 2021. That's the beauty of an alumni event - no one's losing eligibility.
OTOH, a friend of mine recently watched the National Cornhole Championships and stock car drivers competing in a video race. They can use programming and TBT is relatively cheap.
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and ESPN3 is showing tennis streamed from a gopro attached to a wire fence behind the baseline.
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Marquette usually posts its team pretty late into the tbt voting. Not sure why they're that, as other automatic qualifiers are already posted.
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Jayce someone needs to tell u the story of the young bull and the old bull.
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24 teams 1 location.
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24 teams 1 location.
The Golden Eagles team keeps posting social media .
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1265629719669673989
However don't see their name on the application pool yet. Maybe they are still lining up the team?
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If they have a team, they will be in the field. They don't need to get voted in. They, along with Overseas Elite and Carmen's Crew, are the TBT blue bloods. No one is leaving them out, votes or no votes.
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If they have a team, they will be in the field. They don't need to get voted in. They, along with Overseas Elite and Carmen's Crew, are the TBT blue bloods. No one is leaving them out, votes or no votes.
With all the posting the team is doing it seems like they are in the field.
Hopefully, they can put together the nucleus of the team they have had for the last few years. I think that chemistry really helps.
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Gotta see my boy diener play again
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There was a tournament update this afternoon.
24 team tournament in one location over 10 days. Must quarantine at location 14 days before tournament and if any team member tests positive the whole team is disqualified.
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There was a tournament update this afternoon.
24 team tournament in one location over 10 days. Must quarantine at location 14 days before tournament and if any team member tests positive the whole team is disqualified.
So these guys are going to stay in a hotel for 3 weeks and only one team will come away with a penny?
Count me as pessimistic this happens.
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If you look at the crap that's on sports networks lately I'd think they would be queued up to pay for the hotels in order to make this tournament happen... just so they get new TV content.
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TBT Story
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29226423/the-basketball-tournament-aided-health-safety-plan-set-late-july
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While not every league can do what TBT is trying to do, I think it's a really smart way to manage their sport. Essentially quarantine everyone and have the entire process from start to finish done in under a month. Considering most people have been quarantining for longer than that already, it should be manageable for the athletes. Having one isolated location, mass testing, and a controlled environment is the best way to proceed.
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While not every league can do what TBT is trying to do, I think it's a really smart way to manage their sport. Essentially quarantine everyone and have the entire process from start to finish done in under a month. Considering most people have been quarantining for longer than that already, it should be manageable for the athletes. Having one isolated location, mass testing, and a controlled environment is the best way to proceed.
Totally agree. All of the travel from past tournaments discouraged some players from playing. I can see more guys interested in this concept than the previous iteration.
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Looks like Luke Fischer is on the team this year
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Players on the roster so far include: Buycks, Jamil Wilson, Derrick Wilson, Mo Acker, Fischer with non Marquette guys Jarvis Williams and Elgin Cook returning.
I know Luke wanted to play last year but he has surgery and was unable to join. Will be interesting to see if anyone else is added. TBT likes to hide big player announcements. Diener is the one that I’m waiting on but he could always decide it was a crazy spring with Italy and decide to stay home.
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Players on the roster so far include: Buycks, Jamil Wilson, Derrick Wilson, Mo Acker, Fischer with non Marquette guys Jarvis Williams and Elgin Cook returning.
I know Luke wanted to play last year but he has surgery and was unable to join. Will be interesting to see if anyone else is added. TBT likes to hide big player announcements. Diener is the one that I’m waiting on but he could always decide it was a crazy spring with Italy and decide to stay home.
Matt Heldt or bust
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https://www.thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-marquette-alumni
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DJO must've come to his senses after last year.
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DJO must've come to his senses after last year.
Backcourt of Buycks Diener Acker and DJO pretty formidable
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Buycks, DJO, Cook, Jamil, and Fish is a pretty badass starting lineup.
Not even considering Rowsey coming off the bench for some scoring.
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I thought Vander and Duane Wilson were supposed to play this year?
What’s Henry doing? Last I knew he was on the knicks who clearly aren’t going to make whatever playoffs the NBA is having
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I thought Vander and Duane Wilson were supposed to play this year?
What’s Henry doing? Last I knew he was on the knicks who clearly aren’t going to make whatever playoffs the NBA is having
Can't imagine Henry would be interested in being a part of an MU affiliated team.
You're right about Duane and Vander IIRC
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Can't imagine Henry would be interested in being a part of an MU affiliated team.
You're right about Duane and Vander IIRC
I don't think Henry has any ill will regarding MU teams. He has tweeted support for MU BB team.
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I don't think Henry has any ill will regarding MU teams. He has tweeted support for MU BB team.
Really? Ok guess I was wrong my bad
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Really? Ok guess I was wrong my bad
Yes I follow him and he has posted positive stuff before specially teammates at the time
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Really? Ok guess I was wrong my bad
https://twitter.com/henryellenson13/status/1083649474759520256?s=21
https://twitter.com/henryellenson13/status/1083649214251319297?s=21
https://twitter.com/muathletics/status/1025050910349844481?s=21
Just some of examples I fund. I don't think he would be doing this if upset at MU
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I can’t imagine a guy who just retired after making $200M in salary alone (and who knows how much more in endorsements) and has made appearances on a number of TV shows as an analyst, including the NBA on TNT, would have any interest in quarantining himself for weeks to play for a chance at like $100K.
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I can’t imagine a guy who just retired after making $200M in salary alone (and who knows how much more in endorsements) and has made appearances on a number of TV shows as an analyst, including the NBA on TNT, would have any interest in quarantining himself for weeks to play for a chance at like $100K.
If he does it, it will be for love of the game. I would guess he wouldn't even take a salary, or would donate all of the winnings. I mean, Wade could guarantee the entire team the $2M win or lose, so it's not like money would be the motivator.
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I can’t imagine a guy who just retired after making $200M in salary alone (and who knows how much more in endorsements) and has made appearances on a number of TV shows as an analyst, including the NBA on TNT, would have any interest in quarantining himself for weeks to play for a chance at like $100K.
Plenty of guys who have made a lot more money than Henry come back for the competition. And even though TBT is nothing like the NBA, the competition is still pretty solid.
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Plenty of guys who have made a lot more money than Henry come back for the competition. And even though TBT is nothing like the NBA, the competition is still pretty solid.
Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Henry :D
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Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Henry :D
You’re right. I got mixed up after reading posts about Henry and DWade.
:)
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If he does it, it will be for love of the game. I would guess he wouldn't even take a salary, or would donate all of the winnings. I mean, Wade could guarantee the entire team the $2M win or lose, so it's not like money would be the motivator.
Yeah I just don’t see any appeal in quarantining myself for multiple weeks, being away from my family, etc. for really nothing more than some pickup basketball.
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Yeah I just don’t see any appeal in quarantining myself for multiple weeks, being away from my family, etc. for really nothing more than some pickup basketball.
Everyone gets moved by different things. I feel the same as you, but I've had co-workers that would make more money by retiring but keep coming in because they love what they do and who they work with. I wouldn't begrudge him either way, but it wouldn't be the most shocking thing.
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Everyone gets moved by different things.
True. If there were a football version of the TBT, Brett Favre would be the first guy to sign up.
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Would be great if Vander could play. He is a winner and this format is perfect for his slashing and get to the line style of play.
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Novak, diener and Wade reunite?
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Novak, diener and Wade reunite?
Throw in Jackson and Merritt for good measure.
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What about Davante? I think he'd be a great 6th man in this kind of format. Plus, as last year showed, it's good to have high percentage free throw shooters in the game at the end.
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Diener, Wade, Blue, Jamil, Buycks would be a winning team in this kind of format.
Vander would have to guard ISO-Joe in the final.
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What about Davante? I think he'd be a great 6th man in this kind of format. Plus, as last year showed, it's good to have high percentage free throw shooters in the game at the end.
Davate would be great. I miss that guy.
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Davate would be great. I miss that guy.
We saw Davante play a few years back when the TBT was in Peoria.
But he would be coming in from Japan, so that's quite a trip. He's a star there; maybe he doesn't really feel the need to participate.
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We saw Davante play a few years back when the TBT was in Peoria.
But he would be coming in from Japan, so that's quite a trip. He's a star there; maybe he doesn't really feel the need to participate.
Davante did well in the TBT. He has found the perfect home in Japan.
https://twitter.com/DavanteGardner_/status/962314069628805121
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I can’t imagine a guy who just retired after making $200M in salary alone (and who knows how much more in endorsements) and has made appearances on a number of TV shows as an analyst, including the NBA on TNT, would have any interest in quarantining himself for weeks to play for a chance at like $100K.
The only way Wade is playing is for a significant ownership stake in the TBT.
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Jamil Wilson has also done very well in the TBT format and glad we have him back.
The one thing our team has going for it is great team chemistry. The ball moves around well and the guys seem to get clean looks. Acker is still a very fun player to watch. Hopefully Diener is in enough shape to give some quality minutes, he really knows how to quarterback an offense with talented guys around him.
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TBT just announced the tournament is July 4-14 in Ohio. Love how they are starting up before the NBA or NHL. Will get lots of attention on ESPN.
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TBT just announced the tournament is July 4-14 in Ohio. Love how they are starting up before the NBA or NHL. Will get lots of attention on ESPN.
Yeah that's a great opportunity for visibility
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Yeah that's a great opportunity for visibility
Our recent strong performance in this tournament is sure to get a lot of attention. One of the nice things about having Luke on the team, is we now have an inside threat and that can really open things up for the all the long range bombers we have.
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The only way Wade is playing is for a significant ownership stake in the TBT.
Wade would never be playing for the money (at least the prize money), and would definitely only be in for a few games. But I have no doubt Li Ning would give him a nice check if he were to play, particularly because this event is taking place before any major pro sports kick off. I'm also sure that many teams will utilize this platform to highlight the BLM cause, especially given that they're likely not restricted in the same way they would be by the NCAA, NBA, etc.
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Bracket format will give top 8 teams a bye. No inside info but fully expect Marquette is one of those 8 teams based on prior year performance.
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Looks like Swaggy wasn't invited again.
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Looks like Swaggy wasn't invited again.
Not a good look when he’s said he wants to play and the program currently has some bad blood with his dad
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Not a good look when he’s said he wants to play and the program currently has some bad blood with his dad
Swaggy has been playing incredible well in Europe. Would be great if they could find room for him on the team.
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the team tweeted the roster isn't final yet. So I bet we see some good adds to what's already listed.
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Not a good look when he’s said he wants to play and the program currently has some bad blood with his dad
Does the TBT have anything to do with the current Marquette program?
I'm not being snide. I seriously don't know.
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Does the TBT have anything to do with the current Marquette program?
I'm not being snide. I seriously don't know.
The GM If the team has some kind of Media association with the school , MU and Wojo have been supportive .
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The GM If the team has some kind of Media association with the school , MU and Wojo have been supportive .
Thanks for the answer.
I like to think that the way a bunch of ex-MU players build a roster for a made-for-TV event won't influence the playing decisions of 16- and 17-year-old kids or their coaches.
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Does the TBT have anything to do with the current Marquette program?
I'm not being snide. I seriously don't know.
I mean it’s all one program or “family” as Wojo likes to promote.
Also, Duane tweeted something along the lines of: hometown kid gets left off the roster again with some emojis.
I’m sure it’s not that big of a deal but this could be a small step in getting tight with his dad’s AAU program again
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I mean it’s all one program or “family” as Wojo likes to promote.
Also, Duane tweeted something along the lines of: hometown kid gets left off the roster again with some emojis.
I’m sure it’s not that big of a deal but this could be a small step in getting tight with his dad’s AAU program again
Does Texas A&M have a TBT?
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Does Texas A&M have a TBT?
This year it probably wouldn't matter if they did. With only 24 teams, you'll need some serious heft just to get the invite.
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I think JJJ would perfect for this team. His ability to create steals would be very beneficial . Also He was very good at making those inside feeds to Luke.
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Who's Duane going to supplant on the team? Travis? DJO? Buycks? Three guys who all have NBA pedigree (as bad as DJO's was)
Rowsey and Acker are better shooters, So not them.
Only one I'd suggest Duane replacing is Derrick Wilson (Omg I sound like Ners)
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I’ll go out on a limb and say Wojo isn’t selecting the MU TBT team. So if Duane Wilson’s dad is going to get butthurt over Duane not being invited to the TBT team so be it.
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I also think Duane's departure from MU was a lot more amicable than some here have suggested.
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I also think Duane's departure from MU was a lot more amicable than some here have suggested.
This too.
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I also think Duane's departure from MU was a lot more amicable than some here have suggested.
Yeah he appeared on some MU podcast where he didn't seem upset at all.
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I’ll go out on a limb and say Wojo isn’t selecting the MU TBT team. So if Duane Wilson’s dad is going to get butthurt over Duane not being invited to the TBT team so be it.
Joe is the Coach
Fitz is the GM
Above them is a POBO and an Owner.
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Joe is the Coach
Fitz is the GM
Above them is a POBO and an Owner.
In other words, if they don’t win it all ... blame Wojo!
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I think if all the members of the team show up to play, we can win the tournament this year.
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I think if all the members of the team show up to play, we can win the tournament this year.
How could you think that? They only were within points of winning the tournament last year, have made deep runs every year they’ve been in it.
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Travis Officially on Board
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1271514085134340097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1271514085134340097&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fthetournament.com%2Ffront
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I think if all the members of the team show up to play, we can win the tournament this year.
Bold Herman. Bold.
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Bold Herman. Bold.
i think if we put the ball in the hoop
more than the other teams, we’ll win.
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i think if we put the ball in the hoop
more than the other teams, we’ll win.
Depends on how many more times and how many are worth 1, 2, and 3 points when the ball does go through the hoop on each side.
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i think if we put the ball in the hoop
more than the other teams, we’ll win.
If we nail the Elam ending we will win, hey
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If we nail the Elam ending we will win, hey
An Elam ending is a happy ending.
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Today is the day! ESPN analysts Seth Greenberg, Fran Fraschilla, Tim Scarborough and Chris Vosters will unveil the TBT 2020 bracket at 1:00PM EDT/ 10:00AM PDT. Watch as our guests break down the 24 teams and where they place on the bracket. The web show will feature special guest interviews and more information on what you can expect on the first live basketball event to return.
You can watch the show live on the following TBT channels:
YouTube | Twitter | Facebook
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1LyGBaPmqWEKN
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Golden Eagles are a 4 Seed.
They interviewed Travis Diener. He's had back and forth conversations with D. Wade and he felt if not for Coronavirus, D. Wade would play with the team this year. Still a 5% chance, but he does not think likely.
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So no major US team sports to compete with? TBT is the new March Madness!
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Golden Eagles are a 4 Seed.
They interviewed Travis Diener. He's had back and forth conversations with D. Wade and he felt if not for Coronavirus, D. Wade would play with the team this year. Still a 5% chance, but he does not think likely.
Shame to because who knows how much longer wade would be in good enough shape to still be "Wade" if he played
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Shame to because who knows how much longer wade would be in good enough shape to still be "Wade" if he played
Compared to the other TBT guys? 20 more years.
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I think our team is under rated. Lots of fancy names on other teams. However, what we have going for our team is literally the entire team has played together now for many years. The one new addition is Luke , he is a known commodity to most of the team, and adds the inside big man dimension we have not had. Also the diverse fire power of our lineup creates a lot of problems for the other teams. We have guys who are great at the dribble drive penetration, we have long range bombers, and we move the ball extremely well to the open guy.
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Golden Eagles are a 4 Seed.
They interviewed Travis Diener. He's had back and forth conversations with D. Wade and he felt if not for Coronavirus, D. Wade would play with the team this year. Still a 5% chance, but he does not think likely.
In this case slightly misleading.
We are the 4 seed. Every team was seeded 1-24. So we were rated 4th out of 24 and got a bye.
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Was gonna say... htf are we a 4 seed?!
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Was gonna say... htf are we a 4 seed?!
It's because we added Luke. The TBT organizers listened to your hatred of him and realized that he makes our team worse.
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Here's the bracket.
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1272957144627908613/photo/1
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In this case slightly misleading.
We are the 4 seed. Every team was seeded 1-24. So we were rated 4th out of 24 and got a bye.
Yep...so in essence the last 1 seed, if translated into March Madness lingo.
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Didn't see this mentioned earlier in the thread (sorry if it was and I missed it), but ESPN will televise all 23 games.
https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2020/06/tbt-announces-2020-site-dates-and-multi-year-television-deal-with-espn.html
TBT and ESPN announced basic details of the 2020 tournament Thursday morning in a news release that indicated the two had agreed to “a new, multi-year, multi-platform rights extension." All 23 TBT games this summer will be televised by the sports network. Games will be played in the Nationwide Arena, a multipurpose facility that hosts Columbus Blue Jackets hockey games.
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I believe the espn "networks" carried all the games last year as well.
But with multiple games occurring at the same time, many of the games were shifted to espn3, which required streaming.
I wonder if it'll be different this year as all the games will be at one location and it would be possible to televise each game on one of the espn primary on air channels.
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I believe the espn "networks" carried all the games last year as well.
But with multiple games occurring at the same time, many of the games were shifted to espn3, which required streaming.
I wonder if it'll be different this year as all the games will be at one location and it would be possible to televise each game on one of the espn primary on air channels.
And there is no other live sports on so there should be plenty of time.
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I believe the espn "networks" carried all the games last year as well.
But with multiple games occurring at the same time, many of the games were shifted to espn3, which required streaming.
I wonder if it'll be different this year as all the games will be at one location and it would be possible to televise each game on one of the espn primary on air channels.
Maybe I just have a vested interest because I have liked the concept/format since this thing started, but I really feel like this could be a ratings bonanza. People are starved for live sports.
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Not that this has any bearing on anything, but I’m curious why the team doesn’t have a more creative nickname. Most of the others seem to. It’s kind of like how the mascot is just called “the golden eagle”. Most other mascots I can think of have an actual name (Bucky, Bernie, Bango, etc).
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They were one of the first big alumni teams, I think they just went for the easy name and stuck with it. I also wonder if it's somewhat deliberate as they are the generation that has always been Golden Eagles.
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They were one of the first big alumni teams, I think they just went for the easy name and stuck with it. I also wonder if it's somewhat deliberate as they are the generation that has always been Golden Eagles.
It still bugs me that their logo is of a bald eagle, not a golden eagle.
It's like having the nickname of "The Huskies" and having a Samoyed as your logo.
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Maybe it's just a logo of an older golden eagle. Like the players.
With a bit of grey up top.
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Best Virginia, the WVU alumni team, has been removed from the field after multiple players tested positive for COVID.
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Best Virginia, the WVU alumni team, has been removed from the field after multiple players tested positive for COVID.
There's three alternate teams right?
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There's three alternate teams right?
Two, I believe. Playing for Jimmy V & D2 All-Stars.
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Well, TBT was a fun dream for a little bit guys.
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Best Virginia, the WVU alumni team, has been removed from the field after multiple players tested positive for COVID.
I wonder what procedures they have in place to deal with false positive tests. Testing that many people is going to lead to some false positives.
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If absolutely no positive tests/cases is going to be the requirement/baseline for anything to proceed/continue, then we should plan on no sports or group activities of any kind for another 6+ months.
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If absolutely no positive tests/cases is going to be the requirement/baseline for anything to proceed/continue, then we should plan on no sports or group activities of any kind for another 6+ months.
Well, it will have to be. It's a respiratory disease and highly contagious. If half the team is out 'injured' then we should look forward to nothing but exhibition games.
Hard to isolate everyone associated with the teams and their families.
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Hards - I agree. A team needs to be banned when somebody tests positive because of the close contact inherent in the sport.
To me the more interesting question once the tournament begins is whether recent opponents should be banned as well. We know that there is a lag between contracting the virus and testing positive, and opponents in a basketball game are banging into each other, falling on top of each other and breathing all over each other.
I am desperate to see team sports again, but I worry that this could fall apart quickly.
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Hards - I agree. A team needs to be banned when somebody tests positive because of the close contact inherent in the sport.
To me the more interesting question once the tournament begins is whether recent opponents should be banned as well. We know that there is a lag between contracting the virus and testing positive, and opponents in a basketball game are banging into each other, falling on top of each other and breathing all over each other.
I am desperate to see team sports again, but I worry that this could fall apart quickly.
Just play the whole thing in three days!
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If absolutely no positive tests/cases is going to be the requirement/baseline for anything to proceed/continue, then we should plan on no sports or group activities of any kind for another 6+ months.
At the NCAA level, you're 100% right. If a player or few players test positive, you certainly can't put them on the court with another team. And anyone they've been in close contact with (like all their teammates) will also need to quarantine.
If it's midseason, anyone they've played against recently will also need to quarantine for at least a few days, so any team they played against in the last week?
A couple positive tests at the big eight team MTEs could completely cripple the sport for weeks right in the heart of non-con play. Do you reschedule hundreds of games? Cancel them?
It's easier when you have pros that can be brought to one location, like the NBA at Disney or TBT, but none of that is an option for collegiate sports.
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Just noticed DJ Newbill is on Brotherly Love they could play Marquette in the quarterfinals.
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Looking forward to more of this great play from Dwight Buycks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I010TVDd8eI
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Hards - I agree. A team needs to be banned when somebody tests positive because of the close contact inherent in the sport.
To me the more interesting question once the tournament begins is whether recent opponents should be banned as well. We know that there is a lag between contracting the virus and testing positive, and opponents in a basketball game are banging into each other, falling on top of each other and breathing all over each other.
I am desperate to see team sports again, but I worry that this could fall apart quickly.
In theory there will be no recent opponents, because you immediately go home, if you lose.
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In theory there will be no recent opponents, because you immediately go home, if you lose.
I think he's asking what if a losing teams member tests positive
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Team Picture
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1276514789116821508
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Getting more glad by the day that we're on the opposite side of the bracket from Overseas Elite. They've added Joe Johnson, Jarrett Jack, & Jordan Crawford. That's a lot of NBA experience.
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Getting more glad by the day that we're on the opposite side of the bracket from Overseas Elite. They've added Joe Johnson, Jarrett Jack, & Jordan Crawford. That's a lot of NBA experience.
Oh damn, scoop campaign to get wade there?
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Oh damn, scoop campaign to get wade there?
It wouldn't shock me. They keep adding new names, maybe they know he will be there and are trying to downplay it. My main hope right now is that the Golden Eagles TBT team is going to benefit more from consistency and that Overseas Elite may be adding too many names without regard for how they fit together.
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It wouldn't shock me. They keep adding new names, maybe they know he will be there and are trying to downplay it. My main hope right now is that the Golden Eagles TBT team is going to benefit more from consistency and that Overseas Elite may be adding too many names without regard for how they fit together.
Luke gives the Golden Eagle TBT team the Big Man dimension it has not had in years past. The other teams will have to respect his inside scoring ability which should really open things up for our bevy of long range bombers to get clean looks.
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Team Picture
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1276514789116821508
I lol'd
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLTG8MBc/Screen-Shot-2020-06-27-at-1-02-49-PM.png)
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I lol'd
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Ha! Great response by Travis!
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Did vander or Juan ever consider
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I lol'd
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Yup and funny thing is that guy is always complaining about every mmubb issue
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Yup and funny thing is that guy is always complaining about every mmubb issue
He’s the worst. He’s Willie Warrior with a vocabulary
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Luke gives the Golden Eagle TBT team the Big Man dimension it has not had in years past. The other teams will have to respect his inside scoring ability which should really open things up for our bevy of long range bombers to get clean looks.
Mo Charlo is 1000x the inside presence Luke is
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Mo Charlo is 1000x the inside presence Luke is
I thoroughly enjoyed Mo Charlo last year and delighted he is on the squad again.
I seem to remember that you have not been a big of fan of Luke. Try giving it an open mind this year. He has been a very efficient offensive player for a long period of time and he has immense size the team needs (6-11 260)
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Getting more glad by the day that we're on the opposite side of the bracket from Overseas Elite. They've added Joe Johnson, Jarrett Jack, & Jordan Crawford. That's a lot of NBA experience.
Joe Johnson is still an absolute killer from the mid range and wings. He’s gonna be a problem even at his age. Jordan Crawford is 2 seasons removed from being a double digit scorer in the NBA and is a digit guy in the BBL. Big additions
Mo Charlo is 1000x the inside presence Luke is
LMAO. Gotta love when your hatred and biases come out into making you sound like a compete fool.
Mo Charlo is a nice addition, sure, but he peaked as a G League guy averaging 12-6 in a league that plays no defense about 7 years ago. He was averaging single digits in Japan his last pro seasons. He’s in his mid/late 30s now.
Luke spent a few seasons on a upper tier team at the best league in Europe, and playing in the Euroleague/EuroCup. Now he’s moved to a starting role at a pretty good team in the Bundesliga and averaging 13 and 6 against very good competition in a league where all the top 6-8 teams have a few guys with NBA experience or potential. And he’s a decade younger. Keep grinding that axe
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TBT day at MU Overload.
https://twitter.com/MUOverload (https://twitter.com/MUOverload)
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Joe Johnson is still an absolute killer from the mid range and wings. He’s gonna be a problem even at his age. Jordan Crawford is 2 seasons removed from being a double digit scorer in the NBA and is a digit guy in the BBL. Big additions
LMAO. Gotta love when your hatred and biases come out into making you sound like a compete fool.
Mo Charlo is a nice addition, sure, but he peaked as a G League guy averaging 12-6 in a league that plays no defense about 7 years ago. He was averaging single digits in Japan his last pro seasons. He’s in his mid/late 30s now.
Luke spent a few seasons on a upper tier team at the best league in Europe, and playing in the Euroleague/EuroCup. Now he’s moved to a starting role at a pretty good team in the Bundesliga and averaging 13 and 6 against very good competition in a league where all the top 6-8 teams have a few guys with NBA experience or potential. And he’s a decade younger. Keep grinding that axe
We shall see hopefully there has been an incredible transformation. Unfortunately, we dont have Matt Heldt to bring in and change the trajectory of the season. Win or go home.
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Did vander or Juan ever consider
Juan plays for the warriors
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TV Schedule is out for TBT.
Looks like we play Monday July 6 @ 9:00pm Eastern
http://thetournament.com/news/tbt-releases-2020-teams-and-bracket
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Juan plays for the warriors
Is he guaranteed a spot still?
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Methinks this is going to be incredibly heavily watched!!
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Love the offensive firepower our lineup has .
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Is he guaranteed a spot still?
I don't know specifics of the contract. However its a 3 year deal and he was averaging 20 minutes per game.
Wild to think that he somehow found his way into the NBA better then vander.
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I don't know specifics of the contract. However its a 3 year deal and he was averaging 20 minutes per game.
Wild to think that he somehow found his way into the NBA better then vander.
The remaining two years are not guaranteed. Hoping he makes the team again.
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I don't know specifics of the contract. However its a 3 year deal and he was averaging 20 minutes per game.
Wild to think that he somehow found his way into the NBA better then vander.
It helped with all the injuries the Warriors were tanking. I’m not sure he’s guaranteed to be back. I hope he does. He’s certainly put in a lot of work and improved. Plus, being able to play in his home state.
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Wasn't Chapman and the TBT twitter page both hinting at the roster not being complete yet?
Wade? Vander? Ellenson? No one?
Would be pretty lame with all the talk if they don't add a big name.
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Wasn't Chapman and the TBT twitter page both hinting at the roster not being complete yet?
Wade? Vander? Ellenson? No one?
Would be pretty lame with all the talk if they don't add a big name.
Chapman and Diener both said that Wade is out due to the virus (they thought there was a solid chance he would have played sans-rona). So maybe Vander or Henry.
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Wasn't Chapman and the TBT twitter page both hinting at the roster not being complete yet?
Wade? Vander? Ellenson? No one?
Would be pretty lame with all the talk if they don't add a big name.
I think that might have been before they added Charlo
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Cant imagine they would add a guy after practicing all week without him
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Have quarters always been just 9 minutes long? 32 minute games plus 7 points by 2s and 3s. And now the newest rule in the Elam ending are non-shooting fouls are 1 free throw and the ball back? The guy who came up with the Elam ending says it’s to find out who the best team in live ball situations is. Why? Part of basketball is and always has been getting to the free throw line. Disliked the Elam ending as it was. Hate this new part.
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He’s the worst. He’s Willie Warrior with a vocabulary
Speaking of vocabularies let us know when you develop one
And please dont tell us it was developed at MU
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Have quarters always been just 9 minutes long? 32 minute games plus 7 points by 2s and 3s. And now the newest rule in the Elam ending are non-shooting fouls are 1 free throw and the ball back? The guy who came up with the Elam ending says it’s to find out who the best team in live ball situations is. Why? Part of basketball is and always has been getting to the free throw line. Disliked the Elam ending as it was. Hate this new part.
I don't think this needed to be added to the Elam game, but I always thought the best way to get rid of the b.s. fouling at the end of games was to give the ball back to the fouled team after the free throws.
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I don't think this needed to be added to the Elam game, but I always thought the best way to get rid of the b.s. fouling at the end of games was to give the ball back to the fouled team after the free throws.
I always thought letter of the law states it's an intentional foul which means 2 FTs and the ball
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I always thought letter of the law states it's an intentional foul which means 2 FTs and the ball
But they don't call it unless it's really egregious.
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DJ Newbill is playing on Team Brotherly Love.
Passing on Newbill or Jeremy Lamb, which was Buzz's biggest mistake?
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These announcers mention every team but Marquette
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These announcers mention every team but Marquette
Fraschilla did spend some time talking about Golden Eagles, mostly DJO & Buycks as a backcourt scoring combo.
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Fraschilla did spend some time talking about Golden Eagles, mostly DJO & Buycks as a backcourt scoring combo.
yeah he brought them up for a little bit these other guys mentioned the top 3 seeds, skipped MU and went to talking about Eberlein Drive
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Regardless, I’m so excited to watch them play tomorrow
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DJ Newbill is playing on Team Brotherly Love.
Passing on Newbill or Jeremy Lamb, which was Buzz's biggest mistake?
I don’t really consider either a mistake. Lamb is by far the better player and has had a better career. I think he was going UConn so MU’s chances weren’t great. NCAA championship and NBA player.
Newbill is good but not great player. I think people are enamored by the number of points he put up for Penn state. He was the best scorer on a bad team. Never made the NCAA and wasn’t drafted and been no where near an NBA roster.
Both players in front of him on the roster in Blue and Jamil both had a cup of coffee in the NBA.
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I don’t really consider either a mistake. Lamb is by far the better player and has had a better career. I think he was going UConn so MU’s chances weren’t great. NCAA championship and NBA player.
Newbill is good but not great player. I think people are enamored by the number of points he put up for Penn state. He was the best scorer on a bad team. Never made the NCAA and wasn’t drafted and been no where near an NBA roster.
Both players in front of him on the roster in Blue and Jamil both had a cup of coffee in the NBA.
Newbill would have been better than Reggie Smith.
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DJ Newbill is playing on Team Brotherly Love.
Passing on Newbill or Jeremy Lamb, which was Buzz's biggest mistake?
I'd take Wilson over newbill. Exactly like buzz did.
We weren't going to get lamb. He went to uconn.
Lamb is by far better.
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DJ Newbill is playing on Team Brotherly Love.
Passing on Newbill or Jeremy Lamb, which was Buzz's biggest mistake?
Dunn at Providence actively said his dream school was MU and buzz didn't offer
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Why do their jerseys have what appears to be a C on them as the logo?
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Ethan Happ on skates in a tie game to end the game. Hate to see it.
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I'd take Wilson over newbill. Exactly like buzz did.
We weren't going to get lamb. He went to uconn.
Lamb is by far better.
Buzz told the story that Lamb went to an MU summer camp and ask Buzz for a scholarship. Buzz did not think he was that good.
Swing and a miss.
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Dunn at Providence actively said his dream school was MU and buzz didn't offer
Where did he say that? Just seems wild that a top 25 recruit would be begging to come and wouldn’t get offered
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Where did he say that? Just seems wild that a top 25 recruit would be begging to come and wouldn’t get offered
Ive heard the same story. Was Lamb a late riser? Could have been early in HS.
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Hopefully the elam ending starts to see more traction. The ending of games is much more enjoyable.
However the fouls leading to 1 free throw and ball back is dumb.
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Watchin' da Eagles write now on ESPN as wee type, hey?
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Purdue proving that elam is a much better end goal then the clock.
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It’s terrible.
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Where did he say that? Just seems wild that a top 25 recruit would be begging to come and wouldn’t get offered
I believe he was. I think he also had a late growth spurt too.
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Eberline Drive removed due to positive COVID test. Brotherly Love moves to likely play our Golden Eagles.
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Where did he say that? Just seems wild that a top 25 recruit would be begging to come and wouldn’t get offered
Especially when he was a Providence area kid.
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Ive heard the same story. Was Lamb a late riser? Could have been early in HS.
Lamb was a late riser, but also reportedly had a really bad showing at the Marquette camp. It was a miss, but you can only evaluate based on what you see and I've been told that what MU saw was definitely not good.
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Why do their jerseys have what appears to be a C on them as the logo?
Joe Chapman’s AAU/Development program
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Seth Greenberg gave our players high praise
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Due to Eberlein Drive’s removal, Marquette plays tomorrow at 6 Ct. on ESPN
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If I’m trailing and the other team can get to the target score the next possession I’m using all 30 seconds I have to just try to dribble right into a defender over and over to keep getting free throws and the ball.
I’m glad Dakic likes the Elam ending. This way I know I’m not crazy for hating it.
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If I’m trailing and the other team can get to the target score the next possession I’m using all 30 seconds I have to just try to dribble right into a defender over and over to keep getting free throws and the ball.
I’m glad Dakic likes the Elam ending. This way I know I’m not crazy for hating it.
Do you agree that the worst part of college basketball is the end of the game? The fouling, time outs, endless commercials. It is painful and boring to watch.
How would you fix it? That is why I'm a fan of the Elam Ending. Also, the game ends on a winning basket!
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Do you agree that the worst part of college basketball is the end of the game? The fouling, time outs, endless commercials. It is painful and boring to watch.
How would you fix it? That is why I'm a fan of the Elam Ending. Also, the game ends on a winning basket!
I find the end of Elam games even more pointless. Regardless of the style of ending, if the game is close with 4 minutes left you’ll probably have a close game at the end of the game. If the game is out of hand with 4 minutes left, you’ll probably have a boring ending to the game. Just because the team that is ahead by a ton doesn’t want to play defense because if they do they might get called for a foul and give the opponent a FT and the ball back, so the trailing team makes a couple pointless buckets doesn’t make it exciting to me. The announcers getting all excited about, “hey, if (trailing team) gets 2 stops and hits 2 3s this is a game!” When they go on an 8-2 run to cut it to 11 with the leading team needing a single free throw to win the game does absolutely nothing for me.
From what I’ve watched, close games have turned into hack fests down the stretch because you only have 8 points to play with rather than a certain amount of time, and blowouts turn into one side jacking up 3s to try to end the game quickly and on the other end not playing defense to avoid a “flagrant” foul. I mean, last night someone got called for over the back on an offensive rebound attempt and the rebounding team got a free throw and the ball. Boring!
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Do you agree that the worst part of college basketball is the end of the game? The fouling, time outs, endless commercials. It is painful and boring to watch.
How would you fix it? That is why I'm a fan of the Elam Ending. Also, the game ends on a winning basket!
Sometimes it is. Especially in those games that are close but not that close. But that's just a sports problem. Football has endless running plays to kill clock. Soccer has players kicking it around the back in a possession game. And an Elam Ending can be just as dull if the game isn't close.
I enjoy it, it's a nice novelty, but I'm not sure I'd want it in all basketball because I like overtime, I like the drama of the clock running down and buzzer-beaters, and that's all lost in Elam. It's good for this environment, but I'm not convinced it's best for everything else.
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Ideas:
**Give the team that is fouled and in the bonus the option of taking out the ball rather than shooting free throws.
**Get rid of the one-and-one entirely. Two free throws from seven on. This makes fouling more punitive. NBA does it this way.
**Shorten the play clock to 25 seconds the first time it is reset under two minutes of a half.
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I like the Elam ending for tournaments and unique events like TBT. 99% of basketball is played without a clock, to a fixed score, so it brings the playground element back. Want to see more strategy at the end?... make it win by 2. I don't like the new foul rules, but last year did get physical at the end. It will take time to find the right balance.
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Where did he say that? Just seems wild that a top 25 recruit would be begging to come and wouldn’t get offered
Can't find it but I do remember it was all over on here when he was still being recruited
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Newbill would have been better than Reggie Smith.
I agree; however; that wasn't the option. Reggie was a point guard while DJ would have played 2 or 3. He only played PG at Penn State out of necessity due to an injury.
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I agree; however; that wasn't the option. Reggie was a point guard while DJ would have played 2 or 3. He only played PG at Penn State out of necessity due to an injury.
It wasn’t the option but most definitely could have been one.
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I like the Elam ending for tournaments and unique events like TBT. 99% of basketball is played without a clock, to a fixed score, so it brings the playground element back. Want to see more strategy at the end?... make it win by 2. I don't like the new foul rules, but last year did get physical at the end. It will take time to find the right balance.
Exactly same idea. Elam is a more natural transition then the clock. Win by 3 would be better then 2.
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Exactly same idea. Elam is a more natural transition then the clock. Win by 3 would be better then 2.
“More of a natural transition than the clock?” What does that even mean?
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“More of a natural transition than the clock?” What does that even mean?
A vast majority of all basketball games played are to a certain point threshold. The elam ending is a better transition to the official game then a straight clock burnout.
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A vast majority of all basketball games played are to a certain point threshold. The elam ending is a better transition to the official game then a straight clock burnout.
Are we using the number of pickup games in the world vastly outnumber the number of organized games? Seems to be an odd justification. Let’s play 90% of the game with a clock, but the last 10% won’t be since that’s what most pickup games are.
I’m starting to wonder if Covid will eliminate more TBT teams than being beaten in a game.
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Are we using the number of pickup games in the world vastly outnumber the number of organized games? Seems to be an odd justification. Let’s play 90% of the game with a clock, but the last 10% won’t be since that’s what most pickup games are.
I’m starting to wonder if Covid will eliminate more TBT teams than being beaten in a game.
Yeah every single game in the history of the sport that means something has been played in a certain amount of time.
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If I’m trailing and the other team can get to the target score the next possession I’m using all 30 seconds I have to just try to dribble right into a defender over and over to keep getting free throws and the ball.
I’m glad Dakic likes the Elam ending. This way I know I’m not crazy for hating it.
I like it, but I would not want it for regular college basketball games.
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A vast majority of all basketball games played are to a certain point threshold. The elam ending is a better transition to the official game then a straight clock burnout.
So we are including pick up games? 🙄🙄🙄. 90% of basketball has call your own fouls too. I guess we should get rid of refs.
Every level of organized play includes a clock. Youth, high school, AAU, college, NBA. Hell I’ve played in adult pick up leagues with a running clock.
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Newbill would have been better than Reggie Smith.
I cannot prove it, but I always believed the problem arose when Reggie Smith became eligible. I had the impression that Buzz thought Reggie Smith would not qualify. When Reggie, who had already signed, became eligible Buzz no longer had a scholarship available for both Wilson and Newbill. I am not sure why Newbill had not sent in the necessary signed documents, but it allowed him to become the odd man out. The unfortunate part of it was that Smith transferred out before the season was completed.
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I cannot prove it, but I always believed the problem arose when Reggie Smith became eligible. I had the impression that Buzz thought Reggie Smith would not qualify. When Reggie, who had already signed, became eligible Buzz no longer had a scholarship available for both Wilson and Newbill. I am not sure why Newbill had not sent in the necessary signed documents, but it allowed him to become the odd man out. The unfortunate part of it was that Smith transferred out before the season was completed.
not quite the way things went down.
I'm happy that now we're not signing kids with the "maybe they'll get eligible, maybe they won't" philosophy.
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My recall was that Newbill's spot came from another player they thought was going prep, but he decided to come right away, which meant there was no room. Could be wrong.
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MU -8 tonight.
I needed to bet on a sport. It’s been too long.
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Newbill was the easiest to cut when Jamil wanted to transfer. He had not been admitted to the University yet. No more. No less.
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MU -8 tonight.
I needed to bet on a sport. It’s been too long.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
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MU -8 tonight.
I needed to bet on a sport. It’s been too long.
There's soccer to bet on daily! Slacker.
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Looks like we were moved from the 8:00pm game to the 6:00pm game because a team droped out because of Covid.
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Acker, Cook, Jamil, Buycks, and Derrick Wilson starters
Yuck.
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Derrick Wilson starting over DJO/Diener/Rowsey
LOL
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Bizzare djo not starting over Derrick. Is he not significantly better
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I forgot how much I missed DJO.
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Jamil, DJO and Buycks are a pretty dynamite trio in this event.
Lets limit the 4 vs 5 offense and glue Derrick to the bench.
Would like a little look at Rowsey and Fish
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DJO lol
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Djo and buckys gonna have to play big minutes if this.team wants to.go.anyhere. very thin at the guard spots
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Djo and buckys gonna have to play big minutes if this.team wants to.go.anyhere. very thin at the guard spots
I am almost certain that we have no buckys on this team.
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Anybody got a streaming link?
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Lets not start DJO on the bench anymore
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Why do they have an announcer in the arena?
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Scoop completely underrating Mo.
DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if MU wins the whole thing. Goes and plays for Boogie Cousins which causes Jerel to be in down the stretch and lose us the championship. If DJO is on the team MU wins in a runaway last year.
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Djo just crazy out there. Figured luke would do a bit more for em. Weird zero rowsey.
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Djo just crazy out there. Figured luke would do a bit more for em. Weird zero rowsey.
I forgot how absolutely explosive DJO is
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I forgot how absolutely explosive DJO is
Rowsey was pretty bad last year. Mo was much better.
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More bad offense to start a half.
Derrick to the bench. Lets see how it goes now.
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So is Joe Chapman playing Derrick as a big FU to the administration?
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This team is really good though. If we had 1 other guard wed be pretty unstoppable.
Jamil and Buycks taking it easy so far too. Eventually those two will have moments of take over
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I do feel bad for Derrick. Dude has played his heart out in every single TBT and still gets ripped to shreds here.
But...he's just not very good...
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This team is really good though. If we had 1 other guard wed be pretty unstoppable.
Jamil and Buycks taking it easy so far too. Eventually those two will have moments of take over
One other guard...like Travis? I joined into the 2nd quarter; has he played yet?
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One other guard...like Travis? I joined into the 2nd quarter; has he played yet?
Nah he hasnt. Probably saving him for later rounds if we need a change of pace
Rowsey hasnt played either
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One other guard...like Travis? I joined into the 2nd quarter; has he played yet?
He's an old man. We apparently don't need him for this game. Let him rest.
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Can Dakich go away?
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Dakich still sucks
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Lmao dakich ain't wrong
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Dakich needs to STFU. God I hate that guy.
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Why do they have an announcer in the arena?
They don't. The announcers are in Indy. Jen Hale is the only one in Columbus, Ohio.
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Real sloppy now
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Derrick Wilson with 2 stops in a row at the basket.
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Sloppy at the rim and at the line.
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Time to sweat the -8.
And maybe the game if we keep playing like the last 5 minutes.
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FT's matta.
(safe to say that now)
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Up 8. Elam time.
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Elam blows. Just turns the entire second half into the leading team milking clock.
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Jamil
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Advance and cover
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Covered
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Thought we were going to choke at the end there. Really glad the boys pulled it out.
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Woulda stung to lose that one
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Survive, advance, lock yourself in a hotel room.
Derrick Wilson was one of our best interior defenders.
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Yeah, if the team lacked in offensive talent Derrick would be an issue. Good thing they have 4 guys who can score from all 3 levels and another couple that can shoot it from deep. Derrick brings a lot of value on a roster like that. He’s a hound on the defensive end.
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SOTG: DJO
Excellent defense by a lot of guys... Buycks, DJO, Derrick especially
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Damn I totally missed the game start time change and didn't see anything. What a bummer. Wonder if I can watch a replay or highlights anywhere?
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Damn I totally missed the game start time change and didn't see anything. What a bummer. Wonder if I can watch a replay or highlights anywhere?
If you have espn I'm sure they'll replay it. Look at apps
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They don't. The announcers are in Indy. Jen Hale is the only one in Columbus, Ohio.
You could hear the PA announcer in the arena. I asked the same question.
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Derrick Wilson starting over DJO/Diener/Rowsey
LOL
Ha, that is 3 coaches starting him at some point. So 3 coaches are wrong. If you didn't notice he was there to stop Mason, who was the heart of that offense, and he did. When it was not him it was DJO 2nd half but it took away his offense. Good coaching
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Ha, that is 3 coaches starting him at some point. So 3 coaches are wrong. If you didn't notice he was there to stop Mason, who was the heart of that offense, and he did. When it was not him it was DJO 2nd half but it took away his offense. Good coaching
Derrick isn’t the straw that stirs the drink. But he plays solid defense and doesn’t turn it over. Perfect for this event.
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Ha, that is 3 coaches starting him at some point. So 3 coaches are wrong. If you didn't notice he was there to stop Mason, who was the heart of that offense, and he did. When it was not him it was DJO 2nd half but it took away his offense. Good coaching
Everyone was on Mason.
And I didnt say Derrick shouldn't play. He shouldnt start.
We started terrible offensively both halves and started in a hole to begin the game. So yeah.
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Also I watched every college game Nate Mason ever played. Not exactly a model of consistency
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Everyone was on Mason.
And I didnt say Derrick shouldn't play. He shouldnt start.
We started terrible offensively both halves and started in a hole to begin the game. So yeah.
They won going away.
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Also I watched every college game Nate Mason ever played. Not exactly a model of consistency
TBT is not college basketball and Wilson was assigned to Mason that was obvious
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They won going away.
uhh no we didnt lol. 17 went to 2 during the Elam.
Not that it has anything to do with the point at hand anyways.
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TBT is not college basketball and Wilson was assigned to Mason that was obvious
Yet you referenced two college coaches who started Derrick Wilson........during their worst seasons as coaches at MU.
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Ha, that is 3 coaches starting him at some point. So 3 coaches are wrong. If you didn't notice he was there to stop Mason, who was the heart of that offense, and he did. When it was not him it was DJO 2nd half but it took away his offense. Good coaching
2 coaches were very wrong. Derrick is decent with this lineup. Don't be dumb. Just remember the 4v5....
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Yet you referenced two college coaches who started Derrick Wilson........during their worst seasons as coaches at MU.
You were talking about Mason's offense in college. I'm talking about coaches starting a player. But any way you're like Sand with Luke. Anyway unless there is a matchup like today I don't think he starts Friday. Just good coaching. As for the cold start I expected that, our first game and going against a team that had a huge come from behind win.
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I don’t mind Derrick, what I really don’t like is Derrick and Acker on the floor at the same time. Put in Charlo, Fisch, or DJO instead of one of those two.
Oh, and no more twin towers lineup of Charlo and Fischer please.
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Maybe i just haven't read it, but how is Charlo connected to MU? played solid minutes when he was in there today
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Maybe i just haven't read it, but how is Charlo connected to MU? played solid minutes when he was in there today
Mo Acker’s brother.
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Also I watched every college game Nate Mason ever played. Not exactly a model of consistency
Not agreeing at all with your Derrick Wilson hate, but doubling down on your point by trashing the opponent is hella funny to me. I never post but felt you deserve props for that one. Hella funny, that’s why I read scoop.
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uhh no we didnt lol. 17 went to 2 during the Elam.
Not that it has anything to do with the point at hand anyways.
We won going away. Your obsession over who started the game is dumb.
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NM
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Buycks + DJO media time
https://www.youtube.com/v/tElUoW7qzMw
MU v CP3 Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/v/fvCU7YCDiK0
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Not agreeing at all with your Derrick Wilson hate, but doubling down on your point by trashing the opponent is hella funny to me. I never post but felt you deserve props for that one. Hella funny, that’s why I read scoop.
Derrick really is a glue guy, who really defends, love his tenacity. Sets a tone on D. Offensively, he scored 19 a game in Sweden, now that is hard to believe. Knows
his game, does not force any O, reminds me of how Bill Neary did the little things in '77, lots of scorers on this team. Surprised Rowsey did not play, anybody know
why?
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We won going away. Your obsession over who started the game is dumb.
It's very important if you're in middle school. ;D
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Familiar name in Diamond Stone on Team Sideline Cancer but injured last game. Wouldn't be upset if he joined the 3 other guys from MKE to join our alumni team
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They won going away.
With the Elam ending every team wins going away.
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I liked the Elam ending, but now with every team comfortable and experienced with it, it’s started to suck. It goes into effect way too early in the 4th quarter, and those first 5 minutes because anti-basketball as teams slow down and leading teams do anything to protect a lead
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I liked the Elam ending, but now with every team comfortable and experienced with it, it’s started to suck. It goes into effect way too early in the 4th quarter, and those first 5 minutes because anti-basketball as teams slow down and leading teams do anything to protect a lead
This the numbers guy who thought he was inventing a clever way to make this sport be high energy from start to finish didn't account that people will always figure out a way to slow down and game the system.
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I liked the Elam ending, but now with every team comfortable and experienced with it, it’s started to suck. It goes into effect way too early in the 4th quarter, and those first 5 minutes because anti-basketball as teams slow down and leading teams do anything to protect a lead
Yup. This is what I said from the start. Instead of the last 2 minutes potentially being a foul fest and clock drain you make it the last 10 minutes of a game.
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Yup. This is what I said from the start. Instead of the last 2 minutes potentially being a foul fest and clock drain you make it the last 10 minutes of a game.
There’s still a shot clock. It’s not like they’re playing 4 corners at the start of the 4th quarter.
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Elam Ending has always been terrible and that’s been exacerbated by the fact that all off ball fouls are one free throw and the ball back.
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There’s still a shot clock. It’s not like they’re playing 4 corners at the start of the 4th quarter.
Did you watch the game MU played in last night? That's basically exactly what they did. Go into 4 corners, drain the shot clock, run a high pick and roll. For the entire 4th quarter. Opponent made a little meaningless run, MU was never losing that game.
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Did you watch the game MU played in last night? That's basically exactly what they did. Go into 4 corners, drain the shot clock, run a high pick and roll. For the entire 4th quarter. Opponent made a little meaningless run, MU was never losing that game.
Yes. But CP3 was forced to play defense instead of fouling. And they played good defense to make their run that did make it uncomfortable for a quick moment. They trapped for turnovers, forced tough first shots. They simply gave MU too many offensive rebounds down the stretch. Led to the 5 pt possession that put it back out of reach and the game winner.
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There’s still a shot clock. It’s not like they’re playing 4 corners at the start of the 4th quarter.
It’s a 30 second shot clock. With roughly 5 min of game time before the Elam starts. You can limit your opponent to like 6 possessions if you play it right. Just watch the pacing. The Mackey-Boehim game today got moving, got to that 42ish point per quarter pace and I think they scored 15 in the 4th before the Elam, and that’s including a 3 pt play at 3:59. It was awful. And it’s happened in most games I’ve watched unless it’s an up and down game that stays within a possession or two the whole game
All the evidence you need is that each game has went to the ending before the 3:55 mark. Teams eagle eye the clock for the final minute and foul immediately to whoever’s benefit.
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Interesting tweet from Duane Wilson:
https://twitter.com/swaggydu1/status/1280595289137713152?s=21
Pretty clear message to anyone insinuating he's supportive of the TBT team.
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Interesting tweet from Duane Wilson:
https://twitter.com/swaggydu1/status/1280595289137713152?s=21
Pretty clear message to anyone insinuating he's supportive of the TBT team.
This is the stuff HermanCain gets off to. Pretends he was on official visits, talked to former coaches of players who transferred here, or has inside info on the hate a former player has for the program and then someone has to actually address the complete BS and he gets all excited that it’s actually been heard.
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Joe Johnson is still an absolute killer from the mid range and wings. He’s gonna be a problem even at his age. Jordan Crawford is 2 seasons removed from being a double digit scorer in the NBA and is a digit guy in the BBL. Big additions
They lost DJ Kennedy, the "LeBron of the TBT" due to COVID concerns. Big loss.
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Carmen’s Crew is out after their first game. House of Paign looked real solid
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Carmen’s Crew is out after their first game. House of Paign looked real solid
Clearing out the bracket for the MU Alums!
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Clearing out the bracket for the MU Alums!
Overseas Elite still the best team.
Dauminator is awesome though.
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Elam Ending has always been terrible and that’s been exacerbated by the fact that all off ball fouls are one free throw and the ball back.
The off the ball fouls are only free throws, if the fouling team is in the bonus.
I have been taping all the games and fast forwarding to the 6 minute mark in the fourth quarter.
I did watch almost all of the Carmen Crew loss today, because I wanted them to lose. Most of the other games I do not care who wins, so watching the last 6 minutes works out well for me.
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Carmen’s Crew is out after their first game. House of Paign looked real solid
Is Brandon Paul on that team? He went to my high school and was in my brother's class. I've always thought his career paralleled Vander's, both in college and in the G-League.
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Is Brandon Paul on that team? He went to my high school and was in my brother's class. I've always thought his career paralleled Vander's, both in college and in the G-League.
Brandon Paul had a real nice season with the Spurs not too long ago.
Those Warren teams with Brandon and Darius Paul were loaded.
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Is Brandon Paul on that team? He went to my high school and was in my brother's class. I've always thought his career paralleled Vander's, both in college and in the G-League.
I think the House of 'Paign only has 3-4 guys that ended up playing with the Illini. Billy Garrett from DePaul. The PG is from Cent. Connecticut. A big is from Grand Canyon. Dahm from South Dakota State is the primary player.
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Finke started at U of I and had a brother that played there for all four years.
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Is Brandon Paul on that team? He went to my high school and was in my brother's class. I've always thought his career paralleled Vander's, both in college and in the G-League.
He played on a Team Hines. I found it interesting that a U of I alumni team was missing one of the most electric scorers from the last 7-8 years.
The difference between him and Vander is he went to a Europe and made presumably a bunch of money playing for top level teams in Spain, Turkey, Greece, and Russia. He played his career right. I love Vander, but he really didn’t.
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Carmen’s Crew is out after their first game. House of Paign looked real solid
Will the HouseOfPaign be in effect, y’all?
Anyone steppin get wrecked?
GoldenEagles gonna jump around with loaded talons
The HouseOfPaign is inneffective.
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Will the HouseOfPaign be in effect, y’all?
Anyone steppin get wrecked?
GoldenEagles gonna jump around with loaded talons
The HouseOfPaign is inneffective.
Be careful. That is getting dangerously close to infringing on UW-Madison’s exclusive patent that they are the only ones who can jump to that song at a sporting event.
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So Jamal Crawford is done now ?
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Be careful. That is getting dangerously close to infringing on UW-Madison’s exclusive patent that they are the only ones who can jump to that song at a sporting event.
Better Dead, than RED
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So Jamal Crawford is done now ?
...that’s Jordan Crawford on Overseas Elite.
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Herd that wow
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Tbt seems more balanced then ever thus year
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Tbt seems more balanced then ever thus year
Probably. With the smaller field, the organizers chose teams they were familiar with mostly. They have a good idea of who the good ones are. The newer teams have been a mixed bag. House of Paign has been good. The Tampa team that picked up a bunch of Auburn players late lost their first game, as did the team coached by Homer Drew. Of the final eight, four of them were there last year, another had to forfeit, and two more had a good run last year. The Dayton team lost a close game to the eventual champs in Columbus. Sideline Cancer lost to the Golden Eagles in the regional final, so the two of them both missed the final eight by one game and lost to the finalists.
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MU going up against Newbill today
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What time is the game? Is it on ESPN
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What time is the game? Is it on ESPN
2:00 EST on ESPN
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I believe it's on at 2pm EST/1pm CST on ESPN.
https://thetournament.com/tbt-2020-schedule
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I believe it's on at 2pm EST/1pm CST on ESPN.
https://thetournament.com/tbt-2020-schedule
Should be a good matchup. Wonder if Rowsey or Diener get any time.
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MU going up against Newbill today
The moment Newbill's been waiting for.
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Should be a good matchup. Wonder if Rowsey or Diener get any time.
Diener is doubtful with an injured calf.
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MU -2.5
Sure thing.
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Newbill will finally get his revenge on Wojo for playing mind games with him
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Nice shot Derrick
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I don’t know what dirt Derrick Wilson has on someone in the MU basketball department, but it must be really good!
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Everytime I watch Elgin Cook play, the more I wish he actually went to Marquette.
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Derrick hasn't become curry yet I see
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Can't believe the TBT SID didn't include: DJ Newbill originally committed to Marquette in the production notes
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Everytime I watch Elgin Cook play, the more I wish he actually went to Marquette.
He's fun to watch. Glad he's on TBT team at least.
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The tan man has made an appearance
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TIL Fran Fraschilla had a coaching stint at Marquette. No wonder he's always been favorable to MU.
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Tom crean lol
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Charlo with like 6 steps but I'll take it
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Can't believe the TBT SID didn't include: DJ Newbill originally committed to Marquette in the production notes
Broeker must have slipped Fran the company line.
I think Fran almost was an assistant. I don’t think ever officially.
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Who is the assistant in the black polo sitting next to Travis? Even if he is not playing, Travis cannot help himself from coaching.
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This interview is why I will always take Crean over Buzz. Crean always has nothing but great things to say about Marquette. Sure he's tooting his own horn but he's tooting Marquette's horn as well!
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Anyone have a scoring update for those of us who can't watch?
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Why rowsey guarding a 6 6 guy
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This interview is why I will always take Crean over Buzz. Crean always has nothing but great things to say about Marquette. Sure he's tooting his own horn but he's tooting Marquette's horn as well!
This, I have not heard buzz acknowledge he even coached at MU outside of inviting the best to VA Tech once.
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Why rowsey guarding a 6 6 guy
Guarding isn't the word I'd use when describing Andrew's defense
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Broeker must have slipped Fran the company line.
I think Fran almost was an assistant. I don’t think ever officially.
I am pretty sure I remember Crean trying to hire Fran for an assistant position somewhere along the line.
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Anyone have a scoring update for those of us who can't watch?
41-40 good guys at the half.
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Anyone have a scoring update for those of us who can't watch?
41-40 GE's at half. Should be bigger but we'll take it.
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This interview is why I will always take Crean over Buzz. Crean always has nothing but great things to say about Marquette. Sure he's tooting his own horn but he's tooting Marquette's horn as well!
PAGING 4EVER WARRIORS
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PAGING 4EVER WARRIORS
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41-40 GE's at half. Should be bigger but we'll take it.
41-40 good guys at the half.
Thanks!
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Buycks and DJO both in double figures at half.
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Guarding isn't the word I'd use when describing Andrew's defense
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Did we ever figure out why Vander Blue isn't on the team. He would light up this format.
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Did we ever figure out why Vander Blue isn't on the team. He would light up this format.
Just throw it on the pile of Vander's bad career decisions.
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65-49 after three. Good guys break it open and BL looks gassed.
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This team is a WAGON
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Just throw it on the pile of Vander's bad career decisions.
I mean he may not have a college degree. May have blown his chance to be etched in as one of the greatest careers in MU history, may have alienated himself from helping the alumni team play for a crap ton of money, BUT at least he's well traveled
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I mean he may not have a college degree. May have blown his chance to be etched in as one of the greatest careers in MU history, may have alienated himself from helping the alumni team play for a crap ton of money, BUT at least he's well traveled
You left out wasting his prime playing years grinding away in D-league instead of making some decent money abroad.
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You left out wasting his prime playing years grinding away in D-league instead of making some decent money abroad.
How could I forget
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Luke's been meh
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Luke's been meh
"TBT is a guards game"
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MU up 75-60
with 5:35 to go.
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Can we rebound????
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So did we cut Jake Thomas and Jerel McNeal? Or were they just not up for the bubble?
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Luke's been meh
Good D with 2 blocks
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So did we cut Jake Thomas and Jerel McNeal? Or were they just not up for the bubble?
I think Jerel may have been asked to retire...
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Good D with 2 blocks
Nice interior passing as well
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Nice interior passing as well
True
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I think Jerel may have been asked to retire...
Definitely for the best after that championship game.
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Win and a cover
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75-64 going into Elam Ending. Target 83.
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83-76 final.
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MU with the win. 83-76 Final.
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The elam ending was a bit rough but good win for the guys. Semifinal bound once again
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Nice game! ECook quiet but great job on the tip-in. Jamil was solid. Of course DJO and Buycks. I like Jarvis' hustle. Fischy is just too big and plodding to be a factor I guess.
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I repeat, DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if GE Alums win TBT. Guy decides he wants to go play for Boogie Cousins's team, sees the GE Alum go to the finals last year, and jumps right back to GE Alums. Had he stayed with GE Alum, they're looking at defending their title right now.
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This, I have not heard buzz acknowledge he even coached at MU outside of inviting the best to VA Tech once.
He probably has PTSD from having to work under the Larry Williams / Scott Pilarz regime. I wouldn't want to risk accessing those memories either.
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I repeat, DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if GE Alums win TBT. Guy decides he wants to go play for Boogie Cousins's team, sees the GE Alum go to the finals last year, and jumps right back to GE Alums. Had he stayed with GE Alum, they're looking at defending their title right now.
Let it go already 😒
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I repeat, DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if GE Alums win TBT. Guy decides he wants to go play for Boogie Cousins's team, sees the GE Alum go to the finals last year, and jumps right back to GE Alums. Had he stayed with GE Alum, they're looking at defending their title right now.
Relax. He can do whatever he wants. What a stupid take.
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I repeat, DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if GE Alums win TBT. Guy decides he wants to go play for Boogie Cousins's team, sees the GE Alum go to the finals last year, and jumps right back to GE Alums. Had he stayed with GE Alum, they're looking at defending their title right now.
We wouldn't win this year without him so he should absolutely get a cut.
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Relax. He can do whatever he wants. What a stupid take.
Very relaxed. He cost every player on the team like $200K last year (as I believe the prize money was $2M last year). The least he could do is give them each $10K of that back.
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That's really not how it works. He didn't cost them anything. He exercised his free will and decided to play for a different team.
He owes them nothing.
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It wasn't the coolest thing to do but definitely deserves money for leaving his daughter and doing this bubble thing.
Jerel "cost" the team. DJO just switched allegiances for a sec
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Let it go already 😒
This guy whined and accused arrieta of roids for 3 years. This will last at least 2.
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Wades I got your Christmas present early.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51m4qUyHK8L.jpg)
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This guy whined and accused arrieta of roids for 3 years. This will last at least 2.
Wades I got your Christmas present early.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51m4qUyHK8L.jpg)
Oh the irony...
But yeah, Arrieta juiced his ass off. And good for him. Earned himself a lot of money.
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Very relaxed. He cost every player on the team like $200K last year (as I believe the prize money was $2M last year). The least he could do is give them each $10K of that back.
You deserve at least $30k from that cut TBH
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Very relaxed. He cost every player on the team like $200K last year (as I believe the prize money was $2M last year). The least he could do is give them each $10K of that back.
Or the other guys could have played better and won.
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You deserve at least $30k from that cut TBH
I won't turn it down.
Or the other guys could have played better and won.
Could've. But because DJO decided to leave the team you had an old man in Jerel in the game down the stretch when he shouldn't have been.
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Crean sucks
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So just to be clear wades. You are completely against free agency correct?
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So just to be clear wades. You are completely against free agency correct?
Completely.
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Completely.
Weird take for someone so squarely on the players side in the MLB to do a 180 on the biggest player incentive.
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Weird take for someone so squarely on the players side in the MLB to do a 180 on the biggest player incentive.
Sheesh! People sure are uptight here. We need this vaccine bad! It's mostly a joke people! I'm ragging on DJO for being a traitor and then immediately returning. R-E-L-A-X.
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you had an old man in Jerel in the game down the stretch when he shouldn't have been.
That was on the coach, not DJO. Jerel had been terrible all game, there was no reason whatsoever for him to be in the game at crunch time. Literally anyone else on the bench would have been better.
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Luke Fischer hasn't been a big factor yet, but we'll need him if there's a 7-footer to match up against in the last 2 rounds.
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Really dominant second half.
Got a bit complacent when the Philly guys were canning prayers but that was a fun W.
And we still havent really had our guys black out yet, just for stretches. Jamil has been clutch but ok, Cook been pretty mia.
Think we are set up pretty well
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I repeat, DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if GE Alums win TBT. Guy decides he wants to go play for Boogie Cousins's team, sees the GE Alum go to the finals last year, and jumps right back to GE Alums. Had he stayed with GE Alum, they're looking at defending their title right now.
Or if they win with DJO this season, all the other players should give him a cut of the winner's share, as they showed last season they couldn't win without him.
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Luke Fischer hasn't been a big factor yet, but we'll need him if there's a 7-footer to match up against in the last 2 rounds.
Not really on offense, but D rebounding and passing he has been good.
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Really dominant second half.
Got a bit complacent when the Philly guys were canning prayers but that was a fun W.
And we still havent really had our guys black out yet, just for stretches. Jamil has been clutch but ok, Cook been pretty mia.
Think we are set up pretty well
A few people get concerned when they have big leads and win by not as much. I do not. I did not see the first game, but in this one, you could see how they were playing the Elam ending with a double-digit lead. The point is to score, not necessarily to defend, so it makes some sense to make the high risk - high reward play. A long three might miss and give the other team an easy rebound, but if it goes in, you get three points. Kicking the ball out on a break might lead to a better shot, but racing down and hitting it fast might end the game. They also missed their first two shots in Elam time, though they were pretty good ones. The winning basket was a put-back of what I thought was a hurried shot. So the other team briefly cut it to five, which does not seem like much, but it is when the leading team only has to score four to win it. And as you observe, the other team had to throw up some desperation shots that went in. Scores can be deceiving when the only point is to win as fast as possible.
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A few people get concerned when they have big leads and win by not as much. I do not. I did not see the first game, but in this one, you could see how they were playing the Elam ending with a double-digit lead. The point is to score, not necessarily to defend, so it makes some sense to make the high risk - high reward play. A long three might miss and give the other team an easy rebound, but if it goes in, you get three points. Kicking the ball out on a break might lead to a better shot, but racing down and hitting it fast might end the game. They also missed their first two shots in Elam time, though they were pretty good ones. The winning basket was a put-back of what I thought was a hurried shot. So the other team briefly cut it to five, which does not seem like much, but it is when the leading team only has to score four to win it. And as you observe, the other team had to throw up some desperation shots that went in. Scores can be deceiving when the only point is to win as fast as possible.
UJ?
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I'll never tell.
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I repeat, DJO should not get a cut of the winnings if GE Alums win TBT. Guy decides he wants to go play for Boogie Cousins's team, sees the GE Alum go to the finals last year, and jumps right back to GE Alums. Had he stayed with GE Alum, they're looking at defending their title right now.
Yeah!! Great take!! Beat this dead horse BLM. #nojusticenopeace
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Yeah!! Great take!! Beat this dead horse BLM. #nojusticenopeace
Somebody’s a triggered snowflake who didn’t keep reading.
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Somebody’s a triggered snowflake who didn’t keep reading.
Clearly.
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Maybe DJO gets himself an NBA look? He has been dynamite.
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Maybe DJO gets himself an NBA look? He has been dynamite.
It's worked for Buycks and Jamil.
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Maybe DJO gets himself an NBA look? He has been dynamite.
He’s been getting a lot of love on the telecasts.
That is, when the announcers actually remember which players are which on our team
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Have to say Sand Knit called it on Fischer. Defense was terrible. No athleticism. Was not a factor. My son was amazed at how easily he was beaten off the dribble and couldn’t finish around the rim.
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It's worked for Buycks and Jamil.
Jamil got one of the worst breaks I can remember for Marquette guy in awhile. He was on pace to get a proper deal with the Clippers when that bogus sexual misconduct claim came up. I’m pretty confident he’d still be an NBA player if that hadn’t happened.
Buycks is unfortunately on the wrong side of 30 but man he’s become such a complete guard. He was a beast in China. I hope he grabs a spot in Spain or Turkey.
DJO is hard to say given the size issue is so pronounced. But he looks GREAT
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Jamil got one of the worst breaks I can remember for Marquette guy in awhile. He was on pace to get a proper deal with the Clippers when that bogus sexual misconduct claim came up. I’m pretty confident he’d still be an NBA player if that hadn’t happened.
Buycks is unfortunately on the wrong side of 30 but man he’s become such a complete guard. He was a beast in China. I hope he grabs a spot in Spain or Turkey.
DJO is hard to say given the size issue is so pronounced. But he looks GREAT
Was Jamil's lawsuit proven to be bogus? I don't remember a follow up
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Just saw Jerel is getting married today. That may be why he’s not on the team this year. Based on his friendship with Acker, I’d have to assume he’d be on the team if not for that.
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I see we have to play Dayton next.
ABD
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Have to say Sand Knit called it on Fischer. Defense was terrible. No athleticism. Was not a factor. My son was amazed at how easily he was beaten off the dribble and couldn’t finish around the rim.
Beg to differ specially on D
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Beg to differ specially on D
Right under the basket maybe. Anything requiring lateral movement was not good. He was on ice skates.
I liked Luke at MU but the defense deficiencies are more glaring against more athletic Pros and former pros. Hoping it gets better but Chapman will not play him going forward if he doesn’t rectify it.
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Luke has had a couple nice run outs that affected three-point shooters.
Almost reminiscent of McIlvaine in '94 causing havoc for the Kentucky shooters.
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Luke has had a couple nice run outs that affected three-point shooters.
Almost reminiscent of McIlvaine in '94 causing havoc for the Kentucky shooters.
All he did yesterday was get a couple rebounds and throw the ball away.
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Somebody’s a triggered snowflake who didn’t keep reading.
To be fair, you had multiple posts defending your original ridiculous post. Only when your hypocrisy was pointed out did you suggest that your OP was “mostly a joke”. Translation: Busted.
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Right under the basket maybe. Anything requiring lateral movement was not good. He was on ice skates.
I liked Luke at MU but the defense deficiencies are more glaring against more athletic Pros and former pros. Hoping it gets better but Chapman will not play him going forward if he doesn’t rectify it.
Classic Wojo player...
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Classic Wojo player...
But, a Buzz transfer....
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But, a Buzz transfer....
And Buzz would’ve made less soft than Charmin...
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And Buzz would’ve made less soft than Charmin...
Some of the myths around here are amazing.
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Some of the myths around here are amazing.
Myth?
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Our stars DJO, Buycks and Jamil are delivering . The role players on the team are all playing well. Very enjoyable to watch these guys playing team ball.
It would be awesome if Joe Chapman could earn a coaching job somewhere .
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Our stars DJO, Buycks and Jamil are delivering . The role players on the team are all playing well. Very enjoyable to watch these guys playing team ball.
It would be awesome if Joe Chapman could earn a coaching job somewhere .
Does he want one? Wonder what kind of coin he makes with his program? I have no idea.
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Just throw it on the pile of Vander's bad career decisions.
I mean he may not have a college degree. May have blown his chance to be etched in as one of the greatest careers in MU history, may have alienated himself from helping the alumni team play for a crap ton of money, BUT at least he's well traveled
You left out wasting his prime playing years grinding away in D-league instead of making some decent money abroad.
Maybe Vander’s of the opinion that there’s more to life than earning every penny he possibly can. Maybe he valued not moving across the world to somewhere he knows nobody, knows nothing about, and can’t even communicate with most people at. Maybe he doesn’t plan on using a college degree to make money, or maybe he knows he can go back to MU at any point over the next 60 years of his life to finish the year he has left.
But maybe Scoopers know better what’s best for Vander.
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All he did yesterday was get a couple rebounds and throw the ball away.
While he did have a couple rebounds i believe he turned it over after each one, additionally gave up numerous offensive rebounds due to his lack of quickness. Listen i dont dislike the guy, just dont see his value.
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Just because I hadn't seen it mentioned, the next MU game is today July 12 @ 4pm ET...3pm CT
http://thetournament.com/news/tbt-2020-semifinals-july-12-game-previews-schedule-0
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Myth?
The idea that Buzz could toughen up a player than other coaches couldn't.
Buzz had a number of soft players. He had a number of tough players. More of a function of who he recruited and not some special gift.
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Does he want one? Wonder what kind of coin he makes with his program? I have no idea.
The announcers said he has 1500 kids enrolled in his academy. That's a lot of kids.
I talked about this a lot during last year's TBT. I can imagine a decent upper middle class life on the north shore running a youth bball academy > an upper class life spending every waking moment grinding/traveling/recruiting as a college bball coach.
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The idea that Buzz could toughen up a player than other coaches couldn't.
Buzz had a number of soft players. He had a number of tough players. More of a function of who he recruited and not some special gift.
Those who stuck around became tougher.
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Those who stuck around became tougher.
Which happens with experience regardless of who the coach is.
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Which happens with experience regardless of who the coach is.
Coaches carry certain identities. It’s certainly not a catch all panacea of all veteran players are tough.
Unless of course your Dodds explaining why a young team can’t be successful. Also relevant, if you’re Dodds then explaining why the veteran team isn’t tough and how 90% of the team is battling through extremely debilitating injuries that the common man could not possibly tolerate.
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Coaches carry certain identities. It’s certainly not a catch all panacea of all veteran players are tough.
Unless of course your Dodds explaining why a young team can’t be successful. Also relevant, if you’re Dodds then explaining why the veteran team isn’t tough and how 90% of the team is battling through extremely debilitating injuries that the common man could not possibly tolerate.
That's "very" young team, repeated ad nauseam. You forgot "tired legs" at the end of the season. Only Marquette (never our opponents) has to deal with the issues of a a very young team, injuries, and tired legs.
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Just because I hadn't seen it mentioned, the next MU game is today July 12 @ 4pm ET...3pm CT
http://thetournament.com/news/tbt-2020-semifinals-july-12-game-previews-schedule-0
Marquette Versus Dayton . Bragging Rights are at stake on this one.
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Don’t forget the Dodd’s excuse you can’t beat a team on their senior night (except when it’s Marquette’s sr night) and that Marquette shoots poorly at home because they don’t practice there regularly (except that opposing teams shoots just fine in a facility they see for the first time) and it’s hard to beat a team three times in a row, and perennially used “bad matchup” for every team Marquette plays (where is Wojo recruiting these guys of every team we play is a bad matchup?)
That's "very" young team, repeated ad nauseam. You forgot "tired legs" at the end of the season. Only Marquette (never our opponents) has to deal with the issues of a a very young team, injuries, and tired legs.
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Coaches carry certain identities. It’s certainly not a catch all panacea of all veteran players are tough.
Unless of course your Dodds explaining why a young team can’t be successful. Also relevant, if you’re Dodds then explaining why the veteran team isn’t tough and how 90% of the team is battling through extremely debilitating injuries that the common man could not possibly tolerate.
I have no idea what Dodds says nor do I care.
I just don’t think that Luke would have been any more tough with Buzz coaching him.
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Maybe Vander’s of the opinion that there’s more to life than earning every penny he possibly can. Maybe he valued not moving across the world to somewhere he knows nobody, knows nothing about, and can’t even communicate with most people at. Maybe he doesn’t plan on using a college degree to make money, or maybe he knows he can go back to MU at any point over the next 60 years of his life to finish the year he has left.
But maybe Scoopers know better what’s best for Vander.
This would be a good take if he wasn't currently playing in Kosovo, played in Italy and played in Israel. Unless you're insinuating that he speaks Italian, Hebrew, and Serbian/Albanian not to mention knows people in those countries.
Also a good hint that someone wants to cash out playing ball is when they leave a team early to you know play professionally to earn money.
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The announcers said he has 1500 kids enrolled in his academy. That's a lot of kids.
I talked about this a lot during last year's TBT. I can imagine a decent upper middle class life on the north shore running a youth bball academy > an upper class life spending every waking moment grinding/traveling/recruiting as a college bball coach.
an article on Joe from last Summer.
https://adamalbrecht.blog/2019/08/06/how-joe-chapman-went-from-professional-basketball-player-to-successful-entrepreneur/
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This would be a good take if he wasn't currently playing in Kosovo, played in Italy and played in Israel. Unless you're insinuating that he speaks Italian, Hebrew, and Serbian/Albanian not to mention knows people in those countries.
Also a good hint that someone wants to cash out playing ball is when they leave a team early to you know play professionally to earn money.
So you’re telling me his interests from the time he was 20 to the time he was 27 changed? Shocking. And how long did those stints overseas last?
I’m guessing you haven’t taken the time to read up on Vander’s professional career. He’s dealt with depression for a decent chunk of it. Maybe living by himself overseas wasn’t the best thing for him, for that reason or any other number of reasons, at the time. Maybe he now has a better handle of his mental health. Maybe he’s come to accept the NBA isn’t a real possibility anymore. Keep in mind he had 3 NBA stints, where he made good money even for the short stints.
What’s right/the best decision for you isn’t right/the best decision for everyone else. People are motivated by different things.
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So you’re telling me his interests from the time he was 20 to the time he was 27 changed? Shocking. And how long did those stints overseas last?
I’m guessing you haven’t taken the time to read up on Vander’s professional career. He’s dealt with depression for a decent chunk of it. Maybe living by himself overseas wasn’t the best thing for him, for that reason or any other number of reasons, at the time. Maybe he now has a better handle of his mental health. Maybe he’s come to accept the NBA isn’t a real possibility anymore. Keep in mind he had 3 NBA stints, where he made good money even for the short stints.
What’s right/the best decision for you isn’t right/the best decision for everyone else. People are motivated by different things.
So you posited an aggressive statement that was objectively wrong about his career. Get called out, change goal posts with different argument without admitting you were wrong.
Chico's?
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So you posited an aggressive statement that was objectively wrong about his career. Get called out, change goal posts with different argument without admitting you were wrong.
Chico's?
What are you even talking about? Objectively wrong about his career? If so, then your original sentiment was wrong and he has been moving over seas to make money. So he didn’t make a list of dumb decisions after all?
Get over yourself. You have no idea what’s a good idea for Vander. There’s more to life than chasing ever dollar. Good for Vander for realizing that.
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What are you even talking about? Objectively wrong about his career? If so, then your original sentiment was wrong and he has been moving over seas to make money. So he didn’t make a list of dumb decisions after all?
Get over yourself. You have no idea what’s a good idea for Vander. There’s more to life than chasing ever dollar. Good for Vander for realizing that.
Maybe Vander’s of the opinion that there’s more to life than earning every penny he possibly can. Maybe he valued not moving across the world to somewhere he knows nobody, knows nothing about, and can’t even communicate with most people at. Maybe he doesn’t plan on using a college degree to make money, or maybe he knows he can go back to MU at any point over the next 60 years of his life to finish the year he has left.
But maybe Scoopers know better what’s best for Vander.
Would you call the boldest objectively right given that he's played overseas for four different teams at separate times? You were wrong. When called out you went on a big rant talking about his depression. That moving goal posts.
Also I never said anything about knowing what's best for him. Reread my initial post, I simply said what he gave up and that he's well traveled.
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Somebody’s a triggered snowflake.
Projection is a very common defense mechanism.
That aside, just to reiterate, DJO DOES NOT DESERVE TO GET PART OF THE WINNINGS IF OUR TBT TEAM WINS THE TOURNAMENT THIS YEAR!!!!! LET'S TEACH HIM A LESSON. YEAH!!
#nojusticenopeace
That aside, let's hope our TBT team full of impact players from Buzz's tenure leads us to a championship.
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Would you call the boldest objectively right given that he's played overseas for four different teams at separate times? You were wrong. When called out you went on a big rant talking about his depression. That moving goal posts.
Also I never said anything about knowing what's best for him. Reread my initial post, I simply said what he gave up and that he's well traveled.
You replied to a post that claimed he had “a pile of bad career decisions” by listing a number of career decisions Vander has made. Seemed to be highlighting the “pile of bad career decisions.” But maybe you were just listing them for fun with no judgment. If so, my bad. Certainly comes off as you knowing what’s best for Vander.
And again, go read up on his “pile of bad career decisions” and let me know how long those overseas stints lasted. If anything, those seem to be the “bad career decisions” Vander has made. He doesn’t seem to enjoy it when he leaves the USA, given they've at times lasted just weeks.
I also left out this reply to warriorchick saying you left out years of his playing career being wasted grinding in the D League instead of getting paid big bucks overseas:
How could I forget
So again, seems like you know what’s best for Vander.
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You replied to a post that claimed he had “a pile of bad career decisions” by listing a number of career decisions Vander has made. Seemed to be highlighting the “pile of bad career decisions.” But maybe you were just listing them for fun with no judgment. If so, my bad. Certainly comes off as you knowing what’s best for Vander.
And again, go read up on his “pile of bad career decisions” and let me know how long those overseas stints lasted. If anything, those seem to be the “bad career decisions” Vander has made. He doesn’t seem to enjoy it when he leaves the USA, given they've at times lasted just weeks.
I also left out this reply to warriorchick saying you left out years of his playing career being wasted grinding in the D League instead of getting paid big bucks overseas:
So again, seems like you know what’s best for Vander.
I have a number of friends, coworkers, and acquaintances who have played overseas. Some loved it and have remained as long as they can, either in the same country or bouncing from country to country. Some decided after a few years they and came back to earn grad degrees or get a job (one did one year in Lithuania and then came back to get an MBA and works on Wall Street). One played three years, came back and got a job, and decided to return. Some hated it, whether it be due to culture shock, language barrier, not making any more or homesickness. Some made it a few years, some a year, one made it a month in England and now works at Google. To each their own.
Maybe it just wasn't Vander's scene. Not every location a player goes to is exciting and exotic. One NWSL player I know signed with a Russian team and lived in a compound six hours from Moscow and could only leave on group outings. I don't think any of us would want to deal with that.
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So, anybody going to watch the game?
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Cook get hurt?
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Ridiculous djo not in game for first 4 minutes. Also Elgin inuuree ?
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This would be a good take if he wasn't currently playing in Kosovo,
Fun fact, his teammate in Kosovo is Jameel McKay. Likely makes it easier. Especially for someone who has struggled with homesickness and being away from the US.
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Ridiculous djo not in game for first 4 minutes. Also Elgin inuuree ?
They have a short bench it looks like Chapman will use bench get them tired
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Ridiculous djo not in game for first 4 minutes. Also Elgin inuuree ?
There wasnt a whistle for a while. That was part of the reason
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When Derrick Wilson is left wide open hes got to shoot that kick out 3.
Luke Fischer on the other hand.....................should never shoot that 3 he took.
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If I got a dollar every time this play by play guy talked about the wrong player on our team through this tournament. Id have more money then every player on the winning team of this tourney.
My god its bad.
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When Derrick Wilson is left wide open hes got to shoot that kick out 3.
Luke Fischer on the other hand.....................should never shoot that 3 he took.
What evidence suggests derrick is a better shooter ;D
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If I got a dollar every time this play by play guy talked about the wrong player on our team through this tournament. Id have more money then every player on the winning team of this tourney.
My god its bad.
While its certainly not the level of NBA or NCAA broadcasts, I'm actually always impressed with the TBT play by play. These are players that almost universally have not played domestically for years, and many of whom didn't play high level competition even when they did. And yet there are anecdotes and like a 90% hit rate on all the calls. For a tournament that only comes around for a couple weeks once a year, that's pretty good in my book.
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As good as DJO can be, his lack of height combined with his super sloppy dribbling is definitely why hes not in the league
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While its certainly not the level of NBA or NCAA broadcasts, I'm actually always impressed with the TBT play by play. These are players that almost universally have not played domestically for years, and many of whom didn't play high level competition even when they did. And yet there are anecdotes and like a 90% hit rate on all the calls. For a tournament that only comes around for a couple weeks once a year, that's pretty good in my book.
Hasnt been 90% with our team though.
Last game DJO hit a shot. He legit said it was Derrick Wilson. Proceeded to talk about Derrick being a former NBA player and talked about other Alaskan NBA players, lol
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Who is the assistant coach sitting next to Chapman? Looks familiar but I can’t figure it out.
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Who is the assistant coach sitting next to Chapman? Looks familiar but I can’t figure it out.
Ditto. Been wondering all tournament.
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Looks like they're calling everything this half
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Overall our FG% is still really solid today but we are missing a lot of easier looks thus far.
Layup and open 3s.
Hopefully they start to fall and we get some seperation
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What evidence suggests derrick is a better shooter ;D
Right there! Haha
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Right there! Haha
I can’t believe he is getting 20 per game in Sweden
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Big 4th foul on Jamil
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We are getting tagged with a foul every time down the floor
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Getting a bad whistle today
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We are biffing layups meanwhile Oliver is hitting circus shots every time he shoots
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Luke is pretty damn bad.
Gonna need Jamil to stop picking up fouls
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Some bush league tactics by Dayton. Asking them to check the review in the middle of DJO;s free throws.
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I assume 5 fouls and you're disqualified. Very risky Jamil being out there now.
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I assume 5 fouls and you're disqualified. Very risky Jamil being out there now.
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Thanks
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Landers is a tool
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Jamil!!
He came up huge
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MU with the win.
79-70
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Jamil took over the elam ending to win it for them. Love that man
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I just figured it out, Trey Landers is just a wanna be Tyreke Evans.
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Jamil is lethal from the corner.
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Dare I say it, this team is more enjoyable to watch than this past season's MUBB college team.
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Hasnt been 90% with our team though.
Last game DJO hit a shot. He legit said it was Derrick Wilson. Proceeded to talk about Derrick being a former NBA player and talked about other Alaskan NBA players, lol
Dude, they’re not at the game - they doing play-by-play from a TV screen.
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Jamil is a clutch player. One more to go.
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Landers is a tool
No he’s not and Dayton is not playing dirty.
Just quit being a victim.
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Great to see Travis on the floor at the end with DJO, Jamil, and Dwight.
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Dude, they’re not at the game - they doing play-by-play from a TV screen.
Dude, what in gods name does that have to do with mixing up the fact that Derrick Wilson is not an alaskan born NBA player.
Also on tv its impossible to know that Derrick wears a damn t shirt with his jersey?????
Dude.
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Dude, what in gods name does that have to do with mixing up the fact that Derrick Wilson is not an alaskan born NBA player.
Also on tv its impossible to know that Derrick wears a damn t shirt with his jersey?????
Dude.
Sports fans complaining about broadcasters is in the same realm as newsies calling meteorologists idiots.
Lowest common denominator...
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Some people exaggerate when they say that your team could be playing for the title and fans would still find something to complain about. Us Scoopers have the actual evidence. Back to back Championship game appearances and the thread is still half bickering.
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I made the mistake of posting something positive yesterday before being reminded that this is a place that only allows griping and bitching about all things Marquette Basketball.
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Dare I say it, this team is more enjoyable to watch than this past season's MUBB college team.
Just wait till Wojo gets his players in and can start to rebuild.
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Are there Vegas lines on these games? If I stood win win, say, $100,000 if my team won but 0 if they lost I think at least a small hedge would be in order.
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Are there Vegas lines on these games? If I stood win win, say, $100,000 if my team won but 0 if they lost I think at least a small hedge would be in order.
There are, but I'm not sure if there have been any ML odds. We've been favored by 7, 4 and 2 thus far. Three covers.
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Great to see Travis on the floor at the end with DJO, Jamil, and Dwight.
With the Elam ending, he is likely always to be in at the end. He has ended at least three games I can think of offhand and probably more. When you need to get eight points, having a guy who can get three of them in a flash is something you cannot pass up.
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There are, but I'm not sure if there have been any ML odds. We've been favored by 7, 4 and 2 thus far. Three covers.
Well if no money line it’s only a good hedge if we’re either favored or a pick ‘em.
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Wow!!
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Overseas Elite suffered from the same thing MU did the last few years--trying to run everything through one person on every play.
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Sports fans complaining about broadcasters is in the same realm as newsies calling meteorologists idiots.
Lowest common denominator...
Whats the common denominator for complaining about someone "complaining"
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Down goes Iso Joe!
Perimeter battle on Tuesday. Put length on Keene and I really like MU’s chances
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Well, we got the "easier" match up Tuesday. But this Sideline team is really bringing it. Keene gonna be real tough.
Definitely gonna have to play really well to win this. Jamil is usually a really tough match up in this tourney, I think that will again be the case Tuesday.
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With the Elam ending, he is likely always to be in at the end. He has ended at least three games I can think of offhand and probably more. When you need to get eight points, having a guy who can get three of them in a flash is something you cannot pass up.
You're right to a point, Goat. I just love having him on the floor with shooters like those other 3 because he always knows where to pass the ball to.
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The announcers were saying Travis had a bad calf, i dont know if that was truly the case of if he was using the time to get into better playing shape and/or saving himself. But if hes playing at at his level he can be a huge asset as we all know
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Overseas Elite added Johnson, but overall was a weaker team than in the past. And it showed with how much they relied on one guy. Of the “Big 4” teams, I would argue Marquette was the only one who got better compared to last year. I think they got the bad shooting game out of their system today. Really excited for Tuesday. I bet they are -5 or so.
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I made the mistake of posting something positive yesterday before being reminded that this is a place that only allows griping and bitching about all things Marquette Basketball.
I have pretty much given on on basketball discussions on the board here. Some guys just can't enjoy that these guys are out there giving it their all.
The refs didn't job us, the other team wasn't dirty, we all know Derrick is a terrible offensive player, blah, blah, blah. I'm sick of the same few people trying to destroy this board for the hundreds of others who come here. They do it during the regular season and they are trying to do it now. I, for one, have finally resolved to never respond to these few joy suckers and I would encourage others to do the same.
Maybe they will go away. Maybe we can then get back to honest give and take about both the good and the bad happenings that are MU basketball.
I'm just enjoying seeing these guys out there playing so hard and well. Win or lose on Tuesday, they have been fun to watch.
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Overseas Elite added Johnson, but overall was a weaker team than in the past. And it showed with how much they relied on one guy. Of the “Big 4” teams, I would argue Marquette was the only one who got better compared to last year. I think they got the bad shooting game out of their system today. Really excited for Tuesday. I bet they are -5 or so.
I thought right from the start that should have been the favorite. They may possibly have 3 of the top 10-12 players in the TBT.
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I just love having him on the floor with shooters like those other 3 because he always knows where to pass the ball to.
Totally. Its incredible to me to watch the presence he commands on the floor, given how overmatched he is physically and speed-wise at this point. But he just seems so in control of the proceedings when he's out there, and it feels like everyone is kind of cognizant of where he is. Its a blast to watch.
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Overseas Elite added Johnson, but overall was a weaker team than in the past. And it showed with how much they relied on one guy. Of the “Big 4” teams, I would argue Marquette was the only one who got better compared to last year. I think they got the bad shooting game out of their system today. Really excited for Tuesday. I bet they are -5 or so.
The fact we were seeded behind Cuse was definitely the head scratcher.
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Devendorf sucks
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You're right to a point, Goat. I just love having him on the floor with shooters like those other 3 because he always knows where to pass the ball to.
His under the basket inbound to a cutting Jamil is a perfect example of what Travis brings in that respect. Looks like a fairly basic play but the timing, touch, and location on the pass made it so Jamil didn't have to waste a single millisecond gathering himself or altering his trajectory to the basket and it was a guaranteed 2 points. Love that guy.
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His under the basket inbound to a cutting Jamil is a perfect example of what Travis brings in that respect. Looks like a fairly basic play but the timing, touch, and location on the pass made it so Jamil didn't have to waste a single millisecond gathering himself or altering his trajectory to the basket and it was a guaranteed 2 points. Love that guy.
On the game winner, Travis had a great pick to ensure an open shot for Wilson.
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Whats the common denominator for complaining about someone "complaining"
Just making a comment - No complaints from me.
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Totally. Its incredible to me to watch the presence he commands on the floor, given how overmatched he is physically and speed-wise at this point. But he just seems so in control of the proceedings when he's out there, and it feels like everyone is kind of cognizant of where he is. Its a blast to watch.
I think even in his prime Diener was overmatched physically. Never very athletic but a basketball genius and deadeye shooter. He’s only refined those. That calf hobbling him makes him look even older and slower out there than he actually is.
But he’s just so EFFICIENT. No wasted dribbles, or passes, or shots cause he’s always set in his spot. I watched a video recently of Mike Miller, stiff and slow with a bad back, absolutely COOK one of his players at Memphis with craftiness and efficiency of movement. Watching Diener is the same vibe. They talk about the game slowing down for young ballers...it moves at a glacial speed for #34
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2021 Marquette Basketball Head Coach: Travis Diener
How good does that sound? Guaranteed less than 6 years to 1 win in NCAA tourney.
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You're right to a point, Goat. I just love having him on the floor with shooters like those other 3 because he always knows where to pass the ball to.
That and he has to be face guarded 30 feet from the hoop. That can open doors for the other guys.
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2021 Marquette Basketball Head Coach: Travis Diener
How good does that sound? Guaranteed less than 6 years to 1 win in NCAA tourney.
It will never happen.
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Overseas Elite added Johnson, but overall was a weaker team than in the past. And it showed with how much they relied on one guy. Of the “Big 4” teams, I would argue Marquette was the only one who got better compared to last year. I think they got the bad shooting game out of their system today. Really excited for Tuesday. I bet they are -5 or so.
OE does seem to be a weaker team than in years past, but I looked at the records today and they have not been quite as dominating as they seemed. They won their fourth championship by a lot after blowing out our team in the semis, but they won the first three championship games by two and three points. Usually they have been a bunch of guys who got together just before the tournament and did not even practice together. They just had enough talent to get away with getting to know each other in the early rounds.
If what you mean by the Big 4 is the top seeds, you may be right. Of the final four, Dayton was surely better than last year. Last year they lost in the regional finals at Columbus to Carmen's Crew in a close game. This year, they dominated the team that beat Carmen's Crew. They had a couple players from their university team this year. Sideline Cancer clearly has their best team ever. It will be a good game Tuesday.
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Best asset we have for Tuesday night is none other than Derrick Wilson. Has the athleticism needed to slow down Keene.
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It will never happen.
As an absolute diener lover I'm saving this post in case it ever does happen.
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Best asset we have for Tuesday night is none other than Derrick Wilson. Has the athleticism needed to slow down Keene.
Ben Snider of the Anonymous Eagle Podcast summed up Derrick perfectly:
He’s insanely good at the things that aren’t immediate requirements of being a good basketball player in order to make up for him being bad at the things that are
He brings so much value to this team in terms of defense, hustle, and the willingness to defer. Knows his role and plays it perfectly. Epitome of a team-first guy. It's clear why he's started for Buzz, Wojo, and Chapman.
https://twitter.com/bensnider94/status/1282428644762230784?s=21
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Watching TBT has been awesome and the job Joe Chapman has done over the last couple of years is really great. Can't give him enough credit for pulling good talent together and then making the most of it. In-game adjustments are great too.
Diener's game right now, reminds me of old man golf.....hit the ball straight for fairways and greens and don't worry about the distance.
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Ben Snider of the Anonymous Eagle Podcast summed up Derrick perfectly:
He brings so much value to this team in terms of defense, hustle, and the willingness to defer. Knows his role and plays it perfectly. Epitome of a team-first guy. It's clear why he's started for Buzz, Wojo, and Chapman.
https://twitter.com/bensnider94/status/1282428644762230784?s=21
Always has.
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As an absolute diener lover I'm saving this post in case it ever does happen.
I think chick is right. Diener doesn't seem like the guy to grind grind grind on the recruiting trail.
But, that's just like my opinion, man.
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Look, I am not a Derrick basher by any means, but the biggest reason he started for Buzz and Wojo is because there were no better options. I mean he started over John Dawson and a freshman Duane Wilson.
In the last 19 seasons, Marquette has failed to make the post season three times. Two of those seasons was with Derrick as the starting PG. I don't disagree with AE's assessment, but let's not act like the choice of him as a PG was out of a position of strength. In fact, this tournament shows what his role should have been at MU. And that's not a 30+ mpg guy like he was his last two years at MU.
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Random TBT question; I thought I saw Jamal Crawford’s name on here as someone in the tourney. Was he on a team?
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Random TBT question; I thought I saw Jamal Crawford’s name on here as someone in the tourney. Was he on a team?
He was signed by the Nets before the tournament started.
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Random TBT question; I thought I saw Jamal Crawford’s name on here as someone in the tourney. Was he on a team?
Jamal Crawford, the 20-year NBA vet, will be playing with the Nets in the NBA restart.
Jordan Crawford, played at Indiana and Xavier, was on the Overseas Elite TBT team.
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Jamal Crawford, the 20-year NBA vet, will be playing with the Nets in the NBA restart.
Jordan Crawford, played at Indiana and Xavier, was on the Overseas Elite TBT team.
Chris Crawford is probably available though. He can share an oxygen tank with Travis after every three minute stint.
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Look, I am not a Derrick basher by any means, but the biggest reason he started for Buzz and Wojo is because there were no better options. I mean he started over John Dawson and a freshman Duane Wilson.
In the last 19 seasons, Marquette has failed to make the post season three times. Two of those seasons was with Derrick as the starting PG. I don't disagree with AE's assessment, but let's not act like the choice of him as a PG was out of a position of strength. In fact, this tournament shows what his role should have been at MU. And that's not a 30+ mpg guy like he was his last two years at MU.
The problems with Derrick at Marquette were always more with the cast around him. You need those kinds of players, but you also need the stars to play those roles. The closest Derrick had were Jamil, Gardner, and Carlino, none of whom were NBA ready.
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The problems with Derrick at Marquette were always more with the cast around him. You need those kinds of players, but you also need the stars to play those roles. The closest Derrick had were Jamil, Gardner, and Carlino, none of whom were NBA ready.
Agree, Derrick was one of the 5 best players on the team, not his fault.
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Favorite part of the last two tbts has been diener using his fouls to get out of the game faster.
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As an absolute diener lover I'm saving this post in case it ever does happen.
Save away. Chick is 100% correct. Bank it.
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Derrick Wilson's "issues" at MU were never really his fault. He has a very specific set of skills which you can build around (MU didn't) or can serve as a high value 6th man (didn't have enough talent to do that). What Derrick does is elite and what he doesn't do he's bad at.
Joe is using Derrick correctly and has the talent around him to maximize the teams outcomes.
And there is a reason Travis left MU to go back to Italy, one was money the other was he isn't a grinder in the coaching sense. He might be good at it but that doesn't mean he wants it.
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If MU wins the TBT, can we safely say it's the biggest Marquette win of the Wojo era?
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Best asset we have for Tuesday night is none other than Derrick Wilson. Has the athleticism needed to slow down Keene.
He may play about 10 minutes. Jamil may be our best asset, Buycks may be our best asset, DJO may be our best asset. Derrick will not be.
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Derrick's defense has been pretty to watch. His fitness, his hustle, his intelligence on D all show up well in this type of competition. On offense, he's being used appropriately - which is to screen and rebound.
He was a victim of circumstance at MU, but I admire him for making a living at professional basketball for 4 years now having started that with a very limited offensive skill set. And - based on his international stats - he's getting better each year.
I was hoping to see him guard iso-Joe.
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Derrick's defense has been pretty to watch. His fitness, his hustle, his intelligence on D all show up well in this type of competition. On offense, he's being used appropriately - which is to screen and rebound.
He was a victim of circumstance at MU, but I admire him for making a living at professional basketball for 4 years now having started that with a very limited offensive skill set. And - based on his international stats - he's getting better each year.
I was hoping to see him guard iso-Joe.
One of his best games at MU was taking the place of Junior when he was suspended in Madison. Wilson’s main job was to harass Taylor all over the court while others generated offense.
As others have said, if he was a 7th man that came in to play 15 minutes of tough defense, he’d be looked at much differently.
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Also, don't forget Derrick's big time dunks.
https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1278735022170791936?s=20
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Derrick will be be a key help in hopefully slowing up Keene.
But the biggest key imo is Jamil. There is rarely a team with guys that can match up with him effectively in this tournament and tomorrow is no different. If hes aggressive and feeling it I really love our odds of finally bringing home the title.
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One of his best games at MU was taking the place of Junior when he was suspended in Madison. Wilson’s main job was to harass Taylor all over the court while others generated offense.
As others have said, if he was a 7th man that came in to play 15 minutes of tough defense, he’d be looked at much differently.
Which is what he did his first 2 seasons before being thrust into the starting PG role out of necessity. Ultimate role player.
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Favorite part of the last two tbts has been diener using his fouls to get out of the game faster.
Yup, dude was gassed after only a few minutes. I would make fun of his beer belly, but at the same time, he's 38 years old and still playing basketball at a high level. I am in no place to judge when my two primary sports these days are golf and 16" softball.
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Yup, dude was gassed after only a few minutes. I would make fun of his beer belly, but at the same time, he's 38 years old and still playing basketball at a high level. I am in no place to judge when my two primary sports these days are golf and 16" softball.
Since when does that matter on scoop????
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Save away. Chick is 100% correct. Bank it.
OTOH, if Travis could bring six pack in a cooler and drink it during the game a la Walter Matthau in Bad News Bears, then there is a chance.
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It says Diamond Stone is on the roster for Sideline Cancer, but I don't remember him on the floor at all against OE. Is he on the team?
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He played in the first round, when I was really rooting for Sideline to beat Team Hines because TH bitched so much about not being seeded higher in the TBT. Don't know why he didn't play yesterday.
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He played in the first round, when I was really rooting for Sideline to beat Team Hines because TH bitched so much about not being seeded higher in the TBT. Don't know why he didn't play yesterday.
They did? Was this a twitter thing or?
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Also, don't forget Derrick's big time dunks.
https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1278735022170791936?s=20
I can honestly say in my 30ish years of MU fanship, that dunk was in the top 5 most astonished I’ve been during a MU play, up there with a few things Wade did.
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He was signed by the Nets before the tournament started.
Gotcha thanks for the info.
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Stone played in the opener against the Team Hines guys, matching up against Ethan Happ.
Stone had a good game with 19 points, 6 boards and a couple blocks. A surprising 3 of 10 from three.
He left near the end of that game, hasn't played during the next two games, from what I've read is an injured achilles.
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Out of curiosity does the winner host the tournament if they're connected with a location or is it just coincidence that Ohio St Alumni won and it was going to be played in Columbus?
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Derrick Wilson's "issues" at MU were never really his fault. He has a very specific set of skills which you can build around (MU didn't) or can serve as a high value 6th man (didn't have enough talent to do that). What Derrick does is elite and what he doesn't do he's bad at.
Joe is using Derrick correctly and has the talent around him to maximize the teams outcomes.
And there is a reason Travis left MU to go back to Italy, one was money the other was he isn't a grinder in the coaching sense. He might be good at it but that doesn't mean he wants it.
Dont necessarily agree with that, Travis himself stated that he felt he had a few years of playing left in the tank and wanted to take advantage of them before they were gone.
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Dont necessarily agree with that, Travis himself stated that he felt he had a few years of playing left in the tank and wanted to take advantage of them before they were gone.
Other people know more than you on this issue.
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Also, don't forget Derrick's big time dunks.
https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1278735022170791936?s=20
Glad they didnt show the ensuing FT 😳
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Out of curiosity does the winner host the tournament if they're connected with a location or is it just coincidence that Ohio St Alumni won and it was going to be played in Columbus?
I think it was just a coincidence
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Tomorrow's game is a no win situation. If we lose, we suck. If we win, we are against a cure for cancer.
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They did? Was this a twitter thing or?
Team Hines said something in a couple interviews, and the announcers discussed it repeatedly before and during their game. I haven't followed anything on Twitter.
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Tomorrow's game is a no win situation. If we lose, we suck. If we win, we are against a cure for cancer.
Good use of teal, Chili, but undoubtedly the Golden Eagles could go a long way toward good will by donating 10% of their winnings to Sideline Cancer's causes.
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I think chick is right. Diener doesn't seem like the guy to grind grind grind on the recruiting trail.
But, that's just like my opinion, man.
Not only does he not seem like the guy, I believe he has explicitly said that he does not like the recruiting aspect of coaching.
The guy has plenty of money and has three young kids. Why would someone like that take on a stressful, 100-hour per week job that he is not absolutely passionate about?
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Dude, what in gods name does that have to do with mixing up the fact that Derrick Wilson is not an alaskan born NBA player.
Also on tv its impossible to know that Derrick wears a damn t shirt with his jersey?????
Dude.
I believe he was living in Alaska and played high school ball in Alaska. It does not matter where he was originally from. The 2013-2014 Marquette Media Guide lists him being from Anchorage, Alaska.
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He played four years at the school in New England. He is "from Alaska" because that is where his parents were living while Derrick was at Marquette. They were stationed in the Army there. Which is also why he was born in Germany.
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He played four years at the school in New England. He is "from Alaska" because that is where his parents were living while Derrick was at Marquette. They were stationed in the Army there. Which is also why he was born in Germany.
He played at The Hotchkiss School in Lakeville, CT.
I've mentioned here before, my Orthopedist saw me with a Marquette shirt on during a visit. He said he knew Derrick as he was affiliated with The Hotchkiss School himself. (I can't remember if his kids went there or if his medical group covered the athlete's there.) He said Derrick was a great kid and was one of the best football players he ever saw, but Derrick loved playing basketball way more.
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why isn't Andrew Rowsey playing? sorry if discussed already but last i read he was playing really well in G-League
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why isn't Andrew Rowsey playing? sorry if discussed already but last i read he was playing really well in G-League
He remains a defensive liability. Their last opponent had a lot of length as well, so his size was working against him. He's gotten a little run in earlier rounds. He buried an open 3 and handled the ball at the 1 (obviously his role), but got blown by with some regularity at the point of attack on the defensive side of the court, which is probably why he hasn't gotten more PT.
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i'm not sure he is any more of a liability than Acker and he can stretch the floor and make deep 3s last night the offense was a bit stagnant at times so he could come in to give a spark and fee up the other guys to penetrate i think
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He's still trash talking at an elite level and I love every minute of it.
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i'm not sure he is any more of a liability than Acker and he can stretch the floor and make deep 3s last night the offense was a bit stagnant at times so he could come in to give a spark and fee up the other guys to penetrate i think
Acker is not a defensive liability. He stops the ball, gets steals and makes it very hard to post him up. That’s the difference.
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maybe but in this day and age offense and not defense wins championships
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He's still trash talking at an elite level and I love every minute of it.
Yep there was a shot of a Red Scare player near the MU bench and Rowsey was standing and constantly chattering at him about something. Dude if nothing else has that Larry Bird gene thriving inside him
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maybe but in this day and age offense and not defense wins championships
I guess you should call Joe Chapman sometime in the next 24 hours. I’m sure he would appreciate it.
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Such a scoop meme. Playing for the TBT championship tomorrow. And a question arises why the worst defensive player I have seen at MU in 35 isn't playing more.
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you obviously haven't watched enough MU basketball to claim that and/or don't know crap about basketball
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Rowsey is decent, Little Mo is much better.
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Rowsey is as good a pure shooter from 3 as I have seen in the 37 years I have been watching MU hoops. Markus and Novak are the only ones close.
He is unequivocally the worst defender.
MU is playing for the TBT championship with AR playing limited minutes. I am willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt.
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Rowsey is as good a pure shooter from 3 as I have seen in the 37 years I have been watching MU hoops. Markus and Novak are the only ones close.
He is unequivocally the worst defender.
MU is playing for the TBT championship with AR playing limited minutes. I am willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt.
AR is a sharp shooter. Incredible no doubt. However, Mo Acker was a 38% career shooter from 3 at MU, 40+ as a senior. And has been playing pro ball, and all the savvy and development at the PG position that comes with it, for almost a decade. I’m gonna take the very good shooter from distance who is a more complete player over the great shooter, lesser player all day. Especially when you have 3-4 other guys on the team who are an absolute bucket from all over the floor
Related, LOVE how Buycks went from scoring beast last year to facilitator/do whatever we need with DJO joining and scoring a bunch. He was one of my underrated favs at MU, love how much he’s developed and grown as a player
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Chris Crawford is probably available though. He can share an oxygen tank with Travis after every three minute stint.
You're off Travis doesn't need oxygen, he is powered by beer, you haven't been paying attention to interviews.
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Related, LOVE how Buycks went from scoring beast last year to facilitator/do whatever we need with DJO joining and scoring a bunch. He was one of my underrated favs at MU, love how much he’s developed and grown as a player
He looks great, no doubt. But I still have Louisville in my head.
Funny how things stick, when I saw Mo I thought of GTown and the six 3’s and the UConn game when I thought “What’s Acker out there for?” before it was apparent that DJ broke his foot.
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maybe but in this day and age offense and not defense wins championships
Disagree at most elite levels you can't win championships if you stink at D. This format is even less forgiving with a bad D, if you're having a cold shooting night you're gone. We've had a couple of quarters where D has kept us in the game or given us the lead
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He looks great, no doubt. But I still have Louisville in my head.
Funny how things stick, when I saw Mo I thought of GTown and the six 3’s and the UConn game when I thought “What’s Acker out there for?” before it was apparent that DJ broke his foot.
I think Acker had his 6-6 on threes in a blowout win over Providence.
It was Cubillan going 6-6 against Georgetown in a three point win.
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Go, Golden Eagles!
Beat Cancer!
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Go, Golden Eagles!
Beat Cancer!
Cancer is evil and must be destroyed!
(Thank god the phrasing we use matches up well with that one)
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What an absolute legend. Also probably speaks to his conditioning some
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1282862844166512641?s=21
His last line had me laughing out loud
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maybe but in this day and age offense and not defense wins championships
Virginia won the last NCAA championship game.
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Sideline Cancer is evil and must be destroyed!
(Thank god the phrasing we use matches up well with that one)
:(
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you obviously haven't watched enough MU basketball to claim that and/or don't know crap about basketball
Rowsey's footwork in on-ball defense is... lacking. He has never shown the lateral quickness to keep someone from taking him off the bounce and forcing our defense into a help/rotation situation. A good enough player is able to blow by him and is either presented with a floater/midrange shot or a potential dish to multiple levels depending on how the help defense develops.
I haven't really focused on Acker's on ball defense in the exact comparable situation, but I haven't noticed that happening to him with regularity so I'm going to assume that Acker is at least able to present *at least* slightly more of an obstacle off the bounce on the perimeter.
Nobody is looking for Rowsey to turn himself into senior-year Dominic James for on-ball defensive pressure, but he's got to show more or his offensive ability simply doesn't cancel out the opportunities he presents to the opposition.
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What an absolute legend. Also probably speaks to his conditioning some
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1282862844166512641?s=21
His last line had me laughing out loud
Legend
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I love all those guys on that team, im one of the younger people on here I bet, and growing up watching Buycks, Jamil (even in HS), DJO, all those guys its just so fun watching again
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Virginia won the last NCAA championship game.
With the #2 rated offense in the country on kenpom (defense was good too at #5).
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Virginia won the last NCAA championship game.
Because they had a lottery pick and some other NBA players on the roster. Defense, offense...what matters is having guys that will play in the association
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/7/14/21323699/the-basketball-tournament-2020-championship-preview (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/7/14/21323699/the-basketball-tournament-2020-championship-preview)
Good quote that seems to run against the obvious fact that Sideline Cancer is evil and should probably be destroyed:
The winner will get $1 million, the loser will get nothing. And if Sideline Cancer wins, $100,000 will go to pancreatic cancer research. So it’s Maruqette vs. the Cinderella story with the undersized star and a big donation to cancer research. Honestly, I’m not even sure Marquette alumni should be rooting for Marquette.
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/7/14/21323699/the-basketball-tournament-2020-championship-preview (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/7/14/21323699/the-basketball-tournament-2020-championship-preview)
Good quote that seems to run against the obvious fact that Sideline Cancer is evil and should probably be destroyed:
Pancreatic cancer is evil---terribly, terribly evil---and must be destroyed.
I will still root for MU but anything that helps destroy that disease is a big plus.
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Pancreatic cancer is evil---terribly, terribly evil---and must be destroyed.
I will still root for MU but anything that helps destroy that disease is a big plus.
Agreed. Tonight I am going to wear the PanCan awareness socks our WLAX team wore a few years ago to support both Marquette and the eradication of the disease that has taken two of my family members, including my mom. If anyone is feeling a little bit torn, you can join me in going to pancan.org and donating tonight.
Go Marquette.
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Cancer is evil and must be destroyed!
(Thank god the phrasing we use matches up well with that one)
correction
Cancer is evil because it destroys.
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I'm not taking for granted how special this team/program has been. Tough to top nostalgia, and yet they've done it year after year. So I had to try and capture it in a column.
https://painttouches.com/2020/07/14/greska-tbt-brings-marquette-forever-to-life/ (https://painttouches.com/2020/07/14/greska-tbt-brings-marquette-forever-to-life/)
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I'm not taking for granted how special this team/program has been. Tough to top nostalgia, and yet they've done it year after year. So I had to try and capture it in a column.
https://painttouches.com/2020/07/14/greska-tbt-brings-marquette-forever-to-life/ (https://painttouches.com/2020/07/14/greska-tbt-brings-marquette-forever-to-life/)
great article!!
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I just saw on Twitter Crean, Diener, and DJO talking with Seth Greenberg. I am shocked Buzz hasn’t been on with all the former players of his on the MU team. I figured he’d take any chance to get on the camera.
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They interviewed Tom Crean during one of the games and if I understood correctly he said he was in a text group with former players not just his era but from all different ones and the guys were all very close.
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I just saw on Twitter Crean, Diener, and DJO talking with Seth Greenberg. I am shocked Buzz hasn’t been on with all the former players of his on the MU team. I figured he’d take any chance to get on the camera.
Buzz isn't half the marketer that Crean is.
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Buzz isn't half the marketer that Crean is.
True, but Greenberg is a buddy of his if I remember correctly.
Buzz doesn’t care about any school he coaches at. It’s all about himself at every step of the way. Which would be a totally valid way to be if he didn’t put on such a false front.
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True, but Greenberg is a buddy of his if I remember correctly.
Buzz doesn’t care about any school he coaches at. It’s all about himself at every step of the way. Which would be a totally valid way to be if he didn’t put on such a false front.
Buzz wants no association with Marquette.
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Buzz isn't half the marketer that Crean is.
Buzz has never marketed anything but himself.
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Weird question: Does Vegas set lines for these games?
I seem to recall FanDuel or DraftKings on the screen during last game.
Fired up for this one. Championship MU basketball in JULY...yes please!
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I'm not taking for granted how special this team/program has been. Tough to top nostalgia, and yet they've done it year after year. So I had to try and capture it in a column.
https://painttouches.com/2020/07/14/greska-tbt-brings-marquette-forever-to-life/ (https://painttouches.com/2020/07/14/greska-tbt-brings-marquette-forever-to-life/)
Perfect summary of my feelings watching our teams in TBT. Thanks for sharing!
Also for those saying Buzz has no connection to this, there is a cool tweet of his in the article
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I just saw on Twitter Crean, Diener, and DJO talking with Seth Greenberg. I am shocked Buzz hasn’t been on with all the former players of his on the MU team. I figured he’d take any chance to get on the camera.
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1283134993636765696?s=20
Crean > Buzz
LETS. GO.
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Weird question: Does Vegas set lines for these games?
I seem to recall FanDuel or DraftKings on the screen during last game.
Fired up for this one. Championship MU basketball in JULY...yes please!
good guys at: -3.5
over/under: 152.5
moneyline: -167
+450 to win it all when the tourney began.
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True, but Greenberg is a buddy of his if I remember correctly.
Buzz doesn’t care about any school he coaches at. It’s all about himself at every step of the way. Which would be a totally valid way to be if he didn’t put on such a false front.
Yep, it’s interesting. For all the flack Crean gets, his former players seem to love him and keep in contact with him. His interactions and relationships with them seem quite genuine.
I don’t get that same vibe with Buzz. Kind of just drops everything from that coaching stop and moves on. Not saying he’s an ass to the guys or that, for example, he and JFB don’t keep in touch, but he doesn’t put the effort into it other coaches do.
Weird question: Does Vegas set lines for these games?
I seem to recall FanDuel or DraftKings on the screen during last game.
Fired up for this one. Championship MU basketball in JULY...yes please!
Yep. Both O/U and spreads are available. MU is a -5.5 fav. O/U is 149.5
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MU has covered in all three games so far. I'm not as confident in the 5.5 but 3-0 rolling with them so far so I'll give the points.
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Hoping to see an updated version of this video in my Twitter feed tomorrow:
https://twitter.com/DienerTravis/status/1024082747877408770?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1024082747877408770&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252FDienerTravis%252Fstatus%252F1024082747877408770%26widget%3DTweet
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Wait - they're only giving $100,000 to cancer? I thought they were giving the whole $1 million! Good, I will no longer feel guilty about rooting for Marquette.
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Wait - they're only giving $100,000 to cancer? I thought they were giving the whole $1 million! Good, I will no longer feel guilty about rooting for Marquette.
Yeah, what a selfish bunch of jags.
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Wait - they're only giving $100,000 to cancer? I thought they were giving the whole $1 million! Good, I will no longer feel guilty about rooting for Marquette.
They were saying half earlier in the tournament, great cause and effort regardless.
If MU wins, I hope they don’t get pressured to donate. If they do, great and noble, but these aren’t filthy rich NBA ballers who should feel obligated to give up cash they’ve dedicated years to winning. Speaking from experience, forced or guilted charity is the worst
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They were saying half earlier in the tournament, great cause and effort regardless.
If MU wins, I hope they don’t get pressured to donate. If they do, great and noble, but these aren’t filthy rich NBA ballers who should feel obligated to give up cash they’ve dedicated years to winning. Speaking from experience, forced or guilted charity is the worst
If MU wins, what they should do is encourage all of their fans to donate to Sideline Cancer's cause, including providing links on social media.
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So Proud of these guys what a team win
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Hoping to see an updated version of this video in my Twitter feed tomorrow:
https://twitter.com/DienerTravis/status/1024082747877408770?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1024082747877408770&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252FDienerTravis%252Fstatus%252F1024082747877408770%26widget%3DTweet
Great call!!!
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Loved watching the games with no crowd. Being able to hear coaches and players was outstanding.
Like to hear other Scoopers opinions
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Was very well produced event
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Loved watching the games with no crowd. Being able to hear coaches and players was outstanding.
Like to hear other Scoopers opinions
I enjoyed it as well. Loved the dark curtains with logos positioned around the court to block off seating.
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Wait - they're only giving $100,000 to cancer? I thought they were giving the whole $1 million! Good, I will no longer feel guilty about rooting for Marquette.
Anyone can donate $100,000 to cancer. We’re giving $180,000 to Rowsey & Fischer.
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Loved watching the games with no crowd. Being able to hear coaches and players was outstanding.
Like to hear other Scoopers opinions
I happened to like the VERY slow trigger on the dump button, so you’d get a blatant profanity in the huddle and then 5 seconds of silence as they just laid on it
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Tom Crean’s wall:
https://twitter.com/tomcrean/status/1283201777408413696
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Commentary from Buzz
https://mobile.twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz
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https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1283134993636765696?s=20
Crean > Buzz
LETS. GO.
Interesting question. If Crean wanted to come back and Coach at MU, would you take him?
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Interesting question. If Crean wanted to come back and Coach at MU, would you take him?
Don't know but IMHO Crean regrets leaving.
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Loved watching the games with no crowd. Being able to hear coaches and players was outstanding.
Like to hear other Scoopers opinions
It was interesting re-watching the Elam ending. As they are setting up for the inbounds on the final play, the camera found Joe Chapman and you can hear him twice call for Travis to go down to the corner.
Also, Charlo was on the court and nearly hugging Diener before the shot even went in. :D
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Don't know but IMHO Crean regrets leaving.
I wouldn’t go that far. I don’t think he regrets Indiana at all. He didn’t have a FF or Natty, but he coached #1 teams there. And not many coaches can say they coached at a legendary program. I do bet he wishes he could have come back after
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Tom Crean’s wall:
https://twitter.com/tomcrean/status/1283201777408413696
Nice casting couch.
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I wouldn’t go that far. I don’t think he regrets Indiana at all. He didn’t have a FF or Natty, but he coached #1 teams there. And not many coaches can say they coached at a legendary program. I do bet he wishes he could have come back after
It could've been blowing smoke, but his speech at the 100th dinner seemed pretty clear that he didn't realize how good he had it here until he left. While I think just about anyone in his position would take Indiana, he's realized in retrospect the no-brainer decision isn't always the right one.
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I wouldn’t go that far. I don’t think he regrets Indiana at all. He didn’t have a FF or Natty, but he coached #1 teams there. And not many coaches can say they coached at a legendary program. I do bet he wishes he could have come back after
You're probably right. I never thought badly of him for going to IU but I did for the way he did it. Heck, as an MU alum I think I would have taken the IU job.
I'm just guessing that he may have enjoyed his time at MU the most.
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If MU wins, what they should do is encourage all of their fans to donate to Sideline Cancer's cause, including providing links on social media.
Per ESPN's preview of the game, if Sideline Cancer had won, they were going to donate $100k here - https://griffithfamilyfoundation.org/sideline-cancer (https://griffithfamilyfoundation.org/sideline-cancer)
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It could've been blowing smoke, but his speech at the 100th dinner seemed pretty clear that he didn't realize how good he had it here until he left. While I think just about anyone in his position would take Indiana, he's realized in retrospect the no-brainer decision isn't always the right one.
Agree and think he would do a very good job because hes built a name with all the players that he has had go pro. The issue is he is such a boorish ahole that he is impossible to root for. Serious personality disorder.
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MU has covered in all three games so far. I'm not as confident in the 5.5 but 3-0 rolling with them so far so I'll give the points.
Hope the MU players hedged and took the 5.5.
#win/win.
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Buzz has never marketed anything but himself.
We (mostly) all loved him when he was here and said how he was less a self-promoter than Crean. We really didn’t get dissed by him. He had a problem with Larry Williams and Scott Pilarz et al. Not with Marquette.
Yes, he whiffed on the prognosis for the new BigEast. Don’t think that had any maliciousness to it either. Just overestimated the effect of football money and underestimated the job Val and Co. would do. Also, Buzz didn’t foresee the commitment Fox and its FS1 was about to make.
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I wouldn’t go that far. I don’t think he regrets Indiana at all. He didn’t have a FF or Natty, but he coached #1 teams there. And not many coaches can say they coached at a legendary program. I do bet he wishes he could have come back after
He got to coach at TWO legendary programs.
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Yes, he whiffed on the prognosis for the new BigEast.
I'm still not sure he did... Outside of nova I'm not convinced.
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Watched the game at the Wynn SportsBook LasVegas. Game was on 3/4 of the TVs including the big screen.
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I surprised myself by how much I got into it. I cheered a lot, especially at the end, obviously. It reminded me of how much I've missed sports, and of how much I love the blue and gold.
For me, the unsung heroes were Cook and Derrick. Both played their roles to perfection, and Cook actually contributed a ton in the title game. But really, everybody who played contributed throughout the tournament.
The only time I beyotched the entire tournament was when Buycks took that silly foul tonight for #5. I didn't think Chapman should have had him in the game then, either, and I think I saw Joe pat his own chest -- as in "my bad" -- when he had to take Buycks out.
Otherwise, Chapman did one heck of a job coaching during this tournament. Lots of really good inbounds plays, lots of great answers anytime the opponent had a short run, his guys played really hard for him, the team almost always looked organized and ready and intense.
It can't be easy coaching a group of adult men who think they have everything figured out already. Very impressive work by Joe.
All in all, a fun, satisfying fan experience.
We Are Marquette!
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I'm still not sure he did... Outside of nova I'm not convinced.
Ok, but from a short-term perspective, he did, even if Nova carried most of the weight. To your point, look at last year top-to-bottom and the parity strength of our league. Recruiting is fine. BET still the top college draw at MSG by far. Add UCONN. I like our trajectory.
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I surprised myself by how much I got into it. I cheered a lot, especially at the end, obviously. It reminded me of how much I've missed sports, and of how much I love the blue and gold.
For me, the unsung heroes were Cook and Derrick. Both played their roles to perfection, and Cook actually contributed a ton in the title game. But really, everybody who played contributed throughout the tournament.
The only time I beyotched the entire tournament was when Buycks took that silly foul tonight for #5. I didn't think Chapman should have had him in the game then, either, and I think I saw Joe pat his own chest -- as in "my bad" -- when he had to take Buycks out.
Otherwise, Chapman did one heck of a job coaching during this tournament. Lots of really good inbounds plays, lots of great answers anytime the opponent had a short run, his guys played really hard for him, the team almost always looked organized and ready and intense.
It can't be easy coaching a group of adult men who think they have everything figured out already. Very impressive work by Joe.
All in all, a fun, satisfying fan experience.
We Are Marquette!
Well-stated. Joe can really coach.
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I'm still not sure he did... Outside of nova I'm not convinced.
Well I guess he's glad he didn't land in the Big 10 that hasn't had a National Champion in almost 20 years.
I'm a Buzz fan. I wish he was still our coach but from reliable sources he wasn't welcomed back.
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Marquette's TBT shorts were selling out quick. Had to take a size down.
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Marquette's TBT shorts were selling out quick. Had to take a size down.
Link?
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https://tbtgear.com/collections/2020-shorts/products/golden-eagles-official-shorts-2020?variant=32606707449961
Gold's are all gone
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https://tbtgear.com/collections/2020-shorts/products/golden-eagles-official-shorts-2020?variant=32606707449961
Gold's are all gone
Damn navy is too
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I was thinking to myself at the end of the game "I can't believe im saying this but I think Derrick Wilson needs to be in the game!" Ha! What a great defender first team all defense. and btw when did he learn how to fly??? on some of those rebounds he was getting UP
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I was thinking to myself at the end of the game "I can't believe im saying this but I think Derrick Wilson needs to be in the game!" Ha! What a great defender first team all defense. and btw when did he learn how to fly??? on some of those rebounds he was getting UP
Derrick Wilson climbed the ladder several times. Basketball is amazing to watch when everyone brings the intensity.
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I was thinking to myself at the end of the game "I can't believe im saying this but I think Derrick Wilson needs to be in the game!" Ha! What a great defender first team all defense. and btw when did he learn how to fly??? on some of those rebounds he was getting UP
He could always fly.
https://twitter.com/muoverload/status/1278735022170791936?s=21
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He could always fly.
https://twitter.com/muoverload/status/1278735022170791936?s=21
Oh my god look, it’s Elon Musk flying to Mars! (No, but seriously, Elonmusk/Ners genuinely came on here and posted that Derrick looked like...you guessed it, his high school self, after this play)
Bahahahahahahaha
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Tom Crean’s wall:
https://twitter.com/tomcrean/status/1283201777408413696
Actually pretty cool and shows his connection to his players. Calipari takes a ton of pride in getting his players into the league and has tons of jerseys in his house as a result.
As for Crean being a boorish a**hole, the stuff that he’s done with Pardon My Take has actually been really good and he doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s one of their favorite reoccurring coaches, they’ve had some hilarious convos with him. He may have lightened up a bit post-IU
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I think in most careers, looking back, there are places where one can say “that’s where I was happiest” while also acknowledging that moving on from that company to another company for a better title or more money is/was the right move.
I think if for whatever reason Crean came back to MU, his personality and where he is in life would be vastly different from his previous time there. On a side note, his year as an analyst at ESPN, I thought he was terrific.
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He could always fly.
https://twitter.com/muoverload/status/1278735022170791936?s=21
Awesome moment, but god that was such a bad team. What a bummer of a season for my senior year.
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Sometimes it amazes me that folks don't post the highlights for idiots that's missed the game (like me). Here They are:
https://youtu.be/h6WGfY5M_us
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The issue with Crean is that he lied to Fr Wild about his intent to stay. That bridge is burned.
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The greater MU community is behind this squad . I think that’s a great base for the Program to build off. This team showed that tough tenacious and gritty identity that characterizes Marquette basketball.
ESPN has a vested interest in promoting TBT . Golden Eagles Alumni Team will be part of the promotion Just like Ohio State team was last year .
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Well-stated. Joe can really coach.
Wojo's replacement when the time comes?
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Best asset we have for Tuesday night is none other than Derrick Wilson. Has the athleticism needed to slow down Keene.
Was great to see Derrick rise to the occasion last night .
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https://www.thetournament.com/news/4-golden-eagles-78-22-sideline-cancer-73
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Was great to see Derrick rise to the occasion last night .
He was absolutely huge, perfect time to have a career-type game, and perfect opponent for his skill set. Team of destiny
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Here is the bar bill that Travis apparently picked up for his dad.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec-hddsXgAEcwoX?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Those who obsess about any team’s starting lineup should note that DJO was the tournament MVP even though he didn’t start any of our games.
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Those who obsess about any team’s starting lineup should note that DJO was the tournament MVP even though he didn’t start any of our games.
Agreed, kinda like Wade was the best player on the 2008 Redeem Team but he sublimated his ego for Carmelo to start
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Loved watching the games with no crowd. Being able to hear coaches and players was outstanding.
My bride said the same thing.
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Here is the bar bill that Travis apparently picked up for his dad.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec-hddsXgAEcwoX?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Does the Diener family own this fine establishment?
That was quite a celebration party.
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Good Press in The Post
https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/travis-dieners-clutch-3-point-shot-was-worth-1-million/
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Good Press in The Post
https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/travis-dieners-clutch-3-point-shot-was-worth-1-million/
You didn't think it was excellent?
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You didn't think it was excellent?
It is excellent that we are receiving so much positive press 8-)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29462944/golden-eagles-tbt-second-winningest-team-win-first-title
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https://twitter.com/DienerTravis/status/1283591540628164610?s=19
I laughed.
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Luke turned out to be a huge addition, I apologize for doubting.
The Final game line was a wake up call. I was wrong.
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All players donating, great to see.
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1284172366621401088 (https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1284172366621401088)
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Wojo's replacement when the time comes?
He’s already won more tournament games.
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I wonder if this poster will be available?
https://gomarquette.com/news/2020/7/14/mens-basketball-dieners-heroics-gives-golden-eagles-alumni-tbt-title.aspx
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All players donating, great to see.
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1284172366621401088 (https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1284172366621401088)
Was talking to a couple fellow MU guys from NC right after the game and we all agreed that it would be really cool if our guys donated to their cause. And now they have. And yes, it is really cool! Proud of 'em.
We Are Marquette!
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Was talking to a couple fellow MU guys from NC right after the game and we all agreed that it would be really cool if our guys donated to their cause. And now they have. And yes, it is really cool! Proud of 'em.
We Are Marquette!
https://twitter.com/jdwilsonville/status/1284175051760308227
Thought this was an awesome response from Jamil about it too. All the guys seem to truly get it and I think that's pretty darn cool
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Excellent Research Report on Top players in TBT.
https://lastwordonprobasketball.com/2020/07/15/best-players-the-basketball-tournament/
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Travis answers Fanta question - what did team do after winning championship
https://twitter.com/bigeastmbb/status/1284146649380593666?s=21
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Guess Joe reads Scoop
https://twitter.com/moacker4/status/1284642942716706817?s=21
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Excellent Interview with DJO. He reports some strong overseas interest after the TBT win
https://abc11.com/tbt-the-basketball-tournament-darius-johnson-odom-nba/6320941/
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Travis on the Dan Dickau podcast
https://scorebooklive.com/washington/2020/07/16/the-iso-podcast-with-dan-dickau-travis-diener-on-hitting-game-winning-shot-to-win-1-million-in-the-basketball-tournament/
There are some great quotes in this podcast.
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Very proud to be a Marquette fan today.
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1292139638593912833?s=09
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That's awesome!