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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Newsdreams on May 15, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
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https://twitter.com/mu_wire/status/1261326403397697538?s=21
BREAKING: The 2020 fall semester will begin in-person Aug. 26 and will end Nov. 24, among other changes to the academic calendar.
“It is important that we are able to move students out of residence halls earlier than normal,” a news release said.
Story to come via @MU_Wire.
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More details
https://marquettewire.org/4033317/news/fall-semester-to-begin-and-end-early-among-changes-made-to-2020-21-academic-calendar/
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Is the University saying they're predicting a winter 2020-2021 wave?
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Is the University saying they're predicting a winter 2020-2021 wave?
Sounds like it. I suspect we will see the next wave before August....
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They are saying that they don't want to deal with students coming back to campus after Thanksgiving.
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Sounds like it. I suspect we will see the next wave before August....
Define wave? That's the risk profile that will need to be assessed. Some people don't think the current situation is a wave and coming to an agreement on what that definition is will be key and also highly controversial.
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Define wave? That's the risk profile that will need to be assessed. Some people don't think the current situation is a wave and coming to an agreement on what that definition is will be key and also highly controversial.
Wave
noun
1. a disturbance on the surface of a liquid body, as the sea or a lake, in the form of a moving ridge or swell.
2. any surging or progressing movement or part resembling a wave of the sea:
a wave of the pulse.
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They are saying that they don't want to deal with students coming back to campus after Thanksgiving.
This. Exactly this. Was just on a call with another university today and they voiced the same concerns.
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This. Exactly this. Was just on a call with another university today and they voiced the same concerns.
It's almost like I work for a college and have had the same exact conversations! ;) ;)
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They are saying that they don't want to deal with students coming back to campus after Thanksgiving.
Makes sense, really. You go home for T-Day and you are in close proximity to family and friends for extended stretches. Hugging, kissing, eating, drinking, talking, shouting at football on TV, etc.
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Makes sense, really. You go home for T-Day and you are in close proximity to family and friends for extended stretches. Hugging, kissing, eating, drinking, talking, shouting at football on TV, etc.
Which is likely less interaction with people they will have from August until T-day. As I said last week, my youngest talks to her friends up at MU daily via social media. Those that stayed up there are getting together all the time, still having parties and interacting. Kids will be kids. When they all go back to school that isn't changing.
I'm not against the policy, but think it naive to suggest T-day is suddenly the day when all these kids will acquire the virus. She and I spoke about it this morning and the really long break she will have. What happens when 2 kids get the virus when school starts? What if it is 10? That is why the question of wave definition should be known.
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There is a difference between a community interacting with itself, and that community doing that then leaving and returning. Why do you think so many campuses were rushing so they didn't come back for Spring Break.
And they're not kids.
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I'm not against the policy, but think it naive to suggest T-day is suddenly the day when all these kids will acquire the virus.
But you do understand how travelling home for Thanksgiving and returning to campus could increase the risk right?
It's all about mitigating risk. Not eliminating it all together.
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I foresee masks required to attend class. Hand sanitizer inside the door of every classroom. Chairs spread out as much as they can.
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I foresee masks required to attend class. Hand sanitizer inside the door of every classroom. Chairs spread out as much as they can.
You may also see classes set up so only half the class is in the classroom every other day, virtual the other day.
The biggest problem is the residence halls.
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Agreed. And the cafeterias.
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If you read the detailed article they want to try to avoid flu season and Covid. Which obviously would be a bad recipe.
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Agreed. And the cafeterias.
And the rec centers
And the limos
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And the rec centers
And the limos
You can shut those down or massively reduce service... not so much with the dorms.
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You can shut those down or massively reduce service... not so much with the dorms.
Require those who live within a certain radius to commute. Rent a hotel. Try to keep as many students in single rooms as possible.
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I foresee masks required to attend class.
I don't see that happening.
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Require those who live within a certain radius to commute. Rent a hotel. Try to keep as many students in single rooms as possible.
What about common areas of dorms, hotels, etc?
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Require those who live within a certain radius to commute. Rent a hotel. Try to keep as many students in single rooms as possible.
how is MU for room space now? There were issues they had a few years back where they were renting out hotels and putting kids in study rooms/common areas. I cannot imagine parents signing off on having two kids in a room in O'D or Schroeder. How do you find housing for enough kids so that MU can move to singles?
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They are saying that they don't want to deal with students coming back to campus after Thanksgiving.
Very logical. Anyone opposing is a moron.
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Very logical. Anyone opposing is a moron.
I think it’s smart, but it doesn’t really make someone a moron who doesn’t. Nobody knows what this will look like in the winter/flu season.
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FBM, do you know if the reasoning behind finishing the semester at Thanksgiving is more flu or COVID based? While no one wants the double shot of both, I think the worry might be college campuses becoming hot spots for a second outbreak as students would scatter across the country at Thanksgiving, bring the germs back to campus and give them a few weeks to really spread throughout the population before sending them back to their homes for Christmas with everyone serving as carriers for the second wave.
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FBM, do you know if the reasoning behind finishing the semester at Thanksgiving is more flu or COVID based? While no one wants the double shot of both, I think the worry might be college campuses becoming hot spots for a second outbreak as students would scatter across the country at Thanksgiving, bring the germs back to campus and give them a few weeks to really spread throughout the population before sending them back to their homes for Christmas with everyone serving as carriers for the second wave.
Most of the discussions I have had have centered around Covid and not wanting students to scatter around the country only to return. I’m sure flu plays some role in that too.
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But you do understand how travelling home for Thanksgiving and returning to campus could increase the risk right?
It's all about mitigating risk. Not eliminating it all together.
Exactly
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But you do understand how travelling home for Thanksgiving and returning to campus could increase the risk right?
It's all about mitigating risk. Not eliminating it all together.
Yes and as I said I don’t disagree with the policy. But I also don’t think Thanksgiving will be like it normally is in past years in terms of people congregating, and if we are worried about T-Day risk then why have them come back at all? These kids (and yes they are kids to me even if they are legal adults) will expose themselves many times over in the first two weeks on campus than anything they do at T-Day. What is MU going to do, require all students to quarantine two weeks before arriving on campus? Aren’t they bringing all the virus risk with them from everyone they see 14 days prior to arriving on campus?
At some point we have to stop babying this. I fear for my kids, I fear for my family and our elderly, but I also fear for our country, our prosperity and our ability to survive as a society. The solutions provided may do more damage than the virus does. I try to imagine what the greatest generation would do, and I think they would be mostly surprised at the approach.
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No perfect solutions.
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I think second semester planning is much more interesting than first semester 20/21.
I was wondering if MU was going to squash spring break altogether, and go first/second week of February through mid/late May straight through.
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Yes and as I said I don’t disagree with the policy. But I also don’t think Thanksgiving will be like it normally is in past years in terms of people congregating, and if we are worried about T-Day risk then why have them come back at all? These kids (and yes they are kids to me even if they are legal adults) will expose themselves many times over in the first two weeks on campus than anything they do at T-Day. What is MU going to do, require all students to quarantine two weeks before arriving on campus? Aren’t they bringing all the virus risk with them from everyone they see 14 days prior to arriving on campus?
At some point we have to stop babying this. I fear for my kids, I fear for my family and our elderly, but I also fear for our country, our prosperity and our ability to survive as a society. The solutions provided may do more damage than the virus does. I try to imagine what the greatest generation would do, and I think they would be mostly surprised at the approach.
The group of people who led us to where we are politically, socially and culturally?
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Yes and as I said I don’t disagree with the policy. But I also don’t think Thanksgiving will be like it normally is in past years in terms of people congregating, and if we are worried about T-Day risk then why have them come back at all?
Again, because it's about mitigating risk, not eliminating it all together. There are more options than "doing nothing" and "locking down the campus"
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But you do understand how travelling home for Thanksgiving and returning to campus could increase the risk right?
It's all about mitigating risk. Not eliminating it all together.
But we must mitigate all risk and know answers to all questions!!! 🤪
I like what MU is doing and understand the thought but is it really going to accimplish that much? Kids going home on weekends? Travelling to other campuses, events, etc. its not like campus will be locked down until Tgiving. Kinda like pissin in da ocean aina?
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Why not just have the science, engineering, nursing and any other students that require a physical presence be on campus. All other students can continue their course work online. With only those students on campus it might be possible to have only one student per dorm room.
Just a thought...thinking out of the box for a campus like MU's.
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Why not just have the science, engineering, nursing and any other students that require a physical presence be on campus. All other students can continue their course work online. With only those students on campus it might be possible to have only one student per dorm room.
Just a thought...thinking out of the box for a campus like MU's.
Would be hilarious then to hear the announcer call us the best student section in the country when those 50 students show up.
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Would be hilarious then to hear the announcer call us the best student section in the country when those 50 students show up.
...and who is going to show up after Thanksgiving? You really think we are going to play basketball when you can't even get a hair cut?
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...and who is going to show up after Thanksgiving? You really think we are going to play basketball when you can't even get a hair cut?
You can get a haircut most places right now.
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Why not just have the science, engineering, nursing and any other students that require a physical presence be on campus. All other students can continue their course work online. With only those students on campus it might be possible to have only one student per dorm room.
Just a thought...thinking out of the box for a campus like MU's.
That's probably not far off from what they are doing. But my guess is that they are being very flexible regarding in-person requirements.
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You can get a haircut most places right now.
Not here in New Jersey and quite a few other states. I doubt Seton Hall, UConn, St.Johns and Villanova will be opening soon as we are the epicenter of this pandemic, unless the number of cases drop drastically which does not seem to be the case.
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Yes and as I said I don’t disagree with the policy. But I also don’t think Thanksgiving will be like it normally is in past years in terms of people congregating,
I see you haven't been paying any attention to the news out of Wisconsin.
and if we are worried about T-Day risk then why have them come back at all? These kids (and yes they are kids to me even if they are legal adults) will expose themselves many times over in the first two weeks on campus than anything they do at T-Day. What is MU going to do, require all students to quarantine two weeks before arriving on campus? Aren’t they bringing all the virus risk with them from everyone they see 14 days prior to arriving on campus?
They will, but the idea is to keep that as contained as possible. If they are going to bring students to campus, it's better to do it once rather than repeatedly re-disbursing them back to their communities. It's about mitigating, not eliminating, the risk.
At some point we have to stop babying this. I fear for my kids, I fear for my family and our elderly, but I also fear for our country, our prosperity and our ability to survive as a society.
Call your politician, tell them to increase the frequency and amount of relief payments. Urge them to follow the CDC guidelines so we can re-open the economy in the safest fashion possible while continuing to work to mitigate the disease. Ask them to provide insurance to allow businesses to protect and retain their work staffs to help control the unemployment. And make sure there are not get-out-of-jail-free cards for big businesses that prevents them from being held liable in the event they ignore guidelines and safe practices in reopening.
The solutions provided may do more damage than the virus does.
I mean...really? No, this is too easy. Pass. On to the next.
I try to imagine what the greatest generation would do, and I think they would be mostly surprised at the approach.
The Greatest Generation was born starting around 1910, which means many of them were children when we suffered the Spanish Flu of 1918. They saw what happened when people stopped wearing masks prematurely, such as in San Francisco with the Anti-Mask League (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/coronavirus-pandemic-1918-protests-california), which helped lead to the second wave (https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence) that was deadlier than the first.
If they looked at our approach, they would likely say that we are weak because people can't handle wearing masks, because it is a miniscule sacrifice to save the lives of your family, friends, and neighbors. They would say we are greedy if a tiny discomfort when one leaves the home leads people to deliberately put others' lives at risk. Remember, this is the generation that sent a primarily stay-at-home female population into the workforce, many for the first time, while the men went off to fight in the deadliest war in history. Making sacrifices was the entirety of their lives.
They would have perspective on what a a string of catastrophes starting with a pandemic (https://www.villages-news.com/2020/05/01/a-time-for-perspective/) looks like. They followed World War I and the Spanish Flu with the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Cold War, the Bay of Pigs, etc.
I think they would look at protests like we've seen in Michigan and Wisconsin for the petty, weak-willed, inconsiderate actions they are. They would look at people who say "I won't wear a mask" as asinine because it's such a small sacrifice compared to the benefit it can create on a societal level. And they would probably think the action of staying at home and making due in a tough time is pretty simple compared to all the things they survived, especially when they saw first-hand the ravages a pandemic can cause on a global scale.
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Hey guys...this isn't a covid thread.
Sounds like Marquette's plan is reasonable.
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Warrior Dad is supposedly a parent of a current student. I mean he could call the campus and bitch about the fall schedule if he would like.
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I think it’s smart, but it doesn’t really make someone a moron who doesn’t. Nobody knows what this will look like in the winter/flu season.
Depends on who wins the election.
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If they looked at our approach, they would likely say that we are weak because people can't handle wearing masks, because it is a miniscule sacrifice to save the lives of your family, friends, and neighbors. They would say we are greedy if a tiny discomfort when one leaves the home leads people to deliberately put others' lives at risk. Remember, this is the generation that sent a primarily stay-at-home female population into the workforce, many for the first time, while the men went off to fight in the deadliest war in history. Making sacrifices was the entirety of their lives.
They would have perspective on what a a string of catastrophes starting with a pandemic (https://www.villages-news.com/2020/05/01/a-time-for-perspective/) looks like. They followed World War I and the Spanish Flu with the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Cold War, the Bay of Pigs, etc.
I think they would look at protests like we've seen in Michigan and Wisconsin for the petty, weak-willed, inconsiderate actions they are. They would look at people who say "I won't wear a mask" as asinine because it's such a small sacrifice compared to the benefit it can create on a societal level. And they would probably think the action of staying at home and making due in a tough time is pretty simple compared to all the things they survived, especially when they saw first-hand the ravages a pandemic can cause on a global scale.
This is rich.
How could you even begin to think what that generation might think? Or anyone other than those that agree with you? Point to which of the calamities you sight where they shut down schools, tried to prevent voting in person, shut down 'non-essential' businesses, or prevented congregants from gathering?
Your insight might carry more water if you didn't descend into denigrating those whose actions you don't agree with.
You certainly cannot grasp the 'petty, weak-willed, and inconsiderate actions' of those who are tired of having their civil rights trampled all over by mini despot governors who are afraid to change course as we learn more about this virus.
Why does the solution to this have to be one size fits all? Why are the businesses and hospitals in rural and suburban counties with little to no cases, let alone deaths, told that they are non-essential or that they cannot treat other elective medicine? All so you and everyone else can feel 'safe at home' (where some 60% of the cases in New York came from BTW)? Tell that to the 30 million people who have lost their jobs. That's not sacrifice enough I suppose. Just take the check from the government until we have a vaccine, if we ever have one, or we run out of other people's money.
I'm sure the greatest generation would admire the 'hiding in our homes until all this is over' approach.
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Please stop the bickering. The numbers will tell the story. If people in Green Bay, Oshkosh, Sturgen Bay, and Sheboygan get sick, game over. If only peoole in Milwaukee, Kenosha, Janesville, Racine get sick, life goes on. (Not really)
We plan now, the decisions will be data driven come the end of summer and the fall.
We can open up whatever we want, we can take whatever risk we want, but if people don't go out and spend, and participate, there will be no demand. A surge in sickness will kill demand notwithstanding the supply.
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This is rich.
How could you even begin to think what that generation might think? Or anyone other than those that agree with you? Point to which of the calamities you sight where they shut down schools, tried to prevent voting in person, shut down 'non-essential' businesses, or prevented congregants from gathering?
Your insight might carry more water if you didn't descend into denigrating those whose actions you don't agree with.
You certainly cannot grasp the 'petty, weak-willed, and inconsiderate actions' of those who are tired of having their civil rights trampled all over by mini despot governors who are afraid to change course as we learn more about this virus.
Why does the solution to this have to be one size fits all? Why are the businesses and hospitals in rural and suburban counties with little to no cases, let alone deaths, told that they are non-essential or that they cannot treat other elective medicine? All so you and everyone else can feel 'safe at home' (where some 60% of the cases in New York came from BTW)? Tell that to the 30 million people who have lost their jobs. That's not sacrifice enough I suppose. Just take the check from the government until we have a vaccine, if we ever have one, or we run out of other people's money.
I'm sure the greatest generation would admire the 'hiding in our homes until all this is over' approach.
Well, somebody is back from a banning ... and seems to be angling for another.
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This is where the logic doesn't add up for me
In Fall semester kids will be together doing things with other kids, family until late August and then attending MU. They will then be with kids from around the country in residence halls, sharing communal bathrooms and showers, roommates, classes with many kids.
The come home from Thanksgiving for four days, and that's the trigger and not allowed to return.
Yet, for Spring semester they will come home for a longer period with Easter / Spring Break and be allowed to return back to school. Is this hoping that a vaccine or some other change happens in April that isn't happening in November and December?
Again, I don't mind the policy, but the logic behind it seems fall apart at the beginning of the Fall semester and again in the second semester. beginning and post Spring Break.
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I see you haven't been paying any attention to the news out of Wisconsin.
They will, but the idea is to keep that as contained as possible. If they are going to bring students to campus, it's better to do it once rather than repeatedly re-disbursing them back to their communities. It's about mitigating, not eliminating, the risk.
Call your politician, tell them to increase the frequency and amount of relief payments. Urge them to follow the CDC guidelines so we can re-open the economy in the safest fashion possible while continuing to work to mitigate the disease. Ask them to provide insurance to allow businesses to protect and retain their work staffs to help control the unemployment. And make sure there are not get-out-of-jail-free cards for big businesses that prevents them from being held liable in the event they ignore guidelines and safe practices in reopening.
I mean...really? No, this is too easy. Pass. On to the next.
The Greatest Generation was born starting around 1910, which means many of them were children when we suffered the Spanish Flu of 1918. They saw what happened when people stopped wearing masks prematurely, such as in San Francisco with the Anti-Mask League (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/coronavirus-pandemic-1918-protests-california), which helped lead to the second wave (https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence) that was deadlier than the first.
If they looked at our approach, they would likely say that we are weak because people can't handle wearing masks, because it is a miniscule sacrifice to save the lives of your family, friends, and neighbors. They would say we are greedy if a tiny discomfort when one leaves the home leads people to deliberately put others' lives at risk. Remember, this is the generation that sent a primarily stay-at-home female population into the workforce, many for the first time, while the men went off to fight in the deadliest war in history. Making sacrifices was the entirety of their lives.
They would have perspective on what a a string of catastrophes starting with a pandemic (https://www.villages-news.com/2020/05/01/a-time-for-perspective/) looks like. They followed World War I and the Spanish Flu with the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Cold War, the Bay of Pigs, etc.
I think they would look at protests like we've seen in Michigan and Wisconsin for the petty, weak-willed, inconsiderate actions they are. They would look at people who say "I won't wear a mask" as asinine because it's such a small sacrifice compared to the benefit it can create on a societal level. And they would probably think the action of staying at home and making due in a tough time is pretty simple compared to all the things they survived, especially when they saw first-hand the ravages a pandemic can cause on a global scale.
Remember he is in Cali
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Well, somebody is back from a banning ... and seems to be angling for another.
Who was he before?
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This is where the logic doesn't add up for me
In Fall semester kids will be together doing things with other kids, family until late August and then attending MU. They will then be with kids from around the country in residence halls, sharing communal bathrooms and showers, roommates, classes with many kids.
The come home from Thanksgiving for four days, and that's the trigger and not allowed to return.
Yet, for Spring semester they will come home for a longer period with Easter / Spring Break and be allowed to return back to school. Is this hoping that a vaccine or some other change happens in April that isn't happening in November and December?
Again, I don't mind the policy, but the logic behind it seems fall apart at the beginning of the Fall semester and again in the second semester. beginning and post Spring Break.
Did MU announce the spring calendar/schedule?
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Did MU announce the spring calendar/schedule?
So far per the article:
Additionally, the spring semester courses will begin a week later than usual, starting Monday, Jan. 25, and will go until May 8. Final exams will be administered in-person from May 10 to May 15.
Spring break and Easter Break will be combined. It will take place Saturday, March 27, through Monday, April 5.
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So far per the article:
Additionally, the spring semester courses will begin a week later than usual, starting Monday, Jan. 25, and will go until May 8. Final exams will be administered in-person from May 10 to May 15.
Spring break and Easter Break will be combined. It will take place Saturday, March 27, through Monday, April 5.
Thanks. I'm guessing this could be changed pending outbreaks/disease updates
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This is where the logic doesn't add up for me
In Fall semester kids will be together doing things with other kids, family until late August and then attending MU. They will then be with kids from around the country in residence halls, sharing communal bathrooms and showers, roommates, classes with many kids.
The come home from Thanksgiving for four days, and that's the trigger and not allowed to return.
Yet, for Spring semester they will come home for a longer period with Easter / Spring Break and be allowed to return back to school. Is this hoping that a vaccine or some other change happens in April that isn't happening in November and December?
Again, I don't mind the policy, but the logic behind it seems fall apart at the beginning of the Fall semester and again in the second semester. beginning and post Spring Break.
For someone who doesn’t mind the policy, you sure are posting enough about it.
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Remember he is in Cali Illinois
FIFY.
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This is where the logic doesn't add up for me
In Fall semester kids will be together doing things with other kids, family until late August and then attending MU. They will then be with kids from around the country in residence halls, sharing communal bathrooms and showers, roommates, classes with many kids.
The come home from Thanksgiving for four days, and that's the trigger and not allowed to return.
Yet, for Spring semester they will come home for a longer period with Easter / Spring Break and be allowed to return back to school. Is this hoping that a vaccine or some other change happens in April that isn't happening in November and December?
Again, I don't mind the policy, but the logic behind it seems fall apart at the beginning of the Fall semester and again in the second semester. beginning and post Spring Break.
It's really not that hard. It's about mitigating risk, not eliminating it.
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FIFY.
And a Cubs fan, hey? ;D
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FBM, do you know if the reasoning behind finishing the semester at Thanksgiving is more flu or COVID based? While no one wants the double shot of both, I think the worry might be college campuses becoming hot spots for a second outbreak as students would scatter across the country at Thanksgiving, bring the germs back to campus and give them a few weeks to really spread throughout the population before sending them back to their homes for Christmas with everyone serving as carriers for the second wave.
I believe that everyone who gets the flu this year will be convinced they have Covid 19 until it is proven otherwise. I would not want to be on campus with a bunch of freaked out people.
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Who was he before?
Can't really tell. But I seriously doubt that was his first-ever Scoop comment.
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Did MU announce the spring calendar/schedule?
They don’t need to yet. Fall is key to getting those deposits in right now.
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They don’t need to yet. Fall is key to getting those deposits in right now.
They did, it is in the article. Obviously could change
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This a tough issue for all leaders, university and political, since none have been through this before.
IMHO, we are setting ourselves up for something worse in the future due to cutbacks and bankruptcies in the heath care industry.
I'm no expert, just my observation.
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I believe that everyone who gets the flu this year will be convinced they have Covid 19 until it is proven otherwise. I would not want to be on campus with a bunch of freaked out people.
Agreed completely. I've been surprised how many people are convinced they have COVID based on practically nothing, add in flu symptoms and it will be virtually everyone.
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Agreed completely. I've been surprised how many people are convinced they have COVID based on practically nothing, add in flu symptoms and it will be virtually everyone.
wife and I are convinced we had it back in Feb here in Denver. If not at least a story for the grandkids, oh well. Negative antibody test last week; nurse and our pediatrician both were very skeptical of the testing. "May have had it, antibodies may be gone by now, we just don't know..." Lots of unknowns out there and you're right, any sign of a flu and people will assume(I am certainly guilty of this)
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But we must mitigate all risk and know answers to all questions!!! 🤪
I like what MU is doing and understand the thought but is it really going to accimplish that much? Kids going home on weekends? Travelling to other campuses, events, etc. its not like campus will be locked down until Tgiving. Kinda like pissin in da ocean aina?
Watt 'bout intimate sexual contact wit each udder, hey?
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Doesn't happen at MU.
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Exactly, you don't know. Guess what, I do, and IT WAS his first post ever. Just doesn't have diarrhea of the mouth like you MU82. Picked his spot and went with it.
Can't really tell. But I seriously doubt that was his first-ever Scoop comment.
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Exactly, you don't know. Guess what, I do, and IT WAS his first post ever. Just doesn't have diarrhea of the mouth like you MU82. Picked his spot and went with it.
Well hopefully it will be his last as well.
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This is rich.
How could you even begin to think what that generation might think? Or anyone other than those that agree with you? Point to which of the calamities you sight where they shut down schools, tried to prevent voting in person, shut down 'non-essential' businesses, or prevented congregants from gathering?
Your insight might carry more water if you didn't descend into denigrating those whose actions you don't agree with.
You certainly cannot grasp the 'petty, weak-willed, and inconsiderate actions' of those who are tired of having their civil rights trampled all over by mini despot governors who are afraid to change course as we learn more about this virus.
Why does the solution to this have to be one size fits all? Why are the businesses and hospitals in rural and suburban counties with little to no cases, let alone deaths, told that they are non-essential or that they cannot treat other elective medicine? All so you and everyone else can feel 'safe at home' (where some 60% of the cases in New York came from BTW)? Tell that to the 30 million people who have lost their jobs. That's not sacrifice enough I suppose. Just take the check from the government until we have a vaccine, if we ever have one, or we run out of other people's money.
I'm sure the greatest generation would admire the 'hiding in our homes until all this is over' approach.
Sorry but no one's civil rights were being "trampeled." And when people have a f*cking fit over something as simple as wearing a mask in public to protect their fellow citizens, then yes, those people are selfish and weak willed.
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Exactly, you don't know. Guess what, I do, and IT WAS his first post ever. Just doesn't have diarrhea of the mouth like you MU82. Picked his spot and went with it.
Hmmm. I do like that he starts by criticizing others for having no idea what the Greatest Generation might think and concludes by being sure he knows exactly what the Greatest Generation does think. I'm glad you enjoyed the "first post" of this wonderful spokesperson for an entire generation of Americans, and I wish you both a lovely Sunday.
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wife and I are convinced we had it back in Feb here in Denver. If not at least a story for the grandkids, oh well. Negative antibody test last week; nurse and our pediatrician both were very skeptical of the testing. "May have had it, antibodies may be gone by now, we just don't know..." Lots of unknowns out there and you're right, any sign of a flu and people will assume(I am certainly guilty of this)
No body has protection, if the antibodies disappear this fast.
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Hmmm. I do like that he starts by criticizing others for having no idea what the Greatest Generation might think and concludes by being sure he knows exactly what the Greatest Generation does think. I'm glad you enjoyed the "first post" of this wonderful spokesperson for an entire generation of Americans, and I wish you both a lovely Sunday.
https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/7839476746?s=20
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https://twitter.com/andygold24/status/1262122278864723970?s=21
.@MarquetteU president Michael Lovell was on a call with VP Pence to advocate for COVID-19 liability insurance for colleges and universities.
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https://twitter.com/andygold24/status/1262122278864723970?s=21
.@MarquetteU president Michael Lovell was on a call with VP Pence to advocate for COVID-19 liability insurance for colleges and universities.
Won’t need it. This is all a hoax. I have on good authority (Trump, Fox, etc.). It all good. People are wussies.
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Won’t need it. This is all a hoax. I have on good authority (Trump, Fox, etc.). It all good. People are wussies.
Really?? Knock it off! Keep your BS politics out of it.
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Really?? Knock it off! Keep your BS politics out of it.
LOL
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No body has protection, if the antibodies disappear this fast.
Look at the number of sailors on the Roosevelt that are testing positive a second time.
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Look at the number of sailors on the Roosevelt that are testing positive a second time.
Yep as I said before immunity has not yet been scientifically proven.
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https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/7839476746?s=20
Kill the Nazis, yes they had to deal with the N word a lot.
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Notre Dame classes start Aug. 10.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/notre-dame-students-coronavirus-early
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Notre Dame classes start Aug. 10.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/notre-dame-students-coronavirus-early
Umm who gives a fvck?
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Umm who gives a fvck?
Tranquillo
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MU and another midwestern, Catholic school's reopening plans on the front page of Chicago Tribune this am
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For someone who doesn’t mind the policy, you sure are posting enough about it.
Four posts in this topic when I have my daughter impacted by it? Excuse me for caring. You have what, 10+ posts on this topic and no child at MU impacted by it.
I don't mind the policy, but the holes in the logic justifying it are big. No one here has proven that not to be the case. If the school was seriously believing going home for four days at Thanksgiving is going to help then what are they doing to address the the kids coming to the school in August, in classrooms, going home for the weekends. The ultimate point is you can't do anything really short of a total lockdown, which I am against. I'm happy the school is starting this way, built up some immunity, stop quarantining healthy people, but the post Thanksgiving non-return is a mirage especially if the policymakers are ok with them coming back to campus in January and back again post Easter break. A number of inconsistencies.
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The group of people who led us to where we are politically, socially and culturally?
The group of people who saved this country and the world from NAZIsm and tyranny that came with it. That group. Yes, that group of people. That's the group of people I am talking about that put country first, enlisted. Correct. That is the group of people I am referencing. The greatest generation of Americans.
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Four posts in this topic when I have my daughter impacted by it? Excuse me for caring. You have what, 10+ posts on this topic and no child at MU impacted by it.
I don't mind the policy, but the holes in the logic justifying it are big. No one here has proven that not to be the case. If the school was seriously believing going home for four days at Thanksgiving is going to help then what are they doing to address the the kids coming to the school in August, in classrooms, going home for the weekends. The ultimate point is you can't do anything really short of a total lockdown, which I am against. I'm happy the school is starting this way, built up some immunity, stop quarantining healthy people, but the post Thanksgiving non-return is a mirage especially if the policymakers are ok with them coming back to campus in January and back again post Easter break. A number of inconsistencies.
For the fifth time, it's about mitigating risk, not eliminating it all together. There are more choices then "Do nothing" and "Lock everything down"
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The group of people who saved this country and the world from NAZIsm and tyranny that came with it. That group. Yes, that group of people. That's the group of people I am talking about that put country first, enlisted. Correct. That is the group of people I am referencing. The greatest generation of Americans.
Every generation has its high points and its low points. You have to take both the good and bad of every generation, to do otherwise is to be dishonest about its history. We do refer to it as the greatest generation but it is just a name. That generation is not any greater (or lesser) than any generation that came before it or after it.
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Four posts in this topic when I have my daughter impacted by it? Excuse me for caring. You have what, 10+ posts on this topic and no child at MU impacted by it.
I don't mind the policy, but the holes in the logic justifying it are big. No one here has proven that not to be the case. If the school was seriously believing going home for four days at Thanksgiving is going to help then what are they doing to address the the kids coming to the school in August, in classrooms, going home for the weekends. The ultimate point is you can't do anything really short of a total lockdown, which I am against. I'm happy the school is starting this way, built up some immunity, stop quarantining healthy people, but the post Thanksgiving non-return is a mirage especially if the policymakers are ok with them coming back to campus in January and back again post Easter break. A number of inconsistencies.
It isn't an inconsistency. Schools are mitigating risk in numerious ways. This is one of them. You don't think it will be effective. MU thinks otherwise. Schools are dealing with many unknowns since the situation is unprecedented. Time will tell what worked and what didn't.
Does this need to be explained to you yet again?
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For the fifth time, it's about mitigating risk, not eliminating it all together. There are more choices then "Do nothing" and "Lock everything down"
Thank you Brother TAMU. You hit the nail right on the head.
If we eliminate risk, we'll take away what it means to be human -- the social interaction with each other. That's not a world I want to live in. There's reasonable precautions we all should take but we need to get on with life.
Embrace it! Life will then embrace you!
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This is HUGE news...
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1263189960573796352?s=21
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I'm not sure why its huge news. The NCAA was going to allow this eventually because individual states are doing their own thing. It's actually going to provide the potential for some disadvantages if some universities aren't going to allow their students to gather even for voluntary activities.
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Four posts in this topic when I have my daughter impacted by it? Excuse me for caring. You have what, 10+ posts on this topic and no child at MU impacted by it.
I don't mind the policy, but the holes in the logic justifying it are big. No one here has proven that not to be the case. If the school was seriously believing going home for four days at Thanksgiving is going to help then what are they doing to address the the kids coming to the school in August, in classrooms, going home for the weekends. The ultimate point is you can't do anything really short of a total lockdown, which I am against. I'm happy the school is starting this way, built up some immunity, stop quarantining healthy people, but the post Thanksgiving non-return is a mirage especially if the policymakers are ok with them coming back to campus in January and back again post Easter break. A number of inconsistencies.
Using the Swedish template.
You should be giddy.
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For the fifth time, it's about mitigating risk, not eliminating it all together. There are more choices then "Do nothing" and "Lock everything down"
Agree on the intent or the PR front, but it is wildly inconsistent and lacks logic. It's a bandaid and a way to say we are doing something. There are no perfect solutions, and this one is as imperfect as any because it is so wildly at odds with how the school is accepting kids in August, January and Easter. If you are going to mitigate, why wouldn't you have mitigation plans for those instances which pose a far greater risk?
Every generation has its high points and its low points. You have to take both the good and bad of every generation, to do otherwise is to be dishonest about its history. We do refer to it as the greatest generation but it is just a name. That generation is not any greater (or lesser) than any generation that came before it or after it.
I'm not sure if it is possible to disagree more with a message. Yes, there are good and bad with all generations, but there are absolutely some generations greater than others in totality. In 1941 we were not a wealthy nation still on the heels of the Great Depression, we had an army smaller than Portugal's, we are mostly farmers and in four years fought a war in Europe, Africa and Asia that cost 60,000,000 lives. People walked away from their jobs because it was the right thing to do. We built 120 Aircraft carriers in four years after struggling to pass a bill in 1939 for ONE. It was a generation that willed itself to victory despite enormous mistakes and defeats. Miscalculations were not blame-gamed or endlessly litigated. We don't think like that anymore and haven't since the 60's. Can Do attitude is replaced with how we cannot do it, won't do it, or shouldn't do it.
I'm sorry, they are called the greatest generation for a reason and some generations are considerably greater than others. How often do we read here how the baby boomers suck and ruined it for everyone?
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Thank you Brother TAMU. You hit the nail right on the head.
If we eliminate risk, we'll take away what it means to be human -- the social interaction with each other. That's not a world I want to live in. There's reasonable precautions we all should take but we need to get on with life.
Embrace it! Life will then embrace you!
I support this view entirely. Embrace life, protect the vulnerable, but let's get back on our feet and stop being cowards about this. I find each passing day to be self defeatist. Let's get going, risk is impossible to remove and hunkering down is only kicking the can down the road. I'm glad MU is back in August, I wish they would do full, normal term. Let the social interaction start (it hasn't ended with the kids still up there anyway) and get rocking again.
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Agree on the intent or the PR front, but it is wildly inconsistent and lacks logic. It's a bandaid and a way to say we are doing something. There are no perfect solutions, and this one is as imperfect as any because it is so wildly at odds with how the school is accepting kids in August, January and Easter. If you are going to mitigate, why wouldn't you have mitigation plans for those instances which pose a far greater risk?
I can guarantee you that no school is doing this for PR reasons or just as a way to say "we are doing something."
And schools are developing mitigation plans for August, January and Easter. The first thing they are doing is announcing the schedule so students and families are aware and plan ahead. Annoucing what move in is going to look like in August will happen. But it's May. Still a moving target in many ways.
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I support this view entirely. Embrace life, protect the vulnerable, but let's get back on our feet and stop being cowards about this. I find each passing day to be self defeatist. Let's get going, risk is impossible to remove and hunkering down is only kicking the can down the road. I'm glad MU is back in August, I wish they would do full, normal term. Let the social interaction start (it hasn't ended with the kids still up there anyway) and get rocking again.
Why?
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I support this view entirely. Embrace life, protect the vulnerable, but let's get back on our feet and stop being cowards about this. I find each passing day to be self defeatist. Let's get going, risk is impossible to remove and hunkering down is only kicking the can down the road. I'm glad MU is back in August, I wish they would do full, normal term. Let the social interaction start (it hasn't ended with the kids still up there anyway) and get rocking again.
Lol
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Agree on the intent or the PR front, but it is wildly inconsistent and lacks logic. It's a bandaid and a way to say we are doing something. There are no perfect solutions, and this one is as imperfect as any because it is so wildly at odds with how the school is accepting kids in August, January and Easter. If you are going to mitigate, why wouldn't you have mitigation plans for those instances which pose a far greater risk?
Again, the goal isn't a solution. It's to reduce risk. There is always going to be risk bringing students back. I guarantee they are taking steps in August and January to mitigate risk as much as possible. Just because they are deciding to take the risk of reopening doesn't mean they shouldn't take steps to mitigate the risk over the course of the semester. As for Easter, that is almost a year a way at this point. A lot can change between now and then. If the pandemic is still in full swing, they will make the necessary changes. No need to commit to that at this point. You are trying to make this a dualistic decision. It's not, there are a lot of options between "Do nothing" and "Shut everything down."
I'm not sure if it is possible to disagree more with a message. Yes, there are good and bad with all generations, but there are absolutely some generations greater than others in totality. In 1941 we were not a wealthy nation still on the heels of the Great Depression, we had an army smaller than Portugal's, we are mostly farmers and in four years fought a war in Europe, Africa and Asia that cost 60,000,000 lives. People walked away from their jobs because it was the right thing to do. We built 120 Aircraft carriers in four years after struggling to pass a bill in 1939 for ONE. It was a generation that willed itself to victory despite enormous mistakes and defeats. Miscalculations were not blame-gamed or endlessly litigated. We don't think like that anymore and haven't since the 60's. Can Do attitude is replaced with how we cannot do it, won't do it, or shouldn't do it.
I'm sorry, they are called the greatest generation for a reason and some generations are considerably greater than others. How often do we read here how the baby boomers suck and ruined it for everyone?
You are entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't think hero worshiping an entire generation is healthy or fair. I also don't think demonizing an entire generation (like your boomers suck example) is healthy or fair either.
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This is HUGE news...
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1263189960573796352?s=21
not necessarily.
First off, they still cannot work with coaches. Second, there are still state, county, and university policies the schools will have to follow.
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I support this view entirely. Embrace life, protect the vulnerable, but let's get back on our feet and stop being cowards about this. I find each passing day to be self defeatist. Let's get going, risk is impossible to remove and hunkering down is only kicking the can down the road. I'm glad MU is back in August, I wish they would do full, normal term. Let the social interaction start (it hasn't ended with the kids still up there anyway) and get rocking again.
Very liberal of you.
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not necessarily.
First off, they still cannot work with coaches. Second, there are still state, county, and university policies the schools will have to follow.
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Eh
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If we have college and pro sports this Fall, as expected, will the “doomsdayers” on here that were defiant that not only would we not see sports again until next year, but also criticized how anyone could logically think we could have sports during a pandemic, come out and say they were incredibly wrong???
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If we have college and pro sports this Fall, as expected, will the “doomsdayers” on here that were defiant that not only would we not see sports again until next year, but also criticized how anyone could logically think we could have sports during a pandemic, come out and say they were incredibly wrong???
Maybe. Though I’m not sure how many “doomsdayers” said there wouldn’t be sports until next year.
If we don’t have sports this year will the non-doomsdayers come out and say they were incredibly wrong?
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Again, the goal isn't a solution. It's to reduce risk. There is always going to be risk bringing students back. I guarantee they are taking steps in August and January to mitigate risk as much as possible. Just because they are deciding to take the risk of reopening doesn't mean they shouldn't take steps to mitigate the risk over the course of the semester. As for Easter, that is almost a year a way at this point. A lot can change between now and then. If the pandemic is still in full swing, they will make the necessary changes. No need to commit to that at this point. You are trying to make this a dualistic decision. It's not, there are a lot of options between "Do nothing" and "Shut everything down."
You are entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't think hero worshiping an entire generation is healthy or fair. I also don't think demonizing an entire generation (like your boomers suck example) is healthy or fair either.
Remember he likes the old days better where everyone kept to their own neighborhoods, very traditional.
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If we have college and pro sports this Fall, as expected, will the “doomsdayers” on here that were defiant that not only would we not see sports again until next year, but also criticized how anyone could logically think we could have sports during a pandemic, come out and say they were incredibly wrong???
I would love to be wrong, but if you're wrong, people die.
Hope you're able to admit that... or sleep at night knowing it.
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Maybe. Though I’m not sure how many “doomsdayers” said there wouldn’t be sports until next year.
If we don’t have sports this year will the non-doomsdayers come out and say they were incredibly wrong?
I think the biggest thing people have said is we won't have sports with fans.
Of course, the "it isn't that bad" crowd likes to point to the projected 2 million death number and say "you were all scared for nothing," ignoring that the projections were if we did nothing. Thanks to the sacrifices we as a society made and the restrictions put in place by our governors we brought that number down significantly and that has given us a chance to have sports again (though I don't know if I'll watch with no fans, it's just a strange experience). However, because of impatience and temper tantrums, it's going back up beyond where it could be and we're not taking steps back.
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I think the biggest thing people have said is we won't have sports with fans.
Of course, the "it isn't that bad" crowd likes to point to the projected 2 million death number and say "you were all scared for nothing," ignoring that the projections were if we did nothing. Thanks to the sacrifices we as a society made and the restrictions put in place by our governors we brought that number down significantly and that has given us a chance to have sports again (though I don't know if I'll watch with no fans, it's just a strange experience). However, because of impatience and temper tantrums, it's going back up beyond where it could be and we're not taking steps back.
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Ohio State AD Gene Smith says he’s confident that a plan can be implemented where 20,000 to 30,000 fans can attend football games in Ohio Stadium.
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Kyle Rowland
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Ohio State AD Gene Smith says he’s confident that a plan can be implemented where 20,000 to 30,000 fans can attend football games in Ohio Stadium.
We’ll see. They want their revenue. I wouldn’t go but Ohio is a weird place.
It’s fun to see the “college players are exploited indentured servants “ crowd now yelling “those wussy kids need to get their asses on the field so I can be entertained.”
But if we do, it’s thanks to mitigation and stay at home orders working. Of course, we have to keep it up. 10 workers on Alabama’s stadium tested positive. Not a good sign
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If we have college and pro sports this Fall, as expected, will the “doomsdayers” on here that were defiant that not only would we not see sports again until next year, but also criticized how anyone could logically think we could have sports during a pandemic, come out and say they were incredibly wrong???
I'm still not expecting it because the lack of any standard coherent plan to open, but yes.
I still can't see any rational way college sports has games without fans, or with significantly diminished fans. That revenue supports programs (not teams, entire programs) that rely on buy game revenue. High major programs stand to lose millions per game. That's not an easy loss to absorb. I haven't seen anyone yet address those issues.
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I'm still not expecting it because the lack of any standard coherent plan to open, but yes.
I still can't see any rational way college sports has games without fans, or with significantly diminished fans. That revenue supports programs (not teams, entire programs) that rely on buy game revenue. High major programs stand to lose millions per game. That's not an easy loss to absorb. I haven't seen anyone yet address those issues.
Another issue: season ticket holders. If we have reduced capacity games do season ticket holders choose a certain number of specific games? For example, at MU do those with more points get first pick of 6 games then the next group picks 6 and so on? If only 25% capacity is allowed how do you divvy up tickets among 10,000+ MU season ticket holders?
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If we have college and pro sports this Fall, as expected, will the “doomsdayers” on here that were defiant that not only would we not see sports again until next year, but also criticized how anyone could logically think we could have sports during a pandemic, come out and say they were incredibly wrong???
If we have college sports in front of full stadiums this fall, I will say I was "incredibly wrong." I will also say that those college's that engage such activity are incredibly stupid.
Ohio State AD Gene Smith says he’s confident that a plan can be implemented where 20,000 to 30,000 fans can attend football games in Ohio Stadium.
This sounds good in concept. But I have a feeling attendees wouldn't engage in the social distancing they would need to.
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I would love to be wrong, but if you're wrong, people die.
Hope you're able to admit that... or sleep at night knowing it.
Do you think the speed limit on all roads should be 20 mph so there is never another traffic death?
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I should also add that the problem with Ohio State's plan isn't necessarily what those fans do during the game, but what they do before and after.
If you go back to the Atalanta / Valencia Champions League match up that many say was the beginning of the problems in Bergamo, many of those who got sick didn't attend the game itself, but hung out in bars and restaurants before and after.
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Do you think the speed limit on all roads should be 20 mph so there is never another traffic death?
That's quite a leap there, fella. I hope you don't think this is some sort of valid analogy.
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Do you think the speed limit on all roads should be 20 mph so there is never another traffic death?
No. But I believe in slowing down for rough train crossings, construction zones, sharp curves and snow storms. And for speed traps. Conversely, the guy in the Prius going 61 in a 70 zone is annoying PITA. Just like the guy in a hurry who drives like an idiot to pass as many cars as possible as he reaches a construction zone. Or any moron who places more importance on his phone than my safety.
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/20/coronavirus-university-of-california-campuses-will-open-in-the-fall-napolitano-says/amp/ (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/20/coronavirus-university-of-california-campuses-will-open-in-the-fall-napolitano-says/amp/)
All University of California campuses will be open in the Fall. This is very good news for the UCLA matchup.
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If we have college and pro sports this Fall, as expected, will the “doomsdayers” on here that were defiant that not only would we not see sports again until next year, but also criticized how anyone could logically think we could have sports during a pandemic, come out and say they were incredibly wrong???
I expect sports to start, but not finish the seasons.
I hope I am wrong.
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I expect sports to start, but not finish the seasons.
I hope I am wrong.
Same
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If they don't start responsibly, they won't finish. I think some of the Euro soccer leagues can show people how to responsibly start sports.
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Do you think the speed limit on all roads should be 20 mph so there is never another traffic death?
do you think we should not have any speed limits because death is inevitable?
Do you think we should not have drunk driving laws because crashes occur anyway?
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Another issue: season ticket holders. If we have reduced capacity games do season ticket holders choose a certain number of specific games? For example, at MU do those with more points get first pick of 6 games then the next group picks 6 and so on? If only 25% capacity is allowed how do you divvy up tickets among 10,000+ MU season ticket holders?
I’m buying mine again, whether I get to go or not. It will just be a donation to the university if I can’t go.
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My biggest worry is still the revenue losses. Ohio State today said they expect to be able to open with about 20-30% of seats filled. So what would that mean? Well, just in terms of ticket sales revenue, they would presumably go from $50.6 million in ticket sales in 2019 (https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/02/19/heres-how-ohio-state-plans-to-turn-around-football.html) down to around $15.2 million, more than a $35M hit and that's not accounting for concessions, parking, and all the other revenue streams that come with the live gameday experience.
Ohio State will obviously draw on a breadth of financial support few others have access to, but if a school like Marquette is looking at a loss of 70% of gameday revenue, how will they make that up? How will they pay the rent at Fiserv? How will they afford to pay guarantee game opponents? How will they be able to keep other non-revenue programs like volleyball, cross country, and lacrosse afloat?
Ohio State is already claiming they lose money on athletics. They can absorb that, but they are one of the apex programs in the sport? What about those that aren't in the top 10% of programs? Not everyone can lose 70% of gameday and keep going.
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My biggest worry is still the revenue losses. Ohio State today said they expect to be able to open with about 20-30% of seats filled. So what would that mean? Well, just in terms of ticket sales revenue, they would presumably go from $50.6 million in ticket sales in 2019 (https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/02/19/heres-how-ohio-state-plans-to-turn-around-football.html) down to around $15.2 million, more than a $35M hit and that's not accounting for concessions, parking, and all the other revenue streams that come with the live gameday experience.
Ohio State will obviously draw on a breadth of financial support few others have access to, but if a school like Marquette is looking at a loss of 70% of gameday revenue, how will they make that up? How will they pay the rent at Fiserv? How will they afford to pay guarantee game opponents? How will they be able to keep other non-revenue programs like volleyball, cross country, and lacrosse afloat?
Ohio State is already claiming they lose money on athletics. They can absorb that, but they are one of the apex programs in the sport? What about those that aren't in the top 10% of programs? Not everyone can lose 70% of gameday and keep going.
Is the Fiserv going to be able to control the negotiation for rent next year? I feel like they need us to pay rent next season more than we need them. If we're cutting stadium size anyways may as well play in the Al for most the buy games.
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Ohio State will obviously draw on a breadth of financial support few others have access to, but if a school like Marquette is looking at a loss of 70% of gameday revenue, how will they make that up? How will they pay the rent at Fiserv? How will they afford to pay guarantee game opponents? How will they be able to keep other non-revenue programs like volleyball, cross country, and lacrosse afloat?
You are going to have to figure out a balance of increasing revenue (fundraising) and decreasing costs (less scholarships, operating expenses.)
But the real question isn't how you make it up. The question is how you minimize the losses.
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Guys, basketball season is 6 months away, things could look completely different in 6 months and Full fans may be in the stands for CBB season. We just don't know.
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My biggest worry is still the revenue losses. Ohio State today said they expect to be able to open with about 20-30% of seats filled. So what would that mean? Well, just in terms of ticket sales revenue, they would presumably go from $50.6 million in ticket sales in 2019 (https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/02/19/heres-how-ohio-state-plans-to-turn-around-football.html) down to around $15.2 million, more than a $35M hit and that's not accounting for concessions, parking, and all the other revenue streams that come with the live gameday experience.
Ohio State will obviously draw on a breadth of financial support few others have access to, but if a school like Marquette is looking at a loss of 70% of gameday revenue, how will they make that up? How will they pay the rent at Fiserv? How will they afford to pay guarantee game opponents? How will they be able to keep other non-revenue programs like volleyball, cross country, and lacrosse afloat?
Ohio State is already claiming they lose money on athletics. They can absorb that, but they are one of the apex programs in the sport? What about those that aren't in the top 10% of programs? Not everyone can lose 70% of gameday and keep going.
Ohio State loses money on athletics is an incredible lie
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Guys, basketball season is 6 months away, things could look completely different in 6 months and Full fans may be in the stands for CBB season. We just don't know.
We also don't know who will commit to Marquette in the future, but that doesn't stop us from discussing recruiting.
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Guys, basketball season is 6 months away, things could look completely different in 6 months and Full fans may be in the stands for CBB season. We just don't know.
I love the optimism, but I'd be stunned if that were the case.
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We also don't know who will commit to Marquette in the future, but that doesn't stop us from discussing recruiting.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed, I was just sensing a tone that some feel no fans/limited fans for MU games is already a forgone conclusion. I'm not sure it is.
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I love the optimism, but I'd be stunned if that were the case.
I mean think about it...if Ohio State thinks they can have 20-30,000 for football games, college arenas hold much less than that, and..CBB is still 6 months away. It MIGHT come down to people deciding individually if they want to go or not..I don't really think "social distancing" at athletic events is feasible..I mean can people not sit next to their families then?? that's not right, and people wouldn't go for that. So again, it may be a "come if you choose, you know the risks" type of deal. We'll see.
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I mean think about it...if Ohio State thinks they can have 20-30,000 for football games, college arenas hold much less than that, and..CBB is still 6 months away. It MIGHT come down to people deciding individually if they want to go or not..I don't really think "social distancing" at athletic events is feasible..I mean can people not sit next to their families then?? that's not right, and people wouldn't go for that. So again, it may be a "come if you choose, you know the risks" type of deal. We'll see.
I would be very suprised, from a liability standpoint, that a "you know the risks" kind of deal would be offered.
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I mean think about it...if Ohio State thinks they can have 20-30,000 for football games, college arenas hold much less than that, and..CBB is still 6 months away. It MIGHT come down to people deciding individually if they want to go or not..I don't really think "social distancing" at athletic events is feasible..I mean can people not sit next to their families then?? that's not right, and people wouldn't go for that. So again, it may be a "come if you choose, you know the risks" type of deal. We'll see.
I don't think universities can go that route. Certainly not when their largest donors are likely in the most vulnerable populations based on age. You can't just say "roll the dice, if you die you die, enjoy the game!" Pro sports can maybe do that, but universities can't wash their hands of blame like that.
I also don't think social distancing at athletic events is feasible. I don't know how you manage families or groups, how you manage concession lines, how they handle distancing at entries and exits, and how they prepare for emergency situations (on site 911 is activated probably 3-5 times per event). These are the questions that need to be answered before we go back to the world as we knew it.
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If they don't start responsibly, they won't finish. I think some of the Euro soccer leagues can show people how to responsibly start sports.
I do not think it is hard to responsibly start sports. However, do you think all college athletes are going to be socially responsible in their non sports life? What they do outside of sports is what is going to derail sports.
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I don't think universities can go that route. Certainly not when their largest donors are likely in the most vulnerable populations based on age. You can't just say "roll the dice, if you die you die, enjoy the game!" Pro sports can maybe do that, but universities can't wash their hands of blame like that.
I also don't think social distancing at athletic events is feasible. I don't know how you manage families or groups, how you manage concession lines, how they handle distancing at entries and exits, and how they prepare for emergency situations (on site 911 is activated probably 3-5 times per event). These are the questions that need to be answered before we go back to the world as we knew it.
No, but you could have people sign waivers removing the University from any liability, right??
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No, but you could have people sign waivers removing the University from any liability, right??
There are also the larger public health responsibilities too. Marquette isn’t going to put full crowds into Fiserv unless they find it safe to do so.
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For whatever it is worth, one of my kids plays at a P5 school , the coaches had a conference call with the parents and told us that one of the many scenarios being considered is moving the football season to spring. I don't think it will come to that radical of a remedy, but I thought the posture was a reflection about how those schools have built their whole athletic structure around football.
One of the great assets of the Big East is not being reliant on football. Big East could restrict attendance to students and family only and probably take the one year hit to revenues much more readily than the P5 type institutions. If that scenario happened in the Big East, I think MU , Creighton, Xavier and Providence would be impacted the most given their large attendance and dedicated season ticket holder base. Villanova would be slightly less impacted because they already play a lot of games in their smaller on campus facility.
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Steve Berkowitz
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NCAA announces rules waivers due to pandemic:
--FCS teams will not have to play at least 50% of football games against FBS or FCS teams.
--Financial aid minimums for FBS schools were waived to permit a school to award at least 75% of maximum FBS financial aid limit for 3 yrs.
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It MIGHT come down to people deciding individually if they want to go or not..I don't really think "social distancing" at athletic events is feasible..I mean can people not sit next to their families then?? that's not right, and people wouldn't go for that. So again, it may be a "come if you choose, you know the risks" type of deal. We'll see.
Lol. Don't forget to take your pills. This ain't happening.
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Steve Berkowitz
@ByBerkowitz
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May 20
NCAA announces rules waivers due to pandemic:
--FCS teams will not have to play at least 50% of football games against FBS or FCS teams.
--Financial aid minimums for FBS schools were waived to permit a school to award at least 75% of maximum FBS financial aid limit for 3 yrs.
The waivers allow FBS teams to now fill entire schedule with FCS teams if necessary. It also allows FCS teams to fill schedule with DII if necessary. I think these developments are helpful in getting the football season underway.
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Lol. Don't forget to take your pills. This ain't happening.
What?? You don't think people are going to decide on their own whether they want to attend a sporting event or not?? You know kind of like they did anyway before Covid. Weird take. :o
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What?? You don't think people are going to decide on their own whether they want to attend a sporting event or not?? You know kind of like they did anyway before Covid. Weird take. :o
Really? I must have missed all the sporting events happening now. Or the ones I’m Europe with no fans. Why are you so sure things are going to change so that Fiserv will be full?
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Really? I must have missed all the sporting events happening now. Or the ones I’m Europe with no fans. Why are you so sure things are going to change so that Fiserv will be full?
Ohio State is talking about 15-20K for football games. I saw another Coach the other day say they also see no reason they can't have fans. CBB season is 6 months away, if football can have fans, basketball certainly will be able to. That's what will change. Look what has already changed, things are opening back up, students will be back on campuses in the fall etc.
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Ohio State is talking about 15-20K for football games. I saw another Coach the other day say they also see no reason they can't have fans. CBB season is 6 months away, if football can have fans, basketball certainly will be able to. That's what will change. Look what has already changed, things are opening back up, students will be back on campuses in the fall etc.
That's not necessarily accurate. Part of the reason sports like football are believed to be safer is because they are outside and a contagion doesn't travel as well in outdoor air. Arenas being an enclosed space makes them inherently more dangerous for something like COVID.
We don't know where we will be in a few months, but it definitely stands to reason that football will have an easier time accommodating fans than basketball will. Even still, Marquette running at 30% capacity (which is more than Ohio State's most optimistic proposal) may not be tenable from a financial perspective.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/05/24/due-to-covid-19-postponements-this-fall-could-be-a-bonanza-for-major-sporting-events/amp/?__twitter_impression=true ;) (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/05/24/due-to-covid-19-postponements-this-fall-could-be-a-bonanza-for-major-sporting-events/amp/?__twitter_impression=true ;))
Going to need to get a bigger TV for all these sporting events this Fall.
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That's not necessarily accurate. Part of the reason sports like football are believed to be safer is because they are outside and a contagion doesn't travel as well in outdoor air. Arenas being an enclosed space makes them inherently more dangerous for something like COVID.
We don't know where we will be in a few months, but it definitely stands to reason that football will have an easier time accommodating fans than basketball will. Even still, Marquette running at 30% capacity (which is more than Ohio State's most optimistic proposal) may not be tenable from a financial perspective.
It seems like there will be a percentage allowed in an arena/stadium at least at the beginning. Which is a better financially. A thousand fans in the Al or 6000 at Fiserv?
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It seems like there will be a percentage allowed in an arena/stadium at least at the beginning. Which is a better financially. A thousand fans in the Al or 6000 at Fiserv?
I honestly don't know. Zero fans in the Al might be the smartest route to take.
If you pack a few into the Al, you have the concern that there is only really one entry/exit point for a lot of people. For the Fiserv, obviously the rent is a huge factor and I'm not at all convinced you can make enough to cover rent and pay the cost of a guarantee game opponent. At this point, we don't have any clear good answers. Hopefully things will clear up as we go forward, but if we see a spike in the next month or so (feels inevitable) I can only imagine it will push things further back.
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I honestly don't know. Zero fans in the Al might be the smartest route to take.
If you pack a few into the Al, you have the concern that there is only really one entry/exit point for a lot of people. For the Fiserv, obviously the rent is a huge factor and I'm not at all convinced you can make enough to cover rent and pay the cost of a guarantee game opponent. At this point, we don't have any clear good answers. Hopefully things will clear up as we go forward, but if we see a spike in the next month or so (feels inevitable) I can only imagine it will push things further back.
Some kind of accommodation on the rent at Fiserv will need to be negotiated.
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Some kind of accommodation on the rent at Fiserv will need to be negotiated.
Because negotiations on rent went so well the last time...
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https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2020/05/25/Colleges/Travel.aspx
Thought this was interesting. Making non-revenue sports, “independent” to limit travel expenses.
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https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2020/05/25/Colleges/Travel.aspx
Thought this was interesting. Making non-revenue sports, “independent” to limit travel expenses.
They should consider this for revenue sports if it'll help schools recover from the fallout this year
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https://cyclones.com/news/2020/5/26/athletics-pollard-message-to-cyclone-fans.aspx (https://cyclones.com/news/2020/5/26/athletics-pollard-message-to-cyclone-fans.aspx)
To the adamant "we won't have any fans at sporting events this year" crowd, schools have begun releasing information on attendance adjustments for Fall. Iowa State is lowering their stadium capacity to 30k (from 61k). Cyclones had 45,000 STH'ers last year, but - to date - only 22,000 (less than half) have renewed.
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As has been discussed...games at the Al?? This seems to lend more credence to it..
Adam Zagoria
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I'm told it's all fluid now, but have also heard that several Big East teams (Georgetown, Marquette) could end up playing more on-campus/non-pro arena games due to the pandemic.