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Title: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on April 29, 2020, 06:04:33 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on April 29, 2020, 06:17:55 PM
Creighton overrated. UConn underrated. St John's really underrated.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Viper on April 29, 2020, 06:58:12 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
If Carton is eligible, MU will be a little higher than a 10. Creighton at 3 definitely a stretch. Gtown might be better than anticipated too.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 29, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
If Cooley manages a ncaa appearance this season,  I will be very impressed
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 29, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If none of those Creighton guys return they aren't making the tournament
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 29, 2020, 09:12:22 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence
And yet the BE listed as only getting 5 in.

UCONN to the Big East is a well kept secret from ESPN.... in Connecticut. Very professional.
 
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 29, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
If none of those Creighton guys return they aren't making the tournament
And if they do come back, I could see them in the Final Four.

Rich people problems I wish MU had.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Its DJOver on April 29, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
And yet the BE listed as only getting 5 in.

UCONN to the Big East is a well kept secret from ESPN.... in Connecticut. Very professional.

UCONN isn't a member of the Beast yet, when they are, it will be reflected accordingly.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 29, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
And if they do come back, I could see them in the Final Four.

Rich people problems I wish MU had.

Alexander is already gone. Needed him for Final Four run imo.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 29, 2020, 09:41:29 PM
UCONN isn't a member of the Beast yet, when they are, it will be reflected accordingly.
I thought it was a projection of next years Tournament. So is UCONN's move to the BE less predictable than the teams in the tourney?

I really don't care what ESPN does, it's a promotional network for their own content. I don't blame them but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Its DJOver on April 29, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
I thought it was a projection of next years Tournament. So is UCONN's move to the BE less predictable than the teams in the tourney?

I really don't care what ESPN does, it's a promotional network for their own content. I don't blame them but it is what it is.

I'm merely pointing out facts.  Your post made it seem like some egregious error that Lunardi was still including UCONN as part of the AAC, when that is in fact the conference that they belong to.  If his first post July 1st bracket still has them in the AAC, your "very professional" sarcastic line would have some more merit.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on April 29, 2020, 09:59:51 PM
Alexander is already gone. Needed him for Final Four run imo.

This. Alexander was the best all-around player in the Big East last season. If they lose one more of their key guys, they probably will have trouble making the tourney at all.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on April 29, 2020, 10:07:33 PM
This. Alexander was the best all-around player in the Big East last season. If they lose one more of their key guys, they probably will have trouble making the tourney at all.

Alexander was a mammoth, Vander Blue sized loss, but I think Davion Mintz was a bigger loss than people realize. Put up 9.7/3.0 the last time he played and was the guy who could insure there wasn't much dropoff at three positions when Zegarowski, Alexander, or Ballock go to the bench. Kind of like losing the contributions you'd expect from...2014 Jameel McKay.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on April 29, 2020, 10:26:50 PM
Alexander was a mammoth, Vander Blue sized loss, but I think Davion Mintz was a bigger loss than people realize. Put up 9.7/3.0 the last time he played and was the guy who could insure there wasn't much dropoff at three positions when Zegarowski, Alexander, or Ballock go to the bench. Kind of like losing the contributions you'd expect from...2014 Jameel McKay.

Agreed. Excellent point on Mintz.

I want our league to be great, but I can't deny that I'm happy to see Alexander gone!
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on April 29, 2020, 10:36:23 PM
Alexander was a mammoth, Vander Blue sized loss, but I think Davion Mintz was a bigger loss than people realize. Put up 9.7/3.0 the last time he played and was the guy who could insure there wasn't much dropoff at three positions when Zegarowski, Alexander, or Ballock go to the bench. Kind of like losing the contributions you'd expect from...2014 Jameel McKay.
I'm interested to see how Mintz will play at kentucky
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on April 30, 2020, 12:28:48 AM
I thought it was a projection of next years Tournament. So is UCONN's move to the BE less predictable than the teams in the tourney?

I really don't care what ESPN does, it's a promotional network for their own content. I don't blame them but it is what it is.
This notion espn is knowlingly not including uconn in this one list for god knows why seems like a real stretch to me. I dont think they care about the big east taking whatver away from them
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on April 30, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
If Carton is eligible, MU will be a little higher than a 10. Creighton at 3 definitely a stretch. Gtown might be better than anticipated too.
What do you see in gtown. No one of note coming in. Yurt7 gone. Jagan gone. I think theyll be pretty damn bad unfortunately
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 06:05:10 AM
What do you see in gtown. No one of note coming in. Yurt7 gone. Jagan gone. I think theyll be pretty damn bad unfortunately

Have to agree with you. GT has the look of a last-place team.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Viper on April 30, 2020, 06:16:24 AM
What do you see in gtown. No one of note coming in. Yurt7 gone. Jagan gone. I think theyll be pretty damn bad unfortunately
According to their version of Scoop (Casual Hoya), they are pretty high on their recruiting class, especially Jamari Sibley in addition to the 2 grad transfers Harris and Clark, I believe. .500 conf record was predicted by some. If so, that’s tourney potential. (A good Georgetown does more for the BE than say, a good Creighton. I hope Gtown is good, not at Marquette’s expense, but is good. I’ll bet even NickelDimer agrees.)
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on April 30, 2020, 06:32:38 AM
According to their version of Scoop (Casual Hoya), they are pretty high on their recruiting class, especially Jamari Sibley in addition to the 2 grad transfers Harris and Clark, I believe. .500 conf record was predicted by some. If so, that’s tourney potential. (A good Georgetown does more for the BE than say, a good Creighton. I hope Gtown is good, not at Marquette’s expense, but is good. I’ll bet even NickelDimer agrees.)

I think that is vastly optimistic on their part. Taking a quick glance at the league, I felt there were four tiers. Villanova is alone at the top. UConn, St. John's, and Providence at a glance look like the next level and likely tourney teams. Then I think Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, and Seton Hall are in a logjam fighting for bids. Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul look like the bottom tier for me, though I'll admit the Bulldogs seem to have a knack for overachieving their on-paper talent (just like Providence in that second tier sometimes tends to underachieve).
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Viper on April 30, 2020, 06:49:08 AM
I think that is vastly optimistic on their part. Taking a quick glance at the league, I felt there were four tiers. Villanova is alone at the top. UConn, St. John's, and Providence at a glance look like the next level and likely tourney teams. Then I think Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, and Seton Hall are in a logjam fighting for bids. Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul look like the bottom tier for me, though I'll admit the Bulldogs seem to have a knack for overachieving their on-paper talent (just like Providence in that second tier sometimes tends to underachieve).
Anderson is a good coach. St Johns definitely will be in the mix at the top as you point out.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: mileskishnish72 on April 30, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
This notion espn is knowlingly not including uconn in this one list for god knows why seems like a real stretch to me. I dont think they care about the big east taking whatver away from them

ESPN is not a BE fan. As for "God knows why" one wonders if it has anything to do with the FS1 deal.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 30, 2020, 08:30:25 AM
Pretty such they just overlooked it.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on April 30, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
Pretty such they just overlooked it.
Yup
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 30, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
If Carton is eligible, MU will be a little higher than a 10. Creighton at 3 definitely a stretch. Gtown might be better than anticipated too.

Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 10:34:18 AM
Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.

EFR ... I'm sure it's been posted somewhere, but which numbers project us in pergatory with  Carton?
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Viper on April 30, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.
Specific to Lunardi, doesn’t he factor in all metrics when making his forecast? Hence, his 10-seed for MU would be based on something measurable I would think.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: BCHoopster on April 30, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Even if Carton is eligible, I will be surprised if MU makes the tourney. Wojo performs in-line with his pre-season projected computer numbers, and those have us solidly outside a bid with Carton factored in. He'll need another horse to get a 10 seed. Mane or a late grad transfer would do it.

Hard to figure out projected numbers right now as there are like 200 kids in the draft and only 60 places drafted, so names will be coming off that list including Bailey
shortly,  plus it seems there are new transfers everyday so rosters are still very fluid.  I expect Mane to go to college as well, the longer the pandemic the better it is
for Mane to come to MU.  I am sure Wojo will keep 1 scholarship open if he gets 1 more recruit, of course, that recruit might take Mane out of the picture.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 30, 2020, 11:22:59 AM
EFR ... I'm sure it's been posted somewhere, but which numbers project us in pergatory with  Carton?

I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.

Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.

Also, if you look at his rankings for all incoming transfers (so sit out transfers who sat out last season and grad transfers this season) he has some very odd rankings. Maybe he's right, but you'll never convince me that guys like Rich Kelly (#8) and Ian DuBose (#12) are better than guys like David Jenkins Jr (#13), Cartier Diarra (#25), Seth Towns (#33), Matt Haarms (#39), and DJ Carton (#41). Maybe he's moneyballing and seeing something that no one else sees, but I don't think he does a good enough job accounting for the level of competition that players faced when putting up big numbers.

http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&year=trans&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=trans0501
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on April 30, 2020, 11:25:47 AM
I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.

Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.

I'm not sure about that. If the player is going to get minutes over more efficient players and the coach keeps running that player out regardless of what they are doing on the court, I certainly think it can make the team worse.

I get the on paper argument of "the coach will play the best players" but on more than one occasion, there's certainly reason to question whether that is truly the case.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 30, 2020, 11:31:03 AM
I'm not sure about that. If the player is going to get minutes over more efficient players and the coach keeps running that player out regardless of what they are doing on the court, I certainly think it can make the team worse.

I get the on paper argument of "the coach will play the best players" but on more than one occasion, there's certainly reason to question whether that is truly the case.

That isn't a case of the player making the team worse. That is a case of the coach making the team worse.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.

Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.

Also, if you look at his rankings for all incoming transfers (so sit out transfers who sat out last season and grad transfers this season) he has some very odd rankings. Maybe he's right, but you'll never convince me that guys like Rich Kelly (#8) and Ian DuBose (#12) are better than guys like David Jenkins Jr (#13), Cartier Diarra (#25), Seth Towns (#33), Matt Haarms (#39), and DJ Carton (#41). Maybe he's moneyballing and seeing something that no one else sees, but I don't think he does a good enough job accounting for the level of competition that players faced when putting up big numbers.

http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&year=trans&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=trans0501

Thanks for the explanation.

I'll worry about what we're "supposed to do" once we get to October and we know both who is on our team and who is on all the other teams.

And even then, I don't worry about that stuff too much ... because unless there are still coronavirus issues, we do still get to actually play games, right? NCAA bids aren't decided by Torvik, last I heard.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 30, 2020, 02:33:51 PM
Specific to Lunardi, doesn’t he factor in all metrics when making his forecast? Hence, his 10-seed for MU would be based on something measurable I would think.

Not to my knowledge, Lunardi is simply a dart thrower.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 30, 2020, 02:35:43 PM
I suspect he is referring to Bart Torvik's T-Rank. There's a tool that lets you add a transfer to any roster and it calculates their ranking for the next season. IIRC, that tool puts us in the low 50s which is likely an NIT caliber team.

Personally, I think the tool is fun to play with, but less than accurate. It was pointed out that according to the tool, adding a player like Jose Perez makes the team worse. Unless the player is going to cause chemistry issues, there is no way adding a player over an empty scholarship should make a team worse.

Also, if you look at his rankings for all incoming transfers (so sit out transfers who sat out last season and grad transfers this season) he has some very odd rankings. Maybe he's right, but you'll never convince me that guys like Rich Kelly (#8) and Ian DuBose (#12) are better than guys like David Jenkins Jr (#13), Cartier Diarra (#25), Seth Towns (#33), Matt Haarms (#39), and DJ Carton (#41). Maybe he's moneyballing and seeing something that no one else sees, but I don't think he does a good enough job accounting for the level of competition that players faced when putting up big numbers.

http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&year=trans&minmin=0&start=-11101&end=trans0501

Yes this is what I'm referring to. I'll wait to see final roster construction & pre-season KenPom rankings, but those are usually fairly closely aligned. And Wojo usually performs almost exactly in-line with pre-season KenPom.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Herman Cain on April 30, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
I think that is vastly optimistic on their part. Taking a quick glance at the league, I felt there were four tiers. Villanova is alone at the top. UConn, St. John's, and Providence at a glance look like the next level and likely tourney teams. Then I think Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, and Seton Hall are in a logjam fighting for bids. Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul look like the bottom tier for me, though I'll admit the Bulldogs seem to have a knack for overachieving their on-paper talent (just like Providence in that second tier sometimes tends to underachieve).
Creighton has their whole  starting lineup other than Ty Shon Returning , and  Denzel Mahoney Big East Sixth man of the year,  plus Epperson coming back from Injury, and finally Antwan Jones the Memphis Transfer coming on line after sitting out a year. They are going to be very strong again.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on April 30, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Creighton has their whole  starting lineup other than Ty Shon Returning , and  Denzel Mahoney Big East Sixth man of the year,  plus Epperson coming back from Injury, and finally Antwan Jones the Memphis Transfer coming on line after sitting out a year. They are going to be very strong again.

Other than a potential First Team All-American and the surefire preseason Big East Player of the Year? Yeah, that's not a loss at all.

Mahoney and Jefferson both declared for the draft as well, I don't expect them to stay in, but it's not unthinkable one or both could. But the loss of Alexander (not to mention Mintz) is enough. He was the best returning two-way player in the country and it wasn't close.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 30, 2020, 08:58:21 PM
Other than a potential First Team All-American and the surefire preseason Big East Player of the Year? Yeah, that's not a loss at all.
I don't think he ever said it was not a loss.

Anyways,  Creighton will be better than MU, and it won't be close.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
I don't think he ever said it was not a loss.

Anyways,  Creighton will be better than MU, and it won't be close.

The cool thing is that, coronavirus willing, we'll actually get to see instead of firing off opinions.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 02, 2020, 12:33:31 AM
The cool thing is that, coronavirus willing, we'll actually get to see instead of firing off opinions.
Come on.. this is a fan board, this is where we fire off opinions.

I agree, who thought Creighton would have been on track for a 1 or 2 seed this year?

I hope MU makes the Tournament but I think it's unfair to Wojo and the players to expect it.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on May 12, 2020, 05:18:03 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on May 12, 2020, 05:21:07 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
April 28, 2020
1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed Marquette
11 Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall
11 Seed Providence

Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 12, 2020, 05:39:54 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out
That would be Wojo's best coaching job yet. Although I wouldn't bet on it, I'd gladly take it.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2020, 10:24:27 PM
We're in!
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on May 12, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
We're in!
No doubt!
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2020, 11:22:23 PM
Now we can say that Wojo has gotten us to the NCAA tourney 4 times in 5 years, right?

And given that we would have gotten to the Elite 8 this year, and we obviously will get to at least the Sweet 16 next season ... wow! ... what a coach!
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on May 12, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Now we can say that Wojo has gotten us to the NCAA tourney 4 times in 5 years, right?

And given that we would have gotten to the Elite 8 this year, and we obviously will get to at least the Sweet 16 next season ... wow! ... what a coach!
Arent u pro jo mike
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on May 13, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
Arent u pro jo mike

I am a ShoMeMoJo.

Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on June 03, 2020, 06:54:52 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
May 12, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last 4 Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last 4 In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out

Per Joe Lunardi
June 3, 2020

1 Seed  Villanova
3 Seed  Creighton
10 Seed UConn
11 Seed Marquette   Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall   Last Four In
             Providence  Next Four Out
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on June 24, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
June 3, 2020

1 Seed  Villanova
3 Seed  Creighton
10 Seed UConn
11 Seed Marquette   Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall   Last Four In
             Providence  Next Four Out

Per Joe Lunardi
June 24, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 24, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
Per Joe Lunardi
June 24, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out

Yeesh not a great year for preseason hype
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
Yeesh not a great year for preseason hype

Good news if there isn’t a season
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 24, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
Good news if there isn’t a season

Team redshirt
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: cheebs09 on June 24, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
Good news if there isn’t a season

That was my thought seeing the Badgers as a 2 seed.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: willie warrior on June 25, 2020, 05:53:32 PM
Creighton overrated. UConn underrated. St John's really underrated.
MU overrated.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on June 25, 2020, 06:09:16 PM
MU overrated.

You literally said you agreed with where MU is rated a couple minutes ago in a different thread. Be consistent at least.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
You literally said you agreed with where MU is rated a couple minutes ago in a different thread. Be consistent at least.

Agreeing with a guy who picks them 7th in the Big East conference and disagreeing with a different guy who has them a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament is not being inconsistent.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: willie warrior on June 28, 2020, 07:36:04 AM
Creighton overrated. UConn underrated. St John's really underrated.
MU is really a big time overreach here.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: bilsu on June 28, 2020, 08:46:39 AM
MU is really a big time overreach here.
I totally agree with this.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on June 28, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
That was my thought seeing the Badgers as a 2 seed.

How can this be?  BLM insisted that Gard was only effective because he had Bo Ryan's players.  Last year Gard's team finished the season on an 8-0 run.  And projected for a 2 seed next year?  And we project 7th in an 11 team league in Year 7 of the mediocrity experiment of Wojo having "all his guys?"  Say it aint so.

Clarification, BLM is not Black Lives Matter, literally, it is the poser formerly known as Wadesworld.  Then again BLM is a more appropriate username for the guy who always gets the premise wrong.

Greg Gard has accomplished a lot with his own players.  ::)

Here's another great thread with BLM once again so far off the mark:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56985.0

In that topic, this post really triggered BLM.

I also think Wojo is being judged "harshly" THIS SEASON so early into it, because of the lack of success of past seasons.  Patience is wearing out. 

You know what else is true?  Greg F'in Gard is kicking Wojo's ass as a coach.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2020, 10:27:08 AM
How can this be?  BLM insisted that Gard was only effective because he had Bo Ryan's players.  Last year Gard's team finished the season on an 8-0 run.  And projected for a 2 seed next year?  And we project 7th in an 11 team league in Year 7 of the mediocrity experiment of Wojo having "all his guys?"  Say it aint so.

Clarification, BLM is not Black Lives Matter, literally, it is the poser formerly known as Wadesworld.  Then again BLM is a more appropriate username for the guy who always gets the premise wrong.

Here's another great thread with BLM once again so far off the mark:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56985.0

In that topic, this post really triggered BLM.

Beyond a 2 seed in a June Bracketology (congrats Greg!) and a couple Tourney wins with all of Bo Ryan’s players, what had Greg Gard accomplished? Pretty similar results to Wojo.

Let’s make a bet. UW over/under at a 2.5 for their NCAA Tournament seed. I take the over. You want the under? Charity of the winners choice benefits.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 28, 2020, 10:31:41 AM
Beyond a 2 seed in a June Bracketology (congrats Greg!) and a couple Tourney wins with all of Bo Ryan’s players, what had Greg Gard accomplished? Pretty similar results to Wojo.

Let’s make a bet. UW over/under at a 2.5 for their NCAA Tournament seed. I take the over. You want the under? Charity of the winners choice benefits.


Regular season Big Ten title this year.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2020, 10:33:50 AM

Regular season Big Ten title this year.

So he finished in a 3 way tie for first the year after Wojo finished alone in 2nd in the BE.

Again, pretty similar results to Wojo.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 28, 2020, 10:36:46 AM
A conference regular season championship, even if it is shared, is better than finishing second.  Just what Marquette did in 2012-13.

You asked.  I answered.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2020, 10:52:28 AM
A conference regular season championship, even if it is shared, is better than finishing second.  Just what Marquette did in 2012-13.

You asked.  I answered.

Yes. It’s better, but it’s not exactly “kicking Wojo’s ass” in coaching. It’s slightly better.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 28, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Gard may have changed my mind after last year's finish. I thought with Kobe King transferring they would spiral but they pulled it together in a big way. I'm not as high on them this season as the national pundits are but we will see.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on July 15, 2020, 02:23:58 AM
Per Joe Lunardi
June 24, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out
             Butler Next Four Out

Per Joe Lunardi
July 15, 2020
Pretty Much the same as June 24, 2020 except Creighton falls to a 4 Seed
1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
           
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MUDPT on July 15, 2020, 05:38:07 AM
Wisco also had the easiest schedule in the B10 last year. It’s an accomplishment, but needs to be put in some context when you have an unbalanced schedule format.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on July 22, 2020, 03:32:03 PM
Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 23, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out
10 U Conn
Lunardi failed to update them to the Big East
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: lawdog77 on July 23, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out
Clearly he has not been watching the Dex videos.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on July 29, 2020, 02:45:38 PM
Not much has changed per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 15, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
4 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out

Minor Changes Per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 29, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out

Creighton moves back to a 3 Seed. Marquette and Seton Hall “Trading Places” like the movie we watched in our Mr Krause MU Finance Class haha
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on August 18, 2020, 05:01:46 PM
Minor Changes Per Joe Lunardi Bracketology July 29, 2020

1 Seed Villanova
3 Seed Creighton
10 Seed UConn Last Four Byes
11 Seed Seton Hall Last Four In
11 Seed Marquette Last Four In
             Providence First Four Out

Creighton moves back to a 3 Seed. Marquette and Seton Hall “Trading Places” like the movie we watched in our Mr Krause MU Finance Class haha

Some more minor changes per Joe Lunardi August 10, 2020

1  Seed Villanova
3  Seed Creighton
9  Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall Last of Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette First of Last Four In
11 Seed Providence Last of Last Four In

Some movement but not much
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: The Big East on August 18, 2020, 06:21:03 PM
Some more minor changes per Joe Lunardi August 10, 2020

1  Seed Villanova
3  Seed Creighton
9  Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall Last of Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette First of Last Four In
11 Seed Providence Last of Last Four In

Some movement but not much
If the whole league comes out of the box strong in non con again, there could be a few more on the list.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on August 18, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
If the whole league comes out of the box strong in non con again, there could be a few more on the list.
the hell are the odds of a non con even happenin
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on November 30, 2020, 12:29:01 AM
Some more minor changes per Joe Lunardi August 10, 2020

1  Seed Villanova
3  Seed Creighton
9  Seed UConn
11 Seed Seton Hall Last of Last Four Byes
11 Seed Marquette First of Last Four In
11 Seed Providence Last of Last Four In

Some movement but not much

Latest ESPN Bracketology 
Marquette 12 Seed  Last Four In playing USC in Dayton 
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Viper on November 30, 2020, 07:29:19 AM
How can this be?  BLM insisted that Gard was only effective because he had Bo Ryan's players.  Last year Gard's team finished the season on an 8-0 run.  And projected for a 2 seed next year?  And we project 7th in an 11 team league in Year 7 of the mediocrity experiment of Wojo having "all his guys?"  Say it aint so.

Clarification, BLM is not Black Lives Matter, literally, it is the poser formerly known as Wadesworld.  Then again BLM is a more appropriate username for the guy who always gets the premise wrong.

Here's another great thread with BLM once again so far off the mark:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56985.0

In that topic, this post really triggered BLM.
excellent post. Well stated.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2020, 07:33:18 AM
You hoopalooped a post from June?
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 09, 2020, 11:30:32 PM
Marquette is a #9 seed in Joe Lunardi’s ESPN Bracketology on December 8, 2020
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: BM1090 on December 15, 2020, 10:14:20 AM
12 seed, 2nd to last team in. I have a strong feeling this doesn't include last night's win, though. He's usually a day or two late on seeding updates.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 15, 2020, 10:22:58 AM
12 seed, 2nd to last team in. I have a strong feeling this doesn't include last night's win, though. He's usually a day or two late on seeding updates.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

We went from a 9 to a 12 for losing to UCLA. THis thing is gonna fluctuate a lot
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on December 15, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
We went from a 9 to a 12 for losing to UCLA. THis thing is gonna fluctuate a lot

Yeah I don't get it.  We went from receiving votes to no votes at all after losing a road game to a top 25 team.  We lost a game we were supposed to lose.  Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Its DJOver on December 15, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
This season is just going to further point out the flaws with this bracketology methodology.  It can be fun, but it's just for clicks and shouldn't be taken seriously.  When you make one preseason and then just slide teams up or down you can have the current situation of a 1 win UK team and a two top ten win MU team both on the bubble.  This is why the actual committee doesn't start making their bracket until much further into the season.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Ardmore Mug on December 15, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
12 seed, 2nd to last team in. I have a strong feeling this doesn't include last night's win, though. He's usually a day or two late on seeding updates.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

POSTED/UPDATED on today, Dec 15th..... After MU over CU ! ! !
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 15, 2020, 10:41:06 AM
It's December 15.  "Bracketology" is worthless right now. 
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 15, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
It's December 15.  "Bracketology" is worthless right now.

I do agree with your point it's worthless. I think it's the idea that we are one of two teams with two top 10 wins and yet we're last four in while the other is a 1 seed. Not saying we deserve a 1 but there's definitely something to be a little indignant over in the last 4 placement
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2020, 11:07:31 AM
I do agree with your point it's worthless. I think it's the idea that we are one of two teams with two top 10 wins and yet we're last four in while the other is a 1 seed. Not saying we deserve a 1 but there's definitely something to be a little indignant over in the last 4 placement

It has to be an error.  Lunardi probably turned it in before the game concluded.  Only explanation.  Marquette is at worst like 6-7 seed with those 2 wins.  Probably higher. 

That said - its completely meaningless info. 
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 15, 2020, 11:11:06 AM
I do agree with your point it's worthless. I think it's the idea that we are one of two teams with two top 10 wins and yet we're last four in while the other is a 1 seed. Not saying we deserve a 1 but there's definitely something to be a little indignant over in the last 4 placement


Don't be indignant over something that is worthless.  Bad way to go through life.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: BM1090 on December 15, 2020, 11:12:38 AM
This season is just going to further point out the flaws with this bracketology methodology.  It can be fun, but it's just for clicks and shouldn't be taken seriously.  When you make one preseason and then just slide teams up or down you can have the current situation of a 1 win UK team and a two top ten win MU team both on the bubble.  This is why the actual committee doesn't start making their bracket until much further into the season.

Agreed.

T-ranketology now which factors in resume, NET, ELO, and Wins Above Bubble has MU with the top 8 seed. The system also has us MU with the second best resume in the country, trailing only Missouri.

https://barttorvik.com/tranketology-now.php
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 15, 2020, 11:13:48 AM

Don't be indignant over something that is worthless.  Bad way to go through life.

I'm indignant over this remark.

But more seriously, there's a different between me being indignant over disrespect from an average bracketologist  and indignant over getting passed up for a promotion. I can be indignant over both for the relative effect they have on my life just saying.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 15, 2020, 01:21:41 PM
POSTED/UPDATED on today, Dec 15th..... After MU over CU ! ! !

I don't think Lunardi is staying up late or waking up early to edit his brackets with the results from the night before. He likely writes them the day before they are posted and schedules them to be posted in the morning.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
I don't think Lunardi is staying up late or waking up early to edit his brackets with the results from the night before. He likely writes them the day before they are posted and schedules them to be posted in the morning.

This time of year, Lunardi is working up his brackets after doing the same thing Johnny B was doing the other night before posting on Scoop.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 15, 2020, 04:31:45 PM
Also I think some of his bracket has to do more so right now with where he thinks teams will end up.

THats about the only thing that can explain having 1-4 UK anywhere near the field....and even that still looks bad.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 16, 2020, 06:38:09 AM
Also I think some of his bracket has to do more so right now with where he thinks teams will end up.

THats about the only thing that can explain having 1-4 UK anywhere near the field....and even that still looks bad.

He's driving clicks.  Bold opinions get them.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 23, 2020, 02:37:44 AM
Marquette next four out in today’s Bracketology
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: 1SE on December 24, 2020, 12:24:36 AM
Marquette next four out in today’s Bracketology

Respect the process.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: BM1090 on January 13, 2021, 10:02:24 AM
Lunardi moved us into his "Next Four Out" after last night's win. Seems to reinforce the idea that we'll likely be in if we can finish a few games above .500

https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 17, 2021, 01:53:31 AM
Lunardi moved us into his "Next Four Out" after last night's win. Seems to reinforce the idea that we'll likely be in if we can finish a few games above .500

https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138
Thank You for the Lunardi Update appreciate it. Jerry Palm has Marquette Listed in his First 4 Out in his January 15th Bracket Predictions on CBSSPORTS.COM
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: BM1090 on January 17, 2021, 10:34:17 AM
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

Bracketville has MU in as the 2nd last bid before yesterday's win.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 18, 2021, 01:03:02 PM
BRACKETOLOGY WITH MIKE DECOURCY HAS MARQUETTE AS A 10 SEED IN TODAY’S FOX COLLEGE HOOPS
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 18, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
BRACKETOLOGY WITH MIKE DECOURCY HAS MARQUETTE AS A 10 SEED IN TODAY’S FOX COLLEGE HOOPS

That's interesting because I'm pretty sure in his last update he didn't have Marquette in the field or even the first 8 out. All that's changed since then is winning at St. John's.

Just goes to show that some bracketologists are more scientific than others
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: tower912 on January 18, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
Optimism will not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: BM1090 on January 18, 2021, 03:15:41 PM
Jerry Palm has us in.

First four out in Lunardi's update today.

https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1351244512111325187/photo/1
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 18, 2021, 03:17:12 PM
Was it 13 wins or 13 games to qualify?
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: CountryRoads on January 18, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
Jerry Palm has us in.

First four out in Lunardi's update today.

https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1351244512111325187/photo/1

Wonder if it was Dukes huge 10 point win over 4-8 Notre Dame, their thrilling nail biting one point win over 3-10 Boston College, or their convincing 11 point win over 3-5 Wake Forest that warrants them inclusion in Lunardis bracket.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on January 18, 2021, 08:35:12 PM
Was it 13 wins or 13 games to qualify?

13 games to qualify.
Title: Re: Bracketology 2020-2021
Post by: shoothoops on January 19, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1351587468366196738?s=19

First Four out.