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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mileskishnish72 on April 17, 2020, 08:55:52 AM
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Given that we heard on many occasions last year that Theo had a problem with his hand or wrist (which apparently was supposed to account for at least some of his difficulty with handling the ball), I'm sort of concerned that we don't seem to be hearing anything about him this off-season as regards the status of that injury. No news is good news?
I guess it's kind of reassuring that they don't seem to have interest in acquiring another 5, which I don't think would be a bad idea since Theo occasionally gets fouls called on him. Any word on how he's doing?
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The same could be said of Koby and Greg. They are all home now since NY/BET.
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Elective surgeries have been postponed. And HIPPA. And right now we are a few weeks past the end of the season anyway. Patience.
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Elective surgeries have been postponed. And HIPPA. And right now we are a few weeks past the end of the season anyway. Patience.
I'd be surprised if the nba and ncaa wouldn't be able to get their guys in for surgery. Usually rich and powerful don't follow the same rules.
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Usually. But I am pretty sure only emergency surgeries have been taking place the last few weeks.
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Usually. But I am pretty sure only emergency surgeries have been taking place the last few weeks.
If Marquette's need for a healthy big isn't an emergency...well...I don't know what is. Ok, ok...maybe Marquette's need for point. But I think (hope) we got that hole filled.
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These determinations are made by the Doctors whether a surgery is considered essential or not.
With things starting to loosen up in some areas, it is conceivable that Theo and Koby could be having their surgeries in the next month and begin rehab immediately.
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That is my assumption as well.
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Patience.
Not my strong suit, Tower.
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We could use another big with Big East size body to backup Theo, Lewis
is listed at 6-8 and Osa looks like a rail. Cain and Bailey don't have it.
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We could use another big with Big East size body to backup Theo, Lewis
is listed at 6-8 and Osa looks like a rail. Cain and Bailey don't have it.
What is a Big East sized body? These were the measurements of the starting 5s from last season.
BU: Bryce Golden 6'9 245
CU: Christian Bishop 6'7 205
DE: Jaylen Butz 6'9 224
GT: Omer Yurtseven 7'0 264
MU: Theo John 6'9 255
PC: Kalif Young 6'9 250
SH: Romaro Gill 7'2 255
SJ: Josh Roberts 6'9 210
VN: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl 6'9 232
XA: Tyrique Jones 6'9 239
Dawson Garcia at 6'11 220 will be the primary backup for Theo. He would have been the third tallest starting center last season and in the middle (but on the low end) for weight. He's also measuring before getting to campus so it's conceivable that he will put on some muscle before then. Also, 4/6 biggest guys on this list aren't expected to be back next year and 1 of the 2 returning is Theo. Plus, the smallest guy on this list was the starter for the conference champs.
I don't disagree that it would be nice to have another big body, but I think the need for aircraft carrier type players is at an all time low. I think Theo, Garcia, and Lewis can cover the 5 effectively. Garcia, Bailey, Cain, Lewis, and Oso can cover the 4. I'm personally more worried about our guard depth.
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What is a Big East sized body? These were the measurements of the starting 5s from last season.
BU: Bryce Golden 6'9 245
CU: Christian Bishop 6'7 205
DE: Jaylen Butz 6'9 224
GT: Omer Yurtseven 7'0 264
MU: Theo John 6'9 255
PC: Kalif Young 6'9 250
SH: Romaro Gill 7'2 255
SJ: Josh Roberts 6'9 210
VN: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl 6'9 232
XA: Tyrique Jones 6'9 239
Dawson Garcia at 6'11 220 will be the primary backup for Theo. He would have been the third tallest starting center last season and in the middle (but on the low end) for weight. He's also measuring before getting to campus so it's conceivable that he will put on some muscle before then. Also, 4/6 biggest guys on this list aren't expected to be back next year and 1 of the 2 returning is Theo. Plus, the smallest guy on this list was the starter for the conference champs.
I don't disagree that it would be nice to have another big body, but I think the need for aircraft carrier type players is at an all time low. I think Theo, Garcia, and Lewis can cover the 5 effectively. Garcia, Bailey, Cain, Lewis, and Oso can cover the 4. I'm personally more worried about our guard depth.
Totally agree with this, and thanks for all the info.
Still, if this year's version of Jayce dropped in our laps, he would be most welcome.
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These determinations are made by the Doctors whether a surgery is considered essential or not.
With things starting to loosen up in some areas, it is conceivable that Theo and Koby could be having their surgeries in the next month and begin rehab immediately.
Maybe I missed it, but what does koby need surgery for?
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Maybe I missed it, but what does koby need surgery for?
Broken shot
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I guess your right about the guard depth. I still want Mane and forgot
that Bailey can't dribble. (Was brought up during the season on a blog)
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Maybe I missed it, but what does koby need surgery for?
Thumb
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Given that we heard on many occasions last year that Theo had a problem with his hand or wrist (which apparently was supposed to account for at least some of his difficulty with handling the ball),
On multiple broadcasts they said Theo was playing with a torn ligament in his hand, making it really hard to grip things
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Elective surgeries have been postponed. And HIPPA. And right now we are a few weeks past the end of the season anyway. Patience.
Neither HIPPA (wat) nor HIPAA have anything to do with it. Smh
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On multiple broadcasts they said Theo was playing with a torn ligament in his hand, making it really hard to grip things
That would actually explain a lot.
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Theo posted on his instagram story, a pic of him after surgery today
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On multiple broadcasts they said Theo was playing with a torn ligament in his hand, making it really hard to grip things
We've had some tough guys on our teams in the past and still do. Koby and Theo and Marcus all playing hurt, which I do understand is how it works in basketball on all teams.
One difference under Wojo seems to be that you don't hear people bring up injuries as an excuse nor as an explenation. Our other coaches didn't make a point of bringing it up, but they seemed to so when things weren't going well. Not so much as an excuse, but as an explanation. That seems to be different to me under Wojo, but then again he seems to run a pretty tight ship when it comes to info including recruiting info compared to his predecessors.
Heck, for most of us scoop posters with hand injuries, it would be too much pain to come to scoop and type out our BS. Or at least be complaining about not being able to type and eat at the same time.
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Heck, for most of us scoop posters with hand injuries, it would be too much pain to come to scoop and type out our BS.
I'd give you the finger for that comment, but my arthritis is acting up.
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Goo, apparently you haven’t had the displeasure of visiting dodds’ board. He can’t go for more than a sentence w/o chalking up poor performance to any imaginable malady. As if MU is the only team that’s ever experienced an injury or ache and pain
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Theo was able to get his surgery done today.
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Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
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With Theo John having surgery, here are updates on other Marquette injuries: Greg Elliott (right ankle) had surgery in April and Koby McEwen (right thumb) has rehabbed and will not have surgery. All players expected to be ready for whenever season starts. #mubb
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Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
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With Theo John having surgery, here are updates on other Marquette injuries: Greg Elliott (right ankle) had surgery in April and Koby McEwen (right thumb) has rehabbed and will not have surgery. All players expected to be ready for whenever season starts. #mubb
That’s good to hear. A little surprised on Koby.
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Goo, apparently you haven’t had the displeasure of visiting dodds’ board. He can’t go for more than a sentence w/o chalking up poor performance to any imaginable malady. As if MU is the only team that’s ever experienced an injury or ache and pain
Dodds might think he's part of the team, but he isn't. GOO specifically was talking about Wojo and his assistants, I think.
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
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15m
With Theo John having surgery, here are updates on other Marquette injuries: Greg Elliott (right ankle) had surgery in April and Koby McEwen (right thumb) has rehabbed and will not have surgery. All players expected to be ready for whenever season starts. #mubb
Good to hear all are on the mend. I assume Koby got a significant amount of medical advice, and sometimes surgery isn't the best course of action.
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Totally agree with this, and thanks for all the info.
Still, if this year's version of Jayce dropped in our laps, he would be most welcome.
Let’s redefine from is big to plays like a big and creates a presence like one.
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Bold prediction: Theo is the most improved player in the Big East next year
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Theo doesn’t have to wear his brace on his wrist anymore it looks like on his instagram story. Says “big day” and it’s a picture of him holding his wrist brace
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Unbold prediction: Theo is the same player he's been the past three years. (And that's not bad!)
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Unbold prediction: Theo is the same player he's been the past three years. (And that's not bad!)
If the hand is healthy, I think we'll see him be a little more aggressive around the hoop than he was last season. But generally speaking, I agree.
Still don't quite understand why Wojo didn't pursue a grad transfer or waiver big. I think relying on Theo to both stay healthy and be able to stay on the court for anything more than 20 minutes a game is a mistake. But I guess the staff is cooling rolling with the young guys as backup 5s.
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Gotta pretty much agree across the board, 5J. I'm hoping whatever was done will allow him to hold onto the rock better.
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Theo would have had no problem seeing more minutes last year, except for the first half of the year we were running three bigs, and the second half, Jayce was playing well most games. Also while it seems like Theo's hand/wrist have been hurt a lot, it hasn't caused him to miss any games, and mostly affected his offensive game. Considering his impact is mostly defensively, I'm not overly concerned. I expect to see Theo getting between 25 and 30 mpg. Rolling with the Freshman for 10-15 isn't a problem IMO. The larger concern is depth in 21-22 once Theo leaves.
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If the hand is healthy, I think we'll see him be a little more aggressive around the hoop than he was last season. But generally speaking, I agree.
Still don't quite understand why Wojo didn't pursue a grad transfer or waiver big. I think relying on Theo to both stay healthy and be able to stay on the court for anything more than 20 minutes a game is a mistake. But I guess the staff is cooling rolling with the young guys as backup 5s.
Speaking of him being aggressive by the rim, did anyone else notice how he’d always grab the net when going up for a block? I can’t believe he never got called for it. Seemed like he did it multiple times a game.
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Theo would have had no problem seeing more minutes last year, except for the first half of the year we were running three bigs, and the second half, Jayce was playing well most games. Also while it seems like Theo's hand/wrist have been hurt a lot, it hasn't caused him to miss any games, and mostly affected his offensive game. Considering his impact is mostly defensively, I'm not overly concerned. I expect to see Theo getting between 25 and 30 mpg. Rolling with the Freshman for 10-15 isn't a problem IMO. The larger concern is depth in 21-22 once Theo leaves.
An expectation of up to 30 mpg for Theo? Wow—-I have seen Theo play every game of his college career and I would be absolutely shocked if TJ got 30 mpg.
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An expectation of up to 30 mpg for Theo? Wow—-I have seen Theo play every game of his college career and I would be absolutely shocked if TJ got 30 mpg.
Who else gonna play?
To be fair, I said 25-30, and I don't think a 4-9 mpg bump is that large considering Jayce's 15 mpg, and Ed's 12 mpg are both gone. I know everyone expects big things from the Freshman, but throwing them into the deep end from the get go is how you get February level Joey.
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They will be creative out of necessity.
Because you don’t know who it is in early July, doesn’t mean that it’s TJ.
Fouls have been and will continue to be an issue for him.
Hey, I’d love to see 30 mpg.....but it ain’t happening captain.
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They will be creative out of necessity.
Because you don’t know who it is in early July, doesn’t mean that it’s TJ.
Fouls have been and will continue to be an issue for him.
Hey, I’d love to see 30 mpg.....but it ain’t happening captain.
Over-exaggerated issue based on Freshman and Sophomore year. Theo averaged 5.2 fouls per 40 last year. Not only was that better than Jayce, it was better than any season Jayce had. Theo's fouls per 40 have steadily dropped every year. If that continues to be the case, partially because he has even more experience about knowing when to go for a block and when not to (supported by his block numbers being down last year compared to his Sophomore year), as well as the idea that Wojo can and should tell him to hold back a bit because he would know that he doesn't have 2 proven high major players behind him, then there is no reason that he can't average 25-30 mpg.
Also, look at the games where he got his season low in minutes played bringing down his average. 7 minutes against StJ, 1 foul. 8 min @ CU, 0 fouls. Take those 2 out and he probably averages 22-23 mpg last year, a 2-7 mpg increase is even more plausible. Yes he did foul out 4 times during the year and have several others with 4, but the idea that he's always in foul trouble is way overblown.
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Never said ALWAYS in foul trouble.
We will see(hopefully) if TJ gets close to 30 mpg as you expect.
As I said, I don’t see it happening at all.
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Who else gonna play?
To be fair, I said 25-30, and I don't think a 4-9 mpg bump is that large considering Jayce's 15 mpg, and Ed's 12 mpg are both gone. I know everyone expects big things from the Freshman, but throwing them into the deep end from the get go is how you get February level Joey.
You forget that he is going to be on the bench a lot in the first half with two fouls.
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You forget that he is going to be on the bench a lot in the first half with two fouls.
Define "a lot". Theo had 14 games (roughly half) where he only had 2 fouls or less the entire game. Again, his foul trouble's are overblown based on his Freshman and Sophomore year (when they were a much bigger problem).
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So, if TJ is the only 5....and therefore will be called upon to play significant minutes at that position.....your expectation of him to keep his fouls in check seems like a lofty goal.
If TJ plays 30 mpg, I would certainly think his D will suffer in order to keep him on the floor. We saw a less aggressive Theo at times last year when both he and JJ were accumulating fouls.
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So, if TJ is the only 5....and therefore will be called upon to play significant minutes at that position.....your expectation of him to keep his fouls in check seems like a lofty goal.
If TJ plays 30 mpg, I would certainly think his D will suffer in order to keep him on the floor. We saw a less aggressive Theo at times last year when both he and JJ were accumulating fouls.
That's certainly a possibility. The question is, is Theo playing reserved D better than a Freshman going out there and being completely lost?
Think back to Theo's Freshman year, he committed a ton of fouls in very few minutes. Sophomore year he committed a ton of fouls in significantly more minutes. JR year, minutes increased while fouls drop. You know how scoop loves trends. Predicting fouls to stay similar with an increase in minutes certainly seems to fit.
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Define "a lot". Theo had 14 games (roughly half) where he only had 2 fouls or less the entire game. Again, his foul trouble's are overblown based on his Freshman and Sophomore year (when they were a much bigger problem).
The amazing thing is once Morrow left, Theo stopped fouling. The only explanation I can see is he started playing less aggressively. It is hard to remember, but I think he started getting less fouls on setting bad picks. I think Wojo told him to play less aggressively, when Morrow left.
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The amazing thing is once Morrow left, Theo stopped fouling. The only explanation I can see is he started playing less aggressively. It is hard to remember, but I think he started getting less fouls on sitting bad picks. I think Wojo told him to play less aggressively, when Morrow left.
This is my point exactly. When the depth dropped, so did the aggressiveness. Now that the depth is even less, expect another drop (also consider that while Markus's bad D was another overblown issues based on years previous DJ is bigger, stronger, and supposed to be a better defender, less penetration mean less times for Theo to go for the block and foul/be out of position).