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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: HouWarrior on March 27, 2020, 03:54:22 AM
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This thread is set aside for stories/updates on how the COVID pandemic has or will affect you personally, or your loved ones. This is not intended to be for trends, statistics, or governmental issues...this thing will affect us personally...we will need each other...its share and lean on others time
Over this weekend, my sister lost her 70 yr old husband to massive lung complications resulting from his COVID infection. As gatherings are frowned on...there will be no funeral...he will be cremated. Of course she doesn't show symptoms, but she has been asked to self quarantine. A new widow required to sit alone in her empty home. I can only call her daily.
Locally, my Son in Law is the Manager/Head Sommelier at a high end Galleria restaurant. He was furloughed as the place (along with entire chain of 9 locations) has been closed. A few days ago, he got word the owner/founder of the place is hospitalized with COVID. Obviously, if the owner passes, no one would blame his family for closing the chain and liquidating his estate...Son in Law may be out forever. My daughter/three grandbabies depend on him. Ouch
Hards, JayBee and others have noted personal stuff already...lets post them here....and bring this thing to its most personal level...Soon, we will need each other more than we currently realize.
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Parents aren't sick, and their boat met up with another boat last night for 'supplies'. The passengers were given masks with dinner. The hallways were sprayed last night.
So much for the stomach flu. According to my WhatsApp my mother hasn't looked at her messages since last night when the boats met up.
I absolutely disgusted by the entire situation. Broward county is voting today whether or not they are allowing the ship to dock when it gets to Ft. Lauderdale. So they may be stuck on a zombie ship for God knows how long.
I should have mentioned that the ship they are on is the Holland America Zaandam.
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Three dear family friends positive with it. All three are retired nurses who were trying to be as sterile as possible.
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I think I posted earlier this week but my wife and mother-in-law lost a friend to Coronavirus. One of the first 5 victims reported in Connecticut.
She was retired in her 70's, was a smoker and apparently volunteered in nursing homes.
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I don't mean to be a downer, but news is that there are 4 dead on the Zaandam. Parents do not appear to be sick.
Word today is that the healthy people (determined by temp) will be moved to the sister ship that is anchored nearby. Priority is for people in interior rooms, and over 70. So luckily my parents fit the bill so far. Getting on the new ship doesn't guarantee anything of course.
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I don't mean to be a downer, but news is that there are 4 dead on the Zaandam. Parents do not appear to be sick.
Word today is that the healthy people (determined by temp) will be moved to the sister ship that is anchored nearby. Priority is for people in interior rooms, and over 70. So luckily my parents fit the bill so far. Getting on the new ship doesn't guarantee anything of course.
The news made USA today. Wish the best for your folks, hards.
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I don't mean to be a downer, but news is that there are 4 dead on the Zaandam. Parents do not appear to be sick.
Word today is that the healthy people (determined by temp) will be moved to the sister ship that is anchored nearby. Priority is for people in interior rooms, and over 70. So luckily my parents fit the bill so far. Getting on the new ship doesn't guarantee anything of course.
I wish the best for your parents, Hards.
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Hards
Sending prayers for a safe and healthy return home for your folks
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Thanks guys, I know we don't always see eye to eye, but thanks for your thoughts.
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Thanks guys, I know we don't always see eye to eye, but thanks for your thoughts.
And prayers. ;)
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Likewise Bro, we all share in the Marquette family, hey?
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And prayers. ;)
At this point, I won't turn anything away really.
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Thinking about you, Hards, and hoping for a great outcome.
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Hards
Hoping/praying for the good news that your folks are safely home soon.
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Hards, any update? Praying for you.
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Hards, any update? Praying for you.
The transfers to the new boat are done, they're awaiting orders. Or as I like to put it, wasting more time.
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I don't mean to be a downer, but news is that there are 4 dead on the Zaandam. Parents do not appear to be sick.
Word today is that the healthy people (determined by temp) will be moved to the sister ship that is anchored nearby. Priority is for people in interior rooms, and over 70. So luckily my parents fit the bill so far. Getting on the new ship doesn't guarantee anything of course.
Prayers to your family
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The transfers to the new boat are done, they're awaiting orders. Or as I like to put it, wasting more time.
Will the new ship be able to transit the Panama Canal?
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Will the new ship be able to transit the Panama Canal?
That is the hope.
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Just heard that a guy I umpire with has it, and he's in the ICU right now. He's younger than me, and I don't know if he's got any underlying conditions, but he is quite overweight so maybe there's something.
Really good guy, and I sure hope he pulls through and comes out of it without serious damage to his lungs or anything else.
First person I've actually known who has it. Very sad.
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Just heard that a guy I umpire with has it, and he's in the ICU right now. He's younger than me, and I don't know if he's got any underlying conditions, but he is quite overweight so maybe there's something.
Really good guy, and I sure hope he pulls through and comes out of it without serious damage to his lungs or anything else.
First person I've actually known who has it. Very sad.
Thoughts for your buddy
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Just heard that a guy I umpire with has it, and he's in the ICU right now. He's younger than me, and I don't know if he's got any underlying conditions, but he is quite overweight so maybe there's something.
Really good guy, and I sure hope he pulls through and comes out of it without serious damage to his lungs or anything else.
First person I've actually known who has it. Very sad.
I do recall hearing somewhere that obesity is a risk factor.
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2/3 family friends doing much better.
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A co-worker has it. He left Wednesday morning, had a test on Thursday, and got the positive result Friday evening. (We were still going into the building up until Saturday). He's 65 and seems to be in decent-enough health, but that's still very, very scary.
I feel selfish for worrying about myself at a time like this, but waiting to find out if I'm sick is turning me into Jackson Nicholson-in-The Shining-crazy. I last saw the infected on Wednesday, so in about two hours it'll be 5 days since I was in the same room as him. I keep reading the average incubation period is right around now.
This has made me a little crazy, but physically nothing to worry about. I've yet to have any fever, and you wouldn't believe me if I told you how often I've been checking. I don't think I've had any shortness of breath, but if you lay in bed and wonder if you're having breathing problems, you'll eventually have breathing problems.
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I do recall hearing somewhere that obesity is a risk factor.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2328804-veel-patienten-op-ic-met-overgewicht-maar-ga-nu-niet-te-streng-dieten.html
If you have a translator in your browser, 80% of Covid19 patients in ICUs in the Netherlands are obese. A comment on the article said its 70% in UK, but I can't confirm that news.
Wouldn't surprise me, though.
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A co-worker has it. He left Wednesday morning, had a test on Thursday, and got the positive result Friday evening. (We were still going into the building up until Saturday). He's 65 and seems to be in decent-enough health, but that's still very, very scary.
I feel selfish for worrying about myself at a time like this, but waiting to find out if I'm sick is turning me into Jackson Nicholson-in-The Shining-crazy. I last saw the infected on Wednesday, so in about two hours it'll be 5 days since I was in the same room as him. I keep reading the average incubation period is right around now.
This has made me a little crazy, but physically nothing to worry about. I've yet to have any fever, and you wouldn't believe me if I told you how often I've been checking. I don't think I've had any shortness of breath, but if you lay in bed and wonder if you're having breathing problems, you'll eventually have breathing problems.
You shouldn't, I'm sure you have people that depend on you, and it can be scary to think about what happens to them if you're out of commission for a little while.
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Parents aren't sick, and their boat met up with another boat last night for 'supplies'. The passengers were given masks with dinner. The hallways were sprayed last night.
So much for the stomach flu. According to my WhatsApp my mother hasn't looked at her messages since last night when the boats met up.
I absolutely disgusted by the entire situation. Broward county is voting today whether or not they are allowing the ship to dock when it gets to Ft. Lauderdale. So they may be stuck on a zombie ship for God knows how long.
I should have mentioned that the ship they are on is the Holland America Zaandam.
I just saw on CNN that the Zaandam is transiting the canal, so hopefully so is the new ship.
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I just saw on CNN that the Zaandam is transiting the canal, so hopefully so is the new ship.
Both ships are through at this point. Next hard step will be getting Florida to let them dock. You would think that shouldn't be a problem, but of course it is.
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2328804-veel-patienten-op-ic-met-overgewicht-maar-ga-nu-niet-te-streng-dieten.html
If you have a translator in your browser, 80% of Covid19 patients in ICUs in the Netherlands are obese. A comment on the article said its 70% in UK, but I can't confirm that news.
Wouldn't surprise me, though.
That's really bad news for the US of A
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I am not accusing anyone on this board of this, but it is kinda killing me to see all of these comments online about people who are dying or in ICU..."oh, well they had asthma" or "yeah but they are in their 70s."
Old people and people with prexisting conditions are still people. Their deaths matter as much as a healthy person's death.
I know it is probably an internal coping mechanism to help healthy people feel better about their chances, but it really doesn't change the gravity of the situation we are in.
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Both ships are through at this point. Next hard step will be getting Florida to let them dock. You would think that shouldn't be a problem, but of course it is.
Can they use Abbott's new test in this situation?
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I am not accusing anyone on this board of this, but it is kinda killing me to see all of these comments online about people who are dying or in ICU..."oh, well they had asthma" or "yeah but they are in their 70s."
Old people and people with prexisting conditions are still people. Their deaths matter as much as a healthy person's death.
I know it is probably an internal coping mechanism to help healthy people feel better about their chances, but it really doesn't change the gravity of the situation we are in.
I am seeing more and more of this too, Coleman. Some even using "only" in front of 100,000 possible deaths.
And you know that many of these folks believe that a one-day fetus must be protected at all costs because, you know, all life is precious.
Sadly, as is the case with many things, this will only hit people in the you-know-where when somebody they love dies. It's a shame that it has to come down to that.
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I am seeing more and more of this too, Coleman. Some even using "only" in front of 100,000 possible deaths.
And you know that many of these folks believe that a one-day fetus must be protected at all costs because, you know, all life is precious.
Sadly, as is the case with many things, this will only hit people in the you-know-where when somebody they love dies. It's a shame that it has to come down to that.
I think it’s just human nature and a way to help explain the numbers. It’s much scarier if 80% of people in ICU are perfectly healthy and of all ages. It’s still a tragedy for each person who dies, but it is a way to cope knowing it’s unlikely to happen to me.
I think the 100K relief comes from the fact that 1 million deaths has been thrown around for the US. In comparison, 100K is good news. However, it’s still very sad that 100k will die.
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I am seeing more and more of this too, Coleman. Some even using "only" in front of 100,000 possible deaths.
And you know that many of these folks believe that a one-day fetus must be protected at all costs because, you know, all life is precious.
Sadly, as is the case with many things, this will only hit people in the you-know-where when somebody they love dies. It's a shame that it has to come down to that.
I think this is a basic psychological response to lessen the impact on the individual. People are afraid, if they can lessen the fear, by a rationalization it gives them the ability to deny their reality.
Denial is a coping mechanism.
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Both ships are through at this point. Next hard step will be getting Florida to let them dock. You would think that shouldn't be a problem, but of course it is.
I would like to apologize for our Florida governor who is doing everything he can to prevent this. He is doing everything he can to make Florida’s numbers look better and keeping businesses open, no matter the human cost.
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I would like to apologize for our Florida governor who is doing everything he can to prevent this. He is doing everything he can to make Florida’s numbers look better and keeping businesses open, no matter the human cost.
I think the worst optics of it all is that beaches are open, and they won't let two cruise ships dock... like wtf is that logic?
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I think the worst optics of it all is that beaches are open, and they won't let two cruise ships dock... like wtf is that logic?
I get the logic, it’s just flawed and fallacious.
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I think the worst optics of it all is that beaches are open, and they won't let two cruise ships dock... like wtf is that logic?
Sadly, our governor won't issue a statewide lock down. It is up to each county/city to determine and enforce. So you have a wide variety of situations. In South Florida, no one is allowed on the beaches. Panhandle in some places and other more', um conservative places, it is a free for all or not at all enforced.
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I do recall hearing somewhere that obesity is a risk factor.
Obesity frequently causes respiratory difficulties, so perhaps obese people who weren't symptomatic before contracting COVID were close to the edge, and then got pushed over....
Just a theory....
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health-topics/obesity-hypoventilation-syndrome
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I really wish we had widespread testing.
I have zero symptoms and am probably fine, but I am having movers/packers into my home in 2 weeks. After that, I will be going to live with my in-laws who are in their 60s and have some medical issues.
It sure would be nice to know I am not infected before going to their house.
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I really wish we had widespread testing.
I have zero symptoms and am probably fine, but I am having movers/packers into my home in 2 weeks. After that, I will be going to live with my in-laws who are in their 60s and have some medical issues.
It sure would be nice to know I am not infected before going to their house.
It's far from ideal, but maybe you or someone you know could make a homemade mask to wear while interacting with the movers. They certainly aren't as effective as commercial N95 masks, but some data suggest they are probably better than nothing. Here is a peer-reviewed study out of the Netherlands from 2008 (not specific to COVID-19, of course, but suggestive that it could still help):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/
And of course, wash your hands often and ask that the movers do the same.
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It's far from ideal, but maybe you or someone you know could make a homemade mask to wear while interacting with the movers. They certainly aren't as effective as commercial N95 masks, but some data suggest they are probably better than nothing. Here is a peer-reviewed study out of the Netherlands from 2008 (not specific to COVID-19, of course, but suggestive that it could still help):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/
And of course, wash your hands often and ask that the movers do the same.
Have a conversation with the company beforehand to see what safeguards they have in place already. They likely have this thought through.
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Daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Out of masks. Now using homemade masks that they take home every night and clean themselves.
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Daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Out of masks. Now using homemade masks that they take home every night and clean themselves.
I'm sure I join the many who appreciate your daughter's courage, service and work ethic, and who hope she comes out of this A-OK.
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Daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Out of masks. Now using homemade masks that they take home every night and clean themselves.
Where have been you tower?
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Lenten resolution. Just broke it for this update. See you April 13.
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Wife and I both work in hospitals in Madison. Had close friends tested, but no positives yet. Feel super anxious before going to work and calm/ peaceful when I’m there, like getting in the zone. Waiting for a ramp up, if there is one.
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Story on MPR News today about a couple from Ely, MN who are on the Zaandam with Hards' parents.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/03/31/minnesota-couple-fights-illness-and-waits-for-cruise-to-end-after-fellow-passengers-die?fbclid=IwAR0th3xE2HU15uJpYShZ0sVKuoFfa17sTfPBMgYoSXeEviXod-o3GQp8jj0
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There are American citizens on the ship. Why isn't the Navy airlifting them to a quarantined area? Now the governor says he will not allow them off the ship in Florida. He had no problem with letting kids come down for spring break. He encouraged them to spread the disease all around the country, but now he wants to play tough guy with senior citizens?
Criminal!
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There are American citizens on the ship. Why isn't the Navy airlifting them to a quarantined area? Now the governor says he will not allow them off the ship in Florida. He had no problem with letting kids come down for spring break. He encouraged them to spread the disease all around the country, but now he wants to play tough guy with senior citizens?
Criminal!
Not only that, FL still doesn't have a stay at home order in place. So while these people can't even get off the boat to a quarantined area, millions of possibly infected people can wander free. That will kill a heck of a lot more Floridians than a few people moved from a boat to quarantine.
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Wife and I both work in hospitals in Madison. Had close friends tested, but no positives yet. Feel super anxious before going to work and calm/ peaceful when I’m there, like getting in the zone. Waiting for a ramp up, if there is one.
chick jr., who works as a charge nurse at St. Luke's, has been remarkably calm about the whole crisis. She'd rather treat a person with Covid-19 than someone with scabies or bedbugs.
Everyone gets wigged out by different things.
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Not only that, FL still doesn't have a stay at home order in place. So while these people can't even get off the boat to a quarantined area, millions of possibly infected people can wander free. That will kill a heck of a lot more Floridians than a few people moved from a boat to quarantine.
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The governor also said that he wants to save Florida hospital beds for Floridians. Which is morally suspect on a number of levels.
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The governor also said that he wants to save Florida hospital beds for Floridians. Which is morally suspect on a number of levels.
Morally suspect, and also likely impossible to enforce. Frontline healthcare providers are trained to triage patients based on medical need and likelihood of benefit...not geography. It will be hard enough for them to turn away elderly patients or those with significant comorbidities, but I just can't any doctor or nurse turning away an otherwise healthy 35-year old with a good prognosis for recovery, just because he happens to reside in another state.
And then there are the legal implications. Just off the top of my head, it raises potential malpractice and licensure issues for providers, JCAHO accreditation issues for the hospital, and Medicare reimbursement issues for both.
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Morally suspect, and also likely impossible to enforce. Frontline healthcare providers are trained to triage patients based on medical need and likelihood of benefit...not geography. It will be hard enough for them to turn away elderly patients or those with significant comorbidities, but I just can't any doctor or nurse turning away an otherwise healthy 35-year old with a good prognosis for recovery, just because he happens to reside in another state.
And then there are the legal implications. Just off the top of my head, it raises potential malpractice and licensure issues for providers, JCAHO accreditation issues for the hospital, and Medicare reimbursement issues for both.
EMTALA requires by law any person entering any ED, receive standard treatment.
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EMTALA requires by law any person entering any ED, receive standard treatment.
I hate when medical people refer to ER's as ED. I get it, it's not just a room but come on. We had agreed it was an ER. Just like we agreed we were Warriors. Name changed never work. Except for Juan Toscano.
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chick jr., who works as a charge nurse at St. Luke's, has been remarkably calm about the whole crisis. She'd rather treat a person with Covid-19 than someone with scabies or bedbugs.
Everyone gets wigged out by different things.
eff bedbugs. Chick Jr. is smart.
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I hate when medical people refer to ER's as ED. I get it, it's not just a room but come on. We had agreed it was an ER. Just like we agreed we were Warriors. Name changed never work. Except for Juan Toscano.
Ha, correct, but at least you know who knows what they are talking about.
chick jr., who works as a charge nurse at St. Luke's, has been remarkably calm about the whole crisis. She'd rather treat a person with Covid-19 than someone with scabies or bedbugs.
Everyone gets wigged out by different things.
Agree, I miss most about work is casual conversations between everyone, just sitting around getting through our days. Not so much doing that right now.
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Hards, sorry about our gov.
DeSantis says he’ll order a rescue from stranded cruise ship — but only the people from Florida
DeSantis plans to rescue only the 49 Floridians on the ship. None of the other 1,200 passengers on board — including the 250 Americans from other states and the 400 Canadians — will be rescued.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/desantis-says-hell-order-a-rescue-from-stranded-cruise-ship-but-only-the-people-from-florida/
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Hards, sorry about our gov.
DeSantis says he’ll order a rescue from stranded cruise ship — but only the people from Florida
DeSantis plans to rescue only the 49 Floridians on the ship. None of the other 1,200 passengers on board — including the 250 Americans from other states and the 400 Canadians — will be rescued.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/desantis-says-hell-order-a-rescue-from-stranded-cruise-ship-but-only-the-people-from-florida/
Wow. That’s something.
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Hards, sorry about our gov.
DeSantis says he’ll order a rescue from stranded cruise ship — but only the people from Florida
DeSantis plans to rescue only the 49 Floridians on the ship. None of the other 1,200 passengers on board — including the 250 Americans from other states and the 400 Canadians — will be rescued.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/desantis-says-hell-order-a-rescue-from-stranded-cruise-ship-but-only-the-people-from-florida/
No need to apologize. Honestly, I think they'll let the people off who are NOT sick, and have travel plans in order. The idea being that they can get the 'healthy' people out of state asap.
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Maybe a law talking guy can explain how a governor can prevent people from entering his state.
I get it .. it's a foreign travelled vessel with passengers from many states/countries, but I'd think the US Customs office would be in charge of who gets into the country or not.
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Maybe a law talking guy can explain how a governor can prevent people from entering his state.
I get it .. it's a foreign travelled vessel with passengers from many states/countries, but I'd think the US Customs office would be in charge of who gets into the country or not.
Just a guess...but I wouldn’t be surprised if POTUS’ declaration of a state of emergency resulted in governors getting broader authority than they would ordinarily have...and they are probably defined vaguely enough to give him the argument that he has the power to do this.
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Looks like the Zaandam passengers who are not currently sick will be allowed to disembark at Port Everglades and go home. Sounds like great news for your parents, Hards!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/holland-america-cruise-ships-florida/index.html
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Looks like the Zaandam passengers who are not currently sick will be allowed to disembark at Port Everglades and go home. Sounds like great news for your parents, Hards!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/holland-america-cruise-ships-florida/index.html
It is great news. They moved to the Rotterdam a few days ago with the other 'healthy' people. My parents are hoping to get off the boat tomorrow morning and onto a plane back to Wisconsin. Hopefully, they will be home by tomorrow afternoon or evening. But then again, nothing about this has been easy, so I'll be taking the wait and see approach.
Hoping for a swift conclusion to all of this.
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Great news. Hope they are healthy and happy. Bet they will be glad to be home.
If you are close by, perhaps you could stock their house with basics.
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Really hoping they are back safe tomorrow.
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First, let me join those rooting for Hards' parents.
As for another "close to home" situation ...
I am not friends with Adam Schlesinger. Never met him. But I've been a big Fountains of Wayne fan for years, and I was both saddened and shocked to read he had died.
And this paragraph of an article about his death definitely hits "close to home":
The 52-year-old Grammy-winning songwriter had no underlying medical issues and appeared healthy just three weeks before his death at an upstate New York hospital, friends and colleagues told The Post.
Schlesinger was not obese and apparently did not have asthma, lung disease, diabetes, etc. In other words, he was a healthy 52-year-old, and this effen virus killed him anyway.
If that doesn't open the eyes of some folks, who think "only" old people, obese people and others who "aren't like us" are dying from this thing, I don't know what will.
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Schlesinger was not obese and apparently did not have asthma, lung disease, diabetes, etc. In other words, he was a healthy 52-year-old, and this effen virus killed him anyway.
If that doesn't open the eyes of some folks, who think "only" old people, obese people and others who "aren't like us" are dying from this thing, I don't know what will.
Yep. Old age and several illnesses can increase the risk, but this virus can kill anyone. And it spreads like wildfire, even from asymptomatic carriers. Anyone who could stay home but doesn’t is needlessly risking their own lives...and the lives of people they might spread it to if they become infected.
STAY HOME PEOPLE!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/begged-parents-not-holland-america-155951230.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/begged-parents-not-holland-america-155951230.html)
Hards?
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First, let me join those rooting for Hards' parents.
As for another "close to home" situation ...
I am not friends with Adam Schlesinger. Never met him. But I've been a big Fountains of Wayne fan for years, and I was both saddened and shocked to read he had died.
And this paragraph of an article about his death definitely hits "close to home":
The 52-year-old Grammy-winning songwriter had no underlying medical issues and appeared healthy just three weeks before his death at an upstate New York hospital, friends and colleagues told The Post.
Schlesinger was not obese and apparently did not have asthma, lung disease, diabetes, etc. In other words, he was a healthy 52-year-old, and this effen virus killed him anyway.
If that doesn't open the eyes of some folks, who think "only" old people, obese people and others who "aren't like us" are dying from this thing, I don't know what will.
I was reading about Chris Cuomo at CNN. He was sharing his ongoing experience.
He had such a bad fever he was hallucinating. He saw his deceased father, Mario.
He had the fever shakes so bad he chipped a tooth.
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I am not friends with Adam Schlesinger. Never met him. But I've been a big Fountains of Wayne fan for years, and I was both saddened and shocked to read he had died.
Radiation Vibe was an absolute anthem for our group of friends in college. We had two friends who got out of their res life agreement for sophomore year and got a place at Kensington (915 N 15th). Being a rare sophomore apt they had an inordinate amount of parties. Each night peaked when the FoW CD was cued up. So sad.
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Hards?
Ha, your link is busted, but I didn't write this, though it seems like this guy's experience is almost exactly like mine.
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Radiation Vibe was an absolute anthem for our group of friends in college. We had two friends who got out of their res life agreement for sophomore year and got a place at Kensington (915 N 15th). Being a rare sophomore apt they had an inordinate amount of parties. Each night peaked when the FoW CD was cued up. So sad.
They did plenty of good work after it, but that debut album was sensational. I love the way Radiation Vibe ends!
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Hey Julie is one of my favorite songs.
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I know this girl named Denise
She makes me weak at the knees
She drives a lavender Lexus
She lives in Queens
But her dad lives in Texas
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I heard she used to be married
She listens to Puff Daddy
She works at Liberty Travel
She has a heart made of gravel
Loved that band.
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Hey Julie is one of my favorite songs.
Agree 1000%
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My daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Maryland passed a new emergency standard for PPE and patient interaction. Her facility lacked the necessary PPE required to meet the new standard. Yesterday, the 24 year old led her co workers in their discussions with the facility management since the OTs could be fined and jailed and lose their licences if they failed to comply.
Today, they have all the gowns and masks they need and she volunteered for the Covid recovery wing in their facility.
Feeling pretty good as a dad right now.
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My daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Maryland passed a new emergency standard for PPE and patient interaction. Her facility lacked the necessary PPE required to meet the new standard. Yesterday, the 24 year old led her co workers in their discussions with the facility management since the OTs could be fined and jailed and lose their licences if they failed to comply.
Today, they have all the gowns and masks they need and she volunteered for the Covid recovery wing in their facility.
Feeling pretty good as a dad right now.
As you should! That's awesome
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My 13 year old son has a classmate who has it (her dad is a doctor and also has it). She told my son, “it is low key the worst pain I have ever felt.”
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My daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Maryland passed a new emergency standard for PPE and patient interaction. Her facility lacked the necessary PPE required to meet the new standard. Yesterday, the 24 year old led her co workers in their discussions with the facility management since the OTs could be fined and jailed and lose their licences if they failed to comply.
Today, they have all the gowns and masks they need and she volunteered for the Covid recovery wing in their facility.
Feeling pretty good as a dad right now.
Proud papa.
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My daughter is an occupational therapist in suburban Baltimore. Maryland passed a new emergency standard for PPE and patient interaction. Her facility lacked the necessary PPE required to meet the new standard. Yesterday, the 24 year old led her co workers in their discussions with the facility management since the OTs could be fined and jailed and lose their licences if they failed to comply.
Today, they have all the gowns and masks they need and she volunteered for the Covid recovery wing in their facility.
Feeling pretty good as a dad right now.
As well you should. She learned valuable lessons about service for others from her Pop.
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I am most proud of her participating in her first work stoppage for a cause. ;D
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It is great news. They moved to the Rotterdam a few days ago with the other 'healthy' people. My parents are hoping to get off the boat tomorrow morning and onto a plane back to Wisconsin. Hopefully, they will be home by tomorrow afternoon or evening. But then again, nothing about this has been easy, so I'll be taking the wait and see approach.
Hoping for a swift conclusion to all of this.
I realize that it's really none of our business, Hards, but I've been wondering...
Hoping all is well.
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I realize that it's really none of our business, Hards, but I've been wondering...
Hoping all is well.
They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
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They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
Good news.
Appleton, home of my sister factory.
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They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
Great news, Hards.
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Great news, Hards.
Yerrrrrr
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They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
Cheers, hards.
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They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
Genuinely happy for you HA! Never underestimate the power of scoop prayers
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They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
Fantastic! So glad to hear that.
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They're back home, and healthy. Mom is sewing masks, Dad is (hopefully) working on the bar that is going in my basement.
They had to drive from MN because the flights to Appleton kept getting cancelled. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. ;D
Super news, Hards!
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Mrs. Reinko's uncle on Long Island, 70, diabetic, just came off ventilator after about 7 days, still disoriented, but his #s trending in the right direction...🙏
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Mrs. Reinko's uncle on Long Island, 70, diabetic, just came off ventilator after about 7 days, still disoriented, but his #s trending in the right direction...🙏
Awesome news. Getting off a ventilator is a big deal.
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Awesome news. Getting off a ventilator is a big deal.
It certainly is. Sounds like docs are getting a handle on how to treat this more effectively as they see more patients. Hopefully, that causes the rates of ICU admissions and deaths to decrease.
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One of my long time friends just lost her father to covid.
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Co-worker's thirty-something sister died last week. Two teenaged daughters.
One odd note .. "she tested negative twice, but doctors considered her positive because of the symptoms."
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Co-worker's thirty-something sister died last week. Two teenaged daughters.
One odd note .. "she tested negative twice, but doctors considered her positive because of the symptoms."
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My boss has had symptoms and a fever for the last week. Went to urgent care yesterday, said it was likely COVID but unless he was in an ICU bed they weren't going to test him.
We've got a loooong way to go if that's still the approach to testing.
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My boss has had symptoms and a fever for the last week. Went to urgent care yesterday, said it was likely COVID but unless he was in an ICU bed they weren't going to test him.
We've got a loooong way to go if that's still the approach to testing.
Wow - hope he does OK. Is that in WI?
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My boss has had symptoms and a fever for the last week. Went to urgent care yesterday, said it was likely COVID but unless he was in an ICU bed they weren't going to test him.
We've got a loooong way to go if that's still the approach to testing.
If he was in Connecticut he could make an appointment online at one of the three 5-minute test locations set-up.
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My boss has had symptoms and a fever for the last week. Went to urgent care yesterday, said it was likely COVID but unless he was in an ICU bed they weren't going to test him.
We've got a loooong way to go if that's still the approach to testing.
Location? This story isn't adding up. But also, urgent cares aren't testing.
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My boss has had symptoms and a fever for the last week. Went to urgent care yesterday, said it was likely COVID but unless he was in an ICU bed they weren't going to test him.
We've got a loooong way to go if that's still the approach to testing.
That is just bullshít. Two months ago, fine. Now? Utter bullshít.
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Wow - hope he does OK. Is that in WI?
Milwaukee area. He said he's back home, fever has dropped but still feels terrible.
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The Melrose Park cop who died was the son of one of the security guards at my church.
And I found out that two parishioners I have known for decades had it but recovered.
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The Melrose Park cop who died was the son of one of the security guards at my church.
And I found out that two parishioners I have known for decades had it but recovered.
Not to change the subject, but what kind of church needs security guards?
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Not to change the subject, but what kind of church needs security guards?
Churches can attract panhandlers, purse snatchers, homeless folk that are compromised.
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The church offices for Old St. Patrick’s are in the same building as the archives for the Archdiocese of Chicago. And because of our location, we do attract all sorts ( more in the old days than now, with the West Loop being gentrified,but still). And we have all sorts of meetings going on all the time.
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Not to change the subject, but what kind of church needs security guards?
Ah, synagogues, hey?
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Ah, synagogues, hey?
I was thinking the same thing...and mosques. They aren't technically called 'churches,' but they are houses of worship where I would totally understand the need for security.
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I was thinking the same thing...and mosques. They aren't technically called 'churches,' but they are houses of worship where I would totally understand the need for security.
I think he was referring to DeBlasio.
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One of my wife's co-workers, a 40-year-old NICU nurse whom she says is in good shape and has no underlying conditions, is infected, on a ventilator and fighting for her life.
So freakin' sad.
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One of my wife's co-workers, a 40-year-old NICU nurse whom she says is in good shape and has no underlying conditions, is infected, on a ventilator and fighting for her life.
So freakin' sad.
Heartbreaking, Mike. So sorry to hear.
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One of my wife's co-workers, a 40-year-old NICU nurse whom she says is in good shape and has no underlying conditions, is infected, on a ventilator and fighting for her life.
So freakin' sad.
Very sorry to hear. Really hope she can turn the corner....
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Thanks guys. I don't know her, but my wife says she's a great person and a wonderful nurse.
As a society, I'm not sure there's any way we really can repay the debt we owe to these courageous health-care professionals.
Selfishly, I'm very glad and relieved my wife is not on the "front lines." Mostly working from home doing phone triage, parent consultations, etc.
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Prayers out to your wife’s co-worker. Hope all is well with your family.
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Prayers out to your wife’s co-worker. Hope all is well with your family.
My family's doing great, thankfully. Hopefully the same is true of yours.
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Update on my group homes:
a 70+ year old home last week had 6 of the 8 residents tested positive for corona. 2 have passed away, the rest are asymptomatic. 3 staff have also tested positive. In the meantime, as predicted our 11 dollar an hour employees have started dropping out all over the company.
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Update on my group homes:
a 70+ year old home last week had 6 of the 8 residents tested positive for corona. 2 have passed away, the rest are asymptomatic. 3 staff have also tested positive. In the meantime, as predicted our 11 dollar an hour employees have started dropping out all over the company.
Is it just absenteeism or are people able to quit their job and collect a benefit?
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Is it just absenteeism or are people able to quit their job and collect a benefit?
Probably two fold here:
A: Those who don't want to work, and would rather claim "scared of covid" and claim their unemployment (which is more then they make)
B: Those who are actually scared of covid and $11 is not enough to persuade them.
I've been clamoring for "hero pay" but its fallen on deaf ears.
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Update on my group homes:
a 70+ year old home last week had 6 of the 8 residents tested positive for corona. 2 have passed away, the rest are asymptomatic. 3 staff have also tested positive. In the meantime, as predicted our 11 dollar an hour employees have started dropping out all over the company.
This shows how dangerous this is. I wouldn't work for $11 an hour at such risk either. They should be, being paid substantially more, and people should drop out unless they feel they feel the income is worth the risk.
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Probably two fold here:
A: Those who don't want to work, and would rather claim "scared of covid" and claim their unemployment (which is more then they make)
B: Those who are actually scared of covid and $11 is not enough to persuade them.
I've been clamoring for "hero pay" but its fallen on deaf ears.
Completely agree on hero pay. Whom have you been clamoring to?
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Probably two fold here:
A: Those who don't want to work, and would rather claim "scared of covid" and claim their unemployment (which is more then they make)
B: Those who are actually scared of covid and $11 is not enough to persuade them.
I've been clamoring for "hero pay" but its fallen on deaf ears.
I totally agree on B/last statement. In what I track there has been an increase in absenteeism in manufacturing. From what I gather due to B.
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Completely agree on hero pay. Whom have you been clamoring to?
Director of Wisconsin. Who reports directly to the ceo.
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A: Those who don't want to work, and would rather claim "scared of covid" and claim their unemployment (which is more then they make)
B: Those who are actually scared of covid and $11 is not enough to persuade them.
Unemployment isn't paid to those who quit.
But I agree with the arguments about pay & risk.
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Unemployment isn't paid to those who quit.
But I agree with the arguments about pay & risk.
I work with a lot of nursing homes and advise them on issues relating to their employees. This has been a very significant issue for obvious reasons. Nurse Aides are not well paid. At all. It's very easy to empathize with employees who don't think that $11/hr is worth the risk. But, as Rocky said, unemployment is not available to those who are able to work but want to stay home because they are scared or those who don't think it's worth it. In order to maintain appropriate (and legally mandated) staffing levels, many nursing home operators have had to explain this fact repeatedly to employees. Some have quit. Some have come to work. Some have learned that they can achieve the same result by simply calling in and saying, "I woke up this morning with a bit of a fever." There really have been a bunch of very interesting issues relating to the intersection between C-19, FMLA, ADA, stay-at-home orders, unemployment, workers' compensation, etc....so much to read, learn and stay on top of.
For the records, the overwhelming majority of the health care workers have been fantastic. One nurse I deal with regularly comes to mind: she came back early from her maternity leave because her "residents needed her." Amazing. Broadly speaking, I've seen two types of employees in nursing homes emerge in this crisis: those who even though they might be scared are rushing in like they've been preparing for this their entire lives, and those who are perfectly willing (maybe even a little too eager) stay home and collect unemployment, PTO or whatever else they can. Thankfully, the first group is much, much larger than the second. Not surprisingly, 99% of the calls I get are about those in the second group.
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Unemployment isn't paid to those who quit.
But I agree with the arguments about pay & risk.
Cough Cough, I believe I have a fever and the chills. -> Workman's comp or unemployment.
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Cough Cough, I believe I have a fever and the chills. -> Workman's comp or unemployment.
That's still not how unemployment works. And healthcare workers can't claim workman's comp for getting sick (I've got healthcare compliance sources). There's a chance they could claim FMLA - but that doesn't pay $$ either - just allows for time off.
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That's still not how unemployment works. And healthcare workers can't claim workman's comp for getting sick (I've got healthcare compliance sources). There's a chance they could claim FMLA - but that doesn't pay $$ either - just allows for time off.
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Cough Cough, I believe I have a fever and the chills. -> Workman's comp or unemployment.
Tens of thousands faking sickness now. More than that if you count the ones faking death.
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That's still not how unemployment works. And healthcare workers can't claim workman's comp for getting sick (I've got healthcare compliance sources). There's a chance they could claim FMLA - but that doesn't pay $$ either - just allows for time off.
I can only speak for Ohio, but both of those statements are incorrect here. If an employee is experiencing COVID-19 symptoms and is asked to stay home by the employer, a doctor or public health authority (and they will be) he or she is eligible for unemployment. But first they will get two weeks of emergency paid sick leave under FFCRA. Also, health care workers are very likely eligible for workers’ comp if they were at greater risk of infection because of their job (and they almost certainly are).
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That's still not how unemployment works. And healthcare workers can't claim workman's comp for getting sick (I've got healthcare compliance sources). There's a chance they could claim FMLA - but that doesn't pay $$ either - just allows for time off.
Workmans comp is paid off if an employee could have reasonably recieved it at work.
Unemployment is given if an employee is forcibly removed from work due to covid symptoms.
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I can only speak for Ohio, but both of those statements are incorrect here. If an employee is experiencing COVID-19 symptoms and is asked to stay home by the employer, a doctor or public health authority (and they will be) he or she is eligible for unemployment. But first they will get two weeks of emergency paid sick leave under FFCRA. Also, health care workers are very likely eligible for workers’ comp if they were at greater risk of infection because of their job (and they almost certainly are).
Thanks for the clarification, as my Pex comments showed, I can't speak for every state or local rules. But in general, and most situations, healthcare workers can't claim workman's compensation for getting sick at work. Nor can the rest of us , the system would blow up otherwise. Also...prove you got sick from work, eh?
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Thanks for the clarification, as my Pex comments showed, I can't speak for every state or local rules. But in general, and most situations, healthcare workers can't claim workman's compensation for getting sick at work. Nor can the rest of us , the system would blow up otherwise. Also...prove you got sick from work, eh?
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That's the key with work comp and sickness. You have to prove that you were only exposed at work. Been to the grocery store, Walgreens, talk to the neighbors, etc., not going to be covered.
There is coverage for industrial injuries, such as asbestos exposure (My name's Doug and I have mesotheloma), loss of hearing due to machinery, etc. But those "diseases" have to occur over a long period of time. The Rona wouldn't qualify, IMO.
Of course, this hasn't been challenged in court yet, so we'll see. Much of work comp is common law & statute based, not policy based, so the courts could have more latitude than claimants will probably have with other types of insurance claims (loss of income, liability for someone getting sick at your place of business, etc.)
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That's the key with work comp and sickness. You have to prove that you were only exposed at work. Been to the grocery store, Walgreens, talk to the neighbors, etc., not going to be covered.
There is coverage for industrial injuries, such as asbestos exposure (My name's Doug and I have mesotheloma), loss of hearing due to machinery, etc. But those "diseases" have to occur over a long period of time. The Rona wouldn't qualify, IMO.
Of course, this hasn't been challenged in court yet, so we'll see. Much of work comp is common law & statute based, not policy based, so the courts could have more latitude than claimants will probably have with other types of insurance claims (loss of income, liability for someone getting sick at your place of business, etc.)
It varies by state, and some states have new regulations specific to COVID. Here are some FAQs about what MN just did:
https://www.dli.mn.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/COVID-19_work_comp_presumption_faqs.pdf
The new law provides that employees on the front lines of the COVID-19 pandemic, as described in Question 2, are presumed to have contracted a workers’ compensation occupational disease if they become ill with COVID-19.
It doesn’t apply to everyone, but it’s a pretty big step forward.
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It varies by state, and some states have new regulations specific to COVID. Here are some FAQs about what MN just did:
https://www.dli.mn.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/COVID-19_work_comp_presumption_faqs.pdf
The new law provides that employees on the front lines of the COVID-19 pandemic, as described in Question 2, are presumed to have contracted a workers’ compensation occupational disease if they become ill with COVID-19.
It doesn’t apply to everyone, but it’s a pretty big step forward.
good to know, thanks.
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I work with a lot of nursing homes and advise them on issues relating to their employees. This has been a very significant issue for obvious reasons. Nurse Aides are not well paid. At all. It's very easy to empathize with employees who don't think that $11/hr is worth the risk. But, as Rocky said, unemployment is not available to those who are able to work but want to stay home because they are scared or those who don't think it's worth it. In order to maintain appropriate (and legally mandated) staffing levels, many nursing home operators have had to explain this fact repeatedly to employees. Some have quit. Some have come to work. Some have learned that they can achieve the same result by simply calling in and saying, "I woke up this morning with a bit of a fever." There really have been a bunch of very interesting issues relating to the intersection between C-19, FMLA, ADA, stay-at-home orders, unemployment, workers' compensation, etc....so much to read, learn and stay on top of.
For the records, the overwhelming majority of the health care workers have been fantastic. One nurse I deal with regularly comes to mind: she came back early from her maternity leave because her "residents needed her." Amazing. Broadly speaking, I've seen two types of employees in nursing homes emerge in this crisis: those who even though they might be scared are rushing in like they've been preparing for this their entire lives, and those who are perfectly willing (maybe even a little too eager) stay home and collect unemployment, PTO or whatever else they can. Thankfully, the first group is much, much larger than the second. Not surprisingly, 99% of the calls I get are about those in the second group.
I have a client with 23 senior living facilities in Tx Ok and Ark... none are nursing most are part assisted/memory care and part independent. I kind of shuddered on reading your multi faceted employment issues. As my client owns the properties and also operates an in house management co we did the in house single employer stuff too...I hated those times.
10 years ago we had this client go back to using a single purpose co who is co employer with a PEO...now client still owns and manages but all personnel are employed by that SPco and the PEO. We pay extra $ to PEO, but still have the rights of supervision and to hire and fire in the SPco but thankfully, the PEO deals with all the other "employee" detail issues you mention.
It has really freed up management during this challenging time. Also it insulates property from all liability and employment claims. Our structure involves four SP entities for each property (a REIT, an operating co. a management co and the "employer" co ) along with an outside contract PEO. PM me if you are interested for your folks; I represented a large PEO and there are definitely good and bad ones.
I also am grateful to this client for freeing me from those near daily employee questions and defending the EEOC/lawsuits. At its peak 25% of Harris county suits were employment based . With this client (about 1200 employees) we and our PEO havent had a suit in five years. Knock on wood
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Sorry for not shopping the threads to find one better suited, but for me this is close to home.
Art Howe age 73, former Astros player and later an Astros manager, who also managed the A's as portrayed in "Moneyball " is in the ICU here in Houston fighting COVID. Art is really a nice guy; he had a knack for bringing along young players and for getting better winning records than expected with his personnel. Hope he makes it.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29176723/former-astros-manager-art-howe-icu-due-coronavirus
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Sorry for not shopping the threads to find one better suited, but for me this is close to home.
Art Howe age 73, former Astros player and later an Astros manager, who also managed the A's as portrayed in "Moneyball " is in the ICU here in Houston fighting COVID. Art is really a nice guy; he had a knack for bringing along young players and for getting better winning records than expected with his personnel. Hope he makes it.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29176723/former-astros-manager-art-howe-icu-due-coronavirus
Yeah, I heard this too. Very sad. I didn't know him but I also heard very good things about him. Here's hoping he pulls through.
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We have been best friends with another couple since 1984, when we all lived in Madison.
Their 31-year-old son, who has spina bifida, has now been diagnosed with COVID-19, the poor guy.
His dad said: "The doctors aren't overly concerned, as his blood oxygen levels were fine, and his lungs showed only a small amount of fluid, so we expect he'll make a full
recovery. But there is no telling how long he'll be in the hospital."
In addition, our friends are now under quarantine for at least the next 14 days.
We had been talking about getting together with them in June, but that's not gonna happen. Obviously, it's of secondary importance now.
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My daughter in Fargo got notice that someone in her apartment building is COVID positive. No details about stage or severity, which is understandable but frustrating. Fortunately, my daughter has spent most of her time in her apartment and been has been very careful whenever she has gone out.
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My office of about 200 has been WFH since March. We have had about 10 employees that work in the office since March. June 15th was to be phase 1 of our re-opening and 20-30 additional employees were to start coming into the office. That has been canceled since last week 1 person tested positive who had been in the office last week.
I appreciate the concern for health and safety but on the other hand do not like the panic it represents. At some point we need to figure out ways to continue moving forward. Contact tracing has been done so have those that have been in contact get tested and WFH for the next week or 2 weeks.
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First cousin, who just graduated from U of Arizona's nursing school mind you. Just tested positive after going to an open bar up with a bunch of her fellow recent nursing grads that were visiting her in northern Illinois.
I do not trust young medical professionals.
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I started my journalism career with the AP and spent 16 fun years there.
This past week, two AP journalists died due to complications with COVID-19.
1. DAKAR, Senegal (AP) — John Bompengo, who covered Congo’s political turmoil as a freelance photographer and video journalist for The Associated Press over the course of 16 years has died, relatives said Sunday. He was 52.
The cause of death was complications due to the coronavirus. Bompengo had been hospitalized for about a week but his condition rapidly deteriorated Friday and he died the following day.
Bompengo had contributed to AP since 2004, including coverage of the Ebola outbreak in northern Congo, in 2018.
Andrew Drake, the AP’s Africa news director who also served as senior video producer for West Africa from 2011 to 2018, remembered Bompengo as a “stalwart colleague and an impressive storyteller.”
“John could talk his way in and out of places where others couldn’t to get striking images,” Drake said. “He had great contacts and friends across the entire country. Whether news was breaking in Kinshasa or across the river in Brazzaville, John was always on top of things, fast to arrive on the scene and with a plan to get the best pictures.
“He was committed to covering the flow of Congo’s sometime violent politics, always to be found at the heart of the action on the streets taking photos and video, but soon after he would be back in his suit covering the president.”
Bompengo is survived by his wife and nine children.
2. NEW YORK (AP) — Gregory Katz, an acclaimed correspondent for The Associated Press in London who recently led the news cooperative’s coverage of Brexit and the election of Boris Johnson as prime minister, died Tuesday. He had been ill in recent months and had contracted COVID-19. He was 67.
His career over four decades took him across the globe, from Latin America to Africa, Asia to Russia, the Middle East and Western Europe. He was part of the team in 1994 that won the Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting at the Dallas Morning News for a series on violence against women around the world.
A native of Westport, Connecticut, Katz also wrote frequently about music, particularly his lifelong passion for rock ’n’ roll. He was the only journalist inside the Dakota Apartments on the night in 1980 when John Lennon was murdered and wrote a definitive account of the killing for Rolling Stone magazine.
He recalled how as a pony-tailed teenager still in high school, he had hitchhiked to the Woodstock music festival, sleeping on the muddy ground and drinking in the historic rock concert.
Katz was “a wonderful reporter and lyrical writer,” said Scott Kraft, managing editor of the Los Angeles Times and a friend of more than three decades. “I admired his work, and I cherished his friendship. He was such a generous spirit.”
Katz joined the AP in London as a correspondent in 2008 and became acting bureau chief in 2013. He was a familiar figure to many as a regular panelist on the BBC’s “Dateline London” program, discussing world events with other foreign correspondents.
A week before the 2016 Brexit vote, Katz wrote a story from Dover, England, that foreshadowed the surprise narrow victory of those advocating that the United Kingdom leave the European Union.
“Don’t try to talk to Brian Hall about economics, trading blocs or the value of the British pound. He won’t listen,” Katz wrote. “There’s one factor — and one factor only — shaping his view (in the vote): immigration.”
Colleagues recalled Katz’s fondness for fine cigars. He occasionally wrote freelance articles for the magazine Cigar Aficionado.
Katz underwent cancer surgery in London in February. He went home for several days afterward but suffered complications and returned to the hospital. While convalescing, he became infected with the coronavirus and fell ill with pneumonia.
He is survived by his wife of 31 years, architect Beatrice Sennewald, and their daughter Sophia, 23, who recently graduated from the University of Sheffield and now works as a trainee therapist.
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John was 52 and had no underlying conditions ... except, perhaps, for being stationed in Africa. Left behind 9 kids. Sad.
Greg was 67 and had cancer, but he had been a survivor before and might have survived again if not for coronavirus. Brutal.
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Today I spoke with a 20 yr plus client , age 64, who lives in London and Madrid. He got stuck in Madrid at the worst time, and , of course, caught the COVID virus. Survived after 3 weeks in hospital. Whew.
Even though now healthy, COVID impacts linger. Asking about my large fee owed , he explained that first, the Russians (where his oil interests are) were in a price war with the Saudis, so dividends were suspended Q1 and Q2. Now, with the suspension over, my funds are still stuck in Moscow as Spain wont let him go there (in person pickup/signature required for all 6-7 figure sums). I cant leave my House in Houston, EU doesnt want USAers coming in, and Russia is now behind the Iron COVID Curtain.
The Cold War maybe over but he and I were laughing that now we are stuck in a COVID/Cold War. Fallout shelters have given way to sheltering in place and duck and cover gave way to cover your mouth.
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Spent the March through June locked down in NYC, no issues.
Been back in Wisconsin with my GF for the last month...and she just was diagnosed as positive. She felt pretty crappy on Thur-Sat of last week. Got a test at CVS Minute Clinic on Friday...still no results.
She’s been carrying an on and off fever since, so we went to Urgent Care yesterday. Got a test and a chest x Ray. Put her on a Z Pack just in case it’s light pneumonia forming. Got the call this morning that she’s positive and public health will be following up.
I’m heading back to get a test myself this afternoon. I’ve had no symptoms. A random cough and headache here and there, what sort of feels like chest congestion but it’s random and never persists. I imagine it’s largely psychosomatic from the worry around her and the large amount of stress I’ve been under otherwise.
Honestly will be shocked if I don’t test positive and frankly hope I do so I can donate antibody plasma when I’m done quaranting
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Spent the March through June locked down in NYC, no issues.
Been back in Wisconsin with my GF for the last month...and she just was diagnosed as positive. She felt pretty crappy on Thur-Sat of last week. Got a test at CVS Minute Clinic on Friday...still no results.
She’s been carrying an on and off fever since, so we went to Urgent Care yesterday. Got a test and a chest x Ray. Put her on a Z Pack just in case it’s light pneumonia forming. Got the call this morning that she’s positive and public health will be following up.
I’m heading back to get a test myself this afternoon. I’ve had no symptoms. A random cough and headache here and there, what sort of feels like chest congestion but it’s random and never persists. I imagine it’s largely psychosomatic from the worry around her and the large amount of stress I’ve been under otherwise.
Honestly will be shocked if I don’t test positive and frankly hope I do so I can donate antibody plasma when I’m done quaranting
I was wondering who would be first around here. It is pretty crazy to think about spending all that time in the epicenter and not catching it, and then getting back to Wisconsin and catching it.
Personally, I hope you don't test positive. We still don't know what the long term effects of this are. Having said that, if you are positive, I hope its mild with no long term effects. And good on you if you are allowed to donate antibody plasma.
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Best of luck on a quick recovery/recoveries wags.
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Best of luck on a quick recovery/recoveries wags.
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I was wondering who would be first around here. It is pretty crazy to think about spending all that time in the epicenter and not catching it, and then getting back to Wisconsin and catching it.
Personally, I hope you don't test positive. We still don't know what the long term effects of this are. Having said that, if you are positive, I hope its mild with no long term effects. And good on you if you are allowed to donate antibody plasma.
Welp. They won’t allowed me to get tested as I’m not presenting symptoms. What a joke. And the PA working yesterday who told me to come in is not working today so I can’t leverage her.
My only option as of now is community testing with its 4-7 day turnaround. Hopefully I can give her a call tomorrow and work around it.
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Welp. They won’t allowed me to get tested as I’m not presenting symptoms. What a joke. And the PA working yesterday who told me to come in is not working today so I can’t leverage her.
My only option as of now is community testing with its 4-7 day turnaround. Hopefully I can give her a call tomorrow and work around it.
That's terrible. You've clearly been exposed. Just because you're not presenting symptoms... this is why we have problems.
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That's terrible. You've clearly been exposed. Just because you're not presenting symptoms... this is why we have problems.
Agreed. My other issue is the WOEFULLY under educated staff most places. Both the receptionist/scheduler at Urgent Care, as well as who I spoke with at my PCP’s office both had no information and referred me to the generic COVID hotline and website. The treatment of my GF once she was at Urgent Care was decisive, informative, and effective. But it appears outside of the actual medical professionals, everybody has been clueless.
I personally liked how there was a testing backlog because of a holiday weekend. Feels like letting the forest fires in CA progress unchecked cause the firefighters took the weekend off
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Welp. They won’t allowed me to get tested as I’m not presenting symptoms. What a joke. And the PA working yesterday who told me to come in is not working today so I can’t leverage her.
My only option as of now is community testing with its 4-7 day turnaround. Hopefully I can give her a call tomorrow and work around it.
Wags,
What a different a state makes. In Connecticut they would test you.
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That is ridiculous, that you can’t get tested.
I have a friend who needed to get tested because his son with Downs needed to return to his group home by a certain date to continue his state funding ( he was quarantining with his parents since March), and as they were symptomless the hospital didn’t want to test them. No state-run sites nearby and their turnaround is longer. His alderman ultimately got him in.
Hope you stay well.
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Anyone who wants a test can get a test.
Leadership matters.
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Welp. They won’t allowed me to get tested as I’m not presenting symptoms. What a joke. And the PA working yesterday who told me to come in is not working today so I can’t leverage her.
My only option as of now is community testing with its 4-7 day turnaround. Hopefully I can give her a call tomorrow and work around it.
No drive up testing without appointments near you? I thought these were a thing now?
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Agreed. My other issue is the WOEFULLY under educated staff most places. Both the receptionist/scheduler at Urgent Care, as well as who I spoke with at my PCP’s office both had no information and referred me to the generic COVID hotline and website. The treatment of my GF once she was at Urgent Care was decisive, informative, and effective. But it appears outside of the actual medical professionals, everybody has been clueless.
I personally liked how there was a testing backlog because of a holiday weekend. Feels like letting the forest fires in CA progress unchecked cause the firefighters took the weekend off
We had an employee go to the Alliant Energy Center for a drive through test on Tuesday morning. She just got her results back today. So the turnaround time here (Madison area) is pretty decent.
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No drive up testing without appointments near you? I thought these were a thing now?
There are, but my GF had one of those tests last Friday and still hasn’t gotten a result back.
If I’m living with someone with COVID, I’d like to know what sort of measures I’d have to take or what my quarantine is going to look like without waiting till mid next week on a best case scenario
Anyone who wants a test can get a test.
Leadership matters.
I know you’re trying to make another tired Trump crack, but this is a state issue. I’ve talked to multiple other people in various states who are shocked and have had quick turnaround tests done in similar circumstances. Her sister is NJ is incredulous as her kids going to camp in NJ have been tested twice already with same day results.
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Wags I can tell you the quick test is here in CT which takes 15 mins. But is not as good as the test run in a central lab.
Lead time for the better test is now up to five days here because of availability of testing supplies in the lab. Not ability to collect/take the test. Which may or may not be due to a state issue.
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Wags I can tell you the quick test is here in CT which takes 15 mins. But is not as good as the test run in a central lab.
Lead time for the better test is now up to five days here because of availability of testing supplies in the lab. Not ability to collect/take the test. Which may or may not be due to a state issue.
Yea there is variability for sure. I think another thing that is infuriating, which is very much local, is the lack of education, effective communication, or information share from any of the agencies or whatnot. The best information I’ve gotten has been from the pharmacist when she originally took a drive thru test at a CVS and the PA yesterday. Which isn’t surprising, but the fact that nobody can give any sort of helpful timelines or recommendations for course of action is disconcerting to say the least.
It sincerely feels like the mentality is, which was reinforced when the health department followed up the positive test, “go to a community testing center, get tested, and then isolate yourself until you have results”. Which while it may seem “safely” cautious, is very impractical and potentially dangerous advice to asymptomatic people who aren’t going to want to, what feels like needlessly, put their lives on hold. A 24 or even 48 hour turnaround changes that IMO.
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Yea there is variability for sure. I think another thing that is infuriating, which is very much local, is the lack of education, effective communication, or information share from any of the agencies or whatnot. The best information I’ve gotten has been from the pharmacist when she originally took a drive thru test at a CVS and the PA yesterday. Which isn’t surprising, but the fact that nobody can give any sort of helpful timelines or recommendations for course of action is disconcerting to say the least.
It sincerely feels like the mentality is, which was reinforced when the health department followed up the positive test, “go to a community testing center, get tested, and then isolate yourself until you have results”. Which while it may seem “safely” cautious, is very impractical and potentially dangerous advice to asymptomatic people who aren’t going to want to, what feels like needlessly, put their lives on hold. A 24 or even 48 hour turnaround changes that IMO.
Totally - needs to be 24 hours or less. Advice is probably fine, but this is a logistics problem to match what public health needs. Hasnt been approached that way nationally or with any consistency across states.
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Yea there is variability for sure. I think another thing that is infuriating, which is very much local, is the lack of education, effective communication, or information share from any of the agencies or whatnot. The best information I’ve gotten has been from the pharmacist when she originally took a drive thru test at a CVS and the PA yesterday. Which isn’t surprising, but the fact that nobody can give any sort of helpful timelines or recommendations for course of action is disconcerting to say the least.
It sincerely feels like the mentality is, which was reinforced when the health department followed up the positive test, “go to a community testing center, get tested, and then isolate yourself until you have results”. Which while it may seem “safely” cautious, is very impractical and potentially dangerous advice to asymptomatic people who aren’t going to want to, what feels like needlessly, put their lives on hold. A 24 or even 48 hour turnaround changes that IMO.
If you really want one, show up in ED with complaints of “chest tightness.” Say it’s probably stress related, but have a live in person who is positive and want to make sure it’s nothing more. You’ll get a test. Probably.
As for quarantining, I’ve been in out of the basement since April. Latest studies I’ve read, is you are most infectious the day before you start showing symptoms. You aren’t infectious 4 or 5 days after starting symptoms. So probably should be good after week one, especially if significant other is symptom free.
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Welp. They won’t allowed me to get tested as I’m not presenting symptoms. What a joke. And the PA working yesterday who told me to come in is not working today so I can’t leverage her.
My only option as of now is community testing with its 4-7 day turnaround. Hopefully I can give her a call tomorrow and work around it.
Even with a clear exposure? That’s just crazy. Good luck getting a test. And with the results, whichever way it goes.
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Welp. They won’t allowed me to get tested as I’m not presenting symptoms. What a joke. And the PA working yesterday who told me to come in is not working today so I can’t leverage her.
My only option as of now is community testing with its 4-7 day turnaround. Hopefully I can give her a call tomorrow and work around it.
Fake some symptoms
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This might help to explain why they are still making it so difficult to get a test in WI despite an obvious exposure:
Is Your State Doing Enough Coronavirus Testing?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-testing.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
To summarize: Researchers at the Harvard Global Health Institute developed a methodology to estimate the number of daily tests required in order to mitigate the disease. It is based on total positives and positivity rate, and shows that the majority of states are still far below the recommended testing numbers. They estimate that WI is currently conducting only 48% of the daily tests needed to mitigate COVID.
Also note: these estimates are only what would be needed to mitigate spread. If we wanted to suppress the spread, the required testing numbers would be much higher.
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This might help to explain why they are still making it so difficult to get a test in WI despite an obvious exposure:
Is Your State Doing Enough Coronavirus Testing?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-testing.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
To summarize: Researchers at the Harvard Global Health Institute developed a methodology to estimate the number of daily tests required in order to mitigate the disease. It is based on total positives and positivity rate, and shows that the majority of states are still far below the recommended testing numbers. They estimate that WI is currently conducting only 48% of the daily tests needed to mitigate COVID.
Also note: these estimates are only what would be needed to mitigate spread. If we wanted to suppress the spread, the required testing numbers would be much higher.
Test everyone, everyday for a month and we can regain control. A major problem we have run into is folks like JWags who should be tested, but aren't. He tried and was turned away or told to go somewhere else. Unacceptable.
But if everyone showed up tomorrow at a test site, they'd be overwhelmed. PERSONALLY, I'd love to see a system where we have two testers that go from apartment to apartment and then building to building to get tests out to people. Expecting a lot of the elderly and urban population to get in a car and drive to a test site isn't realistic. Many of those folks don't have cars or family that can drive them... so they'll never be tested.
Basically, I have little faith in our testing. We need to get it to a level where we are catching basically everyone every day or two.
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Test everyone, everyday for a month and we can regain control. A major problem we have run into is folks like JWags who should be tested, but aren't. He tried and was turned away or told to go somewhere else. Unacceptable.
But if everyone showed up tomorrow at a test site, they'd be overwhelmed. PERSONALLY, I'd love to see a system where we have two testers that go from apartment to apartment and then building to building to get tests out to people. Expecting a lot of the elderly and urban population to get in a car and drive to a test site isn't realistic. Many of those folks don't have cars or family that can drive them... so they'll never be tested.
Basically, I have little faith in our testing. We need to get it to a level where we are catching basically everyone every day or two.
Neither is expecting a bunch of rednecks who think this is a government conspiracy or that they'll just tough it out.
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Test everyone, everyday for a month and we can regain control. A major problem we have run into is folks like JWags who should be tested, but aren't. He tried and was turned away or told to go somewhere else. Unacceptable.
But if everyone showed up tomorrow at a test site, they'd be overwhelmed. PERSONALLY, I'd love to see a system where we have two testers that go from apartment to apartment and then building to building to get tests out to people. Expecting a lot of the elderly and urban population to get in a car and drive to a test site isn't realistic. Many of those folks don't have cars or family that can drive them... so they'll never be tested.
Basically, I have little faith in our testing. We need to get it to a level where we are catching basically everyone every day or two.
Actually, if schools open, there is a way to accomplish testing goals, and mitigate spread.
Test all students at all levels every couple days. Any that test positive, you quarantine and screen family/contacts.
This can be accomplished on scale by using pooled sample testing, several large universities are developing this to roll out for their campus reopening testing plans.
Some Universities have modeled this, and found that reopening with universal testing platforms will actually lead to fewer cases amongst students, than if they don't reopen. The worst model, is reopening without a universal testing platform.
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If you really want one, show up in ED with complaints of “chest tightness.” Say it’s probably stress related, but have a live in person who is positive and want to make sure it’s nothing more. You’ll get a test. Probably.
As for quarantining, I’ve been in out of the basement since April. Latest studies I’ve read, is you are most infectious the day before you start showing symptoms. You aren’t infectious 4 or 5 days after starting symptoms. So probably should be good after week one, especially if significant other is symptom free.
So I ended up getting tested yesterday. Told the admitting person some variation on this advice, was honest with the nurse and referenced the PA who then ended up treating me. Both agreed it was silly they ever had an issue.
Got the call today...Negative. I was sharing a bed, close quarters, physical affection up until she felt truly crappy last Thursday and got tested. I even accidentally used her toothbrush late one night in a fog. Baffling.
Reckless to speculate, but I’m thinking I may have contracted it somehow, been asymptomatic, passed it to her and then overcame it myself some days before my test yesterday? Tough to pinpoint an origination cause we both have been mask wearing and religiously using sanitizer. I’ll isolate for a few more days and then look into antibody testing, which seems to be a bit tricky to find right now.
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Congrats on the negative test.
You may never know how it happened.
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Good to hear Wags. I hope your GF gets well soon.
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So I ended up getting tested yesterday. Told the admitting person some variation on this advice, was honest with the nurse and referenced the PA who then ended up treating me. Both agreed it was silly they ever had an issue.
Got the call today...Negative. I was sharing a bed, close quarters, physical affection up until she felt truly crappy last Thursday and got tested. I even accidentally used her toothbrush late one night in a fog. Baffling.
Reckless to speculate, but I’m thinking I may have contracted it somehow, been asymptomatic, passed it to her and then overcame it myself some days before my test yesterday? Tough to pinpoint an origination cause we both have been mask wearing and religiously using sanitizer. I’ll isolate for a few more days and then look into antibody testing, which seems to be a bit tricky to find right now.
Why is that baffling?
Do you get sick every time she does?
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Why is that baffling?
Do you get sick every time she does?
Not trying to be snarky, or pretend like COVID isn’t a big deal, but when you hear how ruthlessly contagious it is and all the advisements of quarantining and isolating from others even within your own home, to have essentially been flagrantly participating in any and all exposures regularly for a few days and not contract (short of already having antibodies or the scenario I presented) just seems surprising, unless I’m Wolverine
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Not trying to be snarky, or pretend like COVID isn’t a big deal, but when you hear how ruthlessly contagious it is and all the advisements of quarantining and isolating from others even within your own home, to have essentially been flagrantly participating in any and all exposures regularly for a few days and not contract (short of already having antibodies or the scenario I presented) just seems surprising, unless I’m Wolverine
One of the studies from China had a 15% infection rate within households. That’s a lot, but probably less then what most people think.
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The weird thing about viruses – and this one is no exception – is that sometimes they spread when there is little or no known contact, while other times they don’t spread even with prolonged close contact.
Glad your test was negative, Wags. Hope your GF gets through it quickly and without long-term effects.
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The weird thing about viruses – and this one is no exception – is that sometimes they spread when there is little or no known contact, while other times they don’t spread even with prolonged close contact.
Glad your test was negative, Wags. Hope your GF gets through it quickly and without long-term effects.
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I have a friend who husband and daughter had it. She never did, and she is the one with some underlying conditions.
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I worked with a woman 25+ years ago who used to bring her son into work occasionally where he would run around being a little terror. He died of Covid yesterday.
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Office receptionist lost taste and smell on Saturday. Got tested yesterday. Up to 5 to 7 days for results while the rest of us wait in limbo.
Not a person I have prolonged contact with, but taking precautions.
She spent four days up north at a campground over the Fourth. Community pool, socializing and drinking. Now bitching a storm about who's paying for the test, compensation for work missed, not using PTO, etc. Worried about all the wrong things.
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One of my students from last year. 21 years old, healthy athlete, no pre-existing conditions. They've been hospitalized with COVID for a week. Says every breath is excruciatingly painful, constantly out of breath (O2 sat levels in the 70's and 80's without oxygen supplmentation), hates their heparin injections.
And the doctors keep reminding them that their case is mild.
They were on campus for residence life orientation to prepare for the full slot of students coming in soon.
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One of my students from last year. 21 years old, healthy athlete, no pre-existing conditions. They've been hospitalized with COVID for a week. Says every breath is excruciatingly painful, constantly out of breath (O2 sat levels in the 70's and 80's without oxygen supplmentation), hates their heparin injections.
And the doctors keep reminding them that their case is mild.
They were on campus for residence life orientation to prepare for the full slot of students coming in soon.
Best wishes and thoughts to your student, but surely he means mild in terms of hospitalized cases, yea?
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Best wishes and thoughts to your student, but surely he means mild in terms of hospitalized cases, yea?
I assume so. This is such a crazy disease. Normally O2 levels that low would be extreme concern. Here, she is texting, and posting to facebook.
Says the scariest thing is being alone, no family/friends can visit. Nights are tough when she is in pain, unable to breath, and fever causing her to shake violently alone in a hospital bed.
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I was going to comment that those O2 saturation levels are crazy low. What a nasty illness. And the isolation just when you need friends and family.
Hope your student recovers well, forgetful.
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A couple coworkers have had it. Both hospitalized but are now out and doing better. One could be considered at risk (middle aged, asthma) but the other one is in incredible shape with no pre-existing conditions.
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UPDATE: as I mentioned prior, my GF tested positive for COVID after going to an Aurora urgent care on the 8th. She’s doing well, lingering cough and ehh but that’s from the secondary pneumonia infection she got. Saw the UC doctor last week and her lungs both looked and sounded fine, so no cause for concern.
However, the main purpose of this update...she took a COVID test at CVS on July 3rd...she just got the positive result back today. Good lord almighty that’s awful
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We really have no shot if that kind of turnaround is happening broadly....
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UPDATE: as I mentioned prior, my GF tested positive for COVID after going to an Aurora urgent care on the 8th. She’s doing well, lingering cough and ehh but that’s from the secondary pneumonia infection she got. Saw the UC doctor last week and her lungs both looked and sounded fine, so no cause for concern.
However, the main purpose of this update...she took a COVID test at CVS on July 3rd...she just got the positive result back today. Good lord almighty that’s awful
Glad to hear your GF is well on the road to recovery.
The delay in test results is appalling. 18 freaking days? As Frenns said, if that kind of delay is anywhere near the norm, this thing is gonna keep tearing us apart until we get effective vaccines. We need to get delays down to a couple of days max.
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Glad to hear your GF is well on the road to recovery.
The delay in test results is appalling. 18 freaking days? As Frenns said, if that kind of delay is anywhere near the norm, this thing is gonna keep tearing us apart until we get effective vaccines. We need to get delays down to a couple of days max.
To be fair, my parents both went last week to the community testing done by the National Guard, specifically in Glendale at Nicolet HS. They got their results in 2 days. My father's was "inconclusive" but then went back and got another one done, again back in 2 days, that was negative. So it seems its just whatever lab CVS is using is complete trash.
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To be fair, my parents both went last week to the community testing done by the National Guard, specifically in Glendale at Nicolet HS. They got their results in 2 days. My father's was "inconclusive" but then went back and got another one done, again back in 2 days, that was negative. So it seems its just whatever lab CVS is using is complete trash.
I think there are delays in areas that are hit hard. Sounds like we are going to transition into pool testing which should make testing better per Fauci.
As far as no underlying conditions go. Everyone likes to say they are healthy and have no underlying conditions but I have a feeling quite a few do have some borderline underlying issues. Maybe I am too cynical and read too many articles about people saying they caught the disease and had no underlying conditions and you see a picture of them and they probably meet the criteria of being obese. The healthcare system in this country sucks causing a lot of people to not go to the doctor's office for regular checkups that would probably identify quite a few underlying conditions. Overweight, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, etc.
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First outbreak at my Grandma's senior apartment living facility in the Milwaukee area. Three employees and a handful of residents are sick so far. Here's hoping.
Shout out to the WI legislature for doing everything in their power to get my grandma sick.
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First outbreak at my Grandma's senior apartment living facility in the Milwaukee area. Three employees and a handful of residents are sick so far. Here's hoping.
Shout out to the WI legislature for doing everything in their power to get my grandma sick.
Thoughts and prayers for the residents and hoping your Grandma is ok.
But that’s a leap. That facility should be operating as if we’re in lockdown regardless. That’s misplaced accountability
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I think there are delays in areas that are hit hard. Sounds like we are going to transition into pool testing which should make testing better per Fauci.
As far as no underlying conditions go. Everyone likes to say they are healthy and have no underlying conditions but I have a feeling quite a few do have some borderline underlying issues. Maybe I am too cynical and read too many articles about people saying they caught the disease and had no underlying conditions and you see a picture of them and they probably meet the criteria of being obese. The healthcare system in this country sucks causing a lot of people to not go to the doctor's office for regular checkups that would probably identify quite a few underlying conditions. Overweight, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, etc.
I think that is part of the issue. There are almost certainly people walking around with undiagnosed HBP, diabetes and such. And most Americans have such a view of a 'healthy weight/BMI' that differs pretty significantly from what the AMA calls a healthy BMI.
But the other part is that we are still learning the risk factors for COVID. I mentioned this a few weeks back in the main COVID thread, but the evidence is pretty clear that blood type plays some sort of role, as study after study has shown that people with type A are at higher risk of contracting COVID and having a worse outcome, and people with type O seem to have a modicum of extra 'protection.' I'm guessing that we see more correlations with other genes/traits/conditions as time goes by.
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Thoughts and prayers for the residents and hoping your Grandma is ok.
But that’s a leap. That facility should be operating as if we’re in lockdown regardless. That’s misplaced accountability
It has been in lockdown. You still have all of the low wage workers that need to go home or care for their loved ones. Work 2nd jobs. How many live in multi-generational homes? We have a nationwide PPE shortage at hospitals, and old age homes haven't been able to get their hands on much at all.
But people need to go to bars I guess.
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Shout out to the WI legislature for doing everything in their power to get my grandma sick.
Which would you rather have, that, or a Logan's Run Carousel?
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Marquette alum class of 86 passed away today from Covid. Fraternity brother of mine.
Teenage kids left behind.
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Marquette alum class of 86 passed away today from Covid. Fraternity brother of mine.
Teenage kids left behind.
Flyer - this whole thing is so awful, especially when it hits close to home. Sympathies to the family and friends left behind.
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Condolences on the loss of your friend, pbiflyer.
This thing sucks.
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Condolences on the loss of your friend, pbiflyer.
This thing sucks.
Agree - My condolences
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Marquette alum class of 86 passed away today from Covid. Fraternity brother of mine.
Teenage kids left behind.
Wasn't Ed F., was it?
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Wasn't Ed F., was it?
Yep.
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Yep.
Unblock my messages, please.
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First outbreak at my Grandma's senior apartment living facility in the Milwaukee area. Three employees and a handful of residents are sick so far. Here's hoping.
Shout out to the WI legislature for doing everything in their power to get my grandma sick.
Hope your grandmother escapes unscathed. My 99 year old aunt tested positive several times but only had mild symptoms.
Wisconsin voters need to recall this image on election day.
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Turns out both of my parents are convalescent plasma donors...
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Daughter’s best friend lives in MPLS and is experiencing sore throat, dry cough and fatigue, so she’s getting tested. Twenty four years old and in great health, so hopefully if she has it, it isn’t bad.
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Hope she comes up negative.
Hards, kudos for your folks to do that.
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Hope she comes up negative.
Hards, kudos for your folks to do that.
Yeah, they regularly donate blood and found out that way.
Which means they were likely infected back when they were on the zombie cruise in March/April
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Gosh I remember that!
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Yeah, they regularly donate blood and found out that way.
Which means they were likely infected back when they were on the zombie cruise in March/April
Normally, summer in the midwest seems to fly by...but March/April feels like five years ago.
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One of my daughters tested positive for COVID today. She works as a social worker at St David’s Hospital on the University of Texas campus. Virtually asymtomatic (runny nose that she thought was allergies, loss of sense of smell) and pretty much unfazed (told me that by the time this thing runs its course that they estimate 75% of health care workers will have had it). One wildcard - she’s pregnant with baby #3 and due in November.
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One of my daughters tested positive for COVID today. She works as a social worker at St David’s Hospital on the University of Texas campus. Virtually asymtomatic (runny nose that she thought was allergies, loss of sense of smell) and pretty much unfazed (told me that by the time this thing runs its course that they estimate 75% of health care workers will have had it). One wildcard - she’s pregnant with baby #3 and due in November.
Glad she is mostly asymptomatic. Best wishes to her...on a quick recovery and her baby!
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Here's a tangential report .. an in-law relative was in treatment for mental illness. Treatment came to a halt in March due to COVID shut-downs.
Fast forward 5 months (and many details) and he's taken his life. Might have happened anyhow, but COVID didn't help, that's for sure.
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Here's a tangential report .. an in-law relative was in treatment for mental illness. Treatment came to a halt in March due to COVID shut-downs.
Fast forward 5 months (and many details) and he's taken his life. Might have happened anyhow, but COVID didn't help, that's for sure.
Wow - so sorry to hear that.
If anything, the stress and uncertainty of COVID probably affects people with mental illness as much as or more than people who are better able to deal with 'normal' stressors. It's a shame they couldn't somehow arrange teletherapy visits.
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It's a shame they couldn't somehow arrange teletherapy visits.
They might have, I dunno. Didn't pry.
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Here's a tangential report .. an in-law relative was in treatment for mental illness. Treatment came to a halt in March due to COVID shut-downs.
Fast forward 5 months (and many details) and he's taken his life. Might have happened anyhow, but COVID didn't help, that's for sure.
I am heartbroken for your family topper. Make sure you hug everyone today. Twice.
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Heartbreaking story topper.
Lenny here is hoping it stays mild with quick recovery and no lingering impacts.
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One of my daughters tested positive for COVID today. She works as a social worker at St David’s Hospital on the University of Texas campus. Virtually asymtomatic (runny nose that she thought was allergies, loss of sense of smell) and pretty much unfazed (told me that by the time this thing runs its course that they estimate 75% of health care workers will have had it). One wildcard - she’s pregnant with baby #3 and due in November.
Hoping for the best.
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Daughter's BFF wasn't able to get a test in Minneapolis (backlog in supplies, reagents, etc), so she drove down to Rochester, got tested at Mayo, and fortunately came back negative.
Happy about the result...but wtf is going on when a symptomatic person still can't get a test in a major city without waiting several days? If we were this disorganized in WWII, the war would have been over before we figured out how to build the first fighter jet and we would all be speaking German or Japanese.
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The answer to your question is the same as the answer to every question like it for the last 5 months. Still no plan.
BTW, 10 co-workers have now tested positive. 9 are only mildly symptomatic. One, the youngest, (27) is still at home but may go to the hospital shortly.
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Daughter's BFF wasn't able to get a test in Minneapolis (backlog in supplies, reagents, etc), so she drove down to Rochester, got tested at Mayo, and fortunately came back negative.
Happy about the result...but wtf is going on when a symptomatic person still can't get a test in a major city without waiting several days? If we were this disorganized in WWII, the war would have been over before we figured out how to build the first fighter jet and we would all be speaking German or Japanese.
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but we have NO national leader. If trump was prez on December 7, he would have called Hirohito to ask if he did it or not.
If our country still exists on Jan. 20, we go back to square one and start over (after we finish crying about the deaths in the wasted year).
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Here's a tangential report .. an in-law relative was in treatment for mental illness. Treatment came to a halt in March due to COVID shut-downs.
Fast forward 5 months (and many details) and he's taken his life. Might have happened anyhow, but COVID didn't help, that's for sure.
Heartbreaking, Topper. I can’t help but wonder how many stories like yours are out there.
On a happier note, my daughter’s doctor thinks she is nearly past this and all will be well. Thanks Gooooo, Frenns and Rico for your good wishes.
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I am heartbroken for your family topper. Make sure you hug everyone today. Twice.
Yeah .. making it worse .. his car was discovered abandoned which sparked a sizable missing person hunt. Took a week before a fisherman found him downstream.
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If trump was prez on December 7, he would have called Hirohito to ask if he did it or not.
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Heartbreaking, Topper. I can’t help but wonder how many stories like yours are out there.
On a happier note, my daughter’s doctor thinks she is nearly past this and all will be well. Thanks Gooooo, Frenns and Rico for your good wishes.
Lenny, just seeing this. Glad your daughter is on the mend.
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Lenny, just seeing this. Glad your daughter is on the mend.
Thanks - much appreciated.
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Thanks - much appreciated.
Best wishes for your daughter, Lenny. She is in our prayers.
(I hadn't see your post, either.)
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On a happier note, my daughter’s doctor thinks she is nearly past this and all will be well. Thanks Gooooo, Frenns and Rico for your good wishes.
Glad to hear about recoveries!
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Thanks Jockey and Hards!!
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Was at a funeral recently of a 77 year old man who lost a lengthy battle to COVID. He contracted it in May after being careful for 2 months but eventually some of his family said it's not big deal and its over blown. He let his guard down and attended a family party that was most outdoors. His grand daughter unknowingly had it, and spread it.
At the funeral his wife of 52 years greeted us and eventually broke down in tears about how she can't imagine life without her best friend.
I walked away in tears thinking of how a concentrated national approach that emphasized the dangers from Day 1 might have saved this woman's best friend. Instead people were conditioned to think it was just a hoax, or it would disappear, etc, etc, etc.
Words have consequences. Especially when they are from the POTUS and broadcast everyday on CNN and posted everyday on Twitter. Our POTUS was fighting this like it is a line item in a bill filled with left and right pork. It is not, it's a real threat, yet he doesn't understand that his words matter. Even if he did nothing more than say and model: 6 feet apart, masks at all times, that would have helped. It's so sad that a man consumed with power, has no idea how powerful he really is on issues like this.
So sad.
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Was at a funeral recently of a 77 year old man who lost a lengthy battle to COVID. He contracted it in May after being careful for 2 months but eventually some of his family said it's not big deal and its over blown. He let his guard down and attended a family party that was most outdoors. His grand daughter unknowingly had it, and spread it.
At the funeral his wife of 52 years greeted us and eventually broke down in tears about how she can't imagine life without her best friend.
I walked away in tears thinking of how a concentrated national approach that emphasized the dangers from Day 1 might have saved this woman's best friend. Instead people were conditioned to think it was just a hoax, or it would disappear, etc, etc, etc.
Words have consequences. Especially when they are from the POTUS and broadcast everyday on CNN and posted everyday on Twitter. Our POTUS was fighting this like it is a line item in a bill filled with left and right pork. It is not, it's a real threat, yet he doesn't understand that his words matter. Even if he did nothing more than say and model: 6 feet apart, masks at all times, that would have helped. It's so sad that a man consumed with power, has no idea how powerful he really is on issues like this.
So sad.
He knows exactly how powerful he/his words are
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Lens that is very sad for the individual but also the grand daughter. I hope she isn’t too hard on herself.
We have loosened up with our family to some degree and it’s this circumstance that keeps me up at night. The older set wants to interact but we still just don’t know - particularly with various parties out in the world to different degrees.
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Lens that is very sad for the individual but also the grand daughter. I hope she isn’t too hard on herself.
We have loosened up with our family to some degree and it’s this circumstance that keeps me up at night. The older set wants to interact but we still just don’t know - particularly with various parties out in the world to different degrees.
It is a tough call for families.
My in-laws are 80 and 90, and my wife and her sister have been doing their errands and handing groceries through the door. No direct contact. They are all sad to be missing out on their ritual Sunday afternoon lunches and other informal get togethers, but have decided they would rather give them a chance to live a few more years than risk infecting them. Despite their age, they are generally in very good health and could live several more healthy years, so are taking the long term approach.
Honestly I could see going either way - their long term approach, or limited and careful interactions. Like I said, I tough call.
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I lost my 89-year-old grandmother to covid in June. My close friend's 65-year-old father nearly died, was on a ventilator, but thankfully recovered (what’s weird is his wife never got it). Two acquaintances in their 20's have spent the last 60 days recovering from it. I think they will be ok. No one related to these people blames POTUS, anything he has said, or any other politician for that matter. Just silly.
I have 50 employees that need a paycheck. We are keeping them safe and working, every day. They are extremely grateful and have been doing a kick-ass job since March. If any of them tests positive, we have made the decision to pay them for their time off.
I am choosing to not live in fear. This virus is here, it will always be here to some degree, it’s another way to die, and I don’t blame Trump for that. Posters here like to shout, “You don’t trust the science!” Well I do, and I believe science will soon enable us to mitigate the death and suffering (and the fear!) to a large degree. Despite what I’ve been through, I’m choosing to live my life normally, but in a safe manner. I’ll wear a mask around others and keep my distance. We obviously all have our opinions. I have mine, you are entitled to yours. But again, I’m not living in fear, obsessing over what Trump did, what Cuomo did, what other governors did, what China did…blah, blah, blah. It’s just not worth it.
Rant off. Back to work. Go Warriors.
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I’m replying from my kids little league, in between innings, I’m not living in fear either.
And I don’t want to blame Trump. HOWEVER when you stand before the American people day after day and down play the severity and RT people who contradict your own admin guideline, you are part of the problem.
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I am choosing to not live in fear.
If this was directed at at me, I’m not sure what this even means
I’m living in reality—the virus has a good chance of not impacting me hard based on case data, but I know I could spread it quite easily. My wife and I are also out socially to some degree and working more (at office vs remote). So yes I think about that when my in-laws want to have Sunday dinner. Not sure that is fear based.
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I lost my 89-year-old grandmother to covid in June. My close friend's 65-year-old father nearly died, was on a ventilator, but thankfully recovered (what’s weird is his wife never got it). Two acquaintances in their 20's have spent the last 60 days recovering from it. I think they will be ok. No one related to these people blames POTUS, anything he has said, or any other politician for that matter. Just silly.
I have 50 employees that need a paycheck. We are keeping them safe and working, every day. They are extremely grateful and have been doing a kick-ass job since March. If any of them tests positive, we have made the decision to pay them for their time off.
I am choosing to not live in fear. This virus is here, it will always be here to some degree, it’s another way to die, and I don’t blame Trump for that. Posters here like to shout, “You don’t trust the science!” Well I do, and I believe science will soon enable us to mitigate the death and suffering (and the fear!) to a large degree. Despite what I’ve been through, I’m choosing to live my life normally, but in a safe manner. I’ll wear a mask around others and keep my distance. We obviously all have our opinions. I have mine, you are entitled to yours. But again, I’m not living in fear, obsessing over what Trump did, what Cuomo did, what other governors did, what China did…blah, blah, blah. It’s just not worth it.
Rant off. Back to work. Go Warriors.
I don’t close my eyes when I cross a busy street.
Am I living in fear?
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I lost my 89-year-old grandmother to covid in June. My close friend's 65-year-old father nearly died, was on a ventilator, but thankfully recovered (what’s weird is his wife never got it). Two acquaintances in their 20's have spent the last 60 days recovering from it. I think they will be ok. No one related to these people blames POTUS, anything he has said, or any other politician for that matter. Just silly.
I have 50 employees that need a paycheck. We are keeping them safe and working, every day. They are extremely grateful and have been doing a kick-ass job since March. If any of them tests positive, we have made the decision to pay them for their time off.
I am choosing to not live in fear. This virus is here, it will always be here to some degree, it’s another way to die, and I don’t blame Trump for that. Posters here like to shout, “You don’t trust the science!” Well I do, and I believe science will soon enable us to mitigate the death and suffering (and the fear!) to a large degree. Despite what I’ve been through, I’m choosing to live my life normally, but in a safe manner. I’ll wear a mask around others and keep my distance. We obviously all have our opinions. I have mine, you are entitled to yours. But again, I’m not living in fear, obsessing over what Trump did, what Cuomo did, what other governors did, what China did…blah, blah, blah. It’s just not worth it.
Rant off. Back to work. Go Warriors.
So, who, not living in fear, killed your grandma? Was it a grandchild? Will that mess with them for the rest of their lives? Who was the brave soul that killed her?
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Lens that is very sad for the individual but also the grand daughter. I hope she isn’t too hard on herself.
We have loosened up with our family to some degree and it’s this circumstance that keeps me up at night. The older set wants to interact but we still just don’t know - particularly with various parties out in the world to different degrees.
Interested to hear what led you to loosen up a bit?
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Both firefighters I work with have now lost parents to COVID. My department currently has 11 positive cases. Living in fear? The alarms are still coming. I got through a compressed travel baseball season including trips to Ohio and to Myrtle Beach for a week. But I haven't been inside a public building without a mask since St. Patrick's day.
I allow my parents to make their own choices.
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So, who, not living in fear, killed your grandma? Was it a grandchild? Will that mess with them for the rest of their lives? Who was the brave soul that killed her?
WHO KILLED his Grandma? That’s a sick remark if you’re trying to be funny. It’s a sick, ignorant and disgusting remark if you’re trying to be serious.
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WHO KILLED his Grandma? That’s a sick remark if you’re trying to be funny. It’s a sick, ignorant and disgusting remark if you’re trying to be serious.
If someone "being brave" gets someone sick, and that someone dies, then the 'brave' person should be tried for manslaughter. CMV
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If someone "being brave" gets someone sick, and that someone dies, then the 'brave' person should be tried for manslaughter. CMV
So let’s put everyone who has been within 6 feet of a human they don’t live with in the past 6 months in prison. If they test negative, it’s reckless endangerment. Positive, attempted manslaughter/murder 2 if anyone they have had contact with has actually died, take “attempted” out of the charges.
Good news is there’s plenty of room in our jails and the cops have plenty of time on their hands. And, of course, plenty of good citizens like yourself will turn yourselves in and rat out the kids.
For the first time in her sordid history America will be truly great!
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So let’s put everyone who has been within 6 feet of a human they don’t live with in the past 6 months in prison. If they test negative, it’s reckless endangerment. Positive, attempted manslaughter/murder 2 if anyone they have had contact with has actually died, take “attempted” out of the charges.
Good news is there’s plenty of room in our jails and the cops have plenty of time on their hands. And, of course, plenty of good citizens like yourself will turn yourselves in and rat out the kids.
For the first time in her sordid history America will be truly great!
Sounds like East Germany, eh?
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Sounds like East Germany, eh?
Utopia, a’ina?
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Introvert Utopia.
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Utopia, a’ina?
For about 8-10 here, yessir.
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So let’s put everyone who has been within 6 feet of a human they don’t live with in the past 6 months in prison. If they test negative, it’s reckless endangerment. Positive, attempted manslaughter/murder 2 if anyone they have had contact with has actually died, take “attempted” out of the charges.
Good news is there’s plenty of room in our jails and the cops have plenty of time on their hands. And, of course, plenty of good citizens like yourself will turn yourselves in and rat out the kids.
For the first time in her sordid history America will be truly great!
Let's just isolate 10% of the population in a bubble and rigorously test them for a couple weeks. Then put the other 90% in medically induced comas and just wait out a vaccine.
See problem solved. We can use it as a test run for deep space travel, and development of the matrix.
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So let’s put everyone who has been within 6 feet of a human they don’t live with in the past 6 months in prison. If they test negative, it’s reckless endangerment. Positive, attempted manslaughter/murder 2 if anyone they have had contact with has actually died, take “attempted” out of the charges.
Good news is there’s plenty of room in our jails and the cops have plenty of time on their hands. And, of course, plenty of good citizens like yourself will turn yourselves in and rat out the kids.
For the first time in her sordid history America will be truly great!
Because reckless interaction and careful regard for others are the same thing?
C'mon, Lenny. That makes my overreactions seem tame.
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Lenny, you would have been so mad at my priest today. Before quoting MLK in his sermon about the scripture readings telling us to love and accept 'the other', he pulled me aside before mass and told me that if he was in charge, everyone would be confined to their homes for 6 weeks with the National Guard patrolling the streets and handing out $50,000 fines for violators.
I appreciate the sentiment, though I do not think it is workable.
And we all need to do a better job of loving more and fearing less.
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Lenny, you would have been so mad at my priest today. Before quoting MLK in his sermon about the scripture readings telling us to love and accept 'the other', he pulled me aside before mass and told me that if he was in charge, everyone would be confined to their homes for 6 weeks with the National Guard patrolling the streets and handing out $50,000 fines for violators.
I appreciate the sentiment, though I do not think it is workable.
And we all need to do a better job of loving more and fearing less.
Tower,
The founding fathers would roll over in their graves at your priest’s suggestion. I thought the danger the left felt was from Trump “being a dictator”. Now it’s the solution? No thanks.
But I 100% agree with you - more love, less fear. And less judgement (including my own).
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Tower,
The founding fathers would roll over in their graves at your priest’s suggestion. I thought the danger the left felt was from Trump “being a dictator”. Now it’s the solution? No thanks.
But I 100% agree with you - more love, less fear. And less judgement (including my own).
Dude have you actually read up on the Founding Fathers and some of the things they supported?
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Tower,
The founding fathers would roll over in their graves at your priest’s suggestion. I thought the danger the left felt was from Trump “being a dictator”. Now it’s the solution? No thanks.
But I 100% agree with you - more love, less fear. And less judgement (including my own).
Instead of less fear, more love and less judgment, let’s go with be considerate and don’t be a scumbag.
Still a lot of scumbags around.
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As I tell rookies... Do the work. Don't be a jerk.
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Dude have you actually read up on the Founding Fathers and some of the things they supported?
Dude, I was talking about the form of government (a republic) that they wisely chose. But you knew that.
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The founding fathers would roll over in their graves at your priest’s suggestion. I thought the danger the left felt was from Trump “being a dictator”. Now it’s the solution? No thanks.
I'll be honest, my first thought when I read tower's post was "he's gotta be a Jesuit."
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Not a Jesuit. Two guys who tested positive have returned to work. Another tested positive. Now up to 12.
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Good friend who wears a mask 100% of the time outside the house has COVID. He got it from his son who returned to school last Monday.
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Good friend who wears a mask 100% of the time outside the house has COVID. He got it from his son who returned to school last Monday.
Very sad for your friend, but I suspect we are going to be hearing a lot of stories like this in the coming weeks.
Hope your friend gets through OK....
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Very sad for your friend, but I suspect we are going to be hearing a lot of stories like this in the coming weeks.
Hope your friend gets through OK....
Thanks. He should be fine. We got tested today at UMOS. The good news is his results came back in less than 48 hours.
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My county's schools just announced that there will be no middle school sports this semester.
So if I'm gonna get to coach hoops this season, we won't even be able to hold tryouts till Jan. 5, and then it would end up being a short season. I'm thinking they'll end up just killing the whole season.
I wasn't surprised by this, but still, to see it in black and white, it made me say, "Damn!"
I'm well aware that compared to those really affected by COVID-19, this "problem" is a microbe on a flea on a dog.
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My county's schools just announced that there will be no middle school sports this semester.
So if I'm gonna get to coach hoops this season, we won't even be able to hold tryouts till Jan. 5, and then it would end up being a short season. I'm thinking they'll end up just killing the whole season.
I wasn't surprised by this, but still, to see it in black and white, it made me say, "Damn!"
I'm well aware that compared to those really affected by COVID-19, this "problem" is a microbe on a flea on a dog.
Sorry to hear.
I think there's an opportunity to keep kids engaged, somehow. I think there will be a lot of kids this year with energy to burn. Weekly drills or something to keep them engaged, and burning off energy, might be a fun creative outlet for you in lieu of coaching?
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Sorry to hear.
I think there's an opportunity to keep kids engaged, somehow. I think there will be a lot of kids this year with energy to burn. Weekly drills or something to keep them engaged, and burning off energy, might be a fun creative outlet for you in lieu of coaching?
Absolutely, if the school allows it.
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Former AP sportswriter colleague of mine just died of COVID-19.
https://apnews.com/d22cfa1ba412521063e314be1202c0e8?fbclid=IwAR2AKaWGXjGDkzhYjHSlWYgHn8mbmk9kQDqyuIIqT_qB_OiR9qSjETpZ_T0
I had worked a couple events with him, but we didn't really know each other well. Still, it sucks.
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Just found out a friend tested positive and is currently quarantined. Check back in 10 days.
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Sorry to hear.
I think there's an opportunity to keep kids engaged, somehow. I think there will be a lot of kids this year with energy to burn. Weekly drills or something to keep them engaged, and burning off energy, might be a fun creative outlet for you in lieu of coaching?
My kids coach has been running weekly conditioning sessions since May - all outside, mostly running and ball handling drills, some light scrimmage. It's a great way to keep the kids connected and active, the coach from totally losing his mind (not to mention his revenue stream), and the parents happy.
The school is TBD, but their fallback plan is to have some form of intramural season. I'm not sure what the public schools are doing.
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A good friend’s four-year-old son was exposed at daycare. Now he and the whole family need to quarantine and be tested.
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Not necesarily "close to home" but unsure where to post this:
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/entertainment/20200902/reggae-singer-toots-hibbert-medically-induced-coma
Reggae singer Toots Hibbert in medically-induced coma
Legendary reggae singer Frederick ‘Toots’ Hibbert of Toots and the Maytals fame is now in a medically-induced coma at the University Hospital of the West Indies.
Toots, 78, was transferred there yesterday, his publicist Claude Mills told The Gleaner.
“Toots is fighting for his life and his family is asking for prayers,” Mills said.
It was revealed on Monday that the singer was awaiting results from a coronavirus test after displaying symptoms.
The test result is still pending, Mills said, but admitted that the Bam Bam singer was showing all the signs of the virus.
Members of the artiste's inner circle have self-quarantined and have taken COVID-19 tests as well.
Toots, a three-time winner of the Jamaica Festival Song competition, was one of the 10 finalists for 2020 and spoke with pride in an interview with The Gleaner in August about his entry, Rise Up Jamaicans.
He said he was pleased that he was able to contribute to the revitalisation of the competition.
It was less than a week ago that the prolific hitmaker, who has been in the business for close to six decades, released his latest album, Got To Be Tough, on the Trojan Jamaica label.
Toots is one of the most toured artistes out of Jamaica and is known for his hours-long sets on stages across the globe.
He has been consistently touring with his band, the Maytals, since the early 1970s, when his landmark album Funky Kingston made him a global superstar, opening for groups such as The Who and the Eagles.
Toots and the Maytals won the Grammy award for best reggae album in 2005 and he was awarded an Order of Distinction from the Jamaican government in 2012.
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The wife and I tested negative.
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The wife and I tested negative.
Good to hear!
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Just got an email from my kids' middle school .. a student tested positive.
Took 3 whole days of in-person teaching.
(That being said, if in-person teaching is gonna work, our district has the best shot. A third of the kids opted for all-virtual, a third are Mon-Tues, a third are Th-Fri. Each classroom is about 12 kids total, and they highly manage the hallways, etc.)
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Just got an email from my kids' middle school .. a student tested positive.
Took 3 whole days of in-person teaching.
(That being said, if in-person teaching is gonna work, our district has the best shot. A third of the kids opted for all-virtual, a third are Mon-Tues, a third are Th-Fri. Each classroom is about 12 kids total, and they highly manage the hallways, etc.)
What is the countermeasure/response?
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What is the countermeasure/response?
Basically .. nothing. Contact tracing of the students in "close contact" and sanitation.
Irritatingly, no demographic information was given. (e.g. it'd be nice to know what grade and what "cohort" (Mon-Tues/Thurs-Fri)) -- which means we need to rely on the grapevine for information.
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Basically .. nothing. Contact tracing of the students in "close contact" and sanitation.
Irritatingly, no demographic information was given. (e.g. it'd be nice to know what grade and what "cohort" (Mon-Tues/Thurs-Fri)) -- which means we need to rely on the grapevine for information.
At least you were notified. Our District so far is only notifying a small set of parents. Only 3rd grade parents at one school were notified of a recent positive in that grade - the parents of kids in other grades in that school were not notified. But word got out pretty quickly via Facebook and local media of course.
They also announced that there were two positive cases at a Middle School with no student contact - not sure if that was like a night janitor or something with the no student contact...
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The wife and I tested negative.
Outstanding.
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Just got an email from my kids' middle school .. a student tested positive.
Took 3 whole days of in-person teaching.
(That being said, if in-person teaching is gonna work, our district has the best shot. A third of the kids opted for all-virtual, a third are Mon-Tues, a third are Th-Fri. Each classroom is about 12 kids total, and they highly manage the hallways, etc.)
Pffftttt! It took 3 whole hours before we got the notice that someone at my highschooler's school tested positive, I shot you not. They didn't share if it was a student, teacher, administrator, or even custodial staff, but it implies someone went in after being tested. Where they symptomatic or just testing before in-person started? They haven't shared that information, but it is the cluster we all expected.
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I mean, you don’t really have a right to know anything beyond the basics. If it impacts your student, they will let you know.
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If it impacts your student, they will let you know.
Nature abhors a vacuum. The grapevine will fill it -- and possibly with misinformation. Be as transparent as possible, without divulging specifics. Otherwise -- chaos.
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I mean, you don’t really have a right to know anything beyond the basics. If it impacts your student, they will let you know.
Yeah this sounds great until the emails start coming out.
In March I started to get the ‘employee x wasn’t in direct contact with you but did use the common areas of clarity, b, c .’
So it doesn’t work great. Ultimate transparency or remove the risk. The in between seems chaotic.
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I mean, you don’t really have a right to know anything beyond the basics. If it impacts your student, they will let you know.
If you are a parent deciding whether to send your child into a school or keep them home for virtual learning, I think you have a right to know the basic demographics of any positive cases, so that you can make an informed decision about your child’s well-being. Obviously, I would be most concerned if the case was in my child’s classroom, but I would still have an interest in knowing that there was another person wandering around the school building with Covid.
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If you are a parent deciding whether to send your child into a school or keep them home for virtual learning, I think you have a right to know the basic demographics of any positive cases, so that you can make an informed decision about your child’s well-being. Obviously, I would be most concerned if the case was in my child’s classroom, but I would still have an interest in knowing that there was another person wandering around the school building with Covid.
You may have an interest, but you don't have a right to know.
So it doesn’t work great. Ultimate transparency or remove the risk. The in between seems chaotic.
Ultimate transparency isn't possible.
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You may have an interest, but you don't have a right to know.
I disagree. This is not a typical, run-of-the-mill illness; this is the worst pandemic in more than a century. Schools are tacitly acknowledging this already by giving more information than we typically get.
And as you and other stated in various threads, parents have to make the decision both on the best interests of their kids, and on their family-specific knowledge about who their kids might bring the virus home to. Since schools aren't privy to the knowledge of how many elderly or other at-risk people might be at every one their students' homes, parents need this information in order to make the exact types of decisions you advocated earlier. Are there any '2-risk factor' people in the home? How about several '1-risk factor' people? Only parents know this, and they have a right to information about the outbreak in order to protect their families.
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I disagree. This is not a typical, run-of-the-mill illness; this is the worst pandemic in more than a century. Schools are tacitly acknowledging this already by giving more information than we typically get.
And as you and other stated in various threads, parents have to make the decision both on the best interests of their kids, and on their family-specific knowledge about who their kids might bring the virus home to. Since schools aren't privy to the knowledge of how many elderly or other at-risk people might be at every one their students' homes, parents need this information in order to make the exact types of decisions you advocated earlier. Are there any '2-risk factor' people in the home? How about several '1-risk factor' people? Only parents know this, and they have a right to information about the outbreak in order to protect their families.
If you are determined to be a close contact, they should let you know. Otherwise, simply saying that someone in Room 102 tested positive, while your kid is in Room 313, shouldn't be relevant information.
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If you are determined to be a close contact, they should let you know. Otherwise, simply saying that someone in Room 102 tested positive, while your kid is in Room 313, shouldn't be relevant information.
This argument falls apart when Room 102's positive steps out into the hallway, the lunchroom, the bathroom. AND if we learned anything from the cruise ship debacles, COVID likely spread through HVAC systems.
I agree with Gooooo here. This is a lethal disease and every family has an unknown amount of health sensitivity and has rights too.
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If you are determined to be a close contact, they should let you know. Otherwise, simply saying that someone in Room 102 tested positive, while your kid is in Room 313, shouldn't be relevant information.
We are going to have to disagree on this one, Fluff. Families know best what their individual situations are and the level of risk they're going to accept in order to send their kids to school, and they can only determine this if they know what the situation is in the school.
Also, you are assuming that the kids in room 102 are always separated from the kids on room 313 - even on buses, and in the gym/lunchroom, and even walking to the bathroom between classes. The only way they would know this for sure is if they tracked the kids' movements electronically. As far as I know, no schools are doing this.
And when you add in 'Topper's comment about what we've learned about transmission through HVAC systems on cruise ships and in restaurants, all bets are off.
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So what do you want the schools to do? Publish a daily map of where the kids classrooms are, the route they walk down the hallways, the bathrooms they used, etc.
Sorry but that's an impossibility for ANY organization. What schools should do is alert parents if there is a positive case in their classroom, their bus route or any other close contact. And if they want to keep a dashboard, that's fine.
But other than that, more specific information isn't necessary.
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So what do you want the schools to do? Publish a daily map of where the kids classrooms are, the route they walk down the hallways, the bathrooms they used, etc.
Sorry but that's an impossibility for ANY organization. What schools should do is alert parents if there is a positive case in their classroom, their bus route or any other close contact. And if they want to keep a dashboard, that's fine.
But other than that, more specific information isn't necessary.
Nope, just an update on the number of kids who have tested positive, and the grade or classroom they are in. From there, the parents can decide their risk tolerance.
Is that an impossibility?
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This argument falls apart when Room 102's positive steps out into the hallway, the lunchroom, the bathroom. AND if we learned anything from the cruise ship debacles, COVID likely spread through HVAC systems.
I agree with Gooooo here. This is a lethal disease and every family has an unknown amount of health sensitivity and has rights too.
Or when the kid is around his brother at home who is in a different classroom.
We don't need to know personal information. The kid shouldn't be identified to other parents (which is probably illegal, anyway), but all parents should have general information about cases in their kid's school.
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Nope, just an update on the number of kids who have tested positive, and the grade or classroom they are in. From there, the parents can decide their risk tolerance.
Is that an impossibility?
If you can't assume that kids from one classroom aren't interacting with students from another, then what does it matter?
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If you can't assume that kids from one classroom aren't interacting with students from another, then what does it matter?
You seem to be implying that schools can guarantee that kids from one class won't interact with kids from another. And you were accusing me of placing unrealistic expectations on the school? Lol.
But to answer your question, it matters because if there is some interaction but no positive cases, the risk is low. If there is some interaction and lots of positive cases, the risk is greater. Simple math.
And then there's the HVAC.
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If you send your child back to school you should expect that someone in that school will test positive in the next month. Knowing WHO that kid is or WHERE they were won't change anything. If you're worried you shouldn't have sent your kid in the first place. Assume (like they have in downtown Madison) that if they were at the school with the kid, there is a chance they were exposed. Knowing that it was a 5th grader when your child is a 3rd grader has little impact. Sure, the chance that your 3rd grader has a LOWER chance of having been exposed, but it is definitely non-zero. So would you feel better if you knew it was a 20% chance? 10%? 70%?
Tracking an infected child's movement around a school is neigh impossible... especially if he was asymptomatic for three days.
The fact is that there will always be a risk, and anything above non-zero should be cause for worry. So just don't send your kids.
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If you send your child back to school you should expect that someone in that school will test positive in the next month. Knowing WHO that kid is or WHERE they were won't change anything. If you're worried you shouldn't have sent your kid in the first place. Assume (like they have in downtown Madison) that if they were at the school with the kid, there is a chance they were exposed. Knowing that it was a 5th grader when your child is a 3rd grader has little impact. Sure, the chance that your 3rd grader has a LOWER chance of having been exposed, but it is definitely non-zero. So would you feel better if you knew it was a 20% chance? 10%? 70%?
Tracking an infected child's movement around a school is neigh impossible... especially if he was asymptomatic for three days.
The fact is that there will always be a risk, and anything above non-zero should be cause for worry. So just don't send your kids.
And to think others have accused me of being anti-school earlier in the thread....
I am trying to come up with a reasonable way to balance the resources of the school with the necessary risk-balancing that parents must do, in an attempt to create a system wherein parents can be comfortable sending their kids to school. I didn't say the number has to be zero, and I haven't demanded 'tracking' of kids who test positive. Yet when I ask for reasonable data - the number of kids testing positive, and the grade and classroom - in order for parents to make an informed decision, the response is "just don't send your kids?"
Wow.
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And to think others have accused me of being anti-school earlier in the thread....
I am trying to come up with a reasonable way to balance the resources of the school with the necessary risk-balancing that parents must do, in an attempt to create a system wherein parents can be comfortable sending their kids to school. I didn't say the number has to be zero, and I haven't demanded 'tracking' of kids who test positive. Yet when I ask for reasonable data - the number of kids testing positive, and the grade and classroom - in order for parents to make an informed decision, the response is "just don't send your kids?"
Wow.
You can start with some changes to laws in the country. Schools can't and won't violate privacy laws because of the pandemic. And yes, that would be my decision if I had kids that are school aged. Either I'm comfortable with taking chances (I'm not) and I send them... or you know the saying... play stupid games...
Everyone in my immediate family and my in-laws are keeping their kids at home. It sure isn't great, but it's better than worrying about what is going on every day at school.
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Stupid question? Is this conversation specific to public schools?
If 'yes', I'll keep my opinion to myself.
If you're dealing with a private school I'm happy to share what our school has done to keep the kids/classes separated, maintain an clean environment and what the communication with with community plan is. Tomorrow will be the end of our 3rd week back and there have been zero cases of covid, or kids having covid symptoms (one strep throat), or kids quarantining because of exposure.
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You can start with some changes to laws in the country. Schools can't and won't violate privacy laws because of the pandemic. And yes, that would be my decision if I had kids that are school aged. Either I'm comfortable with taking chances (I'm not) and I send them... or you know the saying... play stupid games...
Everyone in my immediate family and my in-laws are keeping their kids at home. It sure isn't great, but it's better than worrying about what is going on every day at school.
Just FWIW - most privacy laws don't prohibit the release of basic demographics of contagious diseases as long as personal identifiers aren't disclosed, so I don't think any changes to the laws are necessary.
And personally, I agree with you on not sending kids. If mine were still school-aged, I would keep them home too. But one of the main reasons is exactly what we've been talking about - the lack of transparency that would be necessary to make an informed decision. I was trying to find a middle ground that the 'pro-classroom' and 'stay home' parents could be comfortable with. Obviously, most attempts to find middle grounds are futile these days.
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Stupid question? Is this conversation specific to public schools?
If 'yes', I'll keep my opinion to myself.
If you're dealing with a private school I'm happy to share what our school has done to keep the kids/classes separated, maintain an clean environment and what the communication with with community plan is. Tomorrow will be the end of our 3rd week back and there have been zero cases of covid, or kids having covid symptoms (one strep throat), or kids quarantining because of exposure.
Depends on county... I think. Personally, I think private schools are more invested, have more power over policy, and are generally much smaller. They stand a much better chance of not having cases pop up. Of course, they are not immune, but statistically, the chances should be lower than public schools.
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Just FWIW - most privacy laws don't prohibit the release of basic demographics of contagious diseases as long as personal identifiers aren't disclosed, so I don't think any changes to the laws are necessary.
And personally, I agree with you on not sending kids. If mine were still school-aged, I would keep them home too. But one of the main reasons is exactly what we've been talking about - the lack of transparency that would be necessary to make an informed decision. I was trying to find a middle ground that the 'pro-classroom' and 'stay home' parents could be comfortable with. Obviously, most attempts to find middle grounds are futile these days.
Maybe. I'm sure it will be litigated. But schools are trying to CYA. Better to have an upset parent rather than a potential privacy lawsuit.
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Depends on county... I think. Personally, I think private schools are more invested, have more power over policy, and are generally much smaller. They stand a much better chance of not having cases pop up. Of course, they are not immune, but statistically, the chances should be lower than public schools.
That's why I asked. We were able to implement a plan specific to our school layout and throw a ton of resources at the problem. Not an option for public so what we did wouldn't be helpful at all, but (so far) we're having better results than other similar private schools in the area who didn't take all the steps we did.
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That's why I asked. We were able to implement a plan specific to our school layout and throw a ton of resources at the problem. Not an option for public so what we did wouldn't be helpful at all, but (so far) we're having better results than other similar private schools in the area who didn't take all the steps we did.
Our school is similar. Lunches in the classroom. Different entrances and exits. Outdoor classes. Air purifiers. Separate play areas on the playground. No mixing of classrooms. Masks, sanitize out, wash in.
Of course, Dane Co randomly limited school to k-2, so not the same as having K-8 there, but there was a livestream option for all grades.
Good to see the empty nesters and the no kids experts continue to weigh in, despite no knowledge of the actual situation. ::) ::)
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Our school is similar. Lunches in the classroom. Different entrances and exits. Outdoor classes. Air purifiers. Separate play areas on the playground. No mixing of classrooms. Masks, sanitize out, wash in.
Of course, Dane Co randomly limited school to k-2, so not the same as having K-8 there, but there was a livestream option for all grades.
Good to see the empty nesters and the no kids experts continue to weigh in, despite no knowledge of the actual situation. ::) ::)
Sounds exactly like us. We're fortunate that K and younger are in a different building on campus and 1&2, 3-5, and 6-8 each have their own floors where dedicated entrance/exits could be established.
The big difference between us and the other private schools in the area is we seem to be one of the few that put up outdoor classrooms and went with an air purification system that uses dried hydrogen peroxide.
If we were public our kids would be virtual.
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Our school is similar. Lunches in the classroom. Different entrances and exits. Outdoor classes. Air purifiers. Separate play areas on the playground. No mixing of classrooms. Masks, sanitize out, wash in.
Of course, Dane Co randomly limited school to k-2, so not the same as having K-8 there, but there was a livestream option for all grades.
Good to see the empty nesters and the no kids experts continue to weigh in, despite no knowledge of the actual situation. ::) ::)
I mean Zigs, you talk about a lot of things that you nothing about too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Depends on county... I think. Personally, I think private schools are more invested, have more power over policy, and are generally much smaller. They stand a much better chance of not having cases pop up. Of course, they are not immune, but statistically, the chances should be lower than public schools.
Do they do this because the money incentive is much stronger for private schools?
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Our school is similar. Lunches in the classroom. Different entrances and exits. Outdoor classes. Air purifiers. Separate play areas on the playground. No mixing of classrooms. Masks, sanitize out, wash in.
Of course, Dane Co randomly limited school to k-2, so not the same as having K-8 there, but there was a livestream option for all grades.
Good to see the empty nesters and the no kids experts continue to weigh in, despite no knowledge of the actual situation. ::) ::)
Just FWIW, some of us empty nesters have spouses that work in the local school, so don't assume we have no knowledge of the actual situation.... ::) ::)
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Just FWIW, some of us empty nesters have spouses that work in the local school, so don't assume we have no knowledge of the actual situation.... ::) ::)
You can't have opinions about things unless you have kids. Because the people with kids know better. Cause they raw-dogged that one time.
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You can't have opinions about things unless you have kids. Because the people with kids know better. Cause they raw-dogged that one time.
Stay in your lane son. Some of us have raw-dogged both times we've had post marital relations and have two kids. Rough math tells me that makes my opinion twice as insightful.
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You can't have opinions about things unless you have kids. Because the people with kids know better. Cause they raw-dogged that one time.
Or, people with kids are getting constant communication from our schools and know what is going on first hand.
You, on the otherhand, should always use protection. We dont need people like you to be reproducing.
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Our school is similar. Lunches in the classroom. Different entrances and exits. Outdoor classes. Air purifiers. Separate play areas on the playground. No mixing of classrooms. Masks, sanitize out, wash in.
Of course, Dane Co randomly limited school to k-2, so not the same as having K-8 there, but there was a livestream option for all grades.
Good to see the empty nesters and the no kids experts continue to weigh in, despite no knowledge of the actual situation. ::) ::)
Did you dunk in high school too?
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Did you dunk in high school too?
No, couldn't palm the ball and didnt have the hops.
Baseball was my sport. Thanks for asking, doe.
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Stay in your lane son. Some of us have raw-dogged both times we've had post marital relations and have two kids. Rough math tells me that makes my opinion twice as insightful.
I talked to my wife and she asked you to stop bullying me online. Thanks in advance.
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The person sitting next to my daughter in school has been diagnosed with Covid, so my daughter is at home quarantine for 14 days.
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The person sitting next to my daughter in school has been diagnosed with Covid, so my daughter is at home quarantine for 14 days.
Our school had a kid test positive .. they quarantined 3 others who sat around the student. -- But imagine being the kid who sat next to one of the 3, just out of the 12 foot circle? Hmmmmm.
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Our school had a kid test positive .. they quarantined 3 others who sat around the student. -- But imagine being the kid who sat next to one of the 3, just out of the 12 foot circle? Hmmmmm.
Close contacts of close contacts shouldn't need to be quarantined.
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Close contacts of close contacts shouldn't need to be quarantined.
Hard to say without knowing the airflow patterns in the room. That's why this is so difficult....
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Four months after being sent home from the hospital as a COVID "survivor," one of my wife's friends is still feeling serious effects. Mostly, she gets dizzy, she gets exhausted easily, she has rapid heartbeat.
She is 40, had no pre-existing conditions, is not obese and was physically active (mostly running) before COVID struck.
I am hearing more stories like this, though nationally this is one of the under-reported stories of this terrible pandemic. It is believed there are hundreds of thousands of these so-called COVID "long haulers." Because of the newness of the virus it is unknown how many of these poor folks will be afflicted for the rest of their lives or for a period of years, months or weeks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/health/coronavirus-mental-health-long-hauler.html
This helps shoot down the belief some have that "I might as well get it over with and get infected with COVID" ... because once you get infected, you might not be "getting it over with" for a long time after you avoid death.
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Four months after being sent home from the hospital as a COVID "survivor," one of my wife's friends is still feeling serious effects. Mostly, she gets dizzy, she gets exhausted easily, she has rapid heartbeat.
She is 40, had no pre-existing conditions, is not obese and was physically active (mostly running) before COVID struck.
I am hearing more stories like this, though nationally this is one of the under-reported stories of this terrible pandemic. It is believed there are hundreds of thousands of these so-called COVID "long haulers." Because of the newness of the virus it is unknown how many of these poor folks will be afflicted for the rest of their lives or for a period of years, months or weeks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/health/coronavirus-mental-health-long-hauler.html
This helps shoot down the believe some have that "I might as well get it over with and get infected with COVID" ... because once you get infected, you might not be "getting it over with" for a long time after you avoid death.
Sorry to hear. Way too many people think that if you don’t die from the virus, everything will be fine. Or that you are only at risk for death or long-term consequences if you have comorbidities.
Unfortunately, it isn’t that simple.
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Two things that happened this weekend.
First, my old scout troop held a court of honor and based on the pictures posted on FB it was very well attended and no face masks in sight. It was outside, so that part was good. There were young people and old people and everyone in between. It looked like a normal court of honor before covid. People interacting and celebrating the successes of the youth. I did not go, so I don't know if there were face masks or other social distancing in place when the camera was not snapping pictures.
Second, another of my FB friends went on a camping weekend with a bunch of other young families and did a demolition derby with stands filled with people and then on Sunday did a kayaking trip down the river with another ton of people. Her comment on FB is why this one is interesting, she said "It felt like a “normal” (pre-Covid) weekend."
Where I live we do not have a ton of covid cases. The mayor is only reporting about 7 new cases or so per week in my zip code. So that is not a lot. However, it sure seems to me that we are on the cusp of an explosion. One super-spreader event away. I believe we should be more cautious in the coming months.
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Two things that happened this weekend.
First, my old scout troop held a court of honor and based on the pictures posted on FB it was very well attended and no face masks in sight. It was outside, so that part was good. There were young people and old people and everyone in between. It looked like a normal court of honor before covid. People interacting and celebrating the successes of the youth. I did not go, so I don't know if there were face masks or other social distancing in place when the camera was not snapping pictures.
Second, another of my FB friends went on a camping weekend with a bunch of other young families and did a demolition derby with stands filled with people and then on Sunday did a kayaking trip down the river with another ton of people. Her comment on FB is why this one is interesting, she said "It felt like a “normal” (pre-Covid) weekend."
Where I live we do not have a ton of covid cases. The mayor is only reporting about 7 new cases or so per week in my zip code. So that is not a lot. However, it sure seems to me that we are on the cusp of an explosion. One super-spreader event away. I believe we should be more cautious in the coming months.
The demolition derby seems excessive but is camping bad assuming you're outdoors the whole time when with others and not all in one big tent or cabin?
I went camping this past weekend with my GF's friends (separate tents per household) and have kayaked the Chicago river during this whole ordeal and I wouldn't say either one felt unsafe.
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The demolition derby seems excessive but is camping bad assuming you're outdoors the whole time when with others and not all in one big tent or cabin?
I went camping this past weekend with my GF's friends (separate tents per household) and have kayaked the Chicago river during this whole ordeal and I wouldn't say either one felt unsafe.
Generally Agree. Been camping this summer (just me & my wife) , also went river tubing. Certainly in both situations there were some larger groups (a couple families together) that were probably "too close", but it was easy enough to keep my distance from them and have a great time.
I believe we should be more cautious in the coming months.
This I also believe. If these same outdoor groups move their activities indoors for the winter, there will be much bigger problems than we already have.
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Generally Agree. Been camping this summer (just me & my wife) , also went river tubing. Certainly in both situations there were some larger groups (a couple families together) that were probably "too close", but it was easy enough to keep my distance from them and have a great time.
This I also believe. If these same outdoor groups move their activities indoors for the winter, there will be much bigger problems than we already have.
This. If there was ever a year where we need a warm fall plus another one of those weird two weeks of 50 degrees in January this is it.
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If these same outdoor groups move their activities indoors for the winter, there will be much bigger problems than we already have.
I was thinking about this today. Here in the midwest, we started this in mid March, which meant we just went through a few weeks of this before we could start doing more stuff outdoors.
What's going to happen in about a month? We are going to be heading into a six month timeframe, including the Holidays, were social activities are important for mental health AND also primarily indoors. It's going to be bad.
My wife and I have been going to a local place for dinner that has a nice outdoor space. Well this Friday it's going to be about 60 degrees so that's not going to happen. And we won't have many warm weekends left. And I'm tired of pickup and delivery.
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I was thinking about this today. Here in the midwest, we started this in mid March, which meant we just went through a few weeks of this before we could start doing more stuff outdoors.
What's going to happen in about a month? We are going to be heading into a six month timeframe, including the Holidays, were social activities are important for mental health AND also primarily indoors. It's going to be bad.
My wife and I have been going to a local place for dinner that has a nice outdoor space. Well this Friday it's going to be about 60 degrees so that's not going to happen. And we won't have many warm weekends left. And I'm tired of pickup and delivery.
Always room for another outdoor heater on a restaurants patio. I think it'll be fine to dine outdoors most days till the frosty winds pick up in mid November.
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I went camping this past weekend with my GF's friends (separate tents per household) and have kayaked the Chicago river during this whole ordeal and I wouldn't say either one felt unsafe.
I would tend to agree, in smaller groups. Larger groups eating around picnic tables and such, with families, well, the social distancing, even if outside tends to disappear. We went camping earlier in the year with some close friends and ended up spending a fair amount of time inside the camper together.
It wasn't so much the activity that got me as her comment. Felt like normal. I think people want that and are willing to take added risks to have that. Going into fall and winter well, as others have noted in their comments, it is not a good thing I don't think.
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Positive case in my kid's daycare class. No childcare until 11/11.
Fun times!
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
I’ll say a prayer for them. If you live near them, keep a close watch.
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
Best wishes, jesmu.
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
Hoping for the best for your family
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
I hope your parents get through this quickly, jesmu84.
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
Don't be afraid to get them to the hospital early if they need it. Best.
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2 friends (both teachers) and their teenage daughter tested positive. Bad for for him as he was scheduled for radiation treatments this week for esophageal cancer. A D-i-L has had it the last week but not too bad after 1st few days.
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Both my 70 year old parents diagnosed this week. Mom had one test last week that was negative before positive this week. She's far more symptomatic than my dad who only has a cough
Stay strong and best wishes
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The young firefighter/former marine working with me today received a call from his wife this morning. She works in a day care and an infant last at the daycare in 10/29 tested positive over the weekend. She doesn't think she was exposed, bit isn't sure.
He is working overtime with me today. As my department is currently undergoing our third round of positive cases, we can't afford to send him home, as we currently have over a dozen, or 6% of the department, in quarantine.
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the mom of one of my wife's friends passed from COVID on Friday. When it was put up on Facebook an immediate reply from a Trumper friend (not a random person) was "what underlying condition did she really die from?"
They have no shame.
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the mom of one of my wife's friends passed from COVID on Friday. When it was put up on Facebook an immediate reply from a Trumper friend (not a random person) was "what underlying condition did she really die from?"
They have no shame.
Wow. Sadly, not surprising.
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the mom of one of my wife's friends passed from COVID on Friday. When it was put up on Facebook an immediate reply from a Trumper friend (not a random person) was "what underlying condition did she really die from?"
They have no shame.
The politicization of death. How terribly sad, desperate and inappropriate.
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the mom of one of my wife's friends passed from COVID on Friday. When it was put up on Facebook an immediate reply from a Trumper friend (not a random person) was "what underlying condition did she really die from?"
They have no shame.
I've been shocked by some of the callous facebook posts on friends feeds who have lost loved ones to this. Disgusting vile comments.
What the hell has happened to people?
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Best to all mentioned in the above posts.
I,too, have seen on FB the immediate question about underlying conditions, or questioning what the ‘real’ diagnosis was
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What the hell has happened to people?
These folks made it OK to be a$$holes
(https://socialistworker.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/425/images/Miller-Bannon-Trump-montage-a.jpg)
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My cousin passed away a week ago. It wasn't the most pleasant conversations I've ever had with my grandmother trying to convince her not to travel to Tennessee to be with family. This stuff sucks
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My cousin passed away a week ago. It wasn't the most pleasant conversations I've ever had with my grandmother trying to convince her not to travel to Tennessee to be with family. This stuff sucks
Sorry to hear about your cousin. Yeah - this definitely sucks....
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My 15 year old son’s best friend has it. She has asthma, so it’s a worry, though only minor symptoms so far.
Parents thought Covid was no big deal. Only wore masks when forced. Attended large gatherings. Kid attended school in person.
Hopefully she turns out okay.
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For the record, I have not been inside a public building without a mask since St. Patrick's day. I have been as OCD as possible. Last Monday, I went to two fires in 3 hours. We don't wear surgical masks when on scene at fires. On Tuesday, I went to the dentist. Based on onset of symptoms, I was exposed M-T-W. The crap part is that I scrimmaged with my son's 8th grade basketball team on Wednesday and Thursday. Wearing a very good multi-layer Under Armour mask at all times. But now I may have torpedoed the entire season for his team. So, some serious guilt there.
I may have infected my very good friend getting a hug from him after my hole-in-one. More guilt.
Which leads me to ask, where is the shame? I feel like a complete and utter pretty boy for exposing my circle before I was symptomatic. I am going to be hiding out in my basement for the next 10 days. I have put my family in danger. Despite taking every precaution. I am now a statistic.
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For the record, I have not been inside a public building without a mask since St. Patrick's day. I have been as OCD as possible. Last Monday, I went to two fires in 3 hours. We don't wear surgical masks when on scene at fires. On Tuesday, I went to the dentist. Based on onset of symptoms, I was exposed M-T-W. The crap part is that I scrimmaged with my son's 8th grade basketball team on Wednesday and Thursday. Wearing a very good multi-layer Under Armour mask at all times. But now I may have torpedoed the entire season for his team. So, some serious guilt there.
I may have infected my very good friend getting a hug from him after my hole-in-one. More guilt.
Which leads me to ask, where is the shame? I feel like a complete and utter pretty boy for exposing my circle before I was symptomatic. I am going to be hiding out in my basement for the next 10 days. I have put my family in danger. Despite taking every precaution. I am now a statistic.
I'm sorry man, I appreciate you sharing that all. Takes big donkey balls to talk about your feelings like that.
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One shouldn’t feel shame for catching a disease as communicable as Covid. People can’t be 100% vigilant at all times.
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Your story exemplifies why this disease is so scary - we can make personal decisions to reduce our risk, but it’s nearly impossible to eliminate it without living in a cave.
You did your best and took all the precautions a responsible person would take. That’s all we can expect of ourselves.
Be well.
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Yeah, with the pervasiveness right now, it could have been anything.
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For the record, I have not been inside a public building without a mask since St. Patrick's day. I have been as OCD as possible. Last Monday, I went to two fires in 3 hours. We don't wear surgical masks when on scene at fires. On Tuesday, I went to the dentist. Based on onset of symptoms, I was exposed M-T-W. The crap part is that I scrimmaged with my son's 8th grade basketball team on Wednesday and Thursday. Wearing a very good multi-layer Under Armour mask at all times. But now I may have torpedoed the entire season for his team. So, some serious guilt there.
I may have infected my very good friend getting a hug from him after my hole-in-one. More guilt.
Which leads me to ask, where is the shame? I feel like a complete and utter pretty boy for exposing my circle before I was symptomatic. I am going to be hiding out in my basement for the next 10 days. I have put my family in danger. Despite taking every precaution. I am now a statistic.
Saying some prayers for you. That’s the most frustrating thing. No matter how many precautions, it can slip through.
If it makes you feel better, I’ve heard a few close calls people had with positive people and their tests came back negative. From a 3 hour car ride, eating at a restaurant, and a walk outside. I think the golf is minimal risk and wearing a mask at the scrimmage should mitigate the risk of spread.
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Yeah, with the pervasiveness right now, it could have been anything.
That is the really scary part. I know multiple people that are in the same situation. All the precautions. Still got it.
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My dad has almost fully recovered - played golf yesterday.
My mom was in the hospital over the weekend with severe dehydration secondary to GI symptoms. She's back home now and improving. Luckily, avoided any respiratory symptoms. She was given Dex, but no other medications.
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My dad has almost fully recovered - played golf yesterday.
My mom was in the hospital over the weekend with severe dehydration secondary to GI symptoms. She's back home now and improving. Luckily, avoided any respiratory symptoms. She was given Dex, but no other medications.
I just saw your post at the top of this thread and was worried, because we haven't heard anything. Glad to hear they are recovering.
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Glad to hear your parents are improving, jesmu84.
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Great to hear for both of them
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My mom who turns 69 in 2 weeks is in quarantine along with my dad who just turned 70. She dropped off some stuff at their neighbors house who failed to inform her she had tested positive for Covid. This was on Saturday afternoon. By Sunday morning, the neighbor was in the hospital and that’s when she decided to tell my mom
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My mom who turns 69 in 2 weeks is in quarantine along with my dad who just turned 70. She dropped off some stuff at their neighbors house who failed to inform her she had tested positive for Covid. This was on Saturday afternoon. By Sunday morning, the neighbor was in the hospital and that’s when she decided to tell my mom
So sorry to hear. With a serious contagious illness like this, people who test positive need to be VERY proactive in informing possible contacts of their diagnosis.
I hope this proves to be nothing for your parents, Rico.
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Good luck, UR.
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Quick healing, tower.
How is the rest of your family?
We've known 2 people that have gotten covid this fall, but didnt pass it on to kids or spouse. Just doesnt make sense.
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We've known 2 people that have gotten covid this fall, but didnt pass it on to kids or spouse. Just doesnt make sense.
The findings about superspreaders are really interesting - i think the stat i heard was in typical pareto territory (80% of the spread are from 20% of people). It is one theory why Japan has done pretty well with little restrictions.
So highly contagious - sort of?
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The findings about superspreaders are really interesting - i think the stat i heard was in typical pareto territory (80% of the spread are from 20% of people). It is one theory why Japan has done pretty well with little restrictions.
So highly contagious - sort of?
I *really* wish they could define what makes a "superspreader" soon. Then we could target them with vaccines first.
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Quick healing, tower.
How is the rest of your family?
We've known 2 people that have gotten covid this fall, but didnt pass it on to kids or spouse. Just doesnt make sense.
I have heard of 3 families over the past 2 weeks with the same thing. Mom or dad tests positive but kids and spouse never do. I think this all has to do with viral load. I was reading some articles last night that the covid testing cycles will find even the smallest of traces of the virus. good if you it is early and not so good if you have had it for a while. I am guessing the viral load is lower in people that are masked up and have been around others that are masked up.
Here are the articles I read last night some good info.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/one-number-could-help-reveal-how-infectious-covid-19-patient-should-test-results
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/09/01/covid-tests
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I have heard of 3 families over the past 2 weeks with the same thing. Mom or dad tests positive but kids and spouse never do. I think this all has to do with viral load. I was reading some articles last night that the covid testing cycles will find even the smallest of traces of the virus. good if you it is early and not so good if you have had it for a while. I am guessing the viral load is lower in people that are masked up and have been around others that are masked up.
Here are the articles I read last night some good info.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/one-number-could-help-reveal-how-infectious-covid-19-patient-should-test-results
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/09/01/covid-tests
Michael Mina has done a lot of work and research re: testing as well if you check his Twitter. We are not using the PCR test to its fullest extent — cycles can be informative.
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I am going to say it -
Anyone who tests positive and doesn't completely quarantine themselves is flat-out evil.
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I am going to say it -
Anyone who tests positive and doesn't completely quarantine themselves is flat-out evil.
Or stupid.
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I am going to say it -
Anyone who tests positive and doesn't completely quarantine themselves is flat-out evil.
Yeah, I was thinking that...and should have just come out and said it. Recklessly risking others' lives like that is unconscionable.
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Michael Mina has done a lot of work and research re: testing as well if you check his Twitter. We are not using the PCR test to its fullest extent — cycles can be informative.
yes he is a great follow
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An update: I am still symptomatic. I have not had breathing issues. I have checked most of the other boxes. Headache, body aches, intermittent fever, altered taste, gastro intestinal distress, lethargy. As long as I can breathe, everything else is just an inconvenience.
Family is asymptomatic.
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An update: I am still symptomatic. I have not had breathing issues. I have checked most of the other boxes. Headache, body aches, intermittent fever, altered taste, gastro intestinal distress, lethargy. As long as I can breathe, everything else is just an inconvenience.
Family is asymptomatic.
Thanks for the update, tower. Glad to hear about the family, and still hoping for a rapid return to normalcy for you.
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An update: I am still symptomatic. I have not had breathing issues. I have checked most of the other boxes. Headache, body aches, intermittent fever, altered taste, gastro intestinal distress, lethargy. As long as I can breathe, everything else is just an inconvenience.
Family is asymptomatic.
Glad to hear it, get well soon!
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Thanks for the update Tower. Hope you improve soon.
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Found out that a friend’s father died this week from Covid, and she, her mother and her sister all tested positive, with light symptoms. She has moved in with her mother temporarily to isolate from her husband and son
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That is a big pile of suck.
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Found out that a friend’s father died this week from Covid, and she, her mother and her sister all tested positive, with light symptoms. She has moved in with her mother temporarily to isolate from her husband and son
I am so sorry about your Friend's Dad. I hope your friend, her mom and sister all recover ok.
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I am going to say it -
Anyone who tests positive and doesn't completely quarantine themselves is flat-out evil.
Yep - reminds me of the story of the Missouri poll worker who tested Covid positive on 10/30 and still worked at the polls despite being told they needed to quarantine. The person died soon after the election - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/missouri-poll-worker-positive-covid-19-still-worked-shift-died-n1246620
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My good friend's wife has been diagnosed with the virus.
We had dinner scheduled with them for this past Saturday, but we decided to cancel given the stay at home order in Illinois and the rising cases in the region. Small blessings for us. Worried about them, and their little kid, and my friend's aging mother that provides most of their childcare. Being a frontline worker through this thing has been a nightmare for them and their family.
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I am currently in quarantine until this Saturday, my 8th grade son tested positive on Saturday the 7th. We are fortunate to have a lake house, so he and my wife went there as soon as we got the positive test result for him. My wife has been feeling like crap the last few days, got tested today even though she feels better today than yesterday and the day before. My son is feeling better but still just feels tired, but no real symptoms anymore.
I'm quarantined with our 3 other kids, we all got tested, so far we have results for me and my sophomore daughter. Both negative so that's a relief. Waiting for results from my two youngest assuming they will be negative too.
I had an aunt die of Covid a few months ago, my close friend's dad just died from Covid about two weeks ago. This virus is just scary due to how unpredictable it is. Good luck everyone. stay safe, wear your mask.
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I am currently in quarantine until this Saturday, my 8th grade son tested positive on Saturday the 7th. We are fortunate to have a lake house, so he and my wife went there as soon as we got the positive test result for him. My wife has been feeling like crap the last few days, got tested today even though she feels better today than yesterday and the day before. My son is feeling better but still just feels tired, but no real symptoms anymore.
I'm quarantined with our 3 other kids, we all got tested, so far we have results for me and my sophomore daughter. Both negative so that's a relief. Waiting for results from my two youngest assuming they will be negative too.
I had an aunt die of Covid a few months ago, my close friend's dad just died from Covid about two weeks ago. This virus is just scary due to how unpredictable it is. Good luck everyone. stay safe, wear your mask.
Best wishes for your whole family, Tortuga. Glad to hear your wife and son are feeling better, and that there seems to be no sign of infection with you and your other kids. And sorry to hear about your aunt. Be well.
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I had some leftover strains (hip glut very tight) from golf season. After the physical therapist stretched me out for a week, feels better. Then I get call 11/09/20, the therapist tested positive. We both were masked at the time, but i had to get tested. Thank God today tested negative.
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I went to church on 11/1, Chicago archdiocese so there are protocols in place. Got the dreaded email notification 11/7 that someone tested positive, cancelled outdoor plans for that evening and got tested 11/8, negative 11/10.
I think helping with hospitality actually worked well for me, as I stood in the back after everyone checked in, at least 30 feet away from the nearest person.
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I am currently in quarantine until this Saturday, my 8th grade son tested positive on Saturday the 7th. We are fortunate to have a lake house, so he and my wife went there as soon as we got the positive test result for him. My wife has been feeling like crap the last few days, got tested today even though she feels better today than yesterday and the day before. My son is feeling better but still just feels tired, but no real symptoms anymore.
I'm quarantined with our 3 other kids, we all got tested, so far we have results for me and my sophomore daughter. Both negative so that's a relief. Waiting for results from my two youngest assuming they will be negative too.
I had an aunt die of Covid a few months ago, my close friend's dad just died from Covid about two weeks ago. This virus is just scary due to how unpredictable it is. Good luck everyone. stay safe, wear your mask.
Get better soon, Tort, and that goes for your entire family.
This is such an insidious virus. Sad to hear about your aunt.
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Good luck to everyone
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Anyone testing positive or please get well soon.
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Yes.
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I had some leftover strains (hip glut very tight) from golf season. After the physical therapist stretched me out for a week, feels better. Then I get call 11/09/20, the therapist tested positive. We both were masked at the time, but i had to get tested. Thank God today tested negative.
I went to church on 11/1, Chicago archdiocese so there are protocols in place. Got the dreaded email notification 11/7 that someone tested positive, cancelled outdoor plans for that evening and got tested 11/8, negative 11/10.
I think helping with hospitality actually worked well for me, as I stood in the back after everyone checked in, at least 30 feet away from the nearest person.
Please stay quarantined for the entire 14 days. A negative test could both be a false negative, or simply that you are still in the incubation period.
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I’m done with the fourteen days, so think all is well. My neighbor kindly bought milk and juice for me, which was all I actually needed from the store.
I’ll admit to taking solo walks though once I got the result. But not anywhere where I couldn’t cross the street to avoid anyone, and it was very early so people wouldn’t be around. I even avoided our neighborhood parkway gathering on one of those nice days.
I was worried more because during the week before getting the email, I had done walks with several different people, though we stay masked and distanced.
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I had looked up the definition of ‘casual exposure’’, which is what the email said had occurred, and while it didn’t state to get a test, I did for my peace of mind.
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I had some leftover strains (hip glut very tight) from golf season. After the physical therapist stretched me out for a week, feels better. Then I get call 11/09/20, the therapist tested positive. We both were masked at the time, but i had to get tested. Thank God today tested negative.
Great news! We have a friend who is a massage therapist who has been seeing clients. So far so good, and no one has gotten it.
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My mom went into the dr yesterday cause she has been struggling with her breathing and just not feeling good. Dr said it was just her copd flair up and she needs to get out of the house more and get fresh air. The dr also said who knows you could have had covid a few weeks ago and that caused this flair up. She then asked my mom if she wanted a covid test. Said if she was positive on the rapid test (nasal swab done in about 20-30 minutes) she would get the same drug trump got. The dr said that drug has been proven to be very effective against covid and would help her after about an hour of iv treatment.
So test was negative but they are running it through the more detailed test which will take a few days to get back. She said the rapid test is pretty accurate and she would be shocked if it came back positive
Now I am completely confused on testing and meds for covid. I thought tests were hard to come by and you had to wait hours in line? All I have heard is tests are not available at clinics. (my daughter had an ear infection and they said if she wanted a covid test they could schedule one for her and sent her to a drive up or the hospital to get it done)
When did we get rapid tests out there for non athletes? If this trump drug is so effective why in the world is it not being mass produced and saving lives all over the world.
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My mom went into the dr yesterday cause she has been struggling with her breathing and just not feeling good. Dr said it was just her copd flair up and she needs to get out of the house more and get fresh air. The dr also said who knows you could have had covid a few weeks ago and that caused this flair up. She then asked my mom if she wanted a covid test. Said if she was positive on the rapid test (nasal swab done in about 20-30 minutes) she would get the same drug trump got. The dr said that drug has been proven to be very effective against covid and would help her after about an hour of iv treatment.
So test was negative but they are running it through the more detailed test which will take a few days to get back. She said the rapid test is pretty accurate and she would be shocked if it came back positive
Now I am completely confused on testing and meds for covid. I thought tests were hard to come by and you had to wait hours in line? All I have heard is tests are not available at clinics. (my daughter had an ear infection and they said if she wanted a covid test they could schedule one for her and sent her to a drive up or the hospital to get it done)
When did we get rapid tests out there for non athletes? If this trump drug is so effective why in the world is it not being mass produced and saving lives all over the world.
The people who are waiting so long in line are generally for the free, community wide testing. Symptomatic testing at clinics (especially in Wisconsin) are pretty decent for the most part. Rapid testing has been around for awhile. It is been rolled out at all the UW schools for instance. But it's antigen testing that isn't 100% accurate and produces false negatives, which is why they followed up with the lab-based PCR test.
And whatever "Trump drug" you are talking about is being mass produced and given to people who are struggling with Covid. Who said otherwise?
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Now I am completely confused on testing and meds for covid. I thought tests were hard to come by and you had to wait hours in line? All I have heard is tests are not available at clinics. (my daughter had an ear infection and they said if she wanted a covid test they could schedule one for her and sent her to a drive up or the hospital to get it done)
When did we get rapid tests out there for non athletes? If this trump drug is so effective why in the world is it not being mass produced and saving lives all over the world.
First off, I wish your mom well.
Maybe for testing that doctor got an early version of the Lucira technology that was approved by the FDA yesterday?
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-first-covid-19-test-self-testing-home
Regarding drugs that trump got
Dexamethasone - A steroid that will increase your blood ox level if you're on a ventilator. Studies imply it will do more harm than good in people with milder covid cases
Remdesivir - Covid treatment approved in late August. Only available in hospitals. Only authorized for people on ventilators or with low blood ox levels.
Regeneron's monoclonal antibody - Still in clinical trials. Pretty controversial that they gave it to the president
Deaths have been a little lower nationwide as we've gotten better at treating this thing. Science still takes a while, though.
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First off, I wish your mom well.
Maybe for testing that doctor got an early version of the Lucira technology that was approved by the FDA yesterday?
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-first-covid-19-test-self-testing-home
Regarding drugs that trump got
Dexamethasone - A steroid that will increase your blood ox level if you're on a ventilator. Studies imply it will do more harm than good in people with milder covid cases
Remdesivir - Covid treatment approved in late August. Only available in hospitals. Only authorized for people on ventilators or with low blood ox levels.
Regeneron's monoclonal antibody - Still in clinical trials. Pretty controversial that they gave it to the president
Deaths have been a little lower nationwide as we've gotten better at treating this thing. Science still takes a while, though.
Thaks for the info my mom just refered to it as the trump drug, so not sure what it was.
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Thaks for the info my mom just refered to it as the trump drug, so not sure what it was.
Lol, same as talking to my relatives.
The doctor of a friend in Ohio is still prescribing prophylactic hydroxychloroquine saying that it's very effective, I'm assuming he believes that because of partisan politics. I suppose we should require recertification tests for doctors. It's hard enough being an advocate for your own health if you're super informed, much less so as you get older or havent' kept up with things.
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Thaks for the info my mom just refered to it as the trump drug, so not sure what it was.
The one hour IV suggests he was referring to Regeneron, Eli Lilly's monoclonal, or Remdesivir. Since she wasn't hospitalized, that would suggest one of the monoclonals.
Very hard to get at the moment, which makes me wonder how your mom's doctor would be able to claim she would get it.
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Update... Still symptomatic. Intermittently feverish. Pain relievers now able manage body aches. Low energy. Everything tastes like crap.
Wife got tested yesterday. Now symptomatic. Just waiting for the confirmation.
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Update... Still symptomatic. Intermittently feverish. Pain relievers now able manage body aches. Low energy. Everything tastes like crap.
Wife got tested yesterday. Now symptomatic. Just waiting for the confirmation.
Do you feel like you're on the mend yet or still getting worse/no change?
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Update... Still symptomatic. Intermittently feverish. Pain relievers now able manage body aches. Low energy. Everything tastes like crap.
Wife got tested yesterday. Now symptomatic. Just waiting for the confirmation.
Sorry to hear you are still symptomatic and that your wife is also now symptomatic.
I've heard the body aches can be terrible.
Wishing you well, and will keep your family in my prayers.
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Not getting worse. The ibuprofen/acetominophen cycling when I feel the fever kicking in certainly helps with the headache and body aches. Was able to have a window where I felt good enough for a walk, which was pleasant. But I spent an hour yesterday afternoon and another hour overnight with fever shakes waiting for the meds to kick in.
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Not getting worse. The ibuprofen/acetominophen cycling when I feel the fever kicking in certainly helps with the headache and body aches. Was able to have a window where I felt good enough for a walk, which was pleasant. But I spent an hour yesterday afternoon and another hour overnight with fever shakes waiting for the meds to kick in.
I was going to say something about months-ago knowledge that ibuprofen makes covid worse, but that's been disproven. In case someone else wasn't up to date like I wasn't:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/nsaids-ibuprofen-not-tied-severe-covid-19-death
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I look forward to a link from PA2 that he claims says the opposite but actually says the same thing.
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Glad to hear you aren't getting worse, tower. Hope you start improving noticeably very soon. And best to the missus on her illness.
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Hope you both start feeling better tower.
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Thank you. Me, too.
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Does not sound fun, my friend. Keep getting better - and that’s an order!
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Hope you both start feeling better tower.
Yes - best wishes for recovery to you and your wife
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I feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Fever free for 32 hours, energy returning. I appear to have been fortunate.
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I feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Fever free for 32 hours, energy returning. I appear to have been fortunate.
Great to hear, Tower. Keep fighting
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I feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Fever free for 32 hours, energy returning. I appear to have been fortunate.
Great news! I hope your improvement continues.
How's your wife?
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Facing a long couple of weeks. I just inherited Thanksgiving dinner.
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Facing a long couple of weeks. I just inherited Thanksgiving dinner.
Hope you're a better cook than I am.
"But honey - the bread on your turkey sandwich is kinda like stuffing...." ;)
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Frozen pizza for everyone! Ha. I can follow directions in a kitchen.
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Facing a long couple of weeks. I just inherited Thanksgiving dinner.
Hopefully neither of you have your sense of taste back by then
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Hopefully neither of you have your sense of taste back by then
LOL. Oh my. Perfect.
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Best news of the day, tower.
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Hopefully neither of you have your sense of taste back by then
Well played.
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Frozen pizza for everyone! Ha. I can follow directions in a kitchen.
I mean, if you really havent gotten back your sense of taste yet by next Thursday... :P
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I mean, if you really havent gotten back your sense of taste yet by next Thursday... :P
My boss got over covid almost a month ago. He says he sniffs a bottle of Cuervo every morning as a test, he still has no sense of smell or taste.
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My boss got over covid almost a month ago. He says he sniffs a bottle of Cuervo every morning as a test, he still has no sense of smell or taste.
That scares the daylights out of me
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That scares the daylights out of me
Which part, losing your sense of smell, or that someone actually drinks cuervo?
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The sense of taste thing is weird. I can taste and smell. However, a whole bunch of things I like currently taste like crap. And there are things I like that currently turn my stomach merely by thinking about them. It is similar to how my wife described her food aversions while pregnant. So, I say 'Thanksgiving dinner'. That is going to be a very elaborate dance through a minefield trying to land on something that both my wife and I can eat, as her taste buds are currently going through the same process.
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Which part, losing your sense of smell, or that someone actually drinks cuervo?
Both 😂
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The sense of taste thing is weird. I can taste and smell. However, a whole bunch of things I like currently taste like crap. And there are things I like that currently turn my stomach merely by thinking about them. It is similar to how my wife described her food aversions while pregnant. So, I say 'Thanksgiving dinner'. That is going to be a very elaborate dance through a minefield trying to land on something that both my wife and I can eat, as her taste buds are currently going through the same process.
I had a flu that put me off of ketchup for years. It was the weirdest thing.
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I had a flu that put me off of ketchup for years. It was the weirdest thing.
Well at least you saved yourself from being berated by Ziggie.
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Just found out my Uncle Mike (technically my mom's first cousin) is in the hospital on a ventilator with COVID. My cousin said he's fighting but who knows.
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The sense of taste thing is weird. I can taste and smell. However, a whole bunch of things I like currently taste like crap. And there are things I like that currently turn my stomach merely by thinking about them. It is similar to how my wife described her food aversions while pregnant. So, I say 'Thanksgiving dinner'. That is going to be a very elaborate dance through a minefield trying to land on something that both my wife and I can eat, as her taste buds are currently going through the same process.
So you're actually pregnant then, reading between the lines.
Shoulda gotten snipped dude. Just sayin'
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Well at least you saved yourself from being berated by Ziggie.
Me or the real ziggy?
Ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs. Period.
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So you're actually pregnant then, reading between the lines.
Shoulda gotten snipped dude. Just sayin'
Got snipped. Helluva story. Should start a vasectomy nightmare thread some time.
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Me or the real ziggy?
Ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs. Period.
The real one... he wouldnt allow you to take Ketchup for your hamburger.
Maybe i am confused and it was mustard, but that wouldnt make sense because i hate mustard on hamburgers. Since I only ate at Ziggie's in a certain state, there is a high probability for confusion.
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Got snipped. Helluva story. Should start a vasectomy nightmare thread some time.
As long as it it clearly labeled as such, for those of us who would rather not read it. ;)
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The real one... he wouldnt allow you to take Ketchup for your hamburger.
Maybe i am confused and it was mustard, but that wouldnt make sense because i hate mustard on hamburgers. Since I only ate at Ziggie's in a certain state, there is a high probability for confusion.
You like-eh the small breast, hey?
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Chick Jr. just got diagnosed this week.
I am amazed it took this long. She had been working on a Covid floor since last summer.
She thought she had a head cold, because she had a lot of congestion along with her cough. Apparently, that is not uncommon among younger Covid victims.
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Good luck, mom. And to your daughter.
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My bride has tested positive. Symptomatic since Monday, tested Tuesday, results a little while ago. Looks like I am going to keep working on my Santa beard
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chick and tower, prayers for both your families.
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My bride has tested positive. Symptomatic since Monday, tested Tuesday, results a little while ago. Looks like I am going to keep working on my Santa beard
Sorry to hear. Hope that you continue your upward trajectory, and that your wife’s symptoms are mild.
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The real one... he wouldnt allow you to take Ketchup for your hamburger.
Maybe i am confused and it was mustard, but that wouldnt make sense because i hate mustard on hamburgers. Since I only ate at Ziggie's in a certain state, there is a high probability for confusion.
There was a Ziggie’s in another state besides Wisconsin?😃
Mustard was definitely allowed.
Chick, prayers for your daughter. Hope she bounces back quickly.
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Grandfather passed away with COVID last night. He was 101, lived a good life.
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God's blessings to you and your family.
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101 is quite an accomplishment. Sorry for your loss.
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Bit of a nuanced question. So my GF had COVID back in June as some may remember. She recovered fine, no longer term symptoms. Largely back to normal. So she was looking to potentially go see her sister for around a week. The stipulation was that she get a test to show long term antibodies.
So she goes to get the test today, shows she has long term antibodies...but also was shown to have COVID in her system as well. The technician didn’t seem super sure, but she said this doesn’t mean she is infectious. Anyone have a similar experience or some explanation? She’s just unsure as to what precautions if any she should be taking
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Bit of a nuanced question. So my GF had COVID back in June as some may remember. She recovered fine, no longer term symptoms. Largely back to normal. So she was looking to potentially go see her sister for around a week. The stipulation was that she get a test to show long term antibodies.
So she goes to get the test today, shows she has long term antibodies...but also was shown to have COVID in her system as well. The technician didn’t seem super sure, but she said this doesn’t mean she is infectious. Anyone have a similar experience or some explanation? She’s just unsure as to what precautions if any she should be taking
If they know she still has COVID in her system, I'm guessing that means she got both an antibody and an antigen test.
Anyhow, I think there are two possibilities: (1) the antigen test was a false positive (fairly common); or (2) she has been reinfected (which happens, but so far the CDC thinks this is uncommon).
My suggestion would be for her to get another antigen test (ideally a different one), to rule out a false positive. If it comes back negative (and if she hasn't had recent symptoms or known exposure to a COVID-positive person), it's probably safe to assume the first antigen test was wrong. If it comes back positive, it would be prudent to treat it as a reinfection and follow the same protocols as a newly-infected person.
More than anything else, I'd run these ideas by her doctor since I have no actual experience treating COVID patients.
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If they know she still has COVID in her system, I'm guessing that means she got both an antibody and an antigen test.
Anyhow, I think there are two possibilities: (1) the antigen test was a false positive (fairly common); or (2) she has been reinfected (which happens, but so far the CDC thinks this is uncommon).
My suggestion would be for her to get another antigen test (ideally a different one), to rule out a false positive. If it comes back negative (and if she hasn't had recent symptoms or known exposure to a COVID-positive person), it's probably safe to assume the first antigen test was wrong. If it comes back positive, it would be prudent to treat it as a reinfection and follow the same protocols as a newly-infected person.
More than anything else, I'd run these ideas by her doctor since I have no actual experience treating COVID patients.
Or just tell the sis, see ya in June
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Or just tell the sis, see ya in June
A totally viable (and more straightforward) solution as well....
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Or just tell the sis, see ya in June
Wow, very helpful and useful. Thanks for your keen insight.
If they know she still has COVID in her system, I'm guessing that means she got both an antibody and an antigen test.
Anyhow, I think there are two possibilities: (1) the antigen test was a false positive (fairly common); or (2) she has been reinfected (which happens, but so far the CDC thinks this is uncommon).
My suggestion would be for her to get another antigen test (ideally a different one), to rule out a false positive. If it comes back negative (and if she hasn't had recent symptoms or known exposure to a COVID-positive person), it's probably safe to assume the first antigen test was wrong. If it comes back positive, it would be prudent to treat it as a reinfection and follow the same protocols as a newly-infected person.
More than anything else, I'd run these ideas by her doctor since I have no actual experience treating COVID patients.
Thanks. She plans to speak with her doctor in the morning. Funny enough, her sister’s father in law had a similar situation. As I mentioned the tech had no clue and couldn’t speak to a false positive or the like, so she’ll likely test again. She’s been super careful with masking and has no symptoms and we haven’t been around someone with known COVID for a long time
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Bit of a nuanced question. So my GF had COVID back in June as some may remember. She recovered fine, no longer term symptoms. Largely back to normal. So she was looking to potentially go see her sister for around a week. The stipulation was that she get a test to show long term antibodies.
So she goes to get the test today, shows she has long term antibodies...but also was shown to have COVID in her system as well. The technician didn’t seem super sure, but she said this doesn’t mean she is infectious. Anyone have a similar experience or some explanation? She’s just unsure as to what precautions if any she should be taking
Has she quarantined for two weeks? If so, testing isn’t going to be needed. Has her sister? Then looks like both have minimized risks.
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Update... Other than night sweats, I am feeling in the vicinity of normal.
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Yay tower.
MUDPT, sorry about your grandfather.
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Update... Other than night sweats, I am feeling in the vicinity of normal.
Good to hear. Night sweats suck, though; I have been suffering from those for at least half a decade.
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Now I am depressed.
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Lol warriorchick 😀
I can relate.
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Good to hear. Night sweats suck, though; I have been suffering from those for at least half a decade.
Well played.
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Now I am depressed.
You're depressed? My doctor told me that she has a patient in her 70s that still gets them.
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Bit of a nuanced question. So my GF had COVID back in June as some may remember. She recovered fine, no longer term symptoms. Largely back to normal. So she was looking to potentially go see her sister for around a week. The stipulation was that she get a test to show long term antibodies.
So she goes to get the test today, shows she has long term antibodies...but also was shown to have COVID in her system as well. The technician didn’t seem super sure, but she said this doesn’t mean she is infectious. Anyone have a similar experience or some explanation? She’s just unsure as to what precautions if any she should be taking
Had patients test positive for months after their first positive with a PCR. Most of the time, it’s picking up RNA that’s dead and useless, not infectious.
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Night sweats? This is what you need:
https://www.bedfan.com
.. I've had one for 5+ years. The downside is if you leave it on all night, you wake up cold.
And your farts blow into your face, that's no good too.
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MU friend of mine who found out 2 days ago he has COVID sent an email to me and a couple others in our group of buds ...
It's interesting (and a little scary) to experience how this virus progresses throughout the body. I know it can be different for others however for myself -
Last night the headache finally dissipated (thank God) That was the worse. (imagine a migraine on steroids for 2 days straight) so so so painful. Still having temp swings - my body moves from teeth chattering chills to overheating swings hourly. Diarrhea started this AM, along with some painful cramping of joints. Coughing has kicked in but not severe as of yet.
Shortness of breath (which is scary) is definitely present accompanied by an overall sense of fatigue and fogginess (like walking around with a fish bowl on your head). Took 20 minutes to walk the 200 feet up to the mailbox.
No taste or smell - which is actually ok with me cause if food supplies run low I could probably tolerate the Broccoli in the freezer as a last resort (cant stand Broccoli ).
Heading back to bed , Be safe , take care of each other, it can get rough out there.
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MU friend of mine who found out 2 days ago he has COVID sent an email to me and a couple others in our group of buds ...
It's interesting (and a little scary) to experience how this virus progresses throughout the body. I know it can be different for others however for myself -
Last night the headache finally dissipated (thank God) That was the worse. (imagine a migraine on steroids for 2 days straight) so so so painful. Still having temp swings - my body moves from teeth chattering chills to overheating swings hourly. Diarrhea started this AM, along with some painful cramping of joints. Coughing has kicked in but not severe as of yet.
Shortness of breath (which is scary) is definitely present accompanied by an overall sense of fatigue and fogginess (like walking around with a fish bowl on your head). Took 20 minutes to walk the 200 feet up to the mailbox.
No taste or smell - which is actually ok with me cause if food supplies run low I could probably tolerate the Broccoli in the freezer as a last resort (cant stand Broccoli ).
Heading back to bed , Be safe , take care of each other, it can get rough out there.
The virus really is kind of crazy. I was talking to one of my students who just recovered from it today. 19 years old, super fit.
Went to bed on a Thursday night after working out for 2-hours. Felt great no symptoms. He woke up the next morning feeling crappy. By lunch, he had a high fever and body aches. Tried to drive himself to get tested, but had to pull over and call his roommate to get him (roommate had COVID about a month ago). He couldn't drive because he was so dizzy...obviously COVID positive (test confirmed).
Spent the next 48-hours in what he described as the most agonizing body pain, and high fever. Said the pain was so bad he thought about going to the ER several times. Dizziness so bad that walking to the bathroom was hard.
Symptoms started to resolve after 72 hours and was back to mostly normal within a week.
His story highlighted two things to me. 1) Why it spreads so easily, he went from symptom free and feeling good/strong enough to do a 2+ hour workout with no issues, to as he described it "sicker than he's ever been" 12ish hours later. 2) It does not discriminate on age. He's 19, no risk factors and it leveled him. 2-weeks out now and he says his energy levels are maybe 50% of normal.
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Update... Other than night sweats, I am feeling in the vicinity of normal.
Congrats, good to hear.
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Following up on my earlier post, my GF spoke with her doctor. You can obviously shed the COVID virus for far longer than the virus is contagious or affecting you. Many of these antibody/antigen tests pick that up. So it’s not necessarily a false positive, but it’s picking up dead/dying virus on its way out. If symptoms arose, then proceed with caution, but otherwise she was assured she was fine, great that she had strong antibodies, and to carry on
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Just found out my Uncle Mike (technically my mom's first cousin) is in the hospital on a ventilator with COVID. My cousin said he's fighting but who knows.
Just got word my uncle passed away this morning from COVID.
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Blessings and prayers to your family.
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So sorry MUfan.
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Sorry for your loss
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Just got word my uncle passed away this morning from COVID.
Very sorry to hear.
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Following up on my earlier post, my GF spoke with her doctor. You can obviously shed the COVID virus for far longer than the virus is contagious or affecting you. Many of these antibody/antigen tests pick that up. So it’s not necessarily a false positive, but it’s picking up dead/dying virus on its way out. If symptoms arose, then proceed with caution, but otherwise she was assured she was fine, great that she had strong antibodies, and to carry on
Good to hear. Hope she is able to have a safe and happy visit with her sister.
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Sorry for your loss CT...
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Just got word my uncle passed away this morning from COVID.
Sad to hear that, MUFIC. My condolences.
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I would love to know from all the people catching Covid and/or having severe symptoms .. what their Vitamin D levels are, and whether they were taking supplemental D.
There's an avalanche of studies on the benefits of Vitamin D and COVID, and I keep wondering how much that gets through to everyone.
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I would love to know from all the people catching Covid and/or having severe symptoms .. what their Vitamin D levels are, and whether they were taking supplemental D.
There's an avalanche of studies on the benefits of Vitamin D and COVID, and I keep wondering how much that gets through to everyone.
Through supplements alone (not counting diet) I'm taking 4400 IU of D3.
What about others?
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Through supplements alone (not counting diet) I'm taking 4400 IU of D3.
What about others?
3000 IU
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Through supplements alone (not counting diet) I'm taking 4400 IU of D3.
What about others?
I shake a few drops of D3 into each of my alcoholic beverages. Considering the dramatic increase in my consumption since COVID hit I'm worried I might be ODing on the D3.
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Through supplements alone (not counting diet) I'm taking 4400 IU of D3.
What about others?
3200 IU.
Pre-Covid I was taking 1200 IU through a daily multivitamin. Recently I added a 2000 IU D3 supplement.
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3200 IU.
Pre-Covid I was taking 1200 IU through a daily multivitamin. Recently I added a 2000 IU D3 supplement.
My multi only has 200 IU.
I was taking 1 additional D3 tablet at 2000IU. Since summer, I've doubled that.
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We are doing 125 mcg which is apparently equal to 5,000 IU. Have been for about three months now since I learned Vit D levels were important for covid.
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I have been taking vitamin D by prescription for awhile due to osteoporosis, for years I have tested very low. I just looked at my calcium, multi-vitamin, and my supplement. In summer it’s 3800, in winter my doctor tells me to double the supplement, so it’s 5800.
Thankfully, this past January I tested at normal level, for the first time in years.....
I made a point of walking outside everyday since spring, so that may have been a benefit as well.
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I have been taking vitamin D by prescription for awhile due to osteoporosis, for years I have tested very low. I just looked at my calcium, multi-vitamin, and my supplement. In summer it’s 3800, in winter my doctor tells me to double the supplement, so it’s 5800.
Thankfully, this past January I tested at normal level, for the first time in years.....
I made a point of walking outside everyday since spring, so that may have been a benefit as well.
Where do you live? Because it seems that at this time of year if you are north of, well, :
(https://hhp-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/legacy/1012.jpg)
Except during the summer months, the skin makes little if any vitamin D from the sun at latitudes above 37 degrees north (in the United States, the shaded region in the map) or below 37 degrees south of the equator. People who live in these areas are at relatively greater risk for vitamin D deficiency.
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Chicago. I know it is only a benefit in the summer and maybe early fall months, but I’ll take what I can get.
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I get Vitamin D in my multivitamin and my calcium supplement. I have also been getting plenty of sun (especially here in Las Vegas).
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According to this commentary in the New England Journal of Medicine, typical caucasians actually do synthesize a good amount of Vitamin D3 in northern climates during the summertime. The dramatic difference only occurs in winter.
https://www.jwatch.org/jd201006040000002/2010/06/04/how-much-sunlight-equivalent-vitamin-d
At noon in Miami, someone with Fitzpatrick skin type III [caucasian skin that is susceptible to both tanning and burning] would require 6 minutes to synthesize 1000 IU of vitamin D in the summer.... At noon in the summer in Boston, necessary exposure times approximate those in Miami....
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According to this commentary in the New England Journal of Medicine, typical caucasians actually do synthesize a good amount of Vitamin D3 in northern climates during the summertime. The dramatic difference only occurs in winter.
https://www.jwatch.org/jd201006040000002/2010/06/04/how-much-sunlight-equivalent-vitamin-d
At noon in Miami, someone with Fitzpatrick skin type III [caucasian skin that is susceptible to both tanning and burning] would require 6 minutes to synthesize 1000 IU of vitamin D in the summer.... At noon in the summer in Boston, necessary exposure times approximate those in Miami....
On the other hand, I have heard that there are parents that are so obsessed with slathering their kids with sunscreen that cases of rickets have spiked.
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On the other hand, I have heard that there are parents that are so obsessed with slathering their kids with sunscreen that cases of rickets have spiked.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Still, if it only takes 6 minutes to get 1000 IU without sunscreen, you could still probably get a few hundred IU if you're out for an hour or two with sunscreen.
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Wouldn't surprise me.
Still, if it only takes 6 minutes to get 1000 IU without sunscreen, you could still probably get a few hundred IU if you're out for an hour or two with sunscreen.
How many kids are out in the sun an hour or two a day, especially if they are in school or daycare?
As an aside, I remember hearing somewhere that the reason most blonde, fair-skinned people can trace their roots to Northern Europe is that it was an evolutionary trait that developed so that people could absorb more Vitamin D in less-sunny climes.
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Through supplements alone (not counting diet) I'm taking 4400 IU of D3.
What about others?
4401.
Price is right, bob.
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How many kids are out in the sun an hour or two a day, especially if they are in school or daycare?
As an aside, I remember hearing somewhere that they reason most blonde, fair-skinned people can trace their roots to Northern Europe is that it was an evolutionary trait that developed so that people could absorb more Vitamin D in less-sunny climes.
You are right that fewer people get outside than they used to, and that’s a huge shame.
However, I was specifically talking about exposure during the summer, so school would not be an issue for most kids. And with organized sports like soccer, t-ball/baseball, plus walks, bike rides, going to ballgames with parents and the like, I suspect a decent percentage get an hour or two a few times a week.
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How many kids are out in the sun an hour or two a day, especially if they are in school or daycare?
As an aside, I remember hearing somewhere that they reason most blonde, fair-skinned people can trace their roots to Northern Europe is that it was an evolutionary trait that developed so that people could absorb more Vitamin D in less-sunny climes.
This is also related to the data showing poorer outcomes with people with low vitamin D. Those with low vitamin D are more likely to not be getting exercise (e.g. outdoors) and other healthy activities. So they are generally of poorer health overall.
Still, taking a little extra vitamin D is worth it right now.
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I have been taking vitamin D by prescription for awhile due to osteoporosis, for years I have tested very low. I just looked at my calcium, multi-vitamin, and my supplement. In summer it’s 3800, in winter my doctor tells me to double the supplement, so it’s 5800.
Thankfully, this past January I tested at normal level, for the first time in years.....
I made a point of walking outside everyday since spring, so that may have been a benefit as well.
I'm not your doctor...
But if you actually have osteoporosis (and not osteopenia) you should probably be on more than just Ca+/Vit D
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I am actually.
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I am actually.
Good to hear.
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Please stay home this Thanksgiving. Don't spread this.
I don't post here often but could use some prayers - both for the family mentioned below and for my own growing bitterness at those who don't care about their behavior's impact on others.
CLUSTER 1
June timeframe
Cousin (30s) & his wife - sick for a week
Cousin-in-law (50s) - 3 days in the hospital. Still not back to 100%.; June timeframe
CLUSTER 2
Early November
Cousin 2 - hospital admission; better now; 2 weeks ill
Cousn's husband and kid had it to too but mild cases
CLUSTER 3
Mid-November
Sister - 30s. spent 4 days in bed. Better now. Husband and 2 kids spared. No idea how she got it. Got tested and isolated at first symptom which may have spared family and others at work.
CLUSTER 4
Great Aunt - 90. In hospital. was looking improved early this week but took a turn. Asked her family today to "take me home and let me die".
CLUSTER 5
Aunt (early 60s) - ER yesterday. Home now, but not feeling better. Really struggling. May go back to ER tomorrow. Comorbidities.
Uncle (early 60s) - digestive challenges (oddly that's worse than his breathing). Dehydrated and out of breath.
Cousin (30s). In hosipital. Don't have latest but were talking ventilator and plasma treatments earlier today.
Mask and distancing "varied" among this group. None were engaged in knowingly risky things like bars or weddings. All in WI. None of the 5 "clusters" can point to the source.
Don't spread this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRag3cdVGuY
3:40: "because I love you and so you can't come to Thanksgiving"
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Please stay home this Thanksgiving. Don't spread this.
I don't post here often but could use some prayers - both for the family mentioned below and for my own growing bitterness at those who don't care about their behavior's impact on others.
I'm with you lost. Frustrated that so many (even some I think are responsible) don't seem to be taking this seriously. I truly hope all those in your family recover without serious issues.
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Thanksgiving for 3 this year. Hopefully, my wife and I can taste it. She lost her taste for coffee yesterday. It is all fun and games until you can't smell or taste coffee.
I am really glad I had my annual physical and passed my PFT test in flying colors in October. Hopefully, I will be able to pass it again next fall. I don't think I could at the moment. Feeling ok otherwise.
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lost: I am very sorry to hear about your family's many infections. I hope all can recover with a minimum of suffering.
tower: One off the things I am thankful for this Thanksgiving is your continued recovery. I sincerely hope it continues so you can pass your PFTs with flying colors once again, and that your wife's illness abates quickly.
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I would love to know from all the people catching Covid and/or having severe symptoms .. what their Vitamin D levels are, and whether they were taking supplemental D.
There's an avalanche of studies on the benefits of Vitamin D and COVID, and I keep wondering how much that gets through to everyone.
Not to derail the thread, but the Vitamin D/Covid studies are almost universally observational, as are most Vitamin D studies. It is definitely the case that low vitamin D levels correlate with a lot of bad outcomes (outside of Covid). Unfortunately Vitamin D supplementation has a pretty poor track record when it comes to prospective randomized trials. I've seen one small RCT related to Covid with positive results, but it had some problems. Hopefully larger and better trials are forthcoming, but given the track record of Vitamin D on other outcomes in well-done studies I'm not holding my breath for a breakthrough.
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Not to derail the thread, but the Vitamin D/Covid studies are almost universally observational, as are most Vitamin D studies. It is definitely the case that low vitamin D levels correlate with a lot of bad outcomes (outside of Covid). Unfortunately Vitamin D supplementation has a pretty poor track record when it comes to prospective randomized trials. I've seen one small RCT related to Covid with positive results, but it had some problems. Hopefully larger and better trials are forthcoming, but given the track record of Vitamin D on other outcomes in well-done studies I'm not holding my breath for a breakthrough.
Agree that megadoses to give us 'high Vitamin D levels' may not help...but various studies have shown that significant portions of the population are Vitamin D deficient. The study below found deficiency rates approaching 40% in the US. As such, supplementation - especially during the winter - may go a long way to mitigating risk of severe COVID illness.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6075634/
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Agree that megadoses to give us 'high Vitamin D levels' may not help...but various studies have shown that significant portions of the population are Vitamin D deficient. The study below found deficiency rates approaching 40% in the US. As such, supplementation - especially during the winter - may go a long way to mitigating risk of severe COVID illness.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6075634/
This kind of points out how the "deficient" terminology is misleading -- there's a few conditions that have well-understood causal links from very low Vitamin D levels and supplementation is required (and proven to work). But there are a whole host of other things that are strongly associated with lower Vitamin D levels (i.e. in the "deficient" range), like depression, MS, IBD, etc., and people have been trying for years to show that Vitamin D supplements can be used as treatment, but RCTs of Vitamin D supplementation have mostly failed. So my prior is that it will not go a long way (or any way) for Covid, but I'd like to see a good RCT!
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Please stay home this Thanksgiving. Don't spread this.
I don't post here often but could use some prayers - both for the family mentioned below and for my own growing bitterness at those who don't care about their behavior's impact on others.
I understand the bitterness you feel. Many of us feel the same way.
Stay safe, brother. Prayers for you and your family.
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Please stay home this Thanksgiving. Don't spread this.
I don't post here often but could use some prayers - both for the family mentioned below and for my own growing bitterness at those who don't care about their behavior's impact on others.
CLUSTER 1
June timeframe
Cousin (30s) & his wife - sick for a week
Cousin-in-law (50s) - 3 days in the hospital. Still not back to 100%.; June timeframe
CLUSTER 2
Early November
Cousin 2 - hospital admission; better now; 2 weeks ill
Cousn's husband and kid had it to too but mild cases
CLUSTER 3
Mid-November
Sister - 30s. spent 4 days in bed. Better now. Husband and 2 kids spared. No idea how she got it. Got tested and isolated at first symptom which may have spared family and others at work.
CLUSTER 4
Great Aunt - 90. In hospital. was looking improved early this week but took a turn. Asked her family today to "take me home and let me die".
CLUSTER 5
Aunt (early 60s) - ER yesterday. Home now, but not feeling better. Really struggling. May go back to ER tomorrow. Comorbidities.
Uncle (early 60s) - digestive challenges (oddly that's worse than his breathing). Dehydrated and out of breath.
Cousin (30s). In hosipital. Don't have latest but were talking ventilator and plasma treatments earlier today.
Mask and distancing "varied" among this group. None were engaged in knowingly risky things like bars or weddings. All in WI. None of the 5 "clusters" can point to the source.
Don't spread this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRag3cdVGuY
3:40: "because I love you and so you can't come to Thanksgiving"
Stay safe. May this be the end of the spread for your family.
Thanks all for the well wishes.
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This kind of points out how the "deficient" terminology is misleading -- there's a few conditions that have well-understood causal links from very low Vitamin D levels and supplementation is required (and proven to work). But there are a whole host of other things that are strongly associated with lower Vitamin D levels (i.e. in the "deficient" range), like depression, MS, IBD, etc., and people have been trying for years to show that Vitamin D supplements can be used as treatment, but RCTs of Vitamin D supplementation have mostly failed. So my prior is that it will not go a long way (or any way) for Covid, but I'd like to see a good RCT!
The difference between this and the cases you mentioned (MS, depression, IBD) is that most people are not talking about Vitamin D as a 'treatment' for an active Covid infection; we are simply talking about getting any low levels back up to normal so that our immune systems will be as strong as possible if/when we are exposed to the virus.
That is VERY different from assuming a Vitamin D shot can 'cure' an active infection.
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77 Year old father is symptomatic. Because he is old and stubborn, he will just assume he has it and is refusing to get tested. Yes, I have made every argument I can. But, you know, convincing an older parent.......
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77 Year old father is symptomatic. Because he is old and stubborn, he will just assume he has it and is refusing to get tested. Yes, I have made every argument I can. But, you know, convincing an older parent.......
Sorry he won't get tested - hope his recovery goes well.
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77 Year old father is symptomatic. Because he is old and stubborn, he will just assume he has it and is refusing to get tested. Yes, I have made every argument I can. But, you know, convincing an older parent.......
So sorry tower. I hope he gets better.
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I have known lots and lots of people who have had COVID-19 (as have we all), quite a few who have been sick enough to spend time in a hospital, and even two who have died.
But for the first time, a member of our family has died: My wife's cousin, with whom she was close when they were children, died of it a couple of days ago. He, his wife and kids -- good people, live in suburban Chicago. Always very nice to us.
He was 64, with no serious maladies, when he caught COVID-19.
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I have known lots and lots of people who have had COVID-19 (as have we all), quite a few who have been sick enough to spend time in a hospital, and even two who have died.
But for the first time, a member of our family has died: My wife's cousin, with whom she was close when they were children, died of it a couple of days ago. He, his wife and kids -- good people, live in suburban Chicago. Always very nice to us.
He was 64, with no serious maladies, when he caught COVID-19.
Very sorry to hear.
This thing sucks...
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My sympathies to your wife and her family.
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I have known lots and lots of people who have had COVID-19 (as have we all), quite a few who have been sick enough to spend time in a hospital, and even two who have died.
But for the first time, a member of our family has died: My wife's cousin, with whom she was close when they were children, died of it a couple of days ago. He, his wife and kids -- good people, live in suburban Chicago. Always very nice to us.
He was 64, with no serious maladies, when he caught COVID-19.
So sorry to hear about the loss of your wife's cousin - my sympathies to your family.
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My sympathies.
My "uncle's" funeral is today and my wife and mom won't let me go. My mom is not attending either.
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So sorry to hear this.
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Thanks to all for your kind statements. And same to you, MUFIC.
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I have known lots and lots of people who have had COVID-19 (as have we all), quite a few who have been sick enough to spend time in a hospital, and even two who have died.
But for the first time, a member of our family has died: My wife's cousin, with whom she was close when they were children, died of it a couple of days ago. He, his wife and kids -- good people, live in suburban Chicago. Always very nice to us.
He was 64, with no serious maladies, when he caught COVID-19.
Sorry to hear. Best wishes
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It looks like my father is going to get through his COVID. Feeling better and restless. I returned to work yesterday and spent a fair amount of time comparing notes with other COVID survivors. Symptoms, severity, duration. Consensus was if you have survived, you owe it to the rest of your crew to leave them outside whenever there is a possible COVID call. A lot of them were tossing around the phrase 'Tiger blood.'
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Sophomore son just made varsity hoops only to be contact traced by sitting across from a girl that continued to go to school with symptoms. He sat across from her at lunch in whish they have plexiglass between everyone. What is the point od the plexiglass?
This sucks we do everything we can to avoid it. Irresponsible people just really piss me off
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Sophomore son just made varsity hoops only to be contact traced by sitting across from a girl that continued to go to school with symptoms. He sat across from her at lunch in whish they have plexiglass between everyone. What is the point od the plexiglass?
This sucks we do everything we can to avoid it. Irresponsible people just really piss me off
That sucks - hope he tests negative.
Plexiglass can help, but it depends on the air circulation. If air currents carry the virus around or over the plexiglass, it’s probably no better than having nothing at all.
And yeah - people who don’t follow simple public health rules really suck.
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Sophomore son just made varsity hoops only to be contact traced by sitting across from a girl that continued to go to school with symptoms. He sat across from her at lunch in whish they have plexiglass between everyone. What is the point od the plexiglass?
This sucks we do everything we can to avoid it. Irresponsible people just really piss me off
It's hard to protect yourself and your family when people all around you just don't care. I hope your son will be fine.
But, yeah. I am at the point where I am pissed off by these people as well.
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Sophomore son just made varsity hoops only to be contact traced by sitting across from a girl that continued to go to school with symptoms. He sat across from her at lunch in whish they have plexiglass between everyone. What is the point od the plexiglass?
This sucks we do everything we can to avoid it. Irresponsible people just really piss me off
Sorry - that situation sucks :(.
There have been parents in our District who sent their kid to school knowing the kid was Covid positive - that stuff really angers me.
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Sorry - that situation sucks :(.
There have been parents in our District who sent their kid to school knowing the kid was Covid positive - that stuff really angers me.
That's beyond the pale. I'm pissed off enough at the people that go everywhere maskless, claiming "medical exception". Seems they are also the ones always ignoring social distancing and coughing/sneezing up a storm.
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That's beyond the pale. I'm pissed off enough at the people that go everywhere maskless, claiming "medical exception". Seems they are also the ones always ignoring social distancing and coughing/sneezing up a storm.
They are, in many cases, the same people who spout off that if you are compromised, stay home and let the rest of us go about our business. If you cannot wear a mask.... Stay home.
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It's hard to protect yourself and your family when people all around you just don't care. I hope your son will be fine.
But, yeah. I am at the point where I am pissed off by these people as well.
I will take my son missing 2 weeks of basketball over what a friend just sent me. His dad has been battling covid and was just put on life support.
When will will people realize covid does not care who you are it will impact you. Just a little common sense would go a long way. Amazing how stupid people can be
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My parents neighbor passed away last week from Covid. She got sick when her daughter came to visit. Her daughter had symptoms but visited nonetheless. My parents had lunch with their neighbor and had to quarantine and haven’t tested positive. That was about 3-4 weeks ago now, I believe.
I post this because I can’t imagine what I’d think knowing I gave my parents Covid which ultimately lead to their death. Vigilance must remain.
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My parents neighbor passed away last week from Covid. She got sick when her daughter came to visit. Her daughter had symptoms but visited nonetheless. My parents had lunch with their neighbor and had to quarantine and haven’t tested positive. That was about 3-4 weeks ago now, I believe.
I post this because I can’t imagine what I’d think knowing I gave my parents Covid which ultimately lead to their death. Vigilance must remain.
My wife's best friend's father died from Covid. He most likely contracted the disease through one of his children. The friend is a Marquette educated nurse who kept telling her siblings to take more precautions when visiting their dad, who lived home alone.
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Brother in law and his entire immediate family (except his sister... so far) are positive.
They haven't take this seriously at all. I'll let you guys guess their BMI, education level, and political affiliation. I don't want them to die or suffer any long term effects, but everything else is on the table, honestly. They're good people, but the live in their own bubble of stupidity.
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Brother in law and his entire immediate family (except his sister... so far) are positive.
They haven't take this seriously at all. I'll let you guys guess their BMI, education level, and political affiliation. I don't want them to die or suffer any long term effects, but everything else is on the table, honestly. They're good people, but the live in their own bubble of stupidity.
Goodness Hards_!!! They’re good people BUT I still wish short term misery on them as long as they survive it. That’s the holiday spirit.
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Goodness Hards_!!! They’re good people BUT I still wish short term misery on them as long as they survive it. That’s the holiday spirit.
Sorry, I'm all out of sh!ts to give about people who are willingly reckless with their and other's health.
I never understood 'holiday spirit'. Does that exempt people from being crappy year round as long as they're good to others from the end of November through January?
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Sorry, I'm all out of sh!ts to give about people who are willingly reckless with their and other's health.
Yup, from your description is seems likely they've put many others at risk.
It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful.
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Sorry, I'm all out of sh!ts to give about people who are willingly reckless with their and other's health.
I never understood 'holiday spirit'. Does that exempt people from being crappy year round as long as they're good to others from the end of November through January?
Don't apologize, even sarcastically.
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Sorry, I'm all out of sh!ts to give about people who are willingly reckless with their and other's health.
I never understood 'holiday spirit'. Does that exempt people from being crappy year round as long as they're good to others from the end of November through January?
That last part seems to describe today’s version of Christianity.
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Yup, from your description is seems likely they've put many others at risk.
It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful.
Chico defends the right to kill.
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Please stay home this Thanksgiving. Don't spread this.
I don't post here often but could use some prayers - both for the family mentioned below and for my own growing bitterness at those who don't care about their behavior's impact on others.
CLUSTER 1
June timeframe
Cousin (30s) & his wife - sick for a week
Cousin-in-law (50s) - 3 days in the hospital. Still not back to 100%.; June timeframe
CLUSTER 2
Early November
Cousin 2 - hospital admission; better now; 2 weeks ill
Cousn's husband and kid had it to too but mild cases
CLUSTER 3
Mid-November
Sister - 30s. spent 4 days in bed. Better now. Husband and 2 kids spared. No idea how she got it. Got tested and isolated at first symptom which may have spared family and others at work.
CLUSTER 4
Great Aunt - 90. In hospital. was looking improved early this week but took a turn. Asked her family today to "take me home and let me die".
CLUSTER 5
Aunt (early 60s) - ER yesterday. Home now, but not feeling better. Really struggling. May go back to ER tomorrow. Comorbidities.
Uncle (early 60s) - digestive challenges (oddly that's worse than his breathing). Dehydrated and out of breath.
Cousin (30s). In hosipital. Don't have latest but were talking ventilator and plasma treatments earlier today.
Mask and distancing "varied" among this group. None were engaged in knowingly risky things like bars or weddings. All in WI. None of the 5 "clusters" can point to the source.
Don't spread this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRag3cdVGuY
3:40: "because I love you and so you can't come to Thanksgiving"
I appreciated the kind words & thoughts a few weeks ago and felt I should share an update. Overall positive news. No deaths and everyone is back at home. It's going to take a while for a few to get back to 100% but blessed considering the alternatives. One family member in her 30s having to use oxygen at home after a 2 week hospital stay.
Thanks again.
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I appreciated the kind words & thoughts a few weeks ago and felt I should share an update. Overall positive news. No deaths and everyone is back at home. It's going to take a while for a few to get back to 100% but blessed considering the alternatives. One family member in her 30s having to use oxygen at home after a 2 week hospital stay.
Thanks again.
Very happy to hear that everyone is back home. Best wishes for continued recoveries.
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My son turned 14 yesterday. My father is over his bout with COVID and was able to join us for an almost normal celebration.
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my Trumper mom, who told me "I'm so over masks" was exposed by her stylist and is waiting on her test results. My dad is high risk with heart issues so that's a double whammy. My sister's FIL is 80 and tested positive. They went to their condo in Florida despite the kids begging them not to, and what do you know, a positive test.
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my Trumper mom, who told me "I'm so over masks" was exposed by her stylist and is waiting on her test results. My dad is high risk with heart issues so that's a double whammy. My sister's FIL is 80 and tested positive. They went to their condo in Florida despite the kids begging them not to, and what do you know, a positive test.
Hope your parents don’t test positive... and take the scare as encouragement to wear masks and get vaccinated.
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Hope your parents don’t test positive... and take the scare as encouragement to wear masks and get vaccinated.
Thanks! Both signed up for the vaccine test groups months ago so they'll definitely go through with vaccination.
The frustrating part for my sister and me is that both are retired medical professionals (doctor and nurse) and my mom has let her blind loyalty to Trump impact her views on masks.
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Thanks! Both signed up for the vaccine test groups months ago so they'll definitely go through with vaccination.
The frustrating part for my sister and me is that both are retired medical professionals (doctor and nurse) and my mom has let her blind loyalty to Trump impact her views on masks.
There are groups out there that do cult interventions.
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There are groups out there that do cult interventions.
well, my sister said this morning they've moved away from Fox News. Unfortunately, it's to Newsmax. >:(
But, it was a major wake-up call for my mom, according to my sister (she lives less than 10 minutes away from them), so that's a good thing. Waiting on testing results.
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At least it’s not OAN. Newsmax has apparently acknowledged that Biden won.
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well, my sister said this morning they've moved away from Fox News. Unfortunately, it's to Newsmax. >:(
But, it was a major wake-up call for my mom, according to my sister (she lives less than 10 minutes away from them), so that's a good thing. Waiting on testing results.
Parental block their TV channels ;D
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well, my sister said this morning they've moved away from Fox News. Unfortunately, it's to Newsmax. >:(
But, it was a major wake-up call for my mom, according to my sister (she lives less than 10 minutes away from them), so that's a good thing. Waiting on testing results.
You have my sympathies. I have a similar.sister. Religion and trump.
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My cousin's father-in-law died today of COVID after 5 days in the hospital.
Interesting family, emigrated from Iraq 50+ years ago, a Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic.)
We had dinner with them every Dec 26th for the past decade. In normal times, we would have seen him next Saturday.
.. he'd talk your ear off about life in Iraq, Iran, the Shah. Their old family land. He was Jesuit educated .. admittedly, I could only understand 80% of his words, but now I'm mad I can't remember which school. (Edit: Baghdad College, Jesuit)
He was an American immigrant success story, raising three great kids and starting a small, successful business.
He's the first person our family has lost due to Covid. :(
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My cousin's father-in-law died today of COVID after 5 days in the hospital.
Interesting family, emigrated from Iraq 50+ years ago, a Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic.)
We had dinner with them every Dec 26th for the past decade. In normal times, we would have seen him next Saturday.
.. he'd talk your ear off about life in Iraq, Iran, the Shah. Their old family land. He was Jesuit educated .. admittedly, I could only understand 80% of his words, but now I'm mad I can't remember which school.
He was an American immigrant success story, raising three great kids and starting a small, successful business.
He's the first person our family has lost due to Covid. :(
Very sorry, topper.
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My sympathies to your family.
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My cousin's father-in-law died today of COVID after 5 days in the hospital.
Interesting family, emigrated from Iraq 50+ years ago, a Chaldean (Iraqi Catholic.)
We had dinner with them every Dec 26th for the past decade. In normal times, we would have seen him next Saturday.
.. he'd talk your ear off about life in Iraq, Iran, the Shah. Their old family land. He was Jesuit educated .. admittedly, I could only understand 80% of his words, but now I'm mad I can't remember which school.
He was an American immigrant success story, raising three great kids and starting a small, successful business.
He's the first person our family has lost due to Covid. :(
Sorry to hear topper.
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He's the first person our family has lost due to Covid. :(
Here's to hoping that he's the last.
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Just got word a buddy of mine passed last night from Covid. First person I personally knew to die from it. He first got Covid mid November, seemed to have recovered, and late Wednesday night had trouble breathing and was admitted to intensive care. He was 50 years old, with a wife and two young kids left behind.
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Just got word a buddy of mine passed last night from Covid. First person I personally knew to die from it. He first got Covid mid November, seemed to have recovered, and late Wednesday night had trouble breathing and was admitted to intensive care. He was 50 years old, with a wife and two young kids left behind.
Very sorry to hear, Dish. It must be especially jolting that he seemed to have recovered, and then was gone in a couple of days.
Covid sucks.
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Our outside IT person was in today and he was spouting the COVID is like flu BS and I was trying to keep from throwing something at him.
What's even more bizarre is he is the Grand Master of the Masonic lodge in New Haven and he's the biggest conspiracy theorist I've ever met. Which seems backwards.
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Prayers for all.
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Just got word a buddy of mine passed last night from Covid. First person I personally knew to die from it. He first got Covid mid November, seemed to have recovered, and late Wednesday night had trouble breathing and was admitted to intensive care. He was 50 years old, with a wife and two young kids left behind.
Sorry to hear Dish. Neighbor's friend is fortunately ok, but similar story. He was in the hospital in late November and basically was told "you're good enough to go home - but take care of yourself because we can't guarantee there will be a spot for you if you have to come back". Fortunately he's been ok so far. But 1) be thankful for every day 2) don't pass judgment unless you've stepped in those shoes.
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Guy I worked with for many years lost his wife last night. She had battled many health issues for years, and ultimately contracted it in a rehab facility.
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I have friends whose parents are in assisted living. Mom is 88 and Dad is 92. I am close to them as well.
They have literally not left their apartment since early March. They visit their family by waving from their balcony. Anything their family brings to them is disinfected and quarantined for 48 hours. Their facility was one of the few that managed to escape earlier outbreaks.
This week they both were diagnosed with Covid-19. Mom was in the hospital briefly and released today.
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I have friends whose parents are in assisted living. Mom is 88 and Dad is 92. I am close to them as well.
They have literally not left their apartment since early March. They visit their family by waving from their balcony. Anything their family brings to them is disinfected and quarantined for 48 hours. Their facility was one of the few that managed to escape earlier outbreaks.
This week they both were diagnosed with Covid-19. Mom was in the hospital briefly and released today.
I feel bad for anyone who gets Covid-19, but my heart especially goes out to those at at-risk people who do all the right things and still get it. I hope for the best for your friends’ parents.
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Didn’t want to clutter the Vaccine/Antibody thread with this, but just got my antibody test at Metro Market/Pick N Save....and I’m positive for IgG antibodies.
So in the bizarre world of COVID transmission. My GF who Ive lived with since this began and share a bedroom with had a significant case in June and I both tested negative for COVID in the days following her diagnosis as well as negative for antibodies about 6 weeks later.
Now, 5 months later, with no sickness other than a cold 1-2 months ago with no noticeable COVID-like symptoms, I apparently had an asymptomatic case and now have antibodies. Wild stuff.
Related, HIGHLY recommend the test. $25, results in 15 min, easy peasy.
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Didn’t want to clutter the Vaccine/Antibody thread with this, but just got my antibody test at Metro Market/Pick N Save....and I’m positive for IgG antibodies.
So in the bizarre world of COVID transmission. My GF who Ive lived with since this began and share a bedroom with had a significant case in June and I both tested negative for COVID in the days following her diagnosis as well as negative for antibodies about 6 weeks later.
Now, 5 months later, with no sickness other than a cold 1-2 months ago with no noticeable COVID-like symptoms, I apparently had an asymptomatic case and now have antibodies. Wild stuff.
Related, HIGHLY recommend the test. $25, results in 15 min, easy peasy.
Curious. Do you know if your test was one of the antigen/quick tests or PCR?
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Curious. Do you know if your test was one of the antigen/quick tests or PCR?
It’s the Assure IgG/IgM Rapid Test
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It’s the Assure IgG/IgM Rapid Test
Thanks that’s good to know. Was curious about the virus test though that came up negative.
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Thanks that’s good to know. Was curious about the virus test though that came up negative.
Oh apologies, the original COVID test was PCR
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Fun update, so as I mentioned, I received a positive antibody test last week. Well my GF went to visit her sister (since she had antibodies and her sister was ok with it as a result). They went together to get yet another antibody test as her sister was interested having been exposed to a number of COVID extended family members in a clusterf*** of a situation back around the Jewish High Holidays. So they went to a nearby diagnostic center there and did the test...my GF tested positive for not only the IgG antibodies, but also the IgM. From what I understand, there is very little evidence of proof of the IgM antibodies lasting more than around 2 months post infection. Given she initially tested positive in early July, that would mean she contracted it a second time more recently. Likely around the time I must have been infected. Very interesting and kind of crazy. She had a rough few days the first go around, but since then she hasn’t even had a cold, much less anything symptomatic
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Tom Blackburn, longtime Palm Beach Post editorial writer, dies at 86 after bout with COVID-19
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2021/01/05/tom-blackburn-palm-beach-post-editorial-writer-dies-after-bout-covid-19/4132893001/
Tom was a Marquette alum. His daughter a nun.
From the article:
“He was an old-school guy with a new-school mind,” said Randy Schultz, who was editorial page editor at The Post for more than two decades.
And what a mind. Stephen Blackburn said his dad could discuss subjects as wide-ranging as aeronautic engineering and Civil War strategy. “He read about everything.” Because of that, he knew a lot about everything.
“It was like having Google in your pocket before Google existed," Stephen Blackburn said. "It’s impossible to replicate who he was as a human being. Not many people are interested in so many topics.”
“He was profoundly ethical and moral. He was always going to Mass, always thinking about feeding the poor – all those things that Christ wanted. He was not judgmental of ordinary people. He was judgmental of leaders who let down ordinary people.”
"Tom was such an honorable man. There aren’t enough people in the world like Tom Blackburn. He made us all better.”
In lieu of flowers, the family suggests a donation in his name either to Marquette University, P.O. Box 1881, Milwaukee, Wisc. 53201; or the St. Lawrence Seminary, 301 Church St., Mount Calvary, Wisc. 53057.
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My aunt, (who is in her 50s and has Downs Syndrome) just tested positive along with three of her roommates in her group home on Long Island. Exposed on the 28th, tested positive today, asymptomatic so far, but looks like we need a few more days before we are out of the woods.
And surprise surprise, got it from a health care worker who attended a large family Xmas gathering the week before.
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My aunt, (who is in her 50s and has Downs Syndrome) just tested positive along with three of her roommates in her group home on Long Island. Exposed on the 28th, tested positive today, asymptomatic so far, but looks like we need a few more days before we are out of the woods.
And surprise surprise, got it from a health care worker who attended a large family Xmas gathering the week before.
Hey, trying to figure out time between exposure and positive tests, etc.... Based on what you posted it was 11 days. Were there any negative tests in between? When was the test taken? My wife works at a place where a co-worker was exposed evening of January 1st. Had a test on the 5th and got the result as negative today. She is going back to work tomorrow. I don't think that is enough time, but her boss does. Thoughts?
Thanks
Edited for grammar and spelling.
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Hey, trying to figure out time between exposure and positive tests, etc.... Based on what you posted it was 11 days. Were there any negative tests in between? When was the test taken? My wife works at a place where a co-worker was exposed evening of January 1st. Had a test on the 5th and got the result as negative today. She is going back to work tomorrow. I don't think that is enough time, but her boss does. Thoughts?
Thanks
Edited for grammar and spelling.
Our office rule is to go home until 5 days from exposure, then get tested. Remain home until test results. Positive and you're out for two weeks. Negative and you're back at work when the results come through. We are being very cautious and have had zero spread between employees and clients.
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That doesn’t seem to be enough time to me. Can’t it take longer than that for the virus to start showing up?
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CDC guidelines appear to still say that if there is a close contact exposure, even with a negative test, you should still quarantine for 14 days.
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CDC guidelines appear to still say that if there is a close contact exposure, even with a negative test, you should still quarantine for 14 days.
The new guidelines say 14 days, but you can exit after 7-10 days if you remain asymptomatic with a negative test.
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Neither of the above situations seem to fit that parameter, the tests were not after 7 days, which I have seen thrown around as a fairly reliable timeframe. Results after seven days are not the same thing of course.
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The reason you test 5 days after entering quarantine is because, if they are positive, you can get THEIR close contacts identified and placed into quarantine. That doesn't mean that you are in the clear but it is tool to get control over spread.
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Our office rule is to go home until 5 days from exposure, then get tested. Remain home until test results. Positive and you're out for two weeks. Negative and you're back at work when the results come through. We are being very cautious and have had zero spread between employees and clients.
That's a dangerous policy. I know a lot of people that tested negative 5 or 6 days after, only to develop symptoms and test positive 2-3 days later.
The new guidelines say 14 days, but you can exit after 7-10 days if you remain asymptomatic with a negative test.
The reason you test 5 days after entering quarantine is because, if they are positive, you can get THEIR close contacts identified and placed into quarantine. That doesn't mean that you are in the clear but it is tool to get control over spread.
Both of these. Data shows that after 7 days, the PCR tests are accurate enough to the overwhelming majority of the time they will test positive by this point. By 10 days with still being asymptomatic and having a negative test, you are quite safe.
Testing 5 days after is still smart as Fluffy says, so that you can identify contacts quick and hopefully stop that chain of spread.
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Ok that makes some sense, but Hards reported that if they test negative after five days they are going back to work, if I read that correctly.
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That's a dangerous policy. I know a lot of people that tested negative 5 or 6 days after, only to develop symptoms and test positive 2-3 days later.
Both of these. Data shows that after 7 days, the PCR tests are accurate enough to the overwhelming majority of the time they will test positive by this point. By 10 days with still being asymptomatic and having a negative test, you are quite safe.
Testing 5 days after is still smart as Fluffy says, so that you can identify contacts quick and hopefully stop that chain of spread.
Call it dangerous if you want, but those are the guidelines set forth in the state of Wisconsin by the DHS. Again, we've had zero spread related to work. Is there a possibility that a person gets through? Sure, but there will always be that chance.
MIT Medical cites a recent Anals of Internal Medicine study that looked into the probability of a false negative on a COVID test. On the first day after a probable exposure, the likelihood of a false negative was 100%. That percent decreased with each passing day. By day five, an infected person had only a 5% chance of a false negative. Usually, symptoms develop five to six days after exposure (if at all).
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/verify/verify-covid-coronavirus-testing-time-symptoms-spread-wfmy/83-89397de5-391f-4403-a235-d2621759b680
Overall, 181 cases from outside Hubei province occurring before February 24, 2020, were analyzed. The majority of cases were from outside of mainland China (n = 108). Most had history of travel to Wuhan or contact with travelers from the region. The authors estimated the median incubation period to be 5.1 days (95% confidence interval, 4.5-5.8 days); 97.5% of people who were infected exhibited symptoms by 11.5 days (95% confidence interval, 8.2-15.6 days). Similar results were obtained in analysis looking only at fever onset.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2020/05/11/15/18/the-incubation-period-of-coronavirus-disease
Having said all of this, we have sent employees home with pay for two weeks for having close contact at work with an unknowingly infected person. Additionally, until very recently, tests didn't come back for two days or more.
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My 2 boys are on their 3rd covid quarantine of the basketball season. I am amazed at how other schools in WI have had 0 breaks to this point. 3 breaks for us in less than 2 months.
The worst part about it to me is how the coach has handled things. This time the exposure came at a film session in which the players were seated 4 ft apart instead of 6ft apart. Simple solution watch film on a zoom call to reduce exposure or you are watching film in the gym space the team out or watch film in smaller groups. He has had 4 weeks of no coaching to figure this out. Just heard while the team starts to quarantine today he is back in the classroom teaching. Glad he kept himself safe and not my kids
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I wonder if the teacher from Burlington will bring more covid to the area
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My aunt, (who is in her 50s and has Downs Syndrome) just tested positive along with three of her roommates in her group home on Long Island. Exposed on the 28th, tested positive today, asymptomatic so far, but looks like we need a few more days before we are out of the woods.
And surprise surprise, got it from a health care worker who attended a large family Xmas gathering the week before.
Just a quick update. Unfortunately got admitted to the hospital last night, complaining of stomach pains...she was dehydrated from not eating or drinking much, but they scanned her lungs and she has pneumonia, but no other symptoms.
Started her a on a 5 day treatment of Remdesivir, keeping her in the hospital through the week.
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Hope that all will be well.
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My Aunt is in the hospital with Covid and I am saying my prayers for her and everyone hospitalized with Covid. She is fantastic woman and very worried about her.
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Will keep her in my prayers goose. Very sorry to hear that.
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My parish priest has tested positive and is symptomatic. Early 60's, several underlying conditions.
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Sadly, my Aunt passed away last night. A truly wonderful woman, big MU fan, 100% Serbian and legend in the MKE Serbian community and an awesome Aunt and will be missed by many people.
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My sympathy, condolence, and prayers.
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So Sorry Goose. Hope your family can find peace in celebrating her life. This thing stinks.
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Sorry for your loss goose
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Condolences Goose.
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Very sorry to hear this Goose. Your family will be in my prayers.
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Sorry to hear Goose.
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Sorry for your loss Goose
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Very sorry to hear Goose.
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Prayers to you and your family Goose.
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Sister and Brother in law both tested positive. Both highly symptomatic. My sister had the Pfizer shot on New Year's Day, second shot appropriate time later.
Don't let up the caution people.
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My condolences, Goose. I know you and the rest of your family will fondly remember all the great times you spent with your aunt.
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Sister and Brother in law both tested positive. Both highly symptomatic. My sister had the Pfizer shot on New Year's Day, second shot appropriate time later.
Don't let up the caution people.
Wow - sorry to hear.
And really scary, given that your sister was already vaccinated. I suppose a reminder that no vaccine is 100% effective.
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Sister and Brother in law both tested positive. Both highly symptomatic. My sister had the Pfizer shot on New Year's Day, second shot appropriate time later.
Don't let up the caution people.
If the vaccine works she shouldn't get too sick and hopefully a faster recovery.
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Wow - sorry to hear.
And really scary, given that your sister was already vaccinated. I suppose a reminder that no vaccine is 100% effective.
Makes me wonder if we should be doing a antibody titer on a random set of the US population to verify immune response.
I got the Hep C regimen, and my titer came back negative a few years ago.
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Sorry to hear this Galway. Wish them a speedy recovery.
Variants could be playing a part too.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/yes-you-can-still-get-covid-after-being-fully-vaccinated-but-what-are-the-odds/2476593/
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Makes me wonder if we should be doing a antibody titer on a random set of the US population to verify immune response.
I got the Hep C regimen, and my titer came back negative a few years ago.
I've had to get multiple hep C boosters. Basically anytime I take a job at a new hospital, they check my titers. Almost always low
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I've had to get multiple hep C boosters. Basically anytime I take a job at a new hospital, they check my titers. Almost always low
How r ur titers doin tonight tho