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Title: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2020, 04:06:34 PM
Following the trend, I am starting a thread for MN-based Scoopers.

The MPLS Star Tribune has unlimited access to many of its covid-19 articles, including this general update of the latest info:

http://www.startribune.com/live-minnesota-coronavirus-updates-what-you-need-to-know-covid-19-questions-answered/565538621/

Currently up to 89 cases here, but still way short of the needed testing capability. And MN Republicans are challenging the governor's authority to close businesses.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on March 19, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
I thought Minnesota only existed so that Iowans had someone to beat up on.

Or, was it the other way around?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2020, 04:16:00 PM
I thought Minnesota only existed so that Iowans had someone to beat up on.

Or, was it the other way around?

Iowans come to Minnesota when they want to find something interesting to do. Minnesotans go to Iowa...when they're passing through on their way to somewhere else.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on March 19, 2020, 05:54:52 PM
Iowans come to Minnesota when they want to find something interesting to do. Minnesotans go to Iowa...when they're passing through on their way to somewhere else.

Yeah, that's all we use Illinois for.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jay Bee on March 19, 2020, 06:56:35 PM
New confirmed case is someone in my apartment building. Sweet.

Add another one for COVID-19 leader Hennepin County.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2020, 07:13:13 PM
New confirmed case is someone in my apartment building. Sweet.

Add another one for COVID-19 leader Hennepin County.


Stay safe JB.

On other MN news, Mayo now has the capacity to run about 4,000 covid-19 tests per day, so I suspect our numbers will be climbing quickly.

https://www.medcitybeat.com/news-blog/2020/mayo-expands-testing
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on March 19, 2020, 09:24:58 PM
New confirmed case is someone in my apartment building. Sweet.

Add another one for COVID-19 leader Hennepin County.

Be careful and stay safe.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jay Bee on March 22, 2020, 04:27:06 PM
We’re just wasting time & lives now. We’ll be going to shelter-in-place — why wait? Tons of dumb behavior going on in Minneapolis today.

Have a good summer everyone.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2020, 04:29:15 PM
We’re just wasting time & lives now. We’ll be going to shelter-in-place — why wait? Tons of dumb behavior going on in Minneapolis today.

Have a good summer everyone.

Correctamundo.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 22, 2020, 06:41:20 PM
We’re just wasting time & lives now. We’ll be going to shelter-in-place — why wait? Tons of dumb behavior going on in Minneapolis today.

Have a good summer everyone.


Yep - I've essentially been doing that here in Rochester for the past week, and plan to continue regardless of any order. Only going out on essential grocery runs, and for solo walks or bike rides.

I wish we had a nationwide lockdown, but we should at least have a statewide one. Too many stupid people doing too much stupid stuff.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Stronghold on March 22, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
We’re just wasting time & lives now. We’ll be going to shelter-in-place — why wait? Tons of dumb behavior going on in Minneapolis today.

Have a good summer everyone.

Almost have to think this is coming tomorrow.  Fully expected it to happen at the governor's press conference on Friday at 2pm.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 23, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
Among people who have been tested*, Mayo has helped the state catch up in running the samples and obtaining test results.


*testing is still restricted to higher-risk patients...but at least we are able to get results promptly when we obtain the samples.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 23, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
Among other state news...Gov. Walz in self-isolation after contact with someone who tested positive; Amy Klobuchar's husband hospitalized with COVID-19 (on oxygen; currently does not require a ventilator).

http://www.startribune.com/live-minnesota-coronavirus-updates-what-you-need-to-know-covid-19-questions-answered/565538621/
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 25, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
MN under a "stay at home" order, effective midnight tomorrow:

https://www.startribune.com/stay-at-home-order-minnesota-what-you-need-to-know-twin-cities-minneapolis-walz/568484941/

Keeps bars and restaurants closed through May 1, schools using distance learning through May 4 (both through separate, existing orders), and allows for walking, running, biking and such. My one disappointment, as I have seen in other states, is that the list of "essential services" goes on for two or three pages...which is why most view it as an "official" extension of what most people with common sense have been doing for a couple of weeks already.

Hopefully, it at least keeps the size of groups, the number of shopping trips and such to a minimum.

Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
Current projections say MN's COVID-19 peak will be in late May, +/- 2 weeks...so anywhere from mid-May to mid-June.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/01/latest-on-covid19-in-minnesota
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 04, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
At the moment, MN and PR have the fewest COVID-19 cases per capita (14/100,000).

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/

Let's hope people will continue to take the stay at home order seriously.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 10, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Mayo Clinic cutting pay of salaried staff up to 20% and asking some to take extended furloughs to deal with COVID-related losses. Pay for hourly workers is protected for the time being.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/10/mayo-clinic-announces-sweeping-pay-cuts-furloughs
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 10, 2020, 05:25:20 PM
My mom said this just happened at a local hospital that she used to work at.  These people work on outpatient procedures and all of the procedures are on hold.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2020, 09:22:28 AM
Per MPR, MN's health economist estimates that reported COVID cases are being underreported by 99% due to lack of widespread testing:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/11/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

“Multiply the confirmed cases by 100,” Stefan Gildemeister, the state’s health economist, said Friday. “That’s where we expect to be.” That puts the high estimate at 133,600 cases in the state.

Gildemeister said officials arrived at that estimate by looking at the number of reported deaths from COVID-19, which are much more noticeable than the number of cases, then working backward to estimate “how many infected patients does it really take” to get that number of deaths.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jay Bee on April 22, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
20k tests per day on deck

Minnesota again is the model for the country and world
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 22, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
20k tests per day on deck

Minnesota again is the model for the country and world


Yep. Mayo Clinic and U of MN rolling out huge testing numbers. Effectively immediately, every person in MN with COVID-19 symptoms can get tested.

https://www.medcitybeat.com/news-blog/2020/mayo-u-of-m-increased-testing
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 22, 2020, 06:43:37 PM

Yep. Mayo Clinic and U of MN rolling out huge testing numbers. Effectively immediately, every person in MN with COVID-19 symptoms can get tested.

https://www.medcitybeat.com/news-blog/2020/mayo-u-of-m-increased-testing

Well that's one step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jay Bee on April 22, 2020, 08:36:05 PM

Yep. Mayo Clinic and U of MN rolling out huge testing numbers. Effectively immediately, every person in MN with COVID-19 symptoms can get tested.

https://www.medcitybeat.com/news-blog/2020/mayo-u-of-m-increased-testing

Not there yet... but hope to be soon.

I'd love the antibody test.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 23, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
Agree .. I'd posted in another thread that the antibody test was $94 at a hospital in Denver.

Once that kind of test is available in Milwaukee, I am 100% getting it.

https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1253355549355380739
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 26, 2020, 07:37:41 PM
Even under POTUS’ plan, MN shouldn’t begin phase I of reopening until after the plateau in late June...and yet Walz is starting to reopen some manufacturing and office businesses tomorrow. A bad decision IMHO. We may be right up there with GA, SC and TN in the vanguard of the second wave.

It was nice having one of the lowest infection rates in the country while it lasted.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: forgetful on April 26, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
Per MPR, MN's health economist estimates that reported COVID cases are being underreported by 99% due to lack of widespread testing:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/11/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

“Multiply the confirmed cases by 100,” Stefan Gildemeister, the state’s health economist, said Friday. “That’s where we expect to be.” That puts the high estimate at 133,600 cases in the state.

Gildemeister said officials arrived at that estimate by looking at the number of reported deaths from COVID-19, which are much more noticeable than the number of cases, then working backward to estimate “how many infected patients does it really take” to get that number of deaths.


Interesting, that would put the mortality rate below 0.2%. I think death tolls are actually a better measure of total infections right now, but use the 0.8-1% mortality rate estimated by antibody tests in NY.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 30, 2020, 04:29:43 PM
MN Gov Walz extends stay-at-home order to May 18, and allows narrow exception for retailers to open for curbside pickup only (similar to current status for restaurants). Also considering the possibility of allowing elective medical and dental visits.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/30/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

I have some concern that he is doing this as numbers continue to rise, but I take some comfort that: (1) he talks with experts at Mayo, the U of MN and the MN Department of Public Health, and takes their input seriously; (2) he is doing this gradually, and has stated that large gatherings and widespread indoor activities are still quite a ways off.

Not my ideal, but far better than GA and several other states.

We shall see....
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 01, 2020, 02:54:37 PM
While most of MN is doing reasonably well in terms of the numbers, I discovered this morning that St. Cloud currently has the highest growth rate of any city in the US...doubling every 2 days. Yikes!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/upshot/five-ways-to-monitor-coronavirus-outbreak-us.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#next-hotspots

Also interesting to see Iowa occupying 3 of the top 5 spots. Not terribly shocking I guess, since they never had a stay-at-home order....
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Stronghold on May 01, 2020, 03:03:55 PM
Executive Order 20-48 states "all workers who can work from home must continue to do so."  My wife is a graphic designer and her employer is telling her to come to the office starting on Monday.  She sent an email to the HR manager and got some BS response about how their business is cleared to reopen.  Regardless if the business as a whole can open, shouldn't employees that are able to work from home continue to do so?  They also said if she doesn't have any medical issues she should be coming in or something like that.  She has been working from home for the last several weeks with no issues.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on May 01, 2020, 03:21:44 PM
MN Gov Walz extends stay-at-home order to May 18, and allows narrow exception for retailers to open for curbside pickup only (similar to current status for restaurants). Also considering the possibility of allowing elective medical and dental visits.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/30/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

I have some concern that he is doing this as numbers continue to rise, but I take some comfort that: (1) he talks with experts at Mayo, the U of MN and the MN Department of Public Health, and takes their input seriously; (2) he is doing this gradually, and has stated that large gatherings and widespread indoor activities are still quite a ways off.

Not my ideal, but far better than GA and several other states.

We shall see....

Ohio is doing the same thing. I think (?) it’s a good idea to start this. We’ll see what the effect is in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 01, 2020, 03:36:12 PM
Executive Order 20-48 states "all workers who can work from home must continue to do so."  My wife is a graphic designer and her employer is telling her to come to the office starting on Monday.  She sent an email to the HR manager and got some BS response about how their business is cleared to reopen.  Regardless if the business as a whole can open, shouldn't employees that are able to work from home continue to do so?  They also said if she doesn't have any medical issues she should be coming in or something like that.  She has been working from home for the last several weeks with no issues.

I see it the same way. The language in Section 8 is pretty clear about being required to keep working from home if she is able to do so, even if she is in a Non-Critical Exempt Business. Heck - it's the first sentence of the entire section and it's in all bold lettering, so I'd think they would take it seriously. I would encourage her to quote that language back to HR, and specifically ask for written documentation of why they believe she is not capable of working from home. Maybe even ask to talk to someone from Legal (if the company has a legal department).
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 07, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
According to data from Johns Hopkins, MN, NE and PR have COVID rates that are 50% higher than last week.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-caseloads-states-b24899a3-286e-4ea9-bd71-0e88ed645e68.html

Minnesota should NOT be reopening any non-essential businesses yet. This is crazy.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: cheebs09 on May 08, 2020, 11:59:23 AM
Executive Order 20-48 states "all workers who can work from home must continue to do so."  My wife is a graphic designer and her employer is telling her to come to the office starting on Monday.  She sent an email to the HR manager and got some BS response about how their business is cleared to reopen.  Regardless if the business as a whole can open, shouldn't employees that are able to work from home continue to do so?  They also said if she doesn't have any medical issues she should be coming in or something like that.  She has been working from home for the last several weeks with no issues.

Everyone I’ve talked to is talking about a phased approach. I’ve been told to plan on working from home for a few more months, and I’m in Wisconsin. That’s pretty consistent with the companies my friends work at.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 10, 2020, 02:54:38 PM
Health officials encourage more Minnesotans to seek testing for COVID-19

https://www.startribune.com/health-officials-encourage-more-minnesotans-to-seek-testing-for-covid-19/570343811/

Even as the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in Minnesota continues to soar, the push to dramatically expand testing is coming up short because not enough people with symptoms are seeking tests.
....
"The providers are telling us: People aren't coming in, either because they had gotten the message previously that testing wasn't available or for whatever reason," said Jan Malcolm, the state's health commissioner. "People aren't availing themselves of the testing capacity that's there. We need to do better."

The Minnesota Department of Health is calling for patients with symptoms to get tested. Testing is key to understanding not only the disease, but also when states can begin to safely reopen businesses and activities that remain shut down by stay-at-home orders.


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Bottom line: If you live in MN and have symptoms, get in to be tested. There is plenty of testing capacity.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 13, 2020, 06:38:47 PM
We have one of the highest rates of new cases in the country, one of the highest new death rates in the country and our governor decides to allow the stay at home order to expire even though Trump’s CDC says it’s too early. Weak.

All the people who wanted to put business first should be thrilled right now. Let me know when #thegreatturnaround happens.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 24, 2020, 10:48:09 AM
A few weeks ago, MN was doing amazing well. Good testing compared to most places, good compliance with stay at home orders, and for quite a while, we were 50th in infection rate and had a remarkably low number of infections and deaths. And our governor seemed to be listening to the scientists.

Then he opened things up in response to political and economic pressure, well before the numbers said he should. And we started flying up the chart in terms of total infections and infection rate. Over the course of a few weeks, we have moved up to 21st in infection rate, 20th in total infections and 18th in death rate. And with our numbers still increasing faster than those of many states ahead of us on the list, we will likely be in the top 15 in all of them within a week.

And now Governor Walz has caved to pressure to open churches to services up to 25% of capacity...higher even than permitted capacities in some Bible Belt states.

We are gonna be making some national headlines soon.... :(
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: real chili 83 on May 26, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
A few weeks ago, MN was doing amazing well. Good testing compared to most places, good compliance with stay at home orders, and for quite a while, we were 50th in infection rate and had a remarkably low number of infections and deaths. And our governor seemed to be listening to the scientists.

Then he opened things up in response to political and economic pressure, well before the numbers said he should. And we started flying up the chart in terms of total infections and infection rate. Over the course of a few weeks, we have moved up to 21st in infection rate, 20th in total infections and 18th in death rate. And with our numbers still increasing faster than those of many states ahead of us on the list, we will likely be in the top 15 in all of them within a week.

And now Governor Walz has caved to pressure to open churches to services up to 25% of capacity...higher even than permitted capacities in some Bible Belt states.

We are gonna be making some national headlines soon.... :(

All true, but you can't ignore greatly improved testing availability.  Hospitalizations would seem to be a more accurate indicator.  That number is up too.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 26, 2020, 02:17:04 PM
All true, but you can't ignore greatly improved testing availability.  Hospitalizations would seem to be a more accurate indicator.  That number is up too.


Fair points. I just hope we thread the needle between keeping business alive and getting a nasty summer surge. I am admittedly risk-averse when it comes to health issues, so maybe Walz and the experts he's consulting with have it right.

Time will tell....
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Elonsmusk on July 26, 2020, 12:40:46 PM
Anyone find it odd that Minnesota with its very cautious approach - as compared to Wisconsin - yet cases of COVID are virtually identical?

Hard to fathom how this could be possible given the recklessness of Wisconsinites going to bars (unmasked/inside) after the Supreme Court overturned the shutdown. 

Oddly, Minnesota's has now had 1600 deaths from Covid and Wisconsin 900?  Have to question leadership in the state of Minnesota.  Governor Walz has blood on his hands and should be held to account for this tragedy.

Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: tower912 on July 26, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Looks like goooooo called it in May.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: mu_hilltopper on July 26, 2020, 12:57:01 PM
Anyone find it odd that Minnesota with its very cautious approach - as compared to Wisconsin - yet cases of COVID are virtually identical?

Hard to fathom how this could be possible given the recklessness of Wisconsinites going to bars (unmasked/inside) after the Supreme Court overturned the shutdown. 

Oddly, Minnesota's has now had 1600 deaths from Covid and Wisconsin 900?  Have to question leadership in the state of Minnesota.  Governor Walz has blood on his hands and should be held to account for this tragedy.


I think this raises some good topics.   On a state level anyhow .. the efficacy of public health policies may move the needle some, but not much.   

I'd surmise it's more about culture than good governance.   There are large swaths of national-wide culture that is anti-expertise, or anti-authority, or anti-science, plus a good amount of selfishness or an unwillingness to sacrifice for the common good.    You drop XX% of those people in the state and you're going to have bad outcomes despite even the best of governance.

Minnesota may be that poster child.

-- Also -- there's a certain factor of just plain random bad luck.   Like .. not all meat processing plans were wiped out, only a few.  They just rolled snake eyes and it ran rampant. 
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on July 26, 2020, 01:49:34 PM
Anyone find it odd that Minnesota with its very cautious approach - as compared to Wisconsin - yet cases of COVID are virtually identical?

Hard to fathom how this could be possible given the recklessness of Wisconsinites going to bars (unmasked/inside) after the Supreme Court overturned the shutdown. 

Oddly, Minnesota's has now had 1600 deaths from Covid and Wisconsin 900?  Have to question leadership in the state of Minnesota.  Governor Walz has blood on his hands and should be held to account for this tragedy.


Minnesota's approach was not 'very cautions' compared to Wisconsin. WI began opening on May 13, and MN began on May 18. The subsequent phases followed quickly in both states. And MN has had outbreaks from unmasked customers in bars, just like Wisconsin.

Very similar approaches -> very similar case rates.

I don't know the explanation for the death rates, but it could be as simple as different reporting criteria.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
The good news: We are doing dramatically better than our immediate neighbors who are experiencing some of the highest recent case rates in the country, as reflected in 7-day rolling averages (ND #1, SD #2, WI #3, IA #4, MN #18). And our testing rate per capita is second in the region to ND, and far above the others.

The bad news: Our numbers are still increasing too quickly ahead of the 'indoor' season, and we just hit 100,000 confirmed cases today.

Stay safe and wear your masks!
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 14, 2020, 09:42:41 AM
MN has been one of the top testing states in the upper midwest, keeping its recent upticks in cases well below those in ND, SD, WI, and IA, and positivity rates around 5%. Yesterday officials announced a plan to dramatically increase testing capabilities, including saliva tests.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/10/14/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

News Tuesday that state officials are ramping up plans to massively expand COVID-19 testing opportunities across Minnesota served to reaffirm a point public health leaders have been making for weeks: The pandemic here is far from over.

The ramp-up includes new saliva testing sites opening in Moorhead and Winona this week and Brooklyn Park next week. The state’s already running a site in Duluth and is building out a lab in the St. Paul suburbs to process the waves of tests expected to follow.

Collectively, Minnesota will be able to process 60,000 tests per day, officials said, about twice what it’s managed on its best days to date.


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MN has been far from perfect in its handling of the pandemic, but the results show we are mitigating it much better than our immediate neighbors. Hopefully, we can get people to avail themselves of these tests, and quarantine when appropriate to keep cases down.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: real chili 83 on October 14, 2020, 11:10:27 AM
MN has been one of the top testing states in the upper midwest, keeping its recent upticks in cases well below those in ND, SD, WI, and IA, and positivity rates around 5%. Yesterday officials announced a plan to dramatically increase testing capabilities, including saliva tests.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/10/14/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

News Tuesday that state officials are ramping up plans to massively expand COVID-19 testing opportunities across Minnesota served to reaffirm a point public health leaders have been making for weeks: The pandemic here is far from over.

The ramp-up includes new saliva testing sites opening in Moorhead and Winona this week and Brooklyn Park next week. The state’s already running a site in Duluth and is building out a lab in the St. Paul suburbs to process the waves of tests expected to follow.

Collectively, Minnesota will be able to process 60,000 tests per day, officials said, about twice what it’s managed on its best days to date.


If you live near one of these sites, almost no reason to not get one.

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MN has been far from perfect in its handling of the pandemic, but the results show we are mitigating it much better than our immediate neighbors. Hopefully, we can get people to avail themselves of these tests, and quarantine when appropriate to keep cases down.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 29, 2020, 06:01:33 PM
Interesting dynamic ahead of a scheduled Trump rally in Rochester tomorrow afternoon.

It was originally announced that he would have the rally at the airport, and host “25,000 people.“ The Rochester mayor insisted that he follow state health department guidelines, which limit the size of outside gatherings to 250 people.

This morning the rally was moved to a business in a nearby small town, again with promises of “25,000 people.” Then  this afternoon it was announced that the rally would not be at that business, but might be back at the airport.

I don’t think the campaign would follow the state health guidelines...but the city operates the airport and the mayor has stated that local and state police may regulate access. Should be interesting to see what happens....

https://kttc.com/2020/10/29/rochester-city-official-says-trump-rally-moving-to-nearby-community/
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on October 29, 2020, 07:02:18 PM
trump is bound by no law. His lawyers actually argued in court that murder is not illegal for the president.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 29, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
trump is bound by no law. His lawyers actually argued in court that murder is not illegal for the president.


Yeah, I know that’s what he thinks. This is kind of interesting though, because the city has the ability to restrict access to the airport, and seems willing to exercise that ability. The airport is small enough that it would not be a significant disruption to flights, so that isn’t an issue like it would be in larger cities.

My guess is he ends up going to another place in Minnesota, or perhaps western Wisconsin (LaCrosse?).
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 29, 2020, 08:47:12 PM
Latest update: The city of Rochester (at the urging of the Mayo Clinic) held firm on compliance with the state guidelines. The city has now announced that it will be an invitation-only event.

https://www.rochestermn.gov/Home/Components/News/News/8119/1121

https://www.medcitybeat.com/news-blog/2020/trump-campaign-settles-on-invite-only-rally-at-rochester-airport

The city is also going to be setting up a perimeter on the roads surrounding the airport. I haven’t heard anything formal, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there is a checkpoint for invitations.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on October 29, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
We haven’t heard the end of this, I would bet.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 29, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
We haven’t heard the end of this, I would bet.


I fear you are correct. And I live only a few miles from the airport. Needless to say, I won’t go anywhere near it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: real chili 83 on October 30, 2020, 07:55:27 AM

I fear you are correct. And I live only a few miles from the airport. Needless to say, I won’t go anywhere near it tomorrow.
  Oh, so you're the guy who runs the porn place off of 1-90 and 63.   :D
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 30, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
  Oh, so you're the guy who runs the porn place off of 1-90 and 63.   :D

Damn! I've been outed....
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: pbiflyer on October 30, 2020, 09:51:07 AM
  Oh, so you're the guy who runs the porn place off of 1-90 and 63.   :D
How do you know it is a guy that runs it?  ;)
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 30, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
And as predicted, Trump is trying to weasel his way around the agreement with the city. The agreement was to issue only 250 passes for people to attend. Instead, the campaign apparently let people 'register' with the first 250 getting in. Which of course would mean miles and miles of cars full of people thinking they would get in, and fully intending to get in. And Trump tweeted this morning that he plans to have 25,000 people there.

Should be interesting to see if the city responds to this (fully expected) breach of the agreement, and whether it sticks by its plans to set up a perimeter to keep those cars away from the airport property itself....

https://kttc.com/2020/10/30/rochester-city-officials-and-trump-campaign-in-conflict-over-rally-agreement/
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on October 30, 2020, 02:27:24 PM
And as predicted, Trump is trying to weasel his way around the agreement with the city. The agreement was to issue only 250 passes for people to attend. Instead, the campaign apparently let people 'register' with the first 250 getting in. Which of course would mean miles and miles of cars full of people thinking they would get in, and fully intending to get in. And Trump tweeted this morning that he plans to have 25,000 people there.

Should be interesting to see if the city responds to this (fully expected) breach of the agreement, and whether it sticks by its plans to set up a perimeter to keep those cars away from the airport property itself....

https://kttc.com/2020/10/30/rochester-city-officials-and-trump-campaign-in-conflict-over-rally-agreement/

Laws don’t apply to some people.

In a shocking bit of news, he’s blaming blacks.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 30, 2020, 08:13:08 PM
In the end, Rochester officials stuck to their guns and limited the crowd to 250 people. Not surprisingly, Trump saw it as a Democrat conspiracy and left the podium much more quickly than he typically does.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/30/us/trump-biden-election#trump-in-minnesota-lashes-out-at-democrats-for-limiting-crowd-sizes

Angry at restrictions on gatherings in Minnesota that prevented him from speaking in front of a large crowd of supporters, President Trump, campaigning in the city of Rochester, stalked off the stage after less than 30 minutes at his final stop of the day Friday.
...
Mr. Trump, who greeted supporters along a rope line ahead of the rally, left the stage without his usual finishing flourishes, where he talks about “winning, winning, winning” and dances to “Y.M.C.A.” by the Village People.


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The only thing missing was the baby Trump balloon.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on October 30, 2020, 10:09:35 PM
In the end, Rochester officials stuck to their guns and limited the crowd to 250 people. Not surprisingly, Trump saw it as a Democrat conspiracy and left the podium much more quickly than he typically does.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/30/us/trump-biden-election#trump-in-minnesota-lashes-out-at-democrats-for-limiting-crowd-sizes

Angry at restrictions on gatherings in Minnesota that prevented him from speaking in front of a large crowd of supporters, President Trump, campaigning in the city of Rochester, stalked off the stage after less than 30 minutes at his final stop of the day Friday.
...
Mr. Trump, who greeted supporters along a rope line ahead of the rally, left the stage without his usual finishing flourishes, where he talks about “winning, winning, winning” and dances to “Y.M.C.A.” by the Village People.



Didn’t he go to the overflow area and spread his disease to thousands?
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The only thing missing was the baby Trump balloon.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: MU82 on October 31, 2020, 12:47:03 AM
The only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him. Way to go, Rochester!

Nice to see that the leaders in Rochester and Minnesota actually believe that all life matters.

Would be nice if the emperor did, too, but I guess that ship sailed about a zillion lies ago.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 06, 2020, 12:35:03 PM
Wow - a new high of 5,454 new cases today. We had been avoiding some of the meteoric rises they've seen in WI, ND, SD and IA up to now, but it seems our (relatively) good fortune has run out....

Ugh...
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2020, 12:44:59 PM
Wow - a new high of 5,454 new cases today. We had been avoiding some of the meteoric rises they've seen in WI, ND, SD and IA up to now, but it seems our (relatively) good fortune has run out....

Ugh...


I think it is so widespread, and with everyone going indoors, that its getting out of control everywhere.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 06, 2020, 01:29:15 PM

I think it is so widespread, and with everyone going indoors, that its getting out of control everywhere.


Agreed. State-specific policies and practices may help, but we are at a stage where it's just varying degrees of bad.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2020, 03:19:47 PM
Wow - a new high of 5,454 new cases today. We had been avoiding some of the meteoric rises they've seen in WI, ND, SD and IA up to now, but it seems our (relatively) good fortune has run out....

Ugh...

All you can do is stay safe and keep your family safe. There is a percent of the population that won’t even attempt to stay safe, so all we can do is avoid those people.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 12, 2020, 01:16:07 PM
After weeks of keeping new infection rates lower than WI and other border states, the dam is bursting in MN.

Another 7,228 cases reported today.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 12, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
After weeks of keeping new infection rates lower than WI and other border states, the dam is bursting in MN.

Another 7,228 cases reported today.

We knew you could do it!!!
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 12, 2020, 02:38:15 PM
After weeks of keeping new infection rates lower than WI and other border states, the dam is bursting in MN.

Another 7,228 cases reported today.

Skol?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 13, 2020, 06:24:44 PM
Just found out this evening that my brother just got over COVID out in Minnesota. Which explains why haven't heard from him in 2 weeks.  Supposedly caught from his sister-in-law's husband next door who in turn caught it from his 98 year old mother.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 14, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
Another 8,703 new cases in MN today...just a few days after breaking 5,000 seemed horrible.

I am running out of adjectives.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2020, 03:16:03 PM
Another 8,703 new cases in MN today...just a few days after breaking 5,000 seemed horrible.

I am running out of adjectives.

Are they moving towards a shutdown?  Or what is the status at the moment?  I have to believe states are going to start shutting down across the country
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 14, 2020, 04:24:42 PM
Are they moving towards a shutdown?  Or what is the status at the moment?  I have to believe states are going to start shutting down across the country


I have not heard talk of a full lockdown, but I hope that changes soon.

There have been a few recent steps. Bars and restaurants are now required to close by 10pm.; schools in all the major cities (incl. MPLS, St. Paul, Rochester, Bloomington, Duluth) and many suburban districts are now exclusively distance learning; and private functions like wedding receptions will soon be capped at 25 (down from 50).

IMO, these steps might have been adequate a few weeks ago, but we waited too long. Our 7-day average numbers are now approaching those of the Dakotas, Iowa and Wisconsin...and that's way too high. Hospitals are filling up quickly, and many facilities (including Mayo) are back to restricting elective visits and procedures. We are on the verge. No time for half-measures....
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 14, 2020, 06:58:22 PM
Are they moving towards a shutdown?  Or what is the status at the moment?  I have to believe states are going to start shutting down across the country

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-minnesota-governor-covid-19-cases-news-conference-watch-live-stream-today-2020-11-13/

> Starting Friday, indoor and outdoor private social gatherings will be limited to no more than 10 people from a maximum of three households, Walz said. Bars and restaurants will be limited to 50% capacity both indoors and outdoors with a maximum of 150 people. Dine-in service will end at 10 p.m. although delivery after that time can continue.

> The restrictions were announced after hospitals expressed concern about their capacity to treat people with COVID-19, according to the governor's office.

The governor was apologetic about ordering even these minor restrictions. While hospitals are filling up and caretakers are concerned. MN is in for a bumpy ride along with its neighbors.

Another article I read is that there are 10x more nurse job openings right now than normal because nurses are walking off the job and not coming back.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Warriors4ever on November 14, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
50% seems pretty high, tbh.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 14, 2020, 08:13:57 PM
50% seems pretty high, tbh.


Agreed, given that people obviously need to take their masks off in restaurants and bars.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
Governor Walz expected to announce 4-week closure of bars, restaurants and other non-essential businesses as of close of business Friday. The formal announcement is expected at 6pm, but it is being widely reported as a #donedeal.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/11/18/walz-announces-new-measures-to-curb-covid19

Gov. Tim Walz on Wednesday is expected to roll out new curbs intended to stem the spread of COVID-19, including limiting bars and restaurants to takeout-only for four weeks, a source tells MPR News.

Gyms and fitness centers will also be closed for that duration, the source said. The new order will also affect theaters, bowling alleys and museums.


Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 23, 2020, 01:56:06 PM
MN is joining a growing number of states rolling out Covid app, which notifies you if you have a potential exposure.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/11/23/walz-to-announce-technology-to-help-spread-slow-of-covid19

From what I can tell, this isn't available in WI, IL or most other upper midwest states, so I assume not many here have used such an app? The idea is pretty cool, but it seems about 6 months late IMO....
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 23, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
MN is joining a growing number of states rolling out Covid app, which notifies you if you have a potential exposure.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/11/23/walz-to-announce-technology-to-help-spread-slow-of-covid19

From what I can tell, this isn't available in WI, IL or most other upper midwest states, so I assume not many here have used such an app? The idea is pretty cool, but it seems about 6 months late IMO....

CT just turned it on within the last two weeks even though it was available for quite some time.  They cited privacy and some other negotiations on why it took so long.  Agree with your last sentence.  This would have been more helpful when we were having little fires.  Less so now that pervasive spread is out there. 
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on November 23, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
CT just turned it on within the last two weeks even though it was available for quite some time.  They cited privacy and some other negotiations on why it took so long.  Agree with your last sentence.  This would have been more helpful when we were having little fires.  Less so now that pervasive spread is out there.

Yup.

Many of the phone carriers/manufacturers made this available very quickly in early spring. State/federal government didn't make use. Such a joke.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 23, 2020, 05:36:16 PM
Yup.

Many of the phone carriers/manufacturers made this available very quickly in early spring. State/federal government didn't make use. Such a joke.

Would probably be as effective as contact tracing, tbh.  People dont want to have an app on their phone that sends data to the govt.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on November 23, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
Would probably be as effective as contact tracing, tbh.  People dont want to have an app on their phone that sends data to the govt.

1. Ya. Americans are incredibly selfish as a whole and if we had any sense of "greater good" or "love they neighbor" we'd be much better off.

2. So no one cared about the Patriot Act or any of the multitude of spying programs, but care about something that actually benefits society? Sad.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: forgetful on November 23, 2020, 08:40:38 PM
Would probably be as effective as contact tracing, tbh.  People dont want to have an app on their phone that sends data to the govt.

These same people give their information to "Trump.com" or "Biden.com," or farmers only.com, and a million other sites that track them daily.

Why not actually benefit society by using the contact tracing app, which collects less intrusive data.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 23, 2020, 09:21:18 PM
These same people give their information to "Trump.com" or "Biden.com," or farmers only.com, and a million other sites that track them daily.

Why not actually benefit society by using the contact tracing app, which collects less intrusive data.

People are dumb. 

And lonely. But not anymore at farmersonly.com
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 25, 2020, 09:46:03 AM
The Latest: Surge affecting Minnesota nursing home staffing

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-russia-d4a3fd891a92463e9de8219db007bf10

A current surge of COVID-19 cases throughout Minnesota is affecting staffing levels at many nursing homes and assisted-living facilities.

That’s forcing the state to send the National Guard to help out in some homes, while the administration is also asking state employees to consider volunteering in facilities with critical staff shortages.

The Star Tribune reports Wednesday that Minnesota Department of Health data shows 90% of the state’s nursing homes and 58% of assisted-living facilities have active outbreaks.

Minnesota Health Commissioner Jan Malcolm said Tuesday that 47 long-term care facilities are in “a crisis staffing situation” and are receiving active support from the state, including help from federal health nurses.


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Active outbreaks at 90% of nursing homes and 58% of assisted living centers? Minnesota has been doing slightly better than its upper midwest neighbors with regard to general community spread (thanks to mask mandates and more widespread closures/limitations), but we have monumental problems in our facilities for the elderly and disabled.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: pacearrow02 on November 29, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
Yikes!!  Almost 9,000 cases today, 🙏🙏to our friends to the west.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 29, 2020, 09:53:33 PM
Yikes!!  Almost 9,000 cases today, 🙏🙏to our friends to the west.


These numbers are truly awful. Credit to state officials and healthcare providers for making testing widely available; now we need to public to do its part and follow the damn guidelines.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 30, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
Since WI residents have provided anecdotal information about the vaccine rollout there, I thought I would share some anecdotes from my part of MN (Rochester).

* My in-laws are in the 80+ group, and were proactively contacted by their docs (Mayo Clinic) to make appointments. They get their first doses on Tuesday, 2/2. My understanding is that Mayo will continue to contact local patients based age and other pre-existing conditions.

* My wife is in the school teacher group. The state has been gradually been filling slots by a lottery system, allowing all interested teachers to enter. My wife is waiting to be selected.

* I am not in direct patient care, nor a school teacher, nor in the over-65 crowd. And I have no pre-existing conditions. I expect to get my call from my Mayo docs in May or June.  :-\

In any event, it's good to know Mayo is proactively contacting existing patients based on age and health status.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 25, 2021, 10:10:18 PM
Minnesota is making anyone 16 and over eligible for the Covid vaccine beginning Tuesday:

https://m.startribune.com/all-minnesotans-16-and-older-will-be-eligible-for-covid-19-vaccine-starting-march-30/600038622/?fbclid=IwAR1nn40lvfHnYddnepB7jhtt_REooRLAgKJ9R3tGc7djdDPI1H44YqX44Fg

But from the article it sounds like they have some supply issues so everyone who wants to get vaccinated may not be able to do so right away.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jay Bee on January 12, 2022, 02:30:04 PM
Damn it. Vaccine mandate coming for Minneapolis & St. Paul. This just days after a new mask mandate in Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 12, 2022, 04:27:35 PM
Damn it. Vaccine mandate coming for Minneapolis & St. Paul. This just days after a new mask mandate in Minneapolis.

So get a shot.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jay Bee on January 12, 2022, 05:05:52 PM
So get a shot.

Who says I haven’t? Some of us are principled.

I can flash a pic of my vax card on my phone & get in, but shouldn’t have to.

More importantly, I find it sick that the government is controlling private businesses and blacklisting those who are not vaccinated
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 12, 2022, 05:46:52 PM
Who says I haven’t? Some of us are principled.

I can flash a pic of my vax card on my phone & get in, but shouldn’t have to.

More importantly, I find it sick that the government is controlling private businesses and blacklisting those who are not vaccinated
#doesntunderstandthepurposeofgovernment
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 12, 2022, 11:37:43 PM
#doesntunderstandthepurposeofgovernment

I hope you agree with a smoking ban in all public places.  That’s more of a selfish behavior around others than not taking an experimental vaccine that has life-altering side effects that are underreported.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on January 12, 2022, 11:58:09 PM
I hope you agree with a smoking ban in all public places.  That’s more of a selfish behavior around others than not taking an experimental vaccine that has life-altering side effects that are underreported.

rocket brain's little brother?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 06:04:31 AM
I hope you agree with a smoking ban in all public places.  That’s more of a selfish behavior around others than not taking an experimental vaccine that has life-altering side effects that are underreported.

Literally not true.

The vaccines have full FDA approval, and any 'life-altering side effects' are not underreported.

You should probably explain what you mean, and link us some relevant sources.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 13, 2022, 06:07:06 AM
I hope you agree with a smoking ban in all public places.  That’s more of a selfish behavior around others than not taking an experimental vaccine that has life-altering side effects that are underreported.

Life altering side effects such as?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 06:11:29 AM
Who says I haven’t? Some of us are principled.

I can flash a pic of my vax card on my phone & get in, but shouldn’t have to.

More importantly, I find it sick that the government is controlling private businesses and blacklisting those who are not vaccinated

If you're vaccinated then you're just feigning outrage on someone else's behalf.

If you're not then tough titties.  There is a cost to participating in society, and if you're not willing to pay that cost, you can remain home. 

Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 07:47:52 AM
Literally not true.

The vaccines have full FDA approval, and any 'life-altering side effects' are not underreported.

You should probably explain what you mean, and link us some relevant sources.

Unfortunately it’s too early in this particular situation but historically speaking it’s clear that VAERS adverse events are underreported:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/up-to-95-serious-adversedrug-events-go-unreported/amp/
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2022, 07:48:54 AM
Unfortunately it’s too early in this particular situation but historically speaking it’s clear that VAERS adverse events are underreported:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/up-to-95-serious-adversedrug-events-go-unreported/amp/

Lol
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 07:56:19 AM
Unfortunately it’s too early in this particular situation but historically speaking it’s clear that VAERS adverse events are underreported:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/up-to-95-serious-adversedrug-events-go-unreported/amp/



LOL.  The Rio Times....quoting Ron Johnson.  Great source you got there. 

Anyway, no it isn't clear at all.  And just because deaths are reported to VAERS per the CDC's requirement, that doesn't mean that vaccine CAUSED the death. 

Don't be an anti-science nutjob.  The vaccine is safe.  The chances of long term health affects from not getting the vaccine are much higher than from getting one.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 07:57:53 AM


LOL.  The Rio Times....quoting Ron Johnson.  Great source you got there. 

Anyway, no it isn't clear at all.  And just because deaths are reported to VAERS per the CDC's requirement, that doesn't mean that vaccine CAUSED the death. 

Don't be an anti-science nutjob.  The vaccine is safe.  The chances of long term health affects from not getting the vaccine are much higher than from getting one.

It’s not for children and some young adult categories could go either way.  I grant that if you’re old and/or obese it’s definitely in your favor to get the vax but it isn’t one size fits all, sorry.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 08:00:45 AM
It’s not for children and some young adult categories could go either way.  I grant that if you’re old and/or obese it’s definitely in your favor to get the vax but it isn’t one size fits all, sorry.

Nope. You have been wrong on this from the beginning and you continue to be.  Sorry.

But I guess this is what you get when you get your news from the Rio Times.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: 🏀 on January 13, 2022, 08:09:12 AM

But I guess this is what you get when you get your news from the Rio Times.

He doesn't actually get his news from the Rio Times, but that was the first link available when he smashed his forehead against his keyword looking for validation of his misinformation.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 09:10:56 AM
Nope. You have been wrong on this from the beginning and you continue to be.  Sorry.

But I guess this is what you get when you get your news from the Rio Times.

Why don’t you tell me what’s categorically incorrect with this paper, arguing some of the same points I am:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 09:25:22 AM
Why don’t you tell me what’s categorically incorrect with this paper, arguing some of the same points I am:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X


It's from August and is projecting data based on modelling as far as I can tell.  It was approved for pediatric use and plenty of studies say it is safe.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 13, 2022, 09:28:25 AM
Let's see here. We're gonna mandate a vaccine, which doesn't work against Omicron and Fr. Fauci pontificates those vaxed can still receive and transmit da virus.
Take your phobias and emotions out of the equation. Does mandating this vaccine make any logical sense? Particularly when past covid antibodies from having had the virus are not even factored in. To say nothing of unknown long term effects of having been vaxed. And, don't listen to FD Joe. He agrees with fookin' himself, hey?

#anti-mandate
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
Let's see here. We're gonna mandate a vaccine, which doesn't work against Omicron and Fr. Fauci pontificates those vaxed can still receive and transmit da virus.
Take your phobias and emotions out of the equation. Does mandating this vaccine make any logical sense? Particularly when past covid antibodies from having had the virus are not even factored in. To say nothing of unknown long term effects of having been vaxed. And, don't listen to FD Joe. He agrees with fookin' himself, hey?

#anti-mandate


We're "gonna mandate a vaccine?"  Since when?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 09:50:28 AM
I hope you agree with a smoking ban in all public places.  That’s more of a selfish behavior around others than not taking an experimental vaccine that has life-altering side effects that are underreported.
The main one being protecting you from death.

Please proceed.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 09:54:19 AM

We're "gonna mandate a vaccine?"  Since when?

Should have 6 months ago.

As for 4elders comment, does he know that the NEXT variant isn't inhibited by the vaccine?  No, of course not.  He just likes to bloviate about mandates and personal choice.  He and the rest of the hogs still have their choices, and they have consistently decided that their irrational fears and beliefs supercede those of society.  As a result, they're being ostracized from the society they can't be bothered to care about.

It's the biggest self own I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2022, 09:58:56 AM
9 months ago.  Agree with the rest.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 10:07:26 AM

We're "gonna mandate a vaccine?"  Since when?

Workplaces mandating a vaccine is pretty broad reaching so don’t act dumb on this statement.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 10:08:29 AM
The main one being protecting you from death.

Please proceed.

That’s not the main side effect for young healthy individuals.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 13, 2022, 10:11:27 AM
Schools are mandating the vaccine, which of course, is the gold standard of stupidity, hey?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 10:27:18 AM
Workplaces mandating a vaccine is pretty broad reaching so don’t act dumb on this statement.


He said "we're gonna mandate a vaccine."  Workplaces aren't "we" unless he is talking about his specific workplace.

A workplace can mandate a vaccine if it wants.  It may also choose not to do so, but place limitations on those who aren't vaccinated.  Perfectly acceptable in my eyes.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: MUBurrow on January 13, 2022, 10:38:31 AM
We are fighting about whether or not to mandate vaccines everywhere because we have deemed it too inhumane to discuss mandating vaccination for hospital admission.  I'm not advocating either way, but if we mandated vaccination to be admitted to the hospital, we wouldn't need to debate whether to mandate it anywhere else.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 10:52:29 AM
Schools are mandating the vaccine, which of course, is the gold standard of stupidity, hey?

Just like they mandate other vaccines.  There is always the option of keeping your kid home or sending them to private school.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 10:59:25 AM
Just like they mandate other vaccines.  There is always the option of keeping your kid home or sending them to private school.

Unlike COVID most of those required vaccines are equal or more critical illnesses to children than adults.  Pretty important difference.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on January 13, 2022, 10:59:40 AM
Let's see here. We're gonna mandate a vaccine, which doesn't work against Omicron and Fr. Fauci pontificates those vaxed can still receive and transmit da virus.
Take your phobias and emotions out of the equation. Does mandating this vaccine make any logical sense? Particularly when past covid antibodies from having had the virus are not even factored in. To say nothing of unknown long term effects of having been vaxed. And, don't listen to FD Joe. He agrees with fookin' himself, hey?

#anti-mandate

"Medical professional"
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
Unlike COVID most of those required vaccines are equal or more critical illnesses to children than adults.  Pretty important difference.

Not really, since the Covid vaccine isn't at all dangerous.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 13, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
You've never heard of myocarditis, blood clots, etc. PM jes man 'cuz he's one of the board go to authorities on all things covid. He's a PA, ya know, hey?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 11:33:06 AM
Not really, since the Covid vaccine isn't at all dangerous.

The initial vaccine by itself may not, uncertain at this time but there’s this concern that was recently brought out by the EU:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 12:22:36 PM
You've never heard of myocarditis, blood clots, etc. PM jes man 'cuz he's one if the board go to authorities on all things covid. He's a PA, ya know, hey?

I have heard.  I've also heard that myocarditis is a side effect of covid. 

You worry too much.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 13, 2022, 12:25:26 PM
The initial vaccine by itself may not, uncertain at this time but there’s this concern that was recently brought out by the EU:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

Quote
Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said. 

We don't boost every 4 months in the US, and "could eventually" is an important part of this quote.  But enjoy your fear porn, I guess!
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 12:51:37 PM
"Medical professional"
Actually, "anti-vaxxer, pro drinking your own urine healthcare professional"
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on January 13, 2022, 01:22:04 PM
You've never heard of myocarditis, blood clots, etc. PM jes man 'cuz he's one if the board go to authorities on all things covid. He's a PA, ya know, hey?

Aww. Did you get your fee fees hurt?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 01:41:03 PM
Actually, "anti-vaxxer, pro drinking your own urine healthcare professional"

The fact that you’re actually bringing up drinking your own urine as something you think these anti-mandate ‘conspiracy theorists’ buy into shows how you’ve been played.  Christopher Key is on his own if he actually believes this will be common among those rightfully skeptical of the vaccine.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 02:54:41 PM
Please try to keep up
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 13, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Unfortunately it’s too early in this particular situation but historically speaking it’s clear that VAERS adverse events are underreported:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/up-to-95-serious-adversedrug-events-go-unreported/amp/

Everyone in this thread is now dumber thanks to you linking this article. May God have mercy on your soul.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 13, 2022, 07:19:07 PM
We are fighting about whether or not to mandate vaccines everywhere because we have deemed it too inhumane to discuss mandating vaccination for hospital admission.  I'm not advocating either way, but if we mandated vaccination to be admitted to the hospital, we wouldn't need to debate whether to mandate it anywhere else.


Yaaaaaaaa. That's a little extreme there.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 13, 2022, 07:22:07 PM
The initial vaccine by itself may not, uncertain at this time but there’s this concern that was recently brought out by the EU:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

So you've gone from 1,000,000 covid vaccine related deaths in the US, to the initial vaccine is a okay, but boosters every 4 months "may" weaken immune system? Gotcha.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 13, 2022, 11:27:47 PM
So you've gone from 1,000,000 covid vaccine related deaths in the US, to the initial vaccine is a okay, but boosters every 4 months "may" weaken immune system? Gotcha.

Where did I say a million vaccine deaths?  We’re past a million adverse event reports on VAERS which are undercounted but most aren’t deaths.  The fact that the EU is starting to worry about this tells me that things are kind of shifting for the previously one sided health organizations and media drivel.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2022, 12:27:53 AM
Where did I say a million vaccine deaths?  We’re past a million adverse event reports on VAERS which are undercounted but most aren’t deaths.  The fact that the EU is starting to worry about this tells me that things are kind of shifting for the previously one sided health organizations and media drivel.

Hey man, anti-vax OGs were citing VAERS March April 2021.  Your talking points are dated.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60399.msg1341665#msg1341665
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 14, 2022, 08:13:37 PM
Hey man, anti-vax OGs were citing VAERS March April 2021.  Your talking points are dated.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60399.msg1341665#msg1341665

Well it’s grown since then and more young people have taken the vax/boosters which is the more at-risk group for myo/pericarditis.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on January 14, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
Well it’s grown since then and more young people have taken the vax/boosters which is the more at-risk group for myo/pericarditis.

Risk is higher for myocarditis from covid than the vax
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 14, 2022, 10:41:31 PM
Well it’s grown since then and more young people have taken the vax/boosters which is the more at-risk group for myo/pericarditis.

Ah, you been banned from Twitter, too?
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: statnik on January 15, 2022, 09:10:33 AM
Risk is higher for myocarditis from covid than the vax

Not when VAERS is consistently under-reported.  With that being the case we truly don’t know, unless you can prove that VAERS adverse events are correctly or being over-reported.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on January 15, 2022, 09:34:00 AM
Not when VAERS is consistently under-reported.  With that being the case we truly don’t know, unless you can prove that VAERS adverse events are correctly or being over-reported.

Wrong.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 15, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
Not when VAERS is consistently under-reported.  With that being the case we truly don’t know, unless you can prove that VAERS adverse events are correctly or being over-reported.

I just reported your posts giving me cancer to VAERS.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 15, 2022, 10:04:49 AM
I'm continually astonished .. and depressed .. by posters who are constantly, boldly, wrong.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 15, 2022, 04:02:33 PM
I'm continually astonished .. and depressed .. by posters who are constantly, boldly, wrong.

Jockey wears us all out.
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 24, 2022, 12:47:51 PM
Not when VAERS is consistently under-reported.  With that being the case we truly don’t know, unless you can prove that VAERS adverse events are correctly or being over-reported.

The Shady Site That Shows Anti-Vaxxers Will Believe Anything
https://news.yahoo.com/shady-shows-anti-vaxxers-believe-015915086.html

"Last month, a British man launched a site allowing visitors to type in COVID-19 vaccine lot numbers, the codes that identify batches of the safe and effective shots, and call up the number of alleged deaths and injuries associated with them.

These figures are drawn from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The safety monitoring database, operated jointly by the CDC and FDA, encourages people to submit reports of anything negative that happened after they or someone they know received a vaccine, so experts can scrutinize their accounts and potentially identify rare or unexpected risks. Many of these reports are unverified, but of the cases that do get investigated, the vast majority turn out to be unrelated to vaccines; those that are related are usually minor reactions.

At times, Paardekooper adopts a cautious scientific voice, stressing that there are many possible explanations for these observations. But instead of exercising actual scientific caution himself, Paardekooper runs through what Paul V. Williams, an immunologist who reviewed his claims, characterized as “likely faulty data analysis” supplemented by “wild conjecture and conspiracy theories” to present a series of increasingly batcrap arguments as the only logical conclusions.

Misinformation experts believe that these arguments could also be compelling to many people who nurse doubts about vaccines but haven’t gone full anti-vaxxer yet. After all, it’s easier to sell someone on the claim that only a portion of the shots—that in truth have saved millions of lives and only cause notable adverse reactions in exceedingly rare cases—are dangerously toxic than it is to argue that they are uniformly malignant. And the embrace of this “bad batch” theory could hamper vaccination efforts and fuel general mistrust in governments and health-care systems—all as experts and institutions struggle to contain the spread of the highly infectious Omicron variant."
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
The Shady Site That Shows Anti-Vaxxers Will Believe Anything
https://news.yahoo.com/shady-shows-anti-vaxxers-believe-015915086.html

"Last month, a British man launched a site allowing visitors to type in COVID-19 vaccine lot numbers, the codes that identify batches of the safe and effective shots, and call up the number of alleged deaths and injuries associated with them.

These figures are drawn from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The safety monitoring database, operated jointly by the CDC and FDA, encourages people to submit reports of anything negative that happened after they or someone they know received a vaccine, so experts can scrutinize their accounts and potentially identify rare or unexpected risks. Many of these reports are unverified, but of the cases that do get investigated, the vast majority turn out to be unrelated to vaccines; those that are related are usually minor reactions.

At times, Paardekooper adopts a cautious scientific voice, stressing that there are many possible explanations for these observations. But instead of exercising actual scientific caution himself, Paardekooper runs through what Paul V. Williams, an immunologist who reviewed his claims, characterized as “likely faulty data analysis” supplemented by “wild conjecture and conspiracy theories” to present a series of increasingly batcrap arguments as the only logical conclusions.

Misinformation experts believe that these arguments could also be compelling to many people who nurse doubts about vaccines but haven’t gone full anti-vaxxer yet. After all, it’s easier to sell someone on the claim that only a portion of the shots—that in truth have saved millions of lives and only cause notable adverse reactions in exceedingly rare cases—are dangerously toxic than it is to argue that they are uniformly malignant. And the embrace of this “bad batch” theory could hamper vaccination efforts and fuel general mistrust in governments and health-care systems—all as experts and institutions struggle to contain the spread of the highly infectious Omicron variant."

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Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 24, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
I just looked up my lot #s.  45 died "from" the first batch, 19 "from" the second, but only 1 "from" the 3rd.  Clearly, those that it hasn't killed off are becoming invincible!
Title: Re: Minnesota
Post by: Jockey on January 24, 2022, 07:39:33 PM
Jockey wears us all out.

You just keep standing with 4ever & rocket brain. You're really impressing people.