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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 11, 2020, 10:55:15 AM
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I think at this point its worth discussing in its own thread.
I would (selfishly) hope they'd just play without fans, but I have to imagine completely cancelling the tournament is at least on the table at this point.
What a damn shame that would be.
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I can't imagine it'll get cancelled. Maybe without fans.
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Was listening to Norlander and Parrish's podcast today, and they made a good point how tons of money would be lost to local venues, but NCAA will still get their Turner/TV paycheck.
So my guess is a minimal percent to cancel the whole thing, but maybe 25% chance there won't be fans.
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I can't imagine it'll get cancelled. Maybe without fans.
I thought that too because of the huge cash involved. Then big money events like Indian Wells, SXSW and Coachella all got canceled or postponed when they could simply have shown them on TV and/or online. So now I wonder....
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This whole thing is beyond ridiculous. That's my opinion, others have different opinions and I respect that, but c'mon...are we all supposed to just live in bubbles?? Cancelling the NCAA tournament would be the absolute worst decision ever. Someone explain to the players, especially seniors who work so hard all year long for the opportunity and for it to get canceled?? That would be total BS. Even playing without fans would be a joke, but if that's what they gotta do..I guess. People are treating this like it's the bubonic plague. Thank the media for that.
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This whole thing is beyond ridiculous. That's my opinion, others have different opinions and I respect that, but c'mon...are we all supposed to just live in bubbles?? Cancelling the NCAA tournament would be the absolute worst decision ever. Someone explain to the players, especially seniors who work so hard all year long for the opportunity and for it to get canceled?? That would be total BS. Even playing without fans would be a joke, but if that's what they gotta do..I guess. People are treating this like it's the bubonic plague. Thank the media for that.
Cant believe I agree with guru on this one. People are blowing this COVID thing way out of proportion.
If you're worried about getting sick, don't go out in public. If you are sick, don't go out in public. Simple as that.
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Cant believe I agree with guru on this one. People are blowing this COVID thing way out of proportion.
If you're worried about getting sick, don't go out in public. If you are sick, don't go out in public. Simple as that.
It really isn’t that simple. Not saying that the tournament should be cancelled by any means, but exactly how is someone supposed to simply not go out in public? Do they work? Shop? What about their family members? Kids in school?
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This whole thing is beyond ridiculous. That's my opinion, others have different opinions and I respect that, but c'mon...are we all supposed to just live in bubbles?? Cancelling the NCAA tournament would be the absolute worst decision ever. Someone explain to the players, especially seniors who work so hard all year long for the opportunity and for it to get canceled?? That would be total BS. Even playing without fans would be a joke, but if that's what they gotta do..I guess. People are treating this like it's the bubonic plague. Thank the media statistics for that.
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Cant believe I agree with guru on this one. People are blowing this COVID thing way out of proportion.
If you're worried about getting sick, don't go out in public. If you are sick, don't go out in public. Simple as that.
Afreakingmen...
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It really isn’t that simple. Not saying that the tournament should be cancelled by any means, but exactly how is someone supposed to simply not go out in public? Do they work? Shop? What about their family members? Kids in school?
In this case, if you're worried about getting sick, don't attend the NCAA tournament. If you already have tickets, sell them to someone else. Stay home and watch it on TV. I'm sure there are plenty of people that still want to go to the games and are willing to take the "risk". I'm so sick of this notion that we aren't smart enough to take care of ourselves.
If you want to live in a bubble, go live in a bubble. But don't make me live in a bubble if I'm healthy.
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This Fall, I bought 4 tickets to the Finals for myself and my three boys. First ever. I would rather them cancel (or play in front of no fans) than have to make a decision.
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This is absolute insanity!! Shall we get into all the things that more people die from every day and every year in the US!!! My god this is 100% on the media hyping this like NEVER before!!!
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Slightly off topic.
Connecticut group in charge of high school athletics cancelled all Winter Sports state finals. Hockey, basketball, etc.
There are people are preparing to file a lawsuit to play the games with no one in attendance.
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This Fall, I bought 4 tickets to the Finals for myself and my three boys. First ever. I would rather them cancel (or play in front of no fans) than have to make a decision.
Sell your tickets then? If you don't want to make the decision, that would be the best thing to do IMO.
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They’ve had to basically shut down a developed, wealthy country because of it and we probably aren’t that far behind where they are.
I’d go to a game at Fiserv no problem (going to a concert there tonight and a Bucks game there next Monday). But to pretend it’s just some run of the mill virus like any flu or cold is just as ridiculous as canceling the tournament, maybe even more ridiculous.
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My god this is 100% on the media hyping this like NEVER before!!!
Didn't know that the media isolated the whole country of Italy and caused 120,000 cases or 4,400 deaths...to date.
Regardless, as the number of tests available has been an issue the number of cases will skyrocket once the available tests increase. I would be surprised if the tournament is played with fans come this time next week. Schools and or states may make the decision for the NCAA that they will not permit the events to go on with fans.
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was the swine flu in 2009/10 viewed as more deadly? I don't recall a lot of events cancelled.
I read an estimated 12,000 people died in the US from the swine flu. An estimated 250,000-500,000 worldwide died.
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Cant believe I agree with guru on this one. People are blowing this COVID thing way out of proportion.
If you're worried about getting sick, don't go out in public. If you are sick, don't go out in public. Simple as that.
You realize you can have the virus for a while without showing symptoms or feeling sick and spread it that way, right?
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This is just incredible...I've had sleepless nights and think about/worry about things like how the hell MU is going to beat Seton Hall tomorrow night, and you all are worried about some virus going around...I feel like we are all going to be the "walking dead" soon the way this has been treated. ::)
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Cant believe I agree with guru on this one. People are blowing this COVID thing way out of proportion.
If you're worried about getting sick, don't go out in public. If you are sick, don't go out in public. Simple as that.
Wtf is wrong with people.
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This is just incredible...I've had sleepless nights and think about/worry about things like how the hell MU is going to beat Seton Hall tomorrow night, and you all are worried about some virus going around...I feel like we are all going to be the "walking dead" soon the way this has been treated. ::)
I'll buy you a one-way ticket to Italy...
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This whole thing is beyond ridiculous. That's my opinion, others have different opinions and I respect that, but c'mon...are we all supposed to just live in bubbles?? Cancelling the NCAA tournament would be the absolute worst decision ever. Someone explain to the players, especially seniors who work so hard all year long for the opportunity and for it to get canceled?? That would be total BS. Even playing without fans would be a joke, but if that's what they gotta do..I guess. People are treating this like it's the bubonic plague. Thank the media for that.
Solid, hey?
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Wtf is wrong with people.
They're dumb.
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Cant believe I agree with guru on this one. People are blowing this COVID thing way out of proportion.
If you're worried about getting sick, don't go out in public. If you are sick, don't go out in public. Simple as that.
Hy price ta pay ta finally convince peeps ta wash der hands, aina?
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Universities are cancelling travel for faculty and staff. They are directing students to stay off campus, because it is not safe to travel back from Spring Break. But, hey, revenue, let the athletes be at risk...don't want to risk profiting.
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It’s not a lot of people, but most refs would be close to the at-risk age. I wonder if they broadcast from a remote studio. There’s more people at a stadium than just the players and coaches.
I hope we get the NCAA tourney in some fashion, but I’m getting ready to hear it’s cancelled.
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In this case, if you're worried about getting sick, don't attend the NCAA tournament. If you already have tickets, sell them to someone else. Stay home and watch it on TV. I'm sure there are plenty of people that still want to go to the games and are willing to take the "risk". I'm so sick of this notion that we aren't smart enough to take care of ourselves.
If you want to live in a bubble, go live in a bubble. But don't make me live in a bubble if I'm healthy.
<sigh> That's not the point either. I don't care about getting sick. I care about inadvertantly getting someone else sick.
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<sigh>That's not the point either. I don't care about getting sick. I care about inadvertantly getting someone else sick.
Thank you. One of the things my Marquette education taught me was that it's not always all about me. My teenage self was convinced otherwise.
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CBI cancelled.
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
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https://twitter.com/danaoneilwriter/status/1237804741691916289?s=21
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
Well, a number of healthcare organizations (including the American College of Physicians) have cancelled their own meetings, so I suspect someone with a healthcare background has been consulted...
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/tech/himss-cancels-2020-global-health-conference-due-to-coronavirus
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I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
I suspect one reason they're not is that extensive measures are being deployed by cities to prevent the spread of the virus. You know, like curtailing entertainment events.
By the way, the more exclamation points you use, the stronger your argument, so well done.
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CBI cancelled.
Poor DePaul...no postseason tournament for them now. CBI=AKA the DePaul Invitational
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
This is a joke right?
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This is absolute insanity!! Shall we get into all the things that more people die from every day and every year in the US!!! My god this is 100% on the media hyping this like NEVER before!!!
It is not the media. The countries that have been hit hard (China and Italy) are not worried about what the media is saying. The WHO, CDC and state health departments are taking this very seriously and you should too, at least for now. None of their actions or reactions are media driven. Hopefully this all passes with a whimper but preparing for it is the smart thing to do. Panicking and blaming the media are not.
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
Yes, I am one and my wife works in a lab and with the state lab. This is serious. People in here are not taking this seriously enough. The point of limiting contact now before a massive outbreak is so that we don't become Italy. Someone yesterday said "I'll be worried when the doctors are worried." I'm confident that person is not working with or communicating with infectious disease doctors.
Where do you all think this is coming from? Did Wolf Blitzer force Italy to quarantine so he'd have something to talk about? Did Rachel Maddow kill 3.8% of the infected population for ratings?
This virus is essentially operating on a bell curve, and the more contact and viral communication is limited, the smaller the peak of the bell will be and the quicker we get past it. The more we encourage communication of the virus, the more we risk becoming Italy, except in a far more massive landscape and 300+ million people.
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Well, a number of healthcare organizations (including the American College of Physicians) have cancelled their own meetings, so I suspect someone with a healthcare background has been consulted...
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/tech/himss-cancels-2020-global-health-conference-due-to-coronavirus
A lot of staff who sit on the boards of these organizations work for academic institutions who have banned travel. This has a lot more to do with cancellations than the virus itself.
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
The head of the NIH said it was going to get a lot worse. He's not freaking out or panicked, but believes that NBA games should be played in front of empty arenas.
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The head of the NIH said it was going to get a lot worse. He's not freaking out or panicked, but believes that NBA games should be played in front of empty arenas.
Yes, the hysteria bell curve will dwarf the actual trajectory of the virus. Buckle up and be cool.
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The head of the NIH said it was going to get a lot worse. He's not freaking out or panicked, but believes that NBA games should be played in front of empty arenas.
This is exactly right. I'm not saying anyone should panic, but it is serious and it's wise to take precautions. Hand-washing, avoiding large public gatherings, and being especially careful regarding older populations.
I'm not overly worried because my wife and I are generally healthy and this hasn't had an outsized impact on children, who are often a high risk population, but Italy didn't essentially shut down the country for fun. This is real.
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CBI cancelled.
I could see the NIT being canceled pretty soon as well
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They're dumb.
No, people just unnatural carnal knowledgeing freak out about the dumbest crap sometimes, for real..The media gets a hold of something and plays on people's fears, and now we have what we have.
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No, people just unnatural carnal knowledgeing freak out about the dumbest crap sometimes, for real..The media gets a hold of something and plays on people's fears, and now we have what we have.
This is false. Italy didn't shut their country down because of dumb crap.
Putting 20,000 people from different parts of the country into 9 enclosed venues over the course of 6 days to share exposure before returning them to their communities, now that would be dumb crap.
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This is false. Italy didn't shut their country down because of dumb crap.
Putting 20,000 people from different parts of the country into 9 enclosed venues over the course of 6 days to share exposure before returning them to their communities, now that would be dumb crap.
Yup. That’s a combined 180,000 people or so plus all the workers, etc. at the venues and providers at hotels/restaurants/etc. Play in empty venues.
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This is false. Italy didn't shut their country down because of dumb crap.
Putting 20,000 people from different parts of the country into 9 enclosed venues over the course of 6 days to share exposure before returning them to their communities, now that would be dumb crap.
Brew - what do you think the chances are the tournament is outright cancelled, versus just no fans?
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No, people just unnatural carnal knowledgeing freak out about the dumbest crap sometimes, for real..The media gets a hold of something and plays on people's fears, and now we have what we have.
No, people are dumb. Being concerned and careful about something that leading healthcare organizations are concerned about is not freaking out.
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Dayton and Cleveland sites will officially be played with no fans, per Ohio Governor Mike DeWine.
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No, people just unnatural carnal knowledgeing freak out about the dumbest crap sometimes, for real..The media gets a hold of something and plays on people's fears, and now we have what we have.
True, the media is loving this prolonged news cycle, but precautions should still be taken. Frankly, it's actually somewhat comforting to observe the response as it conveys the value that our society places on human well-being/life.
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Dayton and Cleveland sites will officially be played with no fans, per Ohio Governor Mike DeWine.
If no one sees it, did MU's play-in game loss really happen?
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The debate over who would have really won the 2020 NCAA tournament will live on forever
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
You’re not hereing from the right professionals
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Tournament will be played. Some (most?) with no fans. Don't expect fans Saturday night at MSG either.
That's just my guess, but some of you are kind of shockingly clueless. Read the writing on the wall.
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Dayton and Cleveland sites will officially be played with no fans, per Ohio Governor Mike DeWine.
If this is indeed the case, I suspect - at the very least - Albany, Spokane and Sacramento will end up with similar directives.
NCAA tournament will happen, but there are going to be a lot of empty arenas.
Good news is that if MU has to play Gonzaga, at least this will wipe out their home-court advantage.
Ergo, in answer to the question, 10-20% chance the tournament is cancelled, 100% the tournament will be played with no fans at some sites, 80-90% chance the tournament will be played with no fans at all through the regional round. 50% chance the Final Four is played in front of some fans.
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Tournament will be played. Some (most?) with no fans. Don't expect fans Saturday night at MSG either.
That's just my guess, but some of you are kind of shockingly clueless. Read the writing on the wall.
BET goes on...
http://www.bigeast.com/news/2020/3/9/mens-basketball-statement-regarding-big-east-tournament-at-madison-square-garden.aspx
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I don't think there's any way the tournament is cancelled unless this takes a significantly worse turn fast. They can eat the ticket revenue, but not the loss of the television contract.
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BET could cancel
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2020/03/march-madness-2020-big-east-considering-playing-without-fans-or-canceling-tournament-in-fluid-situation.html
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The comparison to the seasonal flu using absolute numbers is way too simplistic. It really comes down to two variables: mortality rate times number of people infected. In light of the lack of effective treatments at this point (unlike the seasonal flu), they cannot control the mortality rate. As of last week, the mortality rate (deaths divided by known infection) was 3.4%. Many people rightly argue that this morbidity rate is inflated, as the death figure is accurate while the infection rate is underreported. However, there is a counterargument that is often ignored. This mortality rate is effective when discussing a seasoned illness, but it is less effective when evaluating a relatively new virus. Why? Because the number of infected cases includes a significant number of people that are still a "work in process." A more accurate assessment compares the number of deaths to the number of individuals who have "exited" the virus, either via death or a healthy diagnosis. This rate is well above 5%. This compares to a seasonal flu death rate of 0.1% last year.
If you can't control the mortality rate at this point (and it is considerably higher than the seasonal flu), there is only one variable that you can influence: the infection rate. Are we going to stop the spread of the disease? No. It will be in every major city by the time we all return from Easter break. But we are able to slow the spread of the disease. The simplest way to slow the spread of the disease is by taking the normal steps that everyone talks about: wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay home from work if you are sick. But there clearly are other ways to slow the progression. One of those ways is to limit situations where people are traveling throughout the country to congregate in one common place, potentially returning to their communities with the virus. Is the cancellation of a basketball tournament (or simply fans at a basketball tournament) overkill? Possibly. But this example shows how quickly things can turn.
I had the decision to attend one of two conferences last week. I was very lucky in my choice. If I had attended the other conference, I know exactly which management teams I would have met with. For one of those management teams, one of the three individuals in attendance now has a confirmed case of COVID-19. Last week, people still weren't taking the virus seriously. At the conference I did attend, there were a couple people not shaking hands, but most of us were shrugging it off. I would have shaken hands with the infected individual in my small group meeting. Fast forward to the weekend. I was back home, coaching my son's basketball team, standing in the high five line after the game. Since the Archdiocese of Milwaukee (unlike Green Bay) has not removed the Sign of Peace, I was shaking hands with everyone around me, include my son with mild asthma and the elderly couple in front of me. To the point someone made about those impacted - yes, I would have probably been fine, though I did fall into the obese category (another risk factor less frequently discussed because the virus is new to the United States) in my wellness check. But I can't necessarily say the same thing about my son or the elderly couple in front of me. I can't imagine how guilty I would have felt if I was the one who brought it to my community, particularly the basketball team, my son or that elderly couple...or the kid at my son's school who is battling cancer. It's not about me or you, it's about the people around us and our parents. My dad is in his upper 70s with metastatic cancer - this virus is not his friend.
The idea here is to hit the pause button while we scramble to get enough testing kits (we are grossly undersupplied), work on a vaccine (which is further away than we think) and find a somewhat effective treatment. I really don't want to see the games cancelled (or fans not allowed), but let's not be so dismissive of the legitimate rationale for doing so.
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BET could cancel
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2020/03/march-madness-2020-big-east-considering-playing-without-fans-or-canceling-tournament-in-fluid-situation.html
I support BET with no fans. Would remove inherent home court advantage SH is almost certainly going to have.
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I support BET with no fans. Would remove inherent home court advantage SH is almost certainly going to have.
Only if James Breeding is infected...
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I support BET with no fans. Would remove inherent home court advantage SH is almost certainly going to have.
Yeah but in all honesty how many games are they going to win anyway?? One, maybe 2 over Creighton without Zegs??
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I work in a hospital with lots of doctors. None of them are “freaking out.” All of them are very concerned with the influx of patients, lack of supplies, etc.. It’s the major reason why everyone is trying to flatten the curve.
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BET goes on...
http://www.bigeast.com/news/2020/3/9/mens-basketball-statement-regarding-big-east-tournament-at-madison-square-garden.aspx
That's from yesterday. Stu Jackson has already made it clear today all options are on the table according to the article guru posted.
There's a "whole containment zone" on New Rochelle, which is about 15 miles from MSG. This thing is getting worse, not better.
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I work in a hospital with lots of doctors. None of them are “freaking out.” All of them are very concerned with the influx of patients, lack of supplies, etc.. It’s the major reason why everyone is trying to flatten the curve.
The only doctors freaking out are the ones going on cable news channels pushing an agenda....
The bigger concern is the drain of medical care supplies etc.
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
Yes. One of my best friends is a prominent physician/suregeon in a large city in Texas. He is worried as sh!t. All it takes a few contagious people to get into one of these large crowds, and BOOM. The hospitals do not have the capacity, and he has moved his family out to their ranch in the country for the next 60 days.
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Has anyone hear talked to actual everyday heath professionals??? I have talked to many, none are freaking out or panicked!!!!
Yes, and they are both worried about the lack of preparedness on an individual level, but also the lack of institutional preparedness to scale with the influx of cases. The head of the CDC said they aren't pursuing rapid 'drive-thru' tests because they want to allow people to work with their PCP. This is potentially a stress-test on that system like we haven't seen in a long time.
All sorts of contingencies that need to be worked out - what if we run out of beds, vent techs, etc. Do we close clinics/re-purpose them and their employees into primary, front-line care? What care is elective vs essential at this point of time? Who gets prioritization? How do we partition the physical facility to minimize the risk of spread? What happens to the supply chain of meds?
There are plenty more by people far smarter than me in my profession.
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Few morons on here putting national health after a basketball event. Canceling the whole thing is goofy but this thing may be serious and 100s of thousands of people flying around and forming close proximity mega crowds may just not be smart or worth it. Especially with spring break you worry these kids get crap and bring it back with em. Its the smart choice to take this seriously before it potentially gets outta hand. Im fine with no fans i guess although it sucks
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a recent tweet from Parrish:
BREAKING: The NCAA’s COVID-19 advisory panel is recommending against sporting events being open to the public. This suggests the NCAA Tournament will likely be played next week without fans.
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https://twitter.com/InsidetheNCAA/status/1237838677591511040
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It's official - closed to all but families and essential staff:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1237839499503124483
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Wow, I didn't think they'd actually do this.
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It's official - closed to all but families and essential staff:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1237839499503124483
Is Wojo allowed to go?
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Is Wojo allowed to go?
LOL - I laughed.
Honestly tho, this happened quickly. I kind of think its probably a coin flip it even happens.
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LOL - I laughed.
Honestly tho, this happened quickly. I kind of think its probably a coin flip it even happens.
I only get the easy laughs. IMO, there is no way they will cancel the tourney now, unless something drastic happens, like tens of thousands of reported cases.
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Without crowd noise, we should hear a lot of cussin’.
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"I'm told the NCAA tournament games will still be televised but the policy regarding media attendance is still being worked out. Fluid situation to say the least."
-Per Seth Davis
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Is Wojo allowed to go?
Hopefully knot, aina?
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It's ovah. No chance NCAA tournament happens. Probably no chance Marquette plays again this season.
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It's ovah. No chance NCAA tournament happens. Probably no chance Marquette plays again this season.
Palpable brutality. Sad for markus..
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Chances sure seem to be diminishing
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It's ovah. No chance NCAA tournament happens. Probably no chance Marquette plays again this season.
Stop it...you do NOT know this yet. To say it's a certainty is just foolish. Could it happen?? sure, but it hasn't yet, so knock it off.
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Stop it...you do NOT know this yet. To say it's a certainty is just foolish. Could it happen?? sure, but it hasn't yet, so knock it off.
You sound panicky.
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the fat lady is singing. the party is over say goodnight
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It's ovah. No chance NCAA tournament happens. Probably no chance Marquette plays again this season.
That escalated quickly.
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I predicted all colleges across the country would be closed by friday. That looks likely.
The nba has shut down. I'm guessing the ncaa tournament will be delayed until April.
I also am unsure if marquette plays tomorrow.
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Stop it...you do NOT know this yet. To say it's a certainty is just foolish. Could it happen?? sure, but it hasn't yet, so knock it off.
Quaking in your boots.
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Guru may have a stroke if the tourney is cancelled
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Stop it...you do NOT know this yet. To say it's a certainty is just foolish. Could it happen?? sure, but it hasn't yet, so knock it off.
Lol. Open your eyes, buddy.
I hope like hell I am wrong. But I am pretty confident ncaa basketball season will be suspended after tonight, and then likely cancelled within a week or two.
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Guru may have a stroke if the tourney is cancelled
I would if it gets cancelled. Put on hold until April or May, fine.
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I would if it gets cancelled. Put on hold until April or May, fine.
Can you even do that? These are unpaid kids. Many are seniors. Kids want to transfer. Seniors want to move on. I think you could maybe suspend a week or two, but after that, how realistic is it? These teams aren't going to stick together.
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Can you even do that? These are unpaid kids. Many are seniors. Kids want to transfer. Seniors want to move on. I think you could maybe suspend a week or two, but after that, how realistic is it? These teams aren't going to stick together.
Arenas might not even be available. Television might as well. I think logistically it can’t work.
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Can you even do that? These are unpaid kids. Many are seniors. Kids want to transfer. Seniors want to move on. I think you could maybe suspend a week or two, but after that, how realistic is it? These teams aren't going to stick together.
Bro, the semester doesn't end until May.
Maybe a few guys leave early for the nba, the rest won't happen before May.
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Arenas might not even be available. Television might as well. I think logistically it can’t work.
Im sure the ncaa could find 16 basketball courts in which to host the tournament.
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Bro, the semester doesn't end until May.
Maybe a few guys leave early for the nba, the rest won't happen before May.
I admire the hope man. If the NCAA tournament doesn't start next week, its not happening in 2020.
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Can you even do that? These are unpaid kids. Many are seniors. Kids want to transfer. Seniors want to move on. I think you could maybe suspend a week or two, but after that, how realistic is it? These teams aren't going to stick together.
No clue. This is someone we have not seen before.
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No clue. This is someone we have not seen before.
I think the obvious answer is no. Maybe the NCAA comes out and says they're suspending the tournament, but if things don't drastically improve within a week or two, not sure how long they can keep it hanging out there without resolution. Most likely things aren't going to be peachy keen in 15 days.
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Um...
https://twitter.com/Hassel_Chris/status/1237924740934836225?s=19
Please note the assistant with the hand sanitizer. Lol
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I think the obvious answer is no. Maybe the NCAA comes out and says they're suspending the tournament, but if things don't drastically improve within a week or two, not sure how long they can keep it hanging out there without resolution. Most likely things aren't going to be peachy keen in 15 days.
Agree it’s not getting better in a week or two. Mostly because we aren’t aggressively testing. If we start doing that it’s bound to be worse for a while.
If I were them I would wait a month and, if better, downsize the tourney to 32 or 16.
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Since everyone thinks I'm being over the top with this...Now THIS I 100% agree with. Why?? because someone(a player) tested positive for it. This makes all the sense . the world to do under those circumstances. That's why I'm a little perplexed by the decision to possibly cancel the tournament. If a player or Coach or someone associated with it has or does test positive, then 100% agree with the decision. But right now we are "well but what if". NO ONE that has already tested positive for Corona would be in any of the arenas, I can guarantee you that. It's being cautious, but it's also a lot of running scared right now, NO ONE can deny that.
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Bucks haven't played the Jazz since Nov 25, but Rudy Gobert played in the All-Star Game with Giannis Antetokounmpo & Khris Middleton less than a month ago. Not to mention the ripple effect of potential transmission by common opponents, etc. Hence why the NBA suspended operations.
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Dan Wetzel
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From the NCAA on if the NCAA Tourney is cancelled: “The NCAA has a business-interruption insurance policy and reserves that would partially cover losses.” Can assure no one in college athletics wants this cancelled.
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Since everyone thinks I'm being over the top with this...Now THIS I 100% agree with. Why?? because someone(a player) tested positive for it. This makes all the sense . the world to do under those circumstances. That's why I'm a little perplexed by the decision to possibly cancel the tournament. If a player or Coach or someone associated with it has or does test positive, then 100% agree with the decision. But right now we are "well but what if". NO ONE that has already tested positive for Corona would be in any of the arenas, I can guarantee you that. It's being cautious, but it's also a lot of running scared right now, NO ONE can deny that.
This will happen like, tomorrow. No need to wait. No reason to put kids in harm's way for this thing.
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Hoiberg to the hospital.
Seriously.
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How far does this go??? Nba mlb any concert delayed? Schools shut down. Full fledged quarintine in 72 hours?? Place your bets. Jesus the speed of this is just whacko
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Dan Wetzel
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From the NCAA on if the NCAA Tourney is cancelled: “The NCAA has a business-interruption insurance policy and reserves that would partially cover losses.” Can assure no one in college athletics wants this cancelled.
What about the student-athletes?
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Hoiberg to the hospital.
Seriously.
Yeah. It's gonna be called off. Hope I'm wrong.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
Feel free to educate yourself. This virus is no joke pay particular attention to the fact that breathing air of infected individuals is the primary source of transmission along with the anecdotal evidence from Italy that this is NOT primarily an old persons disease. I’ll suffer fools when it comes to basketball knowledge but not when it comes to public health. Ant-vaccers log off now!
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Hoiberg to the hospital.
Seriously.
I have a very simple solution for this IF he has corona virus...don't allow any B10 teams in the NCAA tournament since they would be the one's that could be exposed having played nebraska. problem solved. 8-)
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The comparison to the seasonal flu using absolute numbers is way too simplistic. It really comes down to two variables: mortality rate times number of people infected. In light of the lack of effective treatments at this point (unlike the seasonal flu), they cannot control the mortality rate. As of last week, the mortality rate (deaths divided by known infection) was 3.4%. Many people rightly argue that this morbidity rate is inflated, as the death figure is accurate while the infection rate is underreported. However, there is a counterargument that is often ignored. This mortality rate is effective when discussing a seasoned illness, but it is less effective when evaluating a relatively new virus. Why? Because the number of infected cases includes a significant number of people that are still a "work in process." A more accurate assessment compares the number of deaths to the number of individuals who have "exited" the virus, either via death or a healthy diagnosis. This rate is well above 5%. This compares to a seasonal flu death rate of 0.1% last year.
If you can't control the mortality rate at this point (and it is considerably higher than the seasonal flu), there is only one variable that you can influence: the infection rate. Are we going to stop the spread of the disease? No. It will be in every major city by the time we all return from Easter break. But we are able to slow the spread of the disease. The simplest way to slow the spread of the disease is by taking the normal steps that everyone talks about: wash your hands, don't touch your face and stay home from work if you are sick. But there clearly are other ways to slow the progression. One of those ways is to limit situations where people are traveling throughout the country to congregate in one common place, potentially returning to their communities with the virus. Is the cancellation of a basketball tournament (or simply fans at a basketball tournament) overkill? Possibly. But this example shows how quickly things can turn.
I had the decision to attend one of two conferences last week. I was very lucky in my choice. If I had attended the other conference, I know exactly which management teams I would have met with. For one of those management teams, one of the three individuals in attendance now has a confirmed case of COVID-19. Last week, people still weren't taking the virus seriously. At the conference I did attend, there were a couple people not shaking hands, but most of us were shrugging it off. I would have shaken hands with the infected individual in my small group meeting. Fast forward to the weekend. I was back home, coaching my son's basketball team, standing in the high five line after the game. Since the Archdiocese of Milwaukee (unlike Green Bay) has not removed the Sign of Peace, I was shaking hands with everyone around me, include my son with mild asthma and the elderly couple in front of me. To the point someone made about those impacted - yes, I would have probably been fine, though I did fall into the obese category (another risk factor less frequently discussed because the virus is new to the United States) in my wellness check. But I can't necessarily say the same thing about my son or the elderly couple in front of me. I can't imagine how guilty I would have felt if I was the one who brought it to my community, particularly the basketball team, my son or that elderly couple...or the kid at my son's school who is battling cancer. It's not about me or you, it's about the people around us and our parents. My dad is in his upper 70s with metastatic cancer - this virus is not his friend.
The idea here is to hit the pause button while we scramble to get enough testing kits (we are grossly undersupplied), work on a vaccine (which is further away than we think) and find a somewhat effective treatment. I really don't want to see the games cancelled (or fans not allowed), but let's not be so dismissive of the legitimate rationale for doing so.
Thank you for the long and well-thought out post.
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Hoiberg to the hospital.
Seriously.
Rob Dauster
@RobDauster
A source confirmed to
@NBCSports
that Fred Hoiberg has been taken to the hospital. There's concern that the Nebraska team is going to have to be quarantined.
Knowing the severity of what's going on, allowing him to coach tonight was incredibly reckless by everyone at Nebraska.
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All it's going to take is for one player, coach, trainer, etc. for a team to test positive. Then it will likely be cancelled or postponed. There's probably a good chance that won't happen until after the conference tournaments (well, maybe not the B10) so the BET should get done. Fingers crossed.
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Hoiberg to the hospital.
Seriously.
The jackass was confirmed to have been already sick prior to the start of the game. Then the tough decided to coach anyways. He could’ve just F’d it for everyone. Someone better be fired over this.
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There’s near zero chance the tournament ends up being played next week.
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The jackass was confirmed to have been already sick prior to the start of the game. Then the tough decided to coach anyways. He could’ve just F’d it for everyone. Someone better be fired over this.
Apparently already released from hospital. Does that mean he is negative for coronavirus? Did they even test him?
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Confirmed that Hoiberg does not have COVID-19. He has the flu.
We may get another day of games. I just want to see our guys play one more time, at this point.
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This is exactly right. I'm not saying anyone should panic, but it is serious and it's wise to take precautions. Hand-washing, avoiding large public gatherings, and being especially careful regarding older populations.
I'm not overly worried because my wife and I are generally healthy and this hasn't had an outsized impact on children, who are often a high risk population, but Italy didn't essentially shut down the country for fun. This is real.
This is the classic tale of the guy jumping off a ten stories building and as he passes the 7th floor remarking nothing to see here.
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The jackass was confirmed to have been already sick prior to the start of the game. Then the tough decided to coach anyways. He could%u2019ve just F%u2019d it for everyone. Someone better be fired over this.
Relax. He has the flu. Lots of people with any virus have extremely mild symptoms and don't rush to the doctor at the very first sign. Yes, everyone should be more cautious right now, but there's no need to call for any heads right now.
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We may have seen the last major b ball event with a crowd folks. Who knows when it will happen again
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There’s near zero chance the tournament ends up being played next week.
I agree, which is why I’m shocked these conference tournaments haven’t just sent everyone home. It seems they’re waiting for someone affiliated with a team or the media to test positive, and then they’re gong to swoop into action like the NBA. Why? People are going to test positive, only by then you’ll have games in progress, teams in the arena. Put the players’ health first and just pull the plug already so we don’t have more Hoiberg situations. The next Hoiberg isn’t going to test negative.
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One of the obvious challenges to all of this is that now, with the acute awareness of identifying and responding to any of the symptoms of Coronavirus infection (i.e., cough, fever, shortness of breath),it's hard to see how they will be able to move forward. Honestly, taking this current situation completely out of the picture, on any given March week in any prior year, what are the odds of having a team/staff of 25+ people where nobody is exhibiting any of those symptoms? Somebody is going to have something. If people are even remotely serious about self-isolating when showing any of those symptoms - which are quite common in mid-March even in "normal" years - I'd think most teams would have at least someone out. And if that's the case, wouldn't everyone have to think twice about the rest of the team soldiering on?
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I agree, which is why I’m shocked these conference tournaments haven’t just sent everyone home. It seems they’re waiting for someone affiliated with a team or the media to test positive, and then they’re gong to swoop into action like the NBA. Why? People are going to test positive, only by then you’ll have games in progress, teams in the arena. Put the players’ health first and just pull the plug already so we don’t have more Hoiberg situations. The next Hoiberg isn’t going to test negative.
Exactly. There are very likely players already with this virus. The Ivy League was right from the start.
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I could see them trying to complete the weekend, but definitely don't see games next week. If I were the NCAA, I would move to suspend the tournament with the hopes of holding it in later April or May. You can always cancel later if necessary.
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I could see them trying to complete the weekend, but definitely don't see games next week. If I were the NCAA, I would move to suspend the tournament with the hopes of holding it in later April or May. You can always cancel later if necessary.
I really think if it is suspended, it is cancelled. You have to worry about locations, hotel rooms, television.
The NBA playoffs will be in full swing and the MLB season would have started.
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is there a chance the NCAA will call in at the last minute and spare MU from the gallows with seton hall?
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The NBA playoffs will be in full swing and the MLB season would have started.
Not quite sure about either of those things, but point taken.
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Coronavirus is just a conspiracy by JJ Redick to keep Markus from passing him on the all-time points list. What a jerk.
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I really think if it is suspended, it is cancelled. You have to worry about locations, hotel rooms, television.
The NBA playoffs will be in full swing and the MLB season would have started.
I agree, it's likely cancelled, but they could try holding it over two weekends, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. R64/R32/S16 the first weekend, E8/F4/NC the second. Last two weeks of April or first two weeks of May wouldn't clash as much with other events. And the schedule would mimic Maui & conference tournies where teams do already play back to back days.
If nothing else, it buys time to explore options, even if cancellation is most likely.
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Was looking forward to a couple things this tournament. One was how Markus would finish his career and the other was how the Big East would perform. We had a very strong conference this year and I wanted to see it play out with possibly several teams making it to the second weekend. Oh well.
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We may have seen the last major b ball event with a crowd folks. Who knows when it will happen again
You mean like no crowds again ever? Settle the f**k down and get some perspective.
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ACC tournament to continue.
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Not quite sure about either of those things, but point taken.
The assumption is that if the NCAA tournament can happen then those things can as well.
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You mean like no crowds again ever? Settle the f**k down and get some perspective.
No not ever pal
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Big 10 tourney cancelled.
Its ovah, guys.
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Big 10 tourney cancelled.
Its ovah, guys.
source??
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source??
Everyone? Look at twitter.
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AAC tourney cancelled.
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Bro, the semester doesn't end until May.
Maybe a few guys leave early for the nba, the rest won't happen before May.
But what's the availability of venues? Heaven forbid if the venue has a monster truck pull scheduled for the weekend that they were to host the NCAA tournament. But it could become a logistical nightmare to delay by even a week.
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Trying to.mentally prepare for the season cancelation. This just sucks. Big ten done no way ncca will happen
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SEC cancels as well.
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SEC tourney cancelled.
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B12 cancelled.
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But what's the availability of venues? Heaven forbid if the venue has a monster truck pull scheduled for the weekend that they were to host the NCAA tournament. But it could become a logistical nightmare to delay by even a week.
I'm sure in the country with the most stadiums in the world we could find enough spots to play 67 games over 3 weekends
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Whats even with the suspense anymore. Clearly this season is done. Just call it already. No chance
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Lol Big East
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Dis iz all sew fooked up, hey?
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Whats even with the suspense anymore. Clearly this season is done. Just call it already. No chance
It's not done. It might be postponed.Either that or someone needs to post the Animal House clip, with Bluto wearing a BIG EAST sweatshirt, instead of one stating COLLEGE
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Watching the CU vs STJ game right now, with limited fans it still seems loud
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FYI:
I am 87.6% sure, according to various statistical models I have run, numerous unbiased scholarly articles, and polls in 9 different countries and 14 different states, that if the NCAA season gets cancelled without a tournament, Wojo will get a clean slate beginning next year, meaning it will require an additional 5 years to arrive at a proper and educated judgment on his coaching abilities.
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crazy the BE marches on despite every other conference stopping... chances they stop before the end of games today? or will it be Marquette getting pummeled by Seton Hall as the final NCAA game played this year..
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crazy the BE marches on despite every other conference stopping... chances they stop before the end of games today? or will it be Marquette getting pummeled by Seton Hall as the final NCAA game played this year..
The BE is going to look really bad if someone playing or working today's games ends up infected.
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The BE is going to look really bad if someone playing or working today's games ends up infected.
Yep, optics are everything right now.
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Yep, optics are everything right now.
If I were Seton Hall, I would forfeit, as there is no reason for them to play
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The one small silver lining if the tournament gets canceled...we're not having some magical, once-in-a-generation season that's about to get wiped out.
Can't imagine what it would be like to be a mid-major, have maybe your best season ever, headed for a 1 or 2 seed...and have it all disappear.
Anyway, hope the Flyer fans sanitize their Cavaliers once they're done crying in them.
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Someone go check on muguru...or don't
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Yep, optics are everything right now.
And it seems inevitable someone involved in the BET is going to get it.
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The one small silver lining if the tournament gets canceled...we're not having some magical, once-in-a-generation season that's about to get wiped out.
Can't imagine what it would be like to be a mid-major, have maybe your best season ever, headed for a 1 or 2 seed...and have it all disappear.
Anyway, hope the Flyer fans sanitize their Cavaliers once they're done crying in them.
Yeah, that's a rough break.
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This is stupid. Everyone has cancelled. Big east looks kinda dumb. Is there any practical reason to play these games at this points.
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This is stupid. Everyone has cancelled. Big east looks kinda dumb. Is there any practical reason to play these games at this points.
No, the Big East looks intelligent. They're literally the only entertaining basketball on television right now. #RatingsBoost
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none whatsoever other than somebody wants to collect
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Big Sky cancelled.
Legit think its down to Big East and Big West.
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I'm sure in the country with the most stadiums in the world we could find enough spots to play 67 games over 3 weekends
Aren't each site hosted by a university? Don't they bid for the site locations? So, you're going to screw the selection process and the preparation for hosting by changing venues or make host sites possibly break contracts with other events/promoters/leagues?
This isn't like a promoter moving a concert from Fiserv to the Marcus amphitheatre in June.
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The one small silver lining if the tournament gets canceled...we're not having some magical, once-in-a-generation season that's about to get wiped out.
Can't imagine what it would be like to be a mid-major, have maybe your best season ever, headed for a 1 or 2 seed...and have it all disappear.
Anyway, hope the Flyer fans sanitize their Cavaliers once they're done crying in them.
Could still go on a run, i remember Cleveland as an 11 seed. Good times
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This is stupid. Everyone has cancelled. Big east looks kinda dumb. Is there any practical reason to play these games at this points.
Everyone hasnt cancelled, u sound kinda dumb
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Everyone hasnt cancelled, u sound kinda dumb
Actually yes. The BE is the only one left. So...who sounds kinda dumb?
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Everyone hasnt cancelled, u sound kinda dumb
Everyone remotely notable. Smart ass
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No, the Big East looks intelligent. They're literally the only entertaining basketball on television right now. #RatingsBoost
Lol
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Maybe the Big East will be a beacon and everyone will be A-OK coming out of the tournament quelling anxieties on a national level. #ValForPrez.
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We will never watch markus howard in a marquette jersey again.
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Maybe the Big East will be a beacon and everyone will be A-OK coming out of the tournament quelling anxieties on a national level. #ValForPrez.
BET is cancelled.
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Everyone hasnt cancelled, u sound kinda dumb
Fool
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I'll give it a 10% chance the NCAA tournament happens. Might be generous.
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We will never watch markus howard in a marquette jersey again.
Just sad
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We will never watch markus howard in a marquette jersey again.
equally depressing - Markus Howard will finish his career with nearly every record & 0 tourney wins
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https://twitter.com/lucdadian/status/1238148483250630657?s=21
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Wojo was undefeated in the 2020 postseason.
So do they go ahead with the selection show on Sunday?
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Wojo was undefeated in the 2020 postseason.
So do they go ahead with the selection show on Sunday?
I hope that they do so my last memory of this season is Wojo getting relegated to the NIT.
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Aren't each site hosted by a university? Don't they bid for the site locations? So, you're going to screw the selection process and the preparation for hosting by changing venues or make host sites possibly break contracts with other events/promoters/leagues?
This isn't like a promoter moving a concert from Fiserv to the Marcus amphitheatre in June.
Pretty sure in an unprecedented situation like this, the contracts will be void. If the universities still have the power to hold and want to, sure let them. But why are you making this an issue?
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Duke just suspended all athletic activities. No way the tournament is played without their inclusion. The tournament won't get played.
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Duke just suspended all athletic activities. No way the tournament is played without their inclusion. The tournament won't get played.
Their AD is chair of the committee right?
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crazy the BE marches on despite every other conference stopping... chances they stop before the end of games today? or will it be Marquette getting pummeled by Seton Hall as the final NCAA game played this year..
Not a Good Look for the Big East.
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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
This is the best breakdown I've seen of the potential spread, and if it does follow this path things could be much worse in a couple of weeks. If it follows this line it seems the best case is delaying it and eventually seeing a peak and then falling off in caronavirus within a window that let's the tournament be played late without fans.
I hope they do selection Sunday just to recognize teams, even knowing the games may never be played.
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Their AD is chair of the committee right?
Yes.
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Not a Good Look for the Big East.
Actually, it is not a good look for college basketball/NCAA. Val said this morning, during a conference call, all the conferences - at the time - were planning on moving ahead playing games. The fact that there isn't a true commissioner of college basketball is even more glaring.
With Kansas/Duke now cancelling athletic events, everything is being done in response, rather than group/collective. One brightside to this terrible situation is that it could lead/force the NCAA to completely be revamped/restructured to create more effective leadership and autonomy.
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Pretty sure in an unprecedented situation like this, the contracts will be void. If the universities still have the power to hold and want to, sure let them. But why are you making this an issue?
Because the thought that any organization can pull off a change of this magnitude with a month's notice is naive. There is no possibilty of it being played at a later date if/when it's canceled.
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NHL suspended
MLB suspended
MLS suspended
Golf - no fans
NASCAR - no fans
Formula One - no fans next week
That’s just today.
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NHL suspended
MLB suspended
MLS suspended
Golf - no fans
NASCAR - no fans
Formula One - no fans next week
That’s just today.
I'm willing to bet to stay on schedule, missed games will not be made up at a later date. All seasons will be shortened.
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Could they just postpone the NCAA tournament to start like April 16th?
Is that even a viable option?
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I hope they do selection Sunday just to recognize teams, even knowing the games may never be played.
Oh what a great idea, remind every player, coach, fan, etc. what we’ll be missing and never see. Pour salt right in that open wound and wallow in it. Remind all the seniors who would have played their last hurrah and attempt at NCAA glory was stolen from them.
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Duke and Kansas have suspended athletic activities
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Could they just postpone the NCAA tournament to start like April 16th?
Is that even a viable option?
Theoretically, anything is possible.
From a practical perspective, I highly doubt it. In addition to the logistics of stuff like arenas and TV, teams wouldn't be playing games (maybe even practicing) for a month, so they'd be coming in cold. I wish I thought otherwise...but if they don't hold it as scheduled, I think it's over. And I can't imagine they will be holding it as scheduled....
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Oh what a great idea, remind every player, coach, fan, etc. what we’ll be missing and never see. Pour salt right in that open wound and wallow in it. Remind all the seniors who would have played their last hurrah and attempt at NCAA glory was stolen from them.
I mean if the NCAA doesn't cancel the tournament before Sunday, they kind of have to notify the teams of the field. If there is any sliver of hope it will be played (it wont be played), even if that is 2-3 weeks away, they need to tell the teams who are in the field.
There are wayyyyyyy too many moving parts to delay the NCAA tournament. If it doesn't start a week from today, its not happening. And its not going to start a week from today.
Also...its crazy how much this this escalated in 24 hours. Absolutely insane.
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Kansas apparently did not pull out of the tournament. Admittedly, I have no idea what this means. But Kansas is adamant they did not pull out.
Adam Schefter
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Update: KU not pulling itself out; it has suspended its sports program. But it’s not out of the tourney.
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You can still catch it if you pull out?
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Could they just postpone the NCAA tournament to start like April 16th?
Is that even a viable option?
Well, NCAA currently in talks with the Corona Virus to negotiate a start date. Right now talks have stalled with the Virus demanding a peak infestation well into April and will run it's course into May.
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You can still catch it if you pull out?
Teens across the country are shocked.
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Let's still have a tournament funded by a private organization and allow all the proceeds go to the players.
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Let's still have a tournament funded by a private organization and allow all the proceeds go to the players.
YESSSS!
We can call it "The Basketball Tournament" or "TBT" for short. Maybe even let some alumni players participate?
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Bond movie delayed release
Quiet Place 2 delayed release
Fast and Furious 9 delayed a year.
Guess no one headed to the theater. Wait till next week when Governers close schools for three weeks. Oh, wait, Ohio just did that.
No way on planet NCAAs happen next week.
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YESSSS!
We can call it "The Basketball Tournament" or "TBT" for short. Maybe even let some alumni players participate?
Woah that's so meta! And like maybe there's some private organization basketball players can play in without the obnoxious distraction of school?
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https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-cancels-remaining-winter-and-spring-championships
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Officially cancelled.
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Heard NCAA just cancelled!!!
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And spring championships too. So no College World Series.
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nm
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Quite a 24 hours. I started this post half in jest yesterday. Can't believe the speed in which this all went down.
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If only they had listened to guru
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If only they had listened to guru
Lol, his comments look even more asinine (if that is even possible) a mere 24 hours later.
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Quite a 24 hours. I started this post half in jest yesterday. Can't believe the speed in which this all went down.
Yup, how today unfolded was certainly...surprising.
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The most shocking thing might be the Big East getting a half of basketball in.
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The most shocking thing might be the Big East getting a half of basketball in.
If you would of told me in November that st johns would be playing in the last game of the season.... lol
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If you would of told me in November that st johns would be playing in the last game of the season.... lol
...AND WINNING!
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If you would of told me in November that st johns would be playing in the last game of the season.... lol
Thank you! I needed that laugh!
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WIAA Boys tournament cancelled.
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NCAA has now cancelled all recruiting activity, whether on or off campus, through 4/15.
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The most shocking thing might be the Big East getting a half of basketball in.
And the "empty" arena surprisingly wasn't really weird or all that different when viewing it on television.
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WIAA Boys tournament cancelled.
This is actually accurate now, but when this was posted, it was not accurate. They played the games last night, then decided to cancel late last night.
What was your #source?
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This is actually accurate now, but when this was posted, it was not accurate. They played the games last night, then decided to cancel late last night.
What was your #source?
The Madison paper said it was cancelled in a headline. But it was just going to be moved from UW-Madison because they refused to host it.
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Right - thanks for clarifying. Not cancelled, just that the venue was no longer available.