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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: WhiteTrash on March 07, 2020, 04:07:22 PM
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While everyone knows MU will never be Villanova, could we be as good as Creighton? With the right coach I think we could be as good as Creighton.
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While everyone knows MU will never be Villanova, could we be as good as Creighton? With the right coach I think we could be as good as Creighton.
Good troll.
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While everyone knows MU will never be Villanova, could we be as good as Creighton? With the right coach I think we could be as good as Creighton.
Why should we just accept that "MU will never be Villanova"?
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Why should we just accept that "MU will never be Villanova"?
Its kind off unfair and goofy to set the bar that high then complain if they dont reach it. Im not saying you do this but others certainly seem to. Its really about the rationality of things. Obviously its possible we could get a jay Wright level coach who wants to stick around. However its ridiculously unlikely so in that sense ppl say we wont become nova
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Why should we just accept that "MU will never be Villanova"?
Exactly. Settling for mediocrity.
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Exactly. Settling for mediocrity.
Or being realistic.
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Or being realistic.
No. You should expect more than where we are now and expect better than frickin Creighton. Its sad and very telling how far the expectations have fallen. There is no reason MU cant be an upper echelon program.
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No. You should expect more than where we are now and expect better than frickin Creighton. Its sad and very telling how far the expectations have fallen. There is no reason MU cant be an upper echelon program.
The thread was clearly meant as a troll. Nobody is expecting to be Creighton. Everyone expects more than where we are now. That’s all great. Expecting Nova? Well, have at it. But you’re going to continue to be mad and/or sad about MUBB until the day you die then.
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There is no reason MU cant be an upper echelon program.
Well, except the past 33 years says otherwise...
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Well, except the past 33 years says otherwise...
Don’t you mean 43?
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MU can be Duke. MU can be Gonzaga. MU has facilities, a heritage, fan base and pays. If a kid cares about academics, MU has that too. Why do fans/alums set expectations low? Let’s go get a coach and rock-n-roll. Laugh if you want, but I’m going for Rick Pitino. Are the Jez so pure themselves? Plus, Rock comes cheap. 30-win seasons, thank you.
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MU can be Duke. MU can be Gonzaga. MU has facilities, a heritage, fan base and pays. If a kid cares about academics, MU has that too. Why do fans/alums set expectations low? Let’s go get a coach and rock-n-roll. Laugh if you want, but I’m going for Rick Pitino. Are the Jez so pure themselves? Plus, Rock comes cheap. 30-win seasons, thank you.
Even if he wears his whiteout suit?
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MU can be Duke. MU can be Gonzaga. MU has facilities, a heritage, fan base and pays. If a kid cares about academics, MU has that too. Why do fans/alums set expectations low? Let’s go get a coach and rock-n-roll. Laugh if you want, but I’m going for Rick Pitino. Are the Jez so pure themselves? Plus, Rock comes cheap. 30-win seasons, thank you.
Great post. Intriguing to think about Slick Rick patrolling the sidelines.
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Well, except the past 33 years says otherwise...
More like 40 years but what kind of logic is that? Good thing the chiefs didnt give up after not winning a super bowl for 50 years.
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Great post. Intriguing to think about Slick Rick patrolling the sidelines.
Intriguing yes, but we’ll change our name back to Warriors before that would happen
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MU can be Duke. MU can be Gonzaga. MU has facilities, a heritage, fan base and pays. If a kid cares about academics, MU has that too. Why do fans/alums set expectations low? Let’s go get a coach and rock-n-roll. Laugh if you want, but I’m going for Rick Pitino. Are the Jez so pure themselves? Plus, Rock comes cheap. 30-win seasons, thank you.
We were knocking on that door. Then we messed with Happy.
All so we could recruit “good kids”.
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Don’t you mean 43?
Oops. Yes. Long day.
But 33 should also be enough time to realize Marquette can be very good some years, but probably not "upper echelon" year after year. 43 years is just stupid long to not realize that.
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Intriguing yes, but we’ll change our name back to Warriors before that would happen
I agree. No way in hell I could see lightweight Lovell allowing Slick Rick. No way Al McGuire would be allowed to coach MU under this BOT and President.
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I agree. No way in hell I could see lightweight Lovell allowing Slick Rick. No way Al McGuire would be allowed to coach MU under this BOT and President.
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I hear you Elons, but I don’t think there’s a program in America who would touch him.
One thing, we would win and win a lot with him, but at what price to programs reputation. But from a pure winning standpoint, it’s fun to consider!
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Oops. Yes. Long day.
But 33 should also be enough time to realize Marquette can be very good some years, but probably not "upper echelon" year after year. 43 years is just stupid long to not realize that.
Marquette was in the Elite 8
7 years ago. Before that Final 4 in was it ‘03? But our current drought is problematic.
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While everyone knows MU will never be Villanova, could we be as good as Creighton? With the right coach I think we could be as good as Creighton.
Coming into this season since Coach Wojo became coach we have had a better record in the Big East then Creighton.
Do you think there is a WhiteTrash guy at Creighton Scoop the last few years asking why they haven’t been better than MU?
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Marquette was in the Elite 8
7 years ago. Before that Final 4 in was it ‘03? But our current drought is problematic.
I guess I don't view 10 years between elite 8's as "upper echelon" - as a PROGRAM (though as proven earlier, my math is bad today). And that's not just me being down on this year, or on Wojo. Marquette won a single NC. Over the history of time, they *should* be a very good - at least top 40 program. But Since 1977? That's been about it. Some very good years. Many pretty decent. Some skunks. I don't think Marquette can be upper echelon (top 15?) consistently.
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I guess I don't view 10 years between elite 8's as "upper echelon" - as a PROGRAM (though as proven earlier, my math is bad today). And that's not just me being down on this year, or on Wojo. Marquette won a single NC. Over there history of time, they *should* be a very good - at least top 40 program. But Since 1977? That's been about it. Some very good years. Many pretty decent. Some skunks. I don't think Marquette can be upper echelon (top 15?) consistently.
In agreement RockyWarrior. We have had some wonderful moments when I was young, but that was so to one spirit that was unique to the world. We have been good, very good or average in spurts since then.
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Marquette needs to cheat more, I totally agree. We need a better bag man.
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Marquette needs to cheat more, I totally agree. We need a better bag man.
It worked in ‘77
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It worked in ‘77
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I agree. No way in hell I could see lightweight Lovell allowing Slick Rick. No way Al McGuire would be allowed to coach MU under this BOT and President.
Never thought about it but this is probably true. Sad.
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Never thought about it but this is probably true. Sad.
There’s not a BOT in the nation that would allow Al to do what Al did in today’s world.
Edit: I regret this take somewhat, Louisville is a vile place.
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We were knocking on that door. Then we messed with Happy.
All so we could recruit “good kids”.
The team player photo at the start of the game says it all.
M.U. players are wearing suits and ties, very preppy, sweaky clean. Love the bow tie that T.J. is wearing. Might as well be playing for St. Lawrence or Bucknell.
St. John's and every other team are wearing basketball shirts. They come to play, M.U. comes to make a good impression. I'm sure we will look very squared away Wednesday night.
Perhaps the B.O.T. can get us into the Ivy League.
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We were knocking on that door. Then we messed with Happy.
All so we could recruit “good kids”.
Bingo. Sadly, this is it in a nutshell.
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There’s not a BOT in the world that world allow Al to do what Al did in today’s world.
Feelings >>>>
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There’s not a BOT in the world that world allow Al to do what Al did in today’s world.
Al McGuire was an agent of social change.
Arthur Schlesinger wrote in his acclaimed biography of Robert Kennedy that in 1968, the only two white guys who could safely walk the streets of Harlem were Kennedy and Al McGuire.
McGuire stood for something greater than men running around in their underwear. Adolph Rupp, and the broader American consciousness, were schooled in tolerance and inclusion by Al in a fashion that was instantly understandable.
Al was much more than a basketball coach.
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Al McGuire was an agent of social change.
Arthur Schlesinger wrote in his acclaimed biography of Robert Kennedy that in 1968, the only two white guys who could safely walk the streets of Harlem were Kennedy and Al McGuire.
McGuire stood for something greater than men running around in their underwear. Adolph Rupp, and the broader American consciousness, were schooled in tolerance and inclusion by Al in a fashion that was instantly understandable.
Al was much more than a basketball coach.
Sure was. Still wouldn’t be a coach today.
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Keefe is smart
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While everyone knows MU will never be Villanova, could we be as good as Creighton? With the right coach I think we could be as good as Creighton.
In my eyes, that's not too much to ask. Granted, they got to where they are because they found a solid coach and kept him on even as his stock grew over the years. Schools like Creighton, Wichita State, VCU, and Butler are the pipe dream for most non-Blue-Blood programs. Those stories aren't impossible to achieve, but they're very tough to replicate.
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Al McGuire was an agent of social change.
Arthur Schlesinger wrote in his acclaimed biography of Robert Kennedy that in 1968, the only two white guys who could safely walk the streets of Harlem were Kennedy and Al McGuire.
McGuire stood for something greater than men running around in their underwear. Adolph Rupp, and the broader American consciousness, were schooled in tolerance and inclusion by Al in a fashion that was instantly understandable.
Al was much more than a basketball coach.
RUCKER PARK
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Sure was. Still wouldn’t be a coach today.
Al McGuire would be one of the finest coaches in America today.
Leadership is an art. Al McGuire was a Rothko or Jackson Pollack.
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I agree. No way in hell I could see lightweight Lovell allowing Slick Rick. No way Al McGuire would be allowed to coach MU under this BOT and President.
The BOT plan is to get Marquette into the Ivy League. Good luck.
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Oops. Yes. Long day.
But 33 should also be enough time to realize Marquette can be very good some years, but probably not "upper echelon" year after year. 43 years is just stupid long to not realize that.
I would consider Gonzaga to be a top tier program even though they haven't won a championship. Same goes for schools like Ohio State, Michigan, UCLA, and Indiana. They've had their glory days at the top of the college basketball world, but it's been a while since they've been there. You don't have to win championships year after year to separate yourself from the rest of the field as a top program.
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In my eyes, that's not too much to ask. Granted, they got to where they are because they found a solid coach and kept him on even as his stock grew over the years. Schools like Creighton, Wichita State, VCU, and Butler are the pipe dream for most non-Blue-Blood programs. Those stories aren't impossible to achieve, but they're very tough to replicate.
Creighton has 12 total NCAA Tournament wins and hasn’t been to the Sweet 16 since before MU last won a national title. VCU has a single Sweet Sixteen in their history, which came in a miracle Final Four run when they shouldn’t have even made the Tournament. Those programs are a “pipe dream” for most non-blue bloods?
My god.
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Never thought about it but this is probably true. Sad.
Yeah imagine how insufferable this fan base, and especially the meat eaters, would be if we hired some dude who went 24-3 and 21-2 at Belmont Abbey his first two years and his last 2 years before we hired him away from them he went 7-21 and 6-18.
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Great post. Intriguing to think about Slick Rick patrolling the sidelines.
Yes, that would be entertaining. MU would need to open a thoroughbred track to help entice Rick and then Northern Colt will be on board. Now does anybody know of an Italian eatery that can be used as Rick's headquarters with accommodations similar to a table at Porcinis?
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Sure was. Still wouldn’t be a coach today.
And Wade, Hutch, Zar and Jae wouldn't be admitted today, but the school felt the need to honor them this year.
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Al McGuire was an agent of social change.
Arthur Schlesinger wrote in his acclaimed biography of Robert Kennedy that in 1968, the only two white guys who could safely walk the streets of Harlem were Kennedy and Al McGuire.
McGuire stood for something greater than men running around in their underwear. Adolph Rupp, and the broader American consciousness, were schooled in tolerance and inclusion by Al in a fashion that was instantly understandable.
Al was much more than a basketball coach.
Great post. Wish I was 20 years older to have been able to experience the 70s at MU under Al.
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And Wade, Hutch, Zar and Jae wouldn't be admitted today, but the school felt the need to honor them this year.
And therein you have the ultimate hypocrisy of this PC movement. Talk about using kids. "Hey, we really don't want your academic profile at MU anymore, but we sure love to use and champion your success for our benefit."
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And Wade, Hutch, Zar and Jae wouldn't be admitted today, but the school felt the need to honor them this year.
Yeah that's what bugs me the most. Especially with Jae, as he was made an example of when they adjusted the standards.
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Great post. Wish I was 20 years older to have been able to experience the 70s at MU under Al.
The pain in my left knee says “be careful what you wish for.”
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Yeah imagine how insufferable this fan base, and especially the meat eaters, would be if we hired some dude who went 24-3 and 21-2 at Belmont Abbey his first two years and his last 2 years before we hired him away from them he went 7-21 and 6-18.
No. Al would have opened his mouth for the first time at his presser and everyone, meat eaters included, would have said this dude is something else. Wojo’s inability to ever say anything insightful is what had so many ppl down on him from the jump. Just not much there.
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Well, except the past 33 years says otherwise...
Yea and the past 6 also say otherwise, but there is no reason we should not have higher expectations if we find the right guy. The resources are there but apathy amongst the fan base and admin. has definitely become pervasive.
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Back to Creighton...Zegarowski injured his knee with 40 seconds left and had to be helped off the court. If it’s a serious knee injury, this will be like when Dominic James got hurt. They are not close to the same team without him.
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Back to Creighton...Zegarowski injured his knee with 40 seconds left and had to be helped off the court. If it’s a serious knee injury, this will be like when Dominic James got hurt. They are not close to the same team without him.
So you are saying there is still a chance?
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Bingo. Sadly, this is it in a nutshell.
+10000...the single worst mistake in recent MU BB history. Period. I want THAT MU program back.