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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mileskishnish72 on March 07, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
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As the MKE Journal indicated, we are on a slide to replicate last year's debacle.
To date, our record at season's end, the last 2 years is 2-12.
2-12. Think about that. Put it into perspective.
To a program with our history and our commitment ($$$) that should be unacceptable.
Will anything change? Doubtful. Not optimistic for next year.
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i'll bet the dick strongs of MU are in a long meeting that will probably adjourn, ohhh...probably around 3/19 or 3/20.
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i'll bet the dick strongs of MU are in a long meeting that will probably adjourn, ohhh...probably around 3/19 or 3/20.
I am pretty confident MU is not firing Wojo. Maybe he bails on his own but Lovell is not pulling the trigger.
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I am pretty confident MU is not firing Wojo. Maybe he bails on his own but Lovell is not pulling the trigger.
Somebody needs to get some balls, otherwise next year will be worse. Stone cold lock.
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I am pretty confident MU is not firing Wojo. Maybe he bails on his own but Lovell is not pulling the trigger.
You are probably correct. But how do you look at the product on the court and tell yourself, "just 1 more year."
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i'll bet the dick strongs of MU are in a long meeting that will probably adjourn, ohhh...probably around 3/19 or 3/20.
Dick was against the hiring to begin with. Why would he bail Lovell out now?
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i'll bet the dick strongs of MU are in a long meeting that will probably adjourn, ohhh...probably around 3/19 or 3/20.
Agree!
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As the MKE Journal indicated, we are on a slide to replicate last year's debacle.
To date, our record at season's end, the last 2 years is 2-12.
2-12. Think about that. Put it into perspective.
To a program with our history and our commitment ($$$) that should be unacceptable.
Will anything change? Doubtful. Not optimistic for next year.
You had to read it in the MJS to believe it?
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Well, regular season is over.
I remember many scoopers saying this year was the year to determine if Wojo stays or goes after last seasons collapse.
What say you? Why should we want to keep Wojo at the helm? If next years class is your response, my answer is we saw what Wojo did with a 2 year AA, and how did that turnout? What about sam and Joey leaving? What makes you believe he could keep the class together if they commit next year?
How can anyone think he’s the answer for the future of MU?
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Mercurial Man
Dick Strong's story is the stuff of legend; some of its chapters don't look pretty
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB107490185422110442
Up Against The Wall Dick Strong runs his mutual fund firm with a raging passion. And passion can get you into a lot of trouble.
https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/11/24/353793/index.htm
A very good friend of mine got his start under dick(no pun) in his late 20’s. he is still with the company, now Wells Fargo, and to say he has done well is the understatement of the decade. 3 homes in Wisconsin, 2 on okauchee lake, one in Florida....there may be more
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A very good friend of mine got his start under dick(no pun) in his late 20’s. he is still with the company, now Wells Fargo, and to say he has done well is the understatement of the decade. 3 homes in Wisconsin, 2 on okauchee lake, one in Florida....there may be more
Rocket, all I know about Dick is what I’ve read. I’m happy for your friend.
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Rocket, all I know about Dick is what I’ve read. I’m happy for your friend.
same here and a big fan of MU bb...or he used to be anyway. as fluff said earlier, he was against the wojo hire, so makes one wonder how influential he really is. i'm sue some here know a lot more, but i would understand if they were reluctant to post too much. never met the man personally but aside from my friend, my dads original accountant way back knew him as well. by all accounts, before the strong chit hit the fan anyway, he was a personable guy. he may still be, but i'm just an ordinary guy
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You are probably correct. But how do you look at the product on the court and tell yourself, "just 1 more year."
Not sure Lovell looks at this the same way we do. Strong attendance, clean program and a winning record. Tough to fire that. We, as fans, make not like the results on the court but the optics to fire a guy with a winning record seems out of character for MU.
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We, as fans, make not like the results on the court but the optics to fire a guy with a winning record seems out of character for MU.
Mike Deane ring a bell? And his resume upon his firing was stronger than Wojo’s.
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Not sure Lovell looks at this the same way we do. Strong attendance, clean program and a winning record. Tough to fire that. We, as fans, make not like the results on the court but the optics to fire a guy with a winning record seems out of character for MU.
In the era of buy games, every coach should have a winning regular season record. I’m more interested in conference record. This year wojo had a losing record.
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Well, regular season is over.
I remember many scoopers saying this year was the year to determine if Wojo stays or goes after last seasons collapse.
What say you? Why should we want to keep Wojo at the helm? If next years class is your response, my answer is we saw what Wojo did with a 2 year AA, and how did that turnout? What about sam and Joey leaving? What makes you believe he could keep the class together if they commit next year?
How can anyone think he’s the answer for the future of MU?
Well said...but...I also agree with the below..unfortunately. Have to remember Lovell rushed to premature judgement handing Wojo an extension in Year 2 for winning the lame Pre-Season NIT. Lovell loves him some Wojo...and I don't see Lovell having the stones to sign off on firing.
I am pretty confident MU is not firing Wojo. Maybe he bails on his own but Lovell is not pulling the trigger.
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Mike Deane ring a bell? And his resume upon his firing was stronger than Wojo’s.
Do you think the competition was the same? Look, I get it. I am not happy at all but the administration is not going to fire him. Maybe if season 7 brings the same results the tide may turn. Right now I just do not see Lovell pulling the plug. Sorry.
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Do you think the competition was the same? Look, I get it. I am not happy at all but the administration is not going to fire him. Maybe if season 7 brings the same results the tide may turn. Right now I just do not see Lovell pulling the plug. Sorry.
If it were me, I would ask Wojo to bring in a seasoned xo coach. If he didn't like that I would tell him he could start looking for another job.
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If it were me, I would ask Wojo to bring in a seasoned xo coach. If he didn't like that I would tell him he could start looking for another job.
Yes let's have a coach bring in a coach so that someone can actually coach. Just fire the buffoon and move on.
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If it were me, I would ask Wojo to bring in a seasoned xo coach. If he didn't like that I would tell him he could start looking for another job.
Not this again. How many of these solid coaches are not working elsewhere?
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Yes let's have a coach bring in a coach so that someone can actually coach. Just fire the buffoon and move on.
Chances are he is not getting fired though. Next best option is you have a seasoned coach on bench or Wojo leaves on his own.
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Not this again. How many of these solid coaches are not working elsewhere?
Ok. Your solution is.....
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Chances are he is not getting fired though. Next best option is you have a seasoned coach on bench or Wojo leaves on his own.
If we aren't going to fire him, the next best option is to throw him to the wolves and make the decision very easy at the end of next season. Hiring a behind-the-scenes guy to mask Wojos many deficiencies is a great way to stay passably mediocre for another 6 years.
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Rocket, all I know about Dick is what I’ve read. I’m happy for your friend.
I'd imagine there are an awful lot of crooks who got rich while working at Wells Fargo.
One of the most corrupt American companies in modern history.
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Ok. Your solution is.....
Encourage Wojo to leave.
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So, why does everyone think these slides happen? Please, no one word, Wojo answers. Is it fatigue, lack of adjustments on the second time seeing teams, etc?
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So, why does everyone think these slides happen? Please, no one word, Wojo answers. Is it fatigue, lack of adjustments on the second time seeing teams, etc?
Lack of adjustments, inability to prepare game plans 2nd time around, and inability to motivate supporting players to step up.
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Encourage Wojo to leave.
With you there.
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So, why does everyone think these slides happen? Please, no one word, Wojo answers. Is it fatigue, lack of adjustments on the second time seeing teams, etc?
Other teams have improved more than us and that is also what happen last year. People forget that we had the same record as Villanova in the last nine games last year. The other teams simply got better. Is the failure to develop a sign of poor coaching or a sign of a lack of talent?
I do not think Bailey, John and McEwen would start on any other Big East team.
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Who would of ever thought that winning 5 more regular season games than North Carolina would be a bad season?
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So, why does everyone think these slides happen? Please, no one word, Wojo answers. Is it fatigue, lack of adjustments on the second time seeing teams, etc?
Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
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Yes let's have a coach bring in a coach so that someone can actually coach. Just fire the buffoon and move on.
Didn't the admin make Crean bring in the old DePaul coach for that reason. It’s been done before.
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Didn't the admin make Crean bring in the old DePaul coach for that reason. It’s been done before.
Jerry Wainwright.
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Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
I think this is 100% spot on. The question we need answered is why did this suddenly happen?? I mean, they were ranked 18th at one point, had just throttled Butler at home and ever since the @ Nova game they have been free falling. They need to just play rather then think on the floor so much. I think one of the best ways Wojo MIGHT be able to help is by not starting Koby and Brendan..Let them watch the game from the bench to start, kinda see what's happening out there first, get a feel for it. maybe that calms them down. That does work for some guys...they are just better coming off the bench. Whatever it is, they need to fix it...FAST.
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Jerry Wainwright.
I thought Buzz brought him in
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I think this is 100% spot on. The question we need answered is why did this suddenly happen?? I mean, they were ranked 18th at one point, had just throttled Butler at home and ever since the @ Nova game they have been free falling. They need to just play rather then think on the floor so much. I think one of the best ways Wojo MIGHT be able to help is by not starting Koby and Brendan..Let them watch the game from the bench to start, kinda see what's happening out there first, get a feel for it. maybe that calms them down. That does work for some guys...they are just better coming off the bench. Whatever it is, they need to fix it...FAST.
Because our dumbass fanbase decided that being ranked 18th in the country wasn’t up to their standard and booed them. They then went on the road, didn’t play well but found a way to fight themselves back into a game they ultimately lost close at Nova, and then came home and got booed again before their game against Creighton and the route was on.
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Because our dumbass fanbase decided that being ranked 18th in the country wasn’t up to their standard and booed them. They then went on the road, didn’t play well but found a way to fight themselves back into a game they ultimately lost close at Nova, and then came home and got booed again before their game against Creighton and the route was on.
Soft
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Soft
Says the guy constantly crying on an anonymous about his favorite basketball team not winning enough to satisfy his needs. Get over yourself.
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Because our dumbass fanbase decided that being ranked 18th in the country wasn’t up to their standard and booed them. They then went on the road, didn’t play well but found a way to fight themselves back into a game they ultimately lost close at Nova, and then came home and got booed again before their game against Creighton and the route was on.
This, sir, is an Arby’s.
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I don’t think Wojo’s seat is hot. We will see how strong and tough he is with all the criticism flying if he stays. Is he thick-skinned or not? We will see
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Encourage Wojo to leave.
I think he knows he's got a good thing going at Marquette so his ass flesh is welded to the MU bench.
We need to initiate a concerted campaign full of insults and vulgar innuendo designed to frustrate and anger the man.
I have it on very good authority that a series of acts of malicious vandalism at the Mequon Manor - egging, TPing the shrubbery, flaming bags of dog sh1t, prank calls - has triggered a move to Whitefish Bay. Let's keep the man moving eastward.
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Is that true?
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Says the guy constantly crying on an anonymous about his favorite basketball team not winning enough to satisfy his needs. Get over yourself.
perfect description
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Is that true?
Yes. Wojo is looking to make a move.
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I think he knows he's got a good thing going at Marquette so his ass flesh is welded to the MU bench.
We need to initiate a concerted campaign full of insults and vulgar innuendo designed to frustrate and anger the man.
I have it on very good authority that a series of acts of malicious vandalism at the Mequon Manor - egging, TPing the shrubbery, flaming bags of dog sh1t, prank calls - has triggered a move to Whitefish Bay. Let's keep the man moving eastward.
WFB is much better than Mequon, this is a good adjustment from Wojo. Will it help recruiting?
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Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
This is spot on! I would like to see them play a more trapping full-court defense and increase pace of play. I think an increased pace will get them playing more freely, perhaps share the ball more and improve their turnover margin (meaning they'd force more, not necessarily commit less). We have the athletes and the depth to play faster, it would be a welcomed change IMO.
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This is spot on! I would like to see them play a more trapping full-court defense and increase pace of play. I think an increased pace will get them playing more freely, perhaps share the ball more and improve their turnover margin (meaning they'd force more, not necessarily commit less). We have the athletes and the depth to play faster, it would be a welcomed change IMO.
Actually we have none of that. We hardly have any depth. And I don't think we are overly athletic compared to the rest of the Big East.
Our defense is bad enough already...and you want to extend it out further? If anything they should pack it in.
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Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
Spot on. Best comment about the slide I’ve seen yet.
Koby has been tense since December. His shot hasn’t fallen the way it should and he plays tentative. Brendan passed up more open looks at DePaul than did the M/C at the Miss Universe contest.
These guys remind me of a college student who has studied her lights out for an exam but is so wound up she lets her fear get the best of her. She underperforms because she focuses on what she doesn’t know rather than what she knows.
At some point, hopefully this week, Coach Wojo says, “just go out there and have fun. If we get beat by 40, so be it. But let ‘em rip and do things you do best!
“Oh, and Theo... please, please stop dribbling the ball. Just put it in the basket ... take the damn defender through the rim with you if you have to, but don’t dribble!”
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Actually we have none of that. We hardly have any depth. And I don't think we are overly athletic compared to the rest of the Big East.
Our defense is bad enough already...and you want to extend it out further? If anything they should pack it in.
Agreed. I wish Wojo would take some notes from Budenholzer's defense. Obviously we don't have a Bledsoe chasing around the ball handler and a Lopez/Giannis waiting at the rim, but we also aren't playing professionals who make more open shots than they miss. I find college defenses in general to way overextend. If a team is going to beat you by setting a high ball screen and the ball handler being able to hide behind the screen and shoot a jumper over the screener and defender trying to get around it, so be it. Instead of protecting the paint, we (and many other college teams) hedge out just as high as the ball handler and the entire lane is wide open.
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Agreed. I wish Wojo would take some notes from Budenholzer's defense. Obviously we don't have a Bledsoe chasing around the ball handler and a Lopez/Giannis waiting at the rim, but we also aren't playing professionals who make more open shots than they miss. I find college defenses in general to way overextend. If a team is going to beat you by setting a high ball screen and the ball handler being able to hide behind the screen and shoot a jumper over the screener and defender trying to get around it, so be it. Instead of protecting the paint, we (and many other college teams) hedge out just as high as the ball handler and the entire lane is wide open.
The only reason college teams should extend their defense is if they play well with pace. And I don't think this version of Marquette does.
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Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
I mentioned this in an earlier post but you've said it much better. I don't think we're getting the best out of at least 3 guys because they are playing tight. For those who remember how Wojo played, he always played tight. He wasn't good enough to loosen up for a second. Had to be 170% intensity at all times to compete with better athletes on his own team and on the opposing team. Maybe he projects the same on his teams? Maybe only super stubborn, super resilient guys like Rowsey or guys who have been given the ultimate green light like Markus and Carlino can deal with it.
From the DePaul game I actually think Sacar came out of it and seems to have said to himself "eff it, I'd really like to win this game" and then started playing very well in the 2nd half.
From my perspective it's the coaching staff job to get the whole team past their mental blocks... simultaneously.
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Wojo also coaches very tight. He wears his emotion on his sleeve. I think that was why it was so noticeable that he was very subdued during the Georgetown game.
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Because our dumbass fanbase decided that being ranked 18th in the country wasn’t up to their standard and booed them. They then went on the road, didn’t play well but found a way to fight themselves back into a game they ultimately lost close at Nova, and then came home and got booed again before their game against Creighton and the route was on.
I'm trying to wade through the psychoanalysis that popped up here, but don't get this at all. So the crowd was unhappy and booed and that set off a huge slide in performance that lead to us losing to the bottom teams in the league? A team good enough to be ranked 18 suddenly loses their ability to hit shots for the rest of the season because they have a bad half and catch some boos? What, were they mad at the booing and are now punishing the fans by losing 6 of 7, or just so thin skinned that they can't deal with any criticism from fans that can't appreciate a top 20 team?
I don't have the answer, but I doubt they were crushed/angered by some boos, or that suddenly they got tight because they suddenly "had the weight of the world" on them, or they finally decided in the last month of the season to react to Wojo's style by not hitting shots and playing poorer defense.
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I'm trying to wade through the psychoanalysis that popped up here, but don't get this at all. So the crowd was unhappy and booed and that set off a huge slide in performance that lead to us losing to the bottom teams in the league? A team good enough to be ranked 18 suddenly loses their ability to hit shots for the rest of the season because they have a bad half and catch some boos? What, were they mad at the booing and are now punishing the fans by losing 6 of 7, or just so thin skinned that they can't deal with any criticism from fans that can't appreciate a top 20 team?
I don't have the answer, but I doubt they were crushed/angered by some boos, or that suddenly they got tight because they suddenly "had the weight of the world" on them, or they finally decided in the last month of the season to react to Wojo's style by not hitting shots and playing poorer defense.
Especially since the boos started at the Nova home game win in early January that led to the run. Here is what bothered the team: The second time through the conference the past two years.
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I'm trying to wade through the psychoanalysis that popped up here, but don't get this at all. So the crowd was unhappy and booed and that set off a huge slide in performance that lead to us losing to the bottom teams in the league? A team good enough to be ranked 18 suddenly loses their ability to hit shots for the rest of the season because they have a bad half and catch some boos? What, were they mad at the booing and are now punishing the fans by losing 6 of 7, or just so thin skinned that they can't deal with any criticism from fans that can't appreciate a top 20 team?
I don't have the answer, but I doubt they were crushed/angered by some boos, or that suddenly they got tight because they suddenly "had the weight of the world" on them, or they finally decided in the last month of the season to react to Wojo's style by not hitting shots and playing poorer defense.
Don’t bother wading through it. It’s a laughable premise and not worth entertaining.
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So, why does everyone think these slides happen? Please, no one word, Wojo answers. Is it fatigue, lack of adjustments on the second time seeing teams, etc?
In my small brain opinion only, I think it is two fold. He seems so “loyal” to certain players, but I think that is out of fear. Fear of transfer, fear of ego, fear of his lesser ability to manage personalities. This isn’t true team or player development and runs out of gas in the end. Second, I think he is a competent coach, he played at the highest collegiate level, and well, and he does know the game. However, when you recruit athletes they are only so good, so prepared, so tough. You can roll out the ball and get results...until you can’t. Rah rah gets you so far...until it doesn’t. Even 18-22 year old, high level athletes need coaching, good old fashioned, boring, repetitive coaching.
Of course I know nothing about the team dynamic or Wojo, but to me it seems a lack of confidence in the management and true development of the guys. Maybe he is a great number two (tough but the friend). What do I know, though.
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Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
Solid. They are kids, this is college, is should and can be both intense and fun
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Well, regular season is over.
I remember many scoopers saying this year was the year to determine if Wojo stays or goes after last seasons collapse.
What say you? Why should we want to keep Wojo at the helm? If next years class is your response, my answer is we saw what Wojo did with a 2 year AA, and how did that turnout? What about sam and Joey leaving? What makes you believe he could keep the class together if they commit next year?
How can anyone think he’s the answer for the future of MU?
I have always been Pro-jo, and I will reserve final judgment until the conclusion of this season. I am still hoping we go on a run and win a couple games in the NCAA tournament. But, lets say we lose against Seton Hall and then exit in the first round, I would be supportive of showing him the door. That would be two complete collapses in a row.
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Why would you let the next two games determine whether or not we hire or fire him. At this point he either deserves to be fired or not depending on which JO camp you are in.
The total collapse has already happened.
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Why would you let the next two games determine whether or not we hire or fire him. At this point he either deserves to be fired or not depending on which JO camp you are in.
The total collapse has already happened.
So if he went to a final four or won it all you'd still elect to fire him? Got it.
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Mike Deane ring a bell? And his resume upon his firing was stronger than Wojo’s.
I think we need to immediately get WoJo some Mike Deane gold frame smoke tint glasses. That should at least equal 3 more wins. I found the 6'6" switchables much more entertaining compared to this brand of ball. #MarquetteWing
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So if he went to a final four or won it all you'd still elect to fire him? Got it.
I’ll bet you $1,000 to charity we aren’t going to a Final Four with your own option to roll it forward on winning it all for $10,000.
The same crap was said when people were bitching last year before the tournament started. And guess what we get blown out in the first round. What’s the point of posing a hypothetical that has a virtual zero percent chance of happening? The whole MU team could catch Coronavirus and forfeit their bid to the tourney. What happens then? How would we view Wojo if that happened?
Our only realistic chance at a win before the season ends is an upset over Hall or a win in the 8/9 or 7/10 game (which would undoubtedly be followed by a shellacking by Dayton or Baylor, et al). We’ve lost 6 of 7. We lost to DePaul and St Johns when we really could’ve used wins. We took bottom half of Big East standings. We aren’t and won’t be ranked before seasons end. We are graduating a senior-heavy team production-wise. It is what it is at this point. There’s really no more “wait and see” on this season. If you want to play “wait and see” for next season or 2022 or 2025, that at least makes rational sense. I’m not sure what we would be waiting to see this season.
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Why would you let the next two games determine whether or not we hire or fire him. At this point he either deserves to be fired or not depending on which JO camp you are in.
The total collapse has already happened.
Because I judge on the entirety of the season. The season has not ended yet. It is that simple. And the NCAA tournament, right or wrong, carries significantly more weight than any of the other games.
If we win an NCAA tournament game, and lose in the second round, I would be willing to give Wojo another year. If we go to the Sweet 16 or better, I am happy. If we lose out, I'd be ok letting him go.
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If we lose to SH on Thursday and a first round loss in the tournament, we will close out the season with five consecutive losses. We lost four straight to end '13-'14 and lost six straight near the end of '14-'15.
Last time we had 5+ losses to close out a season? 1988. Lost the last six that year to Evansville, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Valparaiso, Creighton and DePaul.
We are due for a win, right?
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Because I judge on the entirety of the season. The season has not ended yet. It is that simple. And the NCAA tournament, right or wrong, carries significantly more weight than any of the other games.
If we win an NCAA tournament game, and lose in the second round, I would be willing to give Wojo another year. If we go to the Sweet 16 or better, I am happy. If we lose out, I'd be ok letting him go.
Unsure if you’re a Projo or not but one of the patented arguments they use is that the tournament is a “crapshoot” and not an accurate indicator of coach / program success.
If Projos want to use that to build Wojo up despite his lack of tournament success, it would be a glaring plot hole in their tragic production if they used an NCAA win to validate an otherwise mediocre Big East season.
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I’ll bet you $1,000 to charity we aren’t going to a Final Four with your own option to roll it forward on winning it all for $10,000.
The same crap was said when people were bitching last year before the tournament started. And guess what we get blown out in the first round. What’s the point of posing a hypothetical that has a virtual zero percent chance of happening? The whole MU team could catch Coronavirus and forfeit their bid to the tourney. What happens then? How would we view Wojo if that happened?
Our only realistic chance at a win before the season ends is an upset over Hall or a win in the 8/9 or 7/10 game (which would undoubtedly be followed by a shellacking by Dayton or Baylor, et al). We’ve lost 6 of 7. We lost to DePaul and St Johns when we really could’ve used wins. We took bottom half of Big East standings. We aren’t and won’t be ranked before seasons end. We are graduating a senior-heavy team production-wise. It is what it is at this point. There’s really no more “wait and see” on this season. If you want to play “wait and see” for next season or 2022 or 2025, that at least makes rational sense. I’m not sure what we would be waiting to see this season.
Then why is Wojo being fired discussed in multiple threads here?
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Unsure if you’re a Projo or not but one of the patented arguments they use is that the tournament is a “crapshoot” and not an accurate indicator of coach / program success.
If Projos want to use that to build Wojo up despite his lack of tournament success, it would be a glaring plot hole in their tragic production if they used an NCAA win to validate an otherwise mediocre Big East season.
I guess I am a "projo" because I have generally been supportive of him. However, I do not think the NCAA tournament is a pure crapshoot. There is always some luck involved, but it is not a crapshoot. Good teams and good coaches win in March.
I judge on the entire body of work. However, NCAA tournament games carry more weight than others.
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Then why is Wojo being fired discussed in multiple threads here?
Not sure you know the difference between a hypothetical and an opinion? Now I know you weren’t an English or Philosophy major at MU.
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Then why is Wojo being fired discussed in multiple threads here?
Also Wojo being fired at the end of this year is about 100x more likely than us going to a Final Four. They’re both unlikely, agreed.
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I’ll bet you $1,000 to charity we aren’t going to a Final Four with your own option to roll it forward on winning it all for $10,000.
The same crap was said when people were bitching last year before the tournament started. And guess what we get blown out in the first round. What’s the point of posing a hypothetical that has a virtual zero percent chance of happening? The whole MU team could catch Coronavirus and forfeit their bid to the tourney. What happens then? How would we view Wojo if that happened?
Our only realistic chance at a win before the season ends is an upset over Hall or a win in the 8/9 or 7/10 game (which would undoubtedly be followed by a shellacking by Dayton or Baylor, et al). We’ve lost 6 of 7. We lost to DePaul and St Johns when we really could’ve used wins. We took bottom half of Big East standings. We aren’t and won’t be ranked before seasons end. We are graduating a senior-heavy team production-wise. It is what it is at this point. There’s really no more “wait and see” on this season. If you want to play “wait and see” for next season or 2022 or 2025, that at least makes rational sense. I’m not sure what we would be waiting to see this season.
Has Dayton even beat a tournament team? I would love that second round matchup
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Has Dayton even beat a tournament team? I would love that second round matchup
Yes 18-0 in their conference bring them to us!
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Not sure you know the difference between a hypothetical and an opinion? Now I know you weren’t an English or Philosophy major at MU.
Right, and we're discussing Stan, Wardle, D2 and D3 coaches as replacements for Wojo.
So are we discussing hypotheticals about Wojo being fired or...?
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Yes 18-0 in their conference bring them to us!
Lol. Dayton would absolutely annihilate us.
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Who would of ever thought that winning 5 more regular season games than North Carolina would be a bad season?
NC was crushed by injuries. Imagine if we only had six available scholarship players, not including Markus. Any guess what are record would be?
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Here's my theory: our players are not having fun -- they're playing with too much pressure.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not crappy game planning. It's not the wrong lineups. It's not lack of hustle or effort. For whatever reason, our guys are playing scared or nervous, and it's causing them to make way too many mistakes. What's killing us right now? Too many turnovers and committing too many fouls. That comes from playing tight.
You can see it in their eyes, even early in the St. John's game. The St. John's guys were smiling, having fun. Our guys were tense, looked unhappy (even after good plays), like they were carrying around the weight of the world.
Wojo needs to figure out how to take the pressure off the players and let them play freely, to have fun playing the game. I don't know if he can do it, but that's what it's going to take. Look especially at the guys that are struggling the most: Koby and Brendan. They are talented kids, but it's almost like they're paralyzed with fear on the court.
I agree with all of this with the exception of the game planning.
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Right, and we're discussing Stan, Wardle, D2 and D3 coaches as replacements for Wojo.
So are we discussing hypotheticals about Wojo being fired or...?
You just can’t help but dive into the sludge. PettyWorld ate the trash again.
Argue with me about what my post was actually about. Do you think there’s a run we are about to go on? Do you think we have a real shot at a Final Four? Do you think Wojo can win the Big East tourney and make this all go away?
You know the answer to all those questions and you know your Projoism looks a little foolish at this point. So your best response is diving into the sludge and playing semantics. It’s your best chance at maybe coming out looking “right”.
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Lol. Dayton would absolutely annihilate us.
They might annihilate us, but I'd rather take my chances against Dayton than one of the other #1 seeds. Their only win over a tourney team was St. Mary's (ESPN 8 seed). They also beat Richmond (ESPN first 4 out).
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Also Wojo being fired at the end of this year is about 100x more likely than us going to a Final Four. They’re both unlikely, agreed.
Hard, hard, hard disagree. A Final Four is far more likely than Wojo being fired. Unless he murders someone on Wisconsin Avenue, he will not be fired. The only way he leaves is if he's hired away.
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They might annihilate us, but I'd rather take my chances against Dayton than one of the other #1 seeds. Their only win over a tourney team was St. Mary's (ESPN 8 seed). They also beat Richmond (ESPN first 4 out).
They took #1 overall Kansas to OT (granted early in the season). If I’m a fan of that team - I have no worries about playing with the big boys. Marquette would not scare me.
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Hard, hard, hard disagree. A Final Four is far more likely than Wojo being fired. Unless he murders someone on Wisconsin Avenue, he will not be fired. The only way he leaves is if he's hired away.
If I woke up from a coma in 1 month and read the JS sports section front page I would be a lot more surprised by:
“It’s not midnight yet for the Golden Eagles”
than
“Marquette, Wojo part ways”
Maybe that’s just me.
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If I woke up from a coma in 1 month and read the JS sports section front page I would be a lot more surprised by:
“It’s not midnight yet for the Golden Eagles”
than
“Marquette, Wojo part ways”
Maybe that’s just me.
I think the only way we reach the Final Four is if every other team in our region forfeits due to coronavirus. But I think that's more likely than Marquette firing Wojo.
I don't expect anyone to like it but I think there's zero chance he gets fired. Not with that contract.
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At this point Im not so sure teams having to forfeit due to corona is that farfetched of an idea. Gonzaga is toast!!!!!!!!
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I think the only way we reach the Final Four is if every other team in our region forfeits due to coronavirus. But I think that's more likely than Marquette firing Wojo.
I don't expect anyone to like it but I think there's zero chance he gets fired. Not with that contract.
Homer tweeted the exact same thing and was called a lapdog for the administration.
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Homer tweeted the exact same thing and was called a lapdog for the administration.
So now Marquette University is paying people to spread the word on MUScoop that Wojo is going nowhere?
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Homer's Job depends on him being a lapdog, there is no chance hes ever going to have a pessimistic view on any coaching / admin topic.
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You just can’t help but dive into the sludge. PettyWorld ate the trash again.
Argue with me about what my post was actually about. Do you think there’s a run we are about to go on? Do you think we have a real shot at a Final Four? Do you think Wojo can win the Big East tourney and make this all go away?
You know the answer to all those questions and you know your Projoism looks a little foolish at this point. So your best response is diving into the sludge and playing semantics. It’s your best chance at maybe coming out looking “right”.
I call out inconsistencies. And you get big mad about it. Be consistent and it won't be an issue.
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Homer tweeted the exact same thing and was called a lapdog for the administration.
Not exact. Homer said he wasn't leaving. I didn't say that, I said he wouldn't be fired. If the right escape hatch job is available, I could see him leaving. But I am confident Marquette won't initiate it.
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I call out inconsistencies. And you get big mad about it. Be consistent and it won't be an issue.
Not at all. You dive into embarrassing (for you) semantic games and refuse to argue the macro points at hand that concern the program (i.e. is Wojo a good coach? Who might be a good replacement if it got to that point? Does Marquette have a run in them still in 2020?). You haven’t yet addressed any of those points directly to me, which makes your posts objectively bad and unproductive.
The thing is, you used to actually argue the macro points. Now you have no more ammunition. So rather than own that fact, you try to drag everyone that disagreed with you (and ended up being right!) into these semantic games so that you can eventually come out and say “check it out guys I was right along”. Even though now we’re arguing about something completely different than the original point being discussed. It was really pretty easy to figure out.
Really sad state of affairs at PettyWorld HQ...
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Hard, hard, hard disagree. A Final Four is far more likely than Wojo being fired. Unless he murders someone on Wisconsin Avenue, he will not be fired. The only way he leaves is if he's hired away.
So sad. He is absolutely not cutting the mustard at MU. People need to turn the heat up on Wojo, and not the hot steam that you have for him.
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Not exact. Homer said he wasn't leaving. I didn't say that, I said he wouldn't be fired. If the right escape hatch job is available, I could see him leaving. But I am confident Marquette won't initiate it.
Then it is done. The decision makers at MU jave made a big mistake and have no balls to correct it.
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So sad. He is absolutely not cutting the mustard at MU. People need to turn the heat up on Wojo, and not the hot steam that you have for him.
It appears the only way the heat gets turned up is if the admin/BOT see the $$$$ head lower. Until then, they will not care how bad a coach Wojo is and how /goodpoor the results are.
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So sad. He is absolutely not cutting the mustard at MU. People need to turn the heat up on Wojo, and not the hot steam that you have for him.
I'm out on Wojo and am not sure he can win me back. But just because I'd like to see Marquette go in another direction doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the reality that the only way that happens this off-season is if someone else takes him off our hands.
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Are there any examples of major conference coaches (P6) that “voluntarily” took a “new opportunity” in a lower tier conference?
Wojo needs to coach the remainder of this season like his career is on the line. Not just for Marquette, but for himself. A strong finish to this year should reopen those soft landing spots like Va Tech, BC, Wake Forest, etc. He has really tied himself in a pretzel these last few years and has no one to blame but himself.
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Why do so many people think Wojo will bolt?
He was a player that knew the word persistence.
I know some people are hoping for that, but we will see what he is really made of at the end of the season.
Sorry, I just don't see him as a bolter/quitter like our last three coaches.
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Why do so many people think Wojo will bolt?
He was a player that knew the word persistence.
I know some people are hoping for that, but we will see what he is really made of at the end of the season.
Sorry, I just don't see him as a bolter/quitter like our last three coaches.
I'm pretty sure we already know/have already seen over the last six years what he is made of.
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Wasn't there some evidence of a plane going from Waukesha to Va Tech last spring? Maybe we can spend our April reviewing similar data and reaching illogical conclusions.
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So now Marquette University is paying people to spread the word on MUScoop that Wojo is going nowhere?
Actually, they pay MUScoop directly. We are chicos.
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Do you guys know how much money Wojo is making? Over 2M, MU is not paying out his contract, Dick Strong is gone, and Wojo is not going to a lesser program. I am excited to see the new recruits next year, we will really see how he can coach. No more 1 man team, nice to see a 5 man team.
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Spot on. Best comment about the slide I’ve seen yet.
Koby has been tense since December. His shot hasn’t fallen the way it should and he plays tentative. Brendan passed up more open looks at DePaul than did the M/C at the Miss Universe contest.
These guys remind me of a college student who has studied her lights out for an exam but is so wound up she lets her fear get the best of her. She underperforms because she focuses on what she doesn’t know rather than what she knows.
At some point, hopefully this week, Coach Wojo says, “just go out there and have fun. If we get beat by 40, so be it. But let ‘em rip and do things you do best!
“Oh, and Theo... please, please stop dribbling the ball. Just put it in the basket ... take the damn defender through the rim with you if you have to, but don’t dribble!”
I agree with you and ManeCity. We look tight as a drum out there. Once we fall hopelessly behind (see St Johns Saturday) we revert to playing by instinct and look good again. Wojo (IMO) has the team so wound up and afraid of making mistakes that we make them in bunches.
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I agree with you and ManeCity. We look tight as a drum out there. Once we fall hopelessly behind (see St Johns Saturday) we revert to playing by instinct and look good again. Wojo (IMO) has the team so wound up and afraid of making mistakes that we make them in bunches.
Absolutely agree with this. Players ultimately reflect their coach. True across sports. Recall Al’s great line about his teams being a reflection of him, obnoxious and arrogant. MU is weak, soft, and clueless under our fair haired Dukie.
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Honest question, how many high level coaches are not wound up tight? I mean, seriously. It's not like Coach K, Cal, Roy, Izzo, Beard, Self, Boeheim, Pittino (when he was coaching college), Huggins, Donovan (when he was coaching college), Buzz, Bruce Pearl, Bo Ryan (when he was on the sidelines), etc. are the coolest, calmest dudes in the world sitting over there on the sideline.
Few, Jay Wright, and Tony Bennett are by and large fairly calm on the sidelines, but they have no issue ripping into a ref when they see fit (and up until the last half decade or so they all had the label of guys who "couldn't win the big game").
I'd say coaches who are NOT wound up tight as can be on the sidelines are the exception, certainly not the rule.
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The key for Wojo is to find a way to get his players to play loose and have fun. Wojo can stay tight, the veins in his forehead and neck can rupture for all I care, if he can take the pressure off the kids.
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They might annihilate us, but I'd rather take my chances against Dayton than one of the other #1 seeds. Their only win over a tourney team was St. Mary's (ESPN 8 seed). They also beat Richmond (ESPN first 4 out).
Lol i would love Dayton. 4th or 5th place team thus year in the BE
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Lol i would love Dayton. 4th or 5th place team thus year in the BE
I think this place would explode when the Flyers beat us by 20.
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Lol i would love Dayton. 4th or 5th place team thus year in the BE
So no to crack.
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Lol i would love Dayton. 4th or 5th place team thus year in the BE
This is a quality take.
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Lol i would love Dayton. 4th or 5th place team thus year in the BE
Lol
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The key for Wojo is to find a way to get his players to play loose and have fun. Wojo can stay tight, the veins in his forehead and neck can rupture for all I care, if he can take the pressure off the kids.
Boy, I sure hope he did something to loosen them up... Make basketball fun again
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Mike Deane ring a bell? And his resume upon his firing was stronger than Wojo’s.
Not really. He had a losing record his last year and did not want to work hard at recruiting.
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I am not sure MU actually faded this season. Looking at the results, I think it was more of a reflection of how the schedule played out. We started out 1-3 losing to three teams that swept us. We swept two teams Xavier and Georgetown. We split with Villanova, St. John's, Butler and DePaul. The four teams we split with were all home wins and road losses. 3 of the four we played at home first. In all of MU games the wins were bigger or the losses were less in games at the Fiserv, which clearly shows MU was much better at home.
Home margin Road margin
Villanova +5 -1
St. John's +14 -2
Butler +19 -4 OT
DePaul +4 -1
All four of these road losses were close games. Assuming the home court advantage is 4 points, MU would of won all four of these road games, if they were played at the Fiserv.
Switch the home and away games around in these four home and homes and it would not look like MU faded at the end of the season.
Other Big East games
Home Away
Creighton -8 -17
Providence -1 OT -12
Seton Hall -9 -14
Xavier 20 2 OT
Georgetown 21 4
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I am not sure MU actually faded this season. Looking at the results, I think it was more of a reflection of how the schedule played out. We started out 1-3 losing to three teams that swept us. We swept two teams Xavier and Georgetown. We split with Villanova, St. John's, Butler and DePaul. The four teams we split with were all home wins and road losses. 3 of the four we played at home first. In all of MU games the wins were bigger or the losses were less in games at the Fiserv, which clearly shows MU was much better at home.
Home margin Road margin
Villanova +5 -1
St. John's +14 -2
Butler +19 -4 OT
DePaul +4 -1
All four of these road losses were close games. Assuming the home court advantage is 4 points, MU would of won all four of these road games, if they were played at the Fiserv.
Switch the home and away games around in these four home and homes and it would not look like MU faded at the end of the season.
Other Big East games
Home Away
Creighton -8 -17
Providence -1 OT -12
Seton Hall -9 -14
Xavier 20 2 OT
Georgetown 21 4
Getting smoked wire to wire by Seton Hall at our own barbecue, finishing the DePaul game limp-dicked with a deer-in-the-headlights look, and coming out totally flat/lifeless @ St. John's says otherwise.
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I am not sure MU actually faded this season. Looking at the results, I think it was more of a reflection of how the schedule played out. We started out 1-3 losing to three teams that swept us. We swept two teams Xavier and Georgetown. We split with Villanova, St. John's, Butler and DePaul. The four teams we split with were all home wins and road losses. 3 of the four we played at home first. In all of MU games the wins were bigger or the losses were less in games at the Fiserv, which clearly shows MU was much better at home.
Home margin Road margin
Villanova +5 -1
St. John's +14 -2
Butler +19 -4 OT
DePaul +4 -1
All four of these road losses were close games. Assuming the home court advantage is 4 points, MU would of won all four of these road games, if they were played at the Fiserv.
Switch the home and away games around in these four home and homes and it would not look like MU faded at the end of the season.
Other Big East games
Home Away
Creighton -8 -17
Providence -1 OT -12
Seton Hall -9 -14
Xavier 20 2 OT
Georgetown 21 4
I’ll take whatever you’re having!
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Getting smoked wire to wire by Seton Hall at our own barbecue, finishing the DePaul game limp-dicked with a deer-in-the-headlights look, and coming out totally flat/lifeless @ St. John's says otherwise.
word.
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I am not sure MU actually faded this season. Looking at the results, I think it was more of a reflection of how the schedule played out. We started out 1-3 losing to three teams that swept us. We swept two teams Xavier and Georgetown. We split with Villanova, St. John's, Butler and DePaul. The four teams we split with were all home wins and road losses. 3 of the four we played at home first. In all of MU games the wins were bigger or the losses were less in games at the Fiserv, which clearly shows MU was much better at home.
Home margin Road margin
Villanova +5 -1
St. John's +14 -2
Butler +19 -4 OT
DePaul +4 -1
All four of these road losses were close games. Assuming the home court advantage is 4 points, MU would of won all four of these road games, if they were played at the Fiserv.
Switch the home and away games around in these four home and homes and it would not look like MU faded at the end of the season.
Other Big East games
Home Away
Creighton -8 -17
Providence -1 OT -12
Seton Hall -9 -14
Xavier 20 2 OT
Georgetown 21 4
Kind of like how the Germans won WW II
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Yeah ... I'm having trouble finding many positives about the way each of the last two seasons ended.
The best I can do is ... Hey, at least nobody on the team got the coronavirus.
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Yeah ... I'm having trouble finding many positives about the way each of the last two seasons ended.
The best I can do is ... Hey, at least nobody on the team got the coronavirus.
Would they even be able to get tested if they had symptoms? Maybe we can leave it at “nobody on the team that we know of tested positive.”
😉
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Because they weren't within 6 feet of anybody on defense.
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Would they even be able to get tested if they had symptoms? Maybe we can leave it at “nobody on the team that we know of tested positive.”
😉
As far as we know, no Big East basketball player has tested positive. I am not sure they would tell us if someone did.
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Because they weren't within 6 feet of anybody on defense.
Funny man.
Woulda been even funnier if you didn't use teal!