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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: PGsHeroes32 on March 07, 2020, 11:43:41 AM
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Are there still clowns that defend this guy??
He is an absolute black eye on the program. He plays defense?? Hes getting torched. There is not one thing he does well on the floor.
A mid half time transfer is what this team needs.
Multiplication by subtraction, hes that bad.
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An honest question, but does anyone know if he is going to graduate?
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An honest question, but does anyone know if he is going to graduate?
Unless his schoolwork is infinitely better than his basketball IQ, sadly I doubt it.
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I'm not thrilled with Wojo's results but lay off Koby.
Koby is busting his but to play as well as he can for our team. I'm sure he is a first class person like Wojo and the rest of the team. Outside of wins and losses this is a coach and team we can be proud of as MU fans.
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Are there still clowns that defend this guy??
He is an absolute black eye on the program. He plays defense?? Hes getting torched. There is not one thing he does well on the floor.
A mid half time transfer is what this team needs.
Multiplication by subtraction, hes that bad.
Black eye on the program? For not being a great basketball player? Grow up dude
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I'm not thrilled with Wojo's results but lay off Koby.
Koby is busting his but to play as well as he can for our team. I'm sure he is a first class person like Wojo and the rest of the team. Outside of wins and losses this is a coach and team we can be proud of as MU fans.
Agree. Don’t dog the players.
Coaches, that’s another story.
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Black eye on the program? For not being a great basketball player? Grow up dude
I'm grown.
The problem is Koby has not grown up.
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I'm not thrilled with Wojo's results but lay off Koby.
Koby is busting his but to play as well as he can for our team. I'm sure he is a first class person like Wojo and the rest of the team. Outside of wins and losses this is a coach and team we can be proud of as MU fans.
Sure he is a nice person, but he has been a not so nice basketball player.
In the last five games, including today with a half to go:
5 made field goals at 26%
17 total points
16 turnovers
16 fouls
Not good and has been that way throughout the BE season. Maybe he can clean the slate for BE tournament.
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I'm grown.
The problem is Koby has not grown up.
He's 22, calm down champ.
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Any thread calling out a college kid and personally attacking him is immeasurably douchey. Be better.
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Sure he is a nice person, but he has been a not so nice basketball player.
In the last five games, including today with a half to go:
5 made field goals at 26%
17 total points
16 turnovers
16 fouls
Not good and has been that way throughout the BE season. Maybe he can clean the slate for BE tournament.
I have zero problem with fans calling for Wojo to sit him. I can support the position that he's not BE worthy in talent (that's on Wojo). But I have no doubt he's doing the best he can for MU and I can appreciate him for that.
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I have zero problem with fans calling for Wojo to sit him. I can support the position that he's not BE worthy in talent (that's on Wojo). But I have no doubt he's doing the best he can for MU and I can appreciate him for that.
Yup, no problem with the guy, but he has not been the player as expected and his play was a big detriment to the team all season. Probably the worst stats of a second guard in the Big East. Can he turn it around for two more games, who knows.
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Any thread calling out a college kid and personally attacking him is immeasurably douchey. Be better.
He's an adult.
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He's an adult.
That the difference between him and you. Dope
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That the difference between him and you. Dope
Apparently not, he was called a kid, dope.
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Personal attacks are not good. Game stuff different story. I dont blame Koby we as fans know what he brings. Sad thing is our coach doesnt and chose to put him in the game 3 times in the second half, all with predictable results. And we lost by 2. Gonna argue we win if koby doesnt play
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I don’t agree with attacking him personally or calling him names but his play has been very very disappointing. His play in the last 6-7 games has cost us all those games.
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I'm not thrilled with Wojo's results but lay off Koby.
Koby is busting his but to play as well as he can for our team. I'm sure he is a first class person like Wojo and the rest of the team. Outside of wins and losses this is a coach and team we can be proud of as MU fans.
I agree. Lay off Koby. He’s had a tough year.
The head coach is the one who is the adult making millions and makes the PT decisions.
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I agree. Lay off Koby. He’s had a tough year.
The head coach is the one who is the adult making millions and makes the PT decisions.
That is brutal sports logic.
Does Wojo deserve blame for continuing to play him??? Absolutely.
But the "blame the coach" only trope is exactly why teams like the Cleveland Browns are always looking for new coaches and are always terrible. Or in hockey when like 90% of coach firings come from teams with bottom 10 goal tending. It's never just the coach
At some point the full picture needs to be realized
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I agree. Lay off Koby. He’s had a tough year.
The head coach is the one who is the adult making millions and makes the PT decisions.
It took him 29 1/2 games to bench him and Elliott played much better than him.
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Apparently not, he was called a kid, dope.
And you called him an adult, Einstein. Jesus. You graduated from Marquette? Every time you post on here my degree seems less and less valuable.
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He's 22, calm down champ.
He’ s 22, how old does one need to be to be held accountable for their actions?? 25?, 27? Never?
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He’ s 22, how old does one need to be to be held accountable for their actions?? 25?, 27? Never?
Being call “an absolute black eye on the program” isn’t being held accountable. It’s an attack on him personally. For not playing a game as well as expected. It’s pure fukking trash.
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He’ s 22, how old does one need to be to be held accountable for their actions?? 25?, 27? Never?
lol what. No, I dont hold him accountable for getting major minutes when he is playing poorly. That is on the coach to limit his minutes. You want to state koby is playing bad? cool. Great analysis, no one is disagreeing. Don't blame the kid because he keeps getting granted playing time.
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"black eye on the program" is silly. He's not that. He's just not good at basketball. At all.
Watching him is a similar experience to watching Derrick Wilson, except a little worse. Derrick couldn't do anything on offense, so it was like playing 4 on 5. Koby actively sabatoges the offense with his decision making and turnovers. It's like playing 4 on 6.
I'm curious what film sessions are like? Does Koby see what he is doing and doesn't have the ability to fix it?
Also, why did it take 29.5 games for Wojo to park him? Was he trying to fulfill recruiting promises?
I guess more questions than answers, but that's where we are right now.
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Being call “an absolute black eye on the program” isn’t being held accountable. It’s an attack on him personally. For not playing a game as well as expected. It’s pure fukking trash.
Totally agree.
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"black eye on the program" is silly. He's not that. He's just not good at basketball. At all.
Watching him is a similar experience to watching Derrick Wilson, except a little worse. Derrick couldn't do anything on offense, so it was like playing 4 on 5. Koby actively sabatoges the offense with his decision making and turnovers. It's like playing 4 on 6.
I'm curious what film sessions are like? Does Koby see what he is doing and doesn't have the ability to fix it?
Also, why did it take 29.5 games for Wojo to park him? Was he trying to fulfill recruiting promises?
I guess more questions than answers, but that's where we are right now.
100% spot on!!
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And you called him an adult, Einstein. Jesus. You graduated from Marquette? Every time you post on here my degree seems less and less valuable.
Haha my god you can't have it both ways. Is this a natural stupidity?
I am told I can't attack a kid but a poser as an adult.
I say that said kid is an adult as well.
You now say hes the adult and I am the child.
So whats the issue with a kid calling out an adult? The 13 year old down the street can't say Andrew Wiggins is a bust???
But hey, I guess I am an impressive "kid" if I am 17 that means I was able to start posting at 7. I was always advanced for my age.
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Being call “an absolute black eye on the program” isn’t being held accountable. It’s an attack on him personally. For not playing a game as well as expected. It’s pure fukking trash.
It's an attack on his basketball skills.
Never once was it stated that Koby is an awful human being
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That is brutal sports logic.
Does Wojo deserve blame for continuing to play him??? Absolutely.
But the "blame the coach" only trope is exactly why teams like the Cleveland Browns are always looking for new coaches and are always terrible. Or in hockey when like 90% of coach firings come from teams with bottom 10 goal tending. It's never just the coach
At some point the full picture needs to be realized
Talk about 'brutal logic', I think you nailed it.
You do realize college basketball head coaches pick their own players and assistant coaches?
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Haha my god you can't have it both ways. Is this a natural stupidity?
I am told I can't attack a kid but a poser as an adult.
I say that said kid is an adult as well.
You now say hes the adult and I am the child.
So whats the issue with a kid calling out an adult? The 13 year old down the street can't say Andrew Wiggins is a bust???
But hey, I guess I am an impressive "kid" if I am 17 that means I was able to start posting at 7. I was always advanced for my age.
Someone refers to him as a kid. YOU respond by calling him an adult. I call you out on that and you respond by pointing out that someone else called him a kid. And I’m the one trying to have it both ways?
No one is saying he can’t be criticized. No one.
You went out on a ledge and called him a black eye to the program. By your standard so is Robert Frozena. He wasn’t a great player. Did it mean he was a “black eye” to the program?
People are calling you out for stupidity. Just take your ball and go home. The more you try and defend your hyperbole the dumber you look.
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Someone refers to him as a kid. YOU respond by calling him an adult. I call you out on that and you respond by pointing out that someone else called him a kid. And I’m the one trying to have it both ways?
No one is saying he can’t be criticized. No one.
You went out on a ledge and called him a black eye to the program. By your standard so is Robert Frozena. He wasn’t a great player. Did it mean he was a “black eye” to the program?
People are calling you out for stupidity. Just take your ball and go home. The more you try and defend your hyperbole the dumber you look.
Bingo. Guy is really doubling down with the "black eye to the program" statement. Just admit it was a mistake to use that phrase and move on.
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Koby needs to be a spot minutes for rest of season. Same with Bailey. Neither have a lick of confidence.
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Bailey needs to gain some more weight, get quicker and stronger. Has along way to go to come a good big East player. Being from Utah, a Mormon, taking 2 years off and maybe not playing against top completion out there, it shows.
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Utah St just knocked off SDSU in the MW Final. They’re 26-8 and ranked for a a couple of weeks. Any chance Koby left because playing time was going to be an issue for him @ USU? i think everyone on the board would assume MU is a better program, but that’s questionable in our current state.
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Utah St just knocked off SDSU in the MW Final. They’re 26-8 and ranked for a a couple of weeks. Any chance Koby left because playing time was going to be an issue for him @ USU? i think everyone on the board would assume MU is a better program, but that’s questionable in our current state.
Lmao? Wtf? Playing time an issue? He was moutain west freshman of the year, shocking how bad he looks rn
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Not to mention that he never played for the current Utah State coach. The guy that recruited him was fired, which I think is one of the reasons he left.
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Strange that no one has picked up on the common theme here with transfers......
Most have been band aids because the original recruiting process hasn't worked out......
Wojo isn't a team builder.
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Strange that no one has picked up on the common theme here with transfers......
Most have been band aids because the original recruiting process hasn't worked out......
Wojo isn't a team builder.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor was Venice, Milan, or Bergamo.
When Steve arrived the cupboard was empty, bare, nada, less than zero, negative, handicapped.
Add to that the academic restrictions, pedigree requirements, image standards and we have what we have, a work in progress. There are one year plans, 5 year plans and 10 year plans.
I'm old, class of 65, then hung around for a few years and watched Al, might never get to see the long range strategic plan come to fruition, oh well. Next year is the next stone to put into place.
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I have zero problem with fans calling for Wojo to sit him. I can support the position that he's not BE worthy in talent (that's on Wojo). But I have no doubt he's doing the best he can for MU and I can appreciate him for that.
Agreed. Making the transition to big time D1 hoops is tough. If he was dogging it or barking at teammates, then he would deserve some criticism. He's not, though. He's working hard, but it's just not working out often enough.
I'm still hopeful he can be Purdue Koby in more games next year. But for now, I'd settle for a few more minutes for Symir and a couple good sequences from Koby for the next few games.
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Yup, no problem with the guy, but he has not been the player as expected and his play was a big detriment to the team all season. Probably the worst stats of a second guard in the Big East. Can he turn it around for two more games, who knows.
Whose fault is that? Message board experts never see a kid, hype him up then are shocked when they don’t play like Cassius Winston or Payton Prichard, that’s who.
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We've seen this at times from Sacar, currently it's Koby and BB, and early in the year it was Jayce and until very recently is was a scourge for Jamal. Lack of confidence.
I'm convinced these guys are all excellent ball players who deserve their spots. It's the head coach and the coaching staff that need to build up their confidence. Everything about Wojo from the offensive style to his substitution patterns (let a guy have an easy basket and you're OK, but foul and you're on the bench) would drive me nuts as a player and could certainly upset the confidence of any player. We've seen from Koby especially that when he's not thinking, he can be awesome. Now, he's too deep in his head to contribute in real time.
Coaches need to coach the players as well as the game. I don't really want to see Koby benched, because I believe he's a superior player to the alternative (Symir) when he's playing with confidence. I'd rather see "last 3 minute Koby" for an entire game.
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In the 18 Big East games, here are Koby's:
Field goals. 45-132 (34%)
Three's. 20-64. (31%)
Turnovers. 50
Fouls. 61
Points. 9.1
He had more turnovers and fouls than field goals made and his shooting percentages were not great. Being he was considered prior to the season starting, as the secondary scorer to Howard, that did not reach the expectations. His turnovers at times, especially passes into the stands, along with his foul trouble are to say the least, perplexing.
The good news is that in three games in which he scored significantly, 22 against Nova, 18 against Xavier and 16 against Butler, they were all victories. The seedings are set and Seton Hall is the opponent. With Gill and Mamu, Wojo cannot go to the small rotation utilized in the second half of the SJU game. Theo and Johnson will play. It should be interesting to see if Wojo starts Koby (I think he will, but short leash), he only played 11 minutes against SJU, because he needs to defend Powell. Maybe, just maybe he can have a game similar those which resulted in wins.
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We've seen this at times from Sacar, currently it's Koby and BB, and early in the year it was Jayce and until very recently is was a scourge for Jamal. Lack of confidence.
I'm convinced these guys are all excellent ball players who deserve their spots. It's the head coach and the coaching staff that need to build up their confidence. Everything about Wojo from the offensive style to his substitution patterns (let a guy have an easy basket and you're OK, but foul and you're on the bench) would drive me nuts as a player and could certainly upset the confidence of any player. We've seen from Koby especially that when he's not thinking, he can be awesome. Now, he's too deep in his head to contribute in real time.
Coaches need to coach the players as well as the game. I don't really want to see Koby benched, because I believe he's a superior player to the alternative (Symir) when he's playing with confidence. I'd rather see "last 3 minute Koby" for an entire game.
In theory i agree with you, but what has been proven to you that Koby is any good? Because he threw in some shots in a spurt against purdue n xavier. Mind u for +\- 20 minutes he has been good this year. I will contend the other 29.5 games he haas not even been mediocre or adequate but horrible.
I think grad transfer is a real option for him and MUs fortunes as Wojo is too stupid to not stop playing him. Even yesterday he kept putting him back in. In the middle of the second half mu is on a run, here comes koby, 10 sec call, standing out if bounds, completely loses his man for a 3, throws the ball into 2nd row. Thanks wojo, sju lead extended.
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I should know better than to put too much into body language, but Koby's isn't good. I think a grad transfer is a definite possibility. Which leaves MU even thinner at guard.
Amazing that Wojo has only brought in three freshman guards since the class of 2016 - Markus, Elliott, Symir. (I guess you could count Dexter?)
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Are there still clowns that defend this guy??
He is an absolute black eye on the program. He plays defense?? Hes getting torched. There is not one thing he does well on the floor.
A mid half time transfer is what this team needs.
Multiplication by subtraction, hes that bad.
Blame the coach. He is the one putting Koby in this position. He recruited him to the program. Pretty clear the Mountain West is not the Big East.
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In the 18 Big East games, here are Koby's:
Field goals. 45-132 (34%)
Three's. 20-64. (31%)
Turnovers. 50
Fouls. 61
Points. 9.1
He had more turnovers and fouls than field goals made and his shooting percentages were not great.
More turnovers and fouls combined (111) than points scored (110) if my quick math is accurate.
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I think lack of confidence is endemic to this program. Not just Koby
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Wasn’t Stan responsible for Koby transfer? This is what I do not understand with the Stan fans. He seems a wonderful recruiter and assistant coach, but he those that want him as next coach are same that take aim at the discrepancies of the team for which he is largely responsible.
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More turnovers and fouls combined (111) than points scored (110) if my quick math is accurate.
Your quick math is inaccurate. If the poster's scoring average is accurate, Koby scored 164 points.
Free throws do matta.
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Your quick math is inaccurate. If the poster's scoring average is accurate, Koby scored 164 points.
Free throws do matta.
Accurate. 164 total.
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Against KenPom A&B teams, Koby's magic # is 100 ORtg
Over 100, we're 6-2 / 75%
Under 100, we're 4-10 / 28.6%
We've lost 6 consecutive A/B games now. Koby's average ORtg per game is 75 over that stretch (for those unfamiliar with the stat that's abysmal).
Tell me which Koby shows up and I'll tell you what our odds are this post season.
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Against KenPom A&B teams, Koby's magic # is 100 ORtg
Over 100, we're 6-2 / 75%
Under 100, we're 4-10 / 28.6%
We've lost 6 consecutive A/B games now. Koby's average ORtg per game is 75 over that stretch (for those unfamiliar with the stat that's abysmal).
Tell me which Koby shows up and I'll tell you what our odds are this post season.
We are due a Jean Felix type game from either Koby or Brendan in a tourney game. Not knowing our matchup, we really need one or both to come through to have any chance to win a game or two.
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Your quick math is inaccurate. If the poster's scoring average is accurate, Koby scored 164 points.
Free throws do matta.
Ahh, FTs not included. 110 from the floor. Good catch.
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We are due a Jean Felix type game from either Koby or Brendan in a tourney game. Not knowing our matchup, we really need one or both to come through to have any chance to win a game or two.
Not necessarily, we could also not play them!!
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Koby has the potential to be an outstanding player. Not his fault, his coach is playing him out of position.
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Koby has the potential to be an outstanding player. Not his fault, his coach is playing him out of position.
He has solid size. Looks strong and also looks quick off the dribble. However he just doesnt seem to know how properly drive and finish. No moves. Bad shooting. Turnover machine. Its weird. Idk how we put alot of blame on the coaches though. End of the day if the dudes good enough it should show on the court.
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Koby has the potential to be an outstanding player. Not his fault, his coach is playing him out of position.
I don’t t think you are correct on this. Guards should be interchangeable. Both point and shooting guards need to be able to handle the ball, pass and shoot. He looks hesitant doing all three. He was the lynch pin for the season and has not performed as well as we would have liked. Wojo gambled and lost. This can happen. If Kobe with his size and athleticism could have performed more consistently offensively and not turned the ball over frequently MU would be a top ten team (as Sand knit has said multiple times). Hopefully next year will be a more complete team. Wojo is complicit with the failure of this team by his failure to try different lineups. Not necessarily for gambling on Koby.
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Koby has the potential to be an outstanding player. Not his fault, his coach is playing him out of position.
Errrrr, what position is it that he should be playing?
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I was reading an article recently about how the basketball development system in Canada differs from the US. Canada focuses more heavily on skills development for younger kids, and they don't play as many games. The argument was that this is a better system. I didn't necessarily agree, because playing actual games is the only way to develop a feel for the game. Koby might be an example of this. Great individual shooting and dribbling skills, and probably looks great in a workout, but just doesn't have as good of a feel for the game, which makes him less effective.
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Koby has the potential to be an outstanding player. Not his fault, his coach is playing him out of position.
I have the potential to be an outstanding player....., if I was younger, taller, quicker, and had better basketball skills.
Not even once this year have I thought about Kobe as "outstanding". He works hard and is a good rebounder and defender. That's it.
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Great individual shooting and dribbling skills, and probably looks great in a workout, but just doesn't have as good of a feel for the game, which makes him less effective.
If you love 33% from the floor and shoulder high dribbles, then yeah he's great.
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If you love 33% from the floor and shoulder high dribbles, then yeah he's great.
I meant in practice. He might look great doing drills, but put him in a game situation and it just doesn't work.
I think there's a little of this with Markus too. He's probably an amazing 1-1 player in the driveway against his brother, but he just doesn't have as good of a feel for actual game situations.
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I was reading an article recently about how the basketball development system in Canada differs from the US. Canada focuses more heavily on skills development for younger kids, and they don't play as many games. The argument was that this is a better system. I didn't necessarily agree, because playing actual games is the only way to develop a feel for the game. Koby might be an example of this. Great individual shooting and dribbling skills, and probably looks great in a workout, but just doesn't have as good of a feel for the game, which makes him less effective.
Koby isn't going to be doing any video tutorials on the fundamentals of offensive basketball any time soon.
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I have the potential to be an outstanding player....., if I was younger, taller, quicker, and had better basketball skills.
Not even once this year have I thought about Kobe as "outstanding". He works hard and is a good rebounder and defender. That's it.
I'll give him the Xavier game when Markus was hurt. Other than that...
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Look, Koby's play has been nothing short of disappointing. But the words "black eye on the program" is so off-base. There's been no indication he has had poor behavior, a lack of work-ethic, or causing any off-court issues. A black eye to the program is a guy that gets MU in the news for sexual abuse accusations, kicking opponents where it hurts, etc. He's a liability to the current team and nothing more.
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I was reading an article recently about how the basketball development system in Canada differs from the US. Canada focuses more heavily on skills development for younger kids, and they don't play as many games. The argument was that this is a better system. I didn't necessarily agree, because playing actual games is the only way to develop a feel for the game. Koby might be an example of this. Great individual shooting and dribbling skills, and probably looks great in a workout, but just doesn't have as good of a feel for the game, which makes him less effective.
That's how other countries develop for soccer as well. Small sided games/drills. Less scrimmages/full team games.
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I was reading an article recently about how the basketball development system in Canada differs from the US. Canada focuses more heavily on skills development for younger kids, and they don't play as many games. The argument was that this is a better system. I didn't necessarily agree, because playing actual games is the only way to develop a feel for the game. Koby might be an example of this. Great individual shooting and dribbling skills, and probably looks great in a workout, but just doesn't have as good of a feel for the game, which makes him less effective.
I think the AAU culture has hurt Americans play. The games become show off your skill rather than try to win. I have nieces and nephews who are/were very good players and I've watched some AAU tournaments, and I think it is rough basketball for my sensibilities. They play a million games and it doesn't really matter much who wins, it is just how well you did or how good you looked.
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Look, Koby's play has been nothing short of disappointing. But the words "black eye on the program" is so off-base. There's been no indication he has had poor behavior, a lack of work-ethic, or causing any off-court issues. A black eye to the program is a guy that gets MU in the news for sexual abuse accusations, kicking opponents where it hurts, etc. He's a liability to the current team and nothing more.
Totally agree, but to add a point, how you think Koby feels, he watches the film, it must be eating him up inside and probably putting to much pressure on him which
probably causes him to play to tight in games. Not sure who taught him his shot, but does he really have to jump so high on his jump shot when he is so wide open
at times.
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Totally agree, but to add a point, how you think Koby feels, he watches the film, it must be eating him up inside and probably putting to much pressure on him which
probably causes him to play to tight in games. Not sure who taught him his shot, but does he really have to jump so high on his jump shot when he is so wide open
at times.
Not just his shot. He is just way overdoing everything. Needs to calm down to game speed and let things come to him. He is his own worst enemy right now.
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Not just his shot. He is just way overdoing everything. Needs to calm down to game speed and let things come to him. He is his own worst enemy right now.
Since he is 4th year junior, this might be the best we get out of him, which is scary for next year. Elliott has issues and Torrence has a hard time playing D, hope
Akanno can play by sitting out a year to improve his game. At least he has a Big East body, compared to Elliott.
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Kobe leads the Big East in Personal Fouls in 2019-20. It's nice to have a record holder on the team besides Marcus.
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Not just his shot. He is just way overdoing everything. Needs to calm down to game speed and let things come to him. He is his own worst enemy right now.
Agree 100%.
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Interesting takes from Utah State fans. It gets interesting towards the bottom of the thread.
https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52501
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Hopefully he will grad transfer.
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Hopefully he will grad transfer.
Lol, we have zero depth at guard. Me thinks we could use him.
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Lol, we have zero depth at guard. Me thinks we could use him.
The team is worse when he's on the court. I'd rather suck without him than really suck with him.
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Agree if he leaves no way he is replaced by someone worse. I stand by my statement that Chartouney was better.
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Agree if he leaves no way he is replaced by someone worse. I stand by my statement that Chartouney was better.
Such a dismal reality.
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Koby is not a 1. That’s clear. As a 2, I think he’ll be better...more of a comfort zone for him. Handling the ball as much as he did this season, he seemed stressed, anxious. IF Torrance is solid at the 1, and IF Wojo lands a grad transfer or transfer eligible 1, the backcourt will be good. IF Wojo adds a grad transfer big, and IF Mane signs a LOI...and Garcia and Lewis honor their LOI, the team will be sneaky good...and as a first under Wojo...gets better as the season moves along.
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Koby is not a 1. That’s clear. As a 2, I think he’ll be better...more of a comfort zone for him. Handling the ball as much as he did this season, he seemed stressed, anxious. IF Torrance is solid at the 1, and IF Wojo lands a grad transfer or transfer eligible 1, the backcourt will be good. IF Wojo adds a grad transfer big, and IF Mane signs a LOI...and Garcia and Lewis honor their LOI, the team will be sneaky good...and as a first under Wojo...gets better as the season moves along.
I'm not so sure. I think some of our best games were when Koby settled into the role of distributor. He had a few games of 6+ assists and I think we won all of them except one (Creighton). The Butler blowout comes to mind as one his better games. I think he got into more trouble when he decided he was a slasher and was going to get to the hole, no matter what.
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I think he got into more trouble when he decided he was a slasher and was going to get to the hole, no matter what.
Agree 100%. It was a complete sh*t show when drove to the basket.
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Koby was pretty terrible last season. But I hope he sticks around. He definitely can be better, and we're not exactly flush with guard talent atm. The calls for him to leave are just petty.
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Not his fault that he was played out of position. He is not a 1.
Koby single-handedly won 2 games for us this season. He is good, and will be very good if used properly.
It is on the coaches to put the players in position to be most successful.
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Posters tend to be hard on certain players. I remember how this site used to complain about Junior Cadougan. In our year end losing streak, I was wondering how good our team would be , if it had Junior Cadougan?
MU rarely losses less than 10 games a year. Posters on this site go off the wall when we lose a game, which seems like they do not realize we are going to lose to good teams.
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Koby was pretty terrible last season. But I hope he sticks around. He definitely can be better, and we're not exactly flush with guard talent atm. The calls for him to leave are just petty.
I agree. I certainly think he is better than what he showed last season. Seems he just couldn’t get into a rhythm, lost confidence, was not playing freely but instead in his head.
Was baffling though how many times he air mailed passes out of bounds. Don’t know that I ever recall seeing a player do that so frequently.
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Koby was pretty terrible last season. But I hope he sticks around. He definitely can be better, and we're not exactly flush with guard talent atm. The calls for him to leave are just petty.
Thanks for making all of us feel a little bit worse about next year.
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As per Ben Steele article in the JS, Wojo notes that Theo, Koby and Greg need to get to 100% healthy for them to reach their potential. Koby’s thumb was an issue since he hurt it during the NC portion of the schedule.
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Thanks for making all of us feel a little bit worse about next year.
Nice. ::)
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which seems like they do not realize we are going to lose to good teams.
What about back to back losses vs DePaul and st johns
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What about back to back losses vs DePaul and st johns
What about back to back NCAA appearances? Some of you are miserable people.
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What about back to back NCAA appearances? Some of you are miserable people.
Cheeks
You’re like the Muskie fisherman who talks about how many “follows” he had that day. If you don’t get the fish in the boat, who cares?
And BTW, I’ve never met a truly happy man who makes a point of telling others how miserable they are. Perhaps some self reflection is in order.
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I'll take Koby.
You take Derrick Wilson.
any 4 other guys... my team wins more than yours.
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I'll take Koby.
You take Derrick Wilson.
any 4 other guys... my team wins more than yours.
Okay I got DWade, Jimmy, Jae, and Davante to go with Derrick.
You get Ryan Amoroso, Niv Berkowitz, Traci Carter, and Yous Mbao to go with Koby.
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Okay I got DWade, Jimmy, Jae, and Davante to go with Derrick.
You get Ryan Amoroso, Niv Berkowitz, Traci Carter, and Yous Mbao to go with Koby.
Davante over Robert Jackson? That's a crime!
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Davante over Robert Jackson? That's a crime!
Ha yeah I'd take him at the 5 spot too, wouldn't make a difference in this scenario though!
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Ha yeah I'd take him at the 5 spot too, wouldn't make a difference in this scenario though!
You'd be able to run up and down the floor with Jackson. Davante is almost strictly a half court, offensive player. Jackson fits with your other 4 while Davante limits them.
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You'd be able to run up and down the floor with Jackson. Davante is almost strictly a half court, offensive player. Jackson fits with your other 4 while Davante limits them.
Ha I don't disagree. RJax was a better player. But mark my words, Wade/Jimmy/Jae/Davante/Derrick would wipe the floor with Amo/Niv/Carter/Mbao/Koby!
That's the EFR guarantee.
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Koby shot 10/14 from 3 in the first 3 games of the season.
After that he was 25/106 which is 23.6% on 4 attempts/game.
38% on 2s.
I'm going to smash my head into a wall until I'm comatose when he's in the starting lineup and playing 30mpg next year.
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I'll take Koby.
You take Derrick Wilson.
any 4 other guys... my team wins more than yours.
What I like to think you meant is that if the other 4 players are the same (or at least roughly equal), you'll win a lot more with Koby as the 5th than you would with Derrick as the 5th.
I agree completely with that.
However ...
If you really meant that Koby plus any 4 players (no matter how bad) would beat Derrick with any 4 players (no matter how good), your argument is weak bordering on ridiculous ... even for Scoop.
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What I like to think you meant is that if the other 4 players are the same (or at least roughly equal), you'll win a lot more with Koby as the 5th than you would with Derrick as the 5th.
I agree completely with that.
However ...
If you really meant that Koby plus any 4 players (no matter how bad) would beat Derrick with any 4 players (no matter how good), your argument is weak bordering on ridiculous ... even for Scoop.
ha that's how I assume it was meant too, I just thought it would be fun to intentionally misread and take it to an absurd logical end, proving no actual point and wasting everyone's time (mostly my own). mission accomplished??
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is this good
not cool
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is this good
I would rate the intelligence of that poll a 1, unless 1 is the most intelligent. That was never defined, which lowers the intelligence of the poll even more.
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is this good
Incredibly ignorant to judge this kid by what we've seen on the hoops court.
Stuff like this is a black eye on the program's fan base.
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For anyone wondering, the post i deleted was a poll from Anonymous Eagle that I showed with no context.
The poll was referring to his intelligence on defense.
I apologize.
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For anyone wondering, the post i deleted was a poll from Anonymous Eagle that I showed with no context.
The poll was referring to his intelligence on defense.
I apologize.
Yo this is super mature. Everyone makes mistakes. Especially Koby when he has the ball.
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Koby shot 10/14 from 3 in the first 3 games of the season.
After that he was 25/106 which is 23.6% on 4 attempts/game.
38% on 2s.
I'm going to smash my head into a wall until I'm comatose when he's in the starting lineup and playing 30mpg next year.
Koby will be just fine when Howard leaves for NBA....that is a big shadow.
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Koby will be just fine when Howard leaves for NBA....that is a big shadow.
;D ;D cuz anything he did would indicate that 😂😂
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Koby will be just fine when Howard leaves for NBA....that is a big shadow.
I don't think it's quite as simple as that, but I think there may be something to this line of thinking. My perception, and I could absolutely be misremembering, was that Koby never learned how to get in sync with Howard. He seemed to play with more confidence when Howard wasn't on the floor or when Howard was playing poorly and he was being asked to be a lead scorer.
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I don't think it's quite as simple as that, but I think there may be something to this line of thinking. My perception, and I could absolutely be misremembering, was that Koby never learned how to get in sync with Howard. He seemed to play with more confidence when Howard wasn't on the floor or when Howard was playing poorly and he was being asked to be a lead scorer.
Are u kidding? He was atrocious except for 20 mins against purdue n 10 vs X, the rest of rhe season he was an absolute trainwreck even if there were some games his bombs went in he was still a trainwreck
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Are u kidding? He was atrocious except for 20 mins against purdue n 10 vs X, the rest of rhe season he was an absolute trainwreck even if there were some games his bombs went in he was still a trainwreck
His only consistent offensive skill is getting to the line and scoring from the stripe. When he didn’t do that (down the stretch) he is a complete non factor.
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Koby, along with everyone not named Markus, was very inconsistent from the outside. He was at his best when he was driving and initiating contact. Don't know entirely what the roster will look like next year yet, but I would hope that there is more of that all around. We had a lot of games where we fell in love with the three and almost completely went away from anything inside the three point line.
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Moby had plenty of opportunity to prove himself and he failed consistently as a BE competitor. We need better performances to compete in the BE.
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Typo Moby.
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Typo Moby.
Glad it didn't refer to the famous social disease.
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He's an adult.
You remind me of a line from a movie; "You have to grow up, but you can stay immature forever". When you can beat Koby one on one, you can dog him.
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Koby, along with everyone not named Markus, was very inconsistent from the outside. He was at his best when he was driving and initiating contact. Don't know entirely what the roster will look like next year yet, but I would hope that there is more of that all around. We had a lot of games where we fell in love with the three and almost completely went away from anything inside the three point line.
The only guy on our team who could consistently beat his man off the dribble was Markus.
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Moby had plenty of opportunity to prove himself and he failed consistently as a BE competitor. We need better performances to compete in the BE.
He is a whale of a competitor.
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Moby had plenty of opportunity to prove himself and he failed consistently as a BE competitor. We need better performances to compete in the BE.
A tunesmith of the 90s. Great collaboration with Gwen Stephani.
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He is a whale of a competitor.
+100! Excellente, senor!!
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A tunesmith of the 90s. Great collaboration with Gwen Stephani.
"God Moving Over the Face of the Waters" at the end of Heat was phenomenal.
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A tunesmith of the 90s. Great collaboration with Gwen Stephani.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Eminem_-_Without_Me_CD_cover.jpg)
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"God Moving Over the Face of the Waters" at the end of Heat was phenomenal.
"Told you I'm never going back"
Incredible use of the song. Top 5 electronic song all-time.
Digging out the Heat Blu-Ray tomorrow morning.
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Koby, along with everyone not named Markus, was very inconsistent from the outside. He was at his best when he was driving and initiating contact. Don't know entirely what the roster will look like next year yet, but I would hope that there is more of that all around. We had a lot of games where we fell in love with the three and almost completely went away from anything inside the three point line.
1- Markus was also very inconsistent from 3. MH had 7 conference games of 18 in which he shot over 40% from beyond the arc. Doesn’t sound terrible (for his abilities of course), but 4 of the 7 were the last four games of the season. For the first 14 conference games of this season Markus shot over 40% from three in only 3 games, including 3/12, 4/12, 4/18 type of performances.
2- That said, with regards to the “driving and initiating contact” I believe you are right, we will see much much more of that next season. Thing is though, that is when you will also see a ton of the “we can’t shoot for crape!!” and “this team can’t shoot free throws!!!” posts all over this joint.
There is a very high probability that Marquette will be a worse 3P and FT shooting team next season.
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There is a very high probability that Marquette will be a worse 3P and FT shooting team next season.
Wojo inherited an empty cupboard. He needs 5 years to rebuild. Things will look a lot better by 2025.
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1- Markus was also very inconsistent from 3. MH had 7 conference games of 18 in which he shot over 40% from beyond the arc. Doesn’t sound terrible (for his abilities of course), but 4 of the 7 were the last four games of the season. For the first 14 conference games of this season Markus shot over 40% from three in only 3 games, including 3/12, 4/12, 4/18 type of performances.
2- That said, with regards to the “driving and initiating contact” I believe you are right, we will see much much more of that next season. Thing is though, that is when you will also see a ton of the “we can’t shoot for crape!!” and “this team can’t shoot free throws!!!” posts all over this joint.
There is a very high probability that Marquette will be a worse 3P and FT shooting team next season.
I have to be honest. I have heard a lot of criticisms about Markus, but "inconsistent from 3" is certainly a new one.
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Is Moby the new Teve?
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1- Markus was also very inconsistent from 3. MH had 7 conference games of 18 in which he shot over 40% from beyond the arc. Doesn’t sound terrible (for his abilities of course), but 4 of the 7 were the last four games of the season. For the first 14 conference games of this season Markus shot over 40% from three in only 3 games, including 3/12, 4/12, 4/18 type of performances.
2- That said, with regards to the “driving and initiating contact” I believe you are right, we will see much much more of that next season. Thing is though, that is when you will also see a ton of the “we can’t shoot for crape!!” and “this team can’t shoot free throws!!!” posts all over this joint.
There is a very high probability that Marquette will be a worse 3P and FT shooting team next season.
As Jaybee loves telling us, it's about ft rate rather than straight up percentage. Markus was great at drawing fouls and great at making his fts and he will be missed, but if the team identity becomes more drive orientated rather than three point shooting, our ft rate can skyrocket.
Something to keep an eye on. Buzz loved to stress paint touches, I broadened it up to just getting inside the three point line, and last year there would be stretches of as many as 4 or 5 straight possessions where the ball never got closer than 22 feet 1.75 inches to the basket. Just passing around the perimeter, high ball screen, and Markus 3. That won't work now that Markus is gone. We'll still have to shoot our 3's at a respectable clip, but we should be more selective about when we chuck.
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As Jaybee loves telling us, it's about ft rate rather than straight up percentage. Markus was great at drawing fouls and great at making his fts and he will be missed, but if the team identity becomes more drive orientated rather than three point shooting, our ft rate can skyrocket.
Something to keep an eye on. Buzz loved to stress paint touches, I broadened it up to just getting inside the three point line, and last year there would be stretches of as many as 4 or 5 straight possessions where the ball never got closer than 20 feet 9 inches to the basket. Just passing around the perimeter, high ball screen, and Markus 3. That won't work now that Markus is gone. We'll still have to shoot our 3's at a respectable clip, but we should be more selective about when we chuck.
BTW, the 3 point line was 22 feet 1.75 inches last season.
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BTW, the 3 point line was 22 feet 1.75 inches last season.
mea culpa
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Last night Koby and Symir went on instagram live and were answering questions. Some asked how koby's thumb is.
He said that is thumb was feeling good but if he gets hit hard there in a game he might need to come out for a couple plays. Said he hurt it last year in practice when someone ran into his hand during a shooting drill.
Both were asked about DJ and both seemed really happy he is here
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Last night Koby and Symir went on instagram live and were answering questions. Some asked how koby's thumb is.
He said that is thumb was feeling good but if he gets hit hard there in a game he might need to come out for a couple plays. Said he hurt it last year in practice when someone ran into his hand during a shooting drill.
Both were asked about DJ and both seemed really happy he is here
Koby didn't say he thought he needed surgery?
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Koby didn't say he thought he needed surgery?
Did not mention getting surgery
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Did not mention getting surgery
I wonder if as elective surgeries get postponed that he’s going the Theo route of just dealing with it instead of missing time.
I was hopeful a lot of his struggles were thumb related. Maybe it will heal some with time, but was hoping we’d see him with ab healthy hand.
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Did not mention getting surgery
A recent article (don't recall which one) definitely said that Koby, Theo and Greg all needed surgeries they were unable to get at this point.
Speaking of which - just send these guys to Minnesota to get these surgeries. Elective surgeries open back up next week in MN. Need all three of those guys healthy from day 1.
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A recent article (don't recall which one) definitely said that Koby, Theo and Greg all needed surgeries they were unable to get at this point.
Speaking of which - just send these guys to Minnesota to get these surgeries. Elective surgeries open back up next week in MN. Need all three of those guys healthy from day 1.
Yeah, I think it was when Wojo was discussing every player on the roster a week or two back. Which is why I wondered if Koby had mentioned it about himself, which he apparently didn't, which is a little surprising if he actually needs surgery.
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A recent article (don't recall which one) definitely said that Koby, Theo and Greg all needed surgeries they were unable to get at this point.
Speaking of which - just send these guys to Minnesota to get these surgeries. Elective surgeries open back up next week in MN. Need all three of those guys healthy from day 1.
Milwaukee isn't far off. Surgeries that weren't being done are now taking priority for COVID testing over some symptomatic patients. Hospital budgets are getting hammered and the only way to balance the profit margins is surgeries.
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Theo posted a picture on his Snapchat in hospital robes, could be getting surgery?
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At least Sy likes Koby
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1260717712222773249?s=21
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I'm not thrilled with Wojo's results but lay off Koby.
Koby is busting his but to play as well as he can for our team. I'm sure he is a first class person like Wojo and the rest of the team. Outside of wins and losses this is a coach and team we can be proud of as MU fans.
You know my dentist is a really great guy and respected by everyone. The only small issue is he can not fill a tooth but he is a first class person.
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I won't name names, but there are quite a few hot takes in here, and a serving of crow may do some posters some good. 7 game sample size isn't huge, but 4 of those have been against high majors. Let's look at some numbers.
58% from 2 (would be career high if it can be maintained).
42% from 3 (would be career high if it can be maintained).
ORtg of 124.1 (would be career high if it can be maintained).
DRtg of 99.9 (would be career best if it can be maintained)
TS% of 65% (would be career high if it can be maintained).
eFG% of 61% (would be career high if it can be maintained).
TOV% of 16 (would be career best if it can be maintained). Also noteworthy that I can't remember an "into the third row" pass yet
Also, as a side note, whenever we have a guard struggle the "X player is the new Derrick" comments need to stop. Koby got it last year, Sy's getting it right now, and we should really be better than that.
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Koby has been way better than my expectations. Typically, our transfers start slow but we see their potential around middle of the first year. Last year, his decision making & shot selection was questionable at best. He's improved those this year. Still wish he had a better handle, but he's exceeded my expectations to date.
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Koby has benefited greatly from a major change in his role. Credit to him for adapting and to the coaches for working him this way.
He also has matured some, and that has helped keep him from being his own worse enemy.
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Koby has been balling. Love it.
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I was kind of hoping that Koby could kind of morph into a Trent Lockett-ish player this season, but he actually has been better than that.
For one thing, there is nobody I'd rather take a must-have FT.
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Koby has been way better than my expectations. Typically, our transfers start slow but we see their potential around middle of the first year. Last year, his decision making & shot selection was questionable at best. He's improved those this year. Still wish he had a better handle, but he's exceeded my expectations to date.
I thought with a pure PG like Carton, that Koby would flourish.
I agree with your point about last year. The only way he could produce on offense along side Marcus was by trying to do everything himself. Now he can work within the offense. He can give up the ball and expect to get it back again. That didn’t happen last year.
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I was kind of hoping that Koby could kind of morph into a Trent Lockett-ish player this season, but he actually has been better than that.
For one thing, there is nobody I'd rather take a must-have FT.
+1
The reliability at the FT line is huge. He’s the only one I don’t feel nervous about.
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I thought with a pure PG like Carton, that Koby would flourish.
I agree with your point about last year. The only way he could produce on offense along side Marcus was by trying to do everything himself. Now he can work within the offense. He can give up the ball and expect to get it back again. That didn’t happen last year.
Who is Marcus?
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Who is Marcus?
Former teammate of Kobe’s.
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Who is Marcus?
Theater owner who’s pretty good at hoops.
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Former teammate of Kobe’s.
And O'Tule and Elliot
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I was kind of hoping that Koby could kind of morph into a Trent Lockett-ish player this season, but he actually has been better than that.
For one thing, there is nobody I'd rather take a must-have FT.
Koby looks absolutely liberated in this offense right now.
Once DJ started heating up and playing that guy who can get his shot inside or out, the flow of this offense seems to really accentuate Koby's strengths.
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Theater owner who’s pretty good at hoops.
I thought that guys name was Art!