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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on February 23, 2020, 05:53:12 PM
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Losing three in a row has us all having flashbacks to last year's historic collapse. Can Wojo make it two in a row? Or is this just a blip en route to major post-season success?
Frankly I'm quite concerned, losses are one thing - but this team has look clueless and lost the last two games. Wojo stands there biting his upper lip. It just amazes me that this is the same team that was so complete in the Butler win.
Then there's Chicos.
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Losing three in a row has us all having flashbacks to last year's historic collapse. Can Wojo make it two in a row? Or is this just a blip en route to major post-season success.
Frankly I'm quite concerned, losses are one thing - but this team has look clueless and lost the last two games. Wojo stands there biting his upper lip. It just amazes me that this is the same team that was so complete in the Butler win.
Then there' Chicos.
(https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/This-is-Fine-300x300.jpg)
I said this was fine or I said this is expected based on who and where we played? We looked clueless against one of the best teams in the country in Creighton? Ah....could you change one of the responses to “I am a MU fan that pisses and soils myself” and put a picture of you next to it...thanks
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The whole picture:
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Can I answer after Wednesday?
I'm on record that we'll have a 3-1 finish for a 10-8 season and a good NCAA seed. If that happens, not all that concerned.
If we lose Wednesday...
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Can I answer after Wednesday?
I'm on record that we'll have a 3-1 finish for a 10-8 season and a good NCAA seed. If that happens, not all that concerned.
If we lose Wednesday...
Still hoping you win the bet for MU’s sake.
I think we loose to GT, and Johnnies. No analytics in my answer, just a hunch. Hope I’m wrong
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Still hoping you win the bet for MU’s sake.
I think we loose to GT, and Johnnies. No analytics in my answer, just a hunch. Hope I’m wrong
For the love of our alma mater, learn the difference between “lose” and “loose.”
And DePaul is a likelier loss than St. John’s. They looked terrible today. Their spirit was broken by Xavier and Heron is out for the season.
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For the love of our alma mater, learn the difference between “lose” and “loose.”
And DePaul is a likelier loss than St. John’s. They looked terrible today. Their spirit was broken by Xavier and Heron is out for the season.
Yep, I definitely got that one wrong. Sorry Billy
If you prefer I use loss, lose, and loose in three sentences i can?
-Sidney D.
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For the love of our alma mater, learn the difference between “lose” and “loose.”
For the love of our alma mater, learn the difference between not knowing the difference between “lose” and “loose” and a typo.
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Georgetown is a must-win and it is also why we will win. A Georgetown loss and....wait for it.....it will be a 3 game losing streak for them in the conference.
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Can I answer after Wednesday?
I'm on record that we'll have a 3-1 finish for a 10-8 season and a good NCAA seed. If that happens, not all that concerned.
If we lose Wednesday...
LOL a 3-1 finish and you'd be proud?? I'm sure you are assuming wins vs. Georgetown, SJU and DePaul...wow! Wins vs the bottom three teams in the Big east and all is right in the world again??
If that scenario happens, let's look at this closer...shall we??
10 W's..
Butler-1
Xavier-2
Georgetown-2
SJU-2
DePaul-2
Nova-1
9 of the 10 wins in this scenario would be against the current bottom 5 teams in the BE standings..1 win against the top 4...1. Even if they beat SH and go 4-0 down the stretch and go 11-7 instead of 10-8 that still gives them 9-11 wins vs the bottom teams in the Big East...you'd be impressed with that??
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Georgetown is a must-win and it is also why we will win. A Georgetown loss and....wait for it.....it will be a 3 game losing streak for them in the conference.
BS. If our next game was a must win at Creighton we wouldn’t win “because it’s a must win”. We’ll win alright. We’ll win...wait for it...because we’re home...and because they’re down to a handful of scholarship players...and because they stink.
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LOL a 3-1 finish and you'd be proud?? I'm sure you are assuming wins vs. Georgetown, SJU and DePaul...wow! Wins vs the bottom three teams in the Big east and all is right in the world again??
If that scenario happens, let's look at this closer...shall we??
10 W's..
Butler-1
Xavier-2
Georgetown-2
SJU-2
DePaul-2
Nova-1
9 of the 10 wins in this scenario would be against the current bottom 5 teams in the BE standings..1 win against the top 4...1. Even if they beat SH and go 4-0 down the stretch and go 11-7 instead of 10-8 that still gives them 9-11 wins vs the bottom teams in the Big East...you'd be impressed with that??
I didn't use the word proud.
To answer your question anyways...proud of that 4 game stretch? Not particularly. Proud of a 20-10, 10-8 season and a 6ish seed after 2 of our best 3 players bailed? Yes. Absolutely. That's a good season, especially if you add a win in the tournament.
I don't really care how they get to 10-8. I guess I'd prefer some more good wins but that would mean tacking on some bad losses as well.
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BS. If our next game was a must win at Creighton we wouldn’t win “because it’s a must win”. We’ll win alright. We’ll win...wait for it...because we’re home...and because they’re down to a handful of scholarship players...and because they stink.
And yet they continue to surprise teams and play hard. There are no givens in this league. Bad Reporter thinks we will lose. So do others. I think we will win.
And yes, I think it is a must win. Stay Angry Lenny....I love it...your intensity...I can feel it. Your game face is on.
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LOL a 3-1 finish and you'd be proud?? I'm sure you are assuming wins vs. Georgetown, SJU and DePaul...wow! Wins vs the bottom three teams in the Big east and all is right in the world again??
If that scenario happens, let's look at this closer...shall we??
10 W's..
Butler-1
Xavier-2
Georgetown-2
SJU-2
DePaul-2
Nova-1
9 of the 10 wins in this scenario would be against the current bottom 5 teams in the BE standings..1 win against the top 4...1. Even if they beat SH and go 4-0 down the stretch and go 11-7 instead of 10-8 that still gives them 9-11 wins vs the bottom teams in the Big East...you'd be impressed with that??
Now do the same thing for the other teams...low and behold you will find...wait for it...the teams in the upper half usually take care of the teams in the bottom half.
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I didn't use the word proud.
To answer your question anyways...proud of that 4 game stretch? Not particularly. Proud of a 20-10, 10-8 season and a 6ish seed after 2 of our best 3 players bailed? Yes. Absolutely. That's a good season, especially if you add a win in the tournament.
I don't really care how they get to 10-8. I guess I'd prefer some more good wins but that would mean tacking on some bad losses as well.
Exactly, but Guru can never be happy. For his health I hope he cheers for a new team, I really do.
Considering where so many of our “fans” had us 3 months ago, 6 months ago...I will be very proud at that result.
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Considering where so many of our “fans” had us 3 months ago, 6 months ago...I will be very proud at that result.
Wasn’t there a Scoop poll before the season? What were the results? I may be wrong but I believe Pomeroy had us #17 prior to the season. If there were doomsday projections in November on Scoop please point them out rather than being vague (what is “many”?). I’ll hang up and wait for (but won’t expect) an honest answer. LOL
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Mental health wise it absolutely makes sense for guru to support KU or dook
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Now do the same thing for the other teams...low and behold you will find...wait for it...the teams in the upper half usually take care of the teams in the bottom half.
I think part of the problem was many hoped to be an upper half team this year. There is still time, but the trend hasn’t been very good.
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Oh, and Seton Hall is a gimme, hey?
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Mental health wise it absolutely makes sense for guru to support KU or dook
You know what would help me the most?? For MU to win more..win some big games. Play better. It's as simple as that. I don't think that's a monumental ask, is it??
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I think part of the problem was many hoped to be an upper half team this year. There is still time, but the trend hasn’t been very good.
And many here predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT.
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And many here predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT.
I see 5 out of 121 predicted 17-20 wins on Tower's prediction poll from 10/23. SO MANY! https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0)
Of those 5, I was one of them - been sticking with 19 wins all season and I thought then as well as now that 19 was in NCAAs. It depends all on who those 19 wins are against, so predicting NIT from 17-20 wins was a poor assumption in the first place
I like how 2 people voted "Chicos" in this poll. Makes ya wonder...
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I chose Arby's because it is delicious.
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I attribute the appearance of "loose" vice the correct "lose" to the fact that Wisconsin-born Scoopers are not typing but, rather, speaking their posts which, when combined with the Wisconsin accent, results in "loose" populating posts.
The Wisconsin accent is spoken through the nose and characterized by long, flat vowels and clipped consonants.
It is entirely likely that Bad Reporter is speaking into his iPhone while waitin' at da Stop n Go Light on his way ta go by da Tyme machine, ya know, sayin', "Ya, gettin' ready to leave Muwokey here, hey, and doncha know last night I saw Marquette loose anudder one der hey. Yous guys hate dat, too, hey?"
I think there was a bubbler in that sequence, too.
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Oh, and Seton Hall is a gimme, hey?
Zero gimmees in this league. Every game will be tough, including the last two.
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Seems Presutti is tired of Scoop.
See the story: https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en)
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I see 5 out of 121 predicted 17-20 wins on Tower's prediction poll from 10/23. SO MANY! https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0)
Of those 5, I was one of them - been sticking with 19 wins all season and I thought then as well as now that 19 was in NCAAs. It depends all on who those 19 wins are against, so predicting NIT from 17-20 wins was a poor assumption in the first place
I like how 2 people voted "Chicos" in this poll. Makes ya wonder...
???? I don’t understand your last line at all.
Also, not everyone voted. Happy to pull up more than 5 people that in their comments alone said we would not make the NCAAs...either they voted one way and spoke another, or they didn’t vote at all. I know I didn’t vote because it allows me to vote now if I do choose.
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Seems Presutti is tired of Scoop.
See the story: https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en)
I’m glad they are rallying around each other....I’ll bet the boos motivate them on Wednesday.
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I’m glad they are rallying around each other....I’ll bet the boos motivate them on Wednesday.
The fanbase is so damn entitled sometimes. We all want them to play the best, but booing for a tournament team is dumb.
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And yet they continue to surprise teams and play hard. There are no givens in this league. Bad Reporter thinks we will lose. So do others. I think we will win.
And yes, I think it is a must win. Stay Angry Lenny....I love it...your intensity...I can feel it. Your game face is on.
Jack "Goose" Givens played in the SEC.
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Seems Presutti is tired of Scoop.
See the story: https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en)
For those of us without social media what does it say?
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For those of us without social media what does it say?
Seems to be a markus quote: "All I know is we are going to be fine. A lot of people can talk down and say this, say that. We're sticking together as a team. Of course we need to get off to better starts. We need to do a better job of working hard on offense. But no matter what anybody says, no matter what the outcome is, we're sticking together as a team. Nothing is going to separate us. So the students better stfu in the intros and the sweaters vests actually stand up every so often to cheer at a game."
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Seems Presutti is tired of Scoop.
See the story: https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en)
Presutti's wife is a babe. Good man.
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Seems to be a markus quote: "All I know is we are going to be fine. A lot of people can talk down and say this, say that. We're sticking together as a team. Of course we need to get off to better starts. We need to do a better job of working hard on offense. But no matter what anybody says, no matter what the outcome is, we're sticking together as a team. Nothing is going to separate us. So the students better stfu in the intros and the sweaters vests actually stand up every so often to cheer at a game."
Thanks
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And many here predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT.
90%+ of Scoop said NCAA or better or Wojo should see the door at the start of the season. I don't know if 10% is "many".
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90%+ of Scoop said NCAA or better or Wojo should see the door at the start of the season. I don't know if 10% is "many".
Yet here we are, meeting expectations and maybe exceeding them, and we're getting cries for his head.
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Yet here we are, meeting expectations and maybe exceeding them, and we're getting cries for his head.
Therein lies the insanity
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Yet here we are, meeting expectations and maybe exceeding them, and we're getting cries for his head.
Bingo.
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Yet here we are, meeting expectations and maybe exceeding them, and we're getting cries for his head.
Yes, yes. Blowing expectations out of the water, truly. Good chance of seeing the 8/9 matchup and stuck in the quagmire of the middle of the Big East with an NPOY candidate.
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Yes, yes. Blowing expectations out of the water, truly. Good chance of seeing the 8/9 matchup and stuck in the quagmire of the middle of the Big East with an NPOY candidate.
Wait the season out debby
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Yes, yes. Blowing expectations out of the water, truly. Good chance of seeing the 8/9 matchup and stuck in the quagmire of the middle of the Big East with an NPOY candidate.
Given that the Big East is at worst the 2nd best conference in the country this year...I am not certain you understand what a quagmire is.
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90%+ of Scoop said NCAA or better or Wojo should see the door at the start of the season. I don't know if 10% is "many".
False
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And many here predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT.
95.9% predicted a minimum of 21 wins prior to the NCAA tourney. (21 wins is very safely in)
57.8% said a minimum of 24 wins - which would mean we’d have to win out - 4regular seasons win and a Big East tournament title.
So barring a 7-0 finish most Scoopers will be disappointed and feel we underachieved. If we only win 3 before the NCAAs virtually all of Scoop will feel that way. Pomeroy (who had us ranked #17) will agree.
Put another way - you’re full of it.
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95.9% predicted a minimum of 21 wins prior to the NCAA tourney. (21 wins is very safely in)
57.8% said a minimum of 24 wins - which would mean we’d have to win out - 4regular seasons win and a Big East tournament title.
So barring a 7-0 finish most Scoopers will be disappointed and feel we underachieved. If we only win 3 before the NCAAs virtually all of Scoop will feel that way. Pomeroy (who had us ranked #17) will agree.
Put another way - you’re full of it.
False
Absolutely false. Lots of people didn’t even vote. In fact the usual negative Nancy barrage didn’t even come around until after a few losses after being quiet for months....in their posts they had no problem saying we wouldn’t even make the NIT, etc. Good try...love your intensity.
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False
Absolutely false. Lots of people didn’t even vote. In fact the usual negative Nancy barrage didn’t even come around until after a few losses after being quiet for months....in their posts they had no problem saying we wouldn’t even make the NIT, etc. Good try...love your intensity.
You say false. Absolutely false even. What that I asserted was false? Specifics? You offer zero refutation to any of the facts. Because there are none. The discussion was about expectations before the season, not how Scoopers felt a third, half or two thirds into the season. And the facts are irrefutable - a solid majority thought we were headed for 24+ wins and all but one single handful predicted at least 21+. So (fact, not opinion) going into the season Scoop was more optimistic than what our record indicates at this point.
But, but, not everyone voted...maybe those who didn’t vote would have voted that we would suck. Could an argument be any more pathetic than that?
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Seems Presutti is tired of Scoop.
See the story: https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/jakepresutti/?hl=en)
And it seems “us against the world” way of motivation is being taken by the coaching staff.
Koby posted something today saying “they love you today and hate you tomorrow, just make sure you get paid both days”
I hope they don’t LOOSE. ;)
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Koby posted something today saying “they love you today and hate you tomorrow, just make sure you get paid both days”
Squirmy.
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Squirmy.
I hear you. In his defense, he was quoting Connor Mcgregor if that helps
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I hear you. In his defense, he was quoting Connor Mcgregor if that helps
Somehow more squirmy
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You say false. Absolutely false even. What that I asserted was false? Specifics? You offer zero refutation to any of the facts. Because there are none. The discussion was about expectations before the season, not how Scoopers felt a third, half or two thirds into the season. And the facts are irrefutable - a solid majority thought we were headed for 24+ wins and all but one single handful predicted at least 21+. So (fact, not opinion) going into the season Scoop was more optimistic than what our record indicates at this point.
But, but, not everyone voted...maybe those who didn’t vote would have voted that we would suck. Could an argument be any more pathetic than that?
You said 95.9% predicted...that is false. That’s why I said it. False, absolutely false. If you want to say in a small poll what some said...sure...but that’s not what you said. Again, it was false...absolutely false. You are welcome.
What’s more you say....well this. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58556.0
We had this thread where peoplE freelanced their choices...did you go through each one? We had another thread that asked for people to pick a range of wins. We then had another thread after the season started if people wanted to reevaluate. So which one Lenny? Shall I go on? You are welcome.
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I remember posting, and many others did as well, at the beginning of the conference season that I would take 10-8 and a tournament berth in a heart beat if it could be done. This was based off of the nonconference performance of MU and the rest of the teams. We still have a chance to do that.
That is not the team everyone hoped for immediately after last season when the Hausers were still here but still thought to be fairly decent with the talent remaining. If Wojo does this he has met expectations. We all got greedy for more after winning 6 of 7 in the middle of our conference slate. But reality has set in and that’s ok for now. If we take care of business, 10-8 and a tournament appearance is still possible. Try to have some perspective on the entire season. This team isn’t loaded with talent and we are still very competitive. Let it play out. Plenty of time to cheer or moan soon enough.
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What does MU need to accomplish this year for you to get/stay on the WojoWagon?
Nothing. My support for Wojo is unshakable.
9 (3.8%)
Any post-season.
7 (3%)
The Dance
68 (29.1%)
A NCAA Win
92 (39.3%)
2nd Weekend
48 (20.5%)
Only a banner redeems Wojo.
2 (0.9%)
Nothing. Every moment he's at the helm is like being stabbed in the heart with 1000 fiery knives.
8 (3.4%)
Total Members Voted: 234
There is no way you can substantiate a claim of
"And many here predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT."
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I remember posting, and many others did as well, at the beginning of the conference season that I would take 10-8 and a tournament berth in a heart beat if it could be done. This was based off of the nonconference performance of MU and the rest of the teams. We still have a chance to do that.
That is not the team everyone hoped for immediately after last season when the Hausers were still here but still thought to be fairly decent with the talent remaining. If Wojo does this he has met expectations. We all got greedy for more after winning 6 of 7 in the middle of our conference slate. But reality has set in and that’s ok for now. If we take care of business, 10-8 and a tournament appearance is still possible. Try to have some perspective on the entire season. This team isn’t loaded with talent and we are still very competitive. Let it play out. Plenty of time to cheer or moan soon enough.
Sure, if we end of 10-8 that's fine, a bit meh, but that's tourney and a 6 or 7 seed which has us in place for a NCAA win.
The point of the poll is that I (and apparently 60% + others) are more than a bit concerned this team isn't going to get to 10-8 (or even 9-9). I don't know what team that was that played Providence, but if it keeps showing up were in trouble.
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Agreed. Can’t play like we did against Providence again this year or we don’t have a shot at 10-8. That has to be one of those games that we chalk up to a bad matchup and a brain fart. Wednesday we will know if things look bleak or a little more rosey. Hoping like hell we have some momentum going into Senior day.
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I'm not ready to accept that we are in a late season collapse just yet,
Losing at Nova by 1 didn't bother me (though that game wasn't really that close, we never really had a chance to win). Losing to Creighton was understandable. They are simply a level above us right now. Don't like it, but understandable. Losing at Providence is also understandable. They were at home and we are not head and shoulders better than them and they were playing a must win game if they want an at-large. But the way we were not ready to go from jump at Providence right after having lost two in a row is very tough to understand.
I really think this team needs one of those games where we jump on our opponent, get up double digits early and have the game well in hand throughout but continue to play focused and well anyway. I am strangely confident that tomorrow night is going to be that game. I also think we'll pay well over the weekend against SH. If we do both of those things, I also have a feeling we're going to slip up in one of our last two.
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What does MU need to accomplish this year for you to get/stay on the WojoWagon?
Nothing. My support for Wojo is unshakable.
9 (3.8%)
Any post-season.
7 (3%)
The Dance
68 (29.1%)
A NCAA Win
92 (39.3%)
2nd Weekend
48 (20.5%)
Only a banner redeems Wojo.
2 (0.9%)
Nothing. Every moment he's at the helm is like being stabbed in the heart with 1000 fiery knives.
8 (3.4%)
Total Members Voted: 234
There is no way you can substantiate a claim of
"And many here predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT."
LOL....that is one poll....there was a second, plus an entirely new thread, plus other threads, fire Wojo threads, etc, etc....but you continue to link it to one poll with a small sample size in which MANY didn’t even vote and ignore all the others. LOL
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You said 95.9% predicted...that is false. That’s why I said it. False, absolutely false. If you want to say in a small poll what some said...sure...but that’s not what you said. Again, it was false...absolutely false. You are welcome.
What’s more you say....well this. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58556.0
We had this thread where peoplE freelanced their choices...did you go through each one? We had another thread that asked for people to pick a range of wins. We then had another thread after the season started if people wanted to reevaluate. So which one Lenny? Shall I go on? You are welcome.
The last post in your link is from July. Old news, and not a predictive poll. The poll on this season (referred to by me) was taken in late October just before the start of the season. It’s the ONLY Scoop preseason prediction poll for 2019-20. You’re full of it, clutching at straws, making sh!t up - it’s what you do. But by all means, go on. Hang yourself further, make up more stuff, keep moving the goal posts, all the things you can’t help yourself from doing. LOL
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Sure, if we end of 10-8 that's fine, a bit meh, but that's tourney and a 6 or 7 seed which has us in place for a NCAA win.
The point of the poll is that I (and apparently 60% + others) are more than a bit concerned this team isn't going to get to 10-8 (or even 9-9). I don't know what team that was that played Providence, but if it keeps showing up were in trouble.
Your own poll reading shows how silly this is. 60%+ a bit concerned....sure...but what does that mean. Hell, I get concerned every game we play regardless of who the coach is, but that doesn’t mean at the same time I expect a collapse. Your options are so broad in interpretation....I’m surprised concerned wasn’t higher....if we had won 10 straight I would vote concerned and others wouldn’t.
Are you aware Providence beat Creighton at PC by nearly 20 two weeks ago? They are a good team at the Dunk especially of late.
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Your own poll reading shows how silly this is. 60%+ a bit concerned....sure...but what does that mean. Hell, I get concerned every game we play regardless of who the coach is, but that doesn’t mean at the same time I expect a collapse. Your options are so broad in interpretation....I’m surprised concerned wasn’t higher....if we had won 10 straight I would vote concerned and others wouldn’t.
Are you aware Providence beat Creighton at PC by nearly 20 two weeks ago? They are a good team at the Dunk especially of late.
Curious cheeks, since the last three teams we’ve lost to have been trending up, what would you say IF we lost to Georgetown tomorrow?
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Curious cheeks, since the last three teams we’ve lost to have been trending up, what would you say IF we lost to Georgetown tomorrow?
It would not be good...I know you think we are going to lose. I look at our losses, where they took place and good those teams are and can justify all of them. That’s what happens in a great league...no one is spared. Losing at home to Georgetown would be a bad loss. I think we win. In my view people are totally ignoring who we lost to, where we lost and how well those teams are playing at the moment.
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It would not be good...I know you think we are going to lose. I look at our losses, where they took place and good those teams are and can justify all of them. That’s what happens in a great league...no one is spared. Losing at home to Georgetown would be a bad loss. I think we win. In my view people are totally ignoring who we lost to, where we lost and how well those teams are playing at the moment.
I agree with your take. I also thought the last three teams were going to be difficult. I do think we will be on the wrong end of the stick tomorrow. Obviously, I do not want that to happen, just have a bad feeling.
Feel free to remind me when I’m wrong in my prediction
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Whatever the reason, Marquette has sh1t the bed with the season on the line in each of the past two years.
Regardless of specifics, this is squarely on the coach's head.
You want $2 MM a year? Then earn it. My wallet is welded shut while the current coach is at the helm.
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Whatever the reason, Marquette has sh1t the bed with the season on the line in each of the past two years.
Regardless of specifics, this is squarely on the coach's head.
You want $2 MM a year? Then earn it. My wallet is welded shut while the current coach is at the helm.
Lol. The season isn’t over
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Lol. The season isn’t over
It will be. No later than the first weekend of the Dance (if we make it, that is...)
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It will be. No later than the first weekend of the Dance (if we make it, that is...)
Yes all seasons come to an end
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I agree with your take. I also thought the last three teams were going to be difficult. I do think we will be on the wrong end of the stick tomorrow. Obviously, I do not want that to happen, just have a bad feeling.
Feel free to remind me when I’m wrong in my prediction
I don’t expect a loss but if it happens this place will be in nuclear meltdown
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Memories of last year are definitely giving me more concern than this stretch typically would in a vacuum. Losing at Nova by 1? Sure it's a loss but as losses go, that's as good as they get. Losing to Creighton at home? Not good by any stretch, but my vibe in that game was more about Creighton playing extremely well than us playing poorly.
This last loss gave me a lot more concern. It could be recency bias, but I truly felt like that was our worst played game of the year other than maybe Robert Morris. Besides a short three minute window where we cut the lead to single digits (and then got derailed by one unlucky bounce) and garbage time we looked completely outmatched the whole game. I am a big believer that every team has a floor and every team has a ceiling and on any given night you could play anywhere between those two points. But games near the floor should be happening in the non-conference and early conference play, not this late in the season. The fact that we've started playing near our floor in the final games, two seasons in a row is very concerning.
All that being said, while it shouldn't be happening, it does, and not just to Marquette. Sometimes good teams have an absolute turd of game in the final games of the regular season. Some use it to motivate them, some let it define them. Wojo let it be the latter next season. Let's see if he can make it the former this season.
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Yes all seasons come to an end
Some far sooner than others.
Unfortunately, for the past six years, Marquette's has ended painfully early.
I sense yet another butt jam headed our way.
BOHICA
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The three losses, looked at individually, are understandable. But when you factor in that MU led for less than 4 of the 120 total minutes, that gives me some angst.
It's one thing to lose a few tight games but it's another to be uncompetitive.
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I am concerned, but we were dogs in 2/3 games and the other game was against the hottest team in the nation. No excuses - we still mostly sucked in those games and its concerning, but its not like all three were games we were supposed to win.
Georgetown is not a must in the sense that if they lose, they're going to miss the tournament. But I could see the argument that its a win the program really needs to stop the bleeding and get trending back in the right direction for March.
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Whatever the reason, Marquette has sh1t the bed with the season on the line in each of the past two years.
Regardless of specifics, this is squarely on the coach's head.
You want $2 MM a year? Then earn it. My wallet is welded shut while the current coach is at the helm.
Good lord...they have not sh!t the bed.
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The three losses, looked at individually, are understandable. But when you factor in that MU led for less than 4 of the 120 total minutes, that gives me some angst.
It's one thing to lose a few tight games but it's another to be uncompetitive.
People would bitch a fit either way. Creighton got SMOKED at Providence a few weeks ago. We SMOKED Villanova at home. Etc etc.
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People would bitch a fit either way. Creighton got SMOKED at Providence a few weeks ago. We SMOKED Villanova at home. Etc etc.
Okay so it matters when you play someone, where you play them etc...then explain to me the loss at home to Providence when they were playing like the garbage team they have been most of the year?? Using your "it matters where, when etc you play them", and using no other basis. I will hang up and listen for your answer.
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People would bitch a fit either way. Creighton got SMOKED at Providence a few weeks ago. We SMOKED Villanova at home. Etc etc.
How did those teams respond to those losses? Creighton rattled off 5 in a row and Nova 7 in a row.
That's the difference.
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Georgetown is not a must in the sense that if they lose, they're going to miss the tournament. But I could see the argument that its a win the program really needs to stop the bleeding and get trending back in the right direction for March.
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I just want a team that looks prepared , is competitive and runs some offensive plays
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LOL....that is one poll....there was a second, plus an entirely new thread, plus other threads, fire Wojo threads, etc, etc....but you continue to link it to one poll with a small sample size in which MANY didn’t even vote and ignore all the others. LOL
Show me any poll where "many predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT"
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I am concerned, but we were dogs in 2/3 games and the other game was against the hottest team in the nation. No excuses - we still mostly sucked in those games and its concerning, but its not like all three were games we were supposed to win.
Georgetown is not a must in the sense that if they lose, they're going to miss the tournament. But I could see the argument that its a win the program really needs to stop the bleeding and get trending back in the right direction for March.
It's a must win in the sense that it's the easiest game left on the schedule, we need another win to clinch a NCAA berth, and most of all we just need some positive momentum.
There aren't any true must wins unless we lose the next 3, in which case SJU becomes a must win. But if we don't win tomorrow I'll pretty much accept that the ceiling for the year is one-two more wins and a first round tournament loss. And it will show this current skid is quickly turning into a real collapse.
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Show me any poll where "many predicted a bottom half finish and maybe the NIT"
Show me where I said poll and I will oblige. I didn’t.
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How did those teams respond to those losses? Creighton rattled off 5 in a row and Nova 7 in a row.
That's the difference.
How did we do after our 1-3 start?
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Good lord...they have not sh!t the bed.
Ok, then they defecated themselves whilst sleeping?
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Ok, then they defecated themselves whilst sleeping?
They lost three games to good / great teams with two of them on the road.
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How did those teams respond to those losses? Creighton rattled off 5 in a row and Nova 7 in a row.
That's the difference.
Yes, and when we were 1-3 what did we do?
Creighton is a better team than us...oh well. So is Villanova. I am not losing one ounce of sleep that is the case this year. Last year we were better than Creighton. Sports.
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They lost three games to good / great teams with two of them on the road.
Creighton is very good, Nova is good and Providence is OK. None are “great”.
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Show me where I said poll and I will oblige. I didn’t.
OK, cite preseason posts that predict NIT or no tournament.
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Ok, then they defecated themselves whilst sleeping?
Thia thread had turned into one big poll out contest
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OK, cite preseason posts that predict NIT or no tournament.
Here's Ken Pom. I guess the BE was only supposed to be a one-bid league...
#8 Villanova
#17 Marquette
#18 Xavier
#20 Seton Hall
#31 Providence
#33 Butler
#36 Creighton
#56 Georgetown
#77 DePaul
#95 St. John’s
Sports Illustrated has us picked 4th. BE Coaches picked up 4th. 2 of ESPN's 4 writers picked us 3rd, 1 had us 4th, 1 had us winning the conference. CBS had us 6th, so maybe them?
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Dis iz da tyme of yeer, wen good teems make hey, aina?
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They lost three games to good / great teams with two of them on the road.
More excuses.
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More excuses.
Actually it's kinda fact. I guess you could argue providence isn't good. Certainly not bad. The other are obviously good unless top ten is mediocre still. Creighton's on fire. Just stop being some entitled whiner. Are we gonna get a coach that never loses to two top 15 teams in a row? Never lose a road game to providence? This is just childish goofiness. At least wait the season out ffs
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Actually it's kinda fact. I guess you could argue providence isn't good. Certainly not bad. The other are obviously good unless top ten is mediocre still. Creighton's on fire. Just stop being some entitled whiner. Are we gonna get a coach that never loses to two top 15 teams in a row? Never lose a road game to providence? This is just childish goofiness. At least wait the season out ffs
+1
Rob Dauster was right.
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+1
Rob Dauster was right.
More and more so every day.
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More and more so every day.
Who is he
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Who is he
An AP voter and basketball writer. And the man who wrote this tweet:
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1189291917953122307?lang=en
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An AP voter and basketball writer. And the man who wrote this tweet:
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1189291917953122307?lang=en
A wise man
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An AP voter and basketball writer. And the man who wrote this tweet:
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1189291917953122307?lang=en
The replies are great.
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Actually it's kinda fact. I guess you could argue providence isn't good. Certainly not bad. The other are obviously good unless top ten is mediocre still. Creighton's on fire. Just stop being some entitled whiner. Are we gonna get a coach that never loses to two top 15 teams in a row? Never lose a road game to providence? This is just childish goofiness. At least wait the season out ffs
Dont care if its a fact they are also excuses made by excuse makers like you. You can celebrate Wojos mediocrity. I expect better performance. Two straight years of caving down the stretch. I never said what you are claiming. But go ahead and pontificate your smug aloof opinions about entitled whiners. And of course we can wait to see how the season plays out. Have no choice. But you know that deep down inside you have the concerns and worries that your coach is not cutting the mustard. The performance already is .painfully obvious.
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Dont care if its a fact they are also excuses made by excuse makers like you. You can celebrate Wojos mediocrity. I expect better performance. Two straight years of caving down the stretch. I never said what you are claiming. But go ahead and pontificate your smug aloof opinions about entitled whiners. And of course we can wait to see how the season plays out. Have no choice. But you know that deep down inside you have the concerns and worries that your coach is not cutting the mustard. The performance already is .painfully obvious.
I'm not uber optimistic about the rest of the way but the teams certainly got a shot
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Thia thread had turned into one big poll out contest
Well, Marquette being Catholic and what not, it make sense since that y’all are arguing about pullin’ out as a form of....baby stoppin
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Dis iz da tyme of yeer, wen good teems make hey, aina?
Ol Wojo’s grain free again, hey Doc?
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This whole thread is TL:DR. All I have to say is, tomorrow brings a new game and the beginning of the rest of a great season that will leave a lot of people satisfied in the direction of the program. I see us closing out the conference season strong, possibly all wins. Conference tourney will be game shy of championship. Tournament we see a sweet 16.
We Are... Marquette...!