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Title: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
For the emotionally impaired, here are some of the teams in our league with a 3 game or longer conference losing streak so far

Villanova
Butler (if they lose next game they will have done it twice)
Xavier
DePaul (twice)
Georgetown
Providence
Marquette
St Johns (three times)


Seton Hall had a 2 gamer and won at the buzzer at home last time out to avoid 3 games.

Creighton has had a 2 gamer


Stop the pants pissing.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 23, 2020, 12:12:24 PM
DePaul lost three in a row, twice!........ whew, I feel better now. Thank you for putting things in perspective.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: The Lens on February 23, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
Assuming we get the usual results in March:

No BET title, no NCAA wins what are your talking points then?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: NickelDimer on February 23, 2020, 12:20:43 PM
This is very reassuring...if we’re looking at this 3 game skid in a vacuum. Unfortunately that’s not how things work so this isn’t reassuring at all.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: StillWarriors on February 23, 2020, 12:20:53 PM
For the emotionally impaired, here are some of the teams in our league with a 3 game or longer conference losing streak so far

Villanova
Butler (if they lose next game they will have done it twice)
Xavier
DePaul (twice)
Georgetown
Providence
Marquette
St Johns (three times)


Seton Hall had a 2 gamer and won at the buzzer at home last time out to avoid 3 games.

Creighton has had a 2 gamer


Stop the pants pissing.

Exactly. A little perspective is good.

Marquette, by birthright, is apparently above a three game losing streak.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 23, 2020, 12:30:27 PM
De Paul has actually done it eight times.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: PointWarrior on February 23, 2020, 12:33:42 PM
Can you add analysis for these three game losing streaks, were the teams essentially out of the game by the 7 minute mark for all three games?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: SERocks on February 23, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
I don't think the fact that we have a three game losing streak is what is so upsetting...but it is the timing of it.  It finally appeared like this team was getting it and coming together when we played the Butler game.  I think clearly our best team win of the season and most complete game overall.  And we all started salivating as to what could be.  I know I did.  I was looking at the standings and thinking perhaps the Seton Hall game could be for a spot a top the Big East.  I even told a friend I would have to eat my words that we were a middle of the road team this year.....

And then we were deflated.

And then we realized we had seen this script before.

And then we were deflated, again.

You have heard of the double doink.  This is the double deflation.  Even the blue pill does not help this. 

This is a full on Wojocollapski.

Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 23, 2020, 12:40:37 PM
I don't think this thread is having the effect it was intended to.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: joparks on February 23, 2020, 12:50:36 PM
Can you add analysis for these three game losing streaks, were the teams essentially out of the game by the 7 minute mark for all three games?

Excellent point, and you beat me to it.  Our current 3 game skid wasn't just losing on 3 last second shots.  You could say that in each of these 3 games, the team wasn't ready to play and vanished for large portions of the game.  Nova was a 28 minute death march until Wojo took his starters out down 18 and Nova was lulled into sleep.  It almost cost V.  Creighton took it to MU right from the start and had an answer to every run they had.  Every time MU got to within 5 or 6, it slid back to 9 or 11 immediately.  Yesterday, Marquette didn't show up at all.  This is a 3 game losing streak but there have been little to no positives to take from this.  Moreover, there has been no indication that they are on the verge of breaking out of it.  So if Cheeks says others have had 3 gamers and if that was all I had to go on, fine.  The eye test is telling me this team is dead man walking and history is telling me that this coach has no answers. 
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Eldon on February 23, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
I would also like to add that the following coaches have all suffered three game losing streaks in their career:

John Wooden
Coach K
Jay Wright
Bill Self
Rick Pitino
Roy Williams
Greg McDermott
Kevin Willard
Brent Williams
Ben Howland
Shaka Smart
...and...wait for it...
Al McGuire


Need I go on?

If you repeatedly flip a coin three times in a row, believe it or not, sometimes it will come up "tails" three consecutive times (especially if, for two of those flips, your thumb is wearing a mask).
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: franklinjerry on February 23, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
More fearful of this turning into an 8 game losing streak than a spirited finish to the season. Does anyone believe we'll sweep Georgetown, St John's and DePaul?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: PointWarrior on February 23, 2020, 01:10:59 PM
could not have said it better...

I was also going to ask for analysis of which of these 3 game losing streaks team had a horrific meltdowns after being 23-4 the previous year and the timing of their 3 game losing streak this year appears identical to previous years meltdown?


Excellent point, and you beat me to it.  Our current 3 game skid wasn't just losing on 3 last second shots.  You could say that in each of these 3 games, the team wasn't ready to play and vanished for large portions of the game.  Nova was a 28 minute death march until Wojo took his starters out down 18 and Nova was lulled into sleep.  It almost cost V.  Creighton took it to MU right from the start and had an answer to every run they had.  Every time MU got to within 5 or 6, it slid back to 9 or 11 immediately.  Yesterday, Marquette didn't show up at all.  This is a 3 game losing streak but there have been little to no positives to take from this.  Moreover, there has been no indication that they are on the verge of breaking out of it.  So if Cheeks says others have had 3 gamers and if that was all I had to go on, fine.  The eye test is telling me this team is dead man walking and history is telling me that this coach has no answers.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: joparks on February 23, 2020, 01:15:31 PM
Just saying, our collapse last season began with 5 minutes left at (game 28) Villanova a game where I believe MU was outscored 12-1 over the last 5 minutes.  That game followed the best game of the season: a complete team win (a year ago today) where they looked like a well oiled machine against Providence.  This year's best game was game 23, the solid win against Butler.  Since then, they have looked lost - same as they looked last year down the stretch.  I am hoping that these are just coincidences because if they aren't, this year's slide started 4 games early. 
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: muguru on February 23, 2020, 01:19:50 PM
For the emotionally impaired, here are some of the teams in our league with a 3 game or longer conference losing streak so far

Villanova
Butler (if they lose next game they will have done it twice)
Xavier
DePaul (twice)
Georgetown
Providence
Marquette
St Johns (three times)


Seton Hall had a 2 gamer and won at the buzzer at home last time out to avoid 3 games.

Creighton has had a 2 gamer


Stop the pants pissing.

So?? How do those teams losing three in a row make it okay that MU has?? It doesn't. Not at all...how about the fact that the only team in the BE with fewer road wins is SJU?? Does that make it okay too Cheeks?? Puhlease.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 23, 2020, 01:26:38 PM
I would also like to add that the following coaches have all suffered three game losing streaks in their career:

John Wooden
Coach K
Jay Wright
Bill Self
Rick Pitino
Roy Williams
Greg McDermott
Kevin Willard
Brent Williams
Ben Howland
Shaka Smart
...and...wait for it...
Al McGuire


Need I go on?

If you repeatedly flip a coin three times in a row, believe it or not, sometimes it will come up "tails" three consecutive times (especially if, for two of those flips, your thumb is wearing a mask).
LOL. I think this clarifies the how stupid this topic is.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Class71 on February 23, 2020, 01:31:55 PM
Gosh, this is a great post. I feel so much better. So when do we move into the top three In the BE? Hope it is soon. I assume this is part of some Wojo master plan.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 23, 2020, 01:34:02 PM
We’ll be fine. I got confidence Wojo and the team will turn it around
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 01:45:19 PM
Assuming we get the usual results in March:

No BET title, no NCAA wins what are your talking points then?

Oh noes....no a Big East title.  Let’s go back and look at all the bitchers right now that said we wouldn’t even make the tournament, etc and now some are bitching because it isn’t enough in a year so many of predicted we wouldn’t even be competitive.  My God.

Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 01:46:48 PM
Can you add analysis for these three game losing streaks, were the teams essentially out of the game by the 7 minute mark for all three games?

MU chance to tie Nova with under 9 seconds in the game...hard to do your analysis when your brain allowed your fingers to type something so incorrect.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 01:50:56 PM
I don't think the fact that we have a three game losing streak is what is so upsetting...but it is the timing of it.  It finally appeared like this team was getting it and coming together when we played the Butler game.  I think clearly our best team win of the season and most complete game overall.  And we all started salivating as to what could be.  I know I did.  I was looking at the standings and thinking perhaps the Seton Hall game could be for a spot a top the Big East.  I even told a friend I would have to eat my words that we were a middle of the road team this year.....

And then we were deflated.

And then we realized we had seen this script before.

And then we were deflated, again.

You have heard of the double doink.  This is the double deflation.  Even the blue pill does not help this. 

This is a full on Wojocollapski.

Well then our fans aren’t very smart in basketball but that would be redundant for some.

I remember when I said we were going to lose at Nova and then Creighton....but so many said we were on a hot streak.  As I said then, who you play matters and our streak compared to Creighton’s was no comparison.

Who you play...matters.  When you play...matters.   Where you play...matters.  And the other side gets a major say in how it all goes.

Same clowns come here when we lose, same clowns gone when we win.  Same clowns bitching we don’t win enoug were the same clowns who said we wouldn’t win in the first place...the irony.

Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 01:55:33 PM
Excellent point, and you beat me to it.  Our current 3 game skid wasn't just losing on 3 last second shots.  You could say that in each of these 3 games, the team wasn't ready to play and vanished for large portions of the game.  Nova was a 28 minute death march until Wojo took his starters out down 18 and Nova was lulled into sleep.  It almost cost V.  Creighton took it to MU right from the start and had an answer to every run they had.  Every time MU got to within 5 or 6, it slid back to 9 or 11 immediately.  Yesterday, Marquette didn't show up at all.  This is a 3 game losing streak but there have been little to no positives to take from this.  Moreover, there has been no indication that they are on the verge of breaking out of it.  So if Cheeks says others have had 3 gamers and if that was all I had to go on, fine.  The eye test is telling me this team is dead man walking and history is telling me that this coach has no answers.

And guess what, neither was Nova’s, Providence’s, Butler, etc...none of them were on last second shots either.

And let me be so bold, if we had lost three on last second shots the same people bitching would be.....bitching and you know damn well I am 100% right on that.  So give it a rest.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
So?? How do those teams losing three in a row make it okay that MU has?? It doesn't. Not at all...how about the fact that the only team in the BE with fewer road wins is SJU?? Does that make it okay too Cheeks?? Puhlease.

It means in a league like this it damn near happens to everyone and only the emotionally unhinged like yourself don’t understand that.   ;)

Did you teach yourself binomial distribution yet?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: PointWarrior on February 23, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
Never held a lead, never a chance to win.  They were run off the court to start the game as usual against quality teams and Villanova went to sleep.  Had Villanova kept the gas on, they would have won by 10-12 or more. 


MU chance to tie Nova with under 9 seconds in the game...hard to do your analysis when your brain allowed your fingers to type something so incorrect.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 23, 2020, 02:02:28 PM
Well then our fans aren’t very smart in basketball but that would be redundant for some.

I remember when I said we were going to lose at Nova and then Creighton....but so many said we were on a hot streak.  As I said then, who you play matters and our streak compared to Creighton’s was no comparison.

Who you play...matters.  When you play...matters.   Where you play...matters.  And the other side gets a major say in how it all goes.

Same clowns come here when we lose, same clowns gone when we win.  Same clowns bitching we don’t win enoug were the same clowns who said we wouldn’t win in the first place...the irony.

You referring to other posters as clowns is really f’in funny.

5 years to judge, right?  Guards game, right?  You are the same clown who called Buzz’s team a bunch of choking dogs who pissed down their leg.

Yet here we are 5.75 through the Wojo regime and you find every possible rationalization to support the underwhelming performance.  And next year we probably regress further. #trajectory.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: joparks on February 23, 2020, 02:03:58 PM
More fearful of this turning into an 8 game losing streak than a spirited finish to the season. Does anyone believe we'll sweep Georgetown, St John's and DePaul?

Another good point, who, outside of the true believers, the 90% full all the time crowd, will think this team has turned the corner if (big if) MU escapes with 3 close wins against the Big East basement dwellers and gets run at home on Sr. day by a Seton Hall team that they should have the proper motivation to hammer after the way the Big East Semifinal went down last season?
 
[Wojo needed to go nuclear in that game to protect his players after the way Hall was playing (cheap/dirty) and the refs were screwing MU (numerous no-calls yet MU getting hit for ticky tak and flagrant fouls on love taps)  instead, he just sat there and took it (which was more infuriating than the loss) and then had his team completely melt down in the locker room after the game.]

They have not given me a shred of confidence that they are any different than last year's team.  They need to work the last 4 teams on their schedule thoroughly but they play way too passive for me to believe those types of results are in the cards.  I have to see something that tells me something different.  I love Marquette but I am not seeing it.  Marquette gets 2 at best of the last 4 and I don't see them looking good in the two they get and horrible in the 2 they don't. 
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
More fearful of this turning into an 8 game losing streak than a spirited finish to the season. Does anyone believe we'll sweep Georgetown, St John's and DePaul?

Who knows, conference games are tough.  I do think we will beat Georgetown and I like our chances against Seton Hall on senior day.  Road games are always tough.  Need more out of Sacar, BB, and KM right now. 
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
Never held a lead, never a chance to win.  They were run off the court to start the game as usual against quality teams and Villanova went to sleep.  Had Villanova kept the gas on, they would have won by 10-12 or more.

It’s ok to just admit you were wrong.  Your words don’t match with reality. 

So Hall of Fame coach Wright took foot off the gas so they could possibly be tied at the end.

The stupidity of our fans is epic...don’t let anyone tell you differently.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: connie on February 23, 2020, 02:39:26 PM
It’s ok to just admit you were wrong.  Your words don’t match with reality. 

So Hall of Fame coach Wright took foot off the gas so they could possibly be tied at the end.

The stupidity of our fans is epic...don’t let anyone tell you differently.
When you're right, you're right.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
Assuming we get the usual results in March:

No BET title, no NCAA wins what are your talking points then?
No arrests? Good gpa?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 23, 2020, 02:53:04 PM
No arrests? Good gpa?
Good Lord the bar has been set low. I say each player gets a trophy if their parents gets them to every game too.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Goose on February 23, 2020, 02:59:53 PM
I wonder how hard Cheek’s is laughing right before he hits the post button. Like Jordan or Tiger, Cheeks is much watch for me. If he has to be getting well above the recommended laughs per day. I know he gives me 3-4 belly laughs almost daily.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
No arrests? Good gpa?

I guess all those years we made the NCAA tournament and lost early were abject failures.  We should strip them from our record books, eh?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2020, 03:25:01 PM
Well then our fans aren’t very smart in basketball but that would be redundant for some.

I remember when I said we were going to lose at Nova and then Creighton....but so many said we were on a hot streak.  As I said then, who you play matters and our streak compared to Creighton’s was no comparison.

Who you play...matters.  When you play...matters.   Where you play...matters.  And the other side gets a major say in how it all goes.

Same clowns come here when we lose, same clowns gone when we win.  Same clowns bitching we don’t win enoug were the same clowns who said we wouldn’t win in the first place...the irony.

Yet another “I’m brilliant and everyone who disagrees with me is stupid” post. Hooray!
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Goose on February 23, 2020, 03:31:18 PM
Cheeks

No kidding that we would lose to teams better than us. We have two legit wins in BE play and the rest against the bottom teams. Very bold predictions on your part.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2020, 03:40:29 PM
More fearful of this turning into an 8 game losing streak than a spirited finish to the season. Does anyone believe we'll sweep Georgetown, St John's and DePaul?

We’re lucky this year - our last 4 games are senior night against a recently struggling Seton Hall and 3 against the bottom feeders (10-31 combined) of the conference. Makes a continuation of our mini collapse unlikely.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2020, 03:43:10 PM
Perhaps peaking early and fading late will be something else Wojo has in common with Crean.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 03:50:04 PM
Yet another “I’m brilliant and everyone who disagrees with me is stupid” post. Hooray!

The Verdict Is In....anyone who disagrees with Lenny’s verdict doesn’t know what they are talking about.  Hooray!
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: joparks on February 23, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
And guess what, neither was Nova’s, Providence’s, Butler, etc...none of them were on last second shots either.

And let me be so bold, if we had lost three on last second shots the same people bitching would be.....bitching and you know damn well I am 100% right on that.  So give it a rest.

Cheeks, you may find it admirable to be the contrarian and that's fine.  You can be the one that shills for the team.  Just admit that is what you are doing.  If this team turns it around, there's no difference in the seat you and I have on the MU bus.  Nobody is going to say, "hey, there's Cheeks, he's always right."  You are picking one side of the coin and I have the other.  I want them to win as much as anyone else and I don't root for them to lose.  If I had confidence in them, I'd shill for the team.  But I don't and honestly, they have given me nothing to be confident in.  They haven't convinced me of anything at this point other than if they are somehow fortunate to get into the NCAAs, they shouldn't reserve their rooms past Thursday or Friday.  In fact, whatever tournament they are in (BET, NCAA, NIT), to save costs, they should fly in day of and not even bother with reserving a hotel room.

So let me rephrase, had they lost 3 last second games to V, C & P and HAD BEEN IN EACH OF THOSE GAMES FROM THE OPENING TIP, my feeling might be a little different.  Would I be frustrated?  You bet, but I would have some positives to point to.  However to point to these 3 games as just run of the mill losses, you are fooling yourself and your credibility.  The fact that you view the V loss as a 9 second chance to tie (with a bad shot, by the way) as a positive and have completely detached yourself from the awful basketball played in the first 28 minutes of gametime against V just shows that your rose colored glasses are masking a reality.  It was obvious that Villanova backed off a bit in intensity, whether by direction from the coach or the players felt that when Wojo yanked all the starters.  Either way, something changed which allowed MU to make a game of it and my guess it wasn't MU forcing the issue.  Had that not been the case, I would have expected MU to have a carryover effect into the Creighton game at home.  No such luck there as they came out soft and lethargic and were down by 10 scoring only 22 points in the first half.  Yesterday, they were dead on arrival.

I'm not going to try to convince you to switch and I don't think you should.  You've been glass 90% full all year on this team and that's fine.  The people bitching are the people that want more for this program almost 6 years in and they aren't seeing it and don't think they will ever see it with the current guy in place. 

Just saying, playing the guy at the end of Animal House saying "Remain Calm, All is Well" in the middle of a riot isn't earning any points.

Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2020, 04:03:24 PM
The Verdict Is In....anyone who disagrees with Lenny’s verdict doesn’t know what they are talking about.  Hooray!

Did I say anyone who disagreed with me was displaying “epic stupidity”? Do you make those kind of statements routinely? No and yes.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 04:03:53 PM
Butler about to lose their third straight in conference for the second time this year....and oh my Gods they are losing by 19 right now....oh noes
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2020, 04:14:53 PM
Butler about to lose their third straight in conference for the second time this year....and oh my Gods they are losing by 19 right now....oh noes

Butler sucks, is a huge disappointment and is in free fall.

What’s your point?
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Class71 on February 23, 2020, 04:35:34 PM
Comments are fueled by emotion, particularly the personal attacks against those that disagree. Best to ignore and move on.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Goose on February 23, 2020, 04:52:11 PM
Cheeks

I stated three weeks ago that Butler was not very good. They have not done a lick in a month.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: 79Warrior on February 23, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
It’s ok to just admit you were wrong.  Your words don’t match with reality. 

So Hall of Fame coach Wright took foot off the gas so they could possibly be tied at the end.

The stupidity of our fans is epic...don’t let anyone tell you differently.

Dude, you lead the class. Go to work and stop posting your constant BS. Good grief you are a real piece of work.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: muguru on February 23, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
Cheeks

I stated three weeks ago that Butler was not very good. They have not done a lick in a month.

You are correct...they aren't very good, never have been very good. If there was one incredibly fluky team to start the year it was Butler, without question.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2020, 05:33:59 PM
Good Lord the bar has been set low. I say each player gets a trophy if their parents gets them to every game too.
It was a joke whitetrash...man you guys are wound too tight.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
I guess all those years we made the NCAA tournament and lost early were abject failures.  We should strip them from our record books, eh?
Settle down cowboy.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 06:12:17 PM
You are correct...they aren't very good, never have been very good. If there was one incredibly fluky team to start the year it was Butler, without question.

How come your eye test on them failed early in the season?  My how your opinions change as the wind blows

Why did you say this about Butler only a few weeks ago.  “Regardless, the point is..they have gotten MUCH MUCH better since last year,  and regardless of what they brought back, no one saw it coming. That's about Coaching. Their roster isn't as good as MU's(and not saying MU's is particularly great) and they certainly don't have an all american like MU does. Good Coaches can get the most out of teams that aren't particularly talented. That's what Lavall is doing..Wojo is not.”
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: GoldenZebra on February 23, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
The results just arent there for a program that spends as much as Marquette does. Money does not = success but it sure as heck should not equal mediocrity.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: PointWarrior on February 23, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
Villanova's win percentage never fell below 81% after 15:45 for the entire game game, even when MU had a chance to tie it.  By the way - they never had a shot to tie as they never got a 3pt shot off.  and then missed free throws...

Keep telling yourself they played well.  I will give you they had an improbable 7 pt rally down 10 with 2 mins to go and .  Still lost, still played like crap for 2/3 the game. 

And have it your way, they played just fine at Villanova. They still stunk it up next two - trending the wrong way...  smells like the 2019 collapse...


It’s ok to just admit you were wrong.  Your words don’t match with reality. 

So Hall of Fame coach Wright took foot off the gas so they could possibly be tied at the end.

The stupidity of our fans is epic...don’t let anyone tell you differently.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 08:51:06 PM
Villanova's win percentage never fell below 81% after 15:45 for the entire game game, even when MU had a chance to tie it.  By the way - they never had a shot to tie as they never got a 3pt shot off.  and then missed free throws...

Keep telling yourself they played well.  I will give you they had an improbable 7 pt rally down 10 with 2 mins to go and .  Still lost, still played like crap for 2/3 the game. 

And have it your way, they played just fine at Villanova. They still stunk it up next two - trending the wrong way...  smells like the 2019 collapse...

You said "were the teams essentially out of the game by the 7 minute mark for all three games"   Keep digging the hole.  The game was a 3 point game with 9 seconds left and we had the ball.  That's not "out of the game"....sorry....on no planet is that "out of the game".

I didn't say we played just fine, but we played a hell of a lot better at Nova than Nova played at MU.  But of course you think it's a 2019 collapse....of course you do.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
The results just arent there for a program that spends as much as Marquette does. Money does not = success but it sure as heck should not equal mediocrity.

We aren't mediocre either.  A mediocre program doesn't make the NCAA tournament 3 of 4 years.  So why are we changing definitions of words to fit a criteria that doesn't exist?  And have you ever thought based on where MU is that the money spent is needed JUST to compete?  I've also never understood this argument about money spent because it is so skewed in the accounting treatment.  There are schools that spend "less" than us on paper, but not in reality because the football program or other sports are taking on the costs.  Or because we have to pay rent and other schools don't for their arena, the numbers are not appropriately comparable. 
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: CTWarrior on February 24, 2020, 03:39:18 PM
I would also like to add that the following coaches have all suffered three game losing streaks in their career:

John Wooden
Coach K
Jay Wright
Bill Self
Rick Pitino
Roy Williams
Greg McDermott
Kevin Willard
Brent Williams
Ben Howland
Shaka Smart
...and...wait for it...
Al McGuire


Need I go on?

If you repeatedly flip a coin three times in a row, believe it or not, sometimes it will come up "tails" three consecutive times (especially if, for two of those flips, your thumb is wearing a mask).

Those guys occasionally finished in the top 25 and won some tournament games, too, however.
Title: Re: 3 game conference losing streak
Post by: Cheeks on February 24, 2020, 04:00:51 PM
Those guys occasionally finished in the top 25 and won some tournament games, too, however.

Yes, and some of them took many years to do both