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Title: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 09:33:46 PM
Can’t fill up the student section for a top 15 opponent. All five tarps still up at the end of the game.

Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: JWags85 on February 18, 2020, 09:37:33 PM
Can’t fill up the student section for a top 15 opponent. All five tarps still up at the end of the game.

The Athletic Department needs to switch something up and do a better job getting students to games. It’s pretty bad when you have your school in the top 20, playing another big team and the crowd looks like DePaul or Providence at best
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Fred Garvin on February 18, 2020, 09:38:46 PM
They are to busy putting up fire Wojo stuff
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 18, 2020, 09:40:45 PM
They are to busy putting up fire Wojo stuff

I hear you but to me that is a symptom.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Bad_Reporter on February 18, 2020, 09:41:02 PM
Had to hand out free Chick-fil-A on top of it.  It seems no amount of food that Wojo hands out will get the students to support him/team
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
I hear you but to me that is a symptom.

Of having a top 20 team?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 79Warrior on February 18, 2020, 09:45:40 PM
The Athletic Department needs to switch something up and do a better job getting students to games. It’s pretty bad when you have your school in the top 20, playing another big team and the crowd looks like DePaul or Providence at best

It’s on the students.  No one else to blame.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 18, 2020, 09:48:22 PM
It’s on the students.  No one else to blame.

They’re not obligated to show up.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Marquette4life on February 18, 2020, 09:48:55 PM
Embarrassing. Aren’t we a basketball school!
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 79Warrior on February 18, 2020, 09:54:52 PM
They’re not obligated to show up.
Never said they were.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Afroman on February 18, 2020, 09:56:36 PM
Games at The Al in the near future.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:01:17 PM
Games at The Al in the near future.

 ::)
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:04:00 PM
They’re not obligated to show up.

Then they should lose their seats.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: CountryRoads on February 18, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
Put them back in the upper deck where they belong please.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 18, 2020, 10:19:14 PM
The Athletic Department needs to switch something up and do a better job getting students to games. It’s pretty bad when you have your school in the top 20, playing another big team and the crowd looks like DePaul or Providence at best
Free chicken sandwiches and it was a double points reward. Don't know what more they can do.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 18, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Put them back in the upper deck where they belong please.
So, you want more empty seats in the lower bowl?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 18, 2020, 10:21:14 PM
NBA teams can’t even fill NBA stadiums
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:23:43 PM
NBA teams can’t even fill NBA stadiums

NBA teams aren’t giving away lower bowl end zone seats that could make significantly more money.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: skianth16 on February 18, 2020, 10:26:55 PM
Can’t fill up the student section for a top 15 opponent. All five tarps still up at the end of the game.

Are there more seats now in Fiserv for students? I don't remember having such lackluster student support until the last few years.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: GoldenZebra on February 18, 2020, 10:26:58 PM
Classic thread blaming the crowd and students for not "showing up". Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:28:57 PM
Classic thread blaming the crowd and students for not "showing up". Ridiculous.

Literally no one said that.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 18, 2020, 10:29:33 PM
Are there more seats now in Fiserv for students? I don't remember having such lackluster student support until the last few years.
No.
Way more lower bowl seats of course for students to the days at the Bradley Center.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: CountryRoads on February 18, 2020, 10:29:40 PM
So, you want more empty seats in the lower bowl?

Honestly, I’m just pissed they lost lol. I don’t really care where the students sit.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 10:34:34 PM
We're a nerd school now. Waste of money giving students tickets.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Doo on February 18, 2020, 10:45:10 PM
Fire the students! 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2020, 11:28:44 PM
Playing the school theme song with 2:00 minutes to go, and the students who were left down 6 were slumped in their seats.  Really?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: PistolPete on February 18, 2020, 11:32:15 PM
Forget the student section, the crowd was pathetic tonight. I couldn’t believe the lack of enthusiasm. Asses were in seats all but a couple possessions. We’d pull within a bucket and the sound of shoes squeaking on offense was deafening. A friend said ‘[the team] is giving us nothing’ to which I replied ‘what are we [the fans] giving them?’ Unusual and very disappointing.

Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 19, 2020, 12:08:24 AM
The crowd instinctively knows the team isn't that good.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
The crowd instinctively knows the team isn't that good.

They are ranked 19. What does it take for the students to think the team is good? Top 10? Top 5?

If that’s what it takes for them to show up, shrink their section.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUMonster03 on February 19, 2020, 02:45:20 AM
Back when I was in school we walked two miles uphill though the snow to every game at the Bradley Center!
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 03:55:00 AM
Then they should lose their seats.

Lol. Ok. That’ll work. 🙄
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 19, 2020, 06:13:32 AM
Forget the student section, the crowd was pathetic tonight. I couldn’t believe the lack of enthusiasm. Asses were in seats all but a couple possessions. We’d pull within a bucket and the sound of shoes squeaking on offense was deafening. A friend said ‘[the team] is giving us nothing’ to which I replied ‘what are we [the fans] giving them?’ Unusual and very disappointing.

Actually that is the usual, never have heard the MU crowd get loud after a few makes n down 6-8.  Oh but they will go crazy if we take the lead.  Very poor fan base to bring energy n help team get over the hump.  When team needs the crowd the most, they are almost never there. Sad. MU down 6 is the quietest place on earth. Very sad.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 19, 2020, 06:56:24 AM
This is exactly what happens when you have a Tuesday night game, have had a mediocre team since you've been a freshman, and have zero faith in the head coach.

Why is this surprising Marquette has very little fan support from the students.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 07:19:11 AM
Why is this surprising Marquette has very little fan support from the students.

It was a top 15 team against a top 20 Marquette team.

If that’s not enough, time to shrink the section and make money off those seats.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 19, 2020, 07:19:58 AM
This is exactly what happens when you have a Tuesday night game, have had a mediocre team since you've been a freshman, and have zero faith in the head coach.

I find it remarkable how many presumably college-educated people don't understand what that word means.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 07:20:06 AM
Shoutout to the students who actually did show up and got Creighton to force up shots a couple times with the fake shot clock countdown.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Lens on February 19, 2020, 07:23:41 AM
I’m guessing that MU has the students where they are bc they realized they can’t sell all the lowers at current lower prices so it made sense to configure as is.  It creates a false lower supply which helps prop up lowers & uppers for general fans.

The tarps look OK on TV.  It’s not ideal but the branding looks better than the empty upper deck of the BC.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 07:43:01 AM
It was a top 15 team against a top 20 Marquette team.

If that’s not enough, time to shrink the section and make money off those seats.

Make money off of what seats? It's not like we have a lower bowls sold out to season tickets holder. We still had about 1,900 students at the game.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Litehouse on February 19, 2020, 07:58:21 AM
Maybe a better solution would be to give the students additional sections on one side, like 109 & 114 so they'd have that entire end by the opponents bench (109-114).  That would at least let us sell 122, which are prime seats, and the lower half of 121 & 101 would make decent money too.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 19, 2020, 08:20:36 AM
Shoutout to the students who actually did show up and got Creighton to force up shots a couple times with the fake shot clock countdown.

Yes!  It's been years since I've seen that actually work. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUfan12 on February 19, 2020, 08:22:26 AM
I'm not gonna get on the crowd for last night. It's hard to keep energy in the building when the home side is putting on a masonry clinic.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: dgies9156 on February 19, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
Back when I was in school we walked two miles uphill though the snow to every game at the Bradley Center!

For us it was Barefoot too! But we went to the Arena. And, we saw the national champions. And, there were only 10,400 seats total.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 19, 2020, 08:25:33 AM
Barefoot too!

But we saw the national champions. And, there were only 10,400 seats total.

10,938
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 19, 2020, 08:32:07 AM
I'm not gonna get on the crowd for last night. It's hard to keep energy in the building when the home side is putting on a masonry clinic.


classic !!!!!!! love it.

The student section is small potatoes, this program could very easily have a drop in attendance depending on what happens with wojo and the next man up here in the next 5 years that could justify moving into the arena or the AL. 

Opening up more lower bowl tickets to paying customers? You need demand before increasing supply makes any sense. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
Student sections have been hot and warm throughout the years. A lot depends on the fan captains which don't seem to happen anymore with the bow tie seating. The DJs, Jump Around Guy, Shake Shack and the promotions are the only time there appears to be any charge of energy. The students are looking to be led versus bringing some spontaneity.

The exception this year has been the band and the front row crew behind the band basket.  I have seen years where the students boycotted the team and were cold towards Buzz (alleged sexual assault teams), but when the students are booing the coach, not standing for the fight song, putting up signs of lack of support for the coach, something isn't right.

We joke about us Vesties being a get off my lawn crew, but at the the BC, the students were the show.  At FF, it seems the students are looking for game operations to orchestrate something for them. I see little to no originality as they just seem to show up to be entertained.

It's been a weird vibe lately with the students. What's going on there? Is there resentment because of the transfers and Ed?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 08:49:29 AM
Make money off of what seats? It's not like we have a lower bowls sold out to season tickets holder. We still had about 1,900 students at the game.

Single game tickets and season tickets.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: mu03eng on February 19, 2020, 08:53:59 AM
I'm sure I'll get yelled at for this take, but I came to the conclusion that the fanbase generally and the students in particular have just become spoiled and privileged. Fans were streaming out of the game with 6 or 7 minutes left and the outcome very much in doubt, especially the students. Maybe some of this is on Wojo because he's not a ra-ra, lead the fans in energy guy but the energy in the building for a top 20 match up was pretty pathetic. When did the fanbase become a bunch of Eeyore's?

I get that I'm generally a very optimistic person and sometimes overestimate this team, but good god there is no need to be so damn morose at a game.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUfan12 on February 19, 2020, 08:58:31 AM
It's been a weird vibe lately with the students. What's going on there? Is there resentment because of the transfers and Ed?

I think the seeds of this were planted during the last few years of Buzz's tenure. You would probably know better than me, but it sure felt like he tried to make it an "us v. them" thing to galvanize his team. The students don't like you, don't believe in you, etc.

But the section was still full, and pretty supportive, but the team was winning at a high level. We haven't come close to that level outside of last season, and the last 6 graduating classes have not seen MU win a tournament game.

The other factor, as I see it, is that everyone is slow to trust this team to actually build on success. Under Wojo, when it looks like they may finally break through, the bottom tends to fall out-

15-16: Beat #8 Providence on the road, drop 3 of the next 4.
16-17: Beat #1 Nova, lose 4 of the next 5.
17-18: Beat #13 hall by 20, lose 5 of the next 6.
18-19: One game away from a BE title, the locker room implodes after the Nova away game, and they lose 5 of their last 6.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: frozena pizza on February 19, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
We've had zero NCAA tournament success in years. It was a Tuesday night. Hauser transfers. We were ice cold the first half. It's getting very hard to get young people to focus on what's in front of them when they have their phones out. Students are mostly wealthy, academically focused kids who are not prioritizing going to games.

There are just a lot of factors leading to the lack of enthusiasm in the building.  Some specific to that game, some to Marquette, and some broader social trends.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 19, 2020, 09:06:31 AM
Student sections have been hot and warm throughout the years. A lot depends on the fan captains which don't seem to happen anymore with the bow tie seating. The DJs, Jump Around Guy, Shake Shack and the promotions are the only time there appears to be any charge of energy. The students are looking to be led versus bringing some spontaneity.

The exception this year has been the band and the front row crew behind the band basket.  I have seen years where the students boycotted the team and were cold towards Buzz (alleged sexual assault teams), but when the students are booing the coach, not standing for the fight song, putting up signs of lack of support for the coach, something isn't right.

We joke about us Vesties being a get off my lawn crew, but at the the BC, the students were the show.  At FF, it seems the students are looking for game operations to orchestrate something for them. I see little to no originality as they just seem to show up to be entertained.

It's been a weird vibe lately with the students. What's going on there? Is there resentment because of the transfers and Ed?

The band is consistently the best organized, loudest, and most excitable part of the student section.  Year in and year out.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
Start playing in the Al.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:18:47 AM
Single game tickets and season tickets.

There is tons of seats left unsold in 114, 102 & 103 for season tickets that are better seats than the student sections.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2020, 09:20:22 AM
This is dumb.  Wait til the SH game.  Scoopers will be saying "Holy cow....shout out to the students who really showed up and were loud."

I loved that the reason students aren't showing up on a Tuesday night is because the Hausers transferred. Love it.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:21:50 AM
We still had about 1,900 students show up. Many schools in the country would die for that for their hoops games.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
There is tons of seats left unsold in 114, 102 & 103 for season tickets that are better seats than the student sections.

How much is a student ticket?  $150?  $200? 

Sell that seat for $30 a game and you make money if you can sell it 7 times. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:22:34 AM
We still had about 1,900 students show up. Many schools in the country would die for that for their hoops games.

Ok then make the student section 1,900 seats.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 09:30:29 AM
Ok then make the student section 1,900 seats.

I like the idea that MU prioritizes student seats. Having also been at a bigger school, the process of entering a lottery and hoping to get tickets each year was often disappointing. Giving current students a nice benefit like having great seats in a great arena for a low price is a really cool thing about MU basketball. To me, student section involvement is a really cool thing that sets college sports apart from professional. It's a better fan environment.

That said, it would be great if there were more ways to get students involved and coming to more games. Of course, winning is a big part of that, but finding ways to draw students to weeknight games should be something for the athletic department to work on in future  years. I don't think MU should take seats away; just find more incentives to get the students involved.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:32:55 AM
Ok then make the student section 1,900 seats.
Why? Marquette sells 2,900 in season tickets.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
How much is a student ticket?  $150?  $200? 

Sell that seat for $30 a game and you make money if you can sell it 7 times.

Marquette could only sell those seats about two times a year at a normal cost. Heck, that is why they do be a student a dirt cheap price.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
I don't think MU should take seats away; just find more incentives to get the students involved.

Marquette did last night.
-Free chicken sandwich to the first 1000.
-Double bonus night on your points.
-Free tickets to seniors.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2020, 09:37:27 AM
This is dumb.  Wait til the SH game.  Scoopers will be saying "Holy cow....shout out to the students who really showed up and were loud."

I loved that the reason students aren't showing up on a Tuesday night is because the Hausers transferred. Love it.

You can scoff at it, but I have heard this sentiment from some students. After all, these students were friends with the Hausers too. There is a rift, whether big, small or mostly imagined we’ll see on Senior Night I guess. 

There is a weird vibe this year, even before yesterday’s game. I have never seen students sit on their hands during the fight song.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 19, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
Maybe it’s just not an enjoyable team to watch play? We’ve got a lot of nice players but are they really “competing” night in and night out or are they just hoping for shots to fall?

Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Eldon on February 19, 2020, 09:43:40 AM
Yes!  It's been years since I've seen that actually work.

+1

Awesome
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: UWW2MU on February 19, 2020, 09:45:58 AM
Marquette did last night.
-Free chicken sandwich to the first 1000.
-Double bonus night on your points.
-Free tickets to seniors.


It's like people have you on ignore or something.    :D
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:47:13 AM
Marquette could only sell those seats about two times a year at a normal cost. Heck, that is why they do be a student a dirt cheap price.

They could really only sell those seats 2 times a year?  Not sure I believe that.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Coleman on February 19, 2020, 09:48:26 AM
It was a top 15 team against a top 20 Marquette team.

If that’s not enough, time to shrink the section and make money off those seats.

You keep repeating this as if the more often you say it, the more likely it will be to come true.

It was a Tuesday night game. I was at MU the same time you were. We had lots of mid-week games that had half empty student sections, even when we were ranked. It is what it is. I don't care if the student section shrinks, but this is not some new phenomenon that is only limited to current students.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 19, 2020, 09:50:07 AM
You keep repeating this as if the more often you say it, the more likely it will be to come true.

It was a Tuesday night game. I was at MU the same time you were. We had lots of mid-week games that had half empty student sections, even when we were ranked. It is what it is. I don't care if the student section shrinks, but this is not some new phenomenon that is only limited to current students.

(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
Marquette did last night.
-Free chicken sandwich to the first 1000.
-Double bonus night on your points.
-Free tickets to seniors.

Yikes. If free food and free tickets won't work, then you've got a pretty big challenge to fill those seats.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
I have never seen students sit on their hands during the fight song.

I've been seeing this since 2015.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:52:39 AM

It's like people have you on ignore or something.    :D
I know.  8-)
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2020, 09:52:52 AM
You can scoff at it, but I have heard this sentiment from some students. After all, these students were friends with the Hausers too. There is a rift, whether big, small or mostly imagined we’ll see on Senior Night I guess. 

There is a weird vibe this year, even before yesterday’s game. I have never seen students sit on their hands during the fight song.
Well, if you hear that sentiment reiterated again.....please tell them to get over it from me.  The Hausers left.  Their choice. They took their ball and went home.  Will they get over it next year?  Year after that?  Will Wojo have to deal with some student's love for the Hausers his entire tenure? Tell them to celebrate a Burger boy coming in. Tell them to celebrate and enjoy the NPOY candidate and MU's all time leading scorer in the meantime.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 09:53:37 AM
Why? Marquette sells 2,900 in season tickets.

Exactly.  This is such a stupid topic.  Marquette sells season tickets to a huge percentage of its students compared to most places.  And the student section is usually pretty involved.  It's a weeknight.  People work...have class...perhaps have tests the next day.  Don't turn your priorities into their priorities.

The students aren't a problem.  And for God's sakes Fiserv isn't a problem.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
Start playing in the Al.

Are you in high school? Because I'd hope someone above 18 would have a grasp of the financial benefit of playing at the Fiserv vs the Al, not to mention the stadium is below the necessary capacity to play in the BE.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2020, 09:55:08 AM
I've been seeing this since 2015.

I have sat next to the student sections for 15 years and have never seen it, especially in a conference game with a couple of minutes to go down only two possessions.  Which games?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 09:56:56 AM
They could really only sell those seats 2 times a year?  Not sure I believe that.

At a normal cost which would be $53 pet ticket. OK, maybe four games. Villanova, DePaul, Butler and Seton Hall.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: cheebs09 on February 19, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
I have sat next to the student sections for 15 years and have never seen it, especially in a conference game with a couple of minutes to go down only two possessions.  Which games?

Honestly, I didn’t bring much energy during the game. I don’t know if it was the ugly start by both teams or what. I feel TAMU’s post nailed it where there’s hesitancy to jump on the bandwagon. After a lot of marquee wins, the team doesn’t really build on it. The 6-1 stretch was great, but riding that into beating Nova on the road or another big win at home would have been huge.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2020, 10:00:40 AM
I have sat next to the student sections for 15 years and have never seen it, especially in a conference game with a couple of minutes to go down only two possessions.  Which games?

Well, I have missed 3 home games since 2003. The students sitting during a timeout when the fight song is being played has been happening since 2015.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 10:05:54 AM
Honestly, I didn’t bring much energy during the game. I don’t know if it was the ugly start by both teams or what. I feel TAMU’s post nailed it where there’s hesitancy to jump on the bandwagon. After a lot of marquee wins, the team doesn’t really build on it. The 6-1 stretch was great, but riding that into beating Nova on the road or another big win at home would have been huge.
Yeah I think this is what people mean when they say we don’t win big games. Of course we’ve won some big games when we’ve been desperate for a win i.e. at home vs Nova this year. But we don’t win pivotal games often enough. The kind of games that allow us to take the next step. @ Nova and last night are perfect examples.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
At a normal cost which would be $53 pet ticket. OK, maybe four games. Villanova, DePaul, Butler and Seton Hall.

Looks like student tickets are $140.  So you would make $72 a seat per assuming you can only sell it to those 4 games.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
Well, I have missed 3 home games since 2003. The students sitting during a timeout when the fight song is being played has been happening since 2015.

Since Wojo then?  His first season did have some boos...I don’t recall apathy. As I said, I have never noticed this in a Big East home game for sure...even during break. In fact, I think the two of the three rowdiest FF crowds were “Be a Student” games (Buffalo and Nova this year...with Wisconsin).

I will pay more attention in the upcoming games as maybe the loss spotlight just made it stand-out...although every one by me thought the same as me.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on February 19, 2020, 11:17:57 AM
-Double bonus night on your points.
What the fook are your "points?"  How lame of a 20 year-old do you have to be to care about double coupon night?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 19, 2020, 11:45:14 AM
I feel we go over this same topic every single year (Except its usually mid January when somebody brings it up)

1. The attendance has been great all year
2. The students have apathy? The board has apathy.
3. The students outnumber the sweaters in a ratio.
4. IT WAS A TUESDAY NIGHT!
5. IT WAS A TUESDAY NIGHT FOR A PROGRAM THAT HASN'T WON A TOURNAMENT GAME SINCE BEFORE THE SUPER SENIORS IN ATTENDANCE



BONUS
6. Put the product and excitement we used to have and the students will show back up.
7. IT WAS A TUESDAY NIGHT
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Coleman on February 19, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
I feel we go over this same topic every single year (Except its usually mid January when somebody brings it up)

1. The attendance has been great all year
2. The students have apathy? The board has apathy.
3. The students outnumber the sweaters in a ratio.
4. IT WAS A TUESDAY NIGHT!
5. IT WAS A TUESDAY NIGHT FOR A PROGRAM THAT HASN'T WON A TOURNAMENT GAME SINCE BEFORE THE SUPER SENIORS IN ATTENDANCE



BONUS
6. Put the product and excitement we used to have and the students will show back up.
7. IT WAS A TUESDAY NIGHT

Yup. Dumb thread.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: mu03eng on February 19, 2020, 12:06:35 PM
I disagree that it's a dumb thread. The apathy on social media(including this board) and in person is the highest I've experienced in the 20+ years of being a fan and to me it seems totally disconnected from the reality of where the program is. Some of it is tied to Wojo I'm sure but I'm not sure that all of it is. The question is, is it a societal trend, unique to MU, or some set of other factors.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Coleman on February 19, 2020, 12:14:41 PM
It is interesting to me that people think MU getting a #19 ranking for a week or two is going to suddenly change interest in the program. It is fun for fans like us who follow MU closely regardless, but it means next to nothing for casual fans or students who have witnessed exactly zero NCAA tournament wins during their time at Marquette (or even since they started high school, sadly).

It isn't rocket science. When we were making Sweet 16s, enthusiasm was up. If we start doing that again, people will care, and students will fill the student section. Sure, you could trim the student section, or the team could start winning in March.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 12:17:28 PM
It is interesting to me that people think MU getting a #19 ranking for a week or two is going to suddenly change interest in the program. It is fun for fans like us who follow MU closely regardless, but it means next to nothing for casual fans or students who have witnessed exactly zero NCAA tournament wins during their time at Marquette (or even since they started high school, sadly).

It isn't rocket science. When we were making Sweet 16s, enthusiasm was up. If we start doing that again, people will care, and students will fill the student section. Sure, you could trim the student section, or the team could start winning.
And the past two games show why. It’s very possible we drop another Saturday making 3 straight losses after cracking the top 25, and we’ll likely fall back out. I agree it takes more than that to fuel genuine enthusiasm particularly after the drought of postseason success under Wojo.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 12:19:08 PM
I also think this isn't a problem unique to Marquette.  Attendance at college basketball games has been dropping for awhile across the board.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 79Warrior on February 19, 2020, 12:21:07 PM
It is interesting to me that people think MU getting a #19 ranking for a week or two is going to suddenly change interest in the program. It is fun for fans like us who follow MU closely regardless, but it means next to nothing for casual fans or students who have witnessed exactly zero NCAA tournament wins during their time at Marquette (or even since they started high school, sadly).

It isn't rocket science. When we were making Sweet 16s, enthusiasm was up. If we start doing that again, people will care, and students will fill the student section. Sure, you could trim the student section, or the team could start winning in March.

True dat. Usually the quickest way to generate enthusiasm in any sport is to win. But, the team has been winning and this was an important game. Regardless, the bricklayer convention from the outset kept the crowd out of this game. Tough night to have a dismal shooting performance.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Babybluejeans on February 19, 2020, 03:53:57 PM
It is interesting to me that people think MU getting a #19 ranking for a week or two is going to suddenly change interest in the program. It is fun for fans like us who follow MU closely regardless, but it means next to nothing for casual fans or students who have witnessed exactly zero NCAA tournament wins during their time at Marquette (or even since they started high school, sadly).

It isn't rocket science. When we were making Sweet 16s, enthusiasm was up. If we start doing that again, people will care, and students will fill the student section. Sure, you could trim the student section, or the team could start winning in March.

THIS. Same goes for the notion that students should show up because MU is playing "#15 Creighton." Creighton may mean something to folks like us who play close attention to college bball, but most people don't give a crap about Creighton because, well, because it's Creighton. Students not showing up on a cold Tuesday night in February is a nothingburger.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Coleman on February 19, 2020, 04:17:26 PM
THIS. Same goes for the notion that students should show up because MU is playing "#15 Creighton." Creighton may mean something to folks like us who play close attention to college bball, but most people don't give a crap about Creighton because, well, because it's Creighton. Students not showing up on a cold Tuesday night in February is a nothingburger.

You are right. #15 Creighton is not going to outdraw unranked Louisville, unranked Syracuse, or unranked Notre Dame. The Big East is awesome this year and I am really enjoying it, but it just doesn't have the same number of big names that draw casual fans.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Litehouse on February 19, 2020, 04:18:38 PM
THIS. Same goes for the notion that students should show up because MU is playing "#15 Creighton." Creighton may mean something to folks like us who play close attention to college bball, but most people don't give a crap about Creighton because, well, because it's Creighton. Students not showing up on a cold Tuesday night in February is a nothingburger.
This is true, most casual fans (which includes most students) are more attracted by name than the actual status of the team.  Fans and students would show up in greater numbers for a team like UNC or UCLA, even though they're both pretty bad this year.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
THIS. Same goes for the notion that students should show up because MU is playing "#15 Creighton." Creighton may mean something to folks like us who play close attention to college bball, but most people don't give a crap about Creighton because, well, because it's Creighton. Students not showing up on a cold Tuesday night in February is a nothingburger.

Attendance in all sports tends to go up when top teams play one another. You don't need to closely follow college basketball to realize two top 25 teams should be a better game to watch than two bad teams.

Students not showing up for one of the biggest games of the year is a little concerning. I'm not ready to shrink the student section over it, but it's a trend that should be addressed. Or at least attempt to be addressed.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Lens on February 19, 2020, 04:58:48 PM
I think we're at a point where students are not coming out in full force unless its a Saturday.  Every generation made excuses to skip weeknights and this generation makes a lot more of them.  That said I think the tarps do a good job branding the arena,and they create a false fullness to the upper deck.  Beyond that I like having students in both endzones.  It creates energy on two sides of the arena instead of one. 

My advice, keep working the kids (incentives, communication, transportation) but understand 1900 might just be your M-Thurs reality.   
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 19, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
I also think this isn't a problem unique to Marquette.  Attendance at college basketball games has been dropping for awhile across the board.

I think this is probably the biggest factor. I haven't see any data on it nationwide, but I can say from personal experience that TAMU student attendance and energy is down across the board except in football. And it might be slightly down in football, hard to tell since there are so many of them.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Shooter Flatch on February 19, 2020, 05:04:37 PM
Just quit introducing them as the “best student section in the country.” Maybe say, “and the students who decided to show up today. “
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Johnny B on February 19, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
The result of 65 inch HD 1 inch thick smart tvs eh?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 19, 2020, 06:00:08 PM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Lens on February 19, 2020, 06:27:17 PM
Just quit introducing them as the “best student section in the country.” Maybe say, “and the students who decided to show up today. “

💯💯💯
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: vogue65 on February 19, 2020, 06:36:10 PM
Back when I was in school we walked two miles uphill though the snow to every game at the Bradley Center!

And we sat along the side, not in the end zone.  And we had dates, and we wore suits.
It was class.
Now it's like Princeton, brovo, brovo.
The audience reacts to good plays, it does not generate enthusiasm. 
I went to my 50th anniversary, what a bunch of "successful" stiffs.
As someone here has said, mission accomplished, M.U. is now a nerd school.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 06:40:08 PM
The rowdiness stopped when Larry Williams stopped the "hey! you suck!" during that one song. Then it continued to get worse and worse, now it's depressing that they have an instructional cheering video for the students before the game
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Silent Verbal on February 19, 2020, 06:42:38 PM
I disagree that it's a dumb thread. The apathy on social media(including this board) and in person is the highest I've experienced in the 20+ years of being a fan and to me it seems totally disconnected from the reality of where the program is. Some of it is tied to Wojo I'm sure but I'm not sure that all of it is. The question is, is it a societal trend, unique to MU, or some set of other factors.

“The reality of where the program is at”?

We haven’t won an NCAA Tournament game in 6 years and during that entire time have only been ranked in the Top 25 for a handful of weeks.  That’s what the casual fan sees.  That’s what students who are on the fence about going to games see.  Most people don’t know anything about Karim Mane or unicorns or Stan’s tweets or whatever else.  They just see the bottom line of the last few years.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
Are you in high school? Because I'd hope someone above 18 would have a grasp of the financial benefit of playing at the Fiserv vs the Al, not to mention the stadium is below the necessary capacity to play in the BE.
What is the necessary capacity to play in the BE?
I didn't know they had a minimum requirement.
Pavillion is like 6500?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 94Warrior on February 19, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
All blame to the most uninspiring cheer in the history of sports:

"Fire Up, Mar-quette, Fire Up"
"Fire Up, Mar-quette, Fire Up"

Must have heard that 5-6 times last night.  It really gets under my skin.   >:(
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 19, 2020, 06:55:12 PM
The tarps look OK on TV.  It’s not ideal but the branding looks better than the empty upper deck of the BC.

I am always caught off guard in the rare occasion when I don’t see “WE ARE MARQUETTE” tarps in the background of a replay driving to hoop
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Lens on February 19, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
The rowdiness stopped when Larry Williams stopped the "hey! you suck!" during that one song. Then it continued to get worse and worse, now it's depressing that they have an instructional cheering video for the students before the game

I never thought of that but it computes.  We also need someone who cares.  The CMO, Tom Crean cared.  He couldn't coach but he knew what he wanted in the student section + game ops.  It's been a slow burn down since. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 07:23:54 PM
What is the necessary capacity to play in the BE?
I didn't know they had a minimum requirement.
Pavillion is like 6500?

My understanding was there was a law about 10k that the Johnnies and Nova get away with because they have games at the big arenas as well. Maybe it was a myth but I swear I heard that at some point
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: CountryRoads on February 19, 2020, 07:35:43 PM
The rowdiness stopped when Larry Williams stopped the "hey! you suck!" during that one song. Then it continued to get worse and worse, now it's depressing that they have an instructional cheering video for the students before the game

Sad day when that song stopped playing. It’s really gone down hill. I remember showing up to a game an hour early at 10am on a Sunday morning and the students were filled to the rafters chanting “F**k Wake Forest” as they took the floor for warmups. Teams also used to get booed loudly and there was just much more energy in the arena before and during games. The moderately lame “I believe we will win” chant to start the games would be looking pretty good right now.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 07:44:42 PM
Sad day when that song stopped playing. It’s really gone down hill. I remember showing up to a game an hour early at 10am on a Sunday morning and the students were filled to the rafters chanting “F**k Wake Forest” as they took the floor for warmups. Teams also used to get booed loudly and there was just much more energy in the arena before and during games. The moderately lame “I believe we will win” chant to start the games would be looking pretty good right now.

Agreed, add all that to the fact that there's no more ticket for the big confetti show after the first basket.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 19, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
You keep repeating this as if the more often you say it, the more likely it will be to come true.

It was a Tuesday night game. I was at MU the same time you were. We had lots of mid-week games that had half empty student sections, even when we were ranked. It is what it is. I don't care if the student section shrinks, but this is not some new phenomenon that is only limited to current students.

This. Even during the Wade years midweek games didn’t result in the student section filling up.

Gonzaga isn’t always filling the Kennel Club and Duke isn’t always filling their student section these days. Sings of the times in college sports.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 19, 2020, 09:54:35 PM
The rowdiness stopped when Larry Williams stopped the "hey! you suck!" during that one song. Then it continued to get worse and worse, now it's depressing that they have an instructional cheering video for the students before the game

Please bring that back. I loved it as a kid.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUDPT on February 19, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
I was thinking today at work, when’s the last time we sold out a mid week game, 09 against UConn?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 10:15:03 PM
I was thinking today at work, when’s the last time we sold out a mid week game, 09 against UConn?

Cuse 2011 probably. Though I'd have to imagine a game in 2012 or 2013 was sold out given the success of those teams
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
I was thinking today at work, when’s the last time we sold out a mid week game, 09 against UConn?
Cuse for sure. Monday night.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 11:05:19 PM

Gonzaga isn’t always filling the Kennel Club and Duke isn’t always filling their student section these days. Sings of the times in college sports.

Is that really true? I have a hard time believing that.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 06:19:48 AM
I was thinking today at work, when’s the last time we sold out a mid week game, 09 against UConn?
Last time. Plus, only time on the Bradley Center history.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 06:20:42 AM
Cuse for sure. Monday night.
Nope. Was 16k range.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Johnny B on February 20, 2020, 06:30:50 AM
Wasn't uconn a Friday nighter ?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUDPT on February 20, 2020, 07:08:16 AM
Wasn't uconn a Friday nighter ?

Definitely a Wednesday.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 20, 2020, 07:37:28 AM
This is true, most casual fans (which includes most students) are more attracted by name than the actual status of the team.  Fans and students would show up in greater numbers for a team like UNC or UCLA, even though they're both pretty bad this year.

We'll get an answer to this one soon enough.  I've got UCLA alums in my family, so I personally can't wait until this series begins.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2020, 07:40:05 AM
Nope. Was 16k range.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=330560269
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 20, 2020, 07:49:25 AM
Last time. Plus, only time on the Bradley Center history.


Was there, all around a crapty night
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 08:14:22 AM
Definitely a Wednesday.

I think it was a 6pm ESPN as well.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 08:15:40 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=330560269

Wow. Winner winner, chicken dinner!  ;)
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: CreightonWarrior on February 20, 2020, 08:24:41 AM
Just curious, has there been a pinpointed reason attendance is down? Is it TV? I feel like basketball is a lot easier to experience in person than football and I also don’t feel like college basketball is very experience to experience.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 20, 2020, 08:25:02 AM
Highest I could find was against ND 2011 it was 91% full. Impressive considering it was over break.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2020, 08:30:50 AM
Just curious, has there been a pinpointed reason attendance is down? Is it TV? I feel like basketball is a lot easier to experience in person than football and I also don’t feel like college basketball is very experience to experience.

I'm pretty certain the reason for attendance decreasing in college basketball in general is television.  But I think other factors are in play, such as conference changes and the aging popluation of college basketball fans.  This is a couple of years old but...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-sports-with-the-oldest-and-youngest-tv-audiences-2017-06-30

Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2020, 08:35:01 AM
Wow. Winner winner, chicken dinner!  ;)

You were off 49  ;D
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
I don't want to shrink the students, but I think the bow-tie experiment needs to come to an end.

Separating the students has had a negative effect in general, and I think it's infected the gameday experience overall.

1. You lose the mob mentality of the mass of students.
2. The coordination between the sections is almost impossible and results in a janky echo of cheers.
3. More prime seats gives a reason to show up later for games. Less waiting for students, but there's a lot of excitement, friendships and knowledge cultivated in waiting outside. This may be the most important loss in the Fiserv. It's also always a way for the coach and players to get cheap interaction with the students.
4. Less 'front row, rowdy' students has less effect on the rest of the section. Put them back together for one solid section and it will rub off on the rest.

My proposal is to put 101, 121 & 122 back into the general population. Give 109 & 114 to the students in addition to 110, 111, 112 & 113. Tarp off the top wedges of 114 & 109 to concentrate the students behind the basket for low volume games.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 20, 2020, 09:09:00 AM
Just quit introducing them as the “best student section in the country.” Maybe say, “and the students who decided to show up today. “

Not even from a bitter sweatervest perspective of "back in my day" but I would just love to hear someone say this. It would add comic relief.

That said, at least we aren't texas.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUfan12 on February 20, 2020, 09:19:03 AM
I don't want to shrink the students, but I think the bow-tie experiment needs to come to an end.

Separating the students has had a negative effect in general, and I think it's infected the gameday experience overall.

1. You lose the mob mentality of the mass of students.
2. The coordination between the sections is almost impossible and results in a janky echo of cheers.
3. More prime seats gives a reason to show up later for games. Less waiting for students, but there's a lot of excitement, friendships and knowledge cultivated in waiting outside. This may be the most important loss in the Fiserv. It's also always a way for the coach and players to get cheap interaction with the students.
4. Less 'front row, rowdy' students has less effect on the rest of the section. Put them back together for one solid section and it will rub off on the rest.

My proposal is to put 101, 121 & 122 back into the general population. Give 109 & 114 to the students in addition to 110, 111, 112 & 113. Tarp off the top wedges of 114 & 109 to concentrate the students behind the basket for low volume games.

I like this idea a lot. And you're 100% right about the experience waiting for the seats... now almost 15 years later I'm still friends with people I met in line. And a few of them I still have season tickets with.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2020, 09:22:43 AM
Not even from a bitter sweatervest perspective of "back in my day" but I would just love to hear someone say this. It would add comic relief.

That said, at least we aren't texas.
As long as those darn kids are staying off my lawn.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 20, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
I like this idea a lot. And you're 100% right about the experience waiting for the seats... now almost 15 years later I'm still friends with people I met in line. And a few of them I still have season tickets with.

Yeah the memory of drinking four lokos at 4am in line for the WI and ND games, and taking turns making George Webb's runs are some of my favorites.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 09:37:18 AM
Just curious, has there been a pinpointed reason attendance is down? Is it TV? I feel like basketball is a lot easier to experience in person than football and I also don’t feel like college basketball is very experience to experience.

In MU's case attendance is up from last year. Last year, was up from year's past.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2020, 09:43:32 AM
I like this idea a lot. And you're 100% right about the experience waiting for the seats... now almost 15 years later I'm still friends with people I met in line. And a few of them I still have season tickets with.

<that moment when Millennials become Vesties >  ;D
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 09:44:44 AM
I don't want to shrink the students, but I think the bow-tie experiment needs to come to an end.

Separating the students has had a negative effect in general, and I think it's infected the gameday experience overall.

1. You lose the mob mentality of the mass of students.
2. The coordination between the sections is almost impossible and results in a janky echo of cheers.
3. More prime seats gives a reason to show up later for games. Less waiting for students, but there's a lot of excitement, friendships and knowledge cultivated in waiting outside. This may be the most important loss in the Fiserv. It's also always a way for the coach and players to get cheap interaction with the students.
4. Less 'front row, rowdy' students has less effect on the rest of the section. Put them back together for one solid section and it will rub off on the rest.

My proposal is to put 101, 121 & 122 back into the general population. Give 109 & 114 to the students in addition to 110, 111, 112 & 113. Tarp off the top wedges of 114 & 109 to concentrate the students behind the basket for low volume games.

Problem with that is you are giving two sections that has solid chuck for season tickets to just go to the students. While 101 & 102 would not have that same demand or you can't charge that high of cost.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Coleman on February 20, 2020, 09:47:12 AM
TV definitely plays a factor. Not only are affordable 60" HD TVs a factor,  there was no Fox Sports 1 or Fox Sports 2 ten years ago. There was ESPN and ESPN2. Every MU game being on TV is a relatively recent phenomenon.

That said, as I have said, this attendance is nothing new. We haven't been selling out, or packing student sections, on weeknight games since the Al years, and that was in a much smaller arena.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2020, 09:55:39 AM
Problem with that is you are giving two sections that has solid chuck for season tickets to just go to the students. While 101 & 102 would not have that same demand or you can't charge that high of cost.

Were the end court sections not popular in the BC? I had seasons there, and it was frequently the same people year after year. Now I see them all scattered in the upper deck.

Every change is a problem, I think the morgue environment at the Fiserv is a bigger problem.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2020, 10:03:19 AM
Were the end court sections not popular in the BC? I had seasons there, and it was frequently the same people year after year. Now I see them all scattered in the upper deck.

Every change is a problem, I think the morgue environment at the Fiserv is a bigger problem.


Is it really any different than the BC was?  It doesn't seem like it to me. 

And I think the idea that college basketball arenas are always full and loud just isn't accurate.  Been to the Kohl Center lately?  It's just as morgue-like as Fiserv.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2020, 10:04:42 AM

Is it really any different than the BC was?  It doesn't seem like it to me. 

And I think the idea that college basketball arenas are always full and loud just isn't accurate.  Been to the Kohl Center lately?  It's just as morgue-like as Fiserv.

Yes, I do. I think there's a large difference and the bowtie is part of the issue.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUfan12 on February 20, 2020, 10:06:10 AM

Is it really any different than the BC was?  It doesn't seem like it to me.

BC was louder. The difference is bigger for Bucks games than MU, but it is noticeable.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Litehouse on February 20, 2020, 10:06:56 AM
Problem with that is you are giving two sections that has solid chuck for season tickets to just go to the students. While 101 & 102 would not have that same demand or you can't charge that high of cost.
Only the front half of 109 and 114 are sold with season tickets.  Almost all of those people would fit in 122, which I would think is a more desirable ticket.

I like the same side idea and mentioned it earlier.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
Were the end court sections not popular in the BC? I had seasons there, and it was frequently the same people year after year. Now I see them all scattered in the upper deck.

Every change is a problem, I think the morgue environment at the Fiserv is a bigger problem.

Cost might be a reason on your first question. I do not think FF is a morgue compared to the BC.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2020, 10:11:22 AM
anyone notice that some of the student sections at other places are some of the bet seats in the house?  MSU-the first ? rows mid-court?  cameron crazies for example.  we stuff ours off to the side in the zones. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Only the front half of 109 and 114 are sold with season tickets.  Almost all of those people would fit in 122, which I would think is a more desirable ticket.

I like the same side idea and mentioned it earlier.

109 & 114 is an angle sections. 122 is behind a basket. Way worse of a seat. I sat in 114 last year. This year, I'm in 103. You don't want to give up that money of STH for sales if you are Marquette.

114 is a huge section. About 33 rows. Yes, many seats are left in both 114 & 109, yet they are always at a high cost on the weekends, which get sold.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2020, 10:15:00 AM
anyone notice that some of the student sections at other places are some of the bet seats in the house?  MSU-the first ? rows mid-court?  cameron crazies for example.  we stuff ours off to the side in the zones. 

Those two are definitely exceptions and have arenas built for that purpose.  The vast, vast majority of P6 schools do what we do.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
anyone notice that some of the student sections at other places are some of the bet seats in the house?  MSU-the first ? rows mid-court?  cameron crazies for example.  we stuff ours off to the side in the zones.

We also don't have 72,000 seat Spartan Stadium which the $$$ comes.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Litehouse on February 20, 2020, 10:22:13 AM
109 & 114 is an angle sections. 122 is behind a basket. Way worse of a seat. I sat in 114 last year. This year, I'm in 103. You don't want to give up that money of STH for sales if you are Marquette.

114 is a huge section. About 33 rows. Yes, many seats are left in both 114 & 109, yet they are always at a high cost on the weekends, which get sold.

I disagree they'd be giving up money.  The Bucks sell 122 for more than 109 & 114.  These are their pricing tiers for 10-game packs.
https://www.nba.com/resources/static/team/v2/bucks/10-Game_Plans_map-Horizontal-190828.jpg
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2020, 10:26:30 AM
Were the end court sections not popular in the BC? I had seasons there, and it was frequently the same people year after year. Now I see them all scattered in the upper deck.

Every change is a problem, I think the morgue environment at the Fiserv is a bigger problem.

While there are pros and cons with the bow tie (and I agree with you), there has been a big effort on orchestrated entertainment. Most everything is produced so people sit on their hands and watch. While that element is much improved, the craziness has been toned down (as noted, on purpose in many cases).

As to attendance, 14,329 paid or 82.6% of capacity of 17,341. From Nielsen, we know 1900/2900 students showed, or 65.5%. Not sure of the “showed” count overall, but I would guess it was well north of 65.5% as it was pretty filled out. With 2:00 minutes to go, FF was emptied out and Wojo was sitting.  Many things just aren’t clicking...while overall many things are at FF in terms of fan experience to give credit.  I know, we are spoiled.

As I said, the liveliest crowds at FF so far have been two break games and the UW-M game where alums have filled in a lot more seats. Weird vibe for this Vestie to see the alums leading the energy (and a anti-Wojo student sentiment). I actually heard complaints that Jump Around guy was unable to attend the NMD game and they had to put clips of him on the screen to get the place going.  Wtf? Rick is 70...he should charge a licensing fee.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
I disagree they'd be giving up money.  The Bucks sell 122 for more than 109 & 114.  These are their pricing tiers for 10-game packs.
https://www.nba.com/resources/static/team/v2/bucks/10-Game_Plans_map-Horizontal-190828.jpg

Ya, good point/find!
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUfan12 on February 20, 2020, 10:31:26 AM
As I said, the liveliest crowds at FF so far have been two break games and the UW-M game where alums have filled in a lot more seats. Weird vibe for this Vestie to see the alums leading the energy (and a anti-Wojo student sentiment).

That Buffalo game was wild. The extended Friday happy hour helped a good deal.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2020, 10:32:19 AM
Cost might be a reason on your first question. I do not think FF is a morgue compared to the BC.

Cost is likely a reason, there was a solid 30-something crowd in those seats.

If you take away both MCs and Snack Daddy, how does the comparison shake out? Those three are a completely different issue as well.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
That Buffalo game was wild. The extended Friday happy hour helped a good deal.

It was also MPS Night for students and their families. Many were very excited to be at FF as they couldn’t afford a Bucks game normally. MU made a lot of MKE fans that night. I think the Nova game was MPS night this season too.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 20, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
Just curious, has there been a pinpointed reason attendance is down? Is it TV? I feel like basketball is a lot easier to experience in person than football and I also don’t feel like college basketball is very experience to experience.

I think TV is a factor but honestly, I think the bigger factor is that igen just doesn't like sports as much as previous generations. Which is part of a greater trend, I think sports popularity has declined the last 2 or 3 generations.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2020, 11:12:34 AM
I think TV is a factor but honestly, I think the bigger factor is that igen just doesn't like sports as much as previous generations. Which is part of a greater trend, I think sports popularity has declined the last 2 or 3 generations.


Right.  Which is why the audiences consuming sports have gotten older. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on February 20, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
I think TV is a factor but honestly, I think the bigger factor is that igen just doesn't like sports as much as previous generations. Which is part of a greater trend, I think sports popularity has declined the last 2 or 3 generations.

How does the popularity of Barstool Sports and the legalization of sports betting play into your analysis? I think sports are just as popular now as they were with previous generations. The world just spins different now. TV, social media, and rising student debt might play into why students might be not showing up in person. The higher the MU bills, the tougher it is for students to justify costs of going out for a game or slacking on their studies. If you're a student and paying your own way, I believe you're much more focused on classes than basketball. Just a thought....
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2020, 11:29:22 AM
How does the popularity of Barstool Sports and the legalization of sports betting play into your analysis? I think sports are just as popular now as they were with previous generations. The world just spins different now. TV, social media, and rising student debt might play into why students might be not showing up in person. The higher the MU bills, the tougher it is for students to justify costs of going out for a game or slacking on their studies. If you're a student and paying your own way, I believe you're much more focused on classes than basketball. Just a thought....


Yeah I think it is generational. 

https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
How does the popularity of Barstool Sports and the legalization of sports betting play into your analysis? I think sports are just as popular now as they were with previous generations. The world just spins different now. TV, social media, and rising student debt might play into why students might be not showing up in person. The higher the MU bills, the tougher it is for students to justify costs of going out for a game or slacking on their studies. If you're a student and paying your own way, I believe you're much more focused on classes than basketball. Just a thought....

Legalization of sports gambling, in it's current format, is keeping people home as well. Why go to the game if you got money on 2-3 different games?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on February 20, 2020, 12:23:06 PM

Yeah I think it is generational. 

https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa



It's possible tailgates and the football tv experience get in the way. I am not a scientist though.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on February 20, 2020, 01:47:10 PM

Yeah I think it is generational. 

https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa


Again I think the world is just spinning differently these days. Football is a much better product on tv and the popularity of sports betting, esp in football, is likely keeping people home. Why go to a game when you can watch 3-4 games at home and have some side action? I think interest in sports is still high, just in different ways.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
College basketball student attendance is shrinking as well.  Some examples...

http://www.reflector-online.com/sports/article_a8623148-f682-11e7-b97c-8fa911e93467.html

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/student-attendance-dropping-for-duke-men-s-basketball-games-011917

https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2019/12/5/20997148/gonzaga-attendance-student-section

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2019-07-13/sdsu-aztecs-basketball-viejas-arena-turnstile-attendance-ticket-revenue

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/02/penn-mens-basketball-guest-column-steven-tydings-attendance-modern-realities-student-life

Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on February 20, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
Haven’t read the thread, but just wanted to say I was at the Creighton game and felt the students were into the game and loud. I’m usually hyper-critical of them, but for a Tuesday game against an under-valued (non big-name but really good) team, I felt they showed up and were loud. Three different Creighton possessions, their fake shot-clock countdown actually caused a quick BlueJay shot. It just seemed that every time they would ramp up their noise levels, MU would proceed to not get back on defense and it would result in another quick Creighton bucket.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: warriorchick on February 20, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
Please bring that back. I loved it as a kid.

DJ Snackdaddy played the Gary Glitter song the last time I was there.  Glow and I did the proper thing, but someone needs to teach the students.  I am pretty sure none of them were there when it got banned.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 20, 2020, 07:41:47 PM
Three different Creighton possessions, their fake shot-clock countdown actually caused a quick BlueJay shot. It just seemed that every time they would ramp up their noise levels, MU would proceed to not get back on defense and it would result in another quick Creighton bucket.

FWIW, those fake shot clock countdowns were loud enough to be heard on the broadcast and I noticed this as well. I've of course heard them on other broadcasts as well, but many games I don't notice them.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on February 20, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Good discussion.  I truly believe that we should shrink the student section for next year on a trial basis.  Reduce it from 3000 to 2500.  Sell the 500 to general public at student prices.  2500 students out of 11000 is still remarkable. 

I would much prefer a full house.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 20, 2020, 11:51:24 PM
Reduce it from 3000 to 2500.  Sell the 500 to general public at student prices.

I like the idea - not sure if the university does, but sounds like something worth trying.  Maybe even just sell 1500 student season tickets, and then put the other 1400 up on a as individual games.  Students get exclusive access 7 days before game day, then the get released to the public 2 days before game day.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 21, 2020, 02:37:55 AM
I don't want to shrink the students, but I think the bow-tie experiment needs to come to an end.

Separating the students has had a negative effect in general, and I think it's infected the gameday experience overall.

1. You lose the mob mentality of the mass of students.
2. The coordination between the sections is almost impossible and results in a janky echo of cheers.
3. More prime seats gives a reason to show up later for games. Less waiting for students, but there's a lot of excitement, friendships and knowledge cultivated in waiting outside. This may be the most important loss in the Fiserv. It's also always a way for the coach and players to get cheap interaction with the students.
4. Less 'front row, rowdy' students has less effect on the rest of the section. Put them back together for one solid section and it will rub off on the rest.

My proposal is to put 101, 121 & 122 back into the general population. Give 109 & 114 to the students in addition to 110, 111, 112 & 113. Tarp off the top wedges of 114 & 109 to concentrate the students behind the basket for low volume games.

Good discussion.  I truly believe that we should shrink the student section for next year on a trial basis.  Reduce it from 3000 to 2500.  Sell the 500 to general public at student prices.  2500 students out of 11000 is still remarkable. 

I would much prefer a full house.

I like both of these ideas.

I’ve seen lots of people give reasons why students aren’t coming. Studying, less interest in sports, disappointed in the team, etc.  You are just proving my point that there are more seats than demand.
I don’t really care why they aren’t coming.  The fact is they aren’t coming and the seats are going to waste.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: mu03eng on February 21, 2020, 07:47:30 AM
I like the idea - not sure if the university does, but sounds like something worth trying.  Maybe even just sell 1500 student season tickets, and then put the other 1400 up on a as individual games.  Students get exclusive access 7 days before game day, then the get released to the public 2 days before game day.

I agree conceptually but it doesn't work financially. Student season tickets means MU is getting the revenue for the seats regardless of the students attending the game. They almost don't care if they go, they've already got the cash. However, if they put those seats up on a game by game basis they are almost certainly going to get less total revenue than they would just selling the whole season. The only way to make that up is to charge market pricing on Big East games vs the buy games.

So maybe a slight tweak to your suggestion. Let's say it's $150 for season tickets, limit those to 1500 and convert the other 1500 to some sort of auxiliary student ticket program where they get access to all the season ticket stuff like shirt, etc and three guaranteed games that'll be big (say a non-con against UCLA, National Marquette Day, and Senior Day) and you get that for $50.....but you also get the right to buy tickets at the student ticket price for any game you want assuming the tickets are available. The tickets for the auxiliary are then released to the public 7 days before the game at normal public pricing.

That $100 delta per student can be made up in two or three games of normal public ticket pricing.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 21, 2020, 08:00:39 AM
Where is this general public bottled up demand for MU tickets? John & Mary Milwaukee aren't stormin' the Fiserv doors to bust in. Don't see it, hey?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2020, 08:08:11 AM
Where is this general public bottled up demand for MU tickets? John & Mary Milwaukee aren't stormin' the Fiserv doors to bust in. Don't see it, hey?


Yeah, all this bitching about the student section is ridiculous.  It's not like they are taking tickets away from the general public. 
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 21, 2020, 08:15:40 AM
Yep, that's what I've been saying. Not sure why some want to shrink a section that 2900 seats are sold for the whole season at $150 before the month of November. The public had many others seats to buy in 114, 109, 102 and 103, if they wanted to be in the lower bowl.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Coleman on February 21, 2020, 08:59:43 AM
Where is this general public bottled up demand for MU tickets? John & Mary Milwaukee aren't stormin' the Fiserv doors to bust in. Don't see it, hey?

Yep. This pesky little fact kind of undermines Titan's entire argument.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 21, 2020, 09:25:07 AM
I like the idea - not sure if the university does, but sounds like something worth trying.  Maybe even just sell 1500 student season tickets, and then put the other 1400 up on a as individual games.  Students get exclusive access 7 days before game day, then the get released to the public 2 days before game day.

I don't know the specific numbers, but Purdue limits its actual "guaranteed" season tickets for MBB. They they have a program that for about $100, you get full access to all sports* on campus -- except MBB (although you do get some preferred access...more on that in a second). Then, for an additional amount -- I think it's $15 -- you can join the Paint Crew and get guaranteed tickets to all MBB games (and get in early so you get the good seats -- bow tie seating, btw). Even if you don't join the Paint Crew, you still get free tickets to MBB but it's done on a lottery system if demand outpaces supply. The Paint Crew tickets for next season sold out within a couple hours two weeks ago. My daughter had no idea they would sell out that fast, so she didn't get them. But she really hasn't had too much difficulty getting tickets to games this season. They can also pay a little extra -- I think it's $10 -- to get into football games early for better seats, but they're guaranteed football tickets to every game with the initial $100 price so she didn't do that either. She enjoys the FB games, but not enough that she wants to sit in the stadium for an extra hour just to get better seats.

And yes, I understand that a school with 30,000 students and an on-campus arena is going to do things differently than MU. I just saw the discussion on limiting tickets, and thought others might be interested. Then again...they might not.


*The only sports that really matter are MBB, FB, WBB and VB, since all others are free anyway.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: cheebs09 on February 21, 2020, 09:32:43 AM
FWIW, those fake shot clock countdowns were loud enough to be heard on the broadcast and I noticed this as well. I've of course heard them on other broadcasts as well, but many games I don't notice them.

I was hoping they were going to do one that actually matched up with the time to really screw with Creighton’s heads. That really worked for MU and at least helped keep Creighton from getting into a rhythm.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2020, 09:52:27 AM
Yep. This pesky little fact kind of undermines Titan's entire argument.

I don’t think under any scenario other than free giveaways (an often used tactic under the Crean regime to stuff the rafters) could the MU Ticket Office not make a business case where converting and selling 500 close baseline student tickets wouldn’t be neutral positive. That’s $75,000 only to replace for very close seats. MU sold out the “Be a Student” packs at $75 if they sold 1000 packs (which was an increase from $50) for five games which already covers that, for instance.

But, that doesn’t really solve the weekday demand problem as MU seems to have no problem selling out the weekend games, especially with an attractive and popular pack plan. No question, some of the uppers will return to the lower bowl to fill it out...and it’s clear alumni with STHs show at a higher rate than students during the weekday. My problem with converting those seats is that it penalizes the students who do loyally show, not those disguised as a tarp.

The FF 2900 is a reduction from around 4000 @ the BC already, iirc. I am in favor of tossing the bow tie and unifying the students, not the reduction. There is something missing vibe-wise currently.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Miss Katie’s on February 21, 2020, 10:15:22 AM
Where is this general public bottled up demand for MU tickets? John & Mary Milwaukee aren't stormin' the Fiserv doors to bust in. Don't see it, hey?

+1
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Litehouse on February 21, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
From a revenue standpoint, it all comes down to Sec. 122.  There are 264 seats in that section, and they could get at least $900 for those season tickets.  That's $237,600 in additional revenue.  Expanding the student section on one side (109-114) and opening up 101 & 121 for season tickets would probably be a wash.

As others mentioned, consolidating the students would help with the atmosphere.  They're spread a little too thin right now.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 21, 2020, 10:44:10 AM
Jesus this argument is still going? The student section is fine.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2020, 11:18:55 AM
Where is this general public bottled up demand for MU tickets? John & Mary Milwaukee aren't stormin' the Fiserv doors to bust in. Don't see it, hey?

I'm saying if the students don't buy them, offer them to the public at student prices! There is a lack of affordable options for John and Mary, and this just might fit the bill.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: We R Final Four on February 21, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
Where is this general public bottled up demand for MU tickets? John & Mary Milwaukee aren't stormin' the Fiserv doors to bust in. Don't see it, hey?
I think the Bucks’ recent success also comes into play here. ~10 years ago, when the Bucks sucked and MU was good, Mary Milwaukee would spend her time and $ on an MU game rather than a sub .500 Bucks team. Now Mary wants to see Giannis and wouldn’t go two nights later to see Markus even if she had free tickets.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
Here is a fun fact: MU brings in more cash in just one row of floor seats than the entire student section altogether.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 21, 2020, 01:54:08 PM
Here is a fun fact: MU brings in more cash in just one row of floor seats than the entire student section altogether.

Let's make the court bigger so we can jam in more floor seats!
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: shoothoops on February 21, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
Play the games in the Old Gym. Have students line up down the long, narrow, low ceiling hallway in the basement starting from the back claustrophobic weight room being shared by half a dozen MU athletic teams at the same time. Good times.





Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 21, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
The other factor with students, (and I'm just speculating) but as the parent of a 20-year-old college student who loves basketball, is the 21 drinking age. These kids who are under 21 can get together in their apartments/dorms and drink cheaply and watch the games on TV.  Why go to the arena?  I know, they could get boozed up at home before the games, spend 2 hours sobering up at the game, then resume the partying after.  But I suspect a lot of them never make it out of the dorms.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Litehouse on February 21, 2020, 02:16:32 PM
The other factor with students, (and I'm just speculating) but as the parent of a 20-year-old college student who loves basketball, is the 21 drinking age. These kids who are under 21 can get together in their apartments/dorms and drink cheaply and watch the games on TV.  Why go to the arena?  I know, they could get boozed up at home before the games, spend 2 hours sobering up at the game, then resume the partying after.  But I suspect a lot of them never make it out of the dorms.
Yeah, but it's been that way for 35 years.  Although I could see how increased security and metal detectors at the arena making it more difficult for carry-ins could have an impact.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: warriorchick on February 21, 2020, 02:48:35 PM
Yeah, but it's been that way for 35 years.  Although I could see how increased security and metal detectors at the arena making it more difficult for carry-ins could have an impact.

Litehouse, back in our day, you didn't need to carry in. The drinking age was 18 and while I don't remember exactly, my guess is that a beer at Mecca was about a buck.

Legal or not, the day my college-age kid pays $11 for a beer is the day I decide he or she has too much spending money.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
Litehouse, back in our day, you didn't need to carry in. The drinking age was 18 and while I don't remember exactly, my guess is that a beer at Mecca was about a buck.

Legal or not, the day my college-age kid pays $11 for a beer is the day I decide he or she has too much spending money.

But we had to drink the beer in the MECCA concession hallways...but we could light up a coffin nail at our seats. How times have changed.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2020, 03:20:48 PM
Litehouse, back in our day, you didn't need to carry in. The drinking age was 18 and while I don't remember exactly, my guess is that a beer at Mecca was about a buck.

Legal or not, the day my college-age kid pays $11 for a beer is the day I decide he or she has too much spending money.

To be fair have you seen the attempts at carding at the Fiserv or the Bradley? I used a fake Id my freshman year that was literally laminated and it worked so 18 isn't stopping people. Of course it was 6.50 for a 24oz back then.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUEng92 on February 22, 2020, 09:17:57 AM
In my opinion, a college aged kid that doesn't want to go to a game because they can't drink at it is either not a sports fan or has a serious alcohol problem.  I knew a lot of people who really liked to drink but were able to last 3 hours without it while watching a crappy basketball team. I'm sure there are many reasons kids don't go to games, but I seriously doubt that is anywhere near the most common reason
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2020, 09:34:46 AM
In my opinion, a college aged kid that doesn't want to go to a game because they can't drink at it is either not a sports fan or has a serious alcohol problem.  I knew a lot of people who really liked to drink but were able to last 3 hours without it while watching a crappy basketball team. I'm sure there are many reasons kids don't go to games, but I seriously doubt that is anywhere near the most common reason

Lol, you must’ve been fun at parties at college.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 22, 2020, 09:42:30 AM
To be fair have you seen the attempts at carding at the Fiserv or the Bradley? I used a fake Id my freshman year that was literally laminated and it worked so 18 isn't stopping people. Of course it was 6.50 for a 24oz back then.

boots were made for just walking man...you could fit 4 or 5 "airline" hitters in each boot.  if you primed yourself properly before the game, those 8-10 lil guys were enough to get you and a couple of drinkin pals thru till the fat lady started singing anyway
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Goose on February 22, 2020, 02:32:38 PM
Serious question, could the be students fed up with the state of program? Fire Wojo signs and booing is the norm at MU and has not been seen since Dukiet.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: cheebs09 on February 22, 2020, 03:12:30 PM
Serious question, could the be students fed up with the state of program? Fire Wojo signs and booing is the norm at MU and has not been seen since Dukiet.

I’m a little nervous for boos on Wednesday. But then again, I don’t know if enough students will show up that it’s noticeable. MU desperately needs to beat Georgetown to stop the skid.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: CountryRoads on February 22, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
I’m a little nervous for boos on Wednesday. But then again, I don’t know if enough students will show up that it’s noticeable. MU desperately needs to beat Georgetown to stop the skid.

Just realizing now how big the Georgetown game has become for our NCAA hopes. Many on here will laugh and point to the “weak bubble” and assure us that MU is safely in the field, but losing this one puts us at 17-10 with our last 3 games being played as the underdog most likely.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BM1090 on February 22, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
I’m a little nervous for boos on Wednesday. But then again, I don’t know if enough students will show up that it’s noticeable. MU desperately needs to beat Georgetown to stop the skid.

The boos are going to be brutal. I still don't agree with it but I at least understand it on a 3 game skid.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on February 22, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
In my opinion, a college aged kid that doesn't want to go to a game because they can't drink at it is either not a sports fan or has a serious alcohol problem.  I knew a lot of people who really liked to drink but were able to last 3 hours without it while watching a crappy basketball team. I'm sure there are many reasons kids don't go to games, but I seriously doubt that is anywhere near the most common reason
Wow. Just wow.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: 79Warrior on February 22, 2020, 06:24:50 PM
Serious question, could the be students fed up with the state of program? Fire Wojo signs and booing is the norm at MU and has not been seen since Dukiet.

Perhaps. The declining student attendance sure speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Goose on February 22, 2020, 07:53:01 PM
79warrior

I actually applaud the students for taking a stance. For the last few years the program has been in quick sand and no one has better pulse than kids on campus. Xavier has a crap team this year and kids camped out for game today and our kids are booing and putting up Fire Wojo signs, good for them.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Eldon on February 22, 2020, 08:17:03 PM
Keep in mind that good student seats is no different from any other student service on campus.  You want to give your students a great, memorable experience.

Why?

Most practically, because today's students are tomorrow's alums (read: $$$).

Cutting out student seats for John & Mary Milwaukee strikes me as short-sighted, even if they did exist.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
Serious question, could the be students fed up with the state of program? Fire Wojo signs and booing is the norm at MU and has not been seen since Dukiet.

They certainly could be, but after seeing how fired up PC fans were today for their bad early losses, wrong side of the bubble team, I'm very disappointed in MU fans not showing up this past week to see two ranked teams play.   I mean, MUs "current state of the program" is better than PC ("currently") and you see how bad fans here act.  I'd prefer fans that support a good team, instead of constantly bitching that the team isn't as good as they think it should be.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BM1090 on February 22, 2020, 11:21:46 PM
79warrior

I actually applaud the students for taking a stance. For the last few years the program has been in quick sand and no one has better pulse than kids on campus. Xavier has a crap team this year and kids camped out for game today and our kids are booing and putting up Fire Wojo signs, good for them.

I'm a bit confused by this. Are you saying Xavier fans should also be booing? They have a team that will likely sneak into the tournament but they are camping out. Our fans can't be bothered to stop booing despite a better team.

I'd rather have their fans than ours.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Goose on February 23, 2020, 02:44:00 AM
BM1090

My point in earlier post is maybe the students  have thrown in the towel on Wojo. I was shocked to see X fans camping out for the nova game and was pointed that out for a comparison. We were ranked and playing good teams and the kids did not come out and X sucks and the kids did for them. Just seems to me there be something going on with our students in regards to the program.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 23, 2020, 02:57:08 AM
BM1090

My point in earlier post is maybe the students  have thrown in the towel on Wojo. I was shocked to see X fans camping out for the nova game and was pointed that out for a comparison. We were ranked and playing good teams and the kids did not come out and X sucks and the kids did for them. Just seems to me there be something going on with our students in regards to the program.

Sounds like they are entitled brats. Give me the X student section over ours
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUDPT on February 23, 2020, 06:17:11 AM
The “Fire Wojo” stuff seems to be led by Barstool Marquette and I’ll leave it at that. There were NO boos for the Creighton game.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 23, 2020, 06:30:33 AM
Sounds like they are entitled brats. Give me the X student section over ours

Sometimes I wonder what goes through someone’s mind when they decide to label the student body of their alma mater as “entitled brats” because they don’t go to a basketball game.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: BM1090 on February 23, 2020, 10:52:17 AM
BM1090

My point in earlier post is maybe the students  have thrown in the towel on Wojo. I was shocked to see X fans camping out for the nova game and was pointed that out for a comparison. We were ranked and playing good teams and the kids did not come out and X sucks and the kids did for them. Just seems to me there be something going on with our students in regards to the program.

Thanks for explaining further. If accurate, I'd definitely prefer their fans to ours.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: jesmu84 on February 23, 2020, 10:59:23 AM
They certainly could be, but after seeing how fired up PC fans were today for their bad early losses, wrong side of the bubble team, I'm very disappointed in MU fans not showing up this past week to see two ranked teams play.   I mean, MUs "current state of the program" is better than PC ("currently") and you see how bad fans here act.  I'd prefer fans that support a good team, instead of constantly bitching that the team isn't as good as they think it should be.

Mirrors scoop, eh?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: StillWarriors on February 23, 2020, 11:18:18 AM
Sounds like they are entitled brats. Give me the X student section over ours

Xavier's non-student fans are also into it and contribute to a great atmosphere at Cintas. I know everyone hates on Dayton fans, and I get it, but their crowd (students and non) totally get into games. Not just this year when they have an outstanding team. It's always that way.

I love MU hoops and Fiserv, but our crowds outside of the student section are largely just spectators passively watching rather than getting into it. I constantly find myself standing and then crouching or sitting back down at big moments in games so I don't block someone's view and very few get up. Our fans generally show up in great numbers and fill seats, but there seems to be an underlying frustration and I'll jump in when you prove it to me attitude rather than a ride or die support my team each game while in the thick of the fight. Currently, we've got a decent shot to go 10-8 or possibly 11-7 in conference and have a decent conf tourney seed. I would hope people help push the team toward that rather than pack it in or wait and see because we've lost 3 in a row and aren't where we want to be. Whether it is entitlement or just pent up frustration, that is where our fan base frustrates me at times.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2020, 12:27:34 PM
The “Fire Wojo” stuff seems to be led by Barstool Marquette and I’ll leave it at that. There were NO boos for the Creighton game.

Nothing good comes from anything affiliated with Barstool.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: mu-rara on February 23, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Sometimes I wonder what goes through someone’s mind when they decide to label the student body of their alma mater as “entitled brats” because they don’t go to a basketball game.
The student section consists of those that Scoop elitists want.  To many students with no MU connection until they got on campus.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
The student section consists of those that Scoop elitists want.  To many students with no MU connection until they got on campus.

What’s wrong with that? I had no MU connection and went to games all seven  semesters I was there, all during the Deane years.

Only wanting MU legacy kids on campus sounds pretty damn elitist.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: mu-rara on February 23, 2020, 01:15:09 PM
I'm far from a legacy kid.  I became a Warrior fan because of how good MU was in the 70's.  My parents didn't contribute a dime to my college education.  I was acccepted to UW. My Dad thought I was nuts for going to Marquette.

You are to be commended.  What attracted you to MU?
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2020, 01:59:24 PM
I'm far from a legacy kid.  I became a Warrior fan because of how good MU was in the 70's.  My parents didn't contribute a dime to my college education.  I was acccepted to UW. My Dad thought I was nuts for going to Marquette.

You are to be commended.  What attracted you to MU?

Legacy doesn’t mean coming from money. Anyone with a familial connection to MU is categorized as a “legacy” by admissions. That’s what I’m referring to.

Not having a previous connection does not prevent one from becoming a big fan once enrolled. You can have school pride in many facets of the school for whatever reason one chose to attend.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 02:03:08 PM
Sometimes I wonder what goes through someone’s mind when they decide to label the student body of their alma mater as “entitled brats” because they don’t go to a basketball game.

A bunch of the students that do go say the same things about the entitled brats.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Cheeks on February 23, 2020, 02:06:54 PM
The student section consists of those that Scoop elitists want.  To many students with no MU connection until they got on campus.

Why does that matter.  I came from 2000 miles away and was the first student to buy tickets two years in a row...MU Tribune photo to prove it as I lined up around 4:00am.

Xavier’s arena is on campus.  Providence home crowd on national TV playing a ranked team with ncaa hopes on the line...they did what I would expect them to.  They are hungry and not entitled like so many of our fans are.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: DienerTime34 on February 24, 2020, 12:25:00 PM
Have gone to a few big Bucks games this year (Bucks/76ers for example) and the building just does not get LOUD like it did for peak BC games. Don't get me wrong, when everyone was into it you could hear it, but they won't be pulling out any "Decibel Meters" or anything like that. And all the Bucks games are sellouts.

Unsurprising then that the usual 14-15k at a Marquette game don't exactly create an intimidating atmosphere.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: cheebs09 on February 24, 2020, 12:36:05 PM
Have gone to a few big Bucks games this year (Bucks/76ers for example) and the building just does not get LOUD like it did for peak BC games. Don't get me wrong, when everyone was into it you could hear it, but they won't be pulling out any "Decibel Meters" or anything like that. And all the Bucks games are sellouts.

Unsurprising then that the usual 14-15k at a Marquette game don't exactly create an intimidating atmosphere.

Is part of it the sound being directed more towards the court? The BC was so cavernous, the sound went up. I wonder if it’s louder on the court than the BC. This is just a unscientific speculation from a lifetime upper bowler.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: MUDPT on February 24, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Went with friends to DePaul game, sat in last row of upper deck. It was louder then anything I remember at the BC.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: DienerTime34 on February 24, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
Went with friends to DePaul game, sat in last row of upper deck. It was louder then anything I remember at the BC.

Just goes to show how people can perceive things differently. I was also at the DePaul game this year, didn't think it was nearly as loud as when Mike Kinsella sunk his second 3-pointer on Senior Day against Pitt in 2007. That's the loudest I've heard a stadium, followed by Bucks/76ers in the Conference Finals in 2001.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 24, 2020, 01:53:09 PM
Just goes to show how people can perceive things differently. I was also at the DePaul game this year, didn't think it was nearly as loud as when Mike Kinsella sunk his second 3-pointer on Senior Day against Pitt in 2007.

Both were very loud.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 24, 2020, 02:13:25 PM
Just goes to show how people can perceive things differently. I was also at the DePaul game this year, didn't think it was nearly as loud as when Mike Kinsella sunk his second 3-pointer on Senior Day against Pitt in 2007. That's the loudest I've heard a stadium, followed by Bucks/76ers in the Conference Finals in 2001.

Smh
A depaul game versus a evening college game day game versus a ranked Pitt?!

I literally cannot think of a worse comparison
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 24, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
The “Fire Wojo” stuff seems to be led by Barstool Marquette and I’ll leave it at that. There were NO boos for the Creighton game.

I was unware there was a barstool marquette. This also makes sense now, given that barstool is basically the worst parts of sports yelling radio housed in one neat package.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: StillWarriors on February 24, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
I was unware there was a barstool marquette. This also makes sense now, given that barstool is basically the worst parts of sports yelling radio housed in one neat package.

"Barstool Marquette" would simply be a MU student who acts as a "viceroy" in operating a social media account under that name and making sure the Barstool brand has a presence there. Corporate Barstool Sports is too busy making ridiculous amounts of money to be concerned with who the coach is at Marquette. That is a student pushing the fire Wojo nonsense, granted a student with a bigger platform than most because anything related to the Barstool brand is huge at just about every college and will have plenty of followers.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
Just looked at that barstool account on Twitter. It might be the worst fan social media thing ever to be associated with Marquette
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 24, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
I have sat next to the student sections for 15 years and have never seen it, especially in a conference game with a couple of minutes to go down only two possessions.  Which games?

Blackheart gets older, the students stay the same age.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2020, 06:18:41 PM
Blackheart gets older, the students stay the same age.

The walker is the same age, though.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 24, 2020, 06:21:50 PM
They certainly could be, but after seeing how fired up PC fans were today for their bad early losses, wrong side of the bubble team, I'm very disappointed in MU fans not showing up this past week to see two ranked teams play.   I mean, MUs "current state of the program" is better than PC ("currently") and you see how bad fans here act.  I'd prefer fans that support a good team, instead of constantly bitching that the team isn't as good as they think it should be.

Post of the year.
Title: Re: Shrink The Student Section
Post by: shoothoops on February 24, 2020, 06:34:56 PM
The student section consists of those that Scoop elitists want.  To many students with no MU connection until they got on campus.

Easily one of the better things about my Marquette experience was going to games with a half a dozen friends amongst a larger group. We were 5 states, 3 races, 2 countries. None of us had any MU ties prior.