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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muguru on February 17, 2020, 07:24:16 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzag.../#698de4e06437
League sources say Villanova coach Jay Wright could become the next head coach of the Knicks.
“There is a strong possibility that Jay Wright in New York could happen,” one league source said.
Reached by text Sunday, Wright did not offer a comment on the matter, while a Villanova spokesman said the school does not comment on speculative reports.
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Wojo to Nova
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Nah.
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https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2020/02/14/villanova-basketball-coach-jay-wright-lists-main.html#g/466934/15
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It'd be shocking seeing as they're essentially where the 76ers were back when he denied them, and he didn't have to move for that one
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I’d be surprised if he leaves but if he has the itch to try the NBA, he’s done more than enough at Villanova and better to try when you’re younger.
If he could help turn the Knicks around, he’d be a basketball legend. Still, that’s a gig that feels destined to fail
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I’d be surprised if he leaves but if he has the itch to try the NBA, he’s done more than enough at Villanova and better to try when you’re younger.
If he could help turn the Knicks around, he’d be a basketball legend. Still, that’s a gig that feels destined to fail
Not a single one of us knows what's in Jay Wright's head, Rico, but I like your take.
If Wright wants to try something else, he can probably get $10 million a year from Dolan, as well as keys to the entire operation. If he succeeds, he's the God of the Garden. If he doesn't, he goes back to college with his reputation intact as one of the great coaches at that level.
It's no different than Calipari ... except Wright has won more national titles, and has done so without even a hint of NCAA improprieties.
So if he has the itch, it's a no-lose situation for him.
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I thought it was interesting in the Belein thread the article I posted talked about free agency in college and how that could have been one of the impacts for him leaving. If free agency does come to pass aside from annihilating the sport at the mid an$ lower levels, how many coaches will want to deal with that crap?
But ...progress.....
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Not a single one of us knows what's in Jay Wright's head, Rico, but I like your take.
If Wright wants to try something else, he can probably get $10 million a year from Dolan, as well as keys to the entire operation. If he succeeds, he's the God of the Garden. If he doesn't, he goes back to college with his reputation intact as one of the great coaches at that level.
It's no different than Calipari ... except Wright has won more national titles, and has done so without even a hint of NCAA improprieties.
So if he has the itch, it's a no-lose situation for him.
Didn't they just hire a GM?
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I thought it was interesting in the Belein thread the article I posted talked about free agency in college and how that could have been one of the impacts for him leaving. If free agency does come to pass aside from annihilating the sport at the mid an$ lower levels, how many coaches will want to deal with that crap?
But ...progress.....
Yes. I am sure colleges will find no one to coach their teams, and these coaches who make six and seven figure salaries will throw that all away to do...what exactly?
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And he lists his home for sale
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2020/02/14/villanova-basketball-coach-jay-wright-lists-main.html
Oh noes....
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And he lists his home for sale
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2020/02/14/villanova-basketball-coach-jay-wright-lists-main.html
Oh noes....
Yeah, we knew that. Reply #3 above.
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A year or two ago I this would have concerned me more. After this year I think the Big East is strong enough beyond Villanova, so this won't hurt as much. It could actually help Marquette a little by giving us a chance to step up.
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I thought it was interesting in the Belein thread the article I posted talked about free agency in college and how that could have been one of the impacts for him leaving. If free agency does come to pass aside from annihilating the sport at the mid an$ lower levels, how many coaches will want to deal with that crap?
But ...progress.....
Yeah because there is no free agency in the NBA...
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Villanova board says his kids are grown, and he's downsizing that's why he listing his place
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Yes. I am sure colleges will find no one to coach their teams, and these coaches who make six and seven figure salaries will throw that all away to do...what exactly?
You can always find someone to do something....XFL found players to play and it is exhilarating.
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Yeah, we knew that. Reply #3 above.
Didn’t see it in time
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You can always find someone to do something....XFL found players to play and it is exhilarating.
Yawn
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Yeah because there is no free agency in the NBA...
Except it is controlled by contracts and limited teams.....that won’t be the case in college hoops where no contracts exist and players can leave each year....MASSIVE difference. You also have a draft, much different than recruiting with guaranteed talent coming in yearly.
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Except it is controlled by contracts and limited teams.....that won’t be the case in college hoops where no contracts exist and players can leave each year....MASSIVE difference. You also have a draft, much different than recruiting with guaranteed talent coming in yearly.
Why is it, as always, must you frame these discussions 100 percent around what's best for the highly paid coaches and wealthy institutions, and never, ever what's in the best interests of the players?
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I would be a little surprised based on how Beilein has done in Cleveland. Now, Wright may be able to relate better to NBA players. However, I’m not sure why you’d leave a good job to walk into the disaster that is the Knicks.
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Except it is controlled by contracts and limited teams.....that won’t be the case in college hoops where no contracts exist and players can leave each year....MASSIVE difference. You also have a draft, much different than recruiting with guaranteed talent coming in yearly.
I have a solution! Treat players like employees and allow them to form a union! That way they could develop a collective bargaining agreement just like the players have in the NBA that could limit movement.
But I'm sure that's a bad idea too right?
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I would be a little surprised based on how Beilein has done in Cleveland. Now, Wright may be able to relate better to NBA players. However, I’m not sure why you’d leave a good job to walk into the disaster that is the Knicks.
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Yeah because there is no free agency in the NBA...
Or in college basketball and football coaching, where there is total free agency.
Even coaches with 5+ years on their contracts can leave, as long as their new employers are willing to pay the buyouts ... which almost all are.
The idea of any college coach complaining about player free agency is one of the biggest jokes in history. Lots of them are hypocrites who demand loyalty from everybody but themselves.
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I thought it was interesting in the Belein thread the article I posted talked about free agency in college and how that could have been one of the impacts for him leaving. If free agency does come to pass aside from annihilating the sport at the mid an$ lower levels, how many coaches will want to deal with that crap?
But ...progress.....
Apparently he dislikes the NBA more. Can't relate to the players among his issues. Word is he is very unhappy. Not sure his narrative fits your agenda.
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Except it is controlled by contracts and limited teams.....that won’t be the case in college hoops where no contracts exist and players can leave each year....MASSIVE difference. You also have a draft, much different than recruiting with guaranteed talent coming in yearly.
See Lakers, LBJ if you think that is bliss. Cartels of a different form, but cartels none-the-less. I love your concepts on a free market economy.
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Why is it, as always, must you frame these discussions 100 percent around what's best for the highly paid coaches and wealthy institutions, and never, ever wants in the best interests of the players?
To Cheeks, nothing tastes sweeter than the bottom of a boot
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The Knicks ownership is a train wreck and has been for a long time. And I think I am being charitable with that term.
IF Wright moves and if he is successful with the conditions he will be working under, whoever said he will be a legend is spot on.
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Didn't they just hire a GM?
Sure, but since when has Dolan had a plan?
The Knicks ownership is a train wreck and has been for a long time. And I think I am being charitable with that term.
IF Wright moves and if he is successful with the conditions he will be working under, whoever said he will be a legend is spot on.
Don't forget that just a few years ago, Phil Jackson went there to run basketball operations. He got an insane amount of money. It ended up being a shyte-show, and Jackson moved on. It will have been a teeny, tiny blip on his resume; nobody will argue he is any less a legend for having done it -- and he left with tens of millions of Dolan Dollars in his bank account.
If Wright still loves coaching college ball and he doesn't want to mess with the NBA at all, he will stay at Nova; he has everything he needs right there. If he wants a different challenge while he is still young enough to give it his full energy, and he wants the added benefit of zillions of buckaroos, the NBA might interest him.
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Sure, but since when has Dolan had a plan?
Don't forget that just a few years ago, Phil Jackson went there to run basketball operations. He got an insane amount of money. It ended up being a shyte-show, and Jackson moved on. It will have been a teeny, tiny blip on his resume; nobody will argue he is any less a legend for having done it -- and he left with tens of millions of Dolan Dollars in his bank account.
If Wright still loves coaching college ball and he doesn't want to mess with the NBA at all, he will stay at Nova; he has everything he needs right there. If he wants a different challenge while he is still young enough to give it his full energy, and he wants the added benefit of zillions of buckaroos, the NBA might interest him.
I remember it well. What I can't remember is if he was before or after Isiah Thomas - perhaps the biggest GOAT hire by Dolan. To be clear, in this case "GOAT" means Gag On A Turd.
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I think Wright tests the NBA at some point. Having said that, there is a zero percent chance anyone with half a brain goes to the Knicks as long as Dolan is running the show.
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https://twitter.com/danaoneilwriter/status/1229495274663534592?s=21
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I think Wright tests the NBA at some point. Having said that, there is a zero percent chance anyone with half a brain goes to the Knicks as long as Dolan is running the show.
Well, I'd argue that Phil Jackson has more than half a brain, given that he is one of the two best coaches in NBA history.
He went, he experienced some frustrations, he bolted. He emerged with his reputation 100% intact, and tens of millions of dollars more.
Sounds pretty smart to me.
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Well, I'd argue that Phil Jackson has more than half a brain, given that he is one of the two best coaches in NBA history.
He went, he experienced some frustrations, he bolted. He emerged with his reputation 100% intact, and tens of millions of dollars more.
Sounds pretty smart to me.
So knowing how frustrating Phil Jackson's tenure was, why would Jay Wright hypothetically want to endure the same levels of gross incompetence?
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Why is it, as always, must you frame these discussions 100 percent around what's best for the highly paid coaches and wealthy institutions, and never, ever what's in the best interests of the players?
Why is it that you don’t care about what this will do to mid majors, small schools and the best interests of those entities? If anything, you sure seem to be advocating for the haves and sharing on the have nots or the tweeners
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I have a solution! Treat players like employees and allow them to form a union! That way they could develop a collective bargaining agreement just like the players have in the NBA that could limit movement.
But I'm sure that's a bad idea too right?
I have a solution, too....the NBA can create a minor league system and if you want to be paid go get paid by them. You want an education, go to college. Plenty of paths.
The federal courts have ruled they are not employees for a reason....so yes it is a terrible idea and will ultimately relinquish opportunities mostly for women and minorities in athletics.
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Or in college basketball and football coaching, where there is total free agency.
Even coaches with 5+ years on their contracts can leave, as long as their new employers are willing to pay the buyouts ... which almost all are.
The idea of any college coach complaining about player free agency is one of the biggest jokes in history. Lots of them are hypocrites who demand loyalty from everybody but themselves.
Totally false. There is not total free agency and it is ridiculous and a plain lie to say there is. See Steve Alford...his buyout clause was so high even if we wanted to leave he couldn’t because no one was picking up the costs. Your suggestion anyone can leave at any time is absurd.
Some can, and their new school will pick up the buyout, but that is a far cry from total free agency that you stated. Absolutely wrong and absurd comment by you.
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Apparently he dislikes the NBA more. Can't relate to the players among his issues. Word is he is very unhappy. Not sure his narrative fits your agenda.
He dislikes a bunch of over paid players that don’t listen to the coach and mail it in because they have a guaranteed contract? I am shocked by this.
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To Cheeks, nothing tastes sweeter than the bottom of a boot
Ellenson loves the 1%, thr programs that will be decimated and the scholarships that go with them....F those kids...right Ellenson? F them. You and others want to take care of the 1%....it truly is amazing
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So knowing how frustrating Phil Jackson's tenure was, why would Jay Wright hypothetically want to endure the same levels of gross incompetence?
Three reasons:
1. $$$$$$$$$$
2. The challenge. These guys (even the nice ones like Jay) have big egos. They are competitive and driven. And they believe that just because 1 or 5 or 10 guys failed, it doesn't mean they will fail. The Cubs hadn't won in a century, yet they were able to lure the guy who was considered "the best manager available" three times in the last 20 years -- Baker, Piniella, Maddon. Each came knowing it had been a dumpster fire. Each was paid handsomely. Each figured that HE would be the one to bring that elusive championship. Just one example. Plenty of others. Including Phil Jackson. And Pitino. And Calipari. Etc, etc, etc.
3. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Why is it that you don’t care about what this will do to mid majors, small schools and the best interests of those entities? If anything, you sure seem to be advocating for the haves and sharing on the have nots or the tweeners
Because I believe your "sky is falling" chicken little ramblings are pure nonsense unsupported by any facts, evidence or historical precedent. It's at best groundless speculation, and more likely pure fiction by a perpetual defender of the status quo.
Rather, I believe mid-majors and small schools quite possibly will benefit by relaxed transfer rules that will allow them to add major-program players who more playing opportunities but don;t want to spend a year away from the game to get them.
Now, if you could please answer the question ... why is it your sole concern here is the well being is the six- and seven-figure coaches and the wealthy institutions, and not the best interests of the players?
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See Lakers, LBJ if you think that is bliss. Cartels of a different form, but cartels none-the-less. I love your concepts on a free market economy.
No such thing as a free market, said that many times and we all know that is the case.
You think the Milwaukee Bucks would be in first place right now without the current system? Not a chance in hell.
The NBA and every pro sports league secures talent long term contractually...this proposed nonsense some people here want for college would be each year movement. Couldn’t be more different if you tried.
Imagine the NBA having a situation where each year a guy could change teams...LOL....oh what fun that would be. Small market teams would be destroyed. The same will happen to smaller and mid level NCAA teams.
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He dislikes a bunch of over paid players that don’t listen to the coach and mail it in because they have a guaranteed contract? I am shocked by this.
He dislikes the fact that he arrived in the NBA to discover it's a helluva lot harder coaching against Greg Popovich, Nick Nurse and Mike Budenholzer than Chris Collins, Fran McCaffery and Greg Gard.
But sure, Beilein isn't the problem. The players are.
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No such thing as a free market, said that many times and we all know that is the case.
You think the Milwaukee Bucks would be in first place right now without the current system? Not a chance in hell.
The NBA and every pro sports league secures talent long term contractually...this proposed nonsense some people here want for college would be each year movement. Couldn’t be more different if you tried.
Imagine the NBA having a situation where each year a guy could change teams...LOL....oh what fun that would be. Small market teams would be destroyed. The same will happen to smaller and mid level NCAA teams.
It’s called the law of supply and demand. Does D1 college basketball really need 353 teams? Does D1 college football really need schools out of the P5, especially when the same few teams are always the winner?
Or, if they really cared about a free market, why don’t they reduce the number of scholarships available to spread the wealth and make sure all those other schools share in that DTV money? Or allow high school players to go right to the NBA? Or allow star players to get paid for their likenesses?
The answer: They are a cartel...and are trying control their haul. Did Northwestern football really need a $260 million football complex that’s ten times nicer than the Chicago Bears’ facilities?
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Yeah, we knew that. Reply #3 above.
Nice house. Has Wojo lisred his yet?
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Just checked in and saw the ad for his house. That house is completely staged, no one living there. No personal items, photos, food, etc. He's already living somewhere else. Someone said his kids are grown and he's downsizing? Makes total sense.
We've seen the article and immediate attacked each other. Trolls go back to bed. The sun is still up!
Go Marquette! Beat Creighton!
(But … You never know …)
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Three reasons:
1. $$$$$$$$$$
2. The challenge. These guys (even the nice ones like Jay) have big egos. They are competitive and driven. And they believe that just because 1 or 5 or 10 guys failed, it doesn't mean they will fail. The Cubs hadn't won in a century, yet they were able to lure the guy who was considered "the best manager available" three times in the last 20 years -- Baker, Piniella, Maddon. Each came knowing it had been a dumpster fire. Each was paid handsomely. Each figured that HE would be the one to bring that elusive championship. Just one example. Plenty of others. Including Phil Jackson. And Pitino. And Calipari. Etc, etc, etc.
3. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jay Wright is competent enough to realize James Dolan is one of the worst owners in all of sports and the deck is stacked against him from day 1. No coach in their right mind would go to the Knicks as long as Dolan is around.
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Just checked in and saw the ad for his house. That house is completely staged, no one living there. No personal items, photos, food, etc. He's already living somewhere else. Someone said his kids are grown and he's downsizing? Makes total sense.
We've seen the article and immediate attacked each other. Trolls go back to bed. The sun is still up!
Go Marquette! Beat Creighton!
(But … You never know …)
That's how clean I keep my house, especially with two pre-teen children
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Because I believe your "sky is falling" chicken little ramblings are pure nonsense unsupported by any facts, evidence or historical precedent. It's at best groundless speculation, and more likely pure fiction by a perpetual defender of the status quo.
Rather, I believe mid-majors and small schools quite possibly will benefit by relaxed transfer rules that will allow them to add major-program players who more playing opportunities but don;t want to spend a year away from the game to get them.
Now, if you could please answer the question ... why is it your sole concern here is the well being is the six- and seven-figure coaches and the wealthy institutions, and not the best interests of the players?
That’s not my sole concern and has never been my sole concern....EVER. I believe free agency will tear teams apart, the haves will benefit as good players move up, while teams are raided they will be hurt. Bad players will stay or move down.
That will ultimately cause fans of mid major schools and some high majors that are raided to give up....that will lead to schools moving to D2, reduced scholarships and opportunities.
I don’t particularly care if you don’t believe me, but those are my concerns. And when Mike and others say Free Agency didn’t destroy pro sports they are comparing an orange to an avocado. Pro sports has a draft and contracts, college sports does not. Pro sports are guaranteed a shot at good players each year, college are not. Pro sports can lock in their best players under contract, colleges cannot. It absolutely will wreak havoc on college sports, and it absolutely will not benefit the smaller schools.
So you couldn’t be more wrong again...that is where my concerns are...and they certainly aren’t with the big boys and rich schools that you see to want to benefit in this arrangement because those are the schools that will benefit.
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He dislikes the fact that he arrived in the NBA to discover it's a helluva lot harder coaching against Greg Popovich, Nick Nurse and Mike Budenholzer than Chris Collins, Fran McCaffery and Greg Gard.
But sure, Beilein isn't the problem. The players are.
That may be part of it, but I suspect it is a lot of things. Schedule, team is mailing it in, Coach has very little authority in the NBA, cannot discipline NBA players at all.....the players run the show and In college the coach does.
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He dislikes the fact that he arrived in the NBA to discover it's a helluva lot harder coaching against Greg Popovich, Nick Nurse and Mike Budenholzer than Chris Collins, Fran McCaffery and Greg Gard.
But sure, Beilein isn't the problem. The players are.
My read is that the players don’t like his style and it’s outdated. I believe the slugs/thugs issue maybe took this to the point of no return. It sounds like he lost the team. I’m not sure this is a Beilein volunteering to walk away scenario.
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It's interesting to hear his style is outdated. I thought it would translate well to the NBA, but that shows you what I know about the differences between modern NBA and college offenses.
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That’s not my sole concern and has never been my sole concern....EVER. I believe free agency will tear teams apart, the haves will benefit as good players move up, while teams are raided they will be hurt. Bad players will stay or move down.
That will ultimately cause fans of mid major schools and some high majors that are raided to give up....that will lead to schools moving to D2, reduced scholarships and opportunities.
So wait, you think programs like St. Louis, San Francisco, Bradley and Belmont are going to drop their programs because they lose a transfer or two?
Holy melodrama.
I've got some news for you ... fans of programs like those aren't fans because they think they're seeing a bunch of elite players on the court. They know who they are. They're fans because it's their school or alma mater or because it's the hometown team or because it's family tradition, etc.
That's the reason why they're fans today, and the reason they'll continue to be fans. It has virtually nothing to do with who's leading the scorer.
And the idea that teams are going to be "raided" annually is nonsense. The majority of mid- and low-major teams have no one on their rosters that the big programs want. Do you think Calipari is going to stop bringing in 3-4 McDonald's All Americans every year because he can get a guy who averaged 13 ppg at Austin Peay? Is Marquette going to start getting its players from UWGB and Northern Illinois?
As is the case today, the flow of players down will be much larger than the flow up.
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You are correct Pakuni, Chicos again argues just to hear himself speak. Could u imagine this guy in person?!
Guys like McEwen, Chartouney, the kid at villanova last year, rick smits kid at Butler, etcetc show how incredibly difficult it can be going from a big fish in a small pond to even a contributor at the highest of high majors
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You are correct Pakuni, Chicos again argues just to hear himself speak. Could u imagine this guy in person?!
Guys like McEwen, Chartouney, the kid at villanova last year, rick smits kid at Butler, etcetc show how incredibly difficult it can be going from a big fish in a small pond to even a contributor at the highest of high majors
Why anyone gets worked up about the transfer debate is more telling about their own character than anything.
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He dislikes a bunch of over paid players that don’t listen to the coach and mail it in because they have a guaranteed contract? I am shocked by this.
Too bad he didn’t talk to you before he took the job. You would have set him straight. LOL
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Jay Wright is competent enough to realize James Dolan is one of the worst owners in all of sports and the deck is stacked against him from day 1. No coach in their right mind would go to the Knicks as long as Dolan is around.
Do you think Phil Jackson (not a coach, but same principle) was "out of his mind"?
Do you think Mike D'Antoni was stupid?
You don't know much about human behavior, do you?
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It’s called the law of supply and demand. Does D1 college basketball really need 353 teams? Does D1 college football really need schools out of the P5, especially when the same few teams are always the winner?
Or, if they really cared about a free market, why don’t they reduce the number of scholarships available to spread the wealth and make sure all those other schools share in that DTV money? Or allow high school players to go right to the NBA? Or allow star players to get paid for their likenesses?
The answer: They are a cartel...and are trying control their haul. Did Northwestern football really need a $260 million football complex that’s ten times nicer than the Chicago Bears’ facilities?
This.
And speaking of Northwestern, how about Gary Barnett telling his players that "I bleed purple" and preaching loyalty mere hours before he bolted for Colorado? Lou Holtz sold his guys on GopherLand being the only place to be -- and he was still saying it even as he was trying on his effen leprechaun costume.
Yep, the only free agents are the coaches. With very few exceptions, they are all on one-year contracts even if they pretend to be on 10-year contracts.
Many coaches argue players shouldn't get paid even as they put sheets made out of $100 bills on their beds made out of gold. And many of those are the same ones who, like Barnett and Holtz and countless others, plead for loyalty from their players.
I wonder how many times KO, Crean and Buzz preached, "You have to want to be at Marquette," "Marquette is all that matters," etc, to their players? That, of course, didn't apply to them. Each was under contract ... but each was a total free agent who bolted whenever he felt like it.
And dem's da "rules," so I get it. Total free agency for coaches. Any coach really in demand, the new school will pay the buyout. Hell, Rick Barnes shocked everybody when he said he turned down the UCLA job because they wouldn't pay his buyout ... only to admit shortly thereafter that he had been lying. Of course UCLA would have paid the buyout.
But it's cool ... just don't be a hypocrite and complain about a player transferring to better his situation. Especially when the majority of transfers are kids who move down a level because they want more playing time. Absolutely ridiculous that Traci Carter had to sit out a year before he could play at LaSalle. Ridiculous.
There is zero evidence -- ZERO! -- that free agency wouldn't actually help the small and mid-sized schools like LaSalle way more than it would hurt them.
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Do you think Phil Jackson (not a coach, but same principle) was "out of his mind"?
Do you think Mike D'Antoni was stupid?
You don't know much about human behavior, do you?
The entire Knicks organization is toxic and the fact two successful NBA guys failed is reason enough for Wright to say not 100 times over if they ever come and ask.
Smart people don’t always make smart decisions so I’m not sure what you’re getting at..
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This.
And speaking of Northwestern, how about Gary Barnett telling his players that "I bleed purple" and preaching loyalty mere hours before he bolted for Colorado? Lou Holtz sold his guys on GopherLand being the only place to be -- and he was still saying it even as he was trying on his effen leprechaun costume.
Yep, the only free agents are the coaches. With very few exceptions, they are all on one-year contracts even if they pretend to be on 10-year contracts.
Many coaches argue players shouldn't get paid even as they put sheets made out of $100 bills on their beds made out of gold. And many of those are the same ones who, like Barnett and Holtz and countless others, plead for loyalty from their players.
I wonder how many times KO, Crean and Buzz preached, "You have to want to be at Marquette," "Marquette is all that matters," etc, to their players? That, of course, didn't apply to them. Each was under contract ... but each was a total free agent who bolted whenever he felt like it.
And dem's da "rules," so I get it. Total free agency for coaches. Any coach really in demand, the new school will pay the buyout. Hell, Rick Barnes shocked everybody when he said he turned down the UCLA job because they wouldn't pay his buyout ... only to admit shortly thereafter that he had been lying. Of course UCLA would have paid the buyout.
But it's cool ... just don't be a hypocrite and complain about a player transferring to better his situation. Especially when the majority of transfers are kids who move down a level because they want more playing time. Absolutely ridiculous that Traci Carter had to sit out a year before he could play at LaSalle. Ridiculous.
There is zero evidence -- ZERO! -- that free agency wouldn't actually help the small and mid-sized schools like LaSalle way more than it would hurt them.
Yep totally agree. I’ve never understood the argument that free agency would ruin the mid major ranks. If anything, the idea of immediate playing time may be more appealing for the 7-10th guy on a power 5 team who was over promised on playing time while being recruited.
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It's interesting to hear his style is outdated. I thought it would translate well to the NBA, but that shows you what I know about the differences between modern NBA and college offenses.
I meant style in the sense of how he relates to players. This article mentions veterans being upset he ran the team like a college program. Reminds me of Al’s comment that he had to coach somewhere he was paid more than the players, or else they wouldn’t listen to him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cavaliersnation.com/2020/02/17/report-john-beilein-unhappy-miserable-as-cavs-head-coach/amp/
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I meant style in the sense of how he relates to players. This article mentions veterans being upset he ran the team like a college program. Reminds me of Al’s comment that he had to coach somewhere he was paid more than the players, or else they wouldn’t listen to him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cavaliersnation.com/2020/02/17/report-john-beilein-unhappy-miserable-as-cavs-head-coach/amp/
It was an awful fit from the get go. Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens did it right. Find a place that can win and has a good culture. Oklahoma City lost its stars but have adapted pretty well
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So wait, you think programs like St. Louis, San Francisco, Bradley and Belmont are going to drop their programs because they lose a transfer or two?
Holy melodrama.
I've got some news for you ... fans of programs like those aren't fans because they think they're seeing a bunch of elite players on the court. They know who they are. They're fans because it's their school or alma mater or because it's the hometown team or because it's family tradition, etc.
That's the reason why they're fans today, and the reason they'll continue to be fans. It has virtually nothing to do with who's leading the scorer.
And the idea that teams are going to be "raided" annually is nonsense. The majority of mid- and low-major teams have no one on their rosters that the big programs want. Do you think Calipari is going to stop bringing in 3-4 McDonald's All Americans every year because he can get a guy who averaged 13 ppg at Austin Peay? Is Marquette going to start getting its players from UWGB and Northern Illinois?
As is the case today, the flow of players down will be much larger than the flow up.
Did I mention those programs in particular? Nope.
Do I think some programs will drop...yes. Hell, even fluffy admits that will happen. EVERY D1 program that drops means LESS opportunities for kids, most of them women and minorities.
You again aren't reading what I write, so I'll try again. It's a domino effect. Do I expect the Haves to raid Loyola Chicago or Evansville...no. Do I expect them to raid someone like Seton Hall, Marquette, Mississippi State, Arkansas or St. Mary's? Yes. Hey Markus, you just lost the Hauser brothers and everyone is picking you for middle of the pack...you can stay at MU or come play at Duke where you have a chance to win a title. Etc, etc. You're damn right I expect that to happen because it will happen. And then MU, SH, etc, etc will go lopping off kids from the next rung and away we go.
You essentially become a feeder system for whatever school is one piece away. Today it already happens to a degree with graduate transfers...but a much lesser degree. Allow this where anyone can leave whenever, all hell is going to break loose. Way easier to recruit a kid that produced for a year or two at good school in a good conference than taking a flier on them.
The flow of players down doesn't mean a hill of beans....of course that will happen. When players go down those aren't the type of players that leave programs in a lurch. Players going UP leave those teams struggling because of the talent loss, not the other way around. When a major league team sends a kid down to the minors it isn't a hit for the major league team...no difference here.
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It’s called the law of supply and demand. Does D1 college basketball really need 353 teams? Does D1 college football really need schools out of the P5, especially when the same few teams are always the winner?
Or, if they really cared about a free market, why don’t they reduce the number of scholarships available to spread the wealth and make sure all those other schools share in that DTV money? Or allow high school players to go right to the NBA? Or allow star players to get paid for their likenesses?
The answer: They are a cartel...and are trying control their haul. Did Northwestern football really need a $260 million football complex that’s ten times nicer than the Chicago Bears’ facilities?
I don't know if they do or do not....I only know what is current. And CURRENTLY scholarships come with those programs at that level, which means if they go away so do the opportunities that go with them.
I am fine with players going directly to the NBA and have argued so here a million times. DO IT. PLEASE GOD, DO IT. Let the college kids play college and those that think they are pros get paid in the pros. PLEASE...NBA get your CBA in order and DO IT!!!!
Northwestern can build a bingo parlor for all I care, that is their money as a private institution and can choose whatever the hell they wish to do with THEIR money.
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Yep totally agree. I’ve never understood the argument that free agency would ruin the mid major ranks. If anything, the idea of immediate playing time may be more appealing for the 7-10th guy on a power 5 team who was over promised on playing time while being recruited.
It's not just the mid majors....and yes, it impacts the MAJORS as well. If you're a really good player in a rebuild year on an average P6 school with at best a 50-50 shot to make postseason....why stay? Why not go to an upper echelon team? And that's where it all starts. Mid Majors will be hurt, low majors will cut their programs, but high major programs are going to get hit as well and people have their heads in the sand to think this won't happen.
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It's not just the mid majors....and yes, it impacts the MAJORS as well. If you're a really good player in a rebuild year on an average P6 school with at best a 50-50 shot to make postseason....why stay? Why not go to an upper echelon team? And that's where it all starts. Mid Majors will be hurt, low majors will cut their programs, but high major programs are going to get hit as well and people have their heads in the sand to think this won't happen.
Good
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After months of arguing that this is catastrophic for low and mid-majors Cheeks has now informed us that it's programs like Marquette and Seton Hall that will be the real victims.
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But love the crocodile tears for the athletes. I'm willing to wager the athletes support this change. If only they had Cheeks around to tell them a system that limits their options and punishes them for seeking better opportunities is totally in their best interests.
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It's not just the mid majors....and yes, it impacts the MAJORS as well. If you're a really good player in a rebuild year on an average P6 school with at best a 50-50 shot to make postseason....why stay? Why not go to an upper echelon team? And that's where it all starts. Mid Majors will be hurt, low majors will cut their programs, but high major programs are going to get hit as well and people have their heads in the sand to think this won't happen.
And people said free agency would be the death of professional sports...
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My read is that the players don’t like his style and it’s outdated. I believe the slugs/thugs issue maybe took this to the point of no return. It sounds like he lost the team. I’m not sure this is a Beilein volunteering to walk away scenario.
I was gonna say that even Boylan is a better NBA coach than Beilein, but some things just sound dumb when you say them out loud - whether they are true or not.
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Good
Yay 1%ers. Take away those scholarships and opportunities. Screw those minorities and women athletes. Outstanding.
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After months of arguing that this is catastrophic for low and mid-majors Cheeks has now informed us that it's programs like Marquette and Seton Hall that will be the real victims.
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But love the crocodile tears for the athletes. I'm willing to wager the athletes support this change. If only they had Cheeks around to tell them a system that limits their options and punishes them for seeking better opportunities is totally in their best interests.
Go back and read....that was always part of the argument....going to apologize when shown that is the case? Of course you won't.
Athletes support this....I'm sure the 1%ers will. Now, interview the athletes after their programs are dropped and their opportunities gone because of the consequences.....ahh, but who gives a crap about them....right Pakuni.
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Yay 1%ers. Take away those scholarships and opportunities. Screw those minorities and women athletes. Outstanding.
Welcome to America
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And people said free agency would be the death of professional sports...
Sigh, already destroyed Mikey's argument. Yes, in fact free agency was destroying pro sports. Guess what had to be done to fix it? SALARY CAPS as a response. Otherwise most of the best players were going to the HAVES, so they limited that movement. It allowed Green Bay to actually be a decent franchise again. It prevented the 49ers, Cowboys and a few others from monopolizing the talent. They also did things like franchise tagging, etc. Contracts also held players on to certain teams. Same goes for the NBA with changes made two CBAs ago, because teams couldn't keep their best players so they allowed for max contracts now for the home teams....why....because free agency was destroying the NBA and making it about 5 to 7 teams.
But Panda, you are so smart I'm sure you knew this.
Now, tell me how in college sports you are going to do this? You can't, which is why your statement is so utterly moronic.
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Sigh, already destroyed Mikey's argument. Yes, in fact free agency was destroying pro sports. Guess what had to be done to fix it? SALARY CAPS as a response. Otherwise most of the best players were going to the HAVES, so they limited that movement. It allowed Green Bay to actually be a decent franchise again. It prevented the 49ers, Cowboys and a few others from monopolizing the talent. They also did things like franchise tagging, etc. Contracts also held players on to certain teams. Same goes for the NBA with changes made two CBAs ago, because teams couldn't keep their best players so they allowed for max contracts now for the home teams....why....because free agency was destroying the NBA and making it about 5 to 7 teams.
But Panda, you are so smart I'm sure you knew this.
Now, tell me how in college sports you are going to do this? You can't, which is why your statement is so utterly moronic.
Student athletes don’t get paid so there’s no need for a salary cap.
Every school can only offer 13 scholarships.
Boom problem solved.
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And people said free agency would be the death of professional sports...
It won’t ruin college sports either.
College sports lust and greed is insatiable from the bottom to the top
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It won’t ruin college sports either.
College sports lust and greed is insatiable from the bottom to the top
Exactly. The idea the NCAA paid millions of dollars to lobbyists to make sure student athletes don’t get paid is hilariously bad.
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Athletes support this....I'm sure the 1%ers will. Now, interview the athletes after their programs are dropped and their opportunities gone because of the consequences.....ahh, but who gives a crap about them....right Pakuni.
Do you support an equal distribution of NCAA athletics revenues among all the member institutions so as to assure that students at small and medium size programs receive the same resources as those at major programs and to protect their opportunities?
I mean, since you care so very much about these athletes - especially the women and minorities ;) - surely you must see the injustice in SEC and Big 10 schools receiving in the neighborhood of $45 million a year via their conference affiliation, while programs like North Texas and Tulane must operate on a fraction of that.
Let's make this happen. Are you with me?
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Student athletes don’t get paid so there’s no need for a salary cap.
Every school can only offer 13 scholarships.
Boom problem solved.
My God, how you devalue our degree is incredible.
Uhm, sunshine, many of the upper echelon teams don't even use all 13 scholarships. Also part of the recruiting process will now be to slot in an existing player on another team instead of taking that fringe 3 / 4 star kid for one that has already proven capable. As one graduates so there will be plenty of room for the top teams to scoop up who they want.
Let's not forget losing one key player at a school like MU, Dayton, Seton Hall, Arizona State, etc, etc is all it takes in hoops to deal a huge blow to a program.
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Exactly. The idea the NCAA paid millions of dollars to lobbyists to make sure student athletes don’t get paid is hilariously bad.
About 200, probably more, schools have no business being in Division 1 college basketball yet here we are. Plenty of schools in lower levels fighting to get there. The idea they are all going to now give up because of a new transfer rule or a potential NLI is preposterous
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It won’t ruin college sports either.
College sports lust and greed is insatiable from the bottom to the top
It will significantly hurt a number of programs and change the landscape forever if it is done.
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It will significantly hurt a number of programs and change the landscape forever if it is done.
The landscape changes all the time. Welcome to America
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About 200, probably more, schools have no business being in Division 1 college basketball yet here we are. Plenty of schools in lower levels fighting to get there. The idea they are all going to now give up because of a new transfer rule or a potential NLI is preposterous
Dayton was ranked like 180th a few years ago, today they are 5th. Who are you to judge where that line is....by your definition only the top 150 schools should make it.
Who said they are ALL going to give up? It is preposterous because no one said it except you that all would. I certainly didn't.
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The landscape changes all the time. Welcome to America
So does climate...welcome to Earth (and Mars, Jupiter, Venus, etc, etc)
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My God, how you devalue our degree is incredible.
Uhm, sunshine, many of the upper echelon teams don't even use all 13 scholarships. Also part of the recruiting process will now be to slot in an existing player on another team instead of taking that fringe 3 / 4 star kid for one that has already proven capable. As one graduates so there will be plenty of room for the top teams to scoop up who they want.
Let's not forget losing one key player at a school like MU, Dayton, Seton Hall, Arizona State, etc, etc is all it takes in hoops to deal a huge blow to a program.
And the 3/4 star will go to a different school. It’s not like they just disappear into the abyss.
I can’t imagine what would happen to a program like Marquette if they hypothetically lost two players like the Hauser’s. Can you sunshine?
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Do you support an equal distribution of NCAA athletics revenues among all the member institutions so as to assure that students at small and medium size programs receive the same resources as those at major programs and to protect their opportunities?
I mean, since you care so very much about these athletes - especially the women and minorities ;) - surely you must see the injustice in SEC and Big 10 schools receiving in the neighborhood of $45 million a year via their conference affiliation, while programs like North Texas and Tulane must operate on a fraction of that.
Let's make this happen. Are you with me?
Athletes in ALL DI schools are provided with scholarships to attend that school as allowed by their sports. A student athlete at Prairie View A&M is getting their full scholarship on the basketball team the same way a student athlete at Duke is. Same deal....a free education in exchange for playing.
What you want to do is take away that opportunity entirely from Prairie View A&M and maybe 50 to another 100 schools....or listen to Rico or Mike or others...the hell with 200 of them...just purge them.
So tell me how the student athlete at Prairie View is getting screwed vs the one at Michigan? Each school gets to make the decision on the level of investment for athletics, just as they do on the level of investment for the biology program, or internet speed on campus, or the health center....but at the end of the day, they are all receiving a scholarship to play.
Nice try counselor, really piss poor argument.
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Dayton was ranked like 180th a few years ago, today they are 5th. Who are you to judge where that line is....by your definition only the top 150 schools should make it.
Who said they are ALL going to give up? It is preposterous because no one said it except you that all would. I certainly didn't.
Good for Dayton? I didn’t say anybody would give up. They can’t compete and yet here they all are.
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Let's not forget losing one key player at a school like MU, Dayton, Seton Hall, Arizona State, etc, etc is all it takes in hoops to deal a huge blow to a program.
It's true. Marquette basketball would have folded had Markus transferred last spring.
The great irony is that Marquette lost its second- and third-leading scorers to transfer after last season and today is humming along just fine ... and yet Chicos wants us all to believe that a losing a single key player would be a death knell to programs like Marquette.
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All of this happens already...
I can’t imagine what would happen to a program like Marquette if they hypothetically lost two players like the Hauser’s. Can you sunshine?
No it doesn't. The Hausers were an addition by subtraction, by the way. It absolutely doesn't happen already because kids have to sit out. You know how many kids could transfer that don't because they have to sit out and ultimately are glad they did? A ton of them. Because they are immature, can't handle adversity and want to run to the next thing at the first sign of not getting their way. All free agency does is allow that behavior of kicking the can down the road to never grow up and handle adversity...no wonder you love it.
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What you want to do is take away that opportunity entirely from Prairie View A&M and maybe 50 to another 100 schools....or listen to Rico or Mike or others...the hell with 200 of them...just purge them.
Nope. Never said this. Because I don't think this will happen. The "programs will disappear" is a Chicken Little narrative you and you alone are pushing to defend the system.
So tell me how the student athlete at Prairie View is getting screwed vs the one at Michigan?
You are a crazy person if you believe being an athlete at Michigan is the same as being an athlete at Prairie View.
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It's true. Marquette basketball would have folded had Markus transferred last spring.
The great irony is that Marquette lost its second- and third-leading scorers to transfer after last season and today is humming along just fine ... and yet Chicos wants us all to believe that a losing a single key player would be a death knell to programs like Marquette.
And some of us even back then said addition by subtraction.
Now say this is 1989 and Marquette is a crappy team, a guy named Tony Smith is on the team and he is wooed away from MU because he doesn't have to sit out. He leaves. As a result, MU's tailspin further worsens and they never recover because each time the new coach tries to bring in some good recruits they don't want to have to deal with long rebuilds and they leave.
Yah...this is going to be great for college basketball.....amazingly great.
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Nope. Never said this. Because I don't think this will happen. The "programs will disappear" is a Chicken Little narrative you and you alone are pushing to defend the system.
You are a crazy person if you believe being an athlete at Michigan is the same as being an athlete at Prairie View.
I didn't say they were....I said they both are D1 athletes receiving a free ride. You may not like that little factoid, but that is the case. Ms. Smith at Prairie View is getting an education that maybe she had no way of getting without that track or volleyball scholarship there. Sorry if I care about those kids. Michigan student athlete is getting their education as well. In the end, both received something of value they didn't have when they started, even if the educational levels are not the same....both BENEFITED from the arrangement.
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Since it got lost earlier in this thread, Dana O’Neill of The Athletic tweeted Jay Wright isn’t leaving Villanova for the Knicks and she’s pretty plugged into Villanova. On a side note, she’s also writing a book about the history of the Big East
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No it doesn't. The Hausers were an addition by subtraction, by the way. It absolutely doesn't happen already because kids have to sit out. You know how many kids could transfer that don't because they have to sit out and ultimately are glad they did? A ton of them. Because they are immature, can't handle adversity and want to run to the next thing at the first sign of not getting their way. All free agency does is allow that behavior of kicking the can down the road to never grow up and handle adversity...no wonder you love it.
But wait - You just said last post what a huge blow losing one key player could cause to a program. MU lost two. Why didn’t we crumble like you predicted?
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But wait - You just said last post what a huge blow losing one key player could cause to a program. MU lost two. Why didn’t we crumble like you predicted?
Not all players are equal....or are you going to make that argument that a body is a body is a body? If MU lost Markus last year, but kept the Hausers....MU would be a poorer team this year.
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Since it got lost earlier in this thread, Dana O’Neill of The Athletic tweeted Jay Wright isn’t leaving Villanova for the Knicks and she’s pretty plugged into Villanova. On a side note, she’s also writing a book about the history of the Big East
It didn't get lost, it was very clear.
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Not all players are equal....or are you going to make that argument that a body is a body is a body? If MU lost Markus last year, but kept the Hausers....MU would be a poorer team this year.
No Sunshine I won’t make that argument. But you did in your initial post and are now back tracking on it. Par for the course....
Programs, big and small have balanced themselves out with grad transfers, jucos and traditional transfers for years. This really won’t change anything, especially with how lax the NCAA is becoming in granting waivers for traditional transfers.
You dabble in doom and gloom hypotheticals but those are facts that have played out over the past few years.
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The purpose of 99% of mid and low majors is to be cannon fodder for the high majors and for one or two of them to make a run to the Sweet 16 every year (where they lose to a high major program) and one of them to make a run to the final four once about every decade (where they lose to a high major program). Despite this, only two programs have dropped from D1 to D2 in the past 15+ years and over a dozen have moved up to D1.
~98% of low and mid majors haven't made the tournament as at larges in this millennia. Despite this, programs keep getting added to D1 and all but 2 haven't moved down to D2.
Even if all the horror stories about every great mid and low major player getting poached comes true, have no fear. The mid and low majors will continue to suck like they always have. If the last 20 some years of irrelevance haven't driven them to drop from D1, I don't see why a few transfers will lead to that.
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Since I went to bed last night, Cheeks posted in this topic 15 times.
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Since I went to bed last night, Cheeks posted in this topic 15 times.
What happened to WhoaJoe? Did I miss that? Did Cheeks get tired of switching between accounts or did WhoaJoe just say everything he needed to say in 861 posts in 34 days and has now disappeared back into the ether?
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What happened to WhoaJoe? Did I miss that? Did Cheeks get tired of switching between accounts or did WhoaJoe just say everything he needed to say in 861 posts in 34 days and has now disappeared back into the ether?
Banned
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The purpose of 99% of mid and low majors is to be cannon fodder for the high majors and for one or two of them to make a run to the Sweet 16 every year (where they lose to a high major program) and one of them to make a run to the final four once about every decade (where they lose to a high major program). Despite this, only two programs have dropped from D1 to D2 in the past 15+ years and over a dozen have moved up to D1.
~98% of low and mid majors haven't made the tournament as at larges in this millennia. Despite this, programs keep getting added to D1 and all but 2 haven't moved down to D2.
Even if all the horror stories about every great mid and low major player getting poached comes true, have no fear. The mid and low majors will continue to suck like they always have. If the last 20 some years of irrelevance haven't driven them to drop from D1, I don't see why a few transfers will lead to that.
Yes. This is exactly right.
And let me also say that it's hard to take Cheeks seriously on the whole "loss of opportunity" with lost scholarships if teams do indeed more down a level. This is the same guy that goes on about the moral hazard of things like student loan forgiveness, which would provide a lot more opportunity than scholarships at a low major basketball school.
But I guess he's all for "opportunity" as long as it entertains him. Like a minstrel show.
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ACC joins Big 14 in supporting a one-time transfer exemption for student-athletes in all sports.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/28724972/acc-student-athletes-allowed-one-transfer-exemption
The league announced Monday that it "unanimously concluded" at its annual winter meetings that athletes in all sports should be allowed to transfer one time without having to sit out a year of competition. NCAA rules currently allow a one-time transfer exemption for athletes in all but five sports: football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball and men's ice hockey.
"The ACC discussed the transfer environment and unanimously concluded that as a matter of principle we support a one-time transfer opportunity for all student-athletes, regardless of sport," the ACC said in a statement Monday. "As a conference, we look forward to continuing the discussion nationally."
A Big Ten athletic director said the league hopes the moratorium soon will be lifted, and the proposal could be considered as early as this spring, with a potential vote at the 2021 NCAA convention.
That the NCAA has discriminated against athletes in those 5 sports is absurd.
The one-time exemption would seem to be a reasonable compromise to give the athletes the freedom that all scholarship athletes in every other sport, as well as every scholarship student who isn't an athlete, currently has.
It also would eliminate the completely random granting or not granting of waivers that takes place now. Izzo was right about that.
Eventually, even the one-year rule probably will go away, but at least it would be a start toward a policy that is fair to the athletes and not tilted 100% toward the power -- coaches, ADs and institutional bureaucrats.
I predict the obvious: This would not harm the high-majors one iota, and it actually would strengthen athletics at smaller and mid-sized schools.
Or we could scream from the rooftops that this will ruin college basketball and football -- just as Chicken Littles 50 years ago screamed about the doom that Title IX 50 would bring.
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But I guess he's all for "opportunity" as long as it entertains him. Like a minstrel show.
It's about protecting the existing power structure, maintaining the status quo and making sure that that the help understands its place. Always.
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The purpose of 99% of mid and low majors is to be cannon fodder for the high majors and for one or two of them to make a run to the Sweet 16 every year (where they lose to a high major program) and one of them to make a run to the final four once about every decade (where they lose to a high major program). Despite this, only two programs have dropped from D1 to D2 in the past 15+ years and over a dozen have moved up to D1.
~98% of low and mid majors haven't made the tournament as at larges in this millennia. Despite this, programs keep getting added to D1 and all but 2 haven't moved down to D2.
Even if all the horror stories about every great mid and low major player getting poached comes true, have no fear. The mid and low majors will continue to suck like they always have. If the last 20 some years of irrelevance haven't driven them to drop from D1, I don't see why a few transfers will lead to that.
Lol
The “purpose” of mid and low major teams is to be cannon fodder? TAMU I expect that silliness from others here, not you. Especially since you work in college athletics. That is not the purpose of those schools at all....if it were they would be independents and not play each other for the majority of their schedules. Come on.
Your explanation of schools dropping down is in a world where free agency doesn’t exist....so it is entirely immaterial because the condition we are talking about doesn’t exist today.
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What happened to WhoaJoe? Did I miss that? Did Cheeks get tired of switching between accounts or did WhoaJoe just say everything he needed to say in 861 posts in 34 days and has now disappeared back into the ether?
He isn’t me...proven...that’s what happened.
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Yes. This is exactly right.
And let me also say that it's hard to take Cheeks seriously on the whole "loss of opportunity" with lost scholarships if teams do indeed more down a level. This is the same guy that goes on about the moral hazard of things like student loan forgiveness, which would provide a lot more opportunity than scholarships at a low major basketball school.
But I guess he's all for "opportunity" as long as it entertains him. Like a minstrel show.
Oh my God....I cannot believe you made that argument....wait...I can believe it because it is so lame. Politics, but fine.
Student loan forgiveness....uhm the student accepted that loan to go to school...did not have to. It is their ethical and moral obligation to accept their debts and pay them back...that is how society works. If you teach people obligations of debts no longer matter we are screwed.
What that has to do with athletic opportunities being ripped away from kids because you want to help the 1% is beyond any functional human being.
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It's about protecting the existing power structure, maintaining the status quo and making sure that that the help understands its place. Always.
Ah yes....the class warfare card played by the same people here again....it’s what they do....just do it in a clever way....eh Chuck?
“The help”. Good one...amazing.
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Im sorry, but what does any of this have to do with the Subject of the Title of this thread??? Geez... Maybe its time to LOCK this or at least, throw it into the Superbar ! ! ! 8-)
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ACC joins Big 14 in supporting a one-time transfer exemption for student-athletes in all sports.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/28724972/acc-student-athletes-allowed-one-transfer-exemption
The league announced Monday that it "unanimously concluded" at its annual winter meetings that athletes in all sports should be allowed to transfer one time without having to sit out a year of competition. NCAA rules currently allow a one-time transfer exemption for athletes in all but five sports: football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball and men's ice hockey.
"The ACC discussed the transfer environment and unanimously concluded that as a matter of principle we support a one-time transfer opportunity for all student-athletes, regardless of sport," the ACC said in a statement Monday. "As a conference, we look forward to continuing the discussion nationally."
A Big Ten athletic director said the league hopes the moratorium soon will be lifted, and the proposal could be considered as early as this spring, with a potential vote at the 2021 NCAA convention.
That the NCAA has discriminated against athletes in those 5 sports is absurd.
The one-time exemption would seem to be a reasonable compromise to give the athletes the freedom that all scholarship athletes in every other sport, as well as every scholarship student who isn't an athlete, currently has.
It also would eliminate the completely random granting or not granting of waivers that takes place now. Izzo was right about that.
Eventually, even the one-year rule probably will go away, but at least it would be a start toward a policy that is fair to the athletes and not tilted 100% toward the power -- coaches, ADs and institutional bureaucrats.
I predict the obvious: This would not harm the high-majors one iota, and it actually would strengthen athletics at smaller and mid-sized schools.
Or we could scream from the rooftops that this will ruin college basketball and football -- just as Chicken Littles 50 years ago screamed about the doom that Title IX 50 would bring.
Title IX brought great opportunities for many, it also ruined for many....get educated. There was plenty of collateral damage with programs cut across the country. To suggest that it didn’t harm some people would be foolish and uneducated.
I’m glad you said high majors because I think even you know what I have been saying is true, though you despise admitting it, mid and lower majors will not benefit from these rule changes...they simply cannot because there is nowhere for them to go. I think you are wrong about high majors...there will be plenty of schools hurt there, too.
Notice the conferences wanting to do this....THE HAVES. It’s just part of the “power structure” trying to keep their power in place because they know it will damage the others. This establishes a farm system within Division 1 to help them scoop up players lower schools develop.
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About the transfer rule the ACC and BiG Ten support....from an SI article today...hmm...EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
”What is being pushed for is a new rule that would allow players to transfer once without penalty. The ACC now joins the Big Ten in support of a one-time transfer rule. Notre Dame is an ACC member in every sport except for football.
While the leagues are stating this in a way that comes across as player-friendly, I contend it is a rule that would benefits the coaches and teams far more than players, and that's ultimately what this is about.
This transfer rule opens up a new talent-pool for teams to tap into. The best teams can now poach players from inferior teams in their league, and those teams could then start raiding other programs, including Group of Six programs.
This would also make it easier for teams to nudge players out of their programs in an attempt to open up scholarships for incoming recruits. While being masked as a rule that will allow players who were lied to, or players that are buried on the depth chart to find new opportunities, it will go far, far beyond that, and smart coaches and administrators know this.”
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About the transfer rule the ACC and BiG Ten support....from an SI article today...hmm...EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
”What is being pushed for is a new rule that would allow players to transfer once without penalty. The ACC now joins the Big Ten in support of a one-time transfer rule. Notre Dame is an ACC member in every sport except for football.
While the leagues are stating this in a way that comes across as player-friendly, I contend it is a rule that would benefits the coaches and teams far more than players, and that's ultimately what this is about.
This transfer rule opens up a new talent-pool for teams to tap into. The best teams can now poach players from inferior teams in their league, and those teams could then start raiding other programs, including Group of Six programs.
This would also make it easier for teams to nudge players out of their programs in an attempt to open up scholarships for incoming recruits. While being masked as a rule that will allow players who were lied to, or players that are buried on the depth chart to find new opportunities, it will go far, far beyond that, and smart coaches and administrators know this.”
Toughen up, buttercup. Be better. If your program stinks and is losing players to better programs, make your program better.
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About the transfer rule the ACC and BiG Ten support....from an SI article today...hmm...EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
Please note, this is not a Sports Illustrated article, but rather the "Irish Breakdown" Notre Dame blog.
Though it's fun to see Scoop's resident anti-media crusader cite the authority of the media every time it suits his interests.
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Did a kid change schools from across town and steal your lunch money when you were 10? Why do you feel so strongly about this issue that it merits dozens of posts on a thread that is, ostensibly, about whether Jay Wright might leave Nova to coach the Knicks?
For that matter, do you ever reflect on how much time and energy you pour into a message board that--how to put this mildly--disproportionately does not seem to appreciate your contributions?
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In simplest terms, let it happen if it starts to. Cause Armageddon Then the NCAA which is member institutions will. Adopt a different rule
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So if my calculations are correct Chicos has now ruined 100% of the threads on this board. My plea to the moderators is to ban this narcissistic sociopath, it would make the board immensely more enjoyable for, i believe, everyone else.
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So if my calculations are correct Chicos has now ruined 100% of the threads on this board. My plea to the moderators is to ban this narcissistic sociopath, it would make the board immensely more enjoyable for, i believe, everyone else.
Ranked thread, recruiting, and MU in the NBA threads are still solid.
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Ranked thread, recruiting, and MU in the NBA threads are still solid.
ssshhhhhh
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Oh my God....I cannot believe you made that argument....wait...I can believe it because it is so lame. Politics, but fine.
Student loan forgiveness....uhm the student accepted that loan to go to school...did not have to. It is their ethical and moral obligation to accept their debts and pay them back...that is how society works. If you teach people obligations of debts no longer matter we are screwed.
What that has to do with athletic opportunities being ripped away from kids because you want to help the 1% is beyond any functional human being.
Just exposing your ever present hypocrisy. But at this point, that's pretty easy for everyone to see.
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Meds?
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Toughen up, buttercup. Be better. If your program stinks and is losing players to better programs, make your program better.
Every school goes through cycles, some more than others. This is exactly why the HAVES will benefit in this arrangement and will lead to tampering, more cheating, etc because the work you do to land a kid at your school goes for naught.
You think coaches have favorites now, wait until this goes into effect and these pampered AAU kids don’t get the exact minutes they want, etc....going to be great. Creating a society of kids that don’t get their way, just keep on moving on to the next place. Wonderful. Going to do wonders for a kinder more patient society I am sure.
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Please note, this is not a Sports Illustrated article, but rather the "Irish Breakdown" Notre Dame blog.
Though it's fun to see Scoop's resident anti-media crusader cite the authority of the media every time it suits his interests.
Please note it is from a Sports Illustrated owned and operated website and has SI as the holder of the rights. You can pretend all you wish to ignore that.
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Did a kid change schools from across town and steal your lunch money when you were 10? Why do you feel so strongly about this issue that it merits dozens of posts on a thread that is, ostensibly, about whether Jay Wright might leave Nova to coach the Knicks?
For that matter, do you ever reflect on how much time and energy you pour into a message board that--how to put this mildly--disproportionately does not seem to appreciate your contributions?
Put me on ignore...real simple
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Just exposing your ever present hypocrisy. But at this point, that's pretty easy for everyone to see.
Ironic as you care about the 1% haves here and the harm this will do you minorities and women athletes...your hypocrisy in spades well known to those that see you post on this and other subjects daily.
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Ironic as you care about the 1% haves here and the harm this will do you minorities and women athletes...your hypocrisy in spades well known to those that see you post on this and other subjects daily.
You have zero proof it’ll harm minorities or women. Zero
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These seem appropriate...
Chicos:
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Everyone else:
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