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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on February 16, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
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Going to be a tough one Tuesday. They are a bad matchup for us. Really big game for both teams.
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Going to be a tough one Tuesday. They are a bad matchup for us. Really big game for both teams.
Agree they are a bad matchup. Worst matchup for us in the league, IMO. I think we squeak out a close one.
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Bailey and McEwen have to start making shots with more consistency.
The last couple of games, I feel we were playing on tired legs. Hopefully
this break helps us. Creighton will be tough. Hope Markus shows up
with his "A" game.
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Bailey and McEwen have to start making shots with more consistency.
The last couple of games, I feel we were playing on tired legs. Hopefully
this break helps us. Creighton will be tough. Hope Markus shows up
with his "A" game.
We had like 8 days off for Butler lol
And then 2 off for Nova which is pretty standard.
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Big games like these are a crapshoot. Can’t be expected to win them.
I see the biggest games as:
@Creighton
@Hall
@Nova
Providence
Creighton
Hard to win crapshoot games.
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They have the 4th most efficient offense per pomeroy.
Last 3 games they have been hot.....game before that they weren’t.....hope our offense is on because unless they just miss shots I don’t see MU holding them below 80.
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MU had won 6 of 7 going into Nova last week. Nova had lost 3 straight. The home team won that one. I'm looking for the home team to win Tuesday.
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Big games like these are a crapshoot. Can’t be expected to win them.
I see the biggest games as:
@Creighton
@Hall
@Nova
Providence
Creighton
Hard to win crapshoot games.
Fake News.
Crapshoot games are when you are told on a Sunday here is who you play 2 days later, or 4 / 5 days later...could be the first time you have ever played that team in your history, or the first time in 10 years or more. These are not Crapshoot games in any way, sense or shape.
We know their style, they know our style...which is why conference games are so tough.
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Fake News.
Crapshoot games are when you are told on a Sunday here is who you play 2 days later, or 4 / 5 days later...could be the first time you have ever played that team in your history, or the first time in 10 years or more. These are not Crapshoot games in any way, sense or shape.
We know their style, they know our style...which is why conference games are so tough.
Looks like you missed the sarcasm.
Also, thank you for de-bunking your silly crapshoot defense. Both teams facing each other are subject to that same reality you state above. It isn't "easier" for one team versus the other. Sure, there can be match ups that are better than others, but its incumbent on the coach to figure out how to offset the bad matchup - particularly as the higher regarded/seeded team.
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MU had won 6 of 7 going into Nova last week. Nova had lost 3 straight. The home team won that one. I'm looking for the home team to win Tuesday.
This.
Creighton is no hotter than MU was 5 days ago. And given that we had dominated Nova back in early January, we were obviously a "bad matchup" for them.
So I'm surprised Nova even bothered showing up for their home game against us with all that working against them.
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Agree they are a bad matchup. Worst matchup for us in the league, IMO. I think we squeak out a close one.
I agree, terrible matchup. I don’t expect a win. I will be pleasantly surprised if we do based on how well Creighton is playing. Would be a nice feather in our cap.
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Looks like you missed the sarcasm.
Also, thank you for de-bunking your silly crapshoot defense. Both teams facing each other are subject to that same reality you state above. It isn't "easier" for one team versus the other. Sure, there can be match ups that are better than others, but its incumbent on the coach to figure out how to offset the bad matchup - particularly as the higher regarded/seeded team.
Oh I got his sarcasm loud and clear. And the reason why both teams face the same reality is EXACTLY why so many call it a crapshoot. But the question Ners is whether I take your word for it...the guy who things Dawson was a great player or people like Coach K, Coach Bennett, Coach Izzo, Coach Wright, etc....Sorry...I'm going with them, not you.
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Big games like these are a crapshoot. Can’t be expected to win them.
I see the biggest games as:
@Creighton
@Hall
@Nova
Providence
Creighton
Hard to win crapshoot games.
Home vs Providence?
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This.
Creighton is no hotter than MU was 5 days ago. And given that we had dominated Nova back in early January, we were obviously a "bad matchup" for them.
So I'm surprised Nova even bothered showing up for their home game against us with all that working against them.
Disagree. In Creighton's last 8 games they have beaten Seton Hall and Villanova on the road....two teams we lost to on the road. They smoked us at their place. They also beat Providence at home, something we failed to do.
Our "hot streak" was beating a reeling Butler team, Georgetown, DePaul (we struggled) and St. John's.
Not all streaks are the same. Creighton is a better team than we are and hotter than we were even five days ago. They are the real deal and it will take a monumental effort to beat them.
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I agree, terrible matchup. I don’t expect a win. I will be pleasantly surprised if we do based on how well Creighton is playing. Would be a nice feather in our cap.
I expect a loss as well. They are the better team via the EYE TEST (Guru) and in the data. The one huge thing we have going for us is the game is at home. Is it enough?
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Going to be a tough one Tuesday. They are a bad matchup for us. Really big game for both teams.
I hate this matchup. Was hoping we stole one at Nova to ease my brain
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I expect a loss as well. They are the better team via the EYE TEST (Guru) and in the data. The one huge thing we have going for us is the game is at home. Is it enough?
Yep hopefully some home court advantage with the fans going nuts and favorable refereeing. We also need to start out on fire. I don’t want a scenario where Creighton can’t hit anything and we are only up by two after ten minutes or worse, they are hitting everything and we can’t hit the ocean and Creighton leads by 15 at half.
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The coaching staff did a great job preparing the team to play after the long break last time. Hoping we see more of the same this time around. I'm not really buying the "bad matchup" though as it pertains specifically to MU. I think they are just the best team in the league. Usually those are the tougher teams to match up with anyways.
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About 4 weeks ago I said to myself that Butler was playing well beyond their season long means, it was right.
A few weeks ago I said the same about SH and I think that was accurate too.
I believe Creighton has done the same in the last several weeks. Marquette puts that team back in its place on Tuesday night with a win similar to what we saw versus Butler at home.
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Only safe bet in a Marquette-Creighton matchup is the over
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Vegas says if we score more points than them, we have a shot at winning this one.
Plus, I’m sitting next to Benny. That’s like triple, double, extra karma.
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Is this game a sellout? The crowd can really make a difference.
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No.......not even close. Full rows left everywhere.
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I knew Creighton was solid but had no idea they were the reincarnation of the 1976 Indiana Hoosiers until I read this thread. Maybe we’ll catch them looking ahead to the National Championship game they’re on course to reach.
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I knew Creighton was solid but had no idea they were the reincarnation of the 1976 Indiana Hoosiers until I read this thread. Maybe we’ll catch them looking ahead to the National Championship game they’re on course to reach.
They definitely aren't there, but over the past month they grade out as the 5th best team in the country on Torvik. That stretch includes 3 road wins, including beating Villanova and Seton Hall. My expectation is a high-scoring affair that gets into the 80s or 90s. I do think this is the toughest game left on the schedule.
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They definitely aren't there, but over the past month they grade out as the 5th best team in the country on Torvik. That stretch includes 3 road wins, including beating Villanova and Seton Hall. My expectation is a high-scoring affair that gets into the 80s or 90s. I do think this is the toughest game left on the schedule.
Very good offensive team, mediocre at best defensive team
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I knew Creighton was solid but had no idea they were the reincarnation of the 1976 Indiana Hoosiers until I read this thread. Maybe we’ll catch them looking ahead to the National Championship game they’re on course to reach.
Point taken. If MU is good (like we all want them to be good) we should have no major concerns about this game. However, Creighton does look like the team that is playing better at this time and the jury is still out on whether MU can take it to the next level. Let’s get the win tomorrow and try to be on the other side of the bracket from them in the Big East tournament for match up reasons (not because they are 1976 Indiana).
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Ripe for the picking. No excuses.
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I knew Creighton was solid but had no idea they were the reincarnation of the 1976 Indiana Hoosiers until I read this thread. Maybe we’ll catch them looking ahead to the National Championship game they’re on course to reach.
I chuckled.
It seems Scoop is about evenly divided between "Creighton is too good for us and we have little chance to win" and "It's at home. If we lose, Wojo sucks and so does the team he's built."
I guess I'm among the few outliers saying, "Tough game between two top-20 teams that, combined, have lost only 3 of their last 16 games. I think we'll find a way to win a close one."
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I knew Creighton was solid but had no idea they were the reincarnation of the 1976 Indiana Hoosiers until I read this thread. Maybe we’ll catch them looking ahead to the National Championship game they’re on course to reach.
Said no one.....but they are rated 9th at the moment by one service and MU isn’t the ‘76 version either.
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Would like to see some Bailey & Cain lineups in this one.
Denzel Mahoney getting back after sitting out the first semester has been huge for this run they're on. He reminds me a bit of Deonte Burton, bruising & thick but very athletic and great touch around the rim.
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They were too passive, too reactive in Omaha. Really hope to see a different mindset at home.
Should be a really entertaining game. I think MU wins a tight one.
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Wonder if the eye test says we should win this one.
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Creighton is the #4 KPom offense, MU #16. Should be a dandy.
The Blue Jays pulverized MU to start conference play, getting Koby in early foul trouble and then posting Markus up all game. Greg is back. Sy has had some run.
Last meeting, only Bailey showed up. I hope the team, coaches included, are looking to make amends. I am betting all the Warriors show up this time. Gut check time.
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Should be a great game. Both teams playing very well. KenPom has us favored by 3. Creighton has been exceeding his game score projections of late - I've won 5 of last 6 Creighton games, betting on them.
Would like to forecast a win on home court, but this is a toss up. Or, shall we say, a crap shoot? I can accept a loss here, but if CU were to win by 10+ - that would be very disappointing.
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For those of you that think/say MU has to make up for the PC loss at home(even though you can't really make that up)...tomorrow night would be as close as you can get to that. Even though...MU is at home...and...
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Would like to see some Bailey & Cain lineups in this one.
Denzel Mahoney getting back after sitting out the first semester has been huge for this run they're on. He reminds me a bit of Deonte Burton, bruising & thick but very athletic and great touch around the rim.
Creighton is a fairly small team. Outside of Jones playing about 10 minutes a game, Bishop, at 6-7, is the only regular in the lineup that is taller than 6-5.
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Creighton is a fairly small team. Outside of Jones playing about 10 minutes a game, Bishop, at 6-7, is the only regular in the lineup that is taller than 6-5.
That's why I would like to see the Cain/Bailey lineup at the 4&5. IMO as good as he's been Jayce has been exposed by smaller/stretch 5s on defense. Getting Jayce spread out to the 3pt line or elbow seemed to be Novas gameplan, especially in the first half. I think we could still maintain a rebounding advantage over Creighton with Cain and Bailey without having that defensive liability on D.
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That's why I would like to see the Cain/Bailey lineup at the 4&5. IMO as good as he's been Jayce has been exposed by smaller/stretch 5s on defense. Getting Jayce spread out to the 3pt line or elbow seemed to be Novas gameplan, especially in the first half. I think we could still maintain a rebounding advantage over Creighton with Cain and Bailey without having that defensive liability on D.
I think Jayce can play except when Creighton goes extra small with Mahoney at the 5. MU's guards did a nice job at Nova in the 2nd half fighting over screens while Theo/Jayce dropped into the paint a bit. It forced Nova's guards into pullup 3s or long 2s.
Hoping for a similar proactive defensive gameplan. Can't hard hedge or help off too much against Creighton since they spread you out so much.
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That's why I would like to see the Cain/Bailey lineup at the 4&5. IMO as good as he's been Jayce has been exposed by smaller/stretch 5s on defense. Getting Jayce spread out to the 3pt line or elbow seemed to be Novas gameplan, especially in the first half. I think we could still maintain a rebounding advantage over Creighton with Cain and Bailey without having that defensive liability on D.
Jayce unlikely to be effective in this game
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Excuses already coming out. Tough matchup? Why isnt MU a tough matchup for them.
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Excuses already coming out. Tough matchup? Why isnt MU a tough matchup for them.
Because we're the ones with the slow lumbering center while they play 5 out.
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Jayce unlikely to be effective in this game
I'm being lazy here and not looking it up, but we have Jayce for the first meeting? If so, I think he was still limping along. Understand what you are saying, but without him going against them the first time, we'll probably see a good amount of Jayce.
Unless they are running a big that can shoot the three, he could get some great time.
Of course, I've been wrong before!
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Excuses already coming out. Tough matchup? Why isnt MU a tough matchup for them.
You’re the walking Price is Right losing horn
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Creighton is only 5-5 on the road this year. They lost by 17 at Providence (just 12 days ago), by 14 at Butler, by 10 at Michigan, by 3 at Georgetown, and by 31 at San Diego State.
I ain't 'fraid o' no Bluejays. Not at our place.
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I'm being lazy here and not looking it up, but we have Jayce for the first meeting? If so, I think he was still limping along. Understand what you are saying, but without him going against them the first time, we'll probably see a good amount of Jayce.
Unless they are running a big that can shoot the three, he could get some great time.
Of course, I've been wrong before!
Jayce played 4 minutes in the first game. Theo played only 8, Ed 19.
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Jayce played 4 minutes in the first game. Theo played only 8, Ed 19.
Thx! I think if our crowd shows up rowdy, MU plays some stiff defense, it's a big night for Marquette. I think Jayce was just still on the sore side of things when we played before. Lower score is a win for MU and a high score is a crapshoot.
Should be a fun game to watch!
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Excuses already coming out. Tough matchup? Why isnt MU a tough matchup for them.
Because that's not how that works at all?
MU is a tougher matchup for other teams in conference. Georgetown comes to mind immediately. Xavier.
In the top half I'd say we match up well with Nova and Butler. Not quite as much of an advantage against Nova without Ed.
I think we matchup with Providence and SHU way better now with Jayce healthier and Ed gone.
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I chuckled.
It seems Scoop is about evenly divided between "Creighton is too good for us and we have little chance to win" and "It's at home. If we lose, Wojo sucks and so does the team he's built."
I guess I'm among the few outliers saying, "Tough game between two top-20 teams that, combined, have lost only 3 of their last 16 games. I think we'll find a way to win a close one."
There you go with all those facts and logic. Very much frowned upon.
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I see three approaches to winning this game.
1. Conform to Creighton and go small and long. Sit Theo/Jayce and run a lineup with three guards, Cain, and Bailey. This may be the only approach that has a chance of slowing Creighton's offense down but it requires that players besides Markus step up offensively. Wojo uses the bigs to give Markus space to create and I don't think Bailey/Cain will have the same space clearing ability. For us to score it will require crisp ball movement and the Kobys, Sacars, Gregs, Jamals, and Baileys to take and make the open shot.
2. Make Creighton pay for going small. Unfortunately, our forwards are not bruisers and our bigs are offensively challenged. So if we are going to take this approach, we need to be aggressive on the offensive glass and get second chance points while limiting them to one attempt on the other end, cause they won't miss often. In addition, I would try to attack Christian Bishop right away. If we can get him in foul trouble and force them to play Kelvin Jones for big minutes, that will slow down their offense. They have a completely different offensive identity when he is in the game. Mahoney will play spot minutes at the 5 if Bishop is in foul trouble but McDremott doesn't roll out that look for many minutes a game.
3. Play zone and hope they have an off shooting night. This is a huge risk but may be worth it if things aren't working. If we play the bigs and allow the Jays to pull them to the perimeter like they did in the first game, our goose will be cooked.
Typically, I don't like letting the opponent decide the type of game this is going to be. I'd rather bend them to our will and make them adjust to us then start the game by adjusting to them and letting them dictate our style of play. That being said, we simply don't have the players to punish them for going small. The games against Creighton last year drove me crazy because the Hausers should have been able to abuse them inside the arc but we settled for a three point shooting competition in both games. I'd like to see Bailey/Cain and Johnson/John have big offensive games because they will have the advantage but I'm not sure if it is in them or not.
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The game is going to be decided by which team shoots better from three.
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Big, if true.
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Biggest game of the year - I’m nervous
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If Creighton is truly the Big East Messiah and makes it all the way
to the NCAA Finals, will Kevin Ross come to the game?
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Just looked at Ticketmaster and there are a lot of seats left for tonight. Hopefully the ones that show up are loud.
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Just looked at Ticketmaster and there are a lot of seats left for tonight. Hopefully the ones that show up are loud.
Jeez. Whole sections available upstairs.
I know it's a Tuesday night, but two top 20 teams should be a bigger draw than this.
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Jeez. Whole sections available upstairs.
I know it's a Tuesday night, but two top 20 teams should be a bigger draw than this.
Wojo gets booed early in conference home games and sees empty sections late in conference home games.
Hmmmmm.
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Wojo gets booed early in conference home games and sees empty sections late in conference home games.
Hmmmmm.
Fire him!
Looks like Mrs. Shaka might be available.
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Jeez. Whole sections available upstairs.
I know it's a Tuesday night, but two top 20 teams should be a bigger draw than this.
Weeknight games has always been a struggle for walk up sales.
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Several of the Underboard will be in attendance tonight. Count on it being LOUD.
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Several of the Underboard will be in attendance tonight. Count on it being LOUD.
I heard it is the reunion of the 1983 Streaking Team tonight, true?
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Several bourbon barrel aged stouts at Good City pregame, and who knows what you might see tonight. 8-)
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I expect a full house tonight. The crowd has been outstanding the last two home games. Should be a fun, loud environment.
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This game is a test of Wojo's flexibility.
If Theo + Jayce play more than 20 minutes, MU probably loses.
If they play less, MU probably wins.
Any lineup (from the normal rotation players of course) without those 2 is better than any 5 Creighton can put out. More athletic, better defensively, strong rebounding and 5 guys who can shoot.
... but can he do it???
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I expect a full house tonight. The crowd has been outstanding the last two home games. Should be a fun, loud environment.
If you mean a full house as a sell out, that is not going to happen. We need folks who have a ticket to show up. Same for the students.
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Several bourbon barrel aged stouts at Good City pregame, and who knows what you might see tonight. 8-)
Not again, Chili. It's not Comic-Con Night. Leave the costume at home, for all our sakes.
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I expect a full house tonight. The crowd has been outstanding the last two home games. Should be a fun, loud environment.
Based on availability, I'm guessing around 13,000, with the upper-deck less than half full, and all the tarps stay in place in the student section. It's too bad for such a big game.
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Based on availability, I'm guessing around 13,000, with the upper-deck less than half full, and all the tarps stay in place in the student section. It's too bad for such a big game.
Weeknight games with SjU and PC had crowds of 13,015 and 14,414, respectively. Somewhere in that range.
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Weeknight games with SjU and PC had crowds of 13,015 and 14,414, respectively. Somewhere in that range.
That is a safe bet.
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Marquette, SJU and Providence weren't ranked for those games. Think we'll get a bigger crowd tonight.
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MU -3.5
gotta be the difference, eh eh eh...wait for it...ner
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The eye test and the data says the same the same thing....Creighton is a better team than we are. Pretty simple.
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The eye test and the data says the same the same thing....Creighton is a better team than we are. Pretty simple.
The eye test and the data from the first half say Creighton sucks and we’re worse.
Game not over, though. But go ahead and give up if you want.
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The eye test and the data from the first half say Creighton sucks and we’re worse.
Game not over, though. But go ahead and give up if you want.
Who gave up? We can still win, but they are a better team than we are. Every service says so and so does the eye test. But yes, we can still win this game.
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Who gave up? We can still win, but they are a better team than we are. Every service says so and so does the eye test. But yes, we can still win this game.
The eye test says we had an efg% of 35% in the first half. IOW, awful. Their’s was 45%, only bad. Hence a 10 point lead.
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Why is Bailey un again? Was it tower who said he plays good D? He continues to get blown by
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Just a better team than us this year. I feared this game coming in because the matchup is so bad for us. Matchups matter.
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Just a better team than us this year. I feared this game coming in because the matchup is so bad for us. Matchups matter.
A really good team. I could see them doing serious damage this March
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I mean we played like dogshiit. Plenty of opportunities to take control but couldn’t stop turning it over. No excuses.
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I mean we played like dogshiit. Plenty of opportunities to take control but couldn’t stop turning it over. No excuses.
They made us play like that....twice. Just as they did at Seton Hall and Villanova the last two weeks.
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They made us play like that....twice. Just as they did at Seton Hall and Villanova the last two weeks.
They didn’t make us miss open shots. They didn’t make us lack hustle to loose balls. They didn’t make us commit multiple sloppy turnovers late. Nope. Played like shiit. It’s not even up for debate. We were bad.
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They didn’t make us miss open shots. They didn’t make us lack hustle to loose balls. They didn’t make us commit multiple sloppy turnovers late. Nope. Played like shiit. It’s not even up for debate. We were bad.
Yup, they did nothing to influence our play..... lol
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Weeknight games with SjU and PC had crowds of 13,015 and 14,414, respectively. Somewhere in that range.
14,329
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A really good team. I could see them doing serious damage this March
I do not think any Big East team will win more than 2 games in NCAA. The only coach that can is Jay Wright and Villanova is not good enough to win more than one game.
It seems like MU, Seton Hall and Providence always lose in first round.
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Yup, they did nothing to influence our play..... lol
Yup, we played really well but they’re just better.... lol
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Why is Bailey un again? Was it tower who said he plays good D? He continues to get blown by
I did and he does. What does 'un' mean alone in the middle of a sentence?
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Bupkis outta da bench. Talent mattas, aina?
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Yup, we played really well but they’re just better.... lol
In a weird coincidence Seton Hall and Villanova lost at home recently to Creighton and “ played like sh!t”...amazing how lucky Creighton gets when these teams play poorly when Creighton comes to town...I’m sure the Jays have nothing to do with it.
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I did and he does. What does 'un' mean alone in the middle of a sentence?
As long as Bailey doesn't have to move side to side. He has the lateral agility of a giraffe.
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I did and he does. What does 'un' mean alone in the middle of a sentence?
By deduction I’m thinking “un” = in.
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Bupkis outta da bench. Talent mattas, aina?
Bench has been suspect most of the season.